The Gospels REALLY Changed Jesus!

[@MythVisionPodcast]

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[@Melody.Joy.23]

I’m about to order it. So excited 😆

[@eirvingdiaz7185]

great video, very informative Jesus death is similar to Socrates, but Jesus death is identical to the death of Gaius Julius Ceaar, it even falls on the same day Jesus was crucified 14 Nissan which is March 14 And Longinius was the spear used to stave Jesus, but with Ceasar Longinius was the back staving Senator who staved Ceasar. Also, Ceasar was crucified. They put his armour on the Cross and Jesus dies on the Cross. Also, in Judaism most of the stories are a copy and paste from Egypt. Even YHWH is an Egyptian god YH. No Jews built the pyramid, hell no.

[@lev26shalom97]

Hello! How does one get in contact for a formal debate? I know you are in a circle of have the connections to put forth a good debate. I’ve been debating for a little while and would like to test some scholars that you work with. Thank you on advance!

[@deniss2]

Nah, I prefer my myths to be honest about their status and intent. In other words, just tell me up front that it's a fairy tale. Then I don't have to pretend that I'm reading something serious.

[@stalker7892]

@@lev26shalom97 These psychos need to be called out in debate but my sense is they won't, to keep free range on their conjecture.

[@davidwitt7522]

I wanna say thank you for the captions on the screen, for someone who’s hard of hearing it really helps

[@william6223]

Aye I'm reading this in auto-translated German

[@chrisazure1624]

Yeah, but it is Pilate, not Pilot. I guess the difference flew over their heads.

[@leighmelnychuk8859]

It’s quite sad to be still be believing (as I once did), that; the world flooded, people lived past 900 years old, a boat saved humanity, 10+ humans were raised from the dead, zombies came out of the ground and on and on and on….these are stories! People wrote stories! How on gods green earth can we, as a species, put James Webb into L2 orbit, see the early universe etc., but still be so lost on this what what written in this story book? It’s literal insanity.

[@Melody.Joy.23]

Yes! I believed it too not that long ago. When you are told from a young age that satan is trying to destroy the church and not to be “of this world”, it’s hard to finally look critically at your beliefs.

[@howaboutataste]

And the head of NASA quoted the Bible and completely misconstrued what he was reading. Entirely divorced from it's context.

[@alexhudson-]

Did you know that in many parts of the US and Canada, they actually taught flat earth in textbooks? Crazy how flat earthers are so demonized, when their grandfather may have raised them ya know? I dunno I feel like we need to be kinder to people.

[@patricksee10]

Typical disillusioned protesters are a legion here. It’s called safety in numbers

[@heginschristianstrong7707]

@@Melody.Joy.23 from the looks of the comments section, Satan is doing a good job. And there will be a great falling away from the church.......

[@SuprousOxide]

They try to go both ways. They DO claim the Bible is inerrant, everything in it is absolutely true! But also "You have to account for differences in fallable human perceptions..."

[@ineffableartistsmusic4109]

Thanks Derick. I like the shorter podcasts that have deep meaning for the overall picture of this mystery.

[@solomonessix6909]

Dennis you are brilliant! Even the 500 witnesses present at Jesus’s death ordeal are similarly present at Socrates judgement in the form of jurors.

[@devinking8175]

Oh shit!!!!!

[@ancientfiction5244]

Well, it seems you are right. I didn't know that one. "What could Socrates have said or done that prompted a jury of *500* Athenians to send him to his death just a few years before he would have died naturally?" *"The Trial of Socrates"*

[@dwaneanderson8039]

Interesting. The 500 witnesses weren't in the Gospels, but rather the letters of Paul. This suggests that Paul was familiar with Socrates.

[@dwaneanderson8039]

@DoubtingThomas 1st Corinthians 15

[@chrisazure1624]

It is an idiom. No one counted the people. It was an approximation expressed in an idiom.

[@mikedaniels969]

This is one of those things that I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me and now I can’t stop thinking about it. I just might get that book, actually. Really interesting stuff!!

[@owenoulton9312]

Socrates last words: "I drank *_WHAT?"_*

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

Very likely. The Gospels were written by erudite people, fluent in Greek, and more than likely in Greek philosophy, traditions, history, and mythology. They undoubtedly coloured the story of Jesus to mesh it with the values and lores of their Hellenized audience. The story of Jesus borrows ideas from the story of Socrates, but also from the story of Prometheus. Isn't Jesus hanging on the cross, his side pierced by the Roman soldier's spear, like Prometheus, chained by Zeus to a rock in the Caucasian mountains, his liver pecked by an eagle? Jews, the knowing and interested ones, refer to Christianity as Hellenized Judaism, or Judaism Light, and they are right about it. This is certainly *not* what Jesus intended, he would be horrified, but it may be what St Paul intended.

[@guillermoostapczuk541]

This is really cool. Dr. mac Donalds really has a point. Thanks for sharing. Greetings.

[@equinoxproject2284]

D…love you bro! You have given scholars, researchers, laypeople, and authors that we would never have been exposed to a global platform to disseminate their life’s work. They must love getting the opportunity to share their passion more widely then they ever thought they could. To be honest they wouldn’t nor couldn’t have done it without you my guy. p.s. looking forward to some wood chopping videos. 😉

[@Critical_Capybara]

You really cant have both “all scripture is God breathed” and “the Gospels HAVE to be different”

[@Thomasw540]

