The Grisly Journey of The Donner Party • Puppet History

Now this is a story all about how a bunch of people ate each other in the mountains.
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[@_HuffleProud_]

The Professor saying “hoes” is unreasonably funny

[@darkchocolate5494]

underrated comment

[@CTCxSIS]

it's even better if you have captions on.

[@harleighbug]

alaskan bull worm when❔🥺

[@_HuffleProud_]

Harleigh F around 8:32 :)

[@catherinemariecannockcoell146]

omfg i was just about to comment this

[@Zlixlriffs]

My therapist: Genie Shane doesn’t exist Genie Shane:

[@TheRainyKingdom]

I'M SCARED I"M SCARED I"M SCARED I'M SCARED

[@xenophiliuslovegood6914]

Scrolling through comments at the beginning of the video like WHAT?

[@peytonlopez5291]

Thats shane?!

[@Alex-rw9nn]

He actually kinda looks like Klaus from the umbrella academy

[@allisonionsoup]

Briza Schuler that’s what i thought too 💀💀

[@friendlysleepparalysisdemon]

Sometimes I forget that the stories of the Oregon Trail are sometimes real and not a musical on acid

[@phonoix]

The best musical on acid!

[@bea-like-beaver]

History class didn’t teach me, so puppets and crackheads will have to do. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@samanthageraldine7546]

what musical?

[@heide9652]

lol i was looking for someone to mention tto

[@computer_juice]

Every time he mentioned independence my brain went "you're in independence"

[@antichrist4449]

Everyone in this story is morally grey exept for the friend who warned them and the native dudes who just were vibing UNTIL THE CANNIBALISM STARTED

[@angel-hu3bp]

exactly, the poor native dudes 😭

[@antichrist4449]

@@angel-hu3bp THEY WERE JUST BEING HELPFUL AND GOT EATEN LIKE DAMN

[@angel-hu3bp]

@@antichrist4449 LIKE DAMN- they were so willing to help until people started EATING EACH OTHER. and they decide to kill them and eat them 🙄🤞🏼 disrespectful asf

[@angel-hu3bp]

@@antichrist4449 also i love your username and pfp 👀

[@bricewormington1436]

I am apart of the Miwok tribe. Good to know my vibes are good.

[@FritoBanditoify]

Yo, shoutout to these Miwok natives. 1) They stuck with them for quite a while and through a lot of their shit even though they owed nothing to them 2) They knew when to split aka the line is drawn at cannibalism

[@Svgarcanna]

But they ended up finding and eating them anyway 😔

[@chromberries7329]

Yeah. I wonder what natives even got for helping travelers back then.

[@notmbr]

probs believed the wendigo legend then said peace out

[@ToscaTee]

Wendigo’s pretty spot on in this case lol

[@johnmcinturff3730]

@@notmbr Considering the people who turned to cannibalism also ended up as horrible murderers, the legends were pretty much true.

[@fancydeer]

so the daughters who ate their dead father, that was one thing. dude died and was like "hey you're my kids, I don't want you to starve. this is the last thing I can do for you." but those freaks out in the mountains just started killing their friends left and right and were like "we had no other choice".

[@stephanieclark1487]

That one made a lot more sense than the others.

[@FIRING_BLIND]

They seriously thought the reason people has already died was due to starvation. So yeah, in their mind, they had no choice.

[@crazykenna]

@@FIRING_BLIND Yeah, but a lot of people were dying from the cold, not hunger. Like, the guy who stripped his clothes off and ran into the wilderness? That's a hypothermia reaction.

[@engf223]

Actually the only people that there are evidence of murder for were the two indigenous Americans, Salvador and Luis, who were already near death when they were killed, (which doesn’t discount the fact that racism definitely played a role). Shane doesn’t go into it the best in the video, which is understandable it’s very difficult to keep track of, but the timeline in the mountains was actually pretty complicated with pretty much everyone who died verifiably dying from causes other than murder. People were buried in the snow, which preserved the bodies. Eventually the people in the mountains sincerely ran out of food. Like they were eating the cowhide of their roofs. And people realized that they did have food out in the snow banks. At that point it was sit and watch your children slowly wither away from starvation, or give them what food is available.

