The Great Protein Fiasco

[@o0okgo0o]

Great video! Would love to show this to my dad, but he'd never believe it. "But protein builds muscle!" says the man scarfing down a 12 oz steak looking five months pregnant full of excess fat. -_- It's amazing how confident people are about the the importance they believe animal protein has on our health even though they have never taken a nutrition class or even read a non meat industry funded article.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Muscles actually make proteins, not the other way around - google Satellite cells. Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@leftyfourguns]

If you guys ever get into it again, just ask your dad what the largest most powerful land animals are. Carnivores or herbivores? I doubt he'll like the answer lol

[@chinoto1]

I guess the only way we can prove humans don't need so much protein is to build some muscle because you can't argue with results. Unfortunately, that on its own isn't enough motivation for me.

[@turbonbc]

I gained 10kg of muscle in 4-5months vegan and no 1 believes me. I didn't even focus on protein just carbs/calories and handfuls of nuts and seeds here and there as all food contains protein by the end of the night the numbers pile up. I went from 65 - 75 kg and was only consuming 50-80g of protein a day on average.

[@jorgethecoach]

You’re not the only one with a similar story bro, not to that extent, but I can relate

[@greenleafyman1028]

Our own body produces enough protein. We don't need to get it somewhere else. If we want a good amount of protein, then we have to eat a food that is good for overall function of our body.

[@MrLuna109]

That also happened to me and I was just working as a grocery stocker. Since then I've been training consistently for 7 years and weigh about 60 lbs more

[@allstarscamparker8797]

Haha that’s because it’s impossible to gain 10kg of muscle in 4 months🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you have no idea how anything works you need to do some research

[@CollegeVideoFreak]

can u give ur full macros?

[@cosmickitty9533]

Dr Greger for president!

[@jeffk464]

Well can't be any worse than hillary or Trump.

[@mattspyro]

What did they do to Obama?

[@Rockesb888]

Matt they gave him the Nobel peace prize before he even took office. Not such bad treatment if you ask me.

[@doctabrar]

I second this motion

[@asadakhtar1155]

That county would actually become a great one

[@hibye8405]

doc gregers facts on fire again🔥🔥💯🙌🏼💯

[@Master.blaster1212]

Dude is brilliant. If I'm ever tempted to eat garbage (meat, eggs, dairy) I just watch a couple of his videos.

[@santianzo2861]

so you are a fake vegan?

[@lola0600]

+Santi Anzo what does that mean?

[@hibye8405]

+Max Urfer same i love him❤️

[@rabity]

hi bye oh yeah!

[@RawFitChris]

Many talk about bodybuilding as if it is a good thing. It isn't. Sure, getting as strong as possible and eating well to increase and maintain your top five biomarkers which REQUIRES progressive overload exercise mainly in the form of squats and dead lifts is absolutely necessary for basic life quality, but NOT when you add forced feeding, increased protein and excess food in order to substantially increase your body size. Popular and commercial bodybuilding, especially as espoused over YT is a very unhealthy endeavor.

[@Abc-qs8ir]

Chris C No centenarian body builders out there! Most centenarians just walked/ jogged/ cycled as exercise (low intensity exercises)

[@insanitynears]

High quality bullshit right there. I can discredit your science as fast as I can discredit the "troubles of over-eating protein" because association is not causation. In fact, modern literature shows that controlling for other variables, high protein diet is not detrimental by itself to any of the parameters mentioned in this video, including liver and kidney function. Bodybuilding is a sport, which has risks, especially if done excessively with exogenous drugs. Don't confuse that with the protein requirement that is needed to support this lifestyle, which this video completely ignores. If you train hard, and under-eat protein, you are doing yourself a disservice both in terms of progression and injury risk.

[@philddlesticks]

strength training will come in handy when you want to prevent falls later in life

[@malenejensen2995]

The Danish doctor Mikkel Hindhede found around 1920 that 40 grams of protein was sufficient for an adult man with hard work. He saved the Danes from starving during WWI, by slaughtering most of the farm animals and feeding the people with the feed. In rest of Europe many people starved to death, but in Denmark the mortality went down. Hindhede also saved the Danes during WWII.

[@jeffk464]

Well common sense, if you eat lower on the food chain you consume less resources.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@jeremylavine]

@@oliverleslie7382 Humans can produce only those amino acids termed "non-essential". We need to get all "essential" amino acids from our diet.

[@oliverleslie7382]

@@jeremylavine Jeremy, that was poor science (wrong science) from the 1940's based on poor science study of that era - coupled with major assumptions that never bore actual proof. What we know today, this century, this decade even, is quite advanced; we can fix nitrogen;synthesize even the essential amino acids (which make them no longer "essential"), and we make all of our own proteins and nutrients - and among other things, we can't use dietary nutrients.

