The Goedendag Is No Joke

[@ModernRogue]

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[@dominicesquivel3901]

You guys should do Hailbirds next!

[@evilcanofdrpepper]

I think you should gather a bunch of those historical weapons and other things you made, sterilize them with alcohol (preferably cheap brandy) and otherwise clean them up then get a full pig rib cage with all the meat still on it to test them on. You can get a good idea of how much damage they could do to flesh. After you are done you can have a Texan style luau with it or something similar where you have a pitmaster there to give tips and such for how to do that. It would also give you an excuse to give weapons to all your guests though I feel like the pig poking would happen one day and the luau would be the day after giving you a good 18 hours to roast it right. If you wanted to go really far you might be able to rig the pig back up to gush BBQ sauce out if the wound gets too deep/bad. you could even invite a batch of youtubers there for it!

[@paulweerheim]

You should try the Goedenmorgen: the good morning. Its basically this but with a chain on the end connected to a ball with spikes.

[@MrLogo1002]

intro shouldve been " this week on the modern rogue, we actually do something dangerous and cool!"

[@gothnate]

You should do a test against modern body armor. I don't think it would do much to a Level III since that's hardened to stop up to a .308 round, but against soft armor it should be effective.

[@naxmorvigatore4168]

As Shadversity and also Anthony from the historical weapons guild right there once said 'never underestimate the power of a wooden stick'

[@velazquezarmouries]

A godendag is just an augmented stick

[@risharddaniels1762]

@@velazquezarmouries many melee weapons are just a stick or something on a stick. Spear? That’s just a sharp stick. Mace? Ball on a stick. Sword? Blade on a stick. Nunchucks? Two sticks chained together.

[@daniellinares4960]

@@risharddaniels1762 Iconic phrases

[@camejko]

@@risharddaniels1762 yes but nun chucks are crap

[@devikwolf]

Shad would be proud

[@leppeppel]

I love how in the beginning, you've got Brian who knows nothing, Jason who's done a little research, Cory who's done a bit more, and Anthony who clearly knows way more than the rest put together but is politely not going off on an hour long tangent about knights, armour, weapons, 13th century combat...

[@laughoutloud7844]

Man's classy for sure.

[@thepokemontrainer6094]

Medieval ages is more complicated than you think, i used to be the same trust me! I used to think the middle ages was like what is shown in the movies but its more epic than expected like theirs so much info that i cant even explain. This is why as a writer im trying to create various stories as historically accurate as possible.

[@reggiep75]

Ahh.. The Goedendag! Takes my back to my childhood days, when me and a friend were connoisseurs of 'pointy stick kill weapons' having enjoyed reading a book on medieval weapons and proceeded to make a set of them in craft classes only to have the pointy bits un-pointy'd by the scoundrel known as Mr Groves! Damn you, Mr Groves!!

[@F15ElectricEagle]

Can relate. It appears there's a Mr. Grove in the woodshop class of every school. It seems every student was working on two projects during class. The regular assigned project (such as a birdhouse, wood frame wall mirror, etc.) when the teacher was looking, and a personal medieval black project (i.e. swords, battle axes, mace and shields) when the teacher wasn't looking. The teacher new about this and we new he new. There was an unspoken rule that he'll look the other way as long as we didn't overdue it, such as attaching a metal ball with bolts screwed into it as in the case with my morning star.

[@vythe1794]

The moment they remembered that Anthony is a professional weapon enthusiast was when he pierced the melon and the wooden table.

[@wugadawoo]

No kidding. The double overhand at 11:25 is a nice reminder too

[@thatguybrody4819]

to be fair that looks like plywood that's been both left in the rain and had a fire lit on it for a solid minute.

[@UNPROFOR1994]

Known from the battle of the Golden Spurs in Flanders Courtrai in 1302. While the enemy came charging on horseback, the Flemings knelt down in front of the horse. They planted their goedendag diagonally in the ground and pointed the point of the weapon at the chest of the onrushing horse. The animal crushed itself on the steel pin that penetrated deep into the chest, succumbed to the injury and succumbed to its knees. This made it appear as if the horse was kneeling and saying "good day."

