The Gorosei Who Is Going To Betray Imu

[@MrMorj]

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[@TheMegatron15]

Can the raid at onigashima still fail? 🤡

[@ibra9025]

@@TheMegatron15grow up man who cares

[@RichardMcnichols-h1s]

Mongolian death wurm, Nidhogg the dread bitter, the man eating worm of lambdon .... the dune worm isnt the only modern depection either there were tremors, like like from the zelda series, and those creepy worm things from the pit scene in kong skull island. Dune didn't make up the concept it is thousands of years old and there are literally hundreds of examples of "giant man eating worms" of various types throughout the scattered mythologies and legends of the world. Some of my favorite are the native American mythologies of the worm that carves the canyon.

[@ddavid8888888]

If you want to add another thing, In Hebrew the name that was given to the star Jupiter is “Tzedek” which translated to justice

[@sekai2982]

Your point at 14:44 is so weak, almost like you didn't even bother to pay attention to the panel to see that the gorosseis were in their hybrid forms, I thought this was obvious by nusjuro still having his torso, and mars' wings being extremely small, and nothing compared to his full form. So ofcourse ju peter's silhouette would also look different. I hate it when you say some good stuff, some actual plausible theory, and follow it up with obvious false things like this, it just throws me off.

[@baning23]

Wth is that Dune talk man, Dune literally is one of the most influential sci-fi books ever

[@nguquaxanguyen5224]

for a japanese man?

[@andresochoa540]

@@nguquaxanguyen5224 for every human

[@eleusis6960]

@@nguquaxanguyen5224 dont you know Gozdilla?

[@blueboysfriend3001]

​@@nguquaxanguyen5224 for a nerd like Oda yes

[@hughplayer7612]

Morj really going fully in on never hearing about a sandworm until 2024 despite the books and the concept of a sandworm being present for 50+ years dam

[@SensiBurning90]

For the sake of argument I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he never heard of if. There’s tons of things that are entirely new to one person but common to others. But to say Oda basically rewrote such an important character last minute because he watched a movie….thats harder for me to believe than Morj not knowing about the Sandworm.

[@herickbrandelero2293]

it is even older than that, the is the stories of the mongolian death worms and that type stories have being know for ever, it even got a small mention in The Hobbit

[@M3plusYOU]

Morj be like "I didn't know about the sandworm until this year so everybody else must be the same" lol

[@Allen-qs2xr]

That's not even the argument. Why do people with comprehension difficulties read one piece. Can you guys just go read some shit manga like Berserk instead?

[@M3plusYOU]

@@Allen-qs2xr Oda could have seen the worm in Dune 1 that came out several years ago lol

[@sarougeau]

@@M3plusYOU Or you know, he could have also just read the book that has been around since the 60's and been a major influence in sci-fi media.

[@MrMCKlebeband]

@@Allen-qs2xr maybe it was not the argument but the implication was "must have been taken from that movie because they invented it" which is BS. there are literally multiple real world creatures that clearly are the inspiration for sand worms... + multiple fictional creatures that have been inspired by those real world creatures.

[@YoyMcFroy]

​@@Allen-qs2xr really had to throw in the personal insult and Berserk slander

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

Most of the Gorosei: Mythical Creature from mythology. Ju Peter: Alaskan Bull Worm!

[@ZetaVisualWorks]

Yeah, Morj Should just use this Argument not Oda just saw Dune movie lol.

[@Nubin2000]

Mongolian Sandworms are mystical creatures that inspired the Dune Sandworms. Also, Oda probably read the Dune books since they were written since the 1960’s. Oda probably is a massive classical Dune series book fan reader.

[@ShiNijuuAKL]

@@ZetaVisualWorks for real LMAO, is a fucking waste of time to pretend to be able to read Oda's mind 😂😂

[@zeke6335]

@@Nubin2000 Mongolian Death Worms, not Sandworms.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@zeke6335 same diff

[@poboy57]

Morj logic is Oda went to see Dune part 2 then immediately realized “oh shit, I forgot to design one of the gorosei guess I’ll just use this” 😂

[@jojorockzzz1211]

Yeah definitely that's what happened

[@nathanlevesque7812]

such a weird miss

[@smolchibi7128]

This theory actually had some damning evidence and then he pulled that out of nowhere? Could of just said Oda read the book however long ago and wanted to make a sand worm character. Dune is hugely influential to sci-fi, this is a sci-if arc, it’s not crazy for Oda to pull some sci-fi references.

[@Golden284-fan]

He was also forgetting that there was a dune part 1 😂

[@dallascoggins1534]

The sand worm analysis is such a massive stretch 1. The silohette pretty much like the worm we see. Only thing is that the one eye isnt covered 2. Its entirely possible oda saw you know dune part 1 and thought about it then rather than part 2

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

AGREEEEEE

[@SASJinno]

Or, the 80s Dune movie. Or any number of Dune influenced media globally. The Sandworm analysis is Morj’s weakest part of this video and he saved it as if it were the lynchpin.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

@@SASJinno YUP! Exactly!

