The God Of Chaos Undivided - 40K Theories

Within the depths of Warp Space there exist four major Chaos Gods. But could a fifth, even greater being also exist among their number?
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[@spartan5157]

>Large number of stingray-esque creatures flying in Warp. Ah I see humanity's collective ire for the killers of Steve Irwin is timeless.

[@jonathanredacted3245]

Even though he wouldn't have wanted that >:L

[@fumarc4501]

Never forget, never forgive!

[@Jakynast]

That stingray only killed Steve Irwin because he fingerblasted it's shitpipe...

[@spartan5157]

@@jonathanredacted3245 Steve Irwin could obliterate all the chaos gods with a stray thought, he just enjoys wrasslin them too much.

[@captnwinkle]

Everytime I am at the Aquarium's sting ray petting pond, I hold a minute of silence

[@oldeskul]

Somewhere Malal is screaming whilst peeking through a little peephole "I WILL BE CANON AGAIN!"

[@Matt-md5yt]

He is Malice now

[@ExtreamGaming100]

Malal... please, you can't keep doing this to yourself.

[@StarboyXL9]

I WILL BE CANON AGAIN! I WILL I WILL I WILL! *Non-canon sobbing noises*

[@mgc9965]

"There there, I'll make you some hot chocolate"

[@tuquoque7322]

"Grown mightily indignant at the words of the Gods, Malal did turn his heart against them and flee into the chambers of space...And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hate, who smile upon their misfortune, and who bear no love save for the damned. At such times as a warrior's heart turns to Malal, all Gods of Chaos grow fearful, and the laughter of the Outcast God fills the tomb of space..."

[@temmy9]

Dont forget my favorite minor god, Zuvassin the Undoer, who works to make sure nothing goes as planned.

[@insertedgynamehere]

Ah, anti Tzeench

[@jimhormann6085]

Because of course Murphy's Law is a god in 40K

[@molliethomas2585]

So Magnus was right, the Emperor was making a Chaos God of Unbelief.

[@withheldrathernotsay3324]

I think so. Either that or big E was unintentionally making Nocoho more powerful.

[@imperiumoccidentis7351]

@@withheldrathernotsay3324 Honestly it makes total sense. Chaos Gods probably tend to dislike each other far more than they dislike mortals. They wage war with each other more than against those in the material universe. Perhaps Big E was *intentionally* trying to make unbelief a fifth chaos power to challenge and undermine the other four chaos gods, maybe as a part of some grander plan to destroy chaos entirely. It just seems to make a lot more sense than the emperor attempting to make everyone atheists when this is fundamentally opposed to human nature. He probably thought it would just be a temporary measure.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

@@imperiumoccidentis7351 no, he telly thought it would work. It's not against human nature as much as he can't force it on people without them latching onto him.

[@dfailsthemost]

@@imperiumoccidentis7351 If he did succeed in making everyone atheist, after a few millenia, wouldn't it have greatly weakened the the four, though? Maybe he just didn't count on the idea that unbelief itself could manifest in the warp.

[@aalaniva]

No he's trying to make himself a god. He's been worshipped for 10k years.

[@kulrigalestout]

Imagine that kid who almost never plays, but watches games at the club with hardly a comment. One day he watches your game. You roll your die and pick up the various Hits and Wounds, and at a seemingly random moment he says "that was a 1". It wasn't a 1, you know it wasn't a 1, he's not entirely sure it was a 1, your opponent doesn't care if it was a 1 or not, but you feel obligated to put a dice in the Miss pile because you can't prove that it wasn't a 1 and don't want to look like a poor sport. That's the God of Chaos Undivided; subtly altering the course of the Game without actually playing It. That's why the Major Powers have such a keen dislike for Furies, because they're born of and represent a non-committal entity mucking about with their Game when they have no stakes or interest in the outcome.

[@user-gj7lp5iz6k]

By the Emperor, this is a blessed comment.

[@coolersnoipah173]

this, but unironically

[@kulrigalestout]

lol forgot i wrote this Anyhow, it was based on a true story. My story. I was that kid. Fun fact though, the guy who I screwed out of a Land Raider kill full of Assault Terminators and ended up losing the game thanks to my half-sincere "that was a 1"? Cool dude, didn't blame me, even game me a ride home and when we faced off later gave me tactical advice leading to an overwhelming victory in my favor. I suspect I remember the event with far greater clarity than he does, because he was chill like that and I feel guilty about it to this day.

[@Washeek]

"The Great Beast of Chaos undivided" is a MEGAZORD!

[@fredericherz4946]

Go go power rangers du du du du du du duuu

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

Chaos rangers... pink, red, yellow (nurgle?),blue....and black... (malal/malice?)

[@MrGarrett1423]

Well the Psycho Rangers had to come from somewhere

[@theinquisitionsparrot6749]

Fire4life17X ayyyyyyy

[@yulverick]

Makes me think about daemon engines ...

[@kingsarues1586]

Malice is and isn't the God of Chaos which make perfect sense. He is Truely Chaotic but the paradox of Chaos is that Chaos always has a degree of order.

[@commie4164]

malice is the god of chaos, but that is not the same as chaos undivided. malice represents absolute discord and anarchy, the disunity of the forces of chaos. essentially he is the antithesis of chaos undivided.

[@minnumseerrund]

@@commie4164 I suppose in a sense disunity and eternal struggle IS what binds the major Chaos gods together? It's an obvious paradox but being divided (ie, the Great Game) is what defines the Gods and their relation to each other... making Malice the incarnation of Chaos united (as opposed to Undivided). Kinda. Maybe :P

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

so chaos is perfectly equal in every way that it's order so no side can ever have an advantage so chaos is communism I FUCKING KNEW IT !!!! PURGE THE TAU THEY ARE THE MOST CHAOTIC RACE

[@kingsarues1586]

To put it simply Malice is true Chaos which is a paradox since pure Chaos is just as ordered as pure order. This is why Malice is both a loyalist (for say) and a chaotic entity at the same time because the imperium is pure order meanwhile chaos is well pure chaos. This thought train has lead me to a new theory. The great game isn't exactly a great game but rather a ploy created by malice to ensure chaos always exists so he doesn't die under the power of his own paradox. The emperor of mankind is just another pawn designed to create order. This means neither mankind or chaos can actually win since they are the same thing in essence. This means one of 4 outcomes are possible. The good ending: humanity and chaos merge without a Victor to end the paradox of Malice without destroying him. This would create a society that exists on a spectrum where there is both order and chaos but neither requires the other to exist. The bad endings humanity or chaos is destroyed meaning malice is destroyed by his own paradox thus resetting the universe, or destroying it. The worst ending human and chaos are both destroyed thus leaving no gods to maintain the universe leaving malice with no power to violently die since he has nothing to release meaning the universe is destined to die with no hope of resurrection. I'm super tired so don't mind if the articulation is bad haha.