[@calbee.add1ct141]

@@engf223 dude that’s really interesting, plus there’s so many takes on how this all went down, like my APUSH teacher out right denied that any cannibalism happened. Apparently he has a credible source from historians but idk it seems like a load of bs 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@mohanawilliamson6195]

For real though, shit must have looked nuts to the natives. I mean, imagine a bunch of total strangers moved into your backyard and then straight up started eating each other. I mean Jesus 😨

[@elizabethlee2136]

It is forbidden to eat people in many of the indigenous religions and well documented in the folk lore of that region. And technically Christians talk alot of cannibalism by accident. Literally that is one of the sensible reasons why Ancient Romans Outlawed Christians for a while, that people don't wanna admit. I mean Christianity is a mystery cult... we just all go to the rituals or at least understand the rituals are symbollic. Like imagine if a guy hands you this plank of wood. Tells you that Jesus will live forever if you eat of his flesh and drink his blood. And never saw a church ceremony. It wouldn't surprise you these white people were snacking on each other. Its literally in the bible.

[@anabukashka]

@@elizabethlee2136 Midnight Mass is all about that

[@elizabethlee2136]

@@altanida1097 literally what is the Eucharist¿ What's Transubstantiation? Normal religions don't constantly talk about eating some dude named Jesus? There are a few that talk about cannibalism metaphorically. The corn god and wendigo. If you don't know Transubstantiation is a metaphor, it would be confusing. In fact some Christians believe in the Transubstantiation is a real thing So literally these Christians believe and say they are drinking the blood if Christ and eating the body of Christ. Lots of accidental cannibalism.

[@ermer]

It's extra ironic considering the settlers accused natives of being barbarians...

[@majestical15]

*The Natives, after the Savages called them savages and heard/saw the savage act the Savages committed:* 👀

[@meghanphillips3495]

If I remember correctly, the man james Reed stabbed was beating an animal and got violent with Mrs. Reed. James tried to stop him and ultimately resorted to stabbing him. So, not necessarily the bad guy

[@andrearobyn3701]

Reed was worried the teamster was going to murder his wife. There's nuance to that event Shane left out, mind you if he included *all* the specific details the video would be hours long.

[@katasoarusrex5357]

I heard it was because the teamsters reigns got tangled with someone else’s and he whipped the oxen that was tangled

[@rileyb1823]

@@katasoarusrex5357 yeah. from what i’ve read, the other guy accidentally hit reed’s wife with his whip, which angered reed, so he attacked the guy and stabbed him

[@Mizusk1_Broken]

I've heard that as well

[@sydneyslaughter7163]

Certainly not the worst guy in this story by far

[@d.lan3y]

A side note: the Washoe natives were living and thriving in those same mountains, that same winter. We don't have many records on their involvement in the story of the Donner Party (surprise, surprise), but their oral tradition includes the story of the starving strangers who were camped in a place unsuitable for the weather. The natives took pity on them and brought them rabbit and potatoes, which by some accounts went untouched. Another account tells that a few men attempted to bring them a deer, and were shot on sight. Not long after, they were observed by the natives to be eating each other, and were given a wide berth from there on out. TL\DR: The Donners were not alone in those mountains and if not for petty racism, they probably would not have turned to cannibalism at all. (Also, Abraham Lincoln--yes, THAT Abraham Lincoln--almost went with the Donner Party. The only reason he stayed back was because he had to care for a sick family member.)

[@LannasMissingLink]

Thats so funny! Lol they deserved it then. I dont pity them

[@sunshinem.7741]

Hey are you the TA? This online course has been a little confusing so I forgot your name.

[@devito803]

mothaf***in racists lmao. just desserts. thanks for sharing this piece!

[@ToscaTee]

Piles and piles of stupid decisions, yikes 😬

[@Areyousayingidontknowmyname]

The Moby Dick situation had similar actions and conciquences.

