The Gothic Bass sound of Peter Steele. What makesType O Negative so different? Goth Broth.

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[@BLeeFAFO]

Great insight on Peter's tone. One thing I did learn from Johnny Kelly (And Kenny also chimed in) when I had opporrunity to meet him once ( Met Johnny a few times actually, Great guy and mosnter drummer) is that Peter would in fact have two rigs set up when recording and would sometimes use a Radial or Tech 21 switcher with a Sansamp on one rig to dial it in more precisely. Also he would typically double or triple track (not copy and paste the DI) and he and Josh would usually mute the track with the most low end during mixing as they wanted the kick drum to dominate the bottom of the song and the bass guitar to sit moreso between the drums and low end of the guitars in the frequency spectrum. Even though I always kind of cringed at their mixes sometimes I in hindsight understand why (In a way lol). Also since they tuned to B Standard on normal 4 and 6 strings, hacking out most of the low end was deemed to help keep everything from becoming too muddy and mushy. I did get the chance to see Type O live once and their live mix was much more even and "full" sounding and IMO sounded phenomenal. But, Again even though I have to admit I wasn't always a fan of their album mixes I could sort of understand the intent. Plus, It did certainly give the band a unique sonic character. Great band, Great songs and sorely missed. Also, You're not wrong on your views of Rock and Metal, There are still gems here and there, But it has been declining steadily in the last decade at least. The onset of DAWs and programmed instruments (gridded and edited nauseatingly to "perfection") has certainly played a role. Plus people's perception of music as an art form has been almost completely replaced as just a commodity. Little lyrical or musical content, Very little effort in writing and arranging Almost all effort focused toward production, loudest mix possible with few dynamics, And generally just very foruliac and uninteresting Plus the industry obviously is much less interested in cultivating a band's career or growth as there's supposedly less resources to spend, Though labels, platforms, venues, promoters et al still tend to carve out more for themselves than even before (in a lot of cases) leaving musicians with even less financially than in the past. There's very little incentive in any sense to be willing to sacrifice so much, in order to recieve little to nothing in any form a lot of the time. I'm sure many will try to refute or contest everything I've stated, But I seriously doubt I'm wrong. I've been involved in two eras of the music industry, Both as a recording and touring band member, And as a writer. I was signed to two indie labels (One distributed by Sony) in the early 90's. And re entered the musical landscape again in 2009, After many things in the industry had changed drastically. And though my views are strictly my own, I do have the vantage point of seeing how things were versus how they were a few years back (I stopped in late 2016). And even though there was tons of pitfalls and bullshit in the industry then, It's not impossible but damn near to earn any lasting success or even a living now. Ok, longwimded blabbering over. Cheers Owen, Great one yet again. 🍻

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Epic comment. Pinned.

[@BLeeFAFO]

I also meant * opportunity and *formulaic *long,winded etc etc.. not the glitches lmao!! Had a few mistakes as I was typing...lmfao Appreciate you Man, Stay true to yourself and don't quit. You'll start growing again. 👌

[@danse777macabre]

I'm going to be a huge rockstar

[@coconoir9015]

Thank you I'm agreeing. A.I. is destroying everything and obliterating creativity.

[@DaisyHead666]

plus keep in mind, most of the time Josh was mirroring Peters basslines on his synth. That added a lot of low end to the mix so having the bass guitars low end cut would keep it from becoming just a rumble.

[@nickkalinay5653]

I remember asking my guitar instructor over 20 years ago how to get Type O Negatives tone and he just said “I have no idea…” and he just moved on with the lesson 😂

[@ItsRyan265]

Inspiring...

[@bbandthesv]

Riveting...

[@fl7210]

LOL

[@RoxRevanharte]

I was fortunate to grow up as neighbors to the band. At 15yo they were the first live band I seen in a small venue. The moment I heard that first note, to the distortion and feedback. I was forever sold into this breed of metal.

[@billymanilli]

WOW! That's super awesome! I wish I could've been there to see that! ...and yep; their sound is SO unique, and I LOVE it! It's so "haunting"... and even the look they had going... it all fit together perfectly to make the little hairs stand up on the back of the neck! 🤘😮

[@larswesterhausen7262]

0:08 You could have called me as I took this pic of Pete's pedal board at a Carnivore (not TYPE 0) show in Essen, Germany back in 2007 where I was invited to by then Carnivore guitarist Paul Bento. The Type O stuff at Wacken 2007 - when I was a guest of my bro Josh Silver looked more complex though.

