The GPU Market is SAVED!!!!! PC Gamers Rejoice! 🥳🤤

[@AlejandroJorqueraZ]

I want Intel to succeed. We need competition in all fronts, not just on the GPU market.

[@Lucas-ck1po]

These companies are also important for the economy and for tech availability during crisis. Basically market stability. Its not a good thing that TSMC (which could be at China's chokehold at any moment btw) has the world's chip production by its balls the way it does. Would be a good thing to have Intel developed as a company that faces Nvidia's domination for datacenter GPU production and TSMC's chip supply for new smartphones too. Its a good thing for Intel to diversify their areas of influence, even if its not exactly profitable at the moment, which i doubt they are having alot of profit making low/mid range gaming GPUs right now.

[@khalilrazak6486]

I too hope Intel succeeds because we desperately need more competition because Nvidia are going to take the absolute piss on pricing for the upcoming RTX 5000 series gpu's.

[@pamus6242]

ONce upon a time Intel CPU + AMD GPU. Today, AMD CPU + Intel GPU.

[@Mkkhg1]

If u told that to someone just 3 years ago he wasn't gonna believe it by any chance lol

[@kathrynck]

​@@Mkkhg1 hehehe, true. Although I think 7000 series AMD GPU's are fairly competitive. Particularly in a few price ranges where intel is being too stingy with V-ram as a deliberate effort towards built-in-obsolescence. 4070 Ti Super (and up) I do lean pretty Nvidia-ward. But below the 4070 Ti Super price range, you've gotta consider AMD if you don't want to end up in a v-ram pinch (7800XT, 7900GRE, 7900XT $450-700). Even if the 4070 super seems to be selling well in that price range with just 12 GB. Also, even at the 4070 Ti Super level, the 7900XTX looks pretty beefy at a very similar price, and probably nips at the heels of of the 4080 Super's sales just due to the lower price. I'd rather a 4080 super than a 7900XTX, but it's a $300 difference at retail price, and I wouldn't "rather" all _that_ strongly ;) But the same could be said for the 4070 Ti Super, it also steals some 4080 super sales. Anyway, AMD is very competitive for 1440p. I went large-format 4k though myself... and I like high end, but maybe only once ever 3 generations. So, "I went full 4090" (and AMD cpu, like you said hehe). But 1440p really is the "sensible" target on most budgets for most purposes. AMD is pretty competitive there.

[@Mkkhg1]

@kathrynck Agreed IMO One of the main issues amd and intel cards faced (beside nvidea cards's features) was the launchs Intel's unstability problems and poor drivers & for amd it was the msrp launch prices a card like the 7900 xt launched at 900$ yeah it was better than the 800$ 4070 ti and had more vram but not that much better and 100$ which didn't encourge ppl that much to get over a 4070 ti but now u can find one for around 600$ which made it competite with the 4070 super like man 4070s vs 7900 xt that a slaughter lol even if u turned on ray tracing the 7900xt gonna still hold on and 20 gb of vram vs 12gb is insane

[@zerozone5848]

Future: Nvidia CPU + Intel GPU

[@pamus6242]

@@zerozone5848 Nvidia has the capital to buy Intel, but by then x86 will just work in an emulation layer till it gets completely phased out.

[@rattlehead999]

If the B580 hits RTX 4060Ti performance, under 200W, at 250$ and 12GB VRAM it will be pretty great. Lunar Lake already showed that battlemage is pretty great.

[@auritro3903]

I think that's a little bit optimistic, but even close to that would be really good.

[@marshal7969]

WHAT 250$? The A580 was $179. B580 should be at most 200$

[@rattlehead999]

@@marshal7969 The A580 was released on the much cheaper 6/7nm process node with 8GB of VRAM that was also slower(16Gbps vs 20Gbps) than the one in the B580. I still think 220-230$ is the appropriate price for the b580.

[@rattlehead999]

@@auritro3903 Well Battlemage showed that it can perform 30% faster at half the power(although the CPU in lunar lake has fewer cores so that is also a factor) when comparing Lunar Lake with Meteor Lake. I think the battlemage B580 should hit RTX 4060Ti or very close to it, at least in games that run properly on it.

[@marshal7969]

@@rattlehead999 Ok my mistake, I think MSRP should be max 220$ but yeah that limited edition one maybe 250$

[@zack9912000]

If it performs good enough, a lot of people will switch. Nvidia prices are insane.

[@definitelyfunatparties]

How many people do you see switching from Apple or Samsung because someone makes cheaper phones or tablets? Some people just want the best and don’t care about price to performance ratio, they just want the performance. Nvidia offers performance and feature sets that nobody else can match, they’ll keep selling at a premium.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

AMD GPU have always have better price/performance metric than nvidia for the last 15 years. 15 years ago AMD had something like 35 to 38 percent of market share. now they only have 12%.