Dennis MacDonald is almost exactly correct. First of all, I cannot begin to express how delighted I am with Dennis MacDonnald's and Robyn Walsh's thesis that the Gospels, generally, and the Gospel of Mark, in particular, are a literary project. I has been my growing conviction since 2013 or so, when I retired and got a laptop and began seriously researching the proposition that Cornelius is the author of the Gosple of Mark and the currator of Quelle. And I am particularly delighted with this particular exploration of the relationship of Jesus and Socrates. I came to the opinion during that period that Jesus was referring to Socrates cup of hemlock in Mark 14:39, but have kept it to myself because both Apologists and Jesus Seminar trolls would counter that He was refering to Jerimiah and Psalms and dismiss the connection. I personally lack the horsepower in terms of scholarship to bring the point home. The cup and the cross both represent instruments of the secular rule of law and, going back to Romulus the king, violence as an instrument of state. Socrates represents the paradigm shift from the aesthetic of the Heroic man's duty to the Gods to the ethic of Western civilizaation of man's duty to man. Socrates was convicted for corrupting the youth with this heresy. In terms of N.T. Wright's version of Pauline Theology and Hebrews, Jesus was sent to affirm and validate Socrates submission to the rule of law, first with the Law of Moses, then the secular rule of law of the Roman Republic and the separation of church and state it represents. With the exceptin of Richard Carrier, who was in the Coast Guard, and Jimmy Tabor, who was an Air Force brat, you have the most military experience of anybody in your MythVision community and Bart “Giggles” Ehrman's Chapel Hill feifdom. Yon know what a Command Sergeant Major like Tim Walz is. Cornelius was Pilate's Command Sergeant Major and he was either seconded from the Italian Regiment or had requested this position as his final duty station before retiring, which was common with the Praetorian Guard. He could have stayed in Rome as a supernumerary, but he had achieved his climax plateau at that post and wanted to be in charge. He wasn't an operational CSM, generally, but was Pilate's Chief of Staff and head of administration. The 10th Legon was under his inspection but not his command He became the currator for Quelle, which was the intelligence archives of the 10th Legion and included the rounine surveillance files on John the Baptist before Jesus took command of the movment at His baptism. Like the Gospel writers, Josephus took his portrait of John the Baptist from Quelle. He grew up with the 10th Legion, probably suffendered to them and hung out with them during the investment and reduction of Jerusalem In the Greek manuscripts, εὐθὺς defines the contours of Quelle in the Gospels and Acts and is a Roman intelligence apparatus that I translate as “eye witness” although it may have had a more precise meaning in the original Latin authograph. The one thing that Dr. Fredricson can be assured of, historically, is that Cornelius was in the room with Pilate during Jesus's interrogation and he conducted the investigation of the circumstances conatined in the Gospel of Peter and the euangelion of Mark 1:1, Acts 15:7 and the 19 citaations in the Epistles. It is important to remember that the centurion and 16 soldiers assigned to defend the tomb were subject to captial punisment for losing the body of Jesus undter the stricuturs of habaes corpus of the authority to which the centurion in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 refers that astonishes Jesus. In that regards, most of the reported words of people throughout the narrative of the Bible are transliterations of the original emotional response to a presenting stimulus. In the case of the centurion in Mark 15:39, his first Puckr Factor response was “Oops!”

[@equinoxproject2284]

The northwest has created a lumberjack. Love the new rough look.

[@jerryjones7293]

Thank you for this work. The proposition connects the dots of anonymous Greek literate writers of the "Gospels".

[@neilericksson6989]

Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much.

[@kurtoogle4576]

Great Insight & Comparisons!

[@waderogers]

Great exegesis coming from Dr. MacDonald. It takes a very deep understanding of the hero's of the Greco-Roman world to be able to then see the literary parallels between the characters of Socrates and Jesus. One would have to know both stories equally well to say 'hey, where have I read that before'. I'll also add that Luke didn't come right out and say 'look, I'm making a literary parallel between Jesus and Socrates'. For educated Hellenized Jews and Gentiles, he wouldn't have had to publicly state what he was trying to do by writing the historical fiction of Jesus the way he did: those people would have also known and read about Socrates and his death and been familiar with the stories. Plus, this type of story narrative would have appealed to Gentiles who were familiar with the memetics already in play and would have helped make the story of this Jewish messiah more palatable to a Gentile audience.

[@investigandolabiblia]

How many scholars take this view in his book?

[@waderogers]

@@investigandolabiblia not sure. I haven't purchased it yet, but given the wide influence of classical Greek training on people who learned to actually write in Greek (I had a year of Greek in college), the Greek classics would have been studied by people before, during, and after the time of Jesus. They would have been familiar with Homer and Socrates, and others and would have not only read them but also studied them. In English Literature classes in college, we had to read and dissect classical works so things wouldn't have been any different then.

[@investigandolabiblia]

@@waderogers you have an interesting background! So basically because by Jesus time they were very known so the writers most likely knew the structures so they used it for their own theological agendas?

[@waderogers]

@@investigandolabiblia yes. Most works of fiction have the same basic elements: hero, antagonist, conflict and resolution, good guy is temped to turn to ‘the dark side’, historical places where fictional events take place, etc. Look up ‘mythical hero archetype’:

[@waderogers]

@@investigandolabiblia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rank-Raglan_mythotype

[@wyspowillow4219]

My church uses similar drone pads in the background when someone is praying. Really gets you in the mood for some otherwise unbelievable stuff, eh? That’s to say nothing of this intriguing presentation - it just has a curiously liturgical feel to it.

[@olegkibalko7131]

As an exchristain... it really set the mood for the touching story of Socrates and its parallels in the gospel. Made me really appreciate the story.

[@Skymannot6939]

Thank you Derek and Dr MacDonald, that is quite a comparison.

[@investigandolabiblia]

I know and it’s an extremely deep view. But have you ordered the book?

[@Skymannot6939]

@@investigandolabiblia I’m working on that.

[@artemisnite]

I saw the similarities with Socrates when I first learned of him. But I was still brainwashed from childhood and wouldn't admit the obvious truth.

[@d000d-z9p]

2 penguins walked from Antarctica to the middle east you know

[@davida.taylor8444]

10 and a half minutes through and I feel compelled to show appreciation for Dennis MacDonald reading from his book and demonstrating some of the parallels - this even has me sitting at my desk with my Kurt Aland's Synopsis of the Four Gospels opened to section 330, Gethsemane and me thinking that Luke's Jesus is very stoic compared to Matthew & Mark's, and then to section 336 where Luke's Jesus indeed is not bound as Mark and Matthew's Jesus is. To see some of these differences laid out like this along with the linguistic differences MacDonald mentions (Jesus kneels in Luke versus falling to the ground in Matt & Mark) is very compelling and interesting, along with the parallel of Socrates "perverting our youth" versus Jesus in Luke "perverting our nation." Super interesting and really, also a great advertisement for MacDonald's book. But the icing on the cake is that while discussing how Luke, through mimesis, is "mimicking" Homer and others, true to form, this interview, with its sacred readings and congregational read-along, even soft melodic music playing in the background, also is mimicking a church service even down to the level of catching the congregants yawning during the sacred readings :D Derrick, glad you retained even the yawns in this interview to really convey the new church, liturgy and sacred readings you're establishing =D All in jest, of course; this is an enlightening interview.