[@InvictusByz]

A neat story, that some historians have supported, but highly unlikely and not widely supported these days. A goedendag is supposed to be 3-5 feet long, you can't brace that to aim for a horse's chest and not get crushed by the horse when it comes down. A person's not strong enough to just *stop* it, the weapon braced into the ground would at best deflect the animal. With a larger spear you've got enough separation that it will usually not impact the wielder, but proper spears for use against cavalry were easily twice that size.

[@wobblysauce]

Twice the size is for the saftey of the welder.

[@BlackSoap361]

@@InvictusByz how many peasants could you lose to take out a single knight?

[@InvictusByz]

@@BlackSoap361 well remember, in the strategy in the original comment you're not aiming for the rider, you're going for the horse. Best case scenario you trade 1 peasant for 1 horse, and the knight may or may not be able to get up and fight on foot.

[@InvictusByz]

@@flaccidpancake5793 From what I've read, this is likely more accurate. Its either this one, or the one about greetings and accents most likely.

[@burpitola]

ive counted 5 different stories as to why these are called Goedendags now and they all sound credible

[@jonasbekaert2889]

It is actually called a "goedendag" because you would stab where the chin would be just under the helmet. This action would tilt the victims head back after which you would pull it out which would make the head fall back down. This would result in a knodding motion which is a non verbal way to say hello in our parts of Europe. I live in Belgium we learned about this in Middle school those were some fun days.

[@AnymMusic]

I thought it was just a then-era shitpost. injure someone horrifically and tell em to have a good day

[@majakk7462]

Dat heb ik nooit op school geleerd hoor haha

[@guppie19833]

This is actually correct. And in Amerika or other parts where they lived, the cowboys did it to with a little knot of the head and a grab by the rim of the cowboy hat with the thumb and indexfinger.

[@jonasbekaert2889]

@@majakk7462 verkeerde school dan 😉

[@Geerice]

@@guppie19833 That would be the new world variant of the weapon, the howdy'all

[@Rocknoob49]

Little addition: Lots of Goedendags we see had kind of a flared base after the stick, like a round plate the size of a hand or so. That would definitely stop a horse from sliding down your spear. As long as the handle held and you had it braced, you should definitely be able to stop a rider with it

[@thegreatestpepe]

To be fair, modern cars are basically made of tinfoil, knights would be a hell of a lot tougher. But there were War Picks and such back in the day that were designed for piercing armor so it certainly would do something.

[@bvoyelr]

This. I'd think the frame would be a closer analogue to historical plate mail than the panels, though I'm not sure any part of a modern car comes close.

[@joeojeda4651]

Not really knight armor was usually between 2 to 4mm thick generally. Also our modern steel is better so it's hard to judge, most armor reproductions use mild steel as well :(

[@thegreatestpepe]

@@joeojeda4651 Modern cars often have aluminum doors, hoods, and roofs. Which was the stuff being stabbed. Only the frames are made of actual steel (the stuff a knight's armor was made from, and the quality of steel can vary as well) I'm sure the Guoedendag was at least somewhat effective against armor, most war pick type weapons were. I just found it funny they used a (probably tinfoil) honda to demonstrate =P

[@SteelSkin667]

@@thegreatestpepe Usually the body panels on economy cars of that vintage are made of steel as well, but it can be fairly thin for non-structural parts. Aluminium is expensive!

[@Igor369]

Also as far as I know cars are not padded from inside...

[@etherdark]

I would imagine that during the time period that these were developed there was more chainmail in use than actual plate armor. Also brigandine/coat of plates would be not uncommon. These would be pretty effective against those forms of armor.

[@windwalker5765]

The Flemish used them to effect against plate armored French knights. Knocked them off horseback and 2-3 guys just beat them before they could get up.

[@etherdark]

@@windwalker5765 Oh I dont doubt that was the case. I was just thinking about how much more common chain/brig was in the 1200's as plate, or full plate was still in early days around 1250. It would be effective against that too.

[@PauloGarcia-sp5ws]

@@etherdark It would probably be effective against almost anything. It's essentially a mace spear. Pretty spooky combo, similar to a halberd.