[@jeremylavine]

@@oliverleslie7382 It seems you've been taken in by some idiotic crackpot theory that goes against common sense and decades of scientific experiments, and you've decided to post it in many comments on this video. Metabolic pathways in the human body and in many plants and other animals are very well known. Humans cannot generate the essential amino acids from other nutrients. People deprived of any of the essential amino acids suffer a diseased state, which may include deterioration of organ function. If you have any real science from peer-reviewed journals supporting your claims, please post links.

[@redjumping]

Everyone's concern is over protein, no one has any concerns about fibre, I guess looking like Rocky is more important than being healthy.

[@Joseph1NJ]

The doc has more than a few videos on the importance of fiber.

[@Yay-hovah]

You don’t get to look like Rocky without having a balanced diet.

[@Joseph1NJ]

And lot's of training, hard work, and steroids. That is if you're talking about Stallone. Still, PEDs or not, he's one super athlete.

[@rayarjomand6533]

How do you know that ?

[@Joseph1NJ]

Ray Arjomand Steroids? He was arrested a while back getting off a commercial plane with them.

[@JS-yd5vc]

I like doctor Greger, but I do spot a problem with this. If he’s going to say that human breast milk is the “perfect food ratio for all humans” and not just babies, to argue we only need 5% of our calories from protein (breast milk is 5% protein), then to be logically consistent he will also have to argue that we should be getting 58% of our calories from fat (with almost half of that being saturated fat) because human breast milk is 58% fat (26% Saturated fat). But he doesn’t do this. So clearly he thinks that as we age, our dietary needs become different from the needs of a baby. I’m not saying he’s wrong about protein requirements being low, I agree they’re lower than people think. I’m rather saying that his argument using breast milk to support it is flawed, he basically contradicts himself with it. He should focus on other arguments.

[@ssn877]

You are not correct. Anyone can look up to find that human breast milk contains 3-5% fat.

[@JS-yd5vc]

@@ssn877 from the USDA, 1 cup of breast milk is 171 calories, with 11 grams of fat (5 of which being saturated). That’s 57% fat (11x9=99, 99/171=0.5789, 0.5789 aka 57.89%) Not sure where you’re getting your information from.

[@vegetablepolice]

You're protein.

[@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321]

shut up kent. you're deficient.

[@SamsonPavlov]

LMFAO!

[@Crazydoglady.]

How dare you!

[@mike-2342]

You want to stick your protein in my what?

[@Alexischile10nz]

Omg while watching this a fucking disgusting fonterra (milk multinational) ad started on the tv about infant formulae, i instantly said fuck it

[@Jayterra]

Clear, concise, and exactly the tool I need whenever people question my protein intake. Thank you.

[@mad_vegan]

Four years later and the Wikipedia article on Kwashiorkor is still wrong. In the talk page there are tons of references explaining that it's not caused by protein deficiency but no one bothered to rewrite the article.

[@rawpeach2346]

yesterday I almost gave up on writing about dairy and humans health but I saw this few hours ago and I got an energy boost to do that. I was telling my mother about it, that "dr Gregor" gave me a power and inspiration, and she said - well, did you say thank you to him? (she thought that he is a doctor from my university) And then I thought, thats right I didnt and I should do this, it doesnt matter that he probably wont ever know about that. Dr Gregor - you are amazing, thank you for your time spent on each second of your videos.

[@SugaryCoyote]

Funny, you wouldn't need an energy boost if you weren't a vegan...

[@Karter_Flores]

SugaryCoyote Very funny, and what diet do you happen to follow, that retarded keto diet? Perhaps it’s the “paleo diet” that isn’t even based on what humans truly ate in the Paleolithic era.

[@NikoRittenau]

Thank you Dr. Greger! Once again AMAZING!!

[@florianwueest]

Very good work as usual. Keep it up Dr. Greger. You're definitely leaving an impact. Greetings from a plant based fitness trainer

[@bananablondie1088]

Thank you for this one! I'll be referring countless people to this video.

[@MrAnperm]

Gladiators trained hard and ate little more than barley.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@user-bh1oy8kj5q]

And how long did gladiators live?

[@ImNoclue]

You make it sound like that was a special gladiator diet. They basically just ate was poor people ate, plus ashes for minerals. From the study that reference comes from: "In total, 53 individuals, including 22 gladiators, were analysed. All individuals consumed C3 plants like wheat and barley as staple food."

[@ImNoclue]

Also from the study: The social group of gladiators mainly consisted of prisoners ofwar, slaves, and condemned offenders. I don't think we want to eat like they fed those people.

[@ImNoclue]

@@user-bh1oy8kj5q The bodies in the study looking at stable isotopes in gladiator bones are done on losers, many of whom probably died in their first fight.

