The Grand Canyon PROVES Noah's Ark? w/ Dr. John Bergsma

[@anatomicallymodernhuman5175]

I love it when someone feels free to make a somewhat informed speculation but readily admits that they don’t know. I trust people like that. I hope to start a channel sometime in the next year or two examining the scientific record for various potential signals of Noah’s flood. There are many spanning the late Pleistocene and early to mid Holocene.

[@52frj]

Every culture on the planet has a catastrophic flood story. Think its more of a distance memory than a myth.

[@tiptupjr.9073]

"It just sounds bullshit to me." WOW! Such a nice Christian thing to say, Matt, especially about the Biblical testimony.

[@celiacannon8345]

I find fossils of shells on/in rocks around my garden here in Upstate NY. My husband found a trilobite up here as a boy. It was a good size specimen.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@celiacannon8345 yeah, what happened to all the Trilobites? There were like 2000 species at one point.

[@marinanguish9928]

I love to see a debate between this guy and Jimmy Akin on the subject of whether there was a global flood.

[@scrapdog2113]

Same here!

[@Leo3T]

Same here

[@gustavovilla45]

Oh yea!!!

[@danr9183]

Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World episodes on the flood serve as a pretty solid rational and faithful Catholic’s rebuttal to the global flood theories.

[@Leo3T]

@@danr9183 This guy on Pints With Aquinas has a PhD and Jimmy does not. Also, as the PhD said, the Covenant made between God and Noah is in the Catholic Catechism as still being in play/observed between God and the human race. I’ll admit I only listened to part of Jimmy’s discussion on the flood, but the reason I only listened to part of it is, because it saddened me to hear Jimmy speak about it as something that might not have occurred and Noah possibly not being real. The fact that it is stated in the Bible that a covenant was made between God and Noah/mankind after the flood is proof enough to me. I don’t think Moses (inspired by the Holy Spirit) would mention a Covenant being made if it was not true and correct. I think Jimmy and this PhD should debate! And Matt Fradd needs to not cuss.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

There are other options aside from the Black Sea basin, such as the Persian Gulf. We like to forget about the 4 rivers which once met -- the culture that remembered the Tigris, Euphrates, Gihon and Pishon meeting likely lived near enough to these rivers to experience the flood, if it was indeed regional. I think the Black Sea is a bit far away for that

[@parksideevangelicalchurch2886]

The difficulty with the Persian Gulf local flood theory is that its present coast line is very far away from the mountains of Ararat. The strength of the Black Sea local flood theory is that Noah's ark would have drifted to the south east corner of the Black Sea, in the foot hills of the mountains of Ararat. On the other hand, the confluence the Tigris, Euphrates, etc, rivers on the south east shore of present day Iraq would be a plausible location for the original garden of Eden.

[@Xander1Sheridan]

They need to start listening to geologists. Geologists will tell them there have been 3 impacts into oceans that were so strong they actually left impact craters on the bottom of the ocean since the end of the last ice age. And then of course there is whatever happened at the end of the ice age, which might have been one gargantuan impact event world wide. Sort of like Noah's global flood. The more I look, the more I think the Bible is actually a history book.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

@@Xander1Sheridan Indeed. There is satellite evidence the 4 rivers, Tigris, euphrates, gihon, and pishon did in fact meet, flowing from Eden, which is now below sea level. The last time the latter two rivers were flowing was the last ice age, long before writing was invented. That sounds like human history to me. What other books do we know that recorded 10,000 year old plus events?

[@timothygriffith177]

Thanks for having Dr Bergsma on your show. I love how he can take complicated information and boil it down for my simple mind haha.

[@richardmarshall1858]

There are a group of zoologists who explain how animals developed from one specific animal that represents an entire species, and how the ice age came after the great flood.

[@hanslim4031]

What are their names

[@JasonlaroseLaRose]

The word is, Kind. Kind, not species. Ken Hamm has marvelous videos on it.

[@marcel87688]

Technically the flood was from 12800 years ago to 11600 years ago, the younger dryas.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

There are, and they are all bonkers.

[@JV7486]

​@@StudentDad-mc3puyou are bonkers

[@Jwarrior123]

Thank you Dr. Bergsma for affirming the truth of the flood and Noah's Ark based on sound reasoning and evidence 👍

[@stefanfun]

He didn't, if you paid just a little attention. He just gave a very vague "could be, maybe..."

[@privatepyle2200]

What I don't understand is Matt's pushback. Why are global floods impossible and the resurrection totally different. Though they defy all inquiry

[@thatgirlray2765]

@privatepyle2200 because one has zero physical evidence to the contrary, one has insane amounts of physical evidence to the contrary.

[@privatepyle2200]

@thatgirlray2765 physical evidence for what? For the resurrection? Outside of the miraculous shroud of Turin, what? Highly highly questionable, just like any miracle. Miracles break the mold. Modernity cannot compute them, and they can't compute the way that fact makes them feel. Lol

[@dukekelloway5328]

So Fish choking on a fish too large swallow never happens. Death during childbirth never happened. And... not all the cats can interbreed but good job with muddying the water and muttering a whole lot while talking in circles. This guy has to be the PhD type.

[@cloverfield911]

A few things I will point out that completely debunks "Noah's Arc"....Kangaroos, Kualla bears, Kiwis, Comodo Dragon, Emus!!! Polar Bears, Pengiuns!! Did Noah travel to Australia and New Zeland to get and all thoose, and then leave them back to the exact contenents they are from??

[@collegepennsylvania837]

“The gospel is that I am so sinful that Jesus had to die for me, yet so loved and valued that Jesus was glad to die for me. This leads to deep humility and deep confidence at the same time. I can’t feel superior to anyone, and yet I have nothing to prove to anyone.” - Tim Keller

[@Butonfly]

I believe the gist of the argument for "how did all the animals fit on the arc" is -It was animals of a 'type'. -The full range of animals today are genetic variations off those types (All dogs come from a gray wolf). -The model works if the animals are, or include, adolescent forms, who are a fraction of the size. If you want a more challenging mental exercise, try and figure out how God made the entire universe out of nothing, with just his Word. Or contemplate how a being, God, is infinite. If you're having a hard time with the arc, you certainly have bigger problems.