[@thespecter6416]

Just like order has a degree of chaos, as rules and laws can't be constantly applied the same to everything in practice, thus not being predictable all the time, thus having "A little black in the white and a little white in the black"

[@saeyabor]

13:12 "The outcome of the Great Game is so important to the Chaos Gods that it commands their almost *undivided* concentration..." I think you just stumbled on the answer: *the Great Game itself* is the "Fifth Power," "the God of Undivided," effectively the gods' god. It's somewhere in the overlap between "the game is actually playing them" and being such a huge, complex-subtle entity that it isn't perceivable as an entity; i.e. it's the Warp itself as an equivalent to Azathoth or Yog'Sothoth. Undivided princes have either partially appeased all of The Four, or have tapped into the Great Game in their own right as a minor player, unless that's the same thing, in which case [explodes into spawndom NOOOOOOOOGLARBABLAHBALHABHHBLBL]

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

Saeyabor *BLAM* Your heresy shall be eliminated, Chaos Spawn or not!

[@Ajehy]

Excellent theory! I applaud you... after I power-wash the carpet. Why does chaos have to be so messy? Oh look, I found some Inquisitor bits.

[@dd11111]

A surprising theory, but a welcome one.

[@absalomdraconis]

The "Great Game" might be a manifestation of the "Great Beast", but I doubt that it is the thing itself. Frankly, even for the Warp the Great Beast should be close to non-existence, fading away and resolidifying like Gorkamorka. The Great Beast would, after all, be the sum-total of Chaos, and thus normally torn asunder by it's own internal dissent. Thus, the "Great Game" could be a Chaos God, but rather than being the "Great Beast" or Chaos Undivided, it would be Chaos _Divided,_ the/a chaos god of indecisiveness, division, dispute, contradiction, _and boundaries._ _And_ it would be but a part of the Great Beast, and a manifestation of why the Great Beast doesn't manifest: when enough of itself is in agreement, that itself manifests as though Chaos in the general sense is taking action, while any time that it is divided against itself, it appears to be individual gods, or princes, or even common daemons taking action by themselves, for there is not _one_ mind within itself, but, several, and thus it falls _normally_ to self-contradiction, self-sabotage, and oxy-moronicism.

[@Devonlui]

Then again, the Warp is directly separate from Chaos, since it existed as a peaceful, calm place before the Necrontyr went all " give me your oil or I'll have to give you freedom"

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Yes, the Primordial Annihilator. This is mentioned at the end of Horus Rising, Prospero Burns, and in other references by Eldar and other older races. I didn't think that "The Greater Good" theory was ever explicitly accepted in canon lore. Belakor/Ahriman/Lorgar/Perturabo/Abaddon. . . "We are independent and free!" (Except when our strings are being pulled and we don't know it. )

[@wolfblade40k89]

But I am free

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@wolfblade40k89, "I got no strings to hold me down. . ." - Pinocchio

[@Zakvadr1995]

So.... there could be one, but with the paradox of yes then also no.... this feels like Tzeentch trying to say he is a Good guy while stabbing bad guys while giving children cookies laced with Primarch Cyanide. But with the aspect of all of the Four being fragments of one greater being might give a better prospect with what the Emperor did in the Warp when he was fighting/tricking the four. He fought one massive Entity and fragmented it into four lesser Entities. Making it easier for him to accomplish his goals. As several others have already said in other comments, the only time the gods actually work together they might remake “The Great Beast” for a time until they fragment apart and staring fighting each other again. It’s like Schizophrenia and multi personality syndrome on a multidimensional level. Love your work Inquisitor! Can’t wait for the next video!

[@Nyghtking]

So does that mean if the emperor could shatter them into smaller pieces he could just devour them to get rid of them and become more powerful?

[@thomasandries2846]

@@Nyghtking If so he forgot that four on one aren't exactly good odds either. I honestly think that when he was created something fucked with him. How else would a multi thousand year old being whose purpose was to oppose chaos make so many mistakes.

[@blkbrdmntrvimes6438]

Hold on isn't slaanesh the youngest of the chaos gods born from hard partying Eldar ? I ask because splitting into 3 makes a little more sense if she who thirsts shows up later

[@thomasandries2846]

@@blkbrdmntrvimes6438 slaanesh when birthed created the Eeye of Terror and other warp storms which triggered the age of strife. And the timing of tumeline.doesnt add up for the emperor to divide them

[@yeahno6053]

awesome insight ..... The emperor saw that this was the best course you think?

[@Zen17h]

I like the idea that some chaos undivided daemon princes actually belong to some chaos god that simply haven't been born yet due to the way time makes no sense in the warp. As an example in a Warhammer 60k fanfic, Perturabo swears allegiance to a new chaos god of machines

[@joelbell6075]

Chaos: The Fractured, but Whole.

[@40KTheories]

I see what you did there

[@jaredking380]

I'd like to think that the warp itself is the mind of the god of chaos undivided. Or perhaps the warp is the body ....... only time will tell.

[@e21big]

I subscribe to the theory of Fabius Bile that the warp itself is the true nature of Chaos. The gods themselves are nothing but the reflection of the mortal's soul, thus they are but a mindless reflection of our own collective mind

[@e21big]

@Raziel\m/ that's seem to be the idea, before the birth of the Chaos god (time of the Old One) the warp are far less chaotic than the state they are in 42nd mil

[@commie4164]

@Raziel\m/ yes. the emperor's goal with the great crusade was to create a peaceful secular galactic society, which was effectively starving out the forces of chaos by removing the sources from the material realm that they were feeding upon. it was working, and so the chaos gods enacted a gambit with horus to throw the galaxy into warfare and strife.

[@serioushamster]

@Raziel\m/ The idea was that things will get worse before they get better.

[@commie4164]

@Raziel\m/ short term detriment for long term gains. yes there was violence within the great crusade, plenty of it. but by and large it was not venerating any of the chaos gods, vastly limiting the power they gained from it. and upon the conclusion of any conflict, planets were made compliant with the imperial creed, basically no religions and peaceful cooperation. which was massively detrimental to the chaos gods

[@internetzenmaster8952]

_Checks to make sure this Inquisitorial broadcast hasn't been accidentally leaked to vox channels Orks can pick up._ Because you just KNOW the greenskins would believe there's a bigger god than the other four Chaos gits just so Gork and Mork would actually have a *new, bigger* opponent to punch around the Warp. Also, I guarantee you Gork and Mork do the DBZ fusion dance when they become GorkaMorka. Because Orks.