[@42NewGuy]

The late 13th to 14th centuries were definitely times of change and experimentation in medieval armor. However French knights at the Battle of Golden Spurs in 1302 would have mostly been armored as follows: padded gambeson, padded cap, a long chainmail hauberk covering the neck to the hands and knees, chainmail chausses covering the legs, a chainmail coif covering the head and upper torso, square iron/steel plates mounted to the shoulders called ailettes, a helmet (likely a great helm), and of course their knightly golden spurs. Those french knights might have also started to incorporate plate armor protection on their lower legs to deflect blows from infantry. On the other side, the flemish militiamen were usually armored according to their guild's regulations or their standing in society. From art of the time, they typically had (at the very least): An open-faced/kettle helmet, a covering of padded fabric or mail for their necks, and iron or mail gauntlets to protect their hands from, well, hand strikes. While we don't see brigandine armor emerge until the late-14th century, coats of plates were ,as you thought, fairly common. However, I have not seen art or sources depicting this type of armor being used during the Franco-Flemish War of the early 14th century. I believe coats of plates were most common in German territories of this time. Source: The Battle of the Golden Spurs by Verbruggen

[@VeraTR909]

In Dutch the word is more often assiociated with a Morningstar or Flail, but these things are all related ofcourse. The ingredients just include: Stick, weight, spike(s) and your day will be over after getting hit by one.

[@SomeLoops]

More often wrongly associated, yes.

[@ClintonAllenAnderson]

Seems like it would be a pretty decent fallback melee weapon in a Zombie Apocalypse

[@animula6908]

I confirm I feel confident I could kill zombies with this. Would also be great to fend off pit bulls

[@taylorarnold880]

Fallback? More like primary.

[@willcaddy2766]

"it definitely went all the way in, and its got juiciness coming out" is now my favourite quote ever

[@dustinthewind357]

I think Making one out of a wheelbarrow handle, 2 large door hinges, and a roofing punch would be the most durable and effective

[@Wyklepheph]

This guy wheelbarrows

[@tuffjiggly8566]

"Sir, would you like a spear or club for battle?" " *YES* "

[@treep1gg]

It's been a while since Brian's said "Go away bad guy/guys."

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Sounds to me like his life hasn't been endangered enough lately. Time to hire some discount thugs and raid the compound.

[@windwalker5765]

"They had knights in full-on metal gear." A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR

[@MichaelHuikeshoven]

pointy spike on a stick go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@paladonis]

Snake: "Okay. i have my pointy weapon and my cardboard box! Bring it on Metal Gear and Liquid!"

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Goedendag actually sounds like a weapon from Metal Gear. Probably a uranium tipped, shoulder launched guided missile or rail gun round.

[@iliaselbekkali4460]

I’ve been watching since I was twelve I’m about to go to college now nothing but love for you goobers

[@patrickelan4256]

Cool beans

[@semorebutts2584]

Wow. I didn't know they made videos that long ago.

[@kori228]

@@semorebutts2584 I don't think Modern Rogue's been around that long, but Brian used to (and still does?) do stuff on Scam School on Revision3 a while back.

[@floogon_gameing6987]

The Goedendag is my favorite medieval weapon! I'm really glad you guys coveted it

[@Catnippy]

brian freaking out in slow motion is always so funny

[@finneganlefebvre8539]

Hey boys! Love your videos! Thanks for being here for us all! I've been with you since Scam School. Loved watching your evolution. See you in the next one! Finn

[@cyth5366]

This brings me back to when they tested the mill wall brick… almost makes me wanna watch them make it all og style

[@isaacgraff8288]

Good day SIR! There are lots of theories about this weapon. A lot of them are fun. I do like that even back then, it was cheap to make. It is a sturdy stick with a metal cap and a spike. Not exactly high craftsmanship. Yet it was incredibly effective and easy to learn.