[@Xerxes2005]

The problem with your reasoning is that a boat made out of wood and pitch is finite, not infinite, and falls under the scrutiny of reason, logic and science. The story of the Flood makes absolutely no sense.

[@Butonfly]

@@Xerxes2005 Can you please explain how something can come from nothing?

[@Xerxes2005]

@@Butonfly We're not talking about the story of Creation here, but about the Flood. The Ark, if even there was such a thing, was not built out of nothing, but out of wood and pitch, and not by God but by Noah, a man. The Bible gives even all the measurements of the boat. So science can determine if such an embarkation could even float, keep its integrity in the turmoil of the sea or contain all the animals it was supposed to transport, plus four men and their wives, and all the food needed, all that during 40 days.

[@AntonAchondoa]

​@@Butonflystop making Christians look bad with your rhetoric, my friend. It's unbecoming.

[@Butonfly]

@@AntonAchondoa You're injecting yourself into my words. The arguments are sound, and there's no rhetoric to them. How about this. You continue to concern yourself with how you think Christians should look. I will continue to provide a defense for the hope that I have. If anyone has trouble with God's account of Noah's Arc, I'm sympathetic. But He is trustworthy beyond reproach, and so is his word.

[@pseudo-dionysiosareopagite6541]

Thank you Dr Bergsma for defending inerrant Scripture- didn’t realise he was so based in this area

[@timothygriffith177]

He's fantastic.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Based??? As in, based in reality?🤣🤣🤣

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

The tortoises swam 4000Km across the ocean to New Zealand. Burn the Heretic! 🔥

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@AallthewaytoZ2 🤣 Does this fellow seriously think that ANYONE will convert (or even remain) if his opinion becomes the standard in his faith?

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

@@Charlotte_Martel 🤣 Laughter is the best medicine.

[@danielanthony8373]

The flood story means to me Listen to that little voice in your head that comes from God Build something audacious Protect your family Take care of all God's creatures no matter how big or small Obey God's law or drown in your own sin

[@mikestergios994]

Grew up in Missoula Montana, which was the center of an enormous interior sea created by ice age glaciers blocking the Clark Fork of the Columbia River. Those ice dams burst around ten thousand years ago, shaping the terrain of eastern Washington and carving the Columbia Gorge.

[@Llyrin]

There was a global flood 12ka. Two huge releases of water, Meltwater Pulses 1A and 1B (and possibly a third) caused the oceans to rise by 400’ in a relatively short time. Through a series of impacts and bolide airbursts that melted the ice sheets of the northern hemisphere, the last ice age came to a geologically abrupt end. Because the vast majority of the human population lived a short distance from the shore of oceans and tidal rivers (even to this day), the 400’ rise was catastrophic. There is evidence that the rise was as much as 30’ overnight at one point. Additionally, the impacts and exploding bolides would have instantly vaporized a considerable amount of the ice into water vapor. Prevailing winds would have driven that to the east, where it would have fallen as rain for an extended period. Further, with the ice sheets gone, the crust would have made an Isostatic adjustment, rising up where the isles had been, and pivoting down like a seesaw along the edge of the tectonic plates. Combined with the eustatic rise in sea level, the entire coastline of every continent sank hundreds of feet below the surface.

[@cozzwozzle]

I believe it. I didn’t know why so many are hostile to the possibility.

[@Llyrin]

@@cozzwozzle especially the archeologists, who for some reason, override geologists. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@philiptilden2318]

So there was an increase in meteors colliding with the earth at the end of the last ice age? Was that just a coincidence or a factor in the end of the ice age? Thanks.

[@t.d6379]

Lol yea

[@Llyrin]

@@philiptilden2318 archeologists scoff at the idea of any impactor. Meanwhile, there is plenty of evidence to show it happened (trimitite, microsoherules, shocked quartz, etc.). I believe the Taurid meteor stream was responsible. Maybe it was the last great debris from Comet Encke, maybe we’ll run into that dangerous area once again? Who knows? I believe it triggered a drastic change in the climate worldwide. Without all the ice on the surface, the albedo went way down, causing Earth to hold more heat. A warmer climate melted even more ice. With more ground exposed (where it wasn’t scoured), more plant life grew. The extinction of so much of the megafauna forced surviving humans to use agriculture to survive. And that’s only a few of the cha fed.

[@DisruptivIntent]

He is talking about the Younger Dryas Barrier and comet impact theory. Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have done a lot of work proving the flood was a real event.

[@crit_cannon1090]

Not “one species”, but “one “kind”. Makes a difference when speaking with unbelievers

[@hoid8069]

Except no YEC has ever put forth a consistent definition of what a "kind" is.

[@careybowden4864]

Matt: global flood and young earth were accepted by the Church Fathers. Old earth and theistic evolution (rather than special creation) were not considered by the Church until the 1950's after over a thousand years of the opposite via tradion. Please have Hugh Owen from Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation on!

[@ysyvon]

YES!

[@taylormcanerney8635]

Look up Hugh Owens, he gives very in depth and well researched explanation of Creationism and the Great Flood. He specializes in it.

[@Xani13]

Thank you. I will look him up.

[@t.d6379]

Lol no thanks

[@bluschke52]

Yes Hugh Owens is amazing.

[@Kelly_Grey]

Dr Irving Finkel made a nice video about a type of traditional round boat that was used at that time, with minimal amount of wood, and they made one based on the measurements given in the Bible. It floated and did not sink.

[@parksideevangelicalchurch2886]

The Bible gives the dimensions of the ark as “The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.” Genesis 6:15 (450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.) This is not a circle, it is actually the same proportions as many modern ships. I think that Dr Finkle was referring to the ark in the Epic of Gilgamesh. This is likely to be a historical memory of the real event, but distorted through the ages. Where as the account Moses summarises in the Bible was probably based on more accurate historical records preserved in the historical archives of Pharaoh's house.

[@Tony2centz]

The flood can be traced and found in many other traditions 😊 It happened fr fr

[@realstatistician]

Unfortunately, he is incorrect about the great cats being able to interbreed. They can have offspring but the offspring are sterile. They are distinct enough genetically that it doesn’t work. Compare that to dogs and wolves (and other canids) which are able to actually interbreed.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

I thought that as well. Lions and tigers are similar in size, but their offspring are infertile. Now imagine a house cat and lion trying to breed.