[@Sir_Bucket]

They'lk do a waaagh of two orks. A twowaaaagh!

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

FFFUUU SSSIIIOOOONNN WWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[@skwam7202]

A cheep trick used to make weak orks stronger

[@Sir_Bucket]

@@skwam7202 stop making steven univers references. I got image of a gork and mork romance and I can't get it out ;-;

[@malaltherenegadegod]

Internet Zen Master Because that's how mafia works.

[@acousticnoisemachine]

Whether or not it's a sentient entity, there's references to the warp itself having a voice outside those of the individual Chaos gods. In Know No Fear, Kor Phaeron corrects someone who thinks Lorgar writes down the voices of the gods: "Kor Phaeron looks at him. ‘You know, Lorgar simply records what is dictated to him? What is whispered to him and him alone? By the powers of eight,’ replies Kor Phaeron. ‘By the gods?’ asks Tchure. ‘By the powers of eight,’ replies Kor Phaeron. ‘By the speakers of the void and the voices of the abyss. By the Primordial Annihilator, out of the throat of the warp.’"

[@oditeomnes]

"Primordial annihilator" sounds like Azathoth to me.

[@alexanderzhmurov9624]

"Powers of eight?"

[@lynnusuk2092]

What does he mean by powers of the eight exactly? Like power of the 8 combined yet out side of their own active wills like a subconscious?

[@agentchaos9332]

Powers of 8? Hmm..so theres another 4 gods out there somewhere. Or 3 if we count Malus

[@samwrai]

The 8 pointed cross. The Mark of Chaos

[@TheMasaoL]

The Great Game: Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker

[@kinggodzilla_9523]

*Slow clap intesifies*

[@matics453]

My Emperor I don't think this is Paradox Billiards Vostroyan Roulette Fourth Dimensional Hybercube Chess Strip Poker , I think it's just a *Childrens Card Game*

[@rylanortheunyielding3811]

Really a reference to If the Emperor had a text to speech device

[@lewisirwin5363]

Malice sounds to my mind like the God of Murphy's Law, just That ONE Guy/Thing that always screws shit up just when it's going right. He's basically Chaos' Id.

[@nadakeshashvor423]

Single vast intelligence, blah blah, unimaginable by mortals. Pure evil. Good thing nothing like that exists. *distant Tyranid screaming* Oh. Right.

[@bobloerakker7010]

The tyranids are not evil..just hungry.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@bobloerakker7010 Really, REAAAALLY hungry

[@bigpigeon2384]

Joel Gawne they Need like 7-9 snickers

[@kephrekhtheunbroken7510]

Imgaine if the Tyranids are creations and servents of the god of chaos undivided....

[@calastyphon2510]

Bob Loerakker that could be applied just as easily to the chaos gods. The only difference is that they feed on souls.

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

I think that Chaos itself is a god in the true sense of the word while the "Chaos Gods" are pretty much just super powerful godly daemons that manifested in the warp. The comparison is similar to Elder Scrolls lore where daedric princes are pretty much like Chaos Gods and Sithis/Padomay is the universal force of chaos.

[@xo-1320]

Actually the ultimate force (in the Elder Scrolls) is the Godhead with all things as part of it. The setting of the games however comes from Anu the Dreamer, a being who achieved a state of awareness so great he able to create a universe from his dream which is were another Anu/Pademony exists that made the Elder scrolls reality we play in... Oh and you can in theory become a dreamer yourself and create a universe of your own if you know how. So yes Elder Scrolls is basically a cosmic game of inception.

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

@@xo-1320 Yeah yeah, I know all about CHIM and stuff. I'm just saying that Anu was the force of stasis and order while Padomay was the force of change and chaos. The Aedra came from Anu while the Daedra came from Padomay. All of them come from the godhead of course.

[@ralseiwithagun9859]

Your mom gay and you have the big gay good day

[@jplum3891]

Genuinely horrified by the image shown for the Aeldari goddess. As a follower of Slaanesh, plus one for you.

[@BrenttFease]

But Slaanesh says she's tasty...

[@internetzenmaster8952]

@@BrenttFease ... Considering that Isha aka Nurgle's "taste tester", Slaanesh saying Isha is tasty can be taken in _so_ many different ways...

[@jplum3891]

@@internetzenmaster8952 delicious ways.

[@danielgarza1209]

Holy shit, there is an actual god of atheism? So, The Emperor creating a god of unbelief is cannon, then?

[@40KTheories]

Not quite. Necoho has been a thing for a long time, but the manner of his creation is somewhat of a mystery (so we're unsure whether to credit Big E on this one essentially :P ) Necoho (despite being a very old part of Warhammer lore in general) was actually mentioned recently in an Age of Sigmar story, which also seems to imply a retcon from being a god of atheism to one of anti-theism.

[@lonewanderer1328]

40K Theories so instead of being one that says: atheism = greek for “without gods”. Necocho is one that’s anti-theism= “against gods”

[@scottmurphy4946]

Thank god I am a atheist Damn it

[@lonewanderer1328]

John Smith this is it, hypocritical/paradoxical cognitive dissonances like this.

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

@@scottmurphy4946 i know where you got that quote from it was steve blum wasn't it :P

[@gigatwin5298]

I believe that this so called "Great Beast" does exist within the warp but resides in an area that's almost unreachable and old enough that the chaos gods don't know of it even being there perhaps it sleeps in an underground cavern below even the crystal labyrinth which if I remember right stretches across and links the domains of each chaos god in the whole warp together. Here's a thought the four chaos gods where spawned during humanities rise from cave dwellers to a space empire but what if this "Great Beast" was born long before like around the time of the war of heaven or after that and being the one true power with almost nothing to do it just went to sleep like the necrons did so that it could awaken during a time when the races of the galaxy where more plentiful and could more easily "feed" its appetite

[@midgetydeath]

Chaos was spawned by the first War in Heaven. This is already known. The first Chaos God awoke to self-awareness during Earth's Middle Ages thanks to all the shit happening there from a spiritually potent species being just enough to give as jolt to that first nascent Dark God. Considering human technology in the DAoT, it's safe to say humanity was one of the only species evolved enough to have any notable presence in the Warp relative to everyone else other than the Eldar, who at the time weren't generating energies that baby Warp entity would be interested in.

[@Elliphaz]

Maybe behind the veil trying to claw into existence is Malal =X

[@Nyghtking]

Well technically Malal is actually owned by some guys who were doing freelance work for games workshop, the reason you don't see him is because they would either have to buy the rights to him from those guys, file a lawsuit to claim the rights to him, or pay royalties to use him. Instead there are two other chaos gods used in his place called Zuvassin, an actual god of chaos, who undermines all plans and predictability, and Necoho, the god of atheism and disbelief.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@Nyghtking yeah but they exist in warhammer fantasy

[@Nyghtking]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 Yeah but so do the main four too, so it really depends if they would want to include them, though they would probably roll them both into one god for warhammer 40k.

