The Grim Troopers: The Mechas of Sonic Prime

[@genericfriend2568]

Furnace being mentioned definitely fired up the neurons in a dead shift, despite being from a creepypasta, Furnace and his Eggman, Starved, are really solid designs, with a strong favorite being Furnace for how much he looks like an old heater on legs

[@CrustiiDustii]

THAT SHIT TOOK ME OUT

[@galanga21890]

i was drawing similar parallels when he showed screenshots of the grim robot army, but him actually mentioning Furnace caught me completely off guard lol

[@theepic1944]

Starved originated from FNF.

[@emilllyyyyy_]

I agree, I know Sonic creepypastas generally have a bad reputation thanks to the original Sonic.exe, but I'm personally a fan of them, and Furnace is easily one of my favourite designs to come from the creepypasta side of the Sonic community

[@glowdonk]

@@theepic1944 His very existence was conceived for FNF, Furnace was a different character that was most likely gonna be just him and not him and Starved

[@konstantinszelcs2766]

8:58 Not gonna lie, this scene, and Grim Big in general, broke me during my first watch through of season 3. Like, fits of crazed laughter. Because, why even with THAT?

[@delaware5407]

Something interesting is how Nine tells Mr. Dr. Eggman he loses because he doesn't understand Sonic, yet he is the one who makes his Sonic robot a silente killer.

[@delaware5407]

Silent*

[@tk32502]

Dr Deep: robotic chaos sonic's the nerf he stolen are idea

[@kendraroth1276]

No, he didn’t. You misunderstood Nine’s intentions with both Sonic and The Alpha Grim Sonic. Nine wants to be Sonic and he wanted the actual Sonic to be TAILS but when Sonic rejected the Grim, Nine began projecting himself onto Sonic and as time went on, He really convinced himself that he was Sonic. (Nine was mentally unstable) When he made the Robots, Alpha Grim Sonic might look like Sonic but supposed to represent Tails, who said and I quote “As Long As I’m around, you’ll always have a wingman” and Sonic did speak like Tails would always come around to his way and support him no matter what. “Just like the real tails would”.

[@delaware5407]

WTF No, where did you get any of that from? He literally made the alphas to replace his friends.@@kendraroth1276

[@mazkeraid4039]

@@kendraroth1276 What does that tell you.

[@NightFuryLover31]

The Grim Big reveal was my favorite moment of the show! It was fantastic! Both terrifying and hilarious!

[@erikbihari3625]

What would you say if I told, what he's based on? Have a strong hunch it's Omega Supreme from transformers!

[@Schnort]

@erikbihari3625 i think it might be big the cat from sonic, just a hunch though

[@erikbihari3625]

@@Schnort. You don't understand me.

[@casecyrus2500]

No its just a giant robot garfield

[@erikbihari3625]

@@casecyrus2500. Seen that respirator on his chin, looks just like Omega Supreme from transformers! Seriously.

[@thecobaltblade9-oq2yt]

Ya know, the battle with the Grims is conceptually just a recolor of the final battle in Sonic Forces

[@franknova987]

Except you actually see the fight rather than suffer from a weird classic sonic platforming stage....

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

...I hate how your right. A least nine went out of his way to get his hands dirty rather than infinite just targeting one hedgehog he _never_ beats

[@AverageIdoit]

2:22 Furnace jumpscare

[@SaddieMoon]

2:22 I’ve seen most people just call him Furnace. But knowing that some people believes Fleetway is the name of Fleeway Super Sonic, the name you said is probably correct for all I know.

[@Folklore-ei8lp]

His name is Furnace

[@somemadnessfan4763]

hello EXE fan here to clarify that both names are correct "Furnace" is just a nickname and Furnace Mecha is it's real name

[@ThatBrokenToxinGuy]

he's called furnace instead of furnace mecha sonic same way mecha sonic is just mecha, to shorten the long name and not to get confused between the two

[@callumsparrow4379]

Technically there is a Mecha/ Metal Big before Prime, but only as a glitch in Sonic Adventure. If you make it to the Last Story without a Memory Unit/ Memory Card, Big’s textures will incorrectly load to where he looks like a demonic robot made from scrap parts.