[@claudiag3531]

Amazing video! Perfect timing in my life too, I get ask about my protein intake as a vegan almost daily. Love how clear and concise ur presentation of facts is Dr Greger!

[@vegantina6565]

Dr. Greger is the holy grail of nutritional knowledge.

[@frodothehobo9938]

actually the guy's an idiot, sorry to burst your bubble. if he really gave a shit about health he would be exercising, he himself does no exercise whatsoever. he just pushes veganism under a guise of health while linking old studies that find coorelation, not causation.

[@vegantina6565]

frodo the hobo lmfao he exercises all of the time. What crack are you smoking?!

[@acerimmeh]

frodo He does exercise, he walks 17 miles a day, in fact he states this in a Q&A while exercisingkzbin.info/www/bejne/fJDbgpSugJx6bNU (go to 24:52)

[@johntho5674]

Relax guys, you should know that youtube is now "TV", and as such, there are..."employees" we'll say that need to go around in comment sections spouting the mainstream narrative. Also, there are regular trolls and tools.

[@davids2588]

How valid is the breast milk argument really (for adults!) ?

[@jadedk9916]

This doctor bases his claim for lower protein intake on the "science" that breast milk contains less than 1% of protein. Yes, breast milk contains about 1% of protein, because 100 g of breast milk contains about 4.4 g of fat, 1 g of protein, 7 g of carb, and 87.6 g of water. If you take the water out of the equation, the fat-protein-carb ratio of breast milk is 35:8:56. If you were to "scientifically" base your optimum protein intake on the protein ratio in breast milk, you should have said 8% instead of 1% (which is misleading). Moreover, why not base your optimum fat and carb intake on breast milk as well? Does that mean that you need to be on a relatively high fat-low protein-high carb diet by eating 35 g of fat, 8 g of protein, and 56 g of carb per 100 g of your macronutrients???? Haven't this doctor been promoting high carb, low fat, low protein diet??? What's going on?!?

[@ashiq85]

Here’s the facts: Animal foods are superior sources of protein. It’s not even close. No matter what metric you use (Net Protein Utilization (NPU), Protein Efficiency Ratio (PER), Protein Digestibility (PD). etc), animal protein is more complete and more bioavailable. Animal products have additional nutrients unique to animals that plants lack - but we really need to thrive. DHA, EPA, B12, D3, K2, Heme Iron, Retinol (true vitamin A) to name a few. Plant sources of protein often come with carbohydrates (beans, legumes). So you end up consuming a large amount of carbohydrate and fiber just to meet your basic needs. For most people this is too much fiber and carbohydrate. Conversely, nuts are so high in fat (calories) that you’d have to allocate your entire calorie budget to nuts to use them as a main protein source. Tofu is the only plant source of protein that kind of mimics the macro nutrient advantages of meat and eggs - mostly protein and fat, low carb. Plant sources of protein also contain anti nutrients such as oxalates, phytates and lectins. These are poisons created by plants to protect themselves. They’re designed to irritate the stomachs and guts of animals and insects that eat them. Plants don’t want to be eaten. This is their defense. So plants need to be prepared properly to reduce or remove those anti nutrients - but you can’t get them all no matter how well you prepare. People with IBS, SIBO, candida, leaky gut, Crohns, and other autoimmune diseases really need to be careful with plant foods and carbohydrates. Unfortunately, this is an ever growing segment of our population, especially among vegans. Animal products, such as meat are hypoallergenic. They contain no anti-nutrients or fiber to irritate the gut or block the absorption of minerals. They are easily and fully digestible. This is why plant matter is not considered a serious source of protein. It can help prevent overt signs of protein deficiency, but it’s not an optimal choice. Literally every culture in the world has always known this just from generations of trial and error. When you are recovering from injury or illness, when you are feeling ruin down, if you are pregnant - basically any condition that requires optimal nutrition - animal products (milk, meat, eggs, organs, etc) are always the most coveted and prized foods. And for good reason - they are superior across the board.

[@BulletJS]

one has to wonder then why high animal protein diets have repeatedly been found to be associated with higher mortality...

[@Bobo-ye7dq]

Your claim: "Animal foods are superior sources of protein. It’s not even close." Science shows plant proteins provide the same actual outcomes as animal protein: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/ Anecdotally, there are also many gold medalist/world class vegan athletes, including strength athletes, who display feats of strength that shouldn't be possible if plant proteins were really so inferior.

[@kazaakas]

So here I am on my sunny vacation, eating my oatmeal + berries + banana + nuts/seeds bowl on my balcony. And then: "fecal transplant studies suggested......"