[@jayk285]

I agree.

[@TheRockingChar]

Morj found a real life gomu-gomu no mi so he could stretch his theory lol

[@mzako7448]

Maybe Morj's editor is a traitor too and releases the Wano analysis?

[@M3plusYOU]

During a reread morj realized he's wrong about Wano and can't complete the review

[@A1K300]

He hasn't started it

[@havewissmart9602]

There is already a theme analysis of wano and oden too. That covers about 95% of what is important in that arc. If you want a critique of the wano arc(like an analysis of its flaws), it probably isn't coming. Because why invite hate for no reason. Most people are fine with wano

[@sasoripunpun2273]

@@M3plusYOUwhat does this mean? he likes wano now?

[@M3plusYOU]

@@sasoripunpun2273 he realized his criticisms didn't reflect the manga

[@christianlopez684]

The silhouette does look like a worm though and the mongolian death worm is a thing

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

Trueeee

[@MrJarrydLee]

big facts

[@shwiiiiies4704]

Dune has been around for manu uears also buh

[@leolegendario1]

But he is not a Mongolian Death Worm, the name in katakana is SANDWORM even in japanese, which is from the book Dune and the old or new films.

[@MrJarrydLee]

@@leolegendario1 oh brother

[@polodowwn]

My boy done ate the rubber furit with all the stretching in this video

[@hiagustres]

Ju Peter's silhouette absolutely matches his transformed appearence imo. Cylindrical shape, big mouth and small eyes, it matches better than Aramaki's silhouette at least, for example

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

Agreed

[@alexsere3061]

Yeah, I completely agree, I don't know what morj is thinking. All the gorosei look distorted for effect. If you take it into account its the same as the others.

[@TheRockingChar]

Agreed, a more pertinent piece of evidence for me is the fact that Ju Peter's main goal on Egghead (currently) was to save the Cipher Pol agents.

[@sonmarsha69]

Pretty sure oda said he was a big dune fan aswell so entirely possible he knew about it before the film haha

[@YouArePitiful]

Yeah I think Morj wasn't cooking as hard on this one as usual. He often convinces me of some crazy shit, but not this time.

[@Black-Moustache]

But the silhouette does look like a sandworm...

[@nicolepanacho7128]

idk what morj tried to pull with that one, guess he was just hoping we were too busy making food to look at the screen lmao

[@John-dd8kh]

@@nicolepanacho7128oddly specific but hilarious comment nonetheless hahaha

[@renziie2804]

@@John-dd8kh 😂

[@manuelferreira7314]

also dune 1 also has sandworms

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

​@nicolepanacho7128 You didn't have to out me like that bro 😂😂

[@stephens.9506]

I don’t know how you put so much stock into the silhouette being random and not looking like the sandworm. They are all abstract approximations, and to me that one looks like a long creature with a big gaping mouth, which lines up perfectly

[@jason71125]

thought that too. really doesnt look that different

[@coneisashape3598]

agreed!

[@beepboop4833]

Yeah it's clearly a worm 😂 Morj be reaching

[@Kiado_Is_a_Fish]

Agreed was thinking the same thing

[@zero1188]

@@beepboop4833exactly. My guess is saturn is kllled then it will be four. Not betreyal

[@josiahbrown5582]

This video feels like when you have a paper due in 3 hours and you’ve gotta hit a word count

[@melhema6150]

This the dumbest thing ever. You really think oda NEVER thought about jupeter ability despite being introduced in 2002? And then you proceed to say oda thought about the rest early on, like did he think about four of them and said nah to the fifth 💀

[@nicolepanacho7128]

ACTUALLY THO, like these bitches just about as old as blackbeard but specifically jupiter was forgotten about for 2 decades

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

That's right. Since he's the Godhead of Agriculture, and he turns a thing that lives in deserts, I bet Oda WAS planning for Ju Peter's ability because all Gorosei have a monster form that is the opposite of what they're supposed to represent: -Saturn is Science and Defense, turns into an Ushi-Oni which is merciless and can only be hurt by magic and supernatural incantations -Nusjuro is Finance, but becomes a barren skeletal animal -Mars is Environment, but becomes a bird which appears in periods of famine and drought to cause blights -Warcury is Justice but becomes a ferocious beast that preys on humans Peter's transformation perfectly fits the theme of "completely opposite to what you're supposed to represent"

[@itsthejuice]

This dumbest shit I ever seen you upload 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@P-Weaver-u6g]

Mans never heard of a Mongolian Death Worm

[@debater452]

Tbf most people haven't so I am not suprised

[@gamescentrel2951]

Lots havent but its the best cryptid

[@cynicalmandate]

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!!!

[@TheInferno0099]

That's what I was thinking the whole time

[@hossdelgado5075]

Pretty sure I remember some older 80s and early 90s desert manga having giant sandworms too

[@user-sl3hs3rg6q]

Ju Peter being a Sandworm because Oda saw Dune 2 is kind of a major stretch that kinda weakens the argument of the video. Ju Peter can still be a traitor but that point did not help the argument at all.