[@jdw2150]

As far as the "digitalization" of metal sucking the life out of it, you are correct. I'm a tube rack guy and a tube amp head pedalboard guy, and as painful as that is, it is the "life" in the sound.

[@SteveSmallwoodthemachine]

So glad i got to see a TYPE O live . They opened for Fear Factory . An amazing show.

[@mraza9]

Type O never opened for FF.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Creepy green light.. what a bassline. Thanks for this Owen. Loved it

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

My pleasure

[@AugustThor438]

One important note is that the bass is tuned BEAD but the string gauges were 110-90-70-50 so he was basically using very light gauge strings, kinda like Mark King but in B 😊

[@AlfieHDrums]

Sorry I'm kinda new to bass, how do you make the B string not sound really buzzy and flat with that gauge string?

[@AugustThor438]

@@AlfieHDrums you just set the bass up accordingly. Turn the truss rod to adjust the neck and maybe raise the strings a bit. Also might be a good idea to have a light touch with your right hand

[@crazysilly2914]

piccolo strings?

[@CaptainGrims]

I heard it was DEAD.

[@Thr3-Words]

8:33 I'm left handed and I LOVE this fact! So many teachers will say the same ignorant thing: "You need to play right handed. You'll be a much player for it. In fact, all us right handers should be playing lefthanded guitars, because picking is easy, fretting is the hard part" YOU R3TARDS! NO! Picking is the hard part! Fretting only seems hard because you're using you're far, far, faaar weaker hand! And that's not muscularly weaker; it's the hand brain connection that's shit. I know one insanely accomplished lh player who plays right-handed, and he says he thought he just didn't have good time, until someone handed him a lefthanded guitar in a shop and asked him to try it out. Not only was he immediately able to play it kinda well, but his rhytm playing was instantly tighter. Now he records rhythm parts lefthanded. Peter Steele found the über-male solution though 😃 holy shit!

[@billymanilli]

I'm a lefty too... and honestly, when I first decided to buy a bass guitar and learn to play it; I tried both left handed and right handed. Honestly, they felt pretty much "equally awkward". I went with a right handed one, solely because I knew it would be a lot tougher to find "lefty" basses and if I ever wanted to play somewhere, where there was a bass laying around... it's very likely gonna be right handed! TLDR; several years into playing; I often wonder if the reason I still struggle SPECIFICALLY with picking; is because I should be doing it with my left hand... I dunno... but I'm not switching now! lol

[@onloveandsublimation4912]

This was very accurate. Peter used hot glue to keep his DS1 settings from moving. This was the key to him. Also, on stage he used a Peavey Kilobass amp which has two separate power amp circuits. (it wasn't custom, it was off the shelf) This might have allowed him to pull off the clean/dirty channels live. I've recreated this effect with that gear, so, it's possible that you're right about that. I suspect (recall hearing) that he used the Peavey Max pre-amp in the studio which is the front end of the Peavy T-Max amp without a power cell. The Peavey T-Max amp was billed at the time as one half (one cell) of a Kilobass, so that front end pre-amp probably delivered his tone in the studio. Don't underestimate the impact of this amp on the TON sound. There's something to it. Also, he used a Fernandes Sustainiac pick up, probably two, to get that crazy sustain. I suspect that he had that carried over into his three Washburn guitars that he used toward the end. He had them built in the custom shop so it's hard to say what he had put in there.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep great info. I hear he got frustrated with the Washburn sustainiacs because they kept on malfunctioning so he ended up dropping them.

[@Woozy.0]

I got the bass, but the guy before me took out the sustainer :(

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep they were always sketchy on bass guitars esp ones with thicker strings for lower tunings.

[@onloveandsublimation4912]

@@Woozy.0 You can replicate a lot of the TON sustain with a Boss CH-1 and a DD-3 pedal in sequence following the DS-1 pedal in combination with the stock EMG 35J pickups (and a shit ton of feedback off the cabs). You probably won't get that crazy single note sustain, but it will be pretty good. It will have that RAW sustain that he had back in the days of Bloody Kisses, and who would complain about that.

[@Woozy.0]

@@onloveandsublimation4912 thank you very much! I have the Fernandez 8 string and it's very capable of getting low. I'll try to approximate this

[@xerofugkery4742]

Feedback wise Peter used a modified fernandes sustainer system installed in his basses. So he could control it in the studio and live since he was tied to a mic stand to sing. Also he had a bass that was made a longer scale cuz he was damn near 7 foot. R.i.p. Pete you got alot of people thru their darkest times in life showing us we weren't alone in suffering. Awesome how u didn't leave out how he was left handed and played right handed, props for that 🤘

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

That sustainer was a short lived aspect that kept failing until he abandoned it. It was used for guitar but is less useful on thicker strings.