[@doniiiix]

Gallopeermeneer What ya mean

[@sharit7970]

This is gold! Thanks for doing the research and posting!! Bottom line, there simply can be too much of a good thing.

[@stkforsale]

Thank You Dr. Greger. People keep getting it pounded in their heads that they need more protein. Its very frustrating

[@tapolna]

Proteins are made of amino acids. "Essential" amino acids for children and adults cannot be made by the body. So they must be found in food. The 9 essential amino acids in human diet are: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. Besides these breast milk also contains Taurine and cysteine, which are necessary for infants but not for older children and adults. Breast milk also contains nonessential amino acids alanine, arginine, aspartic acid, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, hydroxyproline, proline, serine and tyrosine. Besides all this breast milk composition can vary among women or vary in the same woman over time. Protein content is highest in breast milk right after birth and decreases over time. Cow's milk contains about 3x more protein than human breast milk. Human milk is the only mammalian milk with a methionine/cysteine ratio less than 1.0, a characteristic common in "vegetable proteins". Cow's milk (as well as formula milk) is also low in Taurine. There are other differences as well. Adult protein requirement depends on genetic makeup, age, sex, body composition, environmental or pathological stressors, physiological stressors. Obviously, a lactating woman needs greater amount of protein in the diet. The most important lifestyle influence that affects protein requirement is physical activity. But, things like smoking and alcohol consumption also affect protein requirement.

[@capthook1]

I love it when the most overweight, unhealthy people that take 10 different medications ask me where I get my protein from, as if they’re concerned for my well-being! 😂 I’m one of the most fit and healthy 44 year olds I know. Why? Bc I’ve been plant-based for 11 years, I’m an endurance athlete, and I’ll never look back.

[@redragna3648]

I use to be a powerlifter, not huge by any means but definitely more muscle mass than average. People would ask me the same question all the time. Come on...do I like like I am lacking protein?

[@tobisteffen]

I can feel protein deficiency for several days every time I exercise and don't take my protein shakes. It's called sore muscles and slow regeneration. How come almost everybody, who doesn't consider protein to be important, has either a low muscle mass (like Dr Greger? :)) or a high body fat percentage?

[@roboisgod]

What about protein needs for athletes?

[@loveraven6594]

ever heard of the barley men? or the warriors of ancient china, the Aztec warriors, etc? carbs for the win.

[@johnnyroe8053]

@alex carmona depends on your sport

[@prometeo_X]

+Justacherrytree yeah, and they were like 1.60m tall and weighed like 65kg.

[@akuma2892]

The exact up to date study on protein intake for athletes: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23107527

[@MrJaaaaake]

Okay so what about athletes that aren't 5'6?

[@PetersPoint]

How many grams of protein per Kg of your ideal weight per day can begin to lead to adverse effects from having too much protein?

[@coffee-fueledcritic6666]

This is the right question to be asking. Agree with your thoughts.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@grantbradleylow2473]

youd need a LOT of protein like youd probably not ever even want to have that much

[@adorable3817]

@5:07 long term high protein consumption.... Animal protein or plant protein?

[@mariaangelova8275]

This video needs a SUPER LIKE button!!!!

[@LeadfinanceCanada]

Does this apply to an active lifestyle as well as a sedentary one? Does an Athlete need more protein because of more muscle breakdown? Maybe all these studies are done on stay at home moms. I wish Dr Greger would address this.

[@johnandcatandsam]

Great info. If protein blood levels are normal but ferratin is struggling, what is the recommended approach for plant-based diets?

[@mariaangelova8275]

love this video!!!!!!!! love you Dr. Greger!!!!

[@WeCelebrateEatingPlants]

Thank you! 🥦❤

[@simpledietandfitness3569]

What about satiety and higher thermic effect aiding weight loss? A higher protein intake is positive in this sense right?

[@sofiasaxen5908]

Yes! This is the perfect video to show to my friends and relatives.

[@balderdashery1]

Sometimes when people ask where I get my protein, i tell them I eat as low protein as possible. They look at me like I have a 3rd eye.

[@loveraven6594]

exactly. no one compares the chances of developing a disease from excess protein versus getting a protein deficiency.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@80slimshadys]

@@oliverleslie7382 no we cant, there are 9 aminos humans cant make, hence we eat

[@oliverleslie7382]

@@80slimshadys Wrong, that was science from almost 100 years ago. Dr Rose. Today we have found that science to still be wrong and we have learned that we can and do in fact make our own essential amino acids. We eat for fuel - that is all any species eats for - not nutrients.