[@unimartspitbulls]

Glad I found your channel. Fascinating, pertinent, and helpful.

[@Critter145]

3:40 Sudden catastrophic burial and unique mineralogical conditions for the anoxic mineralization of organic matter.

[@kzbaby2002]

You wouldn’t have migrated to higher ground because unless you were Noah you wouldn’t have thought a flood was coming. And Noah didn’t go to higher ground because he did what God asked him to do - build an ark. And if the flood was local he would only have brought the local animals on the ark.

[@clarkemorledge2398]

Excellent response, @kazakhbaby2002 . Global flood is unnecessary, indefensible, and not warranted by the Scriptural text, when a large local flood satisfies both Scriptural and scientific criteria.

[@pochacho3117]

Well a local flood wouldn't have wiped out all of humanity, excluding noah and his family, like the lord wanted to do. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord: Genesis 6: 6-8 Furthermore, God commanded Noah's family to re-populate the world would have been pointless if not every other human was killed. Which wouldn't have happened if there was only a local flood.

[@genericyoutubeuser3828]

I have to concur. According to the text, God flooded the Earth- the entire Earth. It’s plain as day for any person to read. God is not one prone to hyperbole. He means what he says. People can decide which one they like more. The word of God or the word of scientists. It’s really that binary.

[@clarkemorledge2398]

@@pochacho3117 I am curious to know how you would interpret Psalm 104, a psalm about creation, where it talks about the separation of the land from the waters, such that "You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth." Does this not rule out a global flood after the creation event?

[@killianmiller6107]

If all humans lived in the same general area (like in the Middle East) then a local flood would wipe out all human beings on earth

[@vedinthorn]

The Ark doesnt demand a global flood any more than sacrifice is needed for absolution of sin, or humans are needed to evangelize. Certainly a tabernacle or temple or ark of the covenant isnt needed for men to talk to God. But its what God used to communicate the message for His reasons, and it worked. God doesnt NEED us to do anything at all. He doesn't need humans to rule the earth. Yet here we are.

[@joed5467]

Matt, I like how you interview, you seem to always ask/say what I would ask/say On your show, I would really like to hear from those serious Catholics who believe the universe is thousands, not billions, of years old. I originally thought this was kookie, but as I hear and read what they have to say, I find it fascinating. Not sure, but I believe Fr Chad Ripperger may be one of these If you had one of these on your show, you could ask him/her all kinds of very difficult questions, and see what they come up with, how they react If you have already done such an interview, please let me know, I will definitely watch it

[@killianmiller6107]

Jimmy Akin did a Young Earth debate with Gideon Lazar a while back, it’s even in this channel

[@hglundahl]

_"serious Catholics who believe the universe is thousands, not billions, of years old. I originally thought this was kookie, but as I hear and read what they have to say, I find it fascinating."_ Perhaps Bergsma, certainly myself, Hugh Owen, Kennedy Hall, Robert Sungenis, one Dominic Tassot in France, one French scientist last heard of in Russian occupied Crimea, forget if he's named Guy Bertaud or Berthaud, or sth else, specialises in rapid apparent stratification.

[@sebastianofmilan]

Fr. Chad Ripperger has videos on evolution and YEC.

[@hglundahl]

Can you link to some,@@sebastianofmilan?

[@joed5467]

@@sebastianofmilan what is YEC? Young Earth C…?

[@Gamingreviewer300]

I've never believed that the Colorado River created the grand canyon.

[@fitcoachmarshall4310]

Weird… never have seen this channel, yet it all of a sudden popped up in my Subscriptions and has me subscribed…. I’m down with the conversation though!

[@OrthodoxAscetic]

You have a comment on the “Sodom Discovered By Archaeologists” video… in which you say “Third time I’ve been unsubscribed….” So what is it? You’ve never heard of the channel… or you keep being unsubscribed from the channel??

[@mrtee3988]

@@OrthodoxAscetic Robots?

[@fitcoachmarshall4310]

@@OrthodoxAscetic I put that on ‘One For Israel’ channel… not this. Don’t think I’ve even seen a video from this channel. Unless shared by someone else I’m subscribed to. But that comment was left on a different channel. I literally had to resubscribe to them earlier this morning. 4 hours later I’m subscribed here with a video recommendation.

[@OrthodoxAscetic]

@@fitcoachmarshall4310 That comment was literally on this exact channel…

[@fitcoachmarshall4310]

@@OrthodoxAscetic I don’t know what to say… it’s KZbin. I’ve never been on nor subscribed and the comment I left was literally on another channel. I’m at a loss… 🤷‍♂️ Thank you for the negative assumptions though. Real “Christian” of you. 👍

[@roscius6204]

Ocean floors accumulate a lotta stuff, particularly when large rivers come into play. So all the sediment is just that. Scale is always the first hurdle for the human mind. Both size and time.

[@gunsgalore7571]

I do think a local massive flood in the Middle East (specifically around the Black Sea) is probably the best explanation for several reasons. 1. There is solid geological evidence for such an event, as well as a lack of settlements in the area during around 5600 B.C., the same time frame this Black Sea flood purportedly happened. 2. The Near East was essentially the whole known world to the ancient people living there, and so the language used to describe it would probably have been not significantly different than if it was a worldwide flood, so this matches with the imagery used in Genesis. 3. Two of every animal that lived around the Black Sea could plausibly fit on a boat the size of the Ark. (I know two of every animal that lives in my area could definitely fit on an ark that size. A couple of whitetail deer, a couple of wild pigs, a couple of coyotes, a couple of bobcats, and after that you're down to little critters and birds. I would imagine the area around the Black Sea is similar.) 4. Other Near East cultures (like the Sumerians, if I recall correctly) had their own records of this event, but over in other places that were civilized at the time, like ancient China, these stories do not abound. Now, I think that there are legitimate objections that might be made against this theory in favor of the global flood theory. The foremost is that Noah wouldn't have needed a boat if it was a local flood. Well, when we say "local," we don't mean "normal." We mean covering all of Turkey and the Black Sea region and potentially more than that, especially in the Near East. Noah could have been hundreds of miles from the nearest dry ground. A boat could indeed be a better option.