[@malaltherenegadegod]

Elliphaz Hey, hey, hey... shhhh!

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

I think Tzeentch is the true master. His domain encompasses all entropy, which the others are just facets of. The Game creates motivation and competition, improving the results. When they're needed, Khorne, Nurgle, and Slaanesh will simply be reabsorbed.

[@Ajehy]

Ren9077 - except, if he ever beat them, he would cease to be. Truly he is the master, because all his plans must straddle victory and defeat, never completely succeeding or failing.

[@nosferatuzod4991]

I recommend listening or reading nearly every passage from Kor Phaeron as he almost always talks about Chaos as one entity the Primordial Annihilator. The Chaos gods are a personification of a broken mind fractured and fighting its self for stability. It is the human condition.

[@40KTheories]

The Aeldari and the Cabal also refer to Chaos as the Primordial Annihilator, though it could be argued that the term is just their fanciful term for 'Chaos' in general, like how humans refer to the forces of Chaos. But yes, valid point ^^

[@spencerschaepman7239]

In many ways, the now enthroned Great Horned Rat of the Age of Sigmar Chaos Pantheon is a manifestation of Chaos Undivided. The original four great clans of the Skaven (Verminus, Moulder, Skryre, and Pestilens) correlate to the four ruinous powers (Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, and Nurgle respectively). His princes, the Verminlords, manifest with domains correlating to the four ruinous powers. The Skaven themselves even match to the historic contextualization of undivided daemons being scavengers. What is missing, post Dark Imperium, is a 40k equivalent to the Great Horned Rat. An entity powerful enough to sit alongside the ruinous powers and which commands all of their domains, albeit with reduced potency, but terrifying in their ability to wield them all seamlessly. If only there were a powerful being, who is suffused with the power of all four ruinous powers and has been locked away in seclusion, unlocking the powers of the warp for 10,000 years, who has a history of finding gods unworthy and desiring new, more worthy ones... a Primarch perhaps? Yes, I'm suggesting Lorgar might want to declare himself a god. I don't think it's that far fetched. When all other divines fail you, what is left but to seek divinity in yourself?

[@bobross9581]

I dig it.

[@MrVictor1227]

I like it

[@akumaking1]

Interesting

[@Istillcantthinkofahandle]

"Seeking instead to follow a purer form of Chaos, in its unadulterated whole" Yes, and Abbadon is the Pope of this sect

[@internetzenmaster8952]

*_AND HIS NAME IS _**_-JOHN CENA-_**_ MALICE!!!_* *Insert John Cena theme here*

[@marktaylor526]

Doot do do Doot

[@1973Washu]

🎺🎺🎺🎺

[@lazymansload520]

But he doesn’t exist

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@lazymansload520 *THE GREATEST TRICK OF MALAL/MALICE WAS MAKE EVERYONE BELIEVES HE NEVER EXISTED*

[@AdarBlu]

*cough*Malal*cough*

[@julieanusman011]

Please do another video of Primarch Quotes that didn’t get quoted in the first video.

[@nicholas209]

There's a 40k fanfic (of sorts) called The Age of Dusk that has an interesting take on this. I say of sorts because it's actually 60k, mostly set around M56. In it, the various warp gods and entities are all fragments of some primordial being residing in the "deep warp" that is starting to wake up. As it does so, warp storms spread across the galaxy and the gods all begin to lose themselves as their powers return to this thing, called the Nex(insertinsanebabblinghere). If it manages to wake up fully the galaxy will basically dissolve. Fun times.

[@daemonofdecay]

I’d love for you to do a Theory video focusing just on the “undivided” primarchs and how the shift in GW’s lore away from undivided affects them and their daemonhood.

[@brandonaughtman9091]

With the rise of Ynnaid and The God of the Greater Good, you could say that at long last Both sides of Chaos are getting their fair share. Khorne would loose anything sense of honor in combat and just become the Blood God of a new War God starts to form. Chaos Gods of Disorder and the Chaos Gods of Order. I hope not, because the Chaos Gods NEED to see their better halfs.

[@ilesalmo7724]

In my opinion the Warhammer Fantasy's Horned Rat is or want's to be the Chaos God Undivided, since he/it has aspects from all of the other greater Chaos Gods. His worshipers are all about the Nurgle-like plague. They scheme, betray (and try to mutate) with the best Tzeench-sorcerers. Their warp-stone addiction would make Slaanesh proud. They also can induce Khornish war-frenzy in their slaves. Skaven are divided race of Chaos Undivided. On the other hand 40k surviving eldar gods seem to have a quite interesting relationship with chaos gods. Either they are aspects of the greater chaos-gods or were likely created (by the old ones?) as a "barrier" to keep the Chaos from getting Eldar worship. Khorne and Khaine seem to have some sort of connection. Nurgle and Isha are close weather Isha likes it or not. Tzeench and Cegorach like to scheme. Ynnead was created to destroy Slaanesh, and also while Ynnead is a god of death, Slaanesh is all about the French-language's "little death". The C'tan also have members that are similar to Chaos-gods.

[@absalomdraconis]

The Chaos Gods, I suspect, came to be shaped in the way they are by the emotional backlash to the War in Heaven, rather than being something that the Eldar Pantheon was created to explicitly prevent. Thus Khorn _originated_ as a dark parody & thus twin of Khaine, Tzeench to Cegorach, Nurgle to Isha (which I can only assume involved symbiotes, or bioweapons, or both).

[@superiorsoldier57]

The God of Chaos Undivided will be a Chaos version of the Emperor, spawned by the Imperial Cult.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

We have thst, it's called the emperor as he is now. He literally is becoming the very thing he tried to destroy and no one is quite sure how far his bull crap runs to know if this was the plan.

[@papanurgle8393]

1-Can I just know why you use that nightmare inducing image of Isha? My Wife doesn't look like a reject Princess Zelda Cosplayer who got her head trapped in a trash compacter. 2-As far as I can tell, Chaos Undivided is not an entity in the typical sense, it's the philosophical concept of Chaos itself, which all the Gods are facets of. So worshiping Chaos Undivided AS Chaos Undivided (Lorgar/Wordbearers Style) is basically embracing all of Chaos's forms, or seeing them as extensions of a greater whole, but by it's very nature it has no "directive" it's just a universal concept. In such a case a devotee will view the Gods as merely manifestations of Chaos through which one can know the Primordial Truth, so devotees may give due reverence to the Gods themselves, but they merely watch over Chaos itself. Interestingly enough, this helps explain why and how the Emperor was able to snag secrets and power from "the Gods" because he basically finessed/tricked/kicked enough ass to get to the secrets of Chaos itself, and from them learned how to do a bunch of the reality altering OP bullshit like soul splitting, Primarch Crafting and making Space marines. From what we've seen (seeing as the Warp has a non-linear relationship with time) the Gods have always "been" but don't "exist" or operate in our reality until the correct amount of emotions, concepts and reverence occur, to influence the Galaxy. Because it encompasses so many emotions or ideas, it can't pull itself from the depths of the Warp, and affect the World around it in any specific way and it likely never will. It's a lot like Azathoth in the regard, it's a Blind Idiot with no identity beyond it's ubiquitous symbol; the 8 pointed star.