[@TheNukedNacho]

So, they called firearms “cordless long-distance hole-punching technology.” This is the “cordless short-distance hole-punching technology”

[@danielf5622]

3:19 made me nervous how Brian was pointing/ semi-poking Jason I already saw te injury counter being reset😂😂

[@AnymMusic]

gotta love the lowkey stereotype of Dutch = german accent 😂

[@MichaelHuikeshoven]

2:09 No back in the Dutch days we would go to the Gamma, Karwei Or Praxis for this stuff.

[@tishhyde6778]

LOL "Do you wanna give it to a grown-up or do you want to bash it?" First time I've seen you guys, hitting subscribe for the LOLs.

[@KXNGPavel]

yet another thing to add to the "apocalypse might happen" arsenal.

[@jglaser100]

I had to google boar spear, because I realized that I had never seen one, and the cross guard is not nearly as large as I expected.

[@salz_]

The best war cry ever heard! "Howdy, y'all!"

[@TheDragonArtist97]

Fun that they don't pronounce "Goedendag" with the hard G, but I can accept that it ain't easy to pronounce. (As an Irishman living in the Netherlands)

[@chetmcgovern9985]

So is it with a hard G like GO -den -dag...or a soft one? Like... Jo -den -dag I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I am legitimately interested in how that's pronounced

[@beedlethebeard2766]

@@chetmcgovern9985 The "hard G" would actually be the last g in "dag", but since they mentioned it was used in a Flemish war, it's more likely that the pronounciation started with a "soft G" for both the first "g" and the last "g". Which is much more common in the South of the Netherlands (and the area that is now Flanders in Belgium). It is tricky to explain without an auditory example, but it's like an exhalation of breath in which you close the back of the throat a bit more to create the "g" sound. Off the top of my head there isn't a proper similar pronounciation in English.

[@kori228]

youtube is going to keep deleting my comment if I put the IPA (international phonetic alphabet) symbols, but look up wiktionary for thr modern dutch pronunciation

[@MichaelHuikeshoven]

it should be a medium G, soft g are more common to the lower parts of the Netherlands and Belgium.

[@chetmcgovern9985]

I appreciate all your help

[@kovokkovariki]

"QUICK, POKE HIM WITH THE OL' HEYHOWYADOIN'!"

[@guntertorfs6486]

And the Flemish won the battle they were used in for the first time : the battle of ' The Golden Spurs ' in 1302. ( near Kortrijk , West Flanders )

[@katbairwell]

Always a good day when Anthony comes to play!

[@It-b-Blair]

This is a fantastic 5min craft!

[@rallen7660]

You guys should drop by FMA farm supply and pick up a brushhook. Totally medieval. And satisfying.

[@NinjaGuyPhD]

Just think of the power if they swung it like a sledge hammer. Also how Brian said months so they edited the ad to say weeks. It's great.

[@doomyboi]

"Howdy Y'All" feels like a very, *very* fitting translation for this weapon

[@parsaghorbani20]

1:24 i think what cory said is german and not dutch. in german it's guten tag but in dutch it's goedendag which is pronounced like khooden dakh. kh is like the sound some people make when laughing. idk if english speaking people usually know how kh sounds.

[@TheCyanWool]

tbf taking weapons to a date is like. not uncommon. especially for women. its the same thing as making sure friends have knowledge of where it is and how long roughly you intend to be there on the first one, cause you are making yourself very vulnerable to someone you likely don't know, and the statistics in the US aren't exactly an enjoyable read.

[@johnbeauvais3159]

Always carry a knife with you, in case there’s cheesecake Or you meet someone that needs to be stabbed

[@nicholaspuckett7839]

They've definitely got some big stick energy going on.

[@setholsen7096]

It's essentially a stick with a metal bit on the end.

[@KevinLockamy]

I typed dagger date into my browsers search box and literally the first result was AHWG's page explaining, what sounds like to me, just how far you can legally take a lovers quarrel.

[@sirkai007]

I love that Anthony from AHWG is basically a crew member now.