[@bikesrcool_1958]

Mandarin has a literal word that is 8 people in a boat combined

[@hiriasbloodweaver8593]

You do realize that the YD event in north america was not only several millenia earlier (11.000 B.C.), but there is also solid evidence supporting it. Plus, the seafaring culture in north america at that time is ancestral to the Phoenicians which already had writing, so it is very plausible how the great flood myth spread around mesopotamia later when they arrived.

[@avi8r66]

You are making a lot of irrational leaps and ignoraing a lot of reality to make this idea 'work'. For one, no, there is no geological evidence of a global flood as described by this story. 0. Also, even the story disagrees with you, it wasn't just '2 of every kind', go back and read again. Finally, Sumeria did have such a story, the Epic of Gilgamesh, a fictional story, nothing more unless you are willing to believe there is a whole community of gods involved here. And while a small sampling of some local animals might fit on such a boat this doesn't account for elephants, kangaroos, sloths, spiders, snake, pandas, bears, moose, camels, eagles, buzzards, hawks, osprey, and thousands of other distinct species. Just extracting the poop alone would have been too much to handle for 8 people on a boat with a single opening at the very top. Then you have the problem of food and distribution of that food, particularly when many of those animals are obligate carnivores, their food would need to be kept alive as well. Now, we also have plenty of evidence of other cultures up and running at this time. And the showed no sign of disruption. In fact, no such disruption in the dna history of any of these species, including human. So no, the story, as described, did not happen. It runs counter to all available evidence.

[@bikesrcool_1958]

@@avi8r66 they wouldn’t hold species though, that’s flood model 101. A representative of each species, and then variation and loss of genes. For example all bears come from 2 bears chosen. Also many animals could have most certainly gone into hibernation. And the other cultures thing either means the flood was further back, or the cultures didn’t originate that early. Not hard to reconcile, for example Egypt was one. And the proof claim is one that many beg to differ.

[@DarkAshenfall]

@@avi8r66 A key fact of why God caused the flood to happen is being ignored. God had grown displeased with Humanity and his resolution was the flood. He quite literally, warned Noah, because Noah and the few able to be chosen by him, were some of the only worthy of being saved. God wiped out entire civilizations of Humanity with the flood. Civilizations that exist in known history, would have come about quite some time after the Flood. Thus, of course, they have no written records of a global flood. Imagine how long it would have taken the few meager survivors to repopulate the Earth. Thousands of years. This means, there would have been an immeasurably large gap of time between then and our more ancient recorded history. Also, don't forget, the bible also clearly states that Human's used to live hundreds of years, but God eventually decided to shorten Human life span. So Humanity had long been around before the Flood. Noah himself was 600 years old. Human history before the time of the Israelites was quite old, but God chose not to record most of it in the Old Testament. We only see a few snippets, such as Noah and the flood. Thus, in summary, the fragments of recorded history that we have are too new and don't go back into the past. We only have a, relative, recent picture of our existence. As for geological history, Scientists have long known that large portions of the Earth were once covered by the oceans. Vast swaths of North America were once submerged. Its talked about in this video. So the evidence does exist, its just not talked about in reference to the flood, because the science community does not generally like acknowledging the Bible and how often its actual proven correct.

[@WickedFelina]

Should have discussed the Epic of Gilgamesh. He needs to give a good answer for that story.

[@hglundahl]

If Noah's Flood happened, the writers of Gilgamesh (and its included flashback about a survivor of the Flood supposedly still living) were descended from Noah and his sons. This means they _started out knowing the correct story._ What are the essential variations done to it? * cause of Flood and Ark is not a single God, but two opposed (about this issue) divine brothers (Enlil causing Flood, Enki causing ark) * Noah is still alive, immortal, and consulted (by a man somewhat reminiscent of Nimrod or his descendant Ninus) * individual immortality is not for man (except Noah), but collective immortality in a city makes up for it. Does that answer your problem?

[@fatstrategist]

@@hglundahlThis is a great response

[@daltondavidson7997]

@@hglundahl it causes far more questions than answers lol

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@daltondavidson7997 I doubt you care what this random thinks, but I think that the Genesis account is accurate. It says that the ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat, (there is some very interesting evidence for the ark being located there) at such an elevation that the local flood explanation doesn’t wash. So apparently the entire earth was covered in water up to and perhaps over 20,000 ft above sea level.

[@daltondavidson7997]

@@johnmacrae2006 I don’t doubt that. But I don’t commit a literal reading of Genesis to justify my faith either. I worry that at some point those who do will hear some piece of history that shakes their faith in Genesis to the point they lose faith in God and His Son.

[@WickedFelina]

I think we are hearing the Evangelical in him popping out. Even Saint Pope John Paul II openly accepted the age of the earth.

[@AslanRising]

How old is the earth? How do you know its the age you say? How long ago did dinosaurs live? What is the lifespan of Carbon 14?

[@hglundahl]

Too bad for Antipope Wojtyla ....

[@nightyew2160]

​@@AslanRisingWe have an accurate enough understanding of radioactive decay to create nuclear energy, a very precise understanding.

[@AslanRising]

@@nightyew2160 we do? Great, so explain how is it that Carbon 14 has a 100k lifespan, and Carbon 14 is found in dinosaur ....who we are told are hundreds of millions of years old?

[@williambillycraig1057]

@@nightyew2160 We assume we do, but in doing so, you could make an ass-u-me.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Imagine spending a hundred years building a massive boat if a simple walk to higher ground somewhere woulda worked.

[@Bioroid]

noah was anakin

[@vedinthorn]

Imagine walking around in the desert picking up white stuff off the ground for 40 years when just a three days walk to sheep and green pastures would have worked.

[@donelmore2540]

I don’t think a “regional” flood is necessarily improbable. If the area around you floods for hundreds of miles in every direction, it should seem to you that the whole world was flooded and, if it happened very quickly, there would be no time to head to higher ground, as soon, there would be no higher ground. I’m not arguing for a regional flood, just positing a possibility of a very local impression of a very large “local” event.

[@redsands2064]

Shutup

[@gawayne1374]

If there was a global flood, then where did all the water go?

[@user-ed2vb7wb2z]

Regarding the cave paintings that date back to about 40,000 years-how could they have survived this great deluge?