[@mossing234]

That actually kind of sounds like one of the old beastman hero form warhammer fantasy. Has no mind yet desires, is unaware and yet finds shards of Gods to eat, it soul seems absent but when you look closely it becomes an infant spiral without a core. All it ever new was insatiable hunger.

[@JoseMejia-ni5ok]

Thats not your wife , you're not nurgle, just a cringey KZbin RPer

[@Recoil1808]

@@JoseMejia-ni5ok I can't tell if a /whooosh or a "stop having fun, guys" is more appropriate here...

[@JoseMejia-ni5ok]

@@Recoil1808 impersonating a great god is heresy.

[@dd11111]

"My Wife doesn't look like a reject Princess Zelda Cosplayer who got her head trapped in a trash compacter." this really got me, good one. also@Jose Mejia Would you like some ice for that burn?

[@MikeP5830]

Yooo just noticed the vid music was also used in a subscriber special showing the Emperor’s POV during the siege of terra

[@Peusterokos1]

Wot

[@jacobfreeman5444]

I think the Beast is just a way to refer to the totality of Chaos. It isn't a single conscious entity. It is the combined thoughts and emotions of all beings capable of adding to it. It has no will of its own but rather takes on the aspect of those connected to it. To me the Chaos Gods and the Demons are just what they are said to be. Lesser chunks of this greater whole, more self-aware because of their lesser nature. They have the luxury of sentience and sapience because they have defined limits which they can explore. The greater whole does not and so is just a churning mash of psychic detritus.

[@khorneberserker]

Nurgle doesn't stand for stagnation. As the God of Rebirth, Nurgle believes that everything should go it's own way, since it all comes to the same end... death. Thus, Nurgle despises the workings of Tzeentch, who wants to alter fate. This can be read in the Dark Imperium, Plague Wars. Can look up the exact page if you want.

[@Matt-md5yt]

A berserker making since? That is new.

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

moreover, Nurgle is the god of death and life. he wishes to spread disease, just as much to grow his garden. everything that lives, dies. and all that dies, feeds new life. he is the circle of life incarnate. even in his plagues of death, they are small lives of viruses and cells causing the death of one being to grow and multiply more life. if only more would realize the life that grandfather Nurgle grows, as a gardener and his garden.

[@MrMysticphantom]

Why is the Chaos God of Cuteness, Hello Kitticus, not mentioned.... Hello Kitticus is a smaller power of chaos, when slaneesh emerged Hello Kitticus was a benevolent god, whom was sucked into the chaos Maelstrom and was changed forever. It ideals of cuteness was still there but now perverted. It looked on the Human empire with disdain, all these darkness and fear inspiring architecture, Hello Kitticus would bring cuteness and loveliness back to the imperium even if it would be destroy it in the process. The bright cats space marine chapter would be the first to be converted. On the just liberated planet of Sanrio, Chapter commander Halokaton found a small cute statue, after the battle. He felt an unnatural attraction to this statue and secretly he took it with him as a spoil of war and hid it in his chamber. The following campaigns Hello Kitticus slowly corrupted the chapter commander, and Halo was converted to the ways of cuteness. He hid the idol at the chapter chapel and after him the chaplains were the first to convert. It was during the charmy campaign that the whole chapter changed and showed its "true" color, dropping their former chapter colors the marines emerged in a multitude of bright colors. Hello Kitticus was pleased and gave the marines the gift of its face. The chapter now renamed to the hello kitty chapter, massacred their allies in a cute fashion, who fled in confusion and disarray because of the mental anguish caused by the intolerable cuteness level. When the inquisition later came to investigate the planet, they were horrified to find joyfull happy people worshipping, idols of hello kitty, wearing cute clothes and accessories and had painted their cities in joyful colors, singing songs of praise for Hello Kitticus. The inquisition dealt accordingly with this heresy of worshipping a false god and ordered Exterminatus. But the Hello Kitty Chapter already had left for another planet to show the cute ways of Hello Kitticus.

[@Abdega]

Since Kitten now technically owns the soul of a Daemon Prince (Magnus) Wouldn’t he technically be a Chaos God? Could Kitten become a conduit for “Hello Kitticus” ?

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

you both sound like slaanesh heretics and shall be excommunicated and purged for heresy.

[@wolfblade40k89]

There's another cultist driven mad by tzeench guess I need to shoot it

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

*ALL HAIL HELLO KITTICUS*

[@ThomasTee]

Nya?

[@leatherjacket9]

As I write this, I notice your video blends 2 things. Chaos undivided daemons and the Ruinous unaligned chaos daemons. These are 2 different things I believe. Chaos undivided could be a fury which could align itself to a god like Isha. Where as Belakor, Lorgar, etc... Are unaligned Ruinous Daemons. I say this because Belakor is not undivided to every chaos God that exists in the warp, just unaligned to the Ruinous powers. I also say this to set aside the 4 ruinous powers from the other gods in the warp. With that being said... I've believed for some time now, that the 4 major chaos gods are 4 sides of the same square. Each side is forever at odds with one another, but form the same whole. The square itself. What is this whole though? It is as one but at the same time is not, if each side is not truly connected. Each side forming what seems to be a square of ruin but never seeming to fully connect with one another, forever pulling and pushing at one another, but always coming back to 4 sides opposed to one another. This is the simplest way to describe the chaos of the Ruinous powers and the potentiality of being undivided. Although to speak on them being undivided but unaligned; I look at their uniqueness aside from any other chaos god. The 4 major chaos gods (as we call them) are actually the Ruinous powers. Those gods that bring things to ruin. Other chaos gods don't necessarily bring about ruin. Because of this, I believe the Ruinous Powers can actually and unwittingly coalesce their Ruinous powers into a greater, unconscious and unselfaware being that I would dub as Thee "Ruinous God". The Ruinous God would be the Ruinous powers undivided. But this god will never know consciousness or full awakening because of the great game and the 4 sides of the Ruinous Powers always being at odds with one another. Which thankfully helps keep the Galaxy relatively safe. This division I think causes the ruinous powers to be their own ruin. A "ruin" that keeps the Ruinous God from ever fully coming into being (at least for long). If the Ruinous Powers ever aligned completely as one, the universe may actually fall to "Ruin". ...hmm maybe that should be the name of the "Ruinous God" (the manifestation of the Ruinous gods working in concert). Ruin, The complete and utter embodiment of ruin. 🤔😯😋 Maybe this is how GW could progress the story line of chaos.