[@80slimshadys]

@@oliverleslie7382 We do eat for nutrients AND fuel. We dont produce nutrients like calcium, magnesium, vitamin C etc. If we dont eat food FOR the nutrients we die. Food without nutrients is called an empty calorie and if you were to eat nothing but empty calories like refined sugar you would die from deficiencies. Do you have any sources that prove we can make the 9 essential aminos we supposedly cant make? I watched recently a presentation by doctor Milton Mills on protein chemistry, and it was specifically stated that adults cannot make 8 of the 20 aminos (babies can make tryptophan but stop once we ween from breastmilk)

[@jamessang5027]

Current studies support 50 grams of protein for a 150 lb person for nitrogen balance, but at least 75 grams of protein to keep glutathione levels high!

[@LeilaNTris]

What about for weight lifters? My son drinks the protein shakes.

[@loveraven6594]

soy protein isolate promotes cancer growth. just eat more grains like the barley men.

[@johnnyroe8053]

if he's a vegan you probably don't have to worry about it, but excess soy protein does have a lot of leucine that increases IGF which increase cancer and acne risk among other things

[@DrSRanjanMBBSAcupuncturist]

3:10 Breast Milk contains less than 1 percent protein. Adult needs 0.8-0.9 gm protein/kg body weight. i.e. 30-40 gm protein.

[@AtEboli]

30-40 gram/day if you weigh only 100 pounds....

[@4um360]

If one is to accept the percentage of protein in human breast milk as the percentage of protein adults should consume, what about the percentage of fat in human breast milk? Is that also the suggested amount for adults? Probably not because it would go against low fat vegan beliefs. In other other words, just because specific percentages of protein and fat are adequate for a baby, one can't extrapolate that those same percentages are ideal for adults.

[@veganbanana4687]

I want to send this video to Swazy aka Unnatural Vegan

[@q..q2291]

I think she recommends 1 g of protein per kg of body weight, because plant protein's bioavailability isn't as good as animal protein. Is advising people to eat 1 g of protein per kg of body weight really such terrible advice?

[@rv601]

Her ego is way too big to accept this. "21 grams of protein for 300 calories is terrific!" According to her latest video. LOL even the Standard American Diet is lower in protein than that.

[@veganbanana4687]

Q. .Q No... that's good but for the sake of the science I meant...

[@q..q2291]

VeganBanana Oh okay ^^ forget I said anything then

[@daniels4338]

Let it be known, Unnatural Vegan is NOT a reliable source for nutrition advice.

[@dou40006]

Excellent ! The argument of human breast milk is such a blow to the protein centric culture that we have devloppedin the west and that is detrimental not only to us but to the environment as it encourages the consumption of meat .

[@KYLE-zo4bm]

do the problems of excess protein only apply to animal protein or also plant protein

[@Spock_Rogers]

I have heard some plant-based doctors caution against too many beans and too much protein from plant sources also.

[@travel.with.frances]

And yet, our medical textbook still states that it is due to protein deficiency. I feel sorry for the patients that had to be unnecessarily treated for this

[@emmamatos5416]

thanks Doc! I'm so sick of hearing about protien for health and weightloss!

[@HaydensAdventure]

Awesome! Now i have a video to show my protein deficient friends !

[@maddier6383]

Your channel is my favorite!!💜💜

[@UVHoneybee]

someone needs to send this information to dr. Now from houston tx. he recommends high protein, low carb to his weightloss patients and it drives me crazy. :( even doctors really think thats the right diet, but its literally flipped. ive lost 160lbs high carb, low fat vegan!

[@BucketlistFitRunning]

Well said good sir!

[@shinigamialessandro]

a 3kg baby should eat 550gr of milk a day, about 5,5 gr of protein , which is about 2g of protein per kg of lean mass (maybe a little more) ..... thats a lot of protein of high quality .. we need to see things in prospective ...

[@sandradedon2022]

Thank you.

[@deepecologyvegan6290]

But where do you get your Carbon from?

[@Jamiejamjar]

How interesting - as always thanks, and I just love your voice Dr. Greger!

[@WhiteKitta]

exactly right Dr Greger!

[@Divine-Love]

Thank you for the information, I've been wondering how I've been gaining weight and mass without even counting calories nor protein.

[@Scottlp2]

So according to video (Gregor), 180 lb person needs 70 grams protein per day. I've eaten vegan, and 70 grams protein from vegan food is not easy. Plus he doesn't tell you that as people get older i.e. 60s+, they tend to lose muscle mass and a little more protein is helpful for this.

[@vitaminb4869]

Scottlp2 what the hell do you eat a day? 1000 calories? Getting only 70g protein a day is next to impossible on a plant based vegan diet... You will get way more.

[@naomimay82]

Pinto beans contain 41 grams of protein in a 1 cup serving. This would be very useful information for people who don’t think a plant based diet can give them enough protein.

[@paulmaxwell8851]

The loss of muscle mass as we age is almost entirely do to a sedentary lifestyle, not lack of protein. This has been well established.