[@user-ed2vb7wb2z]

And how did the River create a canyon in 5000 years?

[@user-ed2vb7wb2z]

Not challenging genuinely curious

[@marcondespaulo]

I'm a geologist. I find the fossil record a point of contention between us and the non-geologist believers. But even I won't venture an interpretation there. I hold quite unlikely that we have been collectively wrong for the past 3 centuries regarding fossilization and the fossil record. Note that I'm not talking about speciation or biological evolution, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 mile stick. And, by the way, the Earth is a sphere.

[@thstroyur]

"And, by the way, the Earth is a sphere" And the sky is blue, and 2+2 = 4; so? Why is any of that relevant? "I hold quite unlikely that we have been collectively wrong for the past 3 centuries regarding fossilization and the fossil record" And since you're a geologist, of course I'm going to totally assume that assessment is 100% unbiased. On a more serious note, the problem isn't so much with this or that aspect of fossilization - it's with the very idea that you can 'divine' the past by simply making observations of natural things in the modern day. You probably look at the nice cake layers of strata in the geological column, and think you're scrolling through the pages of a history book that you can read if you're just clever enough to understand the language; it is more accurate however to say you're looking at just the _last_ page of the book, and extrapolating from that the plot of the entire novel. You can do that if you want, and certainly believe it's true - but believing so doesn't make something scientific. The natural sciences can't replace true history; for one, they can't even distinguish an ordinary event from a preternatural one. It's stuff like metaphysical naturalism/uniformitarianism that is doing the heavy lifting here, and getting packaged as 'science' for the masses. It's much more sensible to be agnostic here, as far as pure science is concerned: _ignoramus et ignorabimus._

[@marcondespaulo]

@@thstroyur well, you are reacting to things I didn't say or even imply.

[@thstroyur]

@@marcondespaulo No, I'm elaborating a point. If I'm wrong, or somehow misrepresented your position, you're more than welcome to make yours.

[@camerapasteurize7215]

There's an ark in Kentucky that was built according to dimensions laid out in the Bible. Every single step of building it, from the outside to the inside, was confirmed to be buildable by a team of workers with Bronze Age tools and knowledge. They followed logical steps and included logical features that the people of Noah's time would have known about boat-building. They also set up the interior of the ark to be as logical and functional as possible, the same way anyone building such a large project would. I've been there. They turned it into a museum where you can tour the entirety of the ark. You can see how a reasonable, intelligent layout would not only allow for the storage of breeding pairs of every kind of animal (and only those who could not survive a flood were included) and enough supplies to keep them fed and healthy, but would also allow a very small (

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Although they absolutely used modern tools.

[@camerapasteurize7215]

@StudentDad-mc3pu "Every single step of building it, from the outside to the inside, was confirmed to be buildable by a team of workers with Bronze Age tools and knowledge." This was one of the first sentences in my original comment. That's the level of argument people use to claim the Pyramids were built by aliens. "Their tools were too primitive, only modern humans could build this." In fact, a team of humans with decades of time, enough resources, and access to a range of primitive tools could build almost anything that the materials they had access to would allow. Humans have built and crafted massive structures of incredible detail and complexity for millennia, using simple tools and measurements to do so. The ark, based on its measurements in the Bible, was not even close to the largest thing that humans have ever built in terms of size or complexity. Especially considering it just needed to be a giant, stable wooden box that was watertight and could float. That's what "ark" means, by the way: "box." Up until the industrial revolution, every building, every vehicle, every ship, and every city was built with hand-forged and hand-carved tools by teams of skilled men. They built massive arenas that could hold thousands of viewers, huge temples that housed thousands of worshippers, and enormous ships in the dozens that could transport hundreds of soldiers each. This is all just a long-winded way of saying, what was even the point of your reply, other than to show that you didn't read my full comment? Did you think this was somehow a question that the dozens of archeologists and historians who worked on this project didn't think to answer when they began it?

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@camerapasteurize7215 Well that's cool. I might visit one day when I'm over there. But I'm under no illusion that the Ark is not real.

[@jameslindsay24601]

It is so refreshing to hear real live science, without a predetermined evolutionary paradigm.

[@bluequirk4655]

Great interview , complete Gem . Thanks & Cheers mate

[@WickedFelina]

Grand Canyon is layers of sea on top of sea, on top of sea. That takes a LITTLE bit longer than 6 thousand yrs. Little bit.

[@hglundahl]

Or multiple layers of sediment within a single Flood, which was more than one event.

[@davidr2299]

@@hglundahlabsolutely not. That’s not what the evidence shows. You can’t just make something up to fit a world view. That’s called being dishonest.

[@Paid2Kill73]

Either that, or, extremely quick moving water over a shorter period of time.

[@brokenvessel8886]

The evidence is what it is. You are interpreting it on a philosophical presupposition, just as Christians. You don’t know if anything you said is true. And yet, you are very confident in that.

[@scrapdog2113]

@@hglundahlthat’s not how sedimentary layers work

[@Archaeonauts]

Looking at mythologies from around the world, I think the Great Flood event might have been global in nature, but not necessarily water covering the entire planet. Some ancient myths talk about a time of extreme cold. I think some areas might have been flooded (like the middle east) while some other regions were affected by a long winter. I think Noah's story was about the known world of the ancient Israelites. With that in mind, I think Noah could have taken animals of the region, the known world to the Israelites, while some other animals (kangaroos perhaps) in other parts of the world might have survived another way. In some cases, some animals might not have been saved at all, like the megafauna. But we don't know exactly when Noah's story took place, so it's hard to say if the megafauna were even around at the time of Noah or not.

[@phillipemery572]

Being that humanity congregated around major bodies of water until fairly recently, it's not really all that shocking that most cultures experienced a catalysmic flood event at some point in the last 10,000 years. Glacial melt, tsunamis, deluges, seiches, lahars -- there are a lot of natural mechanisms for local inundation that don't require a global deluge or meltwater event. My two cents.

[@Archaeonauts]

@@phillipemery572 I’ve long thought one of the best places to find pre-flood cities and settlements would be in underwater locations. My guess is a lot of places stayed under water. Graham Hancock has written about underwater archaeology, but doing archaeology under water is complicated and expensive, so it’s no surprise that there isn’t much of it done.