[@randalalansmith9883]

What do we know about the real Samantha Stephens? We take what was fabled in Bewitched, and simply remove all the incredible stuff. So we know she had a husband named Darrin. And two children. And a mother named Endora. And we know she lived on Morning Glory circle. That's the historical Samantha Stephens. We don't have any parking tickets, or rent receipts from her lifetime. But we know she must have existed, or else why would someone have written Bewitched. We have both the black-and-white series and the color episodes to go from.

[@dbarker7794]

My church believes that Samantha is an angel of the goddess Venus.

[@professorfidelcat]

Muslims have been telling their Christian brothers this for 1400yrs! So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, and then say, 'This is from God,' that they may exchange it for a little price (2:79)

[@robertjimenez5984]

Is there any scripture wrote by a god? All scripture are written by us humans. May the god that wrote anything step forward.🤣

[@ancientfiction5244]

Dear Muslims, You are good at critically examining other "holy" books, but never your own. Look up: *"6 Ways The Quran Has A Lot In Common With The Bible - All That's Interesting"* *"The Bible and Qur’an Are Very Similar Books | Griffin"* *"Walking by Moonlight: My Journey Out of Islam - The Ex-Muslim"* *"Why Islam is False - Atheist Republic"* *"Rebuttal to Shabir Ally : Its True! The Quran Borrowed Stories From Preexisting Sources"* *"Scientific Errors in the Quran - WikiIslam"* *"Cruelty in the Quran - Skeptics Annotated Bible"*

[@vegeta8169]

@@ancientfiction5244 The Irony.

[@professorfidelcat]

@@ancientfiction5244 Quran is the Last and Final Testament.. we believe in the Original Torah Given to Moses and the Injeel given to Jesus peace be upon them all.. thats why you see some similarities.. Quran came to correct some of the inconsistencies and errors in the Torah and Gospel .

[@Hastenforthedawm]

@@robertjimenez5984 the Quran is the only one that actually claims itself to be God itself directly speaking with no interjections.

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

Great video mate, your passion for truth is obvious 👏

[@justinmarshall9977]

Thanks!

[@MythVisionPodcast]

Wow! Thank you so much for that love and support! I seriously appreciate people like you. It's your support that makes me work harder.

[@justinmarshall9977]

@@MythVisionPodcast thank YOU!

[@mdug7224]

Brilliant observations

[@Camerinus]

Just a small note: At about 19:39 "dikaiotatos" is not the comparative but the superlative: "most just".

[@dougfm415]

Derek looking like the Plaid Dracula with the collar popped up! 😂 Great channel sir! Been enjoying your stuff for a couple years now!

[@investigandolabiblia]

Plaid Dracula??? 😂😂 that was a good one

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

Awesome 👍

[@cheaptrickfanatic3496]

I, still, think it's fair to ask; as insanely fascinating as info like this is, I'm unsure what the ultimate goal of those of us who pursue it is? I mean, the various forms of Christianity are not founded on the doctrines that these types of ideas seek to unravel. Those doctrines flow from an EXPERIENCE with something folks attribute to the divine. Paul, is a case in point... the blind man Jesus healed in the temple was a case in point as well. Folks have an experience and the belief systems follow. Whatever belief systems those may be. You may unravel the belief system, but you can't unravel the experience. So, when I read so many comments about how folks skeptical of the Jesus phenomenon cant believe so many are willing to believe such hogwash, I ask myself if, perhaps, the folks asking the question dont get what's at the heart of this thing.... the experience of the "divine."

[@glarris1]

Amen. And thank you.

[@jacobtracy7847]

I've been watching a lot of this channel and Gnostic Informant. Ok Mythvision- Derek, G.I. - Neal. Sometimes I have to filter what interview I saw from which channel. Maybe you should interview each other on an episode? Both have great content. Keep it up.

[@Robert_L_Peters]

It would be difficult to corroborate any Jesus biographical information from the gospels with Paul, since the only thing HE seems to know or care about is that Jesus was crucified. But which one is it: does he not know or does he not care? What are the implications of each?

[@TimBitten]

The line about the cup is a Biblical mysticism phrase. The body is often called the “golden bowl/cup”, meaning it is a vessel for the spirit. The silver cord is what keeps the contents of the golden bowl tied to the heavenly realm. (Hence the verse saying to take care of your earthly business before “the silver cord is cut and the golden bowl is shattered”)

[@albionicamerican8806]

Christians could have left well enough alone by remembering Jesus as an exemplary moral teacher whose message is accessible by the world's uneducated, unintellectual common people who can't be philosophically enlightened to understand the reasons for a moral life. Spinoza portrays Jesus this way in his _Tractatus Theologico-Politicus,_ for example. In this interpretation, Jesus is the dumb man's smart person, kind of like Jordan Peterson. But no, Christians had to go full woo-woo on Jesus by imagining that he became the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like he's Pinhead in those dumb _Hellraiser_ movies or something.

[@patricksee10]

Who could care less about such a person but for the 100% woo woo? You don’t

[@joshwondra9821]

I feel like Jordan Peterson is nobody's smart person

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

With Christians fetish for torture porn in the passion of Christ, one could think it is pinhead.

[@deannapowell7237]

Full woo woo. 🤣💯

[@IsimplyWill]

There is quite a bit of temptation to look back and say that transforming Jesus into what he became was silly. But I think that view is unfairly reductive. The point of exposing these parallels is more to understand that Christianity isn't exempt from the same mythologizing that was so common among other belief systems of the time. Christianity simply had the fortune of being influential in the Roman empire, which led to it being dispersed far wider than it would've ever been under other circumstances. From there, it simply got adapted and appropriated by various cultures and then politicized when those cultures began to use it to either mitigate, prevent, or win conflicts. It's fascinating and saddening. The core philosophy and the figure behind it are wonderful, but the ensuing dogmatism tainted it.

[@cosymedia2257]

For sure Luke's story makes more sense... but also the comparison with Socrate moreover because he was Greeck... (since the copies that we have from the NT are in Greeck) So... Still it doesn't change the most important : there phylosophy.