[@dewekiwi9602]

The Professor refusing to give Ryan any jellybeans is the origin story of Ricky Goldsworth

[@waddledoo2you13]

Canon

[@CyclingUrchin]

Oh god

[@thejasminedragonmerchant6843]

Headcanon accepted!

[@loveloss85]

Can you explain the lore of that statement? Is Ricky Goldsworth like Ryan's alternate persona?

[@thejasminedragonmerchant6843]

@@loveloss85 In a nutshell, yes! Ricky Goldsworth is an alternate persona of Ryan (like how Markiplier has Darkiplier) that sometimes gets mentioned on BFU (and Ryan has occasionally acted as him during panels and such, it's actually fairly spooky!). Shane's alternate persona(s), in contrast, currently include C.C. Tinsley, Banjo Mclintock, Long Legs Madej, and himself as a demon, haha.

[@lalvirgo84]

So my 10 year old’s teacher asked the class if anyone had heard of the Donner Party and my little one raised her hand and pretty much took over the class. Thanks to this video. I got a text from the teacher asking how/why she knew so much about such a grisly thing. So yeah...that was my week. How’re you guys doing?

[@Xander_P.G.K]

I'm doing good. Thanks!

[@MonsieurBananaTheBetter]

Well why did the teacher even mention the donner party in the first place?

[@myeeeeeh]

Aren't 10 year olds a bit too young to know about the Donner party?

[@lalvirgo84]

@@MonsieurBananaTheBetter they were learning about the Oregon trail and westward expansion.

[@lalvirgo84]

@@myeeeeeh not in our circle of friends and family.

[@evilwillhunting]

Patrick Breen had seven children. Apparently, it wasn't hard for him to get wood after all. Also, Patrick, his wife, and all seven kids got through this. The Breen family came out of this ordeal completely intact.

[@emilysmith2965]

Well… physically

[@unknownpasta8103]

well, it would have been hard to get wood and.. *wood* because he was both mentally and physically exhausted, he would've be able to swing an axe and his body wouldn't have it energy to pump his blood to his dick (can you tell i really like the donner party?)

[@unknownpasta8103]

they where one of the two families that came out completely alive the other being the reeds

[@theanonymousotaku6340]

Physically, maybe. Mentally and emotionally, they were long gone

[@pondwatersal2208]

FUN FACT! The Donner Party was offered a lot of help from a few of the local native tribes! They not only offered supplies, but advised them not to attempt to cross the mountains. Of course, they turned them down, calling them "savages," but the kind native people didn't take no for an answer. They would send a few people to deliver food, blankets, and other commodities just outside their camp! Of course, the Donners still didn't accept help from the "savages". (I believe this was outside the camp at what is now Donner Lake). After attempting once again to assist the unfortunate invaders, the native people were shot at by the Donners, and so they decided to give up. And so, as the story goes, the Donners crossed the mountains and started eatin' each other. Now that's savage. (Someone can fact check me here, I think I got it right but my memory could be fuzzy)

[@rozemary]

ewww they deserved it then

[@recoil53]

That is just determined to get to that horror movie ending.

[@Flanneryschickens]

oh look, it's the consequences of their own actions

[@rebeccaporter9411]

I wonder if it was papa Donner that made the decisions, bc I figured bc of the girls letter to her cousin, that they would have preferred not to take the Cut Off at all, and maybe accept help. But the whole party did nooooooot have the perfect trip, so they just some glorified racist cannibals

[@pondwatersal2208]

@@rebeccaporter9411 yeah I wouldn't say glorified but it's true, Donner Man was probably calling the shots. But the others were in on it. (Also "Donner" autocorrected to "dinner" which is true also-)

[@sophievandermeer9271]

Me n my homies drunk on campus: “lets throw up in the bergara bin”

[@dristosreadingcorner8966]

‘The Bergara Bin’ lol

[@darciewelborn9042]

THE BERGARA BIN

[@ladeelibra925]

LMAO!!!