[@Xx_Aberforth_xX]

My brain lit up when he mentioned furnace lol

[@zdark6382]

Was that pun intended

[@Xx_Aberforth_xX]

@@zdark6382 no didn't even catch that lol

[@agentomecha634]

I do think the Grim robots all have cool designs. But I feel like they began to overstay their welcome real quick.

[@knowingjordankid]

The Grim robots in Sonic Prime were really cool and they had a great introduction in Season 3 of Sonic Prime. Grim Sonic was my favorite alpha and he is definitely a powerful robot, and he even took out Shadow which is crazy. So, overall I LOVE the grim alphas so much and these robots are definitely very intelligent. Great video Game Apologist!

[@cody2819]

My two disappointments with these guys are, Grim Sonic didn't hijacked Nine, and...Grim Amy. Rusty spoke to her about the Flicky powering her, and how she didn't need it because of her own self. Grim Amy actually seemed to show emotion, smiling, as the Flicky flew off. Does this imply the Grims can think on their own and could possibly had turned on Nine? We'll never know, but I utterly hate when moments like this are utterly wasted. But I do like the Grims. Wished one was an upgraded Chaos Sonic though...

[@tk32502]

really wish rustys birdie from New yoke meets thorns birdie from boss cage maze

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

why would Grimm Sonic hijack Nine? he's an emotionless automaton by design specifically because Nine thought Sonic betrayed him.

[@cody2819]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Because of how often Metal Sonic betrayed Eggman to overcome the real Sonic. It would've been a better redemption for Nine than what we got.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

@@cody2819 as it stands a grand total of one time. Then Metal eventually got reprogrammed into be fanatically loyal to Eggman and he's never betrayed him again.

[@flareon9415]

Pause?????

[@SmashProX]

Actually not the first robot of Rouge, a Sonic X comic had a robot duplicate of her that was meant to frame her.

[@AshuraGoneReal29]

I definitely wasn't expecting to see Furnace but it's nice to see him getting recognized outside of the creepypasta scene

[@ScottPillgram20]

As disinterested in Prime as I am, I do really like the concepts behind Nine and the Grim bots. The designs are some of the best in Prime, it's cool seeing robot doppelgangers of characters I've never really even seen fans consider like Big and Rouge, and I like the idea behind the creation of the Grim bots... I don't think I'd wanna watch a season's worth of nothing but them clashing with the heroes over and over again, but hey, at least it gives me some fun ideas for fan stories lol.

[@SonicEXEProductions]

“Metal shadow doesn’t exist” Shadow Androids: “am I a joke to you?”

[@Ssjvaca]

Furnace mention, wonder how confused you got when you searched up in images and found a bunch of arrows.

[@Wishiwashi_64]

2:24 Furnace is mentioned up. Me: Well, this will cause people to start talking about FNF prey…

[@Wishiwashi_64]

3:49 “A metal Shadow doesn’t exist anywhere” Shadow is already technically a robot. The closest thing to Metal Shadow is Shadow’s other clones.

[@ChipFanXO]

I want to die every time I hear about that game

[@Wishiwashi_64]

@@ChipFanXO I wan’t to die every time I hear you dumb haters rant.

[@Wishiwashi_64]

@@ChipFanXO THE AGE OF BAD FNF MODS ARE DEAD, GET OVER IT! Not my fault KZbin- the company with the worst algorithm- said the best FNF mod was a mod with freaking Huggy Wuggy and Blue, like come on! There are more mods than just freaking Vs. Sonic EXE! Any ways, want to talk about the new possible Team Fortress game?