[@curbroadshow]

It was written in Greek, for a Greek/Roman audience, by mostly unknown authors hundreds of miles and decades away from the events they portray.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

$5000 reward for any Christian or a Mary worshipping Catholic, to show me where any prophet in the Old Testament worshipped the Trinity or Jesus. Show me one single verse.

[@thetruth871]

@ JESUS IS A MUSLIM Mr Muslim put your money were your mouth is, if you are a man because Iam going to Shaw you not only one scripture were it says that Jesus was worshipped. But i will do better then that, i will Shaw you a few here? >>>>>>> Was Jesus worshipped during His earthly ministry? The Old Testament taught against worshiping anyone other than God. If Jesus accepted worship of Himself, this would mean He believed He was divine. Did Jesus receive worship from others? The New Testament reveals Jesus receiving worship on many occasions. Each time, Jesus accepted the worship. Matthew 8:2 notes a healed leper who worshipped Jesus. Later, a ruler knelt before Jesus after He had healed his Son. Matthew 9:18 states, "A ruler came in and knelt before him." The disciples worshipped Jesus after He walked on water. Matthew 14:33 shares, "Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'" A Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus. Matthew 15:25 notes, "she came and knelt before him, saying, 'Lord, help me.'" The mother of James and John also knelt in worship before Jesus. Matthew 20:20 shares, "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something." Mark 5:6 describes a man worshiping Jesus who was tormented by evil spirits. We read, "when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him." A healed blind man worshipped Jesus. John 9:38 states, "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him." Matthew 28:17 notes an occasion after the resurrection of Jesus when all of the disciples worshipped Jesus. We are told, "when they saw him they worshipped him." Thomas worshipped Jesus when he saw Him alive again. John 20:28 teaches that Thomas responded, "My Lord and my God!" (so pay up or shut that hole for ever.)

[@JesusisaMuslim]

@@thetruth871 You seem very confused and uneducated. My challenge was for anyone to show a PROPHET in OT where they worshipped Jesus or the Trinity. You will never find a single verse. Your talking about people worshipping Jesus? Well Daniel was also worshipped. Daniel 2:46. Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. My argument is simple. No prophets worshipped the Trinity or Jesus. Meaning they only believed in one God and not a stupid pagan Trinity

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

I bought the book!

[@investigandolabiblia]

Can u then give me a review of it

[@investigandolabiblia]

If anyone ordered the book would love your review

[@davidgibbs7573]

Your channel seems more authentic and professional now that you've dropped the Comic Strip opening format.

[@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow]

The apostles creed said Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father, while we're also taught that Jesus is God. I understand the trinity being father son holy spirit all being one.

[@maizen5267]

Jesus is the name that Christ man inherited.. John 5:43 i have come in my father's name→ which is Jesus/Yeshua... so yes the man Christ Jesus is in the right hand, but the father's name is Jesus..John 17:3 this is eternal life: Now thatthey know you the only TRUEGOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent..Jesus of nazareth/Christ man is talking to the Father/the only TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ..this is what many people dont understand and even the priests dont explain it.. they are 1 because of the name and teachings..

[@cindyanne4812]

Quite interesting, indeed. I must commend Dr. MacDonald for his expertise. I bought his book and have about 100 more pages to read. This in no way nullify's my belief in Jesus and our Heavenly Father; it only intensifies my belief and the absolute genius of our Creator. I have a personal testimony with physical proof. I found 3 Crosses, a white stone, a 1977 KJV Bible...I've heard His voice a few times and so much more. In Genesis 3:13 ...and the woman said Nachash H SHAY Ani. In Genesis 1:1 Brashyt translated as an anagram says Son God Creates Gift (Shay) Appointed Time.

[@lizadowning4389]

I guess you didn't record his voice when he "spoke" to you eh?

[@EdwardM-t8p]

In Mark, Jesus suddenly cries out in a loud voice and suddenly perishes. It sounds like he died a most violent and shameful death from impalement, either on a simple impaling stake or a "piercing cross", Seneca Younger Moral Epistles 101.10-14 In Luke, Jesus relinquishes his spirit.

[@ganechandraningthoujam9929]

Is Noah's Flood Copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh?

[@lizadowning4389]

Very possible. The resemblance is in any case striking, and we know the Jews in exile at Babylon got in contact with those narratives, just as they encountered the Zoroastriac religion (official religion of Persia) there. The flood isn't the only thing though, the garden of eden, creation of man and woman are also mythological tales from that region ... and more than a thousand years predating the biblical texts.

[@romansview3231]

The earliest copies of Aristotle's supposed writings are as follows. The earliest copy of one of Aristotle’s manuscripts is from 1100 A.D. (1,400 year time span) with as many as 49 copies existing. And The earliest copy of Aristophanes’ work is from 900 A.D., a time span of 1,200 years from the original manuscript. Only ten copies have survived. Compare that to the number of existing ancient manuscripts of the New Testament is tremendous. “Approximately 5,000 Greek manuscripts (including codex Vaticanus and codex Sinaiticus), containing all or part of the New Testament, exist. There are 8,000 manuscript copies of the Vulgate (a Latin translation of the Bible done by Jerome from 382-405) and more than 350 copies of Syriac (Christian Aramaic) versions of the New Testament (these originated from 150-250; most of the copies are from the 400s).” (J.P. Moreland, Scaling the Secular City). And you expecting us to believe the supposed writings to come from Aristotle when even Josephus's positive account of Jesus is questioned by scholars who know full well that the hatred of Jesus began in rabbi Akiva's time , 75 ce onwards and continued, even to "obscuring plain Messianic prophesies in the Masoretic Text .( 7th to 10th century CE.) W

[@atheistapostate7019]

I’d say all we can know for sure about Jesus is he was only a man, he had a following and it got him crucified. Everything else is just Hellenized stories made up to fit the gaps and promote this “god” above others.

