The Genetic Flaw Of The Alpha Legion - 40K Theories

The Gene-Seed of the Alpha Legion is said to produce a variety of mutations within the legion’s warriors. But are such mutations truly a flaw within their genetic stock, or could such ‘flaws’ have been deliberately engineered?
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[@dilophosaurussk4333]

Everyone thinks the Alpha Legion has this great master plan, where only they know what they will do next, when in actuality, its their genetic flaw: They forget what they were doing every few hours, which often results in them coming up with a new plan in the midst of the previous one being executed.

[@winterschwartz9522]

This comment deserves more love. Fantastic.

[@silentmind34]

O.M.G

[@UnknownOrc]

This sounds too legit and logical! But then why Emperor kept these walking short term memory loss idiots? Or I guess their genetic flaw is more psychological then physical, like identity crisis or multiple personality syndrome. I will go with Astartes level Steroid fuelled Multiple Personality Syndrome!

[@redsalamander9999]

That would be a plot twist

[@tharealverminsupreme135]

I think that likely some of them do have master plans. They just think that only they have it or that everyone else in the XX knows it. Nothing can be sure.

[@plasmancer6104]

I remember a theory somewhere that talked about the twin primarchs, and a flaw (?) in their gene seed meant that if Alpha or Omega died, the psychic backlash would trigger a mutation to occur in a random Alpha legion marine, growing them up into a replacement. Taking the "cut the head off a hydra and another grows" a bit literally but I like it

[@golem4892]

Sounds implausible, and I don't really think it's true. but I really like the theory. Makes sense.

[@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968]

?!!? That’s awesome! I like it better then some of the primarchs being unkillable

[@VVopal]

@@golem4892 there was a theory that the primarchs were created from warp denizens hence why they have super souls. Its not too implausible to have this exact thing happen, we know Lucius does something similar.

[@girthquake0]

​@@golem4892 yet a chaos space marine can literally just morph out of whoever killed him

[@brightboar4421]

"The Alpha Legion is a traitor space marine legion" But are they though?

[@metalheadsrb2214]

Alpha legion sus

[@IsAcRafT]

@@metalheadsrb2214 Alpha Legion always sus Brother

[@josephmoffatt4696]

Hydra Dominatus 🤫

[@TinyGobos]

@@IsAcRafT Alpha legion never sus Brother, Hydra Dominatus

[@supremetarantulasorcerer165]

Nah,alpharuis was just a moron and now Omegon has to clean up the mess by using the forces of chaos to help the imperium

[@outis7080]

Their gene-seed mutation is thinking they are their primarch, like the Black Rage but with less angst. Gives a whole new meaning to their war cry, "I am Alpharius".

[@jonathantheslow]

This is a super interesting theory that is now my headcanon

[@ZeroNumerous]

This makes a lot of sense, actually. The Black Rage is a psychic imprint left on the Blood Angels by Sanguinius' death. Alpharius was also killed, whether by Guilliman or Dorn, so his legion may have suffered a sudden and intense psychic backwash that turns them into 'Alpharius'. But the presence of Omegon prevents them from completely falling into insanity.

[@joelcraig9803]

Once you realize that every one IS Alpharius, Theyve won.

[@dethmedic52]

WE ARE ALPHARIUS

[@joelcraig9803]

@@dethmedic52 We are Alpharius. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

[@johnnyscifi]

I lean more towards the Emperor's personal assassin, and in general, "deals done in the dark", kept hidden from prying eyes, story

[@cosuinofdeath]

Spy not assassin no you’re I was thinking of raven boy

[@Alva_Lombax]

I belive ive saw an argument that stated that the Alpha legion only sided with the traitors cuz they genuinely thought that it was the best corse for humanity, and they now work for the Imperium (without the Imperiums knowledge cuz they are still considered traitors) the main argument is the alpha legion supposedly they sabotaged the defenders of Vraks, its all a massive depends on the point of view type

[@WASDLeftClick]

Maybe one of the twin Primarchs was left on Terra with the Emperor, while the other was swept up by the Chaos Gods to some other world like the other Primarchs. That would make the stories of Alpharius’s origin each have a nugget of truth.

[@Lejiend]

WASDLeftClick that’s what I assumed, Alpharius was the lost son, while Omegon was raised in secret

[@canis2020]

Assuming this ignores the face that Malcador was said to be the assassin of the Emperor and the founder of the Assassinorium

[@phantomwraith1984]

What if they just want you to think they have a genetic flaw?