[@WOTM8]

@@definitelyfunatparties what do you mean, I switched to Samsung and no... their price are more or less the same. wtf are you talking about?

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Apple are crap ​@@definitelyfunatparties

[@eduardomartin8510]

The featureset is the issue. If you do ANYTHING other than gaming with your PC then anything other than nVidia is just a bad choice unfortunately.

[@righteousone8454]

I remember when flagship GTX 680 was released and it was $499 and was considered highly overpriced and barely anyone could afford it (I definitely could not), fast forward to 2022 and we are buying RTX 4090 for $1700 USD

[@kathrynck]

$500 2012dollars is about equivalent to $750 2024dollars (most of that shift in the last few years). And the 4090 is basically this gen's "titan" card. So it's not quite THAT bad... but yeah. 4080 Super for $1000 is definitely an increased price at the same tier. And it really SHOULD be closer to a 4090 in performance. So not only is the 4080 super $250 overpriced, it's also about 15-20% too weak to make an apples to apples comparison with the 680. And lets not forget that they tried to launch the 4080 at $1200 initially, and in an even weaker configuration. Current GPU's on store shelves really should cost about 25-35% less even with inflation, etc. And the launch msrp's were worse. The crypto & scalper "prices" really messed up GPU pricing for several years. Even though that's not a concern anymore, Nvidia is doing all it can to keep prices as high as they can get away with, as "the new normal". Some of the problem is that increasingly smaller process nodes are getting more and more expensive to fab, while offering a less and less linear performance improvement. Once upon a time, 100nm to 50nm would be a nearly 100% improvement in perf/watt, with a 20% increase in cost to fab. But now 6nm to 3nm might see 20% perf/watt, with a 100% increase in cost to fab. But part of it is definitely "Ngreedia". AMD's somewhat closer to "fab expenses + inflation", but still not ideal. To an extent, I think nvidia (and to a lesser degree amd) are trying to "gatekeep" 4k performance behind a pay wall. Likely because they know there will never be any real demand for a higher resolution beyond 4k. Depending on display size and view distance (interchangeable, maybe 32" if you stick your nose in it, or 40" if you lean back) 4k fills most of your field of view with razor sharp pixels. There's little incentive for more rez than 4k. So in the future, GPU sales for monitor upgrades will dry up, leaving only game performance needs as a motive to buy. TL/DR: I think you're overstating it somewhat, but you're not wrong.

[@VatchGaming]

Now think about the price of gas back then.

[@KuraiBeat]

680 was 3 years later a 1050ti but a 4090 is 3 years late a 4090 (simply a titan gpu) i dont think in 2024 you need for games a 4090 with a 28w apu you have in 2024 the same power as the gtx680 and the 1050ti comes out for 125$ so i see there noch gpu for 750$ speaking of 750 look at rx7900xt

[@RYzE_B3Y0ND]

Unlike the rest of these Nvidia fanboys, I totally agree. The high end being so obscenely more expensive is a real kick in the teeth. Yeah inflation is making shit more expensive. Yeah there was a pandemic. But damn man nothing else has jumped to the price increase highs like GPUs have. Even 7 series Intel CPUs are roughly near the same price point from 10 years ago.

[@Gamer-q7v]

This is why competition is so important. Battlemage should launch later this year, and RDNA 4 in early 2025. Battlemage and RDNA 4 are expected to be very competitive in the low-end and midrange segments. I don't think drivers would be nearly as big of a problem for Battlemage as they were for Alchemist. If RDNA 4 and Battlemage can deliver good price to performance low-end and midrange GPUs, I think there is a good chance they will gain quite a bit of market share in the discrete GPU market. If that ends up being the case, then hopefully, it will convince Nvidia to pack significantly more processing power into their low-end and midrange GPUs. Competition can make that happen, and it benefits us consumers. It's the key to a healthy industry. And then RDNA 5 and Celestial should hopefully bring the heat to Nvidia in the high-end and enthusiast class segments.

[@defnotatroll]

Problem is that it will take far more than a good product to worry nvidia, amd/intel would need to put out outstanding products to capture a significant amount of market share and I just don’t think that will be the case

[@ajderuyter2293]

I think the real issue is that Nvidia makes such little money off of gaming compared to their professional lineup especially with the AI boom. Same with AMD and their data center/business use. These companies aren’t looking to make the best cards for the best price because gaming is not their priority anymore.

[@definitelyfunatparties]

I feel like nvidia occupies a space in the gpu market similar to apple on the phone and notebook market at this point. If you want the best you pay a premium and you do it happily and they’re not going to make it cheaper or more powerful just because they have competition and people will continue to buy it because the product is superior regardless of the price to performance ratio. Just my 2 cents

[@Gamer-q7v]

​@@defnotatroll There is a chance that RDNA 4 and Battlemage could significantly improve the gaming GPU market if they deliver powerful low-end and midrange GPUs at aggressive prices. A lot of gamers want good price to performance. If AMD and Intel can manage to do that, I can see them gaining a considerable amount of market share. It might take Intel a few years. However, AMD could definitely gain quite a bit with RDNA 4.