[@AvyScottandFlower]

- He used real amps to create musical feedback - Ok - He also made frets buzz -Oh no, wait a minute

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Free fuzz

[@manu.roseneige.godrie]

I don't understand, what's up ? sorry haha

[@MarkOhlsson]

About Silvertomb and other Kenny's project, the issue is not just a question of tone and voice, it's a question of songwriting. Kenny never was so much into Pete's gothic side of the music, he's more into the classic doom and stoner aspect side inherited from Black Sabbath. He said many times he was not such a fan of Bloody Kisses. Also note one thing, the sound of a band is not just a question of tone, I insist because many musicians in metal are often focused on the effects and gear and forget the rest...including the question of musical language and harmonic language, and Peter had a very personal approach to harmony in his songwriting, that's an aspect many people who try to emulate, overlook or fail to understand, including all those musicians who try to make songs in the style of Peter... they believe it's just about having the voice and the tone and then they would sound like Pete... But they don't...They got the flesh and it's important but not the soul of the style. All those 'what if Peter Steele wrote this song and stuffs' attempts don't get it... Because they focus on the tangible aspects (tone, superficial elements of style, slow, alternate low tuning, low vocals, etc.) But it's just scratching the surface, one key element in the sound of Peter's style is his harmony. This is another intangible elements for many musicians who are not trained in harmony, they can't see it cause they don't get how chords work, they just use them intuitively, without understand the grammar behind it. That's also why they don't sound like TON even if they hit the tone. I rarely heard musicians got it, occasionally some do partially, in an awkward way. For example, Frown, for one or two songs, but most of the time they miss the spot. October Noir somehow seemed to understand there was something going on in that department (the harmonic language, chord progression and scales) and they tried to approach it, but they don't really understand how it works, so they end up ripping off entire chord progressions from TON instead, because they don't understand the harmonic logic of Peter. When you don't understand how it works,you can't be autonomous with it, so you just rip off their chords. But at least one can credit them for figuring out there was something going on in that direction.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep he was a good balance to the sexier Gothic aspect Pete brought to the table. My bass playing style is similar to Steve Severin or Paul Raven so I think it would drag it into goth metal.

[@PostArmageddonNeoBarbarian]

I've always used his tone as a sort of roadmap for my own. It would be impossible for me to exactly copy as I'm a finger player and don't tune as low. The chorus setting is so tricky to get right in an actual mix, even with that exact setting he used. When mixed with a distortion or OD I always fought with it creating too nasty of warble that clashed with guitars. Especially when playing fast. I always wondered how he got the balance perfect with that, because you can hear him using a similar set up all the way back in the Carnivore days. He seemed to have it dialed in perfectly.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep that chorus was only $60 too.

[@PeterSTIHL]

I've heard that "set-up" is actually from a Carnivore show.

[@doggwoggle]

this channel made me start listening to type o negative. thanks for that

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

That's what it's all about!!! ❤

[@doggwoggle]

[@joevampire]

Nice to see Goth Broth back on the channel.

[@BataraKado]

@circle of tone i know how much of a fan you are of type o negative and same as me im a die hard fan. i have used that pedal board pic aswell to get the peter steele tones for my bass on my music... and god damn Owen you nailed it!!! i swear you are right on point... esp the ds-1 he used the vintage ds-1 during october rust and early albums... anything after 2005 was using a new ds-1 ...

[@paulmcroberts4675]

Seen Pete rip out his bass strings at the end of their set. Monster of a guy.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Hehe. Monster of a bass too. Bass strings have a lot of tension

[@ParanormalArson]

Not only does everything not have to be perfect, I'd argue that perfect tends to run counter to what we want in metal, hardcore, heavier rock, etc. Those nasty imperfections add character.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Extractly. Lemmy etc were rough around the edges.

[@GothRocker7]

Great work Owen, I am happy you did this video. I saw Type O Negative four times. I will never forget that live sound and how it felt. You felt it when they played. Great job, I miss Type O Negative so much. They played loud and everything you said here is correct.

[@GothRocker7]

I am really looking forward to this!!!!!!! Long Live Peter Steele and Type O Negative, Owen bring back the goth broth!!!!!!!!!!!