[@Thefufflylord]

Agreed. It would have been stronger if he noticed that the other forms are inspired by Japanese mythology, but Ju Peter's is not.

[@arthurfleck4320]

Theres also the fact that Ju Peter's design is similar to Abraham Lincoln: a man known for FREEING SLAVES.

[@ZorusAgartha]

I mean, with the sand worm silhouette, you can't really put much detail into it it's going to be very basic

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

Seriously! Idk why he thought this would be his punchline

[@Dnizzle227]

When he starts cussing, is like him trying to put a point into your head...amd spent 5 minutes talking about it like it really matters where it came from🤣

[@granolabranborg]

Yeeeeeees! This is peak! Finally a successor to ‘the raid will fail!’ I’m so here for it!

[@williejaquan]

Lmao there are some logic leaps in this video

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

LMAO

[@alkeqq]

Yesssss i'm so in❤

[@HGoodra]

😂😂😂

[@nicolepanacho7128]

hell nah😂😂😂

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

14:55 this part is a stretch. Ju Peter’s silouhette definitely looks like a worm

[@1234freshking]

But the 14:23 part is not a stretch, you're telling me the top silhouette looks like a sandworm? Cause the bottom 4 look exactly like their final designs

[@djacks247]

@@1234freshking the top one is imu. or if its not Im you can say he is halfway through a transformation or whatever his hybrid would look like.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

@@1234freshking no not that one! Ju Peter is actually left out of that panel bc that big one on top is Imu Alsoo this helps Morj’s point to Ju Peter being a traitor- maybe that’s why he was left out of that panel 😨

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

@@1234freshking no not that one! Ju Peter is actually left out of that panel bc that big one on top is Imu Alsoo this helps Morj’s point to Ju Peter being a traitor- maybe that’s why he was left out of that panel 😨

[@Magnet_Chaos]

​@@AcksD.Bharlotte He is actually in that panel. He is just being completely covered up by Saturn. lol

[@LionLostInTime]

Morj: Ju Peter's fruit HAS to be taken from Dune mongolian death worm: am i a joke to you?

[@gtkingly8127]

yeah there is many places the sandworms come from lmao

[@MrMurked10]

It’s also an European myth

[@sohailsadaqat6684]

well, its called sandworm not deathworm so I agree with Morj.

[@leolegendario1]

But he is not a Mongolian Death Worm, the name in katakana is SANDWORM even in japanese, which is from the book Dune and the old or new films.

[@afranheartnet2462]

@@leolegendario1 You do know that the mongolian death worm is a sandworm right? And the argument that people are making isn't that he 100% is a mongolian death worm, but that there isn't just one possibility of what he can be like Morj says, there ARE more possible sandworms Oda could've used as inspiration.

[@SASJinno]

But… Dune Part 1 was also really popular and also heavily featured the sandworms and was out before Ju Peter’s silhouette.

[@thebeastmaster2710]

17:07 that totally looks like a sandworm foreshadowing, none of the silhouette show exactly what they are but it shows the most defining feature and so is this silhouette, a circular face and body with a circular mouth that's totally a sandworm, maybe he added the teeth later but he had it at lest at June 4th planned to be a sandworm. The other silhouette on the other hand where he comes down from the top side with hands is either something else or just his hybrid form because he doesn't have space for his full sandworm form. i do think he might be the traitor it makes sense but not buying the idea that his fruit was made up much later.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

I absolutely agree! Idk why Morj thought the silhouette part was his “punchline” he has much stronger points

[@leolegendario1]

That big silhouette in the Empty Throne is IMU, not Ju Peter. Ju Peter is just the head silhouette, before that he is just a small shadow between Saturn and V Nusjuro.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

@@leolegendario1 yea and that “small shadow” is the only way to depict a worm-like being

[@leolegendario1]

@@AcksD.Bharlotte I know, I'm just saying that the one with arms is not him, but Imu. Many people get that wrong.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

@@leolegendario1 ah okay gotcha, thank you! Its funny how Oda left Ju Peter out of that other shot you’re talking about, definitely foreshadowing, pun intended

[@animestuff4523]

Insert you had me in the first half meme here

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

Oda definitely knew Dune the book decades before the movies came out its, Dune and its sandworms have been a whole cultural symbol for anyone that reads science fiction and fantasy for half a century, and Oda is cultured It doesnt mean he allways planned to make Jupiter a sandworm, but he knew about it 100% Jupiter being one may even be a marketing choice lol

[@emekaamerican863]

Don't forget about the 1984 movie

[@Bask3tChase]

Brother.... Tremors has been a whole ass franchise since the 90's.

[@leolegendario1]

And Dune is from the 60s and is the influence for all the underground worms/creatures of most media that came after, like Star Wars, Beetlejuice, Game of Thrones and Tremors too.