[@Gamer-q7v]

@@ajderuyter2293 There is still a huge market for gaming. And unlike demand for data centre chips, which is another dumb next big trend that should eventually burst, gaming isn't a bubble. The gaming segment is cyclical, meaning it can bounce back when the problems it's currently facing hopefully ease off.

[@csh9853]

Ive bought 3 new arc cards. A380,a580 and the a750. Time for y'all to do y'all's part and buy some arc or battlemage.

[@justjoe1071]

Getting battlemage. 50/50 on the new MSI 8 handheld.

[@acidwizard6528]

I've always been a fan of Nvidia's products, but I'm ready to jump ship. Their price gouging and disrespect for the consumer is sickening. If Intel is able to provide better price to performance I'd be happy to support them instead.

[@kartikpintu]

Will definitely replace my RX6700XT if it is at $400 or below with better performance

[@artun42]

@@kartikpintuyou should wait for B770, no point for you to buy B580

[@meppeorga]

Only if they have good AI performance, work great with virtual machine passthrough and have Linux Wayland support. I ain't compromising. (Btw I checked, and it looks like it might be promising)

[@zaraizara2794]

NVIDIA: They dominate the GPU market, so they set prices as high as they please. AMD: While their GPUs may appear cheaper than NVIDIA's, they still demand high prices despite offering fewer features. Intel: Are they even relevant? They actually better than amd card. If their prices were lower, people might consider buying them, but that's a big "if." Conclusion: GPU prices could be much lower, but every company is driven by greed.

[@dracodrake45]

If people keep buying them they'll keep those prices.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Then gamer are free to make their own GPU. there are reasons why Imagination, ARM or Qualcomm did not make their own discrete GPU.

[@wendigo7176]

1 KZbinr: Battlemage terrible Other youtuber: Battlemage saves the universe Reality, these are great 1080 cards almost at the price they should be

[@sadatislamkhan3707]

Hopefully this works. Intel will give good card this gen with 16gb vram with less cost but good strength.

[@ozanozkirmizi47]

Fingers crossed...

[@playpete1160]

650W is probably recommended power supply requirement.

[@JakeySurani]

Nah it needs 650w to hit gt 1030 2gb perf

[@GlacikingTheIceColdKing]

​@@JakeySuraniarc's not that bad, they're just new currently

[@kathrynck]

bingo

[@CidPsy]

I ain't an intel fan, but yeah I hope these new cards find such success it shakes the market, heck even split it. Nvidia been abusing it and it's about time that changes.

[@kathrynck]

I'm not an 'anything' fan really. Whatever works, works. But I completely agree on the competition needed. Unfortunately, I think it'll put more of a squeeze on AMD than Nvidia though. Ideally I'd prefer a roughly 3-way split in market share at all tiers of performance ...but reality can never really align with 'ideally' 😉

[@CidPsy]

@kathrynck Then what could happen is that the low to mid tiers will be so compelling the high end GPUs (Nvidia) will have to price them more agressively to compete with the "bang for your buck" mentality created by the lower end competition. It will take years, but I'm still hopeful the marketshare splits itself mostly equally across the board so everyone wins.

[@kathrynck]

@@CidPsy I agree. Although one obstacle to that is the "4k gatekeeper" performance tier. Right now, you pay a stiff penalty for 4k-level performance. Like to run 4k "well" you "must" accept a terrible cost/perf ratio. The generation coming in about 2-3 years from now will probably see that paywall for 4k deteriorate though (probably/somewhat/hopefully) But within the 1440p market, yeah, it should draw down the price of cards in the "upper 1440p tier". Maybe even some 1440p ultrawide market. I look at card markets with a strong slant of seeing them through a lens of monitor resolutions: resolution / FPS target / budget = card Although DLSS/FSR blur the lines.

[@ianskinner1619]

unless the pricing is super aggressive, people are going to use the intel product as a foil for AMD/Nvidia pricing and buy the resulting cheaper cards from them. Intel needs to make money, but they first need to get a market brand confidence.. after alchemist, with it's 'we're out , no we're in'.. shenanigan's.. a lot of people lost confidence in their desire to compete.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

intel will not going to be super aggressive with price. just look what they did with current GPU. for the last 2 quarters intel ship extremely low quantity of GPU to the point JPR just put intel market share at 0%. intel prefer to lose market share rather than selling those card at super cheap price to gain market share.

[@ChristopherFelicitas]

The problem with this is that they can't afford to do so. They're pretty much in hard times because of bad past management and the current CEO is planning on cancelling Intel GPUs to save cost. Unless this sells at their price we won't be seeing them in the future anymore. So yeah. I'm planning to still buy one just for the added competition.

