THE GOOD AND BAD HINDERER KNIVES PROJECT X MAGNACUT STEEL

THE HINDERER PROJECT X IN MAGNACUT STEEL, THIS IS A FIRST IMPRESSIONS ON THE HINDERER PROJECT X IN MAGNACUT STEEL AND MY THOUGHTS ON THE GOOD AND BAD FROM MY OPINION.
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[@mikemcduff427]

$ 500.00 for a knife that is not heat treated to it's best potential (63-64) for MagnaCut? Why offer it in MagnaCut if not using it for one of it's best traits ? No thanks Hinderer. Thanks Jared. Nice to see and talk to you and the wife in Ft. Worth.

[@hafertr1235]

Most people that buy hinderer or at that price point in general don't use them anyway

[@-tzadakim-7805]

@@hafertr1235 which is crazy

[@cueball981]

​@@-tzadakim-7805 agreed!

[@themahones]

I use all my knives but that's me...even the 600+ ones ...no need to collect dust and disrespect the knife

[@81ghale]

Larrin seems to think even hrc down to 60 will make the steel perform perfectly fine and people shouldn’t look at that number and think anything is wrong with it. As long as the heat treat they choose is done correctly, it’ll perform just fine at 60 hrc.

[@paulmills426]

Congratulations on 250K! That's a great achievement.

[@thechancellor842]

that tool on the rear of the knife is a cool touch. Not happy about the heat treat and not being sharp. That's wild for $500.

[@tombrown4683]

Really made me LOL at 7:50 when you said "it is a knife". Sums up my thoughts exactly.

[@HindererCollector41]

THX FOR SHOUT OUT MAN GOOD VIDEO

[@Casey_Crocker]

Got one, hated it, sold it!

[@Cid_1]

Yeah I don't understand why they are treating the Magnacut so low, I'm glad I missed the one I wanted now. Acta Non Verba (ANV) A100 got their Magnacut at 64HRC, and Hogue raised their Deka to 63-64HRC. I don't get why Rick always loves his steel that soft, and he uses M390/20CV that's WAY too soft. If he doesn't want to go above 60-61HRC, he should just switch to S30V, S35VN S45VN Elmax LC200N & Vanax.

[@cody3078]

Deka is 62-64 btw

[@justthetipedc7835]

I just got my first ever hinderer and yeah I did notice the edge was kinda sucky. Sorry to all my captain Americas out there but a $50 china made knife can put cut with a factory edge. I own man U.S.A. made knives and I absolutely love them all but this is a simple fact that they can be sharper out of the box.

[@hityoutwo]

I could run my finger across the factory “edge” of my XM-24 bowie and not get cut. It was definitely disappointing out the box

[@Crazykidownthestreet]

Was awesome meeing you at the show, sweet blade man!

[@stephenswindle3839]

And by the way, your video on the TSprof sharpening system is the reason why I picked one up for myself. I got the K03 pro hunter, I absolutely agree that it’s the best sharpening system out there but it’s not cheap like you said, but I think it’s worth it at the end of the day. If you’re looking for a sharpener that’s going to sharpen a knife to absolute perfection from hill to tip.👌✌👍🗡🗡🗡

[@stevenlachance8576]

60-61 is too soft to take advantage of magnacut. Is hinderer one of the companies that outsources grinding, and has a limit of 62 HRC. I heard some companies outsource but can’t remember the source, transparent maybe? And that flipper tab, is Rick Hinderer deaf?

[@doejon9424]

Most people (if not all) on KZbin never actually use their Hinderer knives. .. which is a a total bonus for Rick Hinderer, because nobody is gonna dispute edge retention or heat treatment. He just loves that people keep his blades in a pelican case & walk around flipping them around the house.

[@markturbeville9365]

I got an XM18 skinny slicer in magnacut at the show. I really struggled with the decision due to hinderer’s recent actions against transparent knives and the low hrc…but I’ve always wanted one and handling it felt amazing, so I pulled the trigger. Put in pb washers and it is the smoothest washer knife I’ve ever handled. Hopefully the skinny slicer grind will help with edge retention on the softer heat treat… Also it was great to meet you and Kara. Keep doing what you’re doing! Love the content

[@just.some.dud3]

Recent? Wasn't that over a year ago? Seems like it was a long time ago.