[@phatvegan1691]

Thanks doc. But who knows if we'll have our country and another two months.?

[@sammclennan3661]

What about the gains?

[@coffee-fueledcritic6666]

I'm curious if the protein source makes a difference. So, if you eat a high protein diet but you're vegan, do the differences disappear? Perhaps the difference is due to meat and not the high protein. I doubt this study could ever be done though. N too small. Any thoughts?

[@siegfriedfurtwanglerknappe6188]

There have been some studies done testing different types of protein mostly animal studies, though. There are some observational studies that suggest higher intakes of plant-protein aren't disease promoting like that of animal origin, but I don't think it's viewed as a very interesting subject. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988204/

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@oliverleslie7382]

there is so much wrong with science's understanding of proteins

[@rineric3214]

Thank you for this! I thin you will find that the protein madness peaked when it did because the US government decided that Olympic athletes in training were the ultimate in human health, so they scaled our protein needs to optimize us. Olympic athletes in training are the only humans who would need large amounts of daily protein, which is for storage against emergencies. What we need large amounts of daily is Vitamin C.

[@DiscimusUtServiamus]

If only this message was heard by the Bros at every gym.

[@PetersPoint]

Also, does the recommendation of 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein per Kg of your ideal weight per day still hold if you are doing weight lifting regularly with the goal of increasing your muscle mass (changing your physique to a more athletic/muscular build). Is that recommended amount enough to aid in increasing muscle mass?

[@bm4867]

Thank you

[@Go-zi1py]

Breast milk is the perfect food for growing babies, as babies began to crawl and then walk they develop more muscle and progress to a different diet with higher protein. Breast milk is not the ideal food for all age groups and stages of life and health of humans.

[@TiresomeDragon]

What about bodybuilders? Is it alright for someone who does an excess amount of physical activity to have a high protein diet or is it still harmful?

[@loveraven6594]

think of the barley men, Aztec warrriors, ancient Chinese warriors, etc. they thrived and won off grains and starch. I don't think body builders are a special breed that need to consume cancer causing meats, dairy, and soy protein isolate to perform.

[@Ivana-xc1tk]

Go Dr. Greger! Thank you so much for your fantastic videos!

[@jennoscura2381]

keep in mind that fiber inhibits protein absorption. That's why vegan RD Jack Norris recommends 1 to 1.1 grams of protein per kg of healthy bodyweight for vegans. For vegetarian athletes it's 1.3 to 1.8. But even at those levels it's not the ridiculous amounts some recommend.

[@TWINTURBOOWNS]

I found when working out or after an injury, I need a lot more protein to recover. It takes for ever to recover on low protein.

[@oliverleslie7382]

Humans make their own proteins - this Dr misses this quite crucial fact- and apparently everyone misses it as well. Humans, like all other species (plants, animals, bacteria etc.) can also make their own proteins and amino acids. We are not any different.

[@user-bh1oy8kj5q]

@@oliverleslie7382 Go away

[@harshedkothari6893]

At time marker 3.43, referring to table 1; Dr Gregor said human breast milk has less than 1% protein by weight instead of 8.5 +/- 0.9

[@medardoanibal]

8.5 g/L corresponds to less than 1%

[@jefflebowski918]

Protein is made up of amino acids, are they bad too in high amounts?

[@purpleduckhemp]

Lol protein advice from someone that looks like he is dead. Gollum was his great great grandfather 😂

[@seanschweska856]

A Emt here you just made me want to be a doctor dins watching you videos all day

[@michaeldavis1291]

Why babies don't need as much protein as kids and adults is a separate question. That doesn't disprove that every other age group does require a sufficient and higher percentage of protein. Also, he mentions 0.8 - 0.9 per Kg that amount is specifically for sedentary adults, not for active adults who work out. For active adults it is actually much higher in the 1.8 - 2.2 range . Do your homework.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Babies need a large amount of calories. If breast fed, their protein intake is actually high.

[@naomimay82]

1 cup of pinto beans contains 41 grams of protein……………. Just putting this comment here for those wondering how someone eating plant based gets protein. Plants contain protein and some of them contain it in abundance.

[@natuurlijkwasbaar6563]

The thing i don't understand is him saving we need 3 cups (or 3x90 grams) beans a Day...but they contain way meer protein for me a Day then the 0.8 gram a kilo....