[@markdove5930]

They won't sell no matter what they do. Games are a mess on the market leader Nvidia. They will run bad on anything else. Also nothing good worth upgrading is coming

[@HD-fc4ds]

The only Con of Intel’s videocards is that i wish they got into it 10 years ago. But if they really reach 4060 performance already, that is a very promising future.

[@AlteQT]

This would ge great. Some actual competition in the gpu space is well needed

[@DJ-fw7mi]

6750XT like raster, better features, power 200-250w price the same $200-250 and 12GB VRAM will he worth looking into. My living room PC with my old GTX 1080 could use an upgrade.

[@liberteus]

It's going to be too little too late, and that'll be the end of discrete Intel GPUs. Nvidia leaked specs are atrocious, prices will make it worse, and AMD will not waste the opportunity to disappoint. We're doomed. Good thing this is a business expense for me and i can buy new generations, otherwise I'd just go for a discounted 7900xt.

[@tourmaline07]

I agree. Alchemist and Battlemage are a year too late to really make too much impact on the market - if either of those cards launched earlier then they'd have gotten some traction IMO. 4060ti (2080ti) performance isn't worth a lot in 2025 - pretty much entry level.

[@Polyfron]

​@@tourmaline07isnt the b580 *supposed* to be entry level though?

[@chucklesdeclown8819]

Unlike a lot of people, im not so confident in intel, i heard the b770 is not coming out this year and is gonna be the end of next year if it even comes out at all. Only having the lower end card to compete with is just sad honestly.

[@MastaDivinity]

I feel the same way but for a different reason. I play a lot of obscure games, I can't even check if the work on Intel or not lol

[@ProtiumPower]

Intel for low end, Amd for mid, and forget high end, Nvidia high end is approaching Titan V levels of prices which was not for mainstream gaming.

[@kathrynck]

@@MastaDivinity That's my main reason for not considering ARC. I have a substantial game library, but not much AAA titles (and yeah, badly optimized indie/semi-indie games, even some older games, can have just as much performance concerns as AAA). I just don't play many single-player adventure games, which is all AAA ever is anymore (or at least all anyone seems to benchmark anymore). Need a very broadly compatible GPU and a very strong CPU for some less mainstream titles.

[@ZizoYahya-ly3ge]

Intel probably has a high end card for release later on when rdna 4 and blackwell release their GPU lineup. Highly doubt we only get one Battlemage card because if the architecture is suceesful they should have already tested the higher ones and are gearing up to release them. Intel will probably go on marketing this new card and will later on release the high end ones. I mean if this cate beats 4060ti then it's reasonable because the a770 and a750 were supposed to be 3070ti and 6800xt competitor and failed due to hardware design flaws. Battlemage therefore fixed this problems and should got at whatever 40 series cards per specs they target. For Intel to release a working flawless product and at teat price and excellent features that alone is great achievement. Dgpu design isn't a walk in the park. A770 was a monster on paper but one flaw and it was competing way below it's intended performance. So people need to be optimistic. Intel says they fixed the architecture and xe2 cores deliver 50% more performance and more importantly at low power and now architecture flaws.

[@johnburk360]

if its $200 or less it should sell well because a 4060 is $280 as of now.

[@christroy8047]

If this card is reasonably good and has good price/performance we need to support it - otherwise we'll lose the competition in the market and an 800$ GPU will be the new mid range.

[@CidPsy]

Will be? It already feels that's a thing.

[@spoots1234]

It'll be hilarious if Intel flounders on the CPU side and knocks it out of the park on the GPU side. Honestly just hilarious.

[@xenird]

Can't wait to build a PC with Nvidia cpu and Intel gpu

[@markdove5930]

They won't you can't sell gpus in the current market. The should be in bankruptcy already but the government is keeping them alive

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

BattleMage having few cores at higher speeds brings it closer to the design ethos of amd gpus (and about on par with nvidia). Overall it's still a _hi core count, low frequency_ philosophy but i wished it'd expanded on that same concept as alchemist. We'll have to wait for benchmarks on newer drivers to see how it pans out/

[@BlindBison]

Other than raw GPU power I hope Intel also builds out their general gaming control panel. They built CMAA2 which is actually a great single frame post AA solution so it would be nice if they kept on with that work and added it to their control someone. Beyond that FSR1 / AMD CAS / AFMF2 are open source and quite good for what they are so it would be nice for Intel to include options like that as well for those who would use them. Fortunately there’s always ReShade but control panel integration is always preferred in my view (and ReShade cannot injection FSR1 - Lossless Scaling requires windowed mode which isn’t ideal as an aside). Smart Sync is actually a really cool form of traditional Vsync so some proper half refresh rate modes for that as well as a good fps limiter in the driver would be great to have too.

[@hypothalamusjellolap8177]

I wonder what their B380 performance and power efficiency is.