[@ChipFanXO]

@@Wishiwashi_64 no it’s just that the fanbase is filled with pedos

[@AverageFreak13]

Only real ones remember grim with ads

[@Schnort]

So true

[@ArcadeF0x]

We do have a metal/mecha shadow, in Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, and the IDW comics we get to see the Shadow Androids, which the designs are different between versions, but they are all robot copies of Shadow. the IDW and Heroes versions look more like how Metal copies of other characters.

[@Twigs_20]

“Oh wow the concepts look great! They kinda remind me of Furnace, too bad he’ll never be mentioned in these videos” 2:22

[@Sonikku_Za_Hejjihoggu_1991]

grim with ads

[@spunnguss]

2:25 prey jumpscare

[@Ssjvaca]

Are you prey?

[@John-mp4qc]

Are you predator

[@ChipFanXO]

No

[@Bofrab]

Considering Sega’s weirdness with added new Sonic robot variants in the past, I’m happy we have these. Even if they are just generic fodder for a big battle, they still look like care was put into their designs.

[@Coolvideosonmychannel]

2:23 what is he doing here😭😭

[@Bofrab]

2:08 The colors on the right image also give me vibes of Shard. The black and gold look real nice on that bot.

[@chaphidoesstuff]

Cool that the va for prime voiced the mario brothers in one of those old flash animations

[@gabopr1365]

Mecha March on my Birthday?! HELL YES!!!

[@oby547]

Happy birthday 🎉 Sorry I am 6 days late 😅

[@swindleLemon5523]

I was watching this while making food and my dad laughed in the background at the boeing air lines joke lol

[@CDJAM-webm]

2:27 PREY?

[@some_tiny_dragon7411]

The heavier metal look made me think even more of the Metal Sonic armor set in Spiral Knights. It's probably the proportions that make me think of that set.

[@LucinaTheGhost]

2:27 Man this design makes me starve.. idk why tho

[@sandconsumer7236]

!!!!!! FURNACE MENTIONED !!!!!!

[@chaosgetsuga6114]

The Grim Alphas and Troopers make me think of the fourth boss in the Gargoyles game on Genesis, the Steel Clan robots, led by the Crimson Clan unit; obviously functioning differently than in the show. A lead robot commanding mass-production units and being colored differently is obviously a pretty common concept, but Gargoyles was my introduction to it and I always enjoy callbacks. 😛

[@jeremy1860]

I agree with your remarks about the art. As good as the 3D versions look, there's just something about the 2D concept stuff that's just (chef's kiss) to me 😊

[@BlackFlash09]

In the Archie Sonic X Comics, Eggman did create a robotic copy of Rouge to frame our favorite bat girl. I think it was Sonic who named it Rogue Rouge.

[@Toxicfish321]

Absolutely loved Grim Big 🥰

[@erikbihari3625]

Two words:-"Omega Supreme"!

[@crcoghill]

I kind of like that Chaos Sonic was just as, if not bumped up, cocky and obnoxious as the normal Sonic. I mean: it was created by ego maniacs who thought highly of themselves, creating a robot to spite Sonic and only knew his louder personality and speed than anything else. If anything, Nine got it right.

[@JF_Yeah]

2:27 FURNACE!? FROM VS. SONIC.EXE!?

[@AverageIdoit]

No. He's from the starved Eggman creepypasta

[@MMaker156]

It's a joke

[@AverageIdoit]

@@MMaker156 I know

[@johferson09]

​@@AverageIdoitain't the Starved creepypasta made just for that one FNF mod?

[@cyberprime9355]

The Grimions.....left so much to be desired. Sure, they were made to sell toys and in some cases, showcase ideas the series never dared to before for whatever reason. I would've reinvented the Grim units and the mass produced models into something similar to DC's Brainiac and the "Beta" units. The Grim units made in gold, black and red are still the alphas, the multicolored variants can be considered the beta units, mass produced to carry out the directives of the alphas. As for Grim Big and Froggy....I would treat them in a similar fashion to the Titans of the Transformers. In which while not invoked often, their presence would mean the matter has gotten real, potentially bigger than what most could handle. So powerful they would be that it would make most think that retreat and regrouping or simply just giving up is the best way to go. The alphas would retain their designs, but the variants would have to be redesigned in order to have a succinct distinction.