[@bruhmingo]

Those myths are a result of Christian missionary influence.

[@AallthewaytoZ2]

@@bruhmingo These myths are written down and predate Christianity.

[@Archaeonauts]

@@bruhmingo Myths that describe a long winter that isn’t mentioned in the Bible are a Christian missionary influence?

[@michaelpfister1283]

The back-flooding of the Black Sea basin was a result of the flood and the rising sea levels as the Atlantic sea floor rose post-flood.

[@iambryaen]

Yes. Love it. I would also like to add that noahs ark dimensions were for staying afloat. That's it. It was not designed to move forward at all. So what I see is the plate tectonics just suddenly bam, buckle, lifting and bringing down and so a huge wall of water possible 800 or more feet high just rushing. And so the dimensions given to Noah were just to keep the boat from falling over and sinking. No boats are designed this way and I think that's really important as well.

[@johnfisher247]

There is a much older version of the story of the flood in the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh and also on an earlier Sumerian clay tablet. As Abraham came from the Euphrates it is likely the story was more ancient and told in the context of an older religion and beliefs. As would be expected older stories are included in the Pentateuch because the stories are of great antiquity and are part of human cultural memory.

[@twstvan93]

The short video leaves you wanting more!!

[@gordonflash8976]

There is a book called the ark a feasibility study, that deals with things like how big the ark needed to be and how many animals needed to be on it. Etc etc.

[@ferreus]

No... please no..

[@shilohmjh7628]

Just curious as to what your comment means.

[@ferreus]

@@shilohmjh7628 frustration with this stupid dead end

[@JohnSmith-gy4qj]

If its a local flood all Noah jad to do was move .What about man made artifacts in coal.

[@Psalm34rws]

Apparently Matt has never heard Arky Arky. It even mentions kangaroos Matt. Come on man 1. The Lord told Noah, There’s gonna be a floody, floody, (repeat) Get those children out of the muddy, muddy, Children of the Lord. Refrain Rise and shine and give God the glory, glory, (repeat twice) Children of the Lord. 2. The Lord told Noah to build him an arky, arky (repeat) Build it out of gopher barky, barky, Children of the Lord. Refrain 3. The animals, the animals, they came in by twosies, twosies, (repeat) Elephants and *kangaroosies, roosies* , Children of the Lord. Refrain 4. It rained and poured for forty daysies, daysies, (repeat) Almost drove those animals crazies, crazies, Children of the Lord. Refrain 5. The sun came out and dried up the landy landy, (repeat) Everything was fine and dandy, dandy, Children of the Lord. Refrain 6. The animals they came off, they came off by three-sies three-sies, (repeat) Grizzly bears and chimpanzee-sies, zee-sies, Children of the Lord. Refrain 7. That is the end of, the end of my story, story, (repeat) Everything is hunky dory, dory, Children of the Lord. Refrain

[@luker8887]

Absolute classic

[@vkbowers]

LOL, I thought my husband typed this comment 😂

[@careybowden4864]

Another point against a local flood for Noah: Why would God promise never to flood the world again when we've obviously had many floods since The Flood? Either The Flood was unique (global) and has never happened since, or it was a local Flood and God didn't keep His promise.

[@AntonAchondoa]

My friend, the story is not a literal retelling of history. It is a metaphorical representation of the Jews' development of their relationship with YHWH.

[@patrick9762]

Yep that would make God a bare faced liar .

[@patrick9762]

​@@AntonAchondoaIn other words Gid is a liar .

[@AntonAchondoa]

@@patrick9762 I would caution against a literalist interpretation, unless you are comfortable with a genocidal deity. If humanity regenerated from Noah's family exclusively, then we would also have to say that incestuous relations are not objectively immoral. Literalism backs us into a corner we don't want to be in. Let's take it as a story of human reflection where a natural disaster was interpreted as punishment for human corruption. God is not a liar. Humans are simply storytellers, poets, and philosophers.

[@philmccracken2012]

Where can I find a whole podcast instead of little segments?

[@andrewosterloh2244]

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[@donshepherd2211]

I believe Immanuel Velikovsky had a plausible theory on the flood?

[@joekrim6557]

ive watched a video where petrified trees are still standing vertically through several geographical layers of sediment

[@ENTERTAINtheDUDE]

Graham Hancock explains the flood theory best. The melt water pulse 1 B I believe it is named at the end of the last ice age 12,800 years ago

[@hglundahl]

2:08 _"here in Ohio"_ At any given point in Ohio, would you find a pelykosaur under or a Uintatherium over a dinosaur? Or are land vertebrate fossils found at only one level for each location of Ohio, like I've found it to be in the rest of the world (with a fairly panorama kind of view)?

[@tau-5794]

It depends, if the stratification causes very flat, horizontal lines in the earth it's entirely possible, though unlikely to find fossils from each age "stacked" on top of eachother. But if there are geological events like mountains forming, sinkholes, earthquakes, pretty much anything that can tilt or upset those layers, then even on relatively flat area you might find layers that, while geologically "above" other layers, would have fossils that are side-by-side instead of stacked.

[@hglundahl]

There is a simpler explanation@@tau-5794 . Fossils are side by side now, because living creatures were side by side during the flood, except in seas, where they sometimes were stacked.

[@MoosePiece14]

Heyyyy go Ohio!!! Didn’t know this was here!

[@mickeyhead9770]

“Faith is believing in something when common sense tells you not to.”

[@consulmollard]

There was a global flood!! Just like the Bible says! You can’t sit there and say there was no flood yet believe in Jesus! The Bible tells us both things happened! There is no middle ground! You either believe or you don’t! You don’t get to pick and choose out of the Bible what you want to believe!!!

[@aaron3127]

The 'Younger Dryas' hypothesis is an interesting explanation on a global flood. Graham Hancock has done a decent amount of research.

[@jweezy8645]

Randall Carlson is who introduced the theory to Graham

[@jphanson]

Sounds like bs to me too. The doctor back-peddled real quick after he was challenged. Lol

[@321lionheart8]

Is a parable. Not to be literally. The Chinese in Egyptian predate or existed thousands of years before Noah where do they come from?. There were also some of the first trick or history and they never recorded or seem to notice a worldwide the flood. Noah had three sons. In the story when they found land after the flood his three sons found wives to marry. This is after in the story in the Bible it's been declared that there were the only people who survived the flood. Who were the three women that Noah's Three sons found to marry?. The story of Noah is a parable.