[@cerevor]

Well, no, a PCIe 5.0 slot was definitely not on my priority list or "worries" when buying a mainboard, it also doesn't happen to exist on MicroATX (except for M.2). It is also a very unreasonable design to limit it to 8 lanes, but more or less demand PCIe 5. Then it's just PCIe 4 with 16 lanes in speed, except that it's slower on PCIe4...

[@kathrynck]

8x PCIE 4 would do fine. Every PCIE has double the bandwidth of the previous gen. (( PCIE 3x16 = PCIE 4x8 )) So if 16x PCIE 3 has a negligible effect on a 4090...

[@BastyTHz]

also intel need solution to force upscaling and framegen for game that dev refuse to adopt xess, its same situation with amd too. some game only have dlss and dev refuse to adopt FSR or XeSS because dev only have nvidia card.

[@revanisalive]

idk about windows but on linux with wine we can use fsr on any game. looks pretty decent from 1080 to 1440

[@kathrynck]

FSR is pretty universal, and there are some decent 3rd party scaling & frame gen programs out there now.

[@mattblyther5426]

People way to caught up on upscaling it's sad. It's simple, buy a card that will perform how u want natively in the first place instead of having a lower tier card that's dependent on a game dev implementing features that in the end look worse then native majority of the time. Also people seem to forget upscsling was intended for 4k and 1440p and NOT 1080p. Upscaling from 720p or lower to 1080p is just dumb.

[@kathrynck]

@@mattblyther5426 Technically upscaling from 1080p to 1440p is "easier" and stays a bit closer to "original quality" than from 1440p to 4k. 1080 -> 1440 is making 1.82 pixels out of each pixel. While 1440 -> 4k is making 2.25 pixels out of each pixel. It's a bigger jump. I agree generally with seeking "native" performance targets for a GPU choice. (4090 & 4k here). But I will say that upscaling looks much better than I would have thought, before using it myself. "quality" DLSS (1440 > 4k) upscale looks _very_ good. Not perfect, but it's better than I expected. And it can be used in GPU software, without any game developer input. Though it won't "know" which bits are vector UI elements. Quality setting upscale is a win. "performance" upscale doesn't look so great though. It's nice to use for 1080p video content (only available in full screen mode), as it looks _better_ than native 1080p video on a 4k panel. But I wouldn't recommend it for games. Frame generation... not really a fan. But I'll give a big W for quality setting upscale. And I did not expect that I would. I chose my GPU to run 4k raw-native. The fact that it looks extremely good with 1440p upscale was a surprise. I thought DLSS would be something I'd only use like 5 years from now to extend the 'useful' life of the GPU. I'll put it this way, the quality setting upscale looks good enough to make me think I may have over-spent on my GPU by like $800. I'm not too broken up about it though, it just means that my GPU will look really good for more years than I thought. I actually run quality DLSS in summer months just to save on AC. 450+ watts puts out some serious heat if pushed to full-load. Even with the OC mode disabled (not gonna spend 150 more watts and a shorter gpu life for an extra 3%).

[@mikebruzzone9570]

BM 580 priced at cost on the rumors suggests ($246) another buy a beta validation card and report back your applications findings so we at Intel labs can improve the drivers overall, especially for iGPUs, but for a dGPU card too priced at cost what a good deal. When I once ran the largest virtual compatibility and application lab in the world, from 1995 through 1998, I gave the hardware away for free as long as the validator would follow the work guide and report on their results. And when they did, I gave them a hardware upgrade to do the same thing all over again. mb

[@juanford55]

For 250$?, thats like 300€ on Europe, for that price it should be at least near RTX 4060 Ti/RX 7600 XT raster performance, less than that wont be worth to buy.

[@kullyanmcdragon6517]

Guys I require yer counsel! Gaming laptop with the 50 series when they drop or should I build a rig!?

[@pietkroon6548]

get a laptop or a ps 5

[@xenird]

Desktop is obviously more powerful and higher performance to price. Only buy laptop if you travel a lot or something like that

[@Markane.]

Really hope ARC B -series to be great success for intel intel (they really need it after all the fails) for markets and for us consumers. 🎉 ...but believe it to be only when proven, intels recent track record had been very unconvincing.

[@AmereTO0o]

why GDDR6 not 7 and ,why we didn't see any frame generation from Intel ?

[@abhilashyadav2274]

they can't afford to have gimmicks like fg as their USP.

[@elbow005]

Looks like they have a solid lower high end card which they are set to surprise the users with later and they're releasing these mid tier cards to give a sorta teaser for them. So I suspect they will release higher models later after nvidia n radeon's launch

[@darreno1450]

APUs are usually tested with really low settings, and we dont know how well these will scale with increased power, so it's hard to say. I would guess 4060 performance but with inconsistancies from game to game.

[@dirkjewitt5037]

We don't need competition, we need people to stop being scared of their shadow when it comes to that market. Radeon has been putting out cheaper alternatives for years. I bought a 6950xt four years ago and it still keeps up just fine. What is just fine? Over 100fps in 4k gaming. I'm glad I stopped being scared of my shadow.