[@AlwaysAPotterhead]

Bergarbage bin

[@koro-is-caffeinated]

"Dude, I'm so high right now I'm sewing ghosts. Wanna go chill by the *Bergara Bin?"*

[@rebeccaseymour5551]

I hope Joyce and the professor get to go on their vacation some day

[@CaseyAvalon]

Dude it Joyce just went on vacation with a puppet - slay.

[@alexiswoodberry9119]

They went to Reno together

[@miakutny5105]

the fact that the professor said “Indigenous Americans” really made me smile

[@florencekrome6045]

Is the term Native American alright too?

[@angel-hu3bp]

@@florencekrome6045 anything other than "indians" is an alright term 😭

[@erossore8500]

@@angel-hu3bp as an actual Indian it sucks when people use the term Indian American like!!! Then what am I!!! Lol

[@internetexplorer6304]

@@angel-hu3bp as a white person do people GENUINELY still say that?

[@anttibjorklund1869]

@@internetexplorer6304 The Federal Government *still* has a "Bureau of Indian Affairs" that deals with the Indigenous Peoples of the US.

[@TheLastRainShadow]

In Reed's defense the guy he stabbed was beating Reed's wife with a whip

[@kristinebryant9038]

Really???

[@jennatandy6272]

Reed: Only I can beat my wife!

[@lexigrimhaive]

I believe he was mercilessly beating cattle.

[@TheLastRainShadow]

@@lexigrimhaive she supposedly tried to stop him from doing that and then he beat her next

[@richardsanchez9190]

I think he was beating a cow. Unless of course he was talking about his wife.

[@elysiantree1052]

everybody said shane was a demon, nobody expected shane was a genie

[@baconsoup1864]

What if he's both?

[@Charharr]

Could be that the professor THINKS he made a deal with a 'genie', but it was really demon Shane tricking him.

[@bobbixvv]

what's a genie if not the party version of a demon

[@baconsoup1864]

@@bobbixvv exactly

[@jamiel6005]

a djinn is sort of a demon

[@ErrorNotFound-ex2gk]

This is like Horrible Histories and the Muppets had a child

[@greythomas6199]

Omg yes just add a bit of swearing

[@drawingsticks5333]

It would be really cool if Horrible Histories was still going and they invited Shane for one episode....

[@Oddballkane]

​@drawingsticks5333, it restarted in 2015. I think it is still going.

[@nickcagesgoodseed]

But with a new cast that not a lot of people like lmaoooo

[@nickcagesgoodseed]

The original HH cast have a show called ghosts now which is kinda historical in that the ghosts are from different time periods

[@gruslen]

"I don't do math, I'm cute" is the funniest and most accurate thing to say. I love her lmao

[@gruslen]

@@sou1creeper211 You're projecting hard, my friend ;)

[@sou1creeper211]

@@gruslen To what

[@tobypossum7386]

She's fuckin great, makes the whole day smiley

[@sou1creeper211]

@@tobypossum7386 disagree but ok

[@tobypossum7386]

@@sou1creeper211 what is your problem with her??? She hasn't done anything

[@aster-disaster]

"So the remaining 5 included the child eater, a child-" I SEE A PROBLEM HERE

[@RamenNamen991]

FOR TWO REASONS: 1)who the hell doesnt prioritize the children for rescue???? 2) FUCKIN FEMUR MUNCHER OVER THERE

[@JosephDavies]

@@RamenNamen991 The various family and friend-group dynamics played a huge role in who went or stayed in each decision point. Reading the journals is fascinating (and sad). The Wikipedia page is quite extensive if you want answers to these questions without reading the journals themselves. The Professor did a great job here, but there's so many mode details to the tale that just didn't fit in this lecture, it's worth looking into... if you can stomach it.

[@jolene1636]

Joseph Davies I would be interested to know but not sure if I can stomach it...what determined who was prioritized?

[@RMS129]

The child eater said the last 4 died of natural causes, but I think he probably killed them given that the blood and other things were so meticulously prepared in buckets. Creepy.