[@joshwondra9821]

The mere fact he had a following didn’t get him crucified. He claimed very specifically to be the Jewish god present on earth. This caused multiple factions to form within Judaism, all of which threatened conflict with each other. Rome killing him at the request of the local power structure made sense as a peacekeeping measure. Zealots don’t have a figurehead to rally behind against Rome. The existing power structure is no longer threatened by this new guy, since 1.) he’s dead, and 2.) you can’t kill God and he died, so he was wrong about being God. They weren’t JUST Hellenized stories. That’s the majority of Paul’s writings and a couple gospels. There’s equally a part that is Semitic influenced on purpose. Lines are drawn to the “historic fathers” or to “cultural memory” rather than to Socrates. Which sorta makes sense given the environment in which it was produced. Jews and non-Jews will be persuaded more effectively by different means.

[@Strutingeagle]

Dereks beard is working for him man!! All is forgiven in the treatment of Dr. Price in fact fuc# Price now that you sport such a beard. Good work my man!!!!

[@terryfox9344]

It's interesting to me that my "gospel" of Mark is different than Dr. MacDonald's. Specifically, the words of the centurion, immediately following Jesus' death, in my English translation are: "This Man really was the Son of God." MacDonald's version says: "Oh sure, this mortal was a son of a god." Of course, the original written text was in ancient Greek, not English, so neither quotation is correct, but indicates the importance of translation. The meanings of these translations are precise opposites. In one, a fact is stated. In the other, sarcasm is used to deny a so-called fact. This is important, because it totally changes Mark's intended meaning. As an honest seeker of the truth, I would like to know which is a correct version of what Mark intended to say, and why it is "the" correct interpretation, if we can know such a thing.

[@DrSales-zl3kq]

Ur reading the king james version which smoothed over everything so there is no inconsistency throughout the Bible. The New Revised Standard Version is the version most commonly preferred by biblical scholars; this is due to its basis on what are often considered the oldest and most reliable manuscripts, and its strict adherence to word-for-word translation.

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

Practically every modern English Bible translates Mark 15:39 as yours does. Dr. MacDonalds writes this in his book The Gospels and Homer: "Perhaps one should translate the centurion's statement as follows: Oh sure, this mortal was a son of a god!". His point is that the statement is not a confession but a gloat.

[@chrisazure1624]

@@DrSales-zl3kq New Revised Standard Version Now when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was God’s Son!”New American Standard Bible And when the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw that He died in this way, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!” King James Bible And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

[@nhprman]

The idea that Luke plagiarized the story of Socrates is not a new theory. A book was written about this back in the 60s or 70s.

[@nick7977]

I don’t follow his argument on his friends being close by when he died. From my reading they were all at a distance being men or women .

[@SinghRoadwayS]

This book is not available in India 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@jamesboswellii2034]

How can everything be "up for grabs"? Seems to me what we have here is a ringing case that Mark's version of Gethsemane and the crucifixion come FAR closer to what really happened than do Luke and John (and even to a smaller degree, Matthew). I really take issue with Paula Fredriksen (although she is an eminently commendable scholar!), when she states what she states on p. 294 of her "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews"), and I find that Dale C. Allison, Jr. is far more correct in the fifth chapter of his "Constructing Jesus: Memory, Imagination, and History."

[@jamesboswellii2034]

This has been accepted to appear in The Pantagraph of Bloomington-Normal, IL, 01/20/2023. From the Pulpit James Boswell Disgusted by too many cynical or dishonest historical Jesus studies, I came across Joachim Jeremias’ “The Proclamation of Jesus” (1970) while living in Germany at the age of thirty-three, and the book struck me like a breath of fresh air. I was delighted by Jeremias’ convincing presentation of Jesus’ authentic sayings, but also by his admirable honesty in admitting the overwhelming textual evidence that Jesus himself was expecting an imminent apocalyptic ending of the world in his own generation. While I was devouring Jeremias’ book (in German!), I had no way of knowing that a teenager in America was also excitedly reading Jeremias’ book and finding it so intriguing that he decided to become a scholar of the historical Jesus! Today, at age sixty-seven, Dale C. Allison is perhaps the foremost of such scholars, having authored “Constructing Jesus: Memory, Imagination, and History” (2010), a work of immense significance. Like Jeremias, Allison demonstrates that Jesus was expecting an imminent eschatological ending of the world, followed by the divine establishment of God’s Kingdom on all the earth. An important difference distinguishes the scholarship of Jeremias and Allison from that of many other highly rated historical Jesus scholars: Both are convinced that Jesus expected to be put to death, and believed that his dying was willed by God for a good purpose, and for that reason he did not flee from death, but embraced it - even if with some reluctance in Gethsemane. Both scholars thus reject the position held by many others that it was not Jesus himself, but the early church, that found significance in Jesus’ dying. As Allison states, “Jesus’ decision to die, whenever made and whatever the motivation and whatever his precise interpretation,” left behind memories with his earliest followers that are too numerous and vivid to have been creations of the later church (a position Allison defends in his fifth chapter with startling freshness). Although Allison is careful to state that his historical conclusions do not necessarily support “the theory of atonement,” he leaves it up to theologians to try to answer the question, Why, then, did Jesus believe it was God’s will that he die? That question I myself am attempting to explore in my youtube video series, “Jesus Laid Bare” parts 1-4, with more to come. The reader may wish to take a look at them - and then study further. ________ Boswell is a retired pastor of The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) whose views may be accessed in his youtube videos, “Jesus Laid Bare - Imagined Conversations with Jesus” and in his novel “The Dead Sea Gospel.”

[@jvlp2046]

Steadfast and remain with your Christian Faith... Satan/Devil is trying hard to destroy the Integrity, Reliability, and Trustworthiness of the Word of God (Biblical TRUTH)... Amen...

[@jvlp2046]

@@hosanna4175 To a few (Elderly Matured/Adult Faith), it is obviously the Work of Satan/Devil, but to many (Baby Faith) it would be hard for them to see and distinguish... why?... for the LIES hide from these Highly Intellectual People with PH/Master Degrees and held the title of DOCTOR or PROFESSOR...

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Angel: Jesus, some Atheists are at the Pearly Gates Jesus: Ugh, tell them I'm not here

[@harrydecker8731]

All secular biblical scholars will agree that there are many errors and contradictions in the gospels. They will agree myths may have been introduced as well as dramatization. They will agree that stories were added, altered, and omitted. Almost all secular historians, however, will disagree that Jesus was an entirely mythical figure. What's more they will point out numerous parallels in writings about many historical figures. Interview some secular historians to provide a balanced view. (Also, the background music is annoying.)