[@FogHazard]

I'm most concerned about their drivers. Not just for current games, but older games as well. One of the pros of PC gaming is being able to play your entire library. Playing a game from several generations ago as well as current day gaming is one of the reasons I tend to stick with Nvidia. I would be willing to try Intel's GPUs if their drivers are in order.

[@RiasatSalminSami]

I thought intel closed their GPU division. So is there even any point in having hope? This might be their final GPU series and after that, nothing.

[@haz1101]

The only thing I don’t like about is that it runs on a PCIE 5.0 x8. It should have been PCIE 5.0 x16. Mabye the B780 will fix that.

[@RYzE_B3Y0ND]

The A580 was 189$ tho. Kinda irked that they up’d the price but if it’s competitive then maybe it won’t sting as bad.

[@cristianroth8524]

6:33 I can't wrap my head around the decision to reduce the memory bus. It seems counterproductive and counterintuitive to me.

[@pulpybits8364]

hello whats good gtx 1660 super 6gb or radeon rx6500xt 4gb

[@cecilb7927]

Neither unless you are buying used, I bought a 1660 Super yesterday used for $60. At higher prices a used RX 5700XT sells for about the same as those. New a 3050 6Gb is a poor value, but better than a 1660, an RX 6600 is a similar price and a great card. I own an RX 6500XT, it really isn't worth considering.

[@TheOne214]

The stability issue has been completely fixed by intel with their latest micro code update for their 13 and 14 th gen intel cpus while there are not efficient as amd 7000 series cpus they still are a good buy for gaming and especially productivity if you can find these cpus slightly used in used market place or from a retailer or third party seller or preferably if you can find 14 th gen new boxed pack with left over stock.

[@tryllejens]

Really hope that PCIE gen 4 x8 isn't a bottleneck for a card like this...

[@kathrynck]

It won't be. Every PCIE gen has twice the bandwidth per lane as the previous gen. So 8x PCIE 4 = 16x PCIE 3. And 16x PCIE 3 only slows down a 4090 by like 1% (compared to 16x PCIE 5). To some extent, 8x PCIE is a benefit, as it frees up PCIE lanes for other things, like multiple NVME drives, or whatever else.

[@paulschaaf8880]

Personally I expect Battlemage to only compete in the low end with the 50 and 60 class cards. Would love to be wrong though.

[@zergtoss1]

Yea but will the drivers be garbage?

[@abhilashyadav2274]

no . I guarantee that to you personally .

[@thefilthycasual448]

● I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me, that's when I started first learning about PC gaming: I'd love, in terms of performance, this: ● -Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb ● - Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb ● -Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt ● - Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800 ● -Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt ● -Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre. ● And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku. Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more fleshed out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series. Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).

[@cocopuffz604]

I just want a dual fan 4070 Super competitor with a regular 8pin power connector. Something to handle UE5 Traversal hitching.

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

Well, I'm gonna get an Intel ARC or AMD Radeon graphics card then. :)

[@doplank4421]

I'm waiting for LP variant like A380

[@cristxp7321]

I am still running my Rtx 2080, which is still good so far but I was planning to upgrade and get a new setup this upcoming year originally I was planning on going Invidia but not going to lied if Intell keeps this up I will switch, and instead of spending a lot of money in one card mind as well get intell I lot cheaper and for the price, I could put 2 of them win win

[@pablosanmartinvarela1773]

Good analysis 👏

[@trastewere]

Although I own 4070ti I will definitely buy B580 just for fun. I bought A750 when it was released in my region and it was the most fun I had with GPU for a long time. The drivers were terrible at the beginning but now? It is a pretty solid low-midrange GPU. I also really hope that Intel releases B770 as soon as possible, if so another GPU I will purchase day one.

[@hzhang1228]

need competition at the higher end market. $700-$800 should get you a high end gpu like 4080, not a mid tier 4070ti

[@SamuKhan-e9w]

my opinion is they should focus on greater performance for a cost under $250. if they solve the stability and better performance for that, everybody will buy the intel again. when they become financially stable they can start working on a higher price gpu.

[@Unprotected1232]

I know it's a big if but man it would be so wild to pair my 9800X3D with an Intel card.

[@JS-wl3gi]

Intel cards only support higher systems w Resizable BAR, so the ARC really could not support pre-2020 systems. Once system support is in most PC, then people can upgrade. Upgrade has not been Intel passion, they should support there platforms longer in the future.