[@afranheartnet2462]

@@leolegendario1 And the mongolian death worm (which is a sandworm in all but name) has been a thing since the 30s. The point is that there clearly are more possibilities as to what Oda could've used as inspiration, and not just the one singular thing. And if we go exactly by Morj's example, you do know that chapters are actually finished weeks before publication right? If it was that Oda saw Dune 2 and yoinked the concept, the its impossible because the chapter was more than likely finished before the movie came out. And again, its not that it for sure isn't Dune's sandworm, it could be. But to say that this is the ONLY possibility as to what he could be is just asinine.

[@leolegendario1]

@@afranheartnet2462 How many movies or series have used the Mongolian Death Worm over the Sandworms from Dune as inspiration? Probably not a lot. If Oda hadn't named his form, I might have considered this possibility, but he literally named him SANDWORM, and all the other Gorosei have the same name as the mythological creatures. Why the hell wouldn't Oda name him Mongolian Death Worm if he was one? It makes no sense. If he called it a Sandworm, he is a Sandworm, anything else is only HEADCANON.

[@ultimatedespairgamer6722]

@@leolegendario1He didn’t say Oda might have gotten the concept from dune. He said Oda FOR SURE got it from the 2024 movie, which such a a bold and stupid assumption to make and then to say it’s the obvious and couldn’t be anything else drives it over the top

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

I don't care if your theories fail or not. I'm just glad i'm here to enjoy your thinking process and effort you put into those theories.

[@dineshbhusal5051]

Failed theories are always the best ones

[@abahtani1371]

​@@dineshbhusal5051I'm here for the scenario

[@sasparan7639]

His thought process sucks. I have the same theory but because all the other Gorosei are Yokai and he isnt. But no Morj is like he doesnt look the silhouette (he obviously does) and i didnt know sandworm and learned it in Dune so Oda must have done the same thing too. Bad reasoning with Enels seats too. Nobody betrayed Enel and Doflamingo got betrayed before the story. Other than that its fine.

[@dineshbhusal5051]

@@sasparan7639 idc for such stuffs, i m just glad i can listen to his theories to sleep lol. I don't even care about the content most of the time.

[@Uselessdudeful]

Everyone is bashing the worm thing while the rest of the theory really makes sense

[@hope757]

Yo wait, not only has Ju Peter been giving minimal effort against the Straw Hats like Morj said, but last chapter he rescued and released the Ciper Pol agents that were trapped by York. The Gorosei consider human beings to be ants, but he went out of his way to do that, showing he is different.

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

They might think of them ants, but they probably also think of them as literal human resources

[@fedegoma3597]

Also, the Seraphims were there as well. And the WG definitely needs them

[@rickmorty7965]

We've actually seen that the gorosei, despite not caring about human lives, aren't trying to kill as many as possible. Saturn ordered all marines to evacuate the island before the buster call started. He could've had them all stay and be killed but there would be no point to that. He certainly doesn't care about them but he's also not going for the maximum number of casualties. Same thing here with Ju Peter. He rescued the cipher pol agents AND the seraphim. The seraphim are strong, important, and expensive so the World Government would want to recover them. The agents were probably just a bonus. It's not worth sacrificing the seraphim just to kill some grunts.

[@rickmorty7965]

We've actually been shown that the gorosei, despite not caring about human lives, don't actively try to cause as many casualties as possible. Saturn ordered the marines to evacuate before the buster call. He could've had them all stay and die but there is no reason to do that. Mars could've killed Lucci for failing but he felt him be. What's telling is that Mars said he can't watch out to avoid stepping on ants, meaning that he's not deliberately trying to kill but his actions may cause collateral damage and he wouldn't care. As for Ju Peter, he rescued cipher pol agents AND the seraphim. The seraphim are too valuable to sacrifice just to kill some grunts.

[@nyshyn307]

More importantly than any of that, didn't Ju Peter let Cover keep talking on the transponder snail instead of trying to stop him? He might not be as strict as the others overall, which may lead to his betrayal

[@immagoingbacktobed1742]

I do want to point out that this particular character made an effort to save a ton of cipher pol agents. This is in contrast to the general mindset of the rest of the elder stars, one which likened humans to ants that they might step on accidentally, while another actively put them all in harms way by cutting egghead island.

[@jaidensantoyo8085]

Yup exactly. It's very possible that he has good intentions and maybe will help the Strawhat's later. Considering he values human life over the other Elders.

[@djacks247]

yes, this is the correct argument for this theory. and it wasn't even mentioned in this video lol.

[@Vizzy.787]

@@djacks247Because Morj wanted to include some random schizo argument about the Sandworms instead

[@thecheesyskull88]

I feel like the sillouhette thing is kind of a stretch. If he were a traitor wouldnt he be giving the revs information. If so why were they shocked about everything sabo saw.