[@harrydecker8731]

@@doubtingthomas136 I'd like to see a debate between a few secular historians and a few mythicists. I've spent years investigating the gospels, and although I do indeed see problems and myths, I also see a human story taking place behind the scenes. I think Jesus used deception and secret helpers to pull off his miracles. If I had some helpers, I could take them to Israel, and I could have them reproduce almost all of Jesus miracles using knowledge and material in Jesus' time. I can show how Jesus walked on water, and I can show how he turned water into wine, and I can show how the transfiguration was accomplished. I can also show how to stop the Jordan River from flowing, and how to set up a stone altar (as in Elijah's time), pour water on it, and have it burst into flames. It's just knowing how it was done.

[@terryfox9344]

The title of this is a bit ambiguous. When I read this I thought that the author's point would be that these 4 gospel writers decided to change the known Jesus of history into something different. But that isn't MacDonald's point at all. His point, rather is that Luke didn't like Mark's "Jesus", so he changed him into Luke's "Jesus". Thus, Luke takes Mark, and then writes a very different "story". This is very interesting and helpful in understanding both Mark and Luke. However, I have never been a fundamentalist, so I don't need to be convinced. Also, I respect that fundamentalists have a right to their beliefs, and I have no interest in polemics against them or their beliefs.

[@eternalgospels]

Why don't you, Derek, instead of asking simple questions to Dennis, ask him the hard questions; what scholarship exists for dating these platonic documents and we will watch intently.

[@paulrichards383]

I don't need to type in ALL CAPS to say that this discussion is false.

[@markshepperson3603]

What colour this Jesus? In Thailand where I live he’s a Asian eyes baby. Lol.

[@julielarge6120]

Very interesting but there were textual variants in all of the new testament. Please explain Jesus' end time prophecies. Thank you.

[@ciaran82359]

Do you mean the vague prophecies about wars and famines?

[@richman8082]

Great

[@mistermurtad2831]

This is the most entertaining site on YT. It has the most creative and speculative views without attention to detail show I ever watch.

[@julielarge6120]

My belief is the disciples dispersed at the capture of Jesus and the trial but some were with him at his death..

[@chrisazure1624]

You know you can disperse and sneak back, don't you? Some may have been near and some farther away.

[@russell311000]

This is good sleeping music,

[@DrSales-zl3kq]

Why isn't this book in e-format??? I only buy ebooks

[@petermacdonald8331]

It's multi-volumn format would be unwieldy in ebook format I'm afraid.

[@poynt7957]

Wonderfully round number 500

[@fiveSolas879]

there are no contradicctions in Gods word

[@alphaomega1351]

Oh Socrates was my road dog 🐕 back then. 😶

[@frankb9149]

yup , at least you have come to realize it , and that jesus has his people is a way of life. Back Then.

[@alphaomega1351]

@Frank b Negative 👎! Nobody said anything about sweet zombie 🧟‍♂️ jesus. 😶

[@willempasterkamp862]

' I'm not finished, I'll be back '' ; Nerones Jesus is an Hector, Judas (Seneca) compares Socrates, they all die a noble death. Only Simeon dies 'upside down' ; by his own choice and full of regret. one story telling he hangs himself another (changing and contradicting) telling he bursted open. Luke wasn't a fan of Seneca (Ananias). In acts Luke let him suddenly drop dead, infamously and selfinflicted . But it's not true, in reality it took a long time and even a warm bath to end his life by bleeding.

[@nealpeterson3113]

Dear MythVision, I enjoy your episodes. You are one of the better lectures on the web about religious history and context. You do not scorn religion. I see you as a sympathetic critic. This particular release of yours with Dennis MacDonald needs some cleaning up. The sentence texts inserted on the screen have mistakes. Mistakes happen. The bad one is Psalm 21:2. Clearly Dennis is saying Psalm 22, the utterance of Jesus on the cross "My God my God why have you forsaken me". Th Gospel passage is misunderstood by most Christians, I dare say. It sounds like a cry of despair but it is far more than that when you go to Psalm 22 and read what it says. Psalm 22 starts in agony and ends in triumphalism. Perhaps the utterance is an insertion into the Passion ordeal by the author. Perhaps not. Read the psalm as I post it in, below. (Note, I capitalize the vital verses that apply directly to the crucifixion since italics are unavailable but capitals are.) PSALM 22 MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted, and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. BUT I AM A WORM AND NOT A MAN, SCORNED BY MEN AND DESPISED BY THE PEOPLE. ALL WHO SEE ME MOCK ME; THEY HURL INSULTS, SHAKING THEIR HEADS: "HE TRUSTS IN THE LORD; LET THE LORD RESCUE HIM. LET HIM DELIVER HIM, SINCE HE DELIGHTS IN HIM." Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. DOGS HAVE SURROUNDED ME; A BAND OF EVIL MEN HAS ENCIRCLED ME; THEY HAVE PIERCED MY HANDS AND MY FEET. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. THEY DIVIDE MY GARMENTS AMONG THEM AND CAST LOTS FOR MY CLOTHING. But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! FOR HE HAS NOT DESPISED OR DISDAINED THE SUFFERING OF THE AFFLICTED ONE; HE HAS NOT HIDDEN HIS FACE FROM HIM BUT HAS LISTENED TO HIS CRY FOR HELP. From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him-- may your hearts live forever! All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-- those who cannot keep themselves alive POSTERITY WILL SERVE HIM; FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL BE TOLD ABOUT THE LORD. THEY WILL PROCLAIM HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS TO A PEOPLE YET UNBORN-- FOR HE HAS DONE IT.

[@paulkiernan3256]

The Gospels in many ways atmre composed the same way as typical biographies in the ancient world. There was little access to facts. There was a filling in between the known and pivotal facts, based on the known character. Stories were often used to convey truths rather than getting all the facts right. Most Christians are not fundamentalists so it is a false dichotomy to contrast the ancient narrative forms against contemporary fundamentalists or even contemporary biographical expectations/narratives.