[@echy5]

you showed us how to caculate our protein. can you show use how to calculate our fats and carbs? also, can you show how to calculate how those numbers calculated for our food, need to increase/decrease. depending on how much you exercise (depending on cardio, or weightlifting) I have knowledge of this, but I am starting to doubt the bodybuilding industy. all my knowledge, I feel, might come from google websites that were design to look like they know what they are talking about, also, bodybuilders that think they know what they are talking about. I wish I can do my own research but don't understand the sufidticated vocabulary that pubmed and studies provide, also I don't know how to read the graphs. also... since the food industry is corrupt like everything else, how will I know that food labels provide the required measurements that are listed on food labels(like vitamin d and b 12 gummies,basically comes back to more research is needed. anyways. my questions might not get anwsered. and my only options is to ask around or become a scientifist in PhD to perform my own reasearch. which will take lik 8 years. Anways, I have to approximate I guess.

[@stephrodrguez]

I didn't understand anything, can someone please explain what he says

[@CoolMoney4U]

The health community has made mistakes in the past by telling us the wrong information about how much protein we need to eat. Now, with better information and research, we know that we need (as an adult) about 0.8-0.9 grams of protein per kilogram of our healthy body weight. If your healthy weight is 100 pounds (just an example), you need 40 grams of protein per day. If your healthy weight is 200 pounds, you need 80 grams of protein per day.

[@michaelmackey754]

Great video! Thanks!

[@kgs3208]

Awesome info, thanks!

[@doondijoseph4692]

Thank you sir for the information

[@wupeide]

Very interesting video.

[@ImNoclue]

This video misquotes the work of J. C. Waterlow, stating "there is no real evidence of dietary protein deficiency" when a simple reading of the abstract will show that he was merely restating some of the criticism out there, that he goes on to disagree with. The full quote is, "This theory has been contested from several points of view: that hypoalbuminaemia is not the major factor determining the presence of oedema, and that there is no real evidence of dietary protein deficiency. The resolution of this question is of some importance from the point of view of public health diagnosis and prevention." A couple lines later in the abstract, he contends that the classical theory of protein deficiency in Kwashiorkor is essentially correct. I mean, you can read the abstract below for yourself pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6485050/

[@JudiintheKitchen]

Thank you for this video! You answered a specific question I had about kwashiorkor.

[@joelpahlman5757]

Nice job man

[@notrappaport5340]

I blame Annette Funicello.

[@OliverCharles]

Worth remembering that we're being given an average goal from this (as explicitly stated in the video) - your needs may change, and it's worth experimenting with. I'm personally aiming for around 1.5g/kg, as someone who does at least 10 hours cycling a week, at least 3 hours of which are very high intensity. I think 0.6g/kg is too low given the amount of muscle regeneration I believe I need, and this amount I reach fairly naturally without explicitly searching for protein (vegetarian, not vegan diet) - occasionally needing to supplement with 20g at most if I haven't done a good job planning the days food.

[@nathancasey7712]

For sure you need more if you are an athlete

[@glauciaalbertoni5879]

thank you very much, very important considerations about protein

[@Intuitionisfree]

Thank god for Dr. Greger

[@JamesMunroRA]

question your math on protein required seems off, my ideal weight is 80kg(176lbs) therefore 80*.9= 72g protein per day, love the series btw

[@Zhalfrin]

Its a shame that as you show the darker side of science (as I have learned about in uni when studying about science and the scientific process) a lot of people will probably become overly conspiratorial and begin to distrust science.

[@froggleggers1805]

Its a shame? As one who has seen it first hand in college research departments its the damn truth. Conspiracies happen all the time. Conflicts of interests are very common. Follow the money. Your best example of it these days is so called climate change, its a HUGE gravy train for lots of scientists and people in the "green" industry. Its a racket......

[@casualjoe2]

I followed the money and ended up at Exxon Mobil HQ

[@alisonc4669]

I've seen the darker side of academic research too. Mostly everything is a conspiracy....

[@matwick53]

Nice one.

[@christinam6663]

"So called" climate change? Sigh, why do so many people buy into pseudo-science and bullshit conspiracies.

[@SR-oc7fc]

I'm curious if the composition of human breast milk has changed over the decades, centuries, and millennia. Since most mothers now are eating a meat-based, processed-food diet, and being forced to take large, super-dose (and now controversial) prenatal vitamins, doesn't it stand to reason that milk tested is different than what is ideal for human development and is instead adapted to what the mother's body has on hand?

[@jeffk464]

I've yet to see an infant that can bench press 300 pounds.

[@SR-oc7fc]

I never said it changed in just 100 years, but did use current examples to cite how much we've manipulated our bodies. My point is, if Dr. Gregor is comparing current human breast milk protein levels to human needs today, based on what mothers consume, perhaps it's not actually the ideal composition for babies. Perhaps ten of thousands of years ago when we actually were eating a plant-based diet, breast milk actually had a significantly higher protein level. We don't know. It wouldn't surprise me since herbivores tend to have breast milk with higher protein.

[@Agalliasis1]

What about protein intake for muscle gain (bodybuilding)? Is 2 grams/kg excess?