[@Arphemius]

Before watching the video, I'd like to theorize a bit: I always envisioned chaos as a being into itself. Only so vast and ancient that no one could possibly comprehend it, not even the Chaos Gods themselves. If I recall correctly, the Gods are only a few tens of thousands of years old. They would be like infants compared to something that existed since the dawn of time. It's always seemed weird to me that the warp has never spawned any Chaos Gods before the 4 current ones. I know that it was influenced heavily by the actions of the Old Ones, or rather, the ones opposing them, but how do we know that they in turn really are the first beings? And the 4 are only active in one minuscule galaxy in a vastly greater universe - yet the warp couldn't be similarly constrained if it was one of the foundational powers of the universe, right? Maybe these supposedly omnipotent and ancient entities that we call Gods are nothing but tiny and almost unnoticeable parasites sitting in the flesh of something impossibly huge, on a universal scale. Maybe Chaos Gods pop up in one galaxy or another every once in a while when the warp is disturbed, siphoning off psychic energy, fashioning themselves aspects of life itself - until the warp extends some level of its attention to them and swallows them back up as if they're nothing. Wouldn't it be fitting that in the grim darkness of the 40k universe, even gods are nothing but slightly bigger ants that could, at any time, be stepped on?

[@johnohara4788]

Damn way to turn the cosmic horror up by a million, but if I stop to think about it the Chaos gods getting yeeted out of existence by an even more powerful Chaos entity that just fucks off immediately after is probably good for the Imperium. Unless that entity has already been shown and is just the Tyranids

[@matics453]

Hmmm this Theory got me thinking that , what if the "Great Beast" is just the Warp it self. Now here me out. We know that the chaos gods are the part of the warp. So could this in turn mean that the chaos gods combined are the warp. The warp is perhaps not a different plain of existence but is an Entity and could be the so called Chaos God of Undivided. And perhaps the Four major chaos Gods are just its split personalities or Essence. *OR* I could be entirely wrong about this and might have drinked way to much Coffee. I also have a suggestion for a theory in the future if u would like, Could the Chaos Gods come out of the warp and sort a say walk in the material world?

[@absalomdraconis]

The "Great Beast" would not be the Warp (or Immaterium), but instead would be Chaos. Chaos exists within the Warp, but rather than being the Warp itself, Chaos is a "topography" or "weather" that the Warp can be _shaped into._ This is why the -frog geezers- Old Ones were able to use the Eldar to create their pantheon before Chaos existed: the Warp _did_ already exist, and was just as malleable then as in 40k, it just hadn't yet been shaped into the "rivers" that form the Chaos Gods (which, you might have noticed, seem to bear some passing resemblance to the Eldar pantheon: the pantheon was pruned, landscaped, massaged, engineered, and otherwise shaped into forms deemed useful for the designs of the Old Ones, whereas Chaos wasn't intentionally shaped at all).

[@enold4ever]

The term "consumed by hatred" comes to mind. What if the entire warp is the mind of one being, the pantheon of order and chaos representing different characteristics of that mind? The constant struggle between the gods representing the mind struggling for unity while always being threatened to be consumed by one of the base emotions of chaos.

[@Kaneisback2]

I always thought a type of chaos god could be the hivemind of the Tyranids, the one that casts the 'shadow in the warp'. Would kinda make sense. More sense than the horned rat from sigmar becoming a chaos god anyway.

[@Dima072181]

Alright Warsmith time....the innate nature of Chaos is not that it resist order, it is that it orders itself based on the emotional spectrum of the sentient races of the galaxy. Chaos can thus be seen as inherently the soul of existence rather than the parasitic atrocity most view it as. In truth if each God represents a fragment of the psionic essence of life then it is theoretically possible that they can amalgamate into a singular entity. However....the inherent opposition within this spectrum would result in a complete imbalance. Chaos is unfortunately life...growth, sensation, rage and ultimately decay, as a unified being it would need the ruinous powers to understand once more why they actually exist.

[@TheMasaoL]

Heretic

[@mikemerchant9242]

Well said, one thing that people forget is, that chaos is the natural order of things.

[@Anaverageguy41]

"The innate nature of Chao....." *BLAM* None of that chaos talk in my imperium son

[@Dima072181]

@Audio Sugar the innate nature of Chaos is that since it is literally the collective psionic emissions of reality/realities it does not and cannot function as a completely unified entity, perhaps in the time of the Old Ones when the Warp was still calm then maybe the first Daemonic entities may have been unified but even then that is doubtful

[@johnohara4788]

The only problem I have with this is that the Chaos Gods, barring maybe Nurgle and even that’s a stretch, have literally no redeeming qualities and embody no positive emotions even though those do exist even in the 41st Millennium. They’re less a reflection of emotions and more a perversion of them they are parasitic, they take and take and take, but give nothing even they’re gifts are really just ways to take even more in the future they are by the definition of they’re actions parasites

[@officialmasqq_594]

1:45 *"some of these deities that have manifested from the Warp appear to be compassionate or beneveolent"* Yep, and badly drawn apparently

[@dramaexterminatus]

Lmao I thought the same. Absolutely horrific, good good. Some kind of slaneeshi creation for sure.

[@EmpPeng2k7]

Interesting theory. My thinking is that Chaos undivided is literally the warp with all the swirling energy being its consciousness, perhaps manipulating the chaos gods as they manipulate Belacore

[@insanebuffoon3492]

My opinion: all the entities of the Warp, including the four major Chaos gods, are but aspects, fragments of the god of Chaos undivided, which, by definition, embodies all the aspects of Chaos, which are in turn embodied by the Ruinous Powers.

[@hunterstrong3318]

As a chaos undivided fan, i love the thrill of the potential here

[@seelenverkaufer4861]

I love your videos Remy!

[@Arphemius]

His name is Remy?