[@nickmaatjes5611]

hell yeah, i love the goth broth series!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

​@@nickmaatjes5611I'm working on Bauhaus

[@onloveandsublimation4912]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Now we're getting somewhere.

[@Thr3-Words]

I don't know your housing situation, but it would be cool if you did a video comparing/experimenting with feedback and riffing

[@ar156]

Good to see tone videos again! TON was always one of the most unique sounding bands

[@nimlhug138]

That's a huuuuge vanilla sausage. Thank you so much Owen

[@crypticwritings3]

Great video!! I’ve been studying and playing type O for 15-20 years now. One thing I’d like to share as far as the feedback was they all used Fernandez instruments with the sustainer kits. Up untill dead again. Stay negative my friend! October Rust NYC

[@VintageGotham]

Super video! You hit everything spot on. You are correct, where are the characters today?

[@Bunny-Soup]

As someone who uses amp modelers I NEVER record directly through the sim, I always mic up the monitors or I use a real cab, the feedback and chaos is 100% necessary.

[@scottdahlberg4890]

I miss them. I could cry a thousand days and he still woldn't come back. Music is the reason I am still alive. You are right, metal and rock are dying. Show me the new Slayer, Kind Diamond, Danzig, Motorhead, Type O, etc....... There isn't. It is gone. I still have the energy when I start playing AC/DC's Livewire in my mind, I can hear every note and power of unsurmountable energy in everything when the song starts rolling through my mind. I find the same way with every band and song that I love. I find the power and use it. I have to, if I wan't to keep alive. I am 52 years old now and I still here the music in my mind. Will I when I am older, I better. When I no longer able to play guitar and here the cords ring out or the pinch harmonics scream, time to call it and meet my maker. Besides, I have all the greats already waiting on me in Heaven. In respect to the tone you talk about, I notice alot of special things and nuainces that other people just don't hear. And I sit and wonder just how in the hell did they do that. The problem is, I will never know.

[@downtuned9000]

Just about everything with steel stands out his tone, writing, and definitely his voice! A true one of a kind RIP 💚

[@armadilloclub9020]

Congrats for the video. I think you truly understood who Peter was, a giant with a sensitive and fragile soul. New follower here

[@baldurval1]

This was awesome!!!! Great work mate.

[@jg7923]

I wish that I could find a Synth / Keyboard nerd to recreate some of the Synth Pads that Josh used on October Rust. Especially the one on Christmas Mourning around 1:19-1:37 of the song. I know he used a bunch of different ones Korg M1, Rolland D-50, Arturia Emulator, and some others. I have no idea what the name of the patches are though.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Duuuuuude if you look at my first type o video for October rust I list all of his gear and I downloaded vst versions but he must have been using custom samples. It was so haunting

[@jg7923]

Awesome Thanks. The atmosphere from the keyboards really shines on that album. @@CIRCLEOFTONE

[@radwarriortv]

Finally someone talking about the green elephant in the room!!!

[@Whyamibzsdmh]

Absolutely brilliant video

[@HarveyPeckar]

You are a hero! Amazing video mate.

[@Crowbar11115]

Very much looking forward to this one!!

[@performanceimagecustoms6985]

I don't disagree that metal is dead. I subscribed! Because as long as there are people like us, we gotta keep it alive.

[@jupiterjunk]

Great video Owen. Speakin' of great work; looks like PF is payin' off. Keep it up.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Haha. Yeah getting there. 95 pounds down.

[@jupiterjunk]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Keep killing it. Turn that dad-bod into a father figure.

[@onloveandsublimation4912]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Is your boyfriend happy about that? Sorry, Had to do it.

[@model101jr5]

PF?

[@jupiterjunk]

@@model101jr5 Planet Fitness. :)

[@freq9939]

You should do an update on what’s the issue with rock and metal 2023 and how to remedy it (Artist and consumer)

[@mike_likes_sludge]

Totally agree about live amps and feedback/chaos, but some folks may not even have that option in today's world of overpriced everything...from living arrangements, basic utilities, gasoline/deisel, families, yada yada. I have plenty of amps that mostly just sit and collect dust for some of those reasons. It's weird, but i'll throw off the headcans and shove my guitar up to my monitors at different distances to work some feedback. Of course it's not the same thing and different sims react differently, but it adds some of that chaos back into things. I saw Type-O at the Trocadero in Philly years ago and in Manassas, VA years before that....it was a wall of chainsaws both shows! \m/ In the digital age, I spend extra time making things sound a little (sometimes alot) shittier

[@georgecurtis160]

Awesome we love type o. Plz do more gothic shit, it’s what I’ve a,ways loved about ur channel

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Working on Bauhaus

[@georgecurtis160]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE that sounds great! I'm currently gigging with a HH Vs musician amp and a telecaster which is basically the Bauhaus sound.