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

Absolutely a stretch! How else do you draw a sandworm silhouette lmaooo

[@Harry-the-Hat]

His motives don't necessarily align with the revolutionaries.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

Maybe he can't, and was waiting for Nika

[@Kekkersboy]

​@@AcksD.Bharlotteit's a long shape with a big open mouth. The sillouete is for certain a giant worm

[@josiahbaumgartner7643]

Maybe he isn’t a traitor yet but will become one soon

[@Adex767]

Adding to this, Ju Peter is the only Gorosei to go out of his way to save WG employees. For a guy raised in a culture of thinking of the rank and file as insects, its pretty odd that he’d save hundreds of them from falling to their deaths by catching them in his mouth

[@metal87power]

Exactly

[@roronoarollin4849]

The dune head canon ruined this video mans cooked up some bullshit

[@papajohn7606]

All of the individuals that couldn’t be controlled or whose free will couldn’t be fully shackled were FORCED or programmed to do something that contradicts their inherent urges, beliefs and values. The gorosei have only been depicted as hyper-loyal servants who act based on fundamental conviction so far and I highly doubt that this will ever change. Claiming that it would contradict the arc’s themes, if one of the Gorosei doesn’t become a traitor, is a huge stretch in my opinion.

[@Mooglatan]

How do you make a Ju Peter traitor video and not even mention the Emperor Nero killing St. Peter thing? Poor show, Morj.

[@sgerantic]

Dang it I clicked it hoping he would, that theory been on my mind for months now

[@El-Californio]

Mongolian Sand Worm is a mythical creature from Mongolia

[@subitoforzando5816]

Rouge Galaxy has giant sand worms in it, Dune is definitely not the only thing, 😂

[@Saint_Augustus]

"God damn Mongorians always trynna tear down my wall!!"

[@abahtani1371]

Yes, sherlock holm 🎉

[@leolegendario1]

The name is Mongolian Death Worm (モンゴリアン・デス・ワーム), not Mongolian Sand Worm. The one in One Piece is called a SANDWORM (サンドワーム), the same name in japanese as SANDWORM (サンドワーム) from Dune.

[@zeke6335]

It's called a death worm, not a sand worm.

[@shayoko6]

Don't forget Cindry, the plate hating zombie at thriller bark. Despite being a corpse controlled by morias shadows. Near the end she cried and her body refused to move for some reason. As if the actual owner was stopping it somehow.

[@Truck-kun11]

I don't see any of the Gorosei betraying Imu this late in the game, the guys have already been doing his dirty work for centuries and they don't see any problem with destroying entire islands for the slightest of reasons

[@KingMinish]

now would be the best time, before if he rebelled he wouldn't have a chance, but Joy boy is back

[@ian.645]

morj must’ve been pressed to meet the Tuesday deadline to put out this kind of a miss

[@AcksD.Bharlotte]

16:39 Oda definitely read the Dune Novels & its a coincidence and the Silhouette DOES look like a worm Morj

[@adoniscreed4031]

Morj lost everyone with that zoan form stuff... 100% detracted it from his entire case. Insane reach my guy 😂 the silhouette looks like the zoan form.

[@dedark5067]

@@YokaiGotha Why would it be too late? This is the first time the Gorosei are doing something in the story and One Piece is full of traitorous subordinates. I personally don't really want him to betray the Gorosei but I feel like it's possible.

[@Problemsolver434]

​@@YokaiGotha I think a better argument would have been that Ju Peter rescued the Cypher Pol agents when the other Gorosei wouldn't. It's at least much better than the rest of the Dune thing

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

Morj is the epitome of the gif with the meme of that guy Spanish analyst drawing really fast

[@Orang_Himbleton]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@YokaiGothanah, Morj was cooking for the rest of the theory. Like, if we’re going to find a traitor in the group anywhere, internal monologue and actions are where we’d look, and the internal monologue wasn’t suspiciously not there, and the actions were suspiciously in way smaller quantity than any of the other Gorosei

[@fskfhg]

The silhouette does look like a worm though

[@Fancy_Jellyfish]

Morj really said “nobody read or knew about Dune before this year” lmaooo

[@diggins3234]

it's morjin time

[@captainjoemama]

I've thought it was him since the lulusia incident. He looked like he didn't want to destroy that island.

[@Northbirdy]

Okay so none of ya all know that (aside from the Novel) there has already been a movie adaption of "Dune" all the way back in 1984 which was also immensely popular in Japan and which also prominently featured a Sandworm design which is far more coherent with the look of Ju Peters´ devil fruit than the 2024 design? EVEN if Oda did see the newest movie - which I doubt given his tight schedule - him being inspired by the original movie that was far more influental to his generation seems way more likely..

[@leolegendario1]

Yeah, Ju Peter's worm mouth closes just like the one in the first Dune film (1984).