[@super_ted_7371]

with one pound of muscle containing only 100 g of protein , say you eat 3000 Cal's a day of vegan food!!you need only 2.5 % of Calories from protein minimum, the professionals rounded it up to 5% so that's 150 calories or 37.5g of protein....so to gain a lb of muscle a week you would need an extra 14g a day , so 51g in total..I eat a whole food plant based diet , about 2500 calories a day and get about 60-80g daily without even trying , sometimes it can be as high as 90g....so it's not necessary to make an effort to get protein , I don't even eat that many beans and lentils .. :)

[@super_ted_7371]

+Sarah Marshall to answer your question , yes it's excessive.....

[@Zhalfrin]

+Agalliasis1 Just follow the mainstream recommendations. E.g. The Australian Sports government website has an article on protein, and recommends beginners who undergo resistance training to aim for 1.5-1.7g/kg/day. That's doable. 2 grams/kg isn't that far off, and might give you some boosted gains (as long as it doesn't offset carbs by too much).

[@coffee-fueledcritic6666]

Thank you for posting this article. More people need to see it.

[@loveraven6594]

it's not the protein that causes you to gain muscle. eating a lot of high protein foods, like meat, dairy, eggs, soy, etc. raises igf-1 which promotes growth. ALL the extra protein that the bod body doesn't need has to be flushed out by the kidneys.

[@BIGBOSSTEDDY]

What about body builder or people who want to build muscle. how do you grow outside of exercise

[@BlueSkies360]

so what is the correct amount?

[@thundersh0ck]

It is relative to every individual. That's why all bodybuilders are going bonkers on comments for this video. So more sedentary lifestyle will need less protein. Just get a blood test and find the sweet spot for your needs.

[@yogiyoda]

Blood test?

[@coffee-fueledcritic6666]

I don't know of any blood tests that will tell you how much protein to eat.

[@heartminer5487]

Interesting question: Why is primate milk so diluted compared to other mammals?

[@calvinburr1248]

I hear lots of people making claims that they run out of energy if they don't eat enough protein, and they carry protein bars with them to avoid fatigue....that never really made sense to me, but the number of people who swear by that is large. As far as an athlete's need for protein, the claims made seem way too high. One thing to keep in mind with athletes is that even those who are doing extreme workouts for maximum gains in muscle, they can only add about a thimble full of muscle per day on their entire bodies. That is not very much protein, because most of that added muscle is water. The idea seems to be, that if you don't have very high levels of amino acids from food in your blood 24/7, then you will not be able to achieve maximum gains in the shortest time. Of course, performance enhancing drugs can dramatically increase the protein utilized for building tissue and that would increase the body's need for protein. In either case, it seems unhealthful, or even dangerous, long term.

[@broccool2300]

I guess 80/10/10 is wrong. It should be 89/10/1 ha ha ha

[@FathomlessJoy]

The founder of 80/10/10 has always said that 10/10 is max, not averages or minimums. Actual levels are more like 5-8. What is crucial is that we do not go over the 10/10, which indicates something is unnatural and thus potentially very unhealthy about what we are eating. Coincidentally this is exactly what Dr. Campbell found in the China Study, that levels of protein above 10^% caused cancer to grow, when the levels were decreased under 10%, the cancer stopped growing.

[@JannesonMultiMediaEditor]

Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation. It could just be the types of proteins they're eating. Animal proteins for example are far more saturated in chemicals, hormones and other unnecessary shit. I mean I'm sorry but I'm not about to cut back on broccoli, avacodo, and black beans because some study says the proteins in them MIGHT cause cancer. Lulz. I need more well rounded research.

[@rayarjomand6533]

If (according to Basic Macrobiotics) 1% protein by weight is 5% protein by calories, then 10% protein by calories is 2% by weight. Cow's milk has 3.4% protein by weight (6.8% by calories). And still human milk has one of the lowest % proteins (if not the lowest by weight or calories it makes no difference because it's proportional) of all animals (even herbivores & dumber primates such as chimp and guerilla). And our brain grows fastest during the first year of life while only drinking breast milk.

[@goku445]

Well, the comparison with baby's milk is a bit misleading because babies drink A LOT of it. They get about 1.4g of protein per Kg of body mass. They double in weight in 6 months with just that.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Or you know just eat whatever you want cause avocados and nuts are great

[@AtEboli]

That's still 70-90 g of protein per day for the average adult male. I'm an advocate in WFPB diets, but I wonder how many beans, grains, nuts, etc. you have to eat per day to reach that level of protein intake....

[@heleen313]

If you eat in accordance with the Daily Dozen you get there. I calculated it once and it was plenty. Especially because of the beans.

[@Oxim-fz3so]

can you make chocolate healthy please