[@NeoXNeo2007]

So when a video on Furnace Metal Sonic.

[@somemadnessfan4763]

probably when he covers fan-robots if so then MAN i'd love to see Metallix

[@GambeTama]

0:57 After watching a bunch of your retrospective vids, I had joked to myself before starting this one thinking "I wonder which female character is Sally Acorn this time?" Apparently we've run out of Sonic characters already and have started looking elsewhere, eh? XD

[@John2011the3rd]

Man RIP chaos sonic, dude forever gone, permanently.

[@BlueJack222]

3:48 That's why I refer to the robot as the Alpha Grim instead of Grim Sonic because it seems like the robot was very ambiguous on which Hedgehog it was based off of robot not only that it seems Shadow had beef with that particular robot

[@gdeproductions1225]

to be fair, shadow has beef with pretty much everybody

[@redspartan0614]

FURNACE MENTIONED

[@SqueakerBunny]

I really loved the Alpha Grim Birdie. Specially the fact that it keeps the damaged eye all the way through the season. Every time I saw the Grim Birdies flying after Sonic, I caught myself looking for the damaged one. I wish the other Alphas had more distinct details like that outside of just the colors.

[@SoranotRoxas]

*Bro really has to have atleast one Sally surrogate* 😂

[@shroomer8294]

I kinda wish the alphas were given an actual personality like chaos Sonic. It would've connected better to the theme of building better friends. It feels a little unbelievable that Nine just expected to chill with a bunch of silent robots forever.

[@thelonleygengar]

I personally like them both Chaos sounds like if someone who barely has seen sonic made sonic, and guess what, that's what he is Grim reminds me of those shadic but not enough where it seems like annoying Grim knuckles has cool hair and gloves Grim Amy looks amazing and it's little birdie with the laser mouth is so cool Grim rouge looks amazing Grim big looks actually scary with all his little Froggy's And I'm pretty sure unless I'm wrong, that's not even he alpha big Also grim sonics figure does look cool

[@The9thagent]

YOOO FURNACE MENTIONED

[@the4bestgame]

I don't think its fair to say that Tails overlooked his own vairnets, he speificly targeted them and thought they where dead. I think another reason he didn't make a grim tales is because he seemed distinctly uncomfortable with his other versions.

[@samueltrusik3251]

I love all of these. I still think this show is great, it was a bit too simple and childish, but hey, it can still improve in the future.

[@goddessdeedeebubblesofimag7789]

The "Grim. Troopers." ....... .................. *inhale* _Shadows dream of endless fire,_ _Flames devour and embers swoop,_ _One will light the Nightmare Lantern,_ _Call and serve in Grimm's dread Troupe._ Sorry I had to

[@DerrickWillingham-b6h]

3:48 “there aren’t any metal shadows” Shows image of the shadow androids

[@tracyndiyob162]

cool didn't know crash bandicoot/spyro's revivals artist worked on the grim troopers.(wish we had gotten that chaos sonic design.) technically there was a robot big in the short circuits for world collide.(where the 1st thing it did was fish to dr. eggman/wily's chagrin.:3)

[@neuronoc.7343]

They should've had Brian Drummond reprising his Jetstorm voice for Alpha Grim Sonic.

[@Rman94]

Sonic Prime: Shatter Verse comics?

[@oby547]

Yeah I wish....😔

[@Bezaliel13]

1:35 Not really seeing the heels there.

[@chuckpatterson7006]

dude, i’m so psyched to hear you give SMBZ a shoutout, surely do a video on it, they were my absolute fave flash videos when i was younger, i remember constantly checking back waiting for the new episodes, which got progressively better with every release. i think i watched about 9 episodes, i’m super curious about the behind the scenes history and would love to hear your opinions and whether or not there was any form of continuation, fan made or otherwise, hope you make a video on this one day.