[@ethicsgradient2525]

Maybe they want you to think that they want you to think that they have a genetic flaw!

[@marcusmcclain3251]

I guess this means my Summer Heresy...is over...

[@bryce4724]

they do, its incredibly well hidden in the books

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

What if they're all clones of alpharius technically making everyone alpharius.

[@dethmedic52]

WE ARE ALPHARIUS

[@UnknownOrc]

I don't trust a single thing theorized about Alpha legion.

[@GumshoeClassic]

That's the right spirit, brother.

[@Zero01k]

@Harvey Crewe haha, don't tell him Brother

[@alpharius5178]

Good, that is the wise thing to do brother! (They are falling for it. 😎 Hydra Dominatus 🐍🐍🐍)

[@powerarmorenthusiast1067]

As it should be

[@gege0298]

I trust everything theorized about the Alpha legion

[@HiroTheWanderer]

They are just literal spy mains.

[@Matt-md5yt]

does that mean we need a Pyro main to sniff them out?

[@kybercat7]

"ok be 7 ft super buff gorilla men in chunky power armor" "ok" "lets tattoo our hydra symbol on every member we have" "ok" "now we be all sneeky like!" "...............are you a ork?!" i love 40k but sometimes it can be very very silly. sometimes bad silly, sometimes good silly!

[@worldwar1flyingace645]

@@Matt-md5yt Vulcan's still missing

[@ethicsgradient2525]

@@worldwar1flyingace645 He's just chilling in a particularly dark corner.

[@beemus1827]

Right time to get the razor back out

[@ZeroStyIe]

In the book Legion it’s stated that it’s the most stable of all the gene seeds by the cabal who studied all of the legions.

[@40KTheories]

That may very well have been the case during the course of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, but in the thousands of years after that the genetic stock of many legions would rapidly degrade (see the Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Space Wolves etc) The source of the Alpha Legion's gene-seed developing random mutations comes from their Index Astartes article, in case you were wondering.

[@theprinceofcrows8691]

Exactly, and the idea they suddenly developed a genetic mutation due to instability sounds like pure bunk. The other legions and chapters had their flaw in the early days of their existence and it is repeatedly stated their gene was among the most stable of all Astartes. Most if not all of those with defects were found during the great crusade. Any mutations among the Legion are due to warp exposure or other taint from items that were tainted by the warp.

[@klokar21]

The alpha legion need to do something actually relevant, they have the most potential to be cool, but the writers are too gun shy to do anything with them

[@XylaOXO]

I would be happy if they at least got to be the main focus of one good novel.

[@heladodevainiya344]

they need to bring Omegon to the current timeline

[@Triumph263]

@@heladodevainiya344 Yeah, but for which side?

[@goblinry]

@@Triumph263 Exactly.

[@TKUltra971]

@@XylaOXO They already were. Read "Shroud of Night". It starts the Alpha Legion doing lots of Alpha Legion shit and a good plot twist. This was released about a year or so ago.

[@ESO-ONE]

Everything is theory when it when it comes to the Alpha Legion.

[@NueThunderKing]

Eso - One hypothesis you mean

[@robertnelson9599]

They’re like the Lost Legions but more annoying.

[@mrslinkydragon9910]

Same with alpharius's 'death' at dorns hands. i dont think hes truly dead, even though omergon thinks his twin is dead has take the mantle

[@ESO-ONE]

@@mrslinkydragon9910this may sound stupid but did the other Primarchs Know about omegon?

[@mrslinkydragon9910]

@@ESO-ONE dont know.

[@Audiotrocious]

I mean, the Black Dragons have bone weapons as their genetic “fault.” Alpha Legion: Did you just assume my loyalty?

[@professorsponge1554]

I doubt the mutations are a gene seed flaw. the XXth could coordinate on a level that was freakishly harmonic even for astartes. Most didn't go to the Eye of Terror, but many of the Alpha legion use warp tainted items and powers freely and without restraint. Nothing is forbidden, everything is permitted in the XXth. So its likely mutations are just warp exposure. But that's the trouble with the Alpha legion. We'll never know the truth.

[@MrRobot-0]

I think we should eventualy know the truth but npt the details

[@robertnelson9599]

Same could be said for all the secrets of 40K.

[@MrRobot-0]

@@robertnelson9599 nah, some stuff needs to be explained, the ambiguity suits the hydra because they are spys ho are plaing paradox chicken aginst tzench, if everything became ambiguos and nebulous as the XX, they are reduced to a meme.