[@Loganbuehler]

U spit straight fax in the beginning about chaos in rock and metal

[@moliver_xxii]

hi thanks for that video! yeah feedback was really a huge part in their sound especially live! you did not mention the piezzo pickup that give that characteristic sharp sound (the sizzle). i'm wondering if you had one on your bass... by the sound i'd say no but i may be wrong.

[@matturner6890]

DUDE!! More opening skits!! You're great at it!

[@danshobbies13]

Peter Steele was a big reason for me to start playing bass. I miss their music.

[@masongregory278]

Awesome. Man, that chorus really is that Type O sound.

[@donsmith5385]

Hey Owen, awesome video on possibly the greatest Goth band ever. I hope you get to try out the Peavey Tube Fex or Transtube Fex, the artist presets has Peter Steele and Kenny Hickeys presets. Its an incredible piece of gear.

[@Xplora213]

One last tone aspect… and this is the key to much of the mad genius of a Dimebag or EVH or Peter Steel or Slash… Pure charisma, to charm that producer into believing the idea. This is the personality aspect in a nutshell. You need a Lars who needed a punch in the face or an Axl to push the music from being a song into a cultural icon. Peter’s face on Black No 1 when he opened the song is magical… we don’t get that magic from a Periphery. I presume that all the sex gods are doing KZbin instead of bands now. 🤷‍♂️

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed.

[@nuitari666uzgurzmor6]

You should do an episode about Tiamat and their Wildhoney album. For me one of the best goth-metal albums of all time!

[@Iwan_Cigfran]

Awesome video, because you speak the truth! This is the first video of yours that I watched, and I am blown away with your realizations. Thank you! Truly great Tone Nerd Wizardry!

[@None888.]

One of the great things about some of the great bands is always their sound...it was never about perfection it was their own unique chaos..as you said..in my old band one of the things that made our sound was playing certain amps on certain volume tunings etc to get our sound...it created an unholy chaos that was unobtainable any other way... And when you use a big load of amps you interact with the amps in a way that can never be duplicated...

[@raleighdentcompany]

I'm a lefty and play right handed. We are out here and there are more of us than you expect

[@Rotten8666]

Love this video. I just got myself an old boss super chorus since they were analog before 2001 and I feel that plays a little bit in tone maybe. Miss and love this band so much. Definitely would love to see a review on the type of negative pedal and how Kenny uses it. I know Kenny had used a boss CE5 but I’m curious if it was in the front of the amp or the loop? Cheers!💚🖤

[@TheFaustianMan]

Shame he didn't have to die. He had Divircutuliclicuous a simple operation could have saved his life. They just stitch the part of the colon together. Then you're pain free into your 90s. He just grinned an bore all that pain tearing up his insides and bleeding out his asshole, at the right age where this kinda thing happens. You can get screened now for free at age 45. That is some of the most intense pain I have known. I can't help but think, that real agony was channeled into his music from so much physical pain. Kinda like how that guy in Joy Division would dance like his siezeures. Men please get your colonoscopy. Don't try and tough it out like Peter.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed. He was paranoid about doctors etc ripping you off. Sign of the times

[@machinesnoires]

Amazing work. Such a dedication. I agree with you about Metal by the way. You shoul dtry to meet Kenny Hickey or Josh Silver, they might have some good trick about Peter's setings.

[@bartwitek9526]

One most important thing is also his Fernandes sustainer installed on his basses .. this was the secret weapon of his tone ppl tend to overlook. Also Esh Stinger bass he had was fitted with piezo pickup to give him extra bright acoustic tone .. keep in mind he was using different types of basses in his TON span

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Nah that never worked. The prototype kept failing because the magnets are not strong enough to effect bass strings. They tried but all the sustain came from the DS1. Even after all this time you can't get a sustainer for bass. My ALL TIME fav use for that was Kenny on this hook: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Du_HPkObv3Vs&ved=2ahUKEwi404euxMKFAxViSjABHXjEDV0QwqsBegQIIhAF&usg=AOvVaw0yMGBVNyjY3y4VUqPpOC6n

[@bartwitek9526]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE negative ,, it did work and check the Fernandes era when he was first introduced to the idea . I have a bass sustainer installed on my bass . It’s made by Fernandes

[@MetalManiacswithTwisedFr-pl2vz]

Pete was a friend of mine. I miss him.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I often wonder what he was really like around people. I can only imagine how big a hole that friendship would leave. If you have any anecdotes you can share that would be great.