[@emekaamerican863]

Ju Peter is the oldest Gorosie. This is also the arc where we discovered Bonnie's real age. Ju Peter is the youngest looking Gorosie to throw us off. I'm just noticing this but all the Gorosie has numbers on their pentagram. Saturn's #5 and if y'all go to chapter 1110 Mars #4. The oldest Gorosie is #1 Ju Peter who's been the most quiet of all the Gorosie. I know people think I'm crazy but he's been waiting 800 years for Joy Boy's return to betray Imu because of his loyalty to Lili Nefertiti of Alabasta. Ju Peter is a double agent. I think Oda made him a dune sandworm to show his connection to Alabasta, the only island we've seen full of sand. Ju Peter is selective of when he speaks or usually doesn't say anything at all, he was the only Gorosie showing compassion to the cypher pol agents in Egghead by saving them while the other Gorosie didn't care about them at all, not even Rob Lucci and Kaku. Ju Peter was the only Gorosie member who didn't talk or have a thought bubble in Egghead. When Shanks or (Shanks twin brother) went to speak to the Gorosie, Ju Peter was the only Gorosie member with his back turned when he entered the room. When we first see Imu on the throne, Ju Peter is the first one to speak, Ju Peter is the one who had the most knowledge of the Nika Fruit, Ju Peter was the first one to notice Sabo when he attacked them and Imu, Ju Peter was the only Gorosie sweating seeing Garling. Y'all don't have to believe but Oda is constantly showing Ju Peter as the odd one out in settle ways.

[@Drunkgg775]

Ju peter is good? Gorosei are evil?

[@julien827]

Worms are very snake like what better thing is there to betray a god And even better jupiter/zeus is a god who rebelled against his father

[@Joker-eo6pq]

Who is the father of Zeus?

[@ReiseLukas]

​@@Joker-eo6pq Cronos or Saturn

[@A1K300]

Is this a serious question lmao a rat or... an actual snake

[@randomguy1928]

Apophis or apep, took the form of a large snake/worm in Egyptian mythology, like Ju peter, he also swallowed the sun god Ra.

[@palkinator]

Lost me at the Dune thing. Oda pulls from countless religious and mythos across the entire world. The Mongolian Death Worm was first speculated in the 1920s. And yes, it specifically says "Sandworm" but MDWs usually reside in sand. Aside from that last desperate grasp, I agree that if there were a traitor, it would probably be Ju Peter.

[@bidoof4938]

Jupiters gonna betray Imu and turn the planet into Arrakis

[@tyonteblack]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Leto II Atreides

[@chaostriforce2583]

It’s also pretty interesting that his name is St. Shepherd Ju Peter. Shepherds, in Christianity, are specifically symbolizes protectiveness and kind-heartedness, often being the ones to throw themselves in danger’s way to protect their flock. We know Oda loves his religious references and it’s possible that this is a clue to his actual personality

[@sandragonz813]

I was looking for this comment! To me, that's one of the biggest clues if Oda does decide to make Ju Peter a traitor

[@eternallegacy89]

Why are they so adamant about a Gorosei betraying? And for what reason?

[@amadhatter3280]

There's a few other clues as to why Ju Peter will turn on Imu: 1) His name: St. Shepard Ju Peter or St. Peter 1 of the 12 Apostles & the first pope (the leader of Christian world of humans not gods), Jesus called himself Son of Man to show he was human like his followers (the Gorosei don't refer to themselves as humans so another hint St. Ju Peter doesn't feel the same way). St. Peter is also said to be the "Keeper of the Gates of Heaven" letting humans into God's land. 2) His title of God of Agriculture: Agriculture is about growing something small into something of value, compare to the other Gorosei Money, Power, Land & Science its a lot more about helping humans then the other 4. 3) His Sandworm devil fruit could tie into Alabasta or a hint since Alabasta were the only one of the 20 families that didn't go to Mariejois, maybe a hint he's more aligned with humans like the Nefertari family.

[@themedallist]

I think this is the big twist that odas editor was talking about

[@knowinghimministries4556]

Nah that’s dumb

[@capitanodisseo429]

Morj: the silhouette looks nothing like a sandworm. Also Morj: proceeds to show the silhouette of a sandworm.

[@wordsandyou]

Last section makes the video way weaker lol. Not saying that inspiration isn’t there. But that silhouette is as detailed as the others. And it’s a weird point to be so adamant about since it’s not that strong an argument and relies on a ton of speculation. Rest of the points are good though lol.

[@juiuice]

exactly lol

[@KesslerVTuber]

Jupiter gonna betray imu by cancelling him on his twitter

[@bennybeck]

You know it is interesting Oda went yokai, yokai, yokai, yokai, DUNE MONSTER

[@lucavenn]

God damn. Never considered that that’s the main message of the arc. Absolutely nailed it. Thanks for making me and others realize this.

[@svz1345]

It's just a silhouette that shows the most noticeable traits of a worm, It's not that deep.

[@SacitoGabana]

I don't understand how morj missed that the Shark was not created by vegapunk but biologically altered a regular ass shark. Stussy is a clone of a person that exists so she is in her core like the other but makes her own experiences and can change based on that. The satellites are also not new creations but traits of Vegapunk himself that get the chance to develop without the other traits and can become something unique. So in other words IF imu created the gorosei himself without altering existing people then this videos premise is not applying at all...

[@rayray892000]

I can see Ju Peter's worm form being inspired by Dune, but I very much doubt watching the movie gave him the idea. Dune has been around since the 60s it inspired a lot of science fiction. Star Wars took direct influence from Dune.

[@somebodynobody1541]

I don't think this video is gonna age well Mr. Morj

[@MrVenom626]

Sorry Morj, but you are wrong with the sandworm origin. Dune's sandworms are iconic but Oda got the inspiration for Ju Peter's power from cryptid, Mongolian Death Worm. The Mongolian Death Worm is a mythical creature that is said to exist.