[@troublewakingup]

@@MrRobot-0 caralho Eduardo vc teve um derrame?

[@mattkennedy9308]

I like the idea they're a reverse Dark Angels. Dark Angels are Loyalists that had a split but are mostly loyalists hunting the Fallen in secret. Alphas had a split and Alpharius declared for Horus, but Omegon is still loyal and leading the Loyalists against the traitors. Hence they have to be secretive as everyone thinks they're Chaos. The loyalists have to serve the Emperors goals in secret as the Imperium won't trust them. The traitors don't want to be outed as containing loyalists to the Chaos followers or they'll turn on them too. Hence there's a big shadow war between the two factions that only occasionally comes to light and no-one's really sure of what they're up to...

[@word6344]

First legion and last...

[@connorerickson1137]

The true flaw is the multiple Alpharius disorder, or the emperor left Spartacus on the tv while he was working on Alpharius

[@joelcraig9803]

It turns out every one WAS Alpharius!

[@BlizzardofKnives]

The genetic flaw of the Alpha Legion is their compulsion to answer non-name related questions with “I am Alpharius”.

[@notdoomguy1616]

The more I listen to stories about the Alpha Legion the more firmly I believe they are pulling the biggest prank in galactic history. They are doing literally anything in their power to troll E V E R Y B O D Y.

[@ryantay9642]

My headcanon is that their genetic flaw makes them a hive mind. Every Astartes is autonomous, but through the power of warp fuckery every single Alpha Legionnaire is in direct communication with all the others. This would explain the level of near-perfect cohesion, as well as the infamous ‘I am Alpharius’.

[@word6344]

I wonder how a tyranid psyker would react to that

[@keirbird5900]

They are also stated to be incredibly swift in adapting to the loss of commanders. I agree with this theory. Maybe the primarchs can pass from one body to another through the hive mind, swelli g the body in size and strength?

[@cryptosporidium1375]

They never come out on top... when playing both sides

[@bladestorm337]

One flaw is being cursed with baldness

[@robertnelson9599]

BALD! BALD! BALD! MY EYES!

[@ironduke5058]

And so far from what I've learned is that all bald people are evil. I mean look at Horus and the rest of the traitors. See a pattern there?

[@robertnelson9599]

What about Fulgrim?

[@louisarius9672]

@@robertnelson9599 Fucking wig-wearing twat.

[@InquisitorThomas]

Robert Nelson Wig

[@KaiserAfini]

5:50 Before Corax realized "I am a primarch and not even I can even BEGIN to figure out the sort of post human engineering shenanigans behind this thing. If I put the entirety of Mars on it, they couldn't even begin to make a dent" *Cawl:* *sighs* You are all so zetta slow ! Give me the magic box of McGuffium, I will build you an army in 10 000 years or you get your money back.

[@Vamenotorious]

What if I told you that the Alpha legion is actually......NOT REAL Truly the largest troll in the galaxy

[@Deridus]

@Autumn Anxiety not fucking cannon!

[@wheat9829]

The alpha legion were the friends we made along the way.

[@wheat9829]

Literally the friends we made along the way, trust no one, they are alpharius.

[@Scarletraven87]

2:15 The Imperial Eagle has 2 heads. One's eyes are open, the other one's are closed. A great metaphor indeed.

[@Matt-md5yt]

this is an interesting theory and I didn't know they had a flaw in their Gene-seed. I learned something new. I always thought they are just so secretive

[@40KTheories]

Yeah, the information of their gene-seed developing random mutations comes from their Index Astartes article :)

[@beemus1827]

To be fair discerning anything about the alpha legion is about as hard as trying to dig through rock with hands

[@Matt-md5yt]

@@40KTheories thanks for that information

[@alastor-yw7og]

Bale: SINDRI SINDRI Sindri: uhh what my lord Carron: METAL BOXES! ( three qoutes from three if the most notorious alpha legion members )

[@Glandorray]

"Everything is true." "Even the lies?" "Especially the lies."

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

What if the real Alpharius is inside all of us all along

[@DeSpaceFairy]

So that explains the tingling sensation I have.

[@dethmedic52]

WE ARE ALL ALPHARIUS

[@commanderfarsight2351]

What if Alpharius is the corpse on the golden throne, and the emperor is Omegon?

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

@@commanderfarsight2351 You know too much.

[@commanderfarsight2351]

@@Big_E_Soul_Fragment Dr Bright did it.

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

their only genetic flaw is that they are not alpharius enough

[@joelcraig9803]

But than coudn't that be sead about all of us?