[@Gunbudder]

I love knight guy on the far left. all of the videos you do with him are great. he's a badass

[@soup5344]

Imagine sitting in traffic and someone runs at your car with this and just fights the car for a solid 30 seconds and then just leaves

[@Lalondeist]

Now imagine thousands of serfs whipping these around the square

[@aaronyoung8301]

Now you just need to build one "the hard way": find a small tree, work it so it's 5 ft long, bigger at one end than at the other, go to a smithy, make the "crown" and spike and put it together. History is brutal, but it's not as fast as sticking a pipe on a shovel handle and using the nail and/or wedges to keep in place.

[@jon_little]

Not sure what's more impressive, those pointy-clubby sticks or that mullet that Corey is sporting. Looks great Corey. Keep it for as long as you can.

[@ElCondorPasa69]

I’d use this weapon in the apocalypse as it’s cheap to make and easy to use

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Better stock up in advance, during an apocalypse your credit card won't work, cash will have little to no value, and Home Depot will be closed anyway.

[@spamtong.spamton8416]

@@TheRealAlpha2 Closed means nothing in the apocalypse. That's just an invitation to break in for free stuff.

[@baldeagle5297]

Larry next door is going to be pissed when he sees his car.

[@upinarms79]

It's kind of like a shorter lucerne hammer. Very effective because of that haft. Maybe you guys should do something on the effectiveness of hammers as improvised combat weapons, including something like the lucerne. Supposedly they were used to bash and dismount armored riders, but I've often wondered just how wieldable and effective what is essentially a small, spiked war hammer on a seven foot pole would be.

[@flyingninja1234]

The Goedendag reminds me of that simpsons episode where Kang & Kodos, are driven off the planet with boards with nails in them.

[@locke2517]

I remember playing with a group of larpers once and I gotta say, I never wanna deal with a guy experienced with pole arms. They would for real whoop your ass if they had a long stick or a pool cue.

[@Reddotzebra]

To steal the joke that a certain other youtuber stole from DotA2: "I said, GOOD DAY SIR!"

[@polrusstomakriss9001]

Because dota season 2 just dropped recently

[@It-b-Blair]

More to steal the classic line by Gene Wilder in the classic 1971 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 😜 glad pop culture keeps remixing the past, if it works; why be original 🙄😂😂😂

[@Incubansoul]

GUTEN DAG! "Good day to you too mein herr" Sorry, I meant GOEDENDAG! *Whomp*

[@TheOriginalJPRU]

Finally we get to see more deleted scenes from Office Space. Damn it feels good to be a gangster…

[@circleobungions]

Hey! Love the videos guys! Keep up the good work!

[@zacharyrodinson7829]

a new weapon for a D&D campaign.

[@m0riss]

in all variations of german and Scandinavian languages "gutentag", "guten tag", "goedendag" and a lot of others translates simply to "have a nice day" :p

[@lemeres2478]

10:02 which is why it has the bashing bits, so you can smash instead of getting stuck.

[@missobama1688]

I think a really good way to improve it Slightly is to add a bit of a warpick-esque spike coming out of one side of the head, so it can stick into the horse, knock the knight off, and then use the weight of the head to slam the point into their armor

[@mooncat1321]

As someone from Flanders i can say, their spike isn't nearly big enoug and the chunk of metal on the end should be way heavier

[@bsjeffrey]

in defense of the goedendag, pineapple can be very mean.

[@Antlove4eva]

I love how majestic anthony was bashing the watermelon

[@eZwa306]

13:29 Hence having a cooking exhaust hood, but no stove!

[@GannAinm]

You know, if one used bigger screws in the head attachment so they poke out the other side they could probably be sharpened too to great effect like a Bec De Corbin. Allegedly. In theory. Not encouraging doing so at all whatsoever in any way.

[@meneermankepoot]

G E K O L O N I S E E R D

[@BubbaTheHillbilly]

Dit is een belgisch wapen... dus vandaag niet vriend

[@alexthunderbrand]

The one shot at the beginning of Jason and Corry stabbing the car in synchronicity... really looked like you were a paramilitary squad or something.

[@nicholaswilson9724]

I think at this point if Anthony isn't an official Rogue, he's at least an Associate Rogue.