[@MetalManiacswithTwisedFr-pl2vz]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE I do. I have been thinking about getting up with Johnny and doing a video on his band Eye Am and of course talk about Pete and TYPO. When I first meet Pete I asked him if he had any advice for me as I navigated the music biz. He said, Yeah, run, run now, get the fuck out of this shit show. Hahaha I'd be happy to talk to you if would like to. Talking on the phone would be a lot easier than typing! Ha Either way, keep up the good work!

[@worksofein6449]

Nice job. You got really close and sounds great.

[@GothRocker7]

Peter did have a pedal to go from distortion to clean

[@mcpivSC]

I swear when I saw TON at Rockafellas in Columbia SC in 95(?) that there was a Digitech GSP 5 in his setup.

[@zvkryblkhrt8915]

I've been on the hunt for one of those basses.

[@xplanet2112]

Absolutely brilliant, really enjoyed that clip and every word you said is true and Type O/Pete and the state of rock and metal right now. I’ll never unsubscribe, long live the ass holes, long live the bastards, long live the womanising hotel room smashing drug taking bad ass mofos of this Earth!!

[@ZERONETWORK0]

I dont think any band, no matter how brutal, manipulates feedback as well as Type O Negative. It IS downright brutal on Slow Deep and Hard. And I also have an Ergodyne bass like you, except it's a 5 string EDA 905, but my action is super high. You get very close to his sound but you don't have the metallic clankyness. To be fair, I dont think you can get Peter Steele's tone without being Peter Steele. It's just so far left field from any other bass player.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

This is my fav use of feedback. The sustainer pickup on the guitar is gold kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5CrgZ6Fl9tmjNUsi=5oN2eA3sjC4zkWuA

[@superbebe9248]

Thanks man!

[@sergiochavez290]

I didn't read, if someone brought up the list of basses, during the early TON albums. The ALEMBIC SPOILER from Carnivore days to Bloody kisses. Then ESH Stinger bass, during October rust. And Fernandez Tremor right after... God bless the green man.

[@Dannyr2d2]

Hi there love the video May I ask what bass guitar you are using in this video?

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks. Ibanez EDB600 Ergodyne

[@P0kY_97]

Hello man, i have a question thats been stuck in my head for a while. On the old records, mainly Slow Deep and Hard, there are some slow chorusy / modulation drones and i always wonder if its just some weird feedback from Peters bass or its some distorted synth layer played by Josh. Sometimes this distorted chorusy modulation drone thingy sounds like one with the bass, but sometimes it sounds like a completely separated layer underneath all the distorted guitars from Pete and Kenny, but i guess im just having hard time to hear and differentiate between Petes bass and Kennys guitar bcs they are tuned so low. Any tip how is this sound done? It can be heard on Unsuccessfully coping from time 1:30, Gravitational Constatnt around 3:00 .... If its just bass played through some Chorus effect, could you tell which? I feel like it could be some oldschool rack unit, coz ive got a few chorus pedals and cant really tweak that sound with any of them. Also, similar sound can be heard on tracks by oldschool doom band Winter (album Into Darkness), on the song Oppression Freedom Oppression its used basically through the whole thing. So is it synth or just heavy modulated bass guitar? Nvm thank you for all the good informations in your videos, cheers.

[@AcidWolflanger]

fucking love you man and your channel finally somebody saying the truth.

[@DaisyHead666]

Also, about how the thing where he could get the sound even without picking, he had a sustianiac and a piezo in his bass near the neck that would pick up literally every vibration. In the mid 2000's when he had that weird rubber strap, he would pluck it and it would produce this super subsonic low note cause of the piezo picking it up.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep but I think he had problems with it when it came to stability. Good info though.

[@DaisyHead666]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Considering that they weren't the easiest on their gear, I can see how it wouldn't last super long.

[@williamrutherford9997]

Great information!! Thank you!!! Also, I agree with you about some of the new sounds. I have seen big name bands performing with guitar modelers, and it is obviously not as fun, gritty, or inspiring. It doesn’t help when they are in a non smoking venue. As you clean it up, it becomes less metal.