[@markturbeville9365]

@@just.some.dud3 recent enough that it still weighed on my decision to buy the knife. Sorry our definitions of recent don’t line up

[@alexferrara9287]

If you want a knife with MagnaCut steel and a smooth washer action, check out a Les George VECP. He heat treats the MagnaCut to 63 HRC. Not easy to find, especially the newer MagnaCut ones, but definitely worth it 👍. If I’m spending $500+, knife makers like Les George, McNees, & Demko are getting my $$ before Hinderer. I hate to put any manufacturer down but, I feel like Hinderer doesn’t care/try like they used to.

[@markturbeville9365]

@@alexferrara9287 yea I have a button lock VECP and a mac2 3.5. Great knives. Love Les George knives. Wish they were more readily available.

[@alexferrara9287]

@@markturbeville9365 I want a MAC2 3.5 so bad but, I can never find the model I want (fastback or shockwave scales). Honestly, a 3.5 auto would be nice too. No one give McNees the credit he deserves on his autos. The deployment action on the auto’s are faster than some ProTechs. And yes, Les George knives are sold as quick as they come out. I want a MagnaCut VECP (not button lock) or a MK3.

[@bangbang2207]

Ya I bought my sabenza magnacut and they heat treated it and 63. I did buy a xm-18 and it will prob be the only hinderer ill buy just cuz of their heat treats. For how expensive they are why buy more.

[@cueball981]

Oh, and congrats on hitting a quarter million subscribers, brother! 🥳🎉🎊👊

[@luism.9737]

Man, saw one available in Magnacut, saw you released a review, watched it (glad I did) and sold out already 😅... yeah I'd prefer Magnacut higher heat treated, i think I remember you saying tactile will improve their knives heat treat in the future so looking forward to that

[@NeevesKnives]

YES THEY HAVE CHANGED IT MOVING FORWARD SO ALL THE NEW MODELS ARE AT 63 64

[@justadudefrom97]

​@@NeevesKnives since when? Since blade show Texas?

[@alexferrara9287]

As someone who’s not the biggest fan of Hinderer knives, I’m being completely unbiased. I actually disagree on what was said about MagnaCut’s heat treatment in this video. Larrin Thomas has shown charts of MagnaCut’s optimal HRC range to be 60-65. Numbers can very depending on the type of HT, meaning some have gotten MagnaCut over 65 HRC and it’s also usable a little under 60 HRC. That said, for folding knives that need to be “slicey”, he recommends no less than 62 HRC, all the way up to 65 HRC. For knives that need to take advantage of MagnaCut’s higher range toughness, 60-61 HRC is recommended. What many people mix up (& some refuse to believe) is when Larrin Thomas stated that MagnaCut at 64 HRC is actually tougher than steels like Vanax, S35VN, and Elmax at 61 HRC or LOWER. What I found even more astonishing, is MagnaCut at 64 HRC has double the strength/toughness of steels like M390, 20CV, S90V, S45VN, and others….at 61 HRC. Which is mighty impressive.

[@dickelstephen]

I used my newly purchased half track wharncliffe over the weekend, cutting food, removing clothes tags, basic stuff. Monday and the knife is dull and needs to be sharpened. Soft Magnacut is shite

[@southpaw_knives]

I would really like to hear your thoughts after you sharpen this MagnaCut.

[@Cid_1]

Was about to pick up the Jurassic Slicer Magnacut about a month ago, but the color I wanted just sold out right before I could snag it. But I'll pick one up eventually.

[@81ghale]

The Jurassic has become my favorite over my XM-18 3.5. It’s so much easier to flip and it’s lighter, plus the slicer grind has kind of a clip point tip that I really like.

[@rileybush7129]

Lol, incoming cease and desist from Hinderer. How dare you talk about their butter knives like that. In all seriousness they have some of my favorite looking knives of all time. I just wish they’d do a proper heat treat instead of trying to save money on equipment longevity.

[@bwd8664]

Only ever had a non flipper Eklipse and I returned it, they don't really impress me. I'll probably get an auto or non flipper XM18 in S45 if they ever do it but I'll likely only have one and I'm not rushing to get it.

[@frankiejdwm_edc1037]

I got a Red G10 Stonewashed Bronze straight from Hinderer. This is actually the sharpest I got new. Don't know if others got some use/testing from dealers, before came to me. But was surprised you said yours was duller than others. I think Hinderer should stick to S45VN, I've had great experiences his S45.

[@NeevesKnives]

Yeah this one wouldn't even shave hair, and was rough going through paper I can sharpen it though so it's not a big deal I'm more worried about the hrc

[@cueball981]

The hardware looks a little more uniform, too. The XM-18 and 24 look like they're put together with a mix of fasteners from the miscellaneous screw jar in my garage!