[@seelenverkaufer4861]

@@Arphemius well.... its Remleiz.... so technically no. I was just trying to be cool. :(

[@Arphemius]

@@seelenverkaufer4861 Oh, okay. I just stopped for a second because an image of him as Remi, the rat from Ratatouille, speaking into a microphone about 40k flashed through my mind. Haha

[@dmitriygryaznov9210]

This video got me thinking: from what I heard all human civilizations that worshiped Chaos only stayed from degenerating into something primitive (or completely moving into the Warp) if they worshiped Chaos Undivided rather than one of its four aspects. If we go to non-humans, the not dysfunctional Laer are an exception, but their accomplishments seem to be dwarfed by the ones of the Saruthi, who did not seem to be worshiping any Chaos Gods in particular. Could it signify that a harmonious relationship with all aspects of the Great Beast is the only way to avoid self-destruction? Preventing yourself from being consumed by one aspect because you will always be pulled away from that by three others? On a related note, could you make a vid on "not disfunctional" civilizations that embraced Chaos Worship? Some of them seemed to have their alluring qualities, such as the "no Emperor, no Primarchs, only men" vision expressed in the cathedrals of Eustis Majoris (from the Ravenor novels). Not that I feel sympathetic, Inquisitor, I just crave understanding of the enemy!

[@boonee5239]

Love the new intro, Keep up the good work man.

[@StylesV13]

If Drach'nyen is a demon so powerful that not even the Emperor can destroy it.... wouldn't that make it a Chaos God. Albeit a minor God.

[@Abdega]

3:57 could you do a video on Necoho? On a tangential note, I would like to see how Necoho would interact with the Emperor, Or the Primarchs

[@jonathandavies1716]

Emperor: You do not excist. Necoho: You are correct, I don't.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

I imagine Necoho yelling very loudly at Emps about how he was hell-bent on wiping out religion and yet ended up as a God himself. *Necoho:* "YOU. HAD. ONE. JOB." *Big E:* "1) I blame Lorgar. 2) You don't exist, so shut up."

[@Abdega]

@Internet Zen Master If in TTS I like to imagine that he’s paying a visit to the Emperor and Magnus tries to out him, but nobody believes him. Magnus: FATHER! There is a WARP ENTITY in the Golden Palace Emp: Yeah, you Magnus: NO, I mean THAT! Dorm: Do not point Magnus, it is rude. Uncle Nicky, are you a warp entity? Necoho: Nope Magnus: OF course he wouldn’t admit it! He represents disbelief! … (Wait you call him Uncle Nicky?) Emp: That sounds dumb Necoho: Really dumb Dorn: A being made of beliefs, representing disbelief is dumb Magnus Magnus:I… but…

[@beastwarsFTW]

Well Horned Rat is a fusion of all the other vices and he's weaker them the weakest of them.

[@steveballinger9643]

The thought of a higher undivided god to add to this already incredible foursome would be a master stroke indeed 👌

[@dionjaywoollaston1349]

Steve Ballinger slanessh”did somebody say foursome?”

[@TheBanditKingKir]

I can't unhear "Chaos UndiVIded."

[@lordcrabby197]

Love the new intro. I wonder if Gw will give u a job or lest a miniature of your charcter. Proud of you. This quality of this video amazing.

[@knappingtheself]

Remmy thanks for tge upload a bad day made a wee bit better 😀

[@jonathancortez3003]

I know I'm late in this but I'll still say it. Remleiz, great job on the new intro

[@miggiraed.raquinel8867]

It's Arioch of course.....oh wait wrong universe

[@Arphemius]

_Gasp_ Or is it? *mind blown*

[@miggiraed.raquinel8867]

@@Arphemius oh right it is the multiverse after all

[@Arphemius]

@@miggiraed.raquinel8867 Exactly! Could be yet another universe in the endless multiverse that is torn apart in the battle between chaos and order. Wonder who the eternal champion in 40k would be... Big E? One of the primarchs? Ciaphas Cain?

[@013wolfwarrior]

There are four chaos gods, and they all heave their opposites, Khorne against Slaneesh, Nurgle against Tzeents, but even those who arent necessary opposites still view each other as either rivals or enemies. Because of this there's balance. They fight against each other becase thats what opposites do but I dont think their ultimate goal would be to remove the other one because that could cause a massive power vacuum and dissbalance and whom Does know what will happen after that.

[@Kieral100]

The great beast is emperor -> chaos gods are just manifestations of his suppressed desires, other side of the coin.

[@hughgedney3393]

Great video 40k Theories, also today is my birthday, also my fan made character the Great Darkness Emperor was created by human worshipers who worship darkness as a believe during the late years of the Dark Age of Technology

[@axios4702]

Man i love your new intro

[@matrimalviarin5043]

This is the video I've been waiting for

[@kennethbedwell5188]

What about the enslavers being part of chaos undivided?

[@papanurgle8393]

Enslavers are probably an extra-dimensional daemon like entity. They're a very specific Daemon born from the fears and concerns of the Old Ones, as such "Chaos" likely have no sway on them directly... well those who are left. At best they're consumed by a greater Chaos Power or drift within the tides of the Warp.

[@robertnelson9599]

The enslavers, psychenuein, and other creatures are natural inhabitants of the Warp. They are not formed from the emotions of material entities like daemons and chaos gods.

[@the_dropbear4392]

Enslavers are warp entities but not deamons

[@internetzenmaster8952]

@@robertnelson9599 "Natural inhabitants of the Warp." The fact that the Enslavers & co. are the natural inhabitants of the Warp makes me seriously consider whether or not the forces of Chaos are an improvement over the original natives.

[@phreakazoith2237]

@Internet Zen Master as far as I understood the timeline warp was a calm and friendly Domain before the great four awoke. so I think it's legit to say it was no improvement to have them awoken from our fears and drives.

[@Avi_Imperator]

I don’t know if I haven’t watched in awhile but awesome new intro

[@highlandoutsider8148]

It would make an interesting parallel with the idea that the primarchs are facets of the emperor, the chaos god's being the separate parts of one gods psyche

[@alexandergerdes4746]

Well you could ask the question "Is there one great god of chaos undivided?" the other way around. While the four gods are inherently different to each other, chaos is by its very name a power and a concept that defies such orderly and structured separation. So the question might be : "Is there any possibility that there is no entity of chaos undivided which may or may not is the sum of all four gods." For the four themselves with all their random mutations and ever shifting forms are structured and ordered concepts which is by definition of the raw power of chaos anathema to itself.

[@nickandres7829]

I feel like due to the nature of Chaos, it always needs internal conflict. I feel if one god was able to conquer and absorb the others, either new gods would rise to resist them, or they would split back into several gods. When I played a Tzeench army, I always liked fighting other Chaos opponents, since I feel Tzeench more than any other the others, needs Chaos to be divided to be aat their strongest.

[@GiggsTheWanderer]

What if the reason the men of iron turned against humanity was to prevent the chaos gods from being created?

[@minimalphilia]

If chaos were or can be united/organized... it wouldn't be chaos anymore.