[@yetanotheruser1989]

Just picking up on the point there of amp modellers, DAWs and using headphones, etc. There is so much reliance these days by even the 'rawest' of bands on running everything through DAWs and all the convenience that comes with that, to the point where all feel is lost. They create massive and complex sounds, but it lacks that human element, and the chaotic energy. I play/record at home, and have to use headphones, but my set up is as simple as possible. I run my guitar through a Dan electro distortion pedal, into a cheap amp, then into an old zoom reverb and effect processor. That then goes into a mixer and the line-in on my PC, where I record to audacity. Is it ideal? No, but it's simple enough with a lot of room for experimenting. Physically turning knobs and adjusting the signal chain to get a sound that can't really be created through plugins.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

So much pain in Type Os music. Youre right- theres just nothing like it nowadays. Regretful i only discovered them through you, and never got to see them live.

[@aminyakunda]

Great video!

[@pedrocerda6574]

Love your vids Owen been a huge fan for years! Any chance you’d be down to tackle the bass tone off early cro mags stuff like before the quarrel and age of quarrel? Thanks for the huge videos man

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Great shout. Seminal bass tone.

[@crazysilly2914]

I wouldn’t say rock and metal are fully dead, it has just become more of a niche genre. Look up the bands ‘Julie’ ‘arches’ ‘return to dust’ and the genres ‘ambient metal’ and ‘lofi metal'

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

@@crazysilly2914 I just checked out return to dust and they get similar views to some of my videos. We need Van Halen levels of influence to claw back relevance.

[@crazysilly2914]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE the last big rock band was imagine dragons. after that it’s just been acousti-pop and terrible rap music….

[@crazysilly2914]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Im actually trying to make some music myself, but its really hard trying to put everything together. I wish I could find some people to make a band with, but it is very hard with my demanding 2nd shift job… I didn’t get into rock music (or just music in general) until right about when I was graduating college, which was almost 2 years ago now… The thing I'm best at is writing lyrics, maybe theres places where I could sell my lyrics? My instrumentals is pretty basic, I can’t do chords on guitar but I can do simple single-note stuff which I beef up with a variety of guitar effects, and then a drum synth.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep its hard. If you are passionate about it it's best to move to where the music is. The daw is great for songwriting though but it is a steep learning curve.

[@ChrisBarnette-zk8iy]

I'm with you on metal and rock being dead. It used to stand for something and spit in the face of authority. Now it all sounds the same and the bands dont have a fingerprint or identity. Love your channel and id love to see you do a video on Today is the Day.. and Steve Albini since he's passed now. Keep making videos and F all those who want to follow mediocrity.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I left a comment on an Albini video a day before he died. If more bands recorded like him (no click with the bones recorded as a band) rock would not be dead.

[@ChrisBarnette-zk8iy]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE 💯

[@Ivan.8067]

Ah!!! Toda mostra bem feita a respeito do som e dos efeitos usados por Peter me agradam 👍🏻 Obrigado hein 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@craigswensen434]

Great video.

[@klauth_Yksyn]

Good episode enjoyed it! 👍

[@lyricgoosejj1560]

Good shit

[@riblets1968]

There's a group of young women based (mostly) out of the New York capital region called Plush that are very promising. They do a bit of covers but they are starting to write their own music also. If they're allowed to develop, I think they can be the real deal in respect to rock and roll.

[@sidsicker7358]

I too am left handed and play bass right handed.

[@AvyScottandFlower]

Depression? Where can I download that plugin? Sounds like an expression pedal..

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Lol yeah it's like a wah pedal

[@patrickcooney2253]

I'm left handed but play right handed....I didn't even know there was left handed guitars when I started 😅.

[@justicedead3538]

That's fuc... awesome sound.

[@Revy501]

I agree with you also, i would love to be proven wrong. But i do believe things will swing back around.

[@puppetmaster532]

been subbed for years. what ever happened to your Bolt Thrower tone video?

[@sakminis]

Could have at least told us what amp sim you used for this, i quite liked the tones you got, even though they weren't spot on.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Tone X manipulated bassman patch. Patches don't really matter as I manipulated my preamp on the bass etc. This vid is more about why mortals can't sound like him.

[@sakminis]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Thanks. I understand what the vid was about, just kinda want an approximation still. Also I'm pretty sure a few people on KZbin (who actually bothered to mod their basses with sustainers and other Peter stuff) did end up sounding like him. But the could be vampires as well, can't be sure.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

He only used a sustainer for a short period because they kept failing. Bass strings are too heavy

[@PEMAMETAL]

What bass are you using?

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

It's an active Ibanez EDB600 Ergodyne Charcoal Electric Bass.