[@cyphersuit1]

True

[@Tatterdsoul]

That’s apt. Which as a word is…..apt. Probably should have said….True. Or I concur. Which is just as pretentious. As apt.

[@cueball981]

@@Tatterdsoul huh??

[@Tatterdsoul]

@@cueball981 very appropriate to a particular situation. Apropos. A Dipsh:t word used by Dipsh:ts. Like a puzzle isn’t it? CueMan. Ya know ya got the coolest avatar?

[@stephenswindle3839]

I hear you say that the guy that created the magnacut has it at 63/64 and my question is when Rick buys the magnacut is it not already heat treated or does he have to do the heat treating on the Magnacut?

[@aruugalaedc]

Hey, worker at RHK - it is not heat treated when we get the steel in.

[@MrParticular-pu7qh]

Great video I've owned a couple I got rid of them they make my fingers after flipping It's a very popular knife Very collectible. Just not for me

[@sharpoutdoors_ar5066]

Man it was great meeting you at Texas. I picked one of these up too

[@FLAILYLIMBS]

The recommended heat treat from the designer will give you 61-62.5 hrc. The data sheet for magnacut from crucible says the aim is 60-63 hrc. So this is a little low, but not so much that its trash. You mostly just lose out on the crazy edge retention at higher hrc. Meh. The reason I want this steel is for its corrosion resistance, while also having competitive edge resistance and toughness.

[@NeevesKnives]

63 TO 64 IS THE BEST RANGE FOR MAGNACUT ON POCKET KNIVES, 60 WOULD BE FOR A FIXED BLADE CHOPPER NOT A FOLDING POCKET KNIFE, THERES A REASON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE COMPANY HAS UPPED THE HRC TO 63

[@cameronmoore763]

Agreed not sure why people throw a fit when it clearly is in the recommended range. Yeah it's in the softer end of the range but still hitting what crucible recommends.

[@81ghale]

@@NeevesKnives Larrin says that’s not necessarily true. As long as the heat treatment is done correctly there’s nothing wrong with hrc down to 60. He compares it to the megapixel wars with cameras. More pixels doesn’t mean better pictures necessarily. If there is any edge retention loss, how many cuts are we talking about at 1 or 2 hrc? Seems like something that gets in peoples heads and works as kind of a reverse placebo effect.

[@anthonyberardi8904]

@@81ghalenot many cuts! The reason Hinderers don’t cut well is because of the factory sharpening angle. It’s like 30° per side. If you drop it down to 20° (or lower), the edge retention goes up significantly.

[@pauljosephbuggle3722]

My brothers in law are hard working farmers over here in Spain and in my job there are quite a few maintenance men working. None of them carry a knife which costs more than 30 euros. These are hard use people and an Opinel is just fine. I once broke down the cardboard packaging for a sofa with the SAK classic on my keychain; not optimal but it can be done The idea that an overbuilt knife is in any way necessary is a myth put out there by macho men and knife companies. People buy Hinderers because they like them and because they have 500 spuds to spend on one. I'm carrying a Kizer d'Orme which I got at half price sale at Mojave. Would I swap it for your Hinderer? Of course! Do I need a Hinderer? Of course not. Would I pay 500 beers for one? No way! Why not? Because it doesn't cut any better than a Civivi. As for American made, that's something for Americans to drool over. I have quite a few American knives but not because they are American but because they are great knives (Spydercos and Benchmades) and are worth the money (Chaparral/ Griptilian/Manix 2). Anyone with a Spyderco Sharpmaker doesn't need a super steel. Knives should be touched up and stroped rather than resharpened.

[@kimbalxyz2]

Paul, I can see and understand your sentiments totally. I think the whole buy American comes from older guys like myself that grew up when American production was a great thing. I know that a lot of the imported knives have great quality and a great price. I would rather pay more for anything that helps the economy and the production of American products. Where I draw the line is, if the quality is not as good as a product at half it's price, that's a no go. However I totally understand peoples understanding of not investing into buying American if you don't live here !

[@Jacrispy223]

Try not to care what other people do with their money.

[@douglasbrmn2]

So you just like the size and a scale, got it lol. I don’t understand why people support a company like Hinderer who openly attacks and makes fun their customers. People more worried about status rather than quality, it’s a freaking joke.