[@hahafuni1183]

Ah, time to chill out to another game apologist video. *Wait, do i smell. Smoke?*

[@somemadnessfan4763]

TARGET SPOTTED

[@johferson09]

*spits bars*

[@arvinrufo7061]

At 7:27, you described The Grim as a Shatterverse. The Shatterverse refers to The Void and the Shatterspaces (the alternate worlds). The Grim is one of the SHATTERSPACES.

[@Super_Idiot_official]

When I saw chaos sonic I was thinking it was metal sonic and when I saw chaos sonic I literally threw my chair

[@mistersp3753]

9:15 Does Zombot Big not count, because that was also quite memorable.

[@pablomenendez2319]

Probably not. Also, given his comment regarding Rouge Woman from the Mega Man crossover, I'd suspect Big Man from the Short Circuits gag strip doesn't count either.

[@lololordjr]

Woo (un)unlisted

[@nitrostormskystriker478]

They massacred my boy Chaos

[@Sonic-VA-]

I'm paying attention to you while also noting the speed of the processors, the moisture in the air, these 37 YT notifications from my subscribers, the first 18 seasons of The Grims, the animated series, that robots will rule the world and become the grim, and that bug right there.

[@sophiaisstillagoodunit6626]

The grim big honestly reminded me the robot giant man from a animated marvel movie i remember seeing when i was younger, even shares the fact that both shoot out mini versions of another chara, the other being robot wasp

[@mousetoons22]

I just got figures of chaos sonic and grim sonic I love them

[@olsendesravines5657]

How did I just miss the entirety of Mecha March Madness?

[@lala-jd6em]

I liked sonic prime. I think it could have been better if they took it more seriously and weren’t afraid to be darker. I loved the designs and the action.

[@endosaurus1404]

Great video as usual, however... Nick at 0:58 ✋😅🤚

[@sploingle]

I was not expecting furnace to be mentioned

[@JayAndSonicYT]

THE GRIMBOTS RULE

[@erikbihari3625]

Indeed!

[@sonicthehedge6418]

I think we all know who's on top. I mean I'm literally like regular sonic but with twice the charm and none of the failure.

[@33pandagamer]

I wish Sega would actually do something with all those Shadow Androids

[@dylnish2791]

Actually, Metal Shadows do exist, they're just not cannon. in the multi-player mode from shadow the hedgehog, there are 4 silvery robot shadows with one of two weapons (a machine gun or a rocket launcher) and stripes with distinct color differences (blue, pink, orange, and green).

[@ksomiak8623]

2:05 I NEED A LINK

[@sonicspeedstersyt2765]

can you do furnace ( the metal sonic)

[@henryparker8980]

He forgot about the shadow androids that were in the IDW comics when he said that the grim sonic looked like a metal shadow

[@bathilra5364]

4:58 also is a robot master

[@heroicgangster9981]

I NEEEEEEEEEEEED Chaos Sonic to be canon in some way or other character form because he was cute and cool. I don't care that Sonic Prime is un-canon in retrospect of the show being made the way it was (a normal external-media show that wasn't concerned about mainline canon) because Chaos Sonic is so fun.

[@Superstarzs2000]

Sonic Prime is Canon

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

Sonic Prime is canon to the games and the show is getting an IDW Comics Adaptation which is also canon. so your wish is granted

[@heroicgangster9981]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 I really hope the IDW version of Sonic Prime establishes better pacing for the story. I hope MORE STUFF other than battles happen in that version ^O^

[@toonman5099]

I mean as far as there not being a Metal Shadow, I'm still in the camp that Omega is meant to be our Metal Shadow, at the very least "functionally" in the sense of "being a robot made to combat Shadow."