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

@@joelcraig9803..... Idk what your talking about alpharius I AM alpharius

[@wheat9829]

@@guardianofthetoasters2323Greetings alpharius, I am Alpharius

[@roguepsykerhaaker4813]

@@wheat9829 hello alpharius and alpharius, I am also alpharius. Me and like 5 other alphariuses se gonna head to the bar, you wanna come?

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Their biggest flaw is thinking that EVERYTHING IS ALPHARIUS!

[@pierceprzybyla1275]

.....greetings I am Alpharius

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

And their biggest advantage is people thinking that everything ISN'T Alpharius! 😁

[@notreallyhere67]

Pierce Przybyla No, I am Alpharius!

[@Deridus]

Hey, Alpharius! Shut up! I can say this since I have been Alpharius longer than you!

[@vladdrakul7851]

@@Deridus All you fake Alpharius's need to shut the fuck up! ok!? I AM ALPHARIUS, NOT YOU!!! So many 'wanna be's' these days, it is getting crowded around here!

[@bloodwolfkoji]

There really needs to be more books on the Alpha Legion, the near-total lack of stories on them is absolutely frustrating

[@Cytotron]

The Hydra has 3 heads ...

[@LordMuffinToken]

alpahrius, omegon and the legion

[@madtechnocrat9234]

@@LordMuffinToken the legion should be more like a body shoul it not?

[@LordMuffinToken]

@@madtechnocrat9234 maybe, maybe not. there is just not enough written about them. i would like more in this turbulent times and showing a few more facettes about them without giving ALL the answers.

[@naveedclifton]

Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.

[@LordMuffinToken]

@@themachine7534 wat

[@ralphawsome2556]

Only the emperor himself may know unfortunately he was unable to be reached for comments

[@OmniGSage]

Only one man living could get him to answer, and he wouldn't bother with an Alpha question.

[@hypnofrezzefan]

I have heard, the last group of petetioners, were slaughterd by the Custodos. Telling that the Emporer is Not aviable.

[@IONATVS]

Give him a Text to speech device.

[@golem4892]

@@IONATVS that just broke 😞

[@IONATVS]

@@golem4892Indeed. In the grim darkness of the 42nd Millennium, there are no victors.

[@redeyed154]

What is alpharius just told him marines they had a flaw. It would make just as much sense as anything else they do

[@Jake007123]

That would be fucking hilarious. Double so for his legion to believe him!

[@PitFriend1]

I’m wondering if all members of the Alpha Legion are genetic duplicates of their Primarch, even more so than other Astartes. This is why they all still work as a unit for the same inscrutable goals. You never read about Alphas breaking off to form their own war bands like you do from other Legions. This could also explain why they were a relatively small Legion, Why the Emperor forbade them from recruiting, and why they all will claim “I am Alpharius” if they’re ever captured and interrogated. This could also explain the existence of Omegon, Alpharius’ “twin”. This also gives new meaning to the hydra motif, kill one and more of the exact same will take his place.

[@justinokraski3796]

They’re banned from recruitment?

[@dummyaccount7325]

Wait, they forbade to recruiting?

[@Azoth86730]

I'm Alpharius, change my mind

[@hydradominatus3641]

You're not. Because I am Alpharius.

[@thedeadman4481]

@@hydradominatus3641 No because I am Alpharius.

[@Slimtastic]

The clue is in the Alpha Legion crest. One hydra is shown eating the Aquila, while the other stands above “guarding” it.

[@word6344]

And a third head sneaks beneath the notice of the first two...

[@AbadonXXX]

I find myself being very intrigued with the alpha legion

[@bryce4724]

the main flaw u get hints at in the books that cant be attributed to chaotic mutations and other "birth" defects are mental ones almost as if the extra augmentations they undergo can break the mind completely.

[@faolan1686]

A good mate of mine, who has been into 40k for over 25 years, told me that the Alpha legion aren't really trators. There was prophecy or something that said if they fought with the emperor he would loose, but if they betrayed him the Imperium would win. Can anyone point to a some more information about this?

[@indraciptaputramandiri1650]

A prophecy basically. In a nutshell, Alpharius and Omegon encountered an individual who can see the future. Basically, they were shown two possibilities. If horus won-and survived, he'll soon feel utmost guilt for everything he had done and start a total war to exterminate chaos in it's entirety, resulting in total annihilation of the Imperium and humanity. The second one is where The imperium would won-and horus dead. This would lead the slow decay of the Imperium, but it will endure longer than the one in Horus' total war. Alpharius and Omegon decided to support the traitors to be double agents, just so the Imperium would still be standing, albeit decaying. Hope this helps!