[@frankb9149]

What you're forgetting in your statement is the understanding of how many years are really between just 100 hundred Years. And that schooling in those times was mostly Sumaria , Assyrians , Egyptian , greeks , Roman-greek , and they have so many Gods in the people it lives in the whole entire region . Think about it

[@williambeckett6336]

Is Derek finally drifting back to the logic of mythicism?

[@ptk8451]

Miracles do happen even now

[@Zulutime44]

Don't forget, we have a detailed, eyewitness account of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Gospel of John, leave no doubt about the factual events. "Do not cling to me, woman. I have not yet risen."

[@curbroadshow]

Not eyewitness, none exists.

[@lizadowning4389]

The gospel of John was written around 100 CE so he couldn't have 'interviewed' witnesses being present at the event. What he wrote down was hearsay and oral tradition at best. The best proof that the ressurection never happened lies in the utter silence. The silence that other known historical writers never mention that event.

[@Zulutime44]

@@lizadowning4389 - I believe disciple John was physically present at the crucifixion with the 3 Marys and present in the locked room with the other 10 remaining disciples after the resurrection when Jesus miraculously appeared to them as proof that he defeated death. In John's advanced age, while living in Ephesus and Patmos, he related to his followers his experiences as an eyewitness to Jesus' ministry from beginning to end. John being illiterate, his followers wrote his gospel under his supervision. Charity, Humility and Faith are hallmarks Christianity.

[@chrisazure1624]

It is Pilate, not Pilot (or even Pilote). I can see how speech recognition could get it wrong, but the person who put in the subtitles should spell it right.

[@christodantakri]

Though you compare the death of Socrates with Jesus yet the death of Jesus Christ is precious and propitiation of mankind. His death is for me and I believe without doubt.

[@jdaze1]

Psalm 18, 22, 41, 91, Hebrews 5:7, Isaiah 53 refutes anyone was crucified or killed. Read them carefully folks. He lived a LONG LIFE and was delivered from his enemies because of his piety. Thats the point of PASSOVER. The firstborn SONS of Israel were passed over by the death angel. Isaiah 40:3 in hebrew refutes who people have believed is the one John prepared the way for in the 1st place.

[@frankb9149]

Remember Do not mess up the SYSTEM , lmao

[@perlefisker]

A pity with the captions. Credo = Crito Pilot = Pilate

[@maxcassidy4527]

it's funny when people born yesterday pretend to know what happened 2000 years ago.....as if 😂😂😋😋😃😃

[@taidoram8411]

Why don’t you ever do the comparison of Christ and Krishna?

[@berglen100]

How do many children born from same parents have same mind think same ways is diverse from each other so Imagination and faith don't agree on what it means cult, mystery, fake, perfect, lust likes and disliked, no hell or satan, hell and satan believed, fear or laugh, book writers good, boring, truth for you, lie for others. Your entertaining but Neville Goddard melts your story of stories historic fuzzy for energy not seen is big silences to flesh.

[@StannisHarlock]

It's nonsense like the conversation Jesus supposedly had with Pilat that make me want to believe that the mythicists are onto something. Was it customary for writers back then to fill out the holes in their knowledge with total fiction? I only ask this because I think most scholars believe that a lot of the words attributed to him are actually accurate, and for the dialogue that has several witnesses, that might make some degree of sense. But for the conversation like the ones Jesus had with Pilate, or what Jesus said in prayer while the apostles we're all asleep in Gethsemane? There are no witnesses for those, and the dialogue is very specific in pretty much all of his private moments. Pilate wasn't likely to be a source for the gospel writers, and the story gives Jesus no opportunity to recount that conversation to anyone. I know the believers think the New Testament is divinely inspired, but not all scholars believe that, and yet I've heard some of those scholars attempt to parse the fact from the fiction with respect that things he said. How do we know all of his words aren't fiction? I imagine a lot of his words were confirmed by the apostles, but we know that they weren't that great at getting the sense of what was saying in the time he was saying it. How is someone supposed to have confidence that they got the sense of it when they were decades removed from the time of his ministry?

[@ancientfiction5244]

There's a good article below that addresses this. *"Neither the evangelists nor their first readers engaged in historical analysis. Their aim was to confirm Christian faith (Lk. 1.4; Jn. 20.31). Scholars generally agree that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus. They thus do not present eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus’ life and teachings.* Unfortunately, much of the general public is not familiar with scholarly resources like the one quoted above; instead, Christian apologists often put out a lot of material, such as The Case For Christ, targeted toward lay audiences, who are not familiar with scholarly methods, in order to argue that the Gospels are the eyewitness testimonies of either Jesus’ disciples or their attendants. *The mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant lands, after a substantial gap of time, by unknown persons, compiling, redacting, and inventing various traditions, in order to provide a narrative of Christianity’s central figure-Jesus Christ-to confirm the faith of their communities."* *As scholarly sources like the Oxford Annotated Bible note, the Gospels are not historical works (even if they contain some historical kernels).* *"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* Also, look up: *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*

[@StannisHarlock]

@@ancientfiction5244 Hey, thanks. This was a bit of a baffling topic for me for a while. I posted my original comment before watching any of the video, mostly because the title got me thinking about this stuff. I had no idea they would also address most of my question near the end of it, when they said Christ's crucifixion is the only thing they can be relatively certain of. I will definitely look into your references. Derek's enthusiasm for this stuff is freaking contagious.

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

"Was it customary for writers back then to fill out the holes in their knowledge with total fiction?" - yes, it was. Why do you think Herodotus was called "The Father of Lies"? But don't forget that there was an eyewitness to everything that happened in Jerusalem at that time: Woland. "‘The thing is . . .’ here the professor looked around fearfully and spoke in a whisper, ‘that I was personally present at it all. I was on Pontius Pilate’s balcony, and in the garden when he talked with Kaifa, and on the platform, only secretly, incognito, so to speak".

[@eddiebarnum4884]

Absolutely. Both. Bible. And. Quran. Have. Contradictions!!!!🤔

[@margaretdevelden5385]

got it! (the book)

[@Mayeverycreaturefindhappiness]

A tad over prodused with the music

[@markhoulsby359]

Gentlemen, Thank you for this. I should like very much to buy a Kindle edition of Dr. MacDonald's book. What is the probability that I'll be able to do that, please?

[@devinking8175]

oh shit Dennis looks old!!! Need different lighting or background.