[@gstormcz]

2080TI~ RX6650XT (😅hesitated add Super or TI suffix to Radeon, kill me🙈). 👉6750xt is 12GB 192bit, 250W TDP starting at 275USD (+VAT). Intel won't have much space for pricing. If it comes at 250USD at 6750XT performance then it just hits customers hesitate: 10 percent cheaper Intel or quite proved AMD. I got 6650xt for 280USD (+VAT) 2y ago (it was already 250USD sale somewhere). 2y gaming with it. Intel would have not many customers left. Those 6600, 6600XT, 6650xt and even 6700xt were stocked by hundreds in local retailers 2y ago. Oj, used 6700xt at 5500CZK (189USD, sorry Intel)

[@lanelesic]

This looks like a 3060 12GB but clocked at 2.8 GHz at $250... So at best it will be like 6700xt.

[@Abdelkrim.]

I'm planning to build a new pc u just give me a good reason to have a bored with pcie 5.0

[@in-kognito8997]

I wished Intel would have a card equal to the rtx 4080 for about 799 Euro. Something like that. Than I would try all I can to get one.

[@marufulislam4311]

I just hope their driver is stable this time

[@kathrynck]

Realistically, it will still experience some teething issues. But a lot less than their first gen.

[@cjmunnee3356]

​@@kathrynckI think you're right. I wish I could remember which video talked about it in detail, but the big problem with the Alchemist cards was that the PCB was a very non-traditional design that didn't work quite the same way AMD and Nvidia cards did. That same video went on to say that Battlemage is supposedly using a more traditional style of PCB that should work more like the competition. Allegedly...

[@kathrynck]

@@cjmunnee3356 Well, just on "learning curve" alone... if you assembled the greatest software team ever, and told them to optimize a driver for an all new hardware architecture... I'd expect it to be kind of a mess on the first try. I doubt it'll be a super-smooth process on the second try too... but likely a lot less of a mess.

[@cjmunnee3356]

@kathrynck Absolutely!

[@filipmartinez1162]

I would buy these if they were good for VR and 3D.

[@Squidgy55]

I do like that intel are putting big busses in their cards.

[@nontoxic9960]

If intels cards are worse than 2018 models from nvidia idk what to say

[@pohtk2004]

GO Intel!!!

[@HankBaxter]

If Intel would release its top SKU, I might have sold my XTX and switched just to support the company. Ah, well...

[@zerozone5848]

Unironically speaking, that's very wholesome chungus of you.

[@jochenkraus7016]

Intel, as well as AMD and Nvidia, aren't your friends. The other thing is that Intel has planned to have higher tier cards in one of the future generations, so no Arc B900 this time.

[@vvhitevvizard_]

go, Intel, go! we need competition.

[@oneanother1]

Thats already entry level. No one is going g to upgrade to it, we sort of want more performance at those prices. I'm not sure how they are exceeding price performance value. Amd and nvidia will have to give us better price performance because they don't have any software features to charge more for it. Its an uphill battle for Intel the higher performance they go, if they charge too much no one will buy it.

[@cezarnebun9607]

Intel needs to start making MOBOs again…that’s how they will be dominant…i would love to build a all Intel system, but without the crap that other mobo manufacturers are doing, not respecting Intel guidelines

[@meyatetana2973]

need more companies in the GPU market that are actually competing AMD isn't bad but they don't seem to be even trying to gain ground. Intel still looks a gen or so behind everyone but they made huge improvements so hope soon they'll actually be competing against the others properly.

[@adensmith8553]

There has been talks of Intel dropping out of the GPU market. Just like with there cpu you can't trust them so why buy no matter the price.

[@SamuKhan-e9w]

I formerly owned a msi claw handheld in a week and got a faulty device. I tried to fix without destroying the warranty and the performance improved and I was satisfied with the price. sadly i cannot fix the main problem so I returned the device and asked for a refund since they don't do replacement. if they are going to sell that price when i bought it out or lower i will still buy it.😂

[@1800BusterCheeks]

I enjoyed the 4060 so much that I went out and had to have the 4090 🙏 money well spent

[@bondjovi4595]

Intel should take Nvidea's spot.

[@biomagic8959]

everyrhing smells like a huge overhype. just goes to show how much gamers are desperate for value gpus. don't have much faith in lntel these days. let's wait for reviews and actual gaming numbers.

[@bsoda69]

I hope ARC Battlemage will have better efficiency power compare to both AMD and NVIDIA..

[@0Wayland]

12GB is a big selling point.

[@BastyTHz]

there many cheap pci-e 5 mobo on intel but amd just put pci-e 5 for the meltdown m2 nvme ssd instead of pci-e

[@kathrynck]

8x pcie 4 will have _more_ than enough bandwidth for ARC. I doubt ARC could even use half of that bandwidth. A 4090 doesn't even max an 8x pcie4 bus. GPU's use massive overkll on their pcie interface. Probably because it's cheap to implement, and it might pick up an extra 1fps here & there. Really, having an 8x interface is better, as it frees up pcie lanes for other things.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

From savior to no dgpu in the future....

[@pspsmallz]

Intel may have lost their way with cpus but hopefully they make up for it by releasing affordable gpus that offer real value.