[@HighCRI]

I went to Blade Show expecting to buy this. Got to the booth, handled it and just couldn’t pull the trigger. Hinderers handles are amazing, but their blades are done so poorly. They’re horrible at cutting even compared to similarly thick blades from other brands and their heat treat is so bad. Their 20CV is the only 20CV I’ve ever had that got rust spots. $500 for a knife that I’d have to get reground to enjoy just wasn’t worth it.

[@Surago]

All those nitpicks I can't even believe you bought the thing. 😂

[@Lyrics_manzanita]

Hinderers come dull as f*ck. I pawned my xm-18 just to get rid of it. I was so excited to get it and it had horrible detent lash and a dull blade... Brand new from dlt trading...

[@hityoutwo]

I believe you. Hinderer’s QC is spotty at best. Bought a new Hinderer carbon fiber scale from DLT and got a splinter from it bc it was so unfinished.

[@ZeeWolfgang]

Thanks for the upload❤

[@MrEric0822]

Will NEVER get the Hinderer craze. Terrible flipper, buttery dull, terrible slicers, thick behind the edge, laughable heat treat, notoriously bad customer service. Kudos to them for terrible knives that look cool for $500-$600. They get an A+ on marketing expensive Lego sets for adults.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

I feel the same way.

[@wesb123]

It’s the Jim Jones effect 🐑

[@Tatterdsoul]

60-61 is just lazy QC. But that is one stellar knife. That tool made me smile. Baby steps. Cheers

[@danzigrulze5211]

Guess I'll just wait for a Spyderco Military 2 in Magnacut to be released. Until then I'll just use the knives I already own until I make an upgrade to Magnacut.

[@ModernSurvivalSense]

No, Larrin Thomas says 60-61 is fine and he states that what the steel is heat treated to is up to the maker and it doesn't make the maker wrong because you think it should be done otherwise.

[@SharpLove]

Yeah I don't see the appeal of Hinderer knives. Horrible flipper tabs. They never heat treat the steel right. The tri way system just feels like a gimmick. If the only benefit is being a American made knife.. well there is plenty of other companies that don't have those faults.

[@dogonmountain6445]

Good on you for calling them out on heat treat. Hopefully designers/manufacturers will pay more attention to the choil issue over time. I'd also like to see manufacturers sharpen at a lower angle but that probably won't happen.

[@scrick7112]

Jerad. Hi. The pivot hardware looks different. I guess it’s for the tool that’s in the back of the knife. So I don’t need to use the special tool I bought for my xm-18 right? Great overview a usual. Thx Rick in S.D.

[@ThrowMeSomething]

I have a 60hrc Magnacut custom from a certain maker who refuses to heat to spec (no idea why except he’s thrifty, since my knife is not a hard use liner lock), and it is really frustrating as the blade simply will not hold a decent edge. From my experience, at least a 63hrc is ideal for a folder.

[@ModernSurvivalSense]

60hrc is to spec. The spec is a range.

[@frankrey4836]

Liong Mah and Hinderer I will not support the snootiness of these people by buying anything from them, the community would have the power to show them that their behavior is wrong ! this is my opinion

[@Tatterdsoul]

I’m right there with ya.

[@mattchumley6735]

What Jared is saying about the heat treat is spot on. Of course Larrin is going to say 59-64 HRC is good. Do you ever hear him dis a steel? Plus, Magnacut is his baby. And I’m not saying he’s wrong. There’s a place for 60HRC Magnacut, but a folder?!? With THAT blade geometry?!? That isn’t it. Besides, it’s been done before. It’s called LC200N which is a great steel too, but it’s much different than Magnacut that’s heat treated at 63-64HRC (and I’d like to see them target 65 with that blade geometry). Even at 65 you could use that blade as a hatchet LOL.

[@NeevesKnives]

exactly and larren as far as folders go recommends 63 to 64, i have many knives in magnacut and have tested from 59 60 up to near 65 hrc and the differences are pretty massive, even the diff between 61 and 63 is massive. so in that case why not just use Lc200n on these lol

[@unfi6798]

Cowabunga! Hinderer X Mag would be too soft for our usage. Cheers Jared.

[@anthonymiller8979]

So their softer Magnacut does not hold an edge OR it will not hold the edge that Magnacut CAN be capable of?

[@JCpNK]

I’ll be waiting to hear your thoughts after the sharpening video

[@dannywilson9192]

i love that knife...

[@concealmenttraining9371]

Folders are not for hard use. Period. They develop more and more blade play.