[@zeke6335]

His power is named sandworm, not death worm

[@leolegendario1]

BUT HE IS NOT CALLED A MONGOLIAN DEATH WORM! The one in One Piece is called a SANDWORM (サンドワーム), the same name in japanese as SANDWORM (サンドワーム) from Dune.

[@formerctgovernordannelmall1452]

I know i already said this in another person's thread last time you mentioned this idea, but I really struggle with the idea of Ju Peter being a traitor specifically because of the role he'd NEED to have in the Heavenly Tribute as Godhead of Agriculture. From that alone Ju Peter would be responsible for the lion share of starvation, death, and suffering in the One Piece world. Hed need to rebel for pretty selfish reasons (like a lot of people theorize Doflamingo would) if he hasnt just been secretly hiding a conscience beneath a stone cold glare this whole time

[@ReiseLukas]

Remember that Dragon is cutting off trade routes to Mariejois? Ju Peter would be a perfect inside man to help Dragon starve out the Celestial Dragons from the Red Line

[@formerctgovernordannelmall1452]

​@@ReiseLukas fair point, it's not like Ju Peter could just immediately stop the Tribute without giving away the game. But he's certainly still been complicit in a way even beyond how Vegapunk has been complicit in the WG's crimes, (and that complicity was something which Vegapunk fully acknowledged was a wrongdoing and moral failure on his part), so if Vegapunk was guilty of THAT much then Ju Peter would still be culpable in a very drastic way regardless of whether he started cooperating with Dragon covertly after hundreds of years of willing inaction. Like, the mere existence of the Royal Tribute is the single hugest driving factor for why anybody supports the Revolutionary Army in the first place. Same as in real life, common everyday people generally don't risk their lives to go upend their local government unless they're starving and can't feed their families. Especially like in pre-Revolution France, whose decadent Royal government was one of the biggest inspirations of the Celestial Dragons' culture. I'm really not sure what his motivation could possibly be if he's the traitor and this theory ends up being true. I really hope he isn't just secretly a good guy. It would be wildly inconsistent, and I trust Oda not to just heel turn humanize somebody on that level of evil. Unless Ju Peter has only been in this position for a VERY brief period of time and there was somebody else there until a few years ago who really put all these brutally evil institutions into place and Ju Peter was just kind of saddled with it

[@TheBrightlightlion]

@@ReiseLukas i was thinking the same thing when I read this comment

[@DarkChaos1986]

​​@@formerctgovernordannelmall1452 in the last SBS Oda stated that Ju Peter always fall behind of schedules because of a lack of interest and he's forced to stand in the hallway until he finishes, which is why he's always standing, if you are a traitor, a way to act is to be relentlessly negligent in your activities.

[@bigbangpegasusmaster]

@@DarkChaos1986 It was Mars, not Ju Peter

[@Aristotle000001]

I'm pretty sure there was a sandworm boss in Zelda Link to the Past xd

[@stephagermain3586]

The only thing holding this theory for me is the fact that Ju Peternis the only Gorosei with a "D" in his name...St. Sheper "D" Ju Peter! 🤯🤯

[@battlericky17]

13:21 he secured the seraphim last chapter lol

[@platypuspracticus2]

The rescuing of the agents is a pretty big tell in terms of how he values others' lives more than his peers.

[@reeshabdhakal2958]

There was a movie called Dune released in 1984 which showed the sandworm. What are you talking about just cause you don’t know something doesn’t mean its not a thing. First do your research before you make such claim that sandworm wasn’t a thing before 2024.

[@Nubin2000]

Mongolian Sandworms are mystical creatures that inspired the Dune Sandworms. Also, Oda probably read the Dune books since they were written since the 1960’s. Oda probably is a massive classical Dune series book fan reader.

[@josiahbaumgartner7643]

You know the chapter released March 18th was completed LONG BEFORE March 1st………. Right?!

[@prssssss]

This is the first time I have blatantly disagreed with Morj. That silhouette is clearly meant to be what he ended up being, a worm. I don't think Oda is the type of writer to watch a movie and then immediately decide to use a design from it for a chapter that is literally days away, especially for a long term character like Ju-Peter. Everything else said in the video, I can see it. Nonetheless, enjoyed the video as always.

[@DarkAnarchy666]

At 16 mins non of the points make sense. We see a worm silhouette, you say it doesnt look like a worm and claim its from dune. He hasnt achieved a thing? And what has Saturn achieved? Peter ate Luffy and the giants saved him also he used humans and buildings like trash and puked then out to attack thr strawhats. We don't see him express hate. Dont you think the other gorosei would know since we know that they communicate telepathically. Sorry but thats another L

[@milesyelton9927]

That is assuming that the goosei don’t want to be serving imu. By your logic one of the strawhats would also betray luffy, but we know that won’t happen because they genuinely want to serve and help luffy. The same could be possible for the gorosei.