[@uxiii9537]

I thought B580 was a motherboard

[@SNFDNSD]

Drivers, Drivers, Drivers!!!

[@KnightCrown]

Idk... You need a new mobo for this? AMD will still be the better budget option for gaming

[@kathrynck]

You won't need a new mobo if you have PCIE 4. 8x PCIE 4 has almost zero effect on a 4090's performance numbers (compared to 16x PCIE 5). And ARC has nowhere near that kind of bandwidth needs. If you're on an antique with PCIE 3 ...there 'might' be a bandwidth issue.

[@thefilthycasual448]

Episode 5: Intel strikes back! (?)

[@yudi8204]

Nah

[@CreatorOfWorlds]

If they manufacture in the US and nvidia|amd will be hit with tariffs. WIN for Intel.

[@kathrynck]

tariffs are probably the only legit reason (financially) for intel to continue to develop & progress ARC.

[@blueeyednick]

the gpu market is not saved at all. Intel will sh!t the bed again

[@raychii7361]

The only reason the intel gpu made sense was because of the shortage.

[@toonnut1]

Intel gpu's have been very disappointing. The driver's took far too long to get improved. I personally wouldn't think of buying one but I hope lots of people do because competition is good for consumers

[@kathrynck]

Considering how "green" intel is at GPU driver support... I think they fixed up ARC drivers about as fast as anyone realistically could. I mean, slow result, yeah. But not for lack of effort or skill. 2nd gen _should_ have "somewhat" less teething issues. (Operative words: should, and somewhat)

[@toonnut1]

@kathrynck nvidia just works

[@daniloalves1139]

Nooo post bad news about intel so the stock goes up

[@abaivovin2726]

Wonder how much the price will go up due to tariffs? If its 25% or more its going to bite.

[@GrainGrown]

*it's *it's

[@kathrynck]

_Interestingly_ ...Intel wouldn't be hit that hard by tariffs. Tariffs are probably the only reason for intel to consider continuing to develop ARC. Intel will have a big advantage over AMD/Nvidia due to tariffs. They make continuing to market ARC a lot more attractive on a spreadsheet.

[@GrainGrown]

@@kathrynck *NVIDIA

[@abaivovin2726]

​@@kathrynckdoubt it will make a huge difference in the long run. ARC are TSMC and all the other components will be East Asia as well as the board partners. If the US can make all the components and when the TSMC fabs are built it will be just as easy for Nvidia and AMD to put them together in the US for the US market as well. They will cost alot more to produce in US and it will all get passed on to the customer.

[@kathrynck]

@@abaivovin2726 Wait, ARC uses TSMC??? That's surprising. I didn't know that. Intel has fab capacity... what ceo genius at intel decided to invite a 'middle man' into their profit margin? Why even push to enter the GPU market in the first place, except to leverage their in-house fab capability? my brain = 404 now I was thinking they'd just pay +25% on vram, and a couple bucks extra for the other bits.

[@mexicanopdb]

I like how UFD tech just posted a video about how battlemage looks shit lol

[@brugj03]

Now it only needs to be sold.......and that`s the big problem. Oh, and drivers. And support. And it`s Intel. Ah, forget about it, i buy Nvidia.

[@gamingfromjohnwayne]

For title like that I better see half price drop and more gpus more than ever😅well this it dam we doomed 😅

[@oniesma]

650watt TDP. Go to hell intel😂

[@-SeanyBoy-]

give me a break, stop sharing intels propeganda, these are NOT the saving grace, they are more Intel junk!

[@RiasatSalminSami]

250$ is too high.

[@CyberClu]

I know, I was hoping for $200, $230 at the highest, but unfortunately Intel probably can't eat the cost, because they ruined their recent CPU market. Coupled with the fact that incoming tariffs next year, will probably inflate that price more, I'm kinda inclined to purchase one soon.

[@RiasatSalminSami]

@@CyberClu seems pointless. I will just skip out on gaming for another 3 years.

[@Jomi91]

Haha I just bought a new mobo, pcie 4.0, what a massive fail (from Intel, not me :)

[@Seattle808]

Peeps do your part and support ARC

[@kartikpintu]

Consumers should only think about their pockets. Price to performance is very important for consumers

[@GrainGrown]

Absolutely not.

[@cjmunnee3356]

If they make the right product at the right price, I plan on it.

[@TheAngry-AmericanGuy]

ANOTHER COPYCAT VIDEO, COME ON GUYS...THIS HAS BEEN DONE TO D E A T H !

[@halflife352011]

I have a love,hate with nvidia. I really hope intel makes them lower their ridiculous prices with competition.

[@kathrynck]

Same. Nvidia is that boyfriend who gets mean when drunk, but in bed... And you keep thinking "well as long as he doesn't drink too often..."

[@darkkingastos4369]

How is a more expensive card with less performance competition?

[@SugaShark]

Lmao y'all are hilarious it's not even our yet