[@mattmck6006]

Noah's a myth now? How do i pick and choose what to believe?

[@QiryuslilBerdy]

It was always a myth. So is genesis. these are religious stories told for religious purposes, they were always meant to convey theological truths not scientific ones. And that's not just me saying it, that's basically quoting Cardinal George Pell verbatim. Even the slightest critical scrutiny of a supposed real noahs flood, there's millions upon millions of species, you cant build a boat that big dude. And what did he feed the carnivores? Moses took two of each animal, but half those animals would have had a diet that included the other animals, for example Lions alone eat 4-12lbs of meat per day. Only meat. And you cant just take two termites, or two bees, that's not how that species work. And with only two individuals of ANY species you wouldnt have enough genetic diversity to keep them alive anyway. And how did the kangaroos and koalas get from the top of mount Sinai in the flipping middle east all the way back to australia? Did two kangaroos swim together across 2,000 miles of ocean? Do you see what I mean? Don't read the bible literally

[@EJ_7715]

Noah's not a myth, he is well supported in the history of ancient texts. Also, Jesus said he was real, so there you go.

[@mattmck6006]

@@QiryuslilBerdy what is the theological truth to creation if not actually believed?

[@QiryuslilBerdy]

@@EJ_7715 there can still be a man named noah, who made a covenant with God, without all the silly and implausible details of the story. These were oral traditions for hundreds of years. They were purposely crafted with symbolism that the ancient hebrews understood to be just symbolism. Jesus never said anything about the earth being 6000 years old, or "genetic entropy" which is just pseudoscience bullcrap. The past 4 popes have acknowledge the correct age of the earth, human evolution, and highly discouraged simplistic and overly literal interpretations of genesis.

[@mytestimonytojesuschrist]

@@QiryuslilBerdyThat’s heresy. Noah actually existed, as did the Ark and flood, whoever says otherwise will face judgement.

[@fishynathanfilms]

The Institute for Creation Research has been doing solid, peer-reviewed research on evidence for a global flood for decades - massively faith-building! Answers in Genesis also has a lot of PhDs involved in its activities and research and publishes scholarly work all the time on Creation and the Global Flood. The Flood really is the best explanation of the evidence we see in the fossil record and in the geology and geography of the earth

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

I second all of this!

[@PearlmanYeC]

Nice concise but very informative presentation. shared.

[@PearlmanYeC]

also following GCM

[@bpots717]

This is fascinating

[@ringandpinion3064]

I've seen tshirts on Jeep drivers and Harley riders, "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand". While some of the old testament may be based in fact, the people that wrote it, the Hebrews, consider much of it as anecdotal. And indeed, most of it was handed down verbally before it was documented after many many years. If things like this are the realm of those disagreeing with Christianity, then these people are not worth having the conversation with. Yes, we are told to spread the word, but we are also told what a waste it is to cast pearls before swine.

[@jerryamescua]

There was probably many arks spread around the globe. That’s why every civilization has a ancient story of an ark

[@JumpJeho]

The ark doesn't "demand a global flood". The bible says God wanted to destroy everybody except for Noah's family. THAT demands a global flood.

[@bruhmingo]

That assumes the passage isn’t using hyperbole or isn’t heavily poetic, which it obviously is.

[@michaelbarry1664]

@bruhmingo Does scripture’s poeticism demand that it be made up? Can it be poetic telling of a true event?

[@rosebudmelissa]

It would depend how far humanity had spread at that point. The flood certainly covered the whole known or settled world.

[@JumpJeho]

@@bruhmingo I'm with you. I was just playing devil's advocate. Or I guess God's advocate in this case. Ha, Ha. I love watching these videos of pseudo-intellectuals try to defend the bible which can't hold up to real intellectual scrutiny.

[@ClayMcDermott]

You could explain it this way: Noah’s Flood was local, but happened at a much earlier stage of human history, when humans were much fewer. So the flood killed all humans other than the 8 on the ark.

[@dameon2170]

Cheeta can not breed with tiger but only A lion can

[@marcelmolenaar5684]

Bosporus was a swamp. The Black Sea was a valley.

[@joelt2002]

There was a massive sea level rise around 9,000-10,000 BC. As in the sea level rose hundreds of feet over a short period of time. That would have resulted in a large amount of coastal land being flooded. We also know there were ancient cities around that time. We have 3 different mythologies (probably more) that talk about it. The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Bible, and the Myth of Atlantis (supposedly came from Egypt). The entire globe wasn't submerged in water. But large quantity of coastal cities were probably wiped out by the event, where people had to flee. Those stories were likely passed down over time as it would have been a major event where many people died. Like most stories in the bible they are grained in some real historical events. But oral tradition relies upon the story being interesting or relevant. And over time those stories may have evolved, similar to the King Arthur legends in Europe.

[@Joe-fu1ej]

My goodness, how many times can he say “ you know!”

[@patrick9762]

Or " Issues " .

[@sugansugan56]

I have watched your channel grow- interesting guests- good job

[@caleblagrange7164]

You'd still wanna take animals on an ark for a local flood. You probably want some to farm after the water goes down. You don't want to count on just chasing down a wild horse or something.