[@PEMAMETAL]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Thanks brother. I am a guitar player but always wanted to buy a bass to try to recreate Peter Steele sound, I have watched some stuff detailing Peter Rig, but some of his basses are hard to find, the Ibanez seems a very good option. By The Way I just have recorded a Christian Woman tribute using 6 guitar tracks (replacing vocals, keyboards and the guitars), nothing pro, just having fun

[@BrandonBames]

Check out Hammerhedd if you haven’t already. 3 teenage brothers with an original heavy thrashy sound

[@jacopotamarozzi9080]

awesome man... can i ask what cab use ppls🙏

[@gonzotom78]

One handed playing was mostly down to a sustainer in the neck pickup

[@cherrytonshawty9120]

October Noir is a killer band that's definitely a Type O-inspired Goth metal band. But yeah, we need another Peter Steele, but we also need another Quorthon to show these fools what real black metal sounds like. 🤘

[@bengelder6577]

I've subscribed because you are absolutely correct mate 👍 It's not just rock it's all music processed like a tin of spam (except I love spam mmmmm spam and black pudding sarnie❤) but yeah keep doing what you're doing and giving us a glimmer of hope I'm rock and metal to the grave 🤟

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man

[@bassNY]

dang, I didn't know Dr. Beau Hightower played bass!

[@nicolasdelafuente9959]

Que afinación usaba?

[@brettmarlar4154]

I didn't you hear you mention the fact that he tuned down a perfect 4th. This would add to the "buzzy" tone he had on his 4 string. Plus, I don't recall ever seeing a DS-1 on his board. The times I saw him, he was using a Metal Zone distortion. Of course, I see that yours is modified, which I can only guess gives it more of a Metal Zone vibe. Plus it's not too uncommon for lefties to play right handed. I know there have been loads of guitarists to have done so. That way they wouldn't have to take the time to modify the guitar, or learn to play with the strings inverted ala Albert King. I do agree with you that there's an obvious lack of chaos in, not only rock/metal, but in all genres. practically everything is hyper quantized to the grid. When the biggest musical risk that i being taken is Beyonce' doing a Country song, or Dolly Parton doing a Rock album, that's a sad state of affairs.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep I've seen a few ref's to a a metalzone so he did use it now and then but he did state its a cheap boss orange pedal (the metalzone was more expensive than the DS1). BUT I have a metalzone so if I ever bring the channel back I could A/B them. The metalzone didn't proliferate into the US until after slow deep and hard so it wasn't released en mass until the end of 91.

[@andrewg969]

14:40 I wonder if he knows that October rust through life is killing me used drum machines

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Goth has a proud tradition of drum machines. Check out my earlier Type O Negative videos where I tell you the make and model of the drum machine used on October Rust.

[@andrewg969]

Gotcha, big fan of the channel btw. I have noticed that some of my favorite songs from the cure, ministry, etc are enhanced by the mechanical sound of the drum machine. I also agree that the rock/metal world is really stagnant these days. You pretty much have your Indie guys with their twin reverbs or your metal guys with their amp sims or closest thing to a 5150 that they can afford with not much in between besides shoegaze with its nondescript wall of noise . Have found some good stuff from recent but definitely a shortage of people carving their own path sonically. Something I’ve noticed about amp sims too is how homogenous their sound is, meaning you can adjust gain bass treble etc but it doesn’t really change the character of the sound the way a real amp would. In my mind what’s best for the music is whatever lends itself to the material, so I never want to compartmentalize anything as bad like amp sims or drum programming, but some stuff has definitely been tired out

[@billymanilli]

Miss the green guy SO MUCH! You're right though... and I was just talking to one of my old band mates about it... I think it's just the whole "internet age"/"instant gratification" bs, that's running wild in our world for the past 2 decades +... Everyone (well... not "everyone") seems to like all the super-duper technical/mathematic, fit as many notes as you can; but play it "PERFECTLY"; type of nonsense. Bands like BTBAM comes to mind.. but there are MANY examples. I actually really liked BTBAM in the EARLY to mid 2000's (even saw them 3 times), and then they got to "technical" for my liking. Not saying they're not EXCELLENT musicians; but I just don't like it. ...sounds too much like they're just trying to impress or show off, rather than make music that gets me PUMPED; like it used to!

[@rschweizer5209]

What mod do you have on the ds1?

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

It's an old Keeley mod that adds compression

[@onloveandsublimation4912]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE You might be shooting yourself in the foot with the mod. Try an original one.