[@mineskullhd2692]

brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "he will not divide us"

[@dracoslayer16]

So, could it be that each time a new chaos god is born, a part of "The Great Beast" separates and gains it's own consciousness? Or could it be more like a Hydra, sprouting a new head where the heads constantly bicker with each other on which gets to eat the next meal.

[@s0n___791]

Love it. The great beast sounds plausible.

[@Neoentrophy]

0:29 Start - love the videos

[@robertnelson9599]

YES! I ASKED 40K THEORIES FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@blkbrdmntrvimes6438]

A lot of us asked for this video and are just as pleased with it

[@masterspookums6506]

Nurgle was more about despair. When the Black Plague came, people lost hope. Same what happened to to Death Guard. And why they turned, they were forced into worship.

[@UserRedZero]

“Second rendition of the 3rd edition codex” So...the 3.2 edition? Or 3.5 edition?

[@40KTheories]

Yes

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

I started out a big fan of the loyalist forces, especially the salamanders and imperial fists, but the more I learn about chaos and all the metafiction that can be played with, I find myself having so much more fun with chaos.

[@cianmannion1752]

Love the new intro

[@lordorion5776]

love the new intro

[@carolheward6479]

Isha was initially created by the old ones alongside khaine etc to lead the eldar against the necrons etc. These eldar gods were warp based weapons that were sentient and very powerful. They had various roles like khaine was the leader and warrior where as isha would have been more like a medic. They were altered by the warp being churned up by masses of living beings having more and more effect on the warp. This activity made the sentient warp weapons more self aware and gave them personalities. So in the example of the eldar it would have been changed by the warp but they were created artificially. These sentient weapons were warp based because the warp was opposite to the ctaan that were fighting the old ones. Good vid

[@fiole666]

Nice thinking. I've always was a fan of chaos undivided in Warhammer Battle. But it's true that in 40k it is not a thing. It does exit (furies) but it's not a topic. 4 gods and that's all. Very interesting to collect/play/or even think of a force of followers of the Chaos in general, not one of the 4 god. Paradox. I would like to see more Chaos inner struggles included into the 40k rules and codices (SMC and Daemons & Herertics).

[@Will91289]

Regarding the individual gods merely being facets of a greater being that play against each other there is actually a novel series (only read the first one) called the Inquisition War Trilogy which was written in the early 1990s which depict The Emperor as having become a multi faceted individual with each mental facet acting distinctly independently and in occasion against each other facet.

[@williamsharman5839]

Liking the new into bro

[@chimera916]

I remember another canonic chaos minor god: ATAGROS, god of beasts, were creatures and beastmen. He is allied with both Khorne and Tzenetch and despise Nurgle

[@millburray6676]

Fanbase: Hey Geedubs, can we have some solidarity and conciseness in the lore? Geedbus: Naawh Homey.

[@R.J.MacReady1982]

Wow. Very interesting!

[@timfidotru]

There is a definitive answer in the lore on this one: the god of Chaos Undivided is Tzeentch: during the War in Heaven, he was a sole major God, and was later split into many shards by the other gods and general chaotic nature of Chaos. Ordinary Tzeentch and Tzeentch Undivided are not the same entities, and most aspects of the latter are paradoxical.

[@40KTheories]

What's your source on this, if I may ask?

[@the_dropbear4392]

Tzeench shattered his power at some point. But I'm pretty sure that none of the chaos gods were around then (not counting the always existed and never existed warp shenanigans)

[@timfidotru]

@@40KTheories Well, it's not as definitive as I put it of course, but Old Tzeench is a pretty good candidate... There is also a mention of this on this page: 1d4chan.org/wiki/Chaos_Gods#When_Tzeentch_was_the_best

[@astupidface1645]

I didn’t see the new intro until now!

[@WowItsErin]

Personally I find it extremely unlikely that one of the chaos gods could *consume* one another without utterly obliterating their own persona. A chaos god isn't a mere entity, it's the manifestation of one of the Milky Way Galaxy's various emotional states: Tzeentch being hope/ambition, Khorne being humility/rage, Nurgle being acceptance/sickness, and Slaanesh being joy/lust. Unlike the minor pantheons of the various Xenos races, in order to kill these beings you would have to purge these emotions from every being in the galaxy. Therefore if (for example) Khorne were to defeat Slaanesh, one of two things would happen: each and every being in the galaxy would stop feeling joy, lust, etc. OR, Khorne would have to add these traits to his own Divine Portfolio and personality. The only way any of these gods wouldn't instantly redivide themselves in disgust with their own being is if it were one of the "friendly rival" pairs (i.e. Tzeentch/Slaanesh and Khorne/Nurgle). And the likelihood that any conflict between those given pairs would be fatal is pretty low.

[@absalomdraconis]

The victor wouldn't _have to_ add the whole of the loser to their own portfolio, but certainly they would add some. The rest would likely just be taken by the other survivors (including Princes and other lesser Warp entities), with the left-overs spawning new unaligned daemons.

[@dyefield2712]

Neat intro. I like it.

[@mushputato]

It's the Great Horned Rat. Abaddon the Man-Thing is nothing but-but the bootlick of the best and greatest Chaos God.

[@christopherg2347]

As this is chaos, both theories apply. And neither. They can certainly function as both 4 seperate gods and 1 larger god. And both at the same time. They are like Quantum Particles that became sentient and *actively* *try* to be as mindfuckingly hard to understand as possible.

[@godzilladestroyscities1757]

Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne!

[@Nyrufa]

If the GODS of CHAOS are the physical embodiment of their respective portfolios, then the idea of there being a god of chaos undivided makes sense. By virtue of being the god of schemes, Tzeench should be fully aware of every strategy and plot that any of the other chaos gods could possibly use within the great game. Khorne and his followers can't be as blood thirsty as they are, without opening themselves up to the influence of Slaanesh as the god of excess and gluttony. Those who strive to achieve immortality would also fall within Nurgle's influence, regardless of what other deity they have sworn themselves to. And as long as the chaos gods continue to throw wave after wave of expendable worshipers at each other on a constant basis, they are only feeding the power of Khorne. In other words, all of the CHAOS GODS blend into each other in some way or another. So of course there's a possibility that they could be unified as a singular entity!

[@tomtommerson6320]

The new intro sounds like someone is breaking down the door, and the choir is trying to finish quickly.

[@diegocamacho6477]

I think the Great Beast is in a state similar to Ynniad or Pre-Fall Slaanesh. It has not yet been born/become sentient, but if/when it does, due to how time works in the Warp, it will be retconned in-universe to have always existed. Chaos itself given sentience, with al the Chaos Gods, both the Big Four and the minor Chaos entities, becoming it’s aspects. I think Lorgar’s endgame is to either become or spawn the Great Beast. To give the unharmonious orchesta that is the Warp a conductor. To trully unite Chaos.