[@bhunt919]

According to Crucible 62.5 hrc is optimal for magnacut.

[@eckyeckypikang]

10:58 - Aww, c'mon... Don't want to be the guy with that custom "Nagnacut" blade?

[@richardf9137]

Would never pay that much for that particular knife, not heat treated To bring out the full potential of magnacut, and I hate it when you get a brand new knife and the damn thing isn’t sharp, it’s a no-brainer!

[@ferklissimo8126]

So this has the edge retention of CPM154 ?

[@andrew5117]

I could be wrong…. Wanted to start with that lol. I know a guy that sharpens my knives for me that also makes knives as a hobby and he told me that the place he sends his blades to get heat treated also does Hinderers blades. He also happens to collect Hinderers. So if he’s not doing his own heat treating maybe he don’t have a say in what the hrc is. Was just a thought. I don’t know if that info is accurate or not that’s just what I was told. It could be completely false for all I know.

[@andrew5117]

Forgot to comment about the knife… looks badass can’t wait to get one in hand. The Hinderer booth is always my first stop at blade show. I ran into you and Kara there last year. Hope to see you guys again. Take care!

[@81ghale]

Watching the video from Larrin about his steel he says not to see a maker using 60-61 hrc and say they’re shit, because there’s much more that goes into it the heat treat than the number. According to him (he made it after all) the steel will perform perfectly well at that hardness if done correctly.

[@MrRobnav1965]

Spot on!

[@Jacrispy223]

Its a $500 dollar knife, why would 60-61 hrc be acceptable?

[@-tzadakim-7805]

Hey Jared, wondering what happened to the white background in your videos. What caused the change?

[@awdtw]

People get so worked up about this and its so wrong on so many levels. 63-64 hardness is amazing. At this point, it is as tough as S35VN when it is treated to 60-61 but has far longer edge retention and corrosion resistance. 60-61 hardness is, believe it or not, also amazing. Just not for cardboard cutting fanbois. At this range, it has 2-3x the toughness of S35VN at the same hardness, whilst having only around 10% less edge retention. It is also more stain resistant. I have magnacut in both 60-61 and 63-64 and love both options for their uses. The problems start when fans want every maker to heat treat the same way every single time. That is selfish.

[@NeevesKnives]

i completely dis this is a thick piece of magnacut the toughness is great from that alone, im personally worried about the the edges i can put on it and how long they hold, ive personally tested magnacut under 60 that lost its edge extremely fast, and it had trouble taking an edge atleast to the level i like, as far as taking a polished edge it was very slick afterwards and lost all bite from only a couple cuts, while other magnacut is the exact opposite at higher hrc, i dont think they all have to be the same but theres still a standard for a pocket knife. also at the higher hrc its still plenty tough however the edge retention goes up and its ability to take and hold very sharp edges goes up so i only see an upside to the higher hrc

[@ferklissimo8126]

​​​@@NeevesKnives "Anywhere between 59 and 64 on the Rockwell hardness scale can work great, and MagnaCut steel can be heat-treated to a range of hardnesses depending on the application. I know some out there give specific hardness targets they think are ideal, or claim a knife is no good below a certain hardness. But I feel that ignores the balance of properties you get at different hardness points." - Larrin Thomas 🤔🤔 (???) Why/wut ?

[@toreycasey1214]

Hinderer is falling behind would like to see them make some changes before they gain my business back

[@joelb1299]

60-61 HRC should be fine for a pocket knife. Regardless, looks like a decent knife. Not a fan of the pokey flipper, but probably a great knife for anybody who doesn't mind that kind of thing.

[@wesb123]

It’s not going to perform any better than Chinese D2, congratulations on your purchase 😂

[@joelb1299]

@@wesb123 It's going to be more resistant to corrosion and chipping. Besides, it's a pocket knife that is fairly robust, so it should be fine for normal pocket knife tasks like cutting boxes, slicing apples, and snapping fishing line. BTW, properly sharpened D2 steel is no joke when it comes to making cuts. The idea that you need a 67 HRC pocket knife isn't even practical in real world use. Most people wouldn't know the difference unless you told them.

[@wesb123]

@@joelb1299 don’t try and decide for anyone what’s practical or not, I work for a living and for $500 the knife better slay demons and damn sure better out perform the $49 D2 Amazon special.. which it can’t. There’s guy’s building knives in their Pakistani garages that have more backbone than this.