[@Freedmoon44]

Its honestly a weird one, where for those 2 specific Primarch its less about the Imperium, and more about the Emperor himself and what they thought his goals were. The 1st path of letting Horus wins would mean killing Chaos, which for Alpharious allegedly at least because Alpha Legion, was the ultimate goal of the Emperor, and as such working toward that goal would mean helping the Emperor win and Chaos lose, albeit with the Imperium itself. The 2nd path of letting the Emperor win would mean the Imperium lives on, which would be allegedly in Omegon's mind (who was actually Alpharius but lol lmao) the ultimate goal of the Emperor, and he would then work behind Alpharius's back during the Heresy to help the Loyalists (at least more directly than yknow killing everything and be done with it). The result? The Alpha Legion as an entity joined Chaos since the leader was Alpharius, and as such the 1st path, but since Alpharius died and Omegon lived (most likely since even the one that allegedly killed him dont mention it) at least a part of the Legion (which would most likely be HUGE due to their geneseed being stable, the stolen Geneseed from the Raven Guard, the lack of casualties from attrition in large campain due to their tactics working differantly from the rest by far etc...) supports Omegon and with 10k years since Omegon wasnt seen in public and the Legion more or less spread across the whole Galaxy this creates a huge network that tends to do its own thing eventhough one order from the primarch would likely bring most of them back together

[@MrKbonez]

Yes. "The Cabal", a bunch of sissy Eldar, told Alpharius that he must join the Traitors but that this would ensure the eventual victory of the Imperium. I cant remember which book this was from

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@MrKbonez that's not correct. Alpharius and Omegon got told by that cabal, which are a bunch of alien species not just eldar, that they could either side with the emperor, in which case Horus would be defeated, but the imperuim would have around ten thousand years of slow, inevitable decay, while chaos would continue to grow more powerful. Or they could side with Horus, Horus would kill the emperor, chaos would be victorious and get incredibly powerful, but then Horus would, due to guilt and shame, wage a war against chaos, which would destory humanity, but take chaos with it.

[@lorthorn]

The only flaw is truly believing that they are traitor. The triplet primarchs are just waiting for the right moment to pull off the longest con ever.

[@wheat9829]

This is getting out of hand, now there are free of them.

[@JackelKarlos]

I love the theory that through the Alpha Legion, the Emperor infiltrated the heart of chaos itself x)

[@Thexaios]

Bashir: "Of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?" Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true." Bashir: "Even the lies?" Garak: "Especially the lies." Alpha Legion in a nutshell.

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

Is it possible gene seed derrived from Alpharius vs that from Omegon have different types/severity of genetic flaws?

[@pedropagliacci3108]

They were identical twins, they probably have identical genetic material.

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

@@pedropagliacci3108 I believe there is precedent for identical twins to have their genes manifest differently. It's rare though. We also don't know for certain if the warp storm that transported the rest of their brothers affected them both the same way.

[@LSgaming201]

@@pedropagliacci3108 Identical Twins are not actually identical. There are subtle genetic differences, many are not even noticeable at a surface level. Alpharius and Omegon having different levels of genetic stability would not be completely out of the question.

[@chrissoto7187]

They have the same flaw of the dark Angels the ability to not know when to be honest and honorable. Actually it would be interesting 🤔 if the alpha had to deal with all there secrets being laid bare by omogon no longer wanting to bare the burden.

[@lukehenderson3273]

Sounds like the Black Dragons. Cultivated genetic flaws that are weaponised. Did we just figure out black dragons real geneseed origin?

[@lordcommissarthomas1922]

Yes

[@Zilock64]

Alpharius Omegon be like: Do you know how I got these scars..?

[@hydradominatus3641]

The Alpha Legion is cheeky as hell using the Omega symbol as there logo. That's just intentionally f'n with people and I love it.

[@NateVHVT]

The alpha legion; the astartes equivalent of the "you live life as a crab but you can only answer vaguely" meme.

[@Ralndrath]

One of my favourite characters in my Secret War continuity Veteran Sergeant Kalakor of the Raven Guard is actually one of the first aspirants made by the Alpha Legion. He decided he hated Chaos and the way his Legion was going and left. He learned sorcery to aid in infiltration and his single man war against chaos.

[@guyver441]

1:18 love that artwork, like he's saying "ah ah AH! Ask me no questions I'll tell you no lies..."