[@davidburroughs2244]

He is, poor guy He is nearly as old as I am, after all.

[@glarris1]

None of the Gospels are history books.

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

The just demands of the law which Jesus fulfills are not suffering and death at the hands of men. That being the case, with a little here and a little there, Is 28:10, with weeds sown among it, Mt 13:25, and the chaff needing winnowing, Lk 3:17, the whole of the bible is expressing witness to Jesus within stories of the bible that 'borrowed' from existing stories, such as from Gilgamesh, as the vehicle for the message. The sacrifice of being made to be sin begins with Adam sharpening the sword for the day of vengeance and judgment. Or, again, when Noah treads the winepress. They both start out in a barren world and both are found naked. Again, Esau, the first born, lives by the sword, is yoke to his brother and serves his brother, Jacob, the usurper, who was born ‘striking at his heel’ like the Shining One (Snake/ David the Morning Star) striking at the heel of Adam. Satan is the cornerstone of Jesus’ work of salvation. in his name this man stands before you healed. He is 'the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.' (Act 4:10-11 NABO) Is God unjust, humanly speaking, to inflict his wrath? Of course not! For how else is God to judge the world? (Rom 3:5-6 NABO) If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master." (Gen 4:7 NABO) the Lord, who crushes kings on the day of wrath, … judges nations, … Who drinks from the brook by the wayside and thus holds high the head. (Psa 110:5-7 NABO) He holds his head up, Master of the Demon Sin. There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world (abyss), Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world (abyss) were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) God sent a burning east wind; and the sun beat upon Jonah's head till he became faint. (the way of the Lord in the desert) (Jon 4:8 NABO) 'Who will go down into the nether world (abyss)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." (Rom 10:7 NABO) Luke understood. For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, namely, 'He was counted among the wicked'; and indeed what is written about me is coming to fulfillment." Then they said, "Lord, look, there are two swords here." But he replied, "It is enough!" (Luk 22:37-38 NABO) As the Lawless One, 2Thess 2:8, he leads them stray, as if with a bridle in the mouth of the people, Is 30:28. With all the powers, signs and wonders at the disposal of falsehood, the red Dragon/ First Beast having been given the power, throne and great authority of The Dragon, Rev 13:2; 12:3. Jesus rules from his throne, preserving it for him. The vision of the evenings and the mornings is true, as spoken (Dan 8:26 NABO) In the morning you will say, 'Would that it were evening!' and in the evening you will say, 'Would that it were morning!' for the dread that your heart must feel and the sight that your eyes must see. (Deu 28:67 NABO) Whenever it passes, it shall take you; morning after morning it shall pass, By day and by night; terror alone shall convey the message. (Isa 28:19 NABO) "I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth (Gen 6:13 NABO) Your covenant with death shall be canceled and your pact with the nether world shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes, you shall be trampled down by it. (Isa 28:18 NABO) The story of the creation of the New Heavens and New Earth is related in the first creation story. Jesus is the light created on day one, while the sun and moon are created on day four. The sun refers to the Shining One (Snake/ David the Morning Star) being a bright as that of seven days, when Jesus binds up the wounds left from his blows, Is 30:26. Jesus rules from his throne, preserving it for him. Of course, the sun being as bright as seven days could be because of the waters above the dome (sky) refracting.

[@garyfrancis6193]

Derek obviously loves to spout out his beliefs before he listens to anyone. I’m not impressed.

[@jdewit8148]

I've been trying to add this but mainly silence seems to prevail my comments. YE'SH'U'(Ayin=silent) YE'machah SHem V'zeker (Ayin=silent) YE................SH......U...(A=silent) YE'machah=Yah Blot Out SHem=your Name V'zeker=+Total Memory (Ayin=+Appearance) No wonder nothing real was left and a "fake Story line" needed to be made up. This came from the mystery religions such as, Dionysus, Mythras, Tammuz, Osiris, ect. Only the core of the message remains real, "To love your neighbours/enemies as yourself and not to take an eye for an eye". Christ wanted only the simplicity of this message to remain TO TRUE FOLLOWERS, so that his identity would not be worshipped as a God. "Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.

[@kubicmile9609]

7 Hundred years Before Jesus was born; in the Old Testament writings that stem back nearly 4000 years. , there are several hundred individual separate prophecies about a coming messiah , about the birth to a virgin woman , his life , his ministry , his death and how he would die , and his raising again to life , were fulfilled by Jesus , what you say here andf now will be proven false very soon , what you and your so-called dr. will be begging for forgiveness from the very person you claim does not exist !!

[@Dawahdude0]

Christianity is big mess- God is Mystery, Trinity is Mystery, Crucifixion is Mystery Resurection is Mystery Nothing can be certain but people still believe I wonder why ?

[@jimfoye1055]

Pilot?

[@edwardadelman5360]

If you people would study the miracle of fatima and the life and miracles of padre Pio you would leave atheism far behind

[@Pseudo-Jonathan]

Yeah, fortunately the vast majority of scholars and historians reject MacDonalds exegesis. Nice try though

[@lowelldellalba8003]

Do people pray to Socrates? Did Socrates perform any miracles? HAVE people been able to quit drinking and drug addiction due to SOCRATES? Are there Socrates churches? Is is any power in the name of Socrates?

[@ryandavis394]

Hesus Krishna Sanskrit for Christ King 🤴 Of The Jews (Sun Of Constantine) was a Divine Roman deity made up by Constantine the "Great".Rabbi Yeshua Bar Yosef was an intinerant nomadic apocalyptic Preacher non-conformist anarchist.Yeshua and his group of followers drew the attention of the local roman constabulary,he was ordered to be excuted for his teachings and the methods of them.He was excuted on a stake outside the Citywalls.He was seen a few days later by 3 credible eye witness accounts,he was teleporting.The methods of immortality where only know to him for there was only ONE way of achieving it. Remember, blame it on the Jews!

[@josephmarcello7481]

Background music? Really?... In a presentation purporting to be a scholarly exegesis about the actuality or non-actuality of certain biblical scriptures? Have you lost it, man? This is not an advertisement or musical manipulation massage, this is scholarship. Get the manipulative so perfect drug-like music out of there and stand on your own two feet. Heavens, if this is what your spiritual life has brought you to, it's time to go back to the beginning and start again.