[@formerctgovernordannelmall1452]

While I'm also hesitant in believing a gorosei will ABSOLUTELY betray Imu, I don't think Morj's logic would imply a Straw Hat traitor, as all the examples he gave that set the precedent for that pattern were in the subordinates of the villains whose central character trait is their god complex or their position of godliness over their subjects

[@multiversusuniversity6806]

not what he is saying at all LOOOOL

[@rickmorty7965]

not sure about the straw hat logic leap but I agree this video makes a pretty big assumption. It is easier to assume the gorosei are all just evil and are content serving Imu. Not everything needs to fit into the same pattern.

[@mehencemyself]

Bro never saw Beetlejuice.

[@MiniBinguss]

the sandworm point is better when you think about it being written in japanese in katakana (due to it being a foreign word) which makes his zoan form different in name from all other gorosei, it is also the only zoan among the gorosei that isnt a demon but a sacred being. Another point would be the fact he is named "Shepherd" and the "ju" part of his name uses a symbol that looks like a cross, which i would say is a clear reference to jesus, someone known for a sacrifice for humanity, so i think ju peter will sacrifice himself for the good guys.

[@wuwop.777]

This was pretty convincing for the first 15 minutes and then he started talking abt sm dumb shit lol

[@P-Weaver-u6g]

Gorosei might be doing it for the love of the game

[@anthonyhunter4639]

Morj’s channel is the definition of just throwing every theory at the wall to see what sticks just so he can continue plugging sponsorships

[@bumiangkara5669]

the others 4 is yokai. japanese demon. while sandworm is western folklore.

[@strawhatandrew8341]

Nah, it's still Eastern. The Mongolian Death Worm anybody?

[@bumiangkara5669]

@@strawhatandrew8341 D-E-A-T-H WORM vs SANDWORM.. can you spelled?

[@leolegendario1]

@@strawhatandrew8341 If he was an Mongolian Death Worm, Oda would have called him that, but he didn't, so he's not one.

[@marktalledo9191]

The silhouette and Ju Peter’s form is literally identical. What is Morj going on about? It’s literally a big head with a mouth and eyes.

[@gman8477]

I think that even if Ju Peter betrays them...He might get replaced by Garling ..😅.. New chapter 1125 spoilers are out and my predictions were half way right .😂

[@kingdomkey2888]

burned down the kitchen with the sand worm part Morj lol I like the rest

[@berndbernd3464]

bro, theres a dune movie or TV special every decade The siluet literally looks like a giand worm thing with an open maw

[@Thefufflylord]

Okay, so these are interesting ideas and fun to think about, but the Dune thing was ridiculous. You do realise that Dune is one of the most influential sci-fi stories, right? Oda is very well-read (much like Miura was), and if you are right about Dune being an influence, then he probably read the book. Another point: the four major Gorosei forms are based on Japanese folklore, but Jupiter's is not. That would have been a stronger argument than the Dune one.

[@GourSmith]

Yeah … Sure … The guy that was in complete *awe* and amazement of Imu’s presence will be the one to betray him. Gotcha.

[@veryMPressive]

i still enjoy morj theories but i think alot of peoples issue - my issue as well - is that his language makes it sounds as if his evidence is soooo in your face and obvious that its basically a fact 9 times out of 10 i think morj hits the nail on the head when it comes to one piece analysis. this is just a flaw of his that rears its head every now and again

[@veryMPressive]

ive suffered through a handful of one piece theories that were faaaar more “out there” in terms of their overall concept and with much poorer supporting evidence to boot

[@iCJesus777]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Oda saw the movie and made it a devil fruit, but he could’ve also read the books considering the guy is a literal book worm.

[@namshimaru]

14:07 This theory starts going off the rails.

[@RestlessGamblrr]

we are seated!

[@j_free]

My man released this video just to meet his quota...

[@clevelandodom8318]

Morj, you really need to take the anger & frustration out of your voice. It's not that deep. The first half of your analysis makes sense cause Ju Peter has been relatively silent this whole arc, but your sandworm argument is a huuuge reach.

[@ydidishitmyself353]

I feel like jupiters role will be to reveal how to actually hurt the gorosei/imu and give some extra information about imu/the void century. I dont think he will aid in combat, i think he will aid in information

[@MekKelatee-g8e]

The sandworm stuff was just mumbling. No point to this video at all

[@Johannulka]

I like the idea and in my opinion there is a lot to it but he totally buried it by the last point and how insistent he was about pure speculation.

[@sostreight]

bro looking like the handsomest lesbian of all time

[@sweenigami]

Bro there is no fucking way Oda didn't read Dune. Are you insane?

[@selwyntan4014]

But arent you falling into the same trap of forced parallels that you cautioned against in a previous video?

[@rickmorty7965]

Yeah, that's literally the foundation of this whole video and some previous videos on this topic. Enel and Doflamingo both had 4 subordinates, therefore Imu couldn't possibly have 5

[@神-m1v]

Been on a morj binge video lately keep it up 👍

[@OYKOT..]

Now the logic is that Jupiter is a D clan member 😂