[@adurbe]

I always thought of their geneseed as stable, but malleable. Primarch and marine are effectively interchangeable and this was used to great effect within the Legion. However, when infiltrating other legions it could be nessasary to mimic deviations in geneseed to fit in. For example, salamanders skin or blood angel teeth. With the commitment to infiltration, it seems plausible that Alpha Legion marines would undergo genetic experiments to achieve that. However the "failure" does not mean the marine in question is discarded, instead their changes are put to a different use.

[@ComradeOgilvy369]

Underrated

[@judgestrix5106]

It would be wild if Alpharius did land on the barren world and Omegon was raised by the Emperor. Who in turn is still loyal to his father 😂. It's like a soap opera. Next on As Terra Turns...

[@carlstanford7607]

Man you nailed it but reverse the names.

[@MrGrim]

It's really interesting to think about how the A legion being such an advanced and intelligent group would have an emphasis on oral history. Cause the only way to know truth in the legion must be to be told the truth and begin taught how to speak or learn in their own specific code language

[@daniellee653]

It would be pretty awesome if they were on a secret assignment for the emperor to infiltrate chaos

[@lordcommissarthomas1922]

Welp, we just found out where the black dragons got their gene seed from.

[@SonicNitro]

"Demon blood?" how does one even acquire such a thing?

[@Salmon_Rush_Die]

It's a whole process... A real pain in the ass.

[@SonicNitro]

I thought daemons could only maintain their form in the material realm when their is a lot of warp presence? So even if you did acquire, some blood form a daemon in the warp, wouldn't it just evaporate out of existence if brought out into the material realm?

[@SonicNitro]

@Lex Bright Raven So keep the stuff in a special warp based containor?

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

Maybe it's like the blood in The Thing: it's a separate entity with its own sense of self-preservation that splits off from the main body in order to maintain its corporeal form. If the demon donates its various fluids willingly, and certain demons are all too willing to leave their fluids everywhere (I'm looking at you, Nurgle and Slaanesh. In this regard you're as bad as each other), it may be more likely that they can be collected when the demon returns to the warp, or can be carried into the material world.

[@chrissoto7187]

I believe the flaw is more of a mental one like the blood angels. The dark angels can keep secrets and suspicions too closely. I believe the Alpha legion struggles from somethings similar they can’t help but be covert secretive and subversive even the two Primark‘s were at odds with each other without the other knowing about it!

[@elijahhadley4205]

Yay I really like these therory videos especially one on the alpha legion

[@ripandtear6431]

Alpha legion lore is weird, i kinda like it but it can be a bit much at times

[@GamStr-xq3vc]

You mean Tralse videos

[@joelcraig9803]

The greatest thing about playing Alpha Legion in warhammer 40k is that even when you lose, you still win. Becouse that was the plan all the time.

[@sethmiller2532]

Well, with the Alpha Legion being closer loyalists, they would, naturally not be corrupted by chaos, but they have to blend in, and if they're not getting SOME kind of mutation then the traitor legions would become suspicious of them, so they must have manufactured temporary mutations that can be undone when their work is finished.

[@Yawbus1976]

Problem with the Alpha Legion, is the same problem as the Lost TV series. If you keep creating mysteries but never provide answers, many people will eventually switch off. I really enjoyed the Alpha Legion at the beginning of the Horus Heresy novels, but fifty books in and I cannot stand them.

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

I think the main reason the Alpha Legion didn't get reinforced is that they actually didn't need it. They were "losing" forces while actually establishing infiltration cells across other legions, but they can't just have their legion shrink without requesting more soldiers. The Emperor refused their reinforcements because his psychic life-count said none of their legion had died. I actually suspect the Alpha Legion hasn't splintered into warbands, they're the masters of infiltration and remaining undetected. If their legion worked together when all the others splintered apart, it would be super suspicious and reveal their hand. It's not the Alpha Legion way.

[@Drew_Thompson]

The alpha legion's gene flaw, as shown by the geld, seems to be related to "twinning" for some odd reason.

[@SigfridSWE]

Wow wow!!! Awesome topic! This is so interesting, can't wait to see the video

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

I'm afraid that I have to disagree on one point here (sorry!) You mentioned that the least is known about the Alpha Legion notwithstanding the two lost legions. We know for a fact that they existed, that they had numbers, and they were removed from all records. If an Alpha Legion Astartes told me that the number for his legion was 20 I'd be second guessing everything I've ever read or heard that confirmed it for the rest of eternity! 😁

[@slb797]

The genetic flaw is actually known, and present in their Primarch(s). They cannot take an objective simply. It has to be complicated an over a protracted period of time. I believe either Russ or Girlyman complained that the Alpha Legion spent a lot longer on a planet than was necessary, that it could have been easily taken with a swift full on assault, but the Alpha Legion did things like normal, and waited around for sabotage opportunities and such. Horus apparently loved it tho.