[@Richforce1]

Probably not enough time this year but idea for next year's Mecha March Madness, Archie's auto-automatons (that was a word I just typed). Not much design wise to write home about, they look just like the originals to trick the Freedom Fighters, but the two stories they were featured in set up a lot later down the line. The Princess Sally miniseries set a lot of future conflict in the mainline between the Blue Blur and Geoffrey St. John (even more if Penders morally dubious idea ever made it to print) and the prelude to the Tails miniseries had set up a lot of emotional drama for him with the vixen who was retconned into being the original. As much as the bot themselves ended up being one and done, their stories echoed far into the series until the reboot.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, I see, fair and valid points and opinions, i wonder what could’ve been done to make Prime more acceptable? Anyway, i will look forward to see what you cover next.

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

There is paradoxical things with a lack of a Grim Tails. Want he seek to take that place, he has a superiority (or inferiority not sure) complex, he only trust in himself but at the same time he hate himself to be specific his old self,he is the only one who was swashed in anger and self pity while each of his counterpart are seen much more optimistic, confident and happy(something he can't understand, why weaker versión of himself atained thing he fail to over and over) And a robot copy of himself don't serve any propource(from his view), his main asset is his intelligence(he is al rounded in all else thats covered for the other grim dupes) and don't want the Grim to think or develop a personality for fear they replaced it.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

Grim Sonic is as tough as metal

[@esteban8471]

Say what you will about Sonic Prime, but those designs were cool.

[@tk32502]

renegade knucks: thanks dr deep: it was easy I was fighting your robotic double awfully the weakest of a lot renegade knucks: atleast I have a double

[@jameswallace8898]

11:10 I am a kid, sonic prime is good, and and in terms of sonic shows, this is probably the best one.

[@robertlupa8273]

what other shows did you watch?

[@Caselestial]

i think the only versions of a metal shadow we've had was the concept art, the zombot shadow, and ironically enough, Shadow Man from the capcom worlds collide comic in archie

[@GameApologist]

Hang on is there concept art out there I’m not aware of? Or are you referring to the Tracey Yardley art?

[@Caselestial]

@GameApologist yea the one by Tracy, ironically enough the only times it's shown up proper its been the androids, or a roboticized (or adjacent) Shadow

[@mayowaakinola5140]

So will you finally be talking about THE robot Sonic this year? If so, I can't wait!

[@Gaia_BentosZX5]

So how did Game Apologist track down the rest of the Grim Trooper's concept art?

[@dubhog]

GRIM TROOPERS? LIKE THE GRIMM TROOP???? HOLY SHIT HOLLOW KNIGHT REFERENCE

[@thesupershinymegagengar2034]

I wish there were toys of these guys.

[@anonbefallen4807]

I was fine with these robots until Shadic was mentioned. Somethings are best left forgotten...

[@somemadnessfan4763]

isn't Sonadow the ship name and Shadic the name of the fusion from Nazo Unleashed?

[@anonbefallen4807]

@somemadnessfan4763 Oh, the fusion is what I'm saying needs to be forgotten.

[@somemadnessfan4763]

@@anonbefallen4807 damn

[@holmat1]

What’s the name of the song used in 6:00? I could’ve sworn I heard it in sonic forces, but I can’t find it.

[@holmat1]

Found it! Sonic 4 Episode 2 vs. Metal Sonic

[@KenMantheUltimate]

I think if a Metal Shadow existed it would waste its time fighting Metal Sonic to prove which was the better robotic Hedgehog.

[@MegasparkX5]

To me, I felt like the Grim troopers are far too superior to be even Tails Nine’s henchmen. In fact, they could’ve been the modern version of the brotherhood of the metallix from Fleetway.

[@Nixet99-ic2mn]

Can someone please tell me the name of the song at 6:52

[@SonicSpeedBoostYT]

Where did you find the Concept art

[@Themouseisstrong]

3:51 there is a metal shadow in sonic speed simulator on roblox with dpse count as a shadow becuse it is shadow