[@tanorkewl8360]

Jared i put a nick in a knife i can no longer find unless its a used one on ebay for 500$ are you still sharpening?

[@NeevesKnives]

I am my books are closed at the moment but you can reach out to blades and fades on Instagram tellm I sent ya

[@InnovativeBuildersmd]

Hope rhk starts heat treating there to 63

[@MmmGrayons]

Cease and desist probably in the mail from Hinderer as we speak.

[@themahones]

1/4 of a mil GAW?

[@themahones]

At least your butter knife won't rust! Haha😅😊

[@toddcarr.]

I get why you wanted one but to spend that much money on a user knife with that heat treat, i could never bring myself to do it USA made or not. So many other amazing knives out there that have well treated magnacut that would provide a better overall cutting experience. I can hear the disappointment in your voice when talking about the heat treat and I'm hoping when it comes to testing it performs better than you expect. They are amazing well built knives but until they get the blade correct i will not be buying one. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable

[@NeevesKnives]

i agree todd

[@patricksmatrick6193]

From what I understand, Heretic is heat treating Magnacut exactly the same.

[@NeevesKnives]

YEAH LUCKY HOGUE, MEDFORD, TACTILE, PROTECH, SPYDERCO ARE ALL DOING IT RIGHT NOW

[@Xentis03]

@@NeevesKnives do you already know the heat treat on the new plain edge spyderco native 5? Saw that those just dropped a couple Hours ago

[@patricksmatrick6193]

@@NeevesKnives that is good to know. I was wondering about the others.

[@eddiecastellana9339]

Can’t afford any of them!

[@ronniestarkey8611]

They're like a spoiled crabby little kid that got called out on they're BS and because of that they'll never "give in and do what you tell me to" even though it's right, whatever

[@EBFNOQMAGNO]

It's a Hinderer. Not sharp from the factory seems to be more of a tradition than a flaw, because they refuse to improve.

[@SupraDeluxx-ro1qg]

i been thinking about a hinderer, but honestly the squeeze isnt worth the juice. i been hearing more and more about how they heat treat there steels. and the price and exclusivity isnt helping. i feel like kicking the tires, but to the cult of hinderer they like the smell of there own shit, and it wouldnt matter anyways.

[@cyphersuit1]

I am a hinderer collector, but this knife does nothing for me.

[@kaizen5023]

60 HRC? Fail.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

I’ll never buy a Hinderer for a couple reasons. Many stated in this video, their ridiculous HRC on all steels they use, and the fact he is such a jerk to the community who supports his products. I’ll use my $500+ on someone that I know will enjoy the business or get. Better product like a Koenig or something of that caliber.

[@NeevesKnives]

AGREED

[@ChaosRider9400]

Ayo 500 for a pocket tool, really? What are the benefits of a softer MAGNACUT blade bud? Also flipper tab is overcompensating for something. 😆

[@NeevesKnives]

i personally dont think theres any benifits of it being softer only down sides however they would argue toughness

[@mikereese15]

Never been a fan

[@scummzz4696]

hinderers are all treated like shit. why? Cheaper to work, and he knows his buyers won’t even notice since they hardly use them lol

[@Xentis03]

We should start dropping the “Hinderer buyers would know because they don’t use them” comments on their Facebook page. Would be a chaotic day

[@OLMmedic]

Dude, i got a half track in magnacut and i am not happy with the steel at all. Glass, not sticky and came medium sharp and a very obtuse angle, but it is a half track so i knew that part but, the steel does not hold a edge longer than aus 8. I aint kidding. Maybe after a few sharpenings, who knows. If i didnt love the design, i would sell it, but i do

[@NeevesKnives]

Yeah that's exactly why I brought that up, I will probably do some controlled testing to confirm

[@scummzz4696]

i don’t get why these big player can’t do it right!!🤦🏽‍♂️ HERETIC is also running 60-61 which is a damn joke.

[@wesb123]

The most likely reason is that they gotta save the $4.64 per blade it takes to make the accountants happy

[@adhdhobbyguy6063]

Rick is an atf simp, which is worse then being a scammy knife maker, but only just barely. Hes both, so hard pass all around.

[@lopovnd]

You must be rich, 500 for a bad knife.

[@wesb123]

It’s $450 for a terrible knife

[@giantfatberg]

That’s a nice weekend vacation with the family at the beach

[@wesb123]

@@giantfatberg why do we have to ruin it with bringing the family? 👙

[@giantfatberg]

@@wesb123 true you could stretch it out another day or two without the family