[@dwreanchinotan]

their mutations are a gift for tzeentch for just being so damn confusing

[@cathode6252]

I honestly thought it was just the I am Alpharius thing.

[@sl600rt]

I'm feeling pretty Alphairus myself today.

[@Lionbladier]

The genetic flaw of the Alpha Legion? Schizophrenia. You're welcome. :)

[@NetMoverSitan]

One flaw is that which makes them so incapable of just getting on with it, they're incapable of walking in a straight line, due to how complex their plans are...well, as the Joker would put it "If I'm going to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice." | 5:38 - Yeah, they ruined that for that universe's version of Nightwing. | Well, it's not because they were the sons of Spiky Tits.

[@alpharius5178]

The plan is working, brothers. Hydra Dominatus!

[@StealthNinja4577]

I think it's cool to have a covert legion... at the same time it'd be cooler to have the readers aware of the truth and the characters in world in the dark.

[@joshbunton6424]

All of the accounts are correct cause they are all Alpharius

[@ianlewis523]

The Alpha Legion is so deep under cover, even they don't know who they work for.

[@sofakingcool1555]

How do you feel about an idea I had, where the alpha legion are fighting their own shadow war with loyalist and traitor alpha legion?

[@tru8637]

Who knows maybe the Alpha legion is just going unga bunga, while everyone's overthinking what they're doing

[@Havelthegravel]

My theory is that the alpha legion is still loyal to the emperor and before the heresy, was give a secret mission by the Emperor.

[@YingTongIddleEyePo]

Mah Boyze! Though still, look at that sigil, three heads of the Hydra, there's another brother Primarch out there

[@Trollfagget]

OK, one thing is for certain: The Alpha Legion is, in fact, a space marine legion. Probably.

[@EpicDude86]

Unofficially the Alpha Legion is Malak's legion. Officially, Alpha Legion are ACTUALLY Tzeentch's favored legion in reality while Magnus' sons assume Tzeentch favors them

[@turmunhkganba1705]

1:11 I know it’s supposed to be a hushing motion but common it just looks like his trying pick his nose

[@ecstaticfish9072]

I'm starting horus heresy alpha legion after Christmas. This is the coolest of the legions.

[@96111thomas]

What if the 2 missing primarchs is just false flag Alpha legion propaganda 😳

[@tadeuszsa8314]

Nope, they were real and Malcador/Big E, and the Primarchs (at least) know about there existence

[@skulltakertheflamingswordo5792]

Both the primarchs and space marines were created from knowledge gleaned from Chaos. The Alpha Legion's mutations could be a visible result of that and could be why they were so secretive. It could also at least partially explain why they worked to all look identical and interchangeable, so as to possibly wipe away any mutations in one fell swoop. One reason why they turned traitor might also have been that they were worried of being purged if these mutations got out of control, like what Sanguinius feared if the Black Rage and Red Thirst became known.

[@josefharvey5614]

Man I love this channel!

[@rdubayoo]

Ah, the Alpha Legion. For all their cleverness they may be the biggest suckers in the galaxy. Yes, let's fight Chaos by helping it! Great idea!

[@madeofmandrake1748]

Now, I had heard either on this channel or on another lore channel that the reason the Alpha legion defected was because of a psychic prophecy describing the fall of the empire. It described total extinction of humanity if Horus won, and the slow and complete fall to chaos should the emperor win. So, either in canon or in the TTS verse, all the emperor needs to do is convince the Alpha Legion that their prophecy was false and they'll become Loyalist again.

[@Fordo007]

I remember in Community in the conspiracy theory episode the Dean was revealed to just agree to go along with anyone's schemes even if it meant betraying the person he was already scheming with and he ended up just being a triple agent not knowing what the actual scheme was anymore. I wonder if the Alpha Legion flaw is they just say yes to any scheme even if it conflicts with another scheme.

[@ironvenator3405]

"Last time I was this early..."

[@worldwar1flyingace645]

...Alpha Legion was still loyal...maybe

[@hisnotsolonely2961]

I was...Omegon.

[@trevorberryhill2398]

The Imperium wasn't something to be disappointed in

[@chalkdeamon6070]

GW was still a good company.