[@hglundahl]

4:17 _"how big does this Ark have to be"_ I actually in October 2021 made an essay called: _Ark : empty weight and freighted weight, number of couples on the Ark._ Quoting it: // So, for men and beasts and their food and the tools not specified, we have a weight of between 13,257.381 metric tons and 47,740.844 metric tons, if my observation on the waterline holds water (ha ha). On the other* post, I had estimated the number of couples to 2032, meaning 4064 individuals, on the average size of a sheep. Now, a sheep eats 7 kg green fodder per day, 365 days. 10,383.52 metric tons for food. How much would 4064 sheep weigh? Tame sheep weigh 45 to 160 kg for the bucks, 45 to 100 kg for the ewes. Let's add the numbers together and divide by four : (45+45+160+100)/4 = 87.5 kg. Let's multiply this by 4064. 355.6 metric tons. Living passengers with crew therefore 355.6 + 10,383.52 = 10,739.12. So, even the smallest weight available for the animals and food and tools and the walls of the small chambers and so on has 500 tons for tools and temporary water supplies on top of needed animals and food weight. And the 2032 couples I got by reducing an evolutionist's estimate for number of species (taking mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians separately) by only 16, the number of species I thought there were of hedgehogs, but that's actually 17. //

[@themessenger33]

ship length 6 km width 2 km rivet-like nail 15 tons. I can show

[@hglundahl]

I already said sth different@@themessenger33 . *The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits: the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.* Let each cubit be 18 inches, 5400 inches by 900 inches by 540 inches or 137.16 m by 22.86 by 13.716 m gives 43,006 cubic meters. Let half of that displace water, 21,503 cm water = 21,503 metric tonnes freighted weight.

[@scrapdog2113]

Simple answer to this title: “No it doesn’t”

[@jesseparrish1993]

So *maybe* Noah's flood deposited the geological column with animals arranged in a very peculiar order, along with their tracks, nests, and burrows, in layers defined by composition rather than aggregate or density as seen in other flood layers.

[@skylinestudiosrc]

Or maybe those tracks and nests are from after the flood ?

[@jesseparrish1993]

@@skylinestudiosrc You're saying that the flood deposed layers 1,2,3,4, and 5 by composition, then after the flood, animal tracks, burrows, and coprolites were created in the buried layers 2, 3, and 4?

[@ysyvon]

I love how everyone loves to appeal to the Church Fathers on all matters... that is except for their views on the age of the earth, the historicity of Biblical events, and the place of the Earth in the universe...

[@Ketofit62]

I was right about the water management system!

[@michaelinminn]

Kangaroos on the Ark? 'nuf said. I'm having a hard time with this.

[@lisajohnson5516]

I support the cataclysmic flash melting of the North American Ice sheet via Meteor strike.

[@popkorn6122]

"Instant fossilization" creatures frozen in time at the moment. A fish eating another fish." Wasn't the great flood a result of constant rain for 40 days and 40 nights? How is this instantaneous? It sounds like more like an asteroid impact. However, those who actually wrote the bible had no idea what an asteroid impact was. Hello? Is anybody there?

[@JWMTR]

Our Lord referred to Judgement day being “like unto the days of Noah.” Meaning it was a universal flood across the earth.

[@housecry]

Questions to ask oneself: What does science tell us about the history of Earth's topography? What does Scripture say about the flood of Noah? Was humanity concentrated or were we spread throughout the Earth? What does science say? What does Scripture say? What language is this written in? Hebrew or Greek? What are all the passages in Scripture that speak of the flood and creation? Genesis 1:1-2 Gensis 1:6-13 Genesis 6-8 Psalm 104 2 Peter 3:4-6 Etc. Instead of a debate how about a dialogue between Christian scientists?

[@hanslim4031]

How would freezing of fish relate to the flood?

[@DaddyKratosOfTheShire]

Wouldn't take 2 of every animal for regional

[@gregferrone8724]

Thomas Aquinas said everything is smoke and mirrors after 900 years is in Turkey

[@phillipemery572]

Wonder how many people are both YEC and local flood, or alternatively, OEC and global flood?

[@dummyfatso5537]

All of the animals could have been babies when they entered the arc

[@bigtex4058]

The Noah story is just a rehash of the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh.

[@StudiesOfTheAncientNearEast]

The Gilgamesh flood is a rehash of Atrahasis. The Genesis flood is an independent oral tradition.

[@jameslay1489]

@@StudiesOfTheAncientNearEast the Genesis Flood was taken from the Babylonians during the Jewish exile to Babylon.

[@captainofiron]

There's also the discovery of worm wood inside the earth that is thought to hold massive amounts of water. My brain instantly goes to the Bible talking about waters from the deep

[@aguest4408]

I think you meant ringwoodite rather than worm wood, and I agree.

[@captainofiron]

@@aguest4408 yes! That's what I meant to type. Worm wood lol

[@AJWRAJWR]

I think John's dragging his old literalist protestant frame of mind into this debate. There's no need to come out with such abhorrent pseudo-science, using his ingrained protestant thinking to justify his Catholic conversion. The early Church Fathers like St. Augustine wrote that any scripture that is incommensurate with logic and science must be read as symbolic.

[@Telorchid]

I'm assuming this was the entirety of the interview material that covered Noah's ark. Given the other clips I've seen of Dr. Bergsma, I don't know why he didn't address the relationship of the Flood story to Mesopotamian equivalents like the story of Utnapishtim or other LITERARY issues. Like the fact that the framing in global terms could have been for theological emphasis, which is very often the larger point, even if real events are described. The flood story presents a design pattern where a righteous saving figure with an incorporative dimension is brought through the waters so that creation can begin again. (The flood is a cosmic de-creation, where the cosmic chaos waters of Genesis 1 cover the dry land again.) This recurs in Moses's birth story, and the Exodus, just to name a few. There are also correspondences between the dimensions of the Noah's Ark and the Tabernacle (iirc...could also have been the Ark of the Covenant or Temple.)

[@JamesDuffey-f7u]

Trees standing straight up through multiple layers of coal ! Duh

[@christopherfleming7505]

I always found the local flood theory stupid. Wouldn't God just have told Noah and his family to move?

[@ethanhenley2103]

@christopherfleming7505 There’s way more evidence of a regional flood around the Black Sea than a global flood. For one, there’s not enough water in the atmosphere to raise ocean levels by an inch, much less to cover entire mountains. Maybe, there was a massive ice-asteroid, however this even challenges the idea of it being 40 days of rains. People, at this time had a very limited perspective, their ideas of the world were limited by geography and time. You also have to consider, the Babylonians had a similar flood narrative, it was just polytheistic, not monotheistic.

[@freyatilly]

A few observations. There was a massive flood. Various tablet documents pre biblical, as source material, bring us to a conclusion via the perspective of many other cultures. There were also many large local floods, changing landscapes and opening up areas to water that were once dry lowlands. The Black sea hypothesis for the Ark, is not too convincing. Not all major cats can interact. If they do the offspring are sterile.