[@iceman7157]

Guten Tag? So it's a "hello stick"? Lmao

[@Rurik_Luci]

I can't help but picture a group of idiots coming out of the tree line carrying these things now as they walk towards my car followed by them almost instantly running back into the trees when they realize the thing in my backseat can hurt them from much farther away

[@givannoraices6605]

Can't believe you guys didn't say why it's named Goedendag is because the Dutch would say Goedendag and if you were french you would mispronounce it then the town guard men would then know their a french spy

[@UNPROFOR1994]

No, that's "Schild en Vriend".

[@johnbeauvais3159]

Now I don’t speak German so I don’t know if this is true, but I had read that the challenge and response words “Flash” and “Thunder” were chosen because no word in German starts with a “Th-“ sound making it really easy to tell who was answering and quicker to blast them.

[@jonasbekaert2889]

@@UNPROFOR1994 bruh

[@Brotherman94]

Factor meals are actually pretty good. I'm glad I can now get them with a discount and help out an awsome YT channel.

[@vicenter.8010]

They do be playing the street fighter bonus level

[@professionalcat9928]

didn't know saying hello in dutch wasn't a joke anymore

[@Semystic]

I love when you guys have Anthony on

[@shellbournian]

I can't believe you guys punched that many holes in a car without calling them speed holes lmao

[@roan5250]

10 seconds to the video and I'm wishing Anthony is there to test it and thank the gods he's here lol

[@am53n8]

I thought my KZbin was broken for a minute, randomly translating words to Dutch for me

[@Andaverde]

So basically the perfect zombie killing weapon. I need this.

[@mene1in]

I thought this was a weapon they made up until they described the history.

[@IBL33WJ3TLI]

Watching the village people "attack" fruit is kind of funny.

[@Tee643]

Imagine taking the time to harden the steel on the bolt.

[@fredhenry101]

I imagine by the time you went to the trouble of hardening the steel, you can make like 3 more of the non-hardened versions. Remember: A lot of historical weaponry didn't have to be durable so much as easy to mass produce. One guy with a really great spear vs 10 guys with average spears? That guy is gonna be dead, and if one of the average spears breaks, they can pick up his awesome one and carry it with them when they rejoin their buddies.

[@bruceluiz]

Pretty sure some version with a longer spike could be used as Anti-Vehicular... Basically a Militia Weapon. Just have a bunch of guys in a checkpoint with these and tell them to aim at the driver's window.

[@lonestar275]

Anybody else notice that during the explanation of the Goedendag they basically switched who was holding it in the end?

[@JudithOpdebeeck]

this is not a correction or anything, but i do want to point something out, because a lot of people, even in Belgium, get this wrong, and some of them put way too much importance in the misunderstanding. basicly, because of how feudalism works, the franco-flemish war in the 1300's was not a war between two nations. it was a civil war, since the flemish were in fact french. it also had little to nothing to do with nationalism, and a lot more with economics and succesion right.

[@ROBIEM97]

As a Dutch guy, it's odd that people are just constantly saying "Good day" to me

[@PlanetNiles]

Am I the only person who thought of Tod's Workshop? He's the dude to test this sort of thing against period accurate armour.

[@Violaetor]

"This was probably a prison attack... yeah, to get you off."

[@Shards-of-Narsil]

Talk about a "bad day at the office."

[@8stringmonkey]

Off to the tool shed. I need to do additional "research"

[@abaddon101]

Ngl, when I saw that thumbnail, I thought that the gourd that was speared onto the head was part if the weapon and it was a mallet.

[@slobodatom96]

Corey should wear that hood ornament like a badge of victory!!!

[@ThornForTheWynn]

From what I understand, the origin for the name was different. The Flemish would greet people on the streets and greet them ("Goedendag!"). If they answered with a French accent, they would be murdelized.

[@TheGiofont]

I'm so glad you add Brazilian reals to the conventions 😁

[@oblivionfade]

BASH HIM RIGHTLY - not everyone is going to get this reference

[@Unknownmonkey13]

The way I learned it got it’s name was as an anti-french/walloon peasants weapon for the flemish. You’d say goudendag at a stranger, if they didn’t respond in kind you’d kill them with your cheap spiked stick