[@totallyalpharius507]

Flaw? That's not a flaw, that's a feature.

[@Lee-vp8vs]

Definitely the most underrated and underdeveloped legion. So much more mileage than Angry Astartes, Preachy Astartes, Wizard Astartes (mostly empty shells). Right up there with scary torture Astartes (8th Legion). Nuanced, free thinking, capable of so much more than shouting for blood. (Or praising the big E with every other breath for the loyalist mobs). Their use of spies opens up the writing so much. I would pick an Alpha Legion novel over the smurfs/ vampires/ golden boys any day.

[@ComradeOgilvy369]

Khorne favors he who kills with a brutal haste; taking more skulls for the skull throne - Lorgar 3:16

[@kennetheisenbraun5217]

When it comes to the Alpha Legion, all things are true, and all things are lies.

[@gjsncr]

What are the loyalist and traitor legion pairings? Blood Angels : World Eaters Dark Angels : Emperor's Children Imperial Fists : Iron Warriors Iron Hands : Death Guard Raven Guard : Night Lords Salamanders : Word Bearers Space Wolves : Thousand Sons? Ultramarines : Luna Wolves/Black Legion White Scars : Alpha Legion?

[@ironvader502]

Maybe not a flaw on a genetic Level, but definitely One in their way of thinking is that the Alpha Legion has an allmost unstoppable urge to do everything as complicated as possible, for no other reason than to show that they can, and an equally strong urge to constantly tell People just how good they supposedly are. If you tell an Alpha Legionnaire to cross a valley, he's spent years setting up a mining-business in the area around it, then Lobby with Local Politicians to lower safety-standards to cause a collapse that would fill in the valley he's supposed to Cross instead of just using the Bridge 200m down from where he's standing. They could have killed Guilliman during the Heresy, and failed, purely because they couldn't resist to tell him who was trying to kill him.

[@mattkennedy9308]

The flaw could be low survival of the initates but they are almost immune to mind reading... Hence no-one's really sure of their loyalty but there's not many of them.

[@mattwho81]

The Alpha Legions big flaw isn’t genetic but psychological. They had a massive inferiority complex towards the other Legions. It was never enough to know they were good, they had to prove they were better than everyone else. They had to engage in overly complex and baroque schemes of treachery and deceit to prove how clever they were. Even when they could have got the job done by a straightforward assault they had to scheme and plot. It was this flaw that let Rogal Dorn outplay the Alpha Legion and ultimately cost Alpharius his life.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I think it'd be cool that Alpha marines flaw was that they were all smaller so that marines could blend in among normal humans.

[@justanaverageguy912]

mate i love you top 5 warhammer channels ez but a 30 sec intro?

[@theimperialinquisition5009]

I Have an Maladaptive DAYDREAMING illness so when I'm watching this i can imagine the scenario very Fast and easy.

[@andrefilipe9042]

Really? What do you see when you imagine the Warp or others scenarios like Commoragh

[@theimperialinquisition5009]

@@andrefilipe9042 i feel like I'm in an virtual reality i once dreamt that i was part of the Emperor's Great Crusade and in the Horus heresy especially that one on ULTRAMAR and Mars and i also created an scenario that i was in Cadia Fighting the Heretics before abaddon destroyed the entire Planet many feared this illness but for me it's my Playground i love this Illness of mine i even Created an movie in my Head from where Holy Terra is being sieged by abaddon i even have my own alternate Timeline of The imperium of man.

[@andrefilipe9042]

@@theimperialinquisition5009 This is amazing. Words fail me to describe how incredible and maybe frighting must be to be able see unconscious yet tangible thoughts at the same time you see the world. Tell me have you ever decide to try and seeing if this visions bury any hiden meaning behind all the chatter. Like deconstructing this vision and analysing them?

[@theimperialinquisition5009]

@@andrefilipe9042 yes yes but what's best in this illness is when you're Dreaming evertime you sleep you can create your own dream your brain won't make it For you you yourself will it amazing that is how i even fix my English accent and how i learned how to Fight it and Control it sometimes about that analysing data thing that you said i create my own Clues my own questions and what's best in this illness/Paradise is your the hero of your own story sometimes i even imagined that I'm the Villain and it's amazing actually even now im DAYDREAMING that the emperor of mankind has been Resurrected Hahaha i know its nonsense but for me it's Bloody Cool!

[@andrefilipe9042]

@@theimperialinquisition5009 Just have one word for you: Marvelous XD