[@coldwaterburns_]

R S. I think it's safe to say that George Donner at least died of natural causes, since he was badly injured and the injury was infected to the point where he was too weak to have traveled with the earlier rescue parties

[@harryr5785]

“he died naturally of being murdered by me”😭

[@lenab.1080]

*N a t u r a l l y*

[@celeste.cutz2020]

Naturally by murder, what i was hungry?

[@k9feline2]

Except he never said anything like that. It was Lavinah Murphy, Foster's mother-in-law, who accused Keseberg of murdering Foster's son, but Keseberg always denied it.

[@stephaniehoyland4901]

And eaten, he was given a proper burial inside his tummy

[@birdboi357]

"I killed him, so naturally he died"

[@izzytepe]

those girls eating their dad is so depressing. just doing what they had to do to survive, but so traumatizing. AND someone you loved so dearly. crazy.

[@pirapiranha5517]

as someone who goes to Ryan's old college I would appreciate being able to chuck my Bruxie's in the Bergara Bin

[@VivaLaGolf42]

Get a little metal plaque made that says “Bergara’s bin” or “Beef boys bin” at a trophy shop and glue it to a bin on campus.

[@emilycargill4649]

“I’m disgusted, I’m flabbergasted, and I laughed a lot.” - my journal entry for summing up 2020

[@Fae_van]

I'm surprised you even laughed in 2020

[@kimberlymarkevitch4468]

@@Fae_van You can either cry at the 2020 shitshow or laugh

[@artxlife7236]

girl same

[@ArtsyMario]

Yep pretty much.

[@jasminemiller7485]

@@kimberlymarkevitch4468 Or you do both, at the same time. Repeatedly.

[@edenwoodward1563]

Broke: Shane is a human Woke: Shane is a demon Bespoke: Shane is a GENIE

[@greatvalue_ethelcain]

Wheel Spoke: He is both

[@isobelneferata330]

Shane isn't afraid of the supernatural because he knows he's a demon that no one's gonna mess with xD

[@justdecaffeinated]

well the Professor did say he may have made a deal with a demon instead so Shane could actually be a demon

[@gears265]

@@justdecaffeinated or demonized that a actual thing xd look it up

[@SubscribingMilotic]

He's a demon who made a deal with a genie to hold a consistent human form, unfortunately the nasty trick is that he's stuck in the human form and can't change back.

[@coelacanthropology]

Another depressing fact about the Donner Party is that one of its members, William Hook, a 12-13 year old boy, actually died from overeating. When he was rescued, he could not stop eating and the rescuers gave him something to make him throw up so he wouldn't become ill from so much food all at once. However, during the night he snuck to where the rations had been hidden outside in the cold and ate until he died. My little brother is really into history and when he was a kid he really liked this graphic novel series called Nathan Hale's Hazardous Tales, which contains a book called the Donner Dinner Party, which is how we both knew a lot about the Donner Party when we were probably about 9 and 12, respectively

[@NacodaLupine]

Yup. That’s called Refeeding Syndrome and it cropped up a LOT during WWII.

[@lebronjahamez7430]

Nathan Hale actually visited my school. Very chill guy

[@unknownpasta8103]

NATHAN HALE MAKES GOOD BOOKS BUT HIS DONNER OARTY ONE IS VERY BAD >:( IT ANNOYS ME BECAUSE I LIKE HIS OTEHR BOOKS >:(

[@trinimq9151]

@@unknownpasta8103 Wait, why do you not like his Donner Party one? I read it a very long time ago but I thought it was mostly accurate?

[@unknownpasta8103]

@@trinimq9151 it's missing a lot of key points, yet still talks about very minor points (I DONT NEED TO KNOW JAMES TEED WAS IN WAR WITH ABRAHAM LINCUON) and it paints all the survivors in a bad light for earring people, plus it kinda plays the terrible stuff off like "ha ha that's so quirky OwO" and not "people are eating each other and here's why :)"

[@breawycker]

The guy who stripped off his clothes is called paradoxical undressing which is a weird reaction that people have during hypothermia where they're so cold that they suddenly feel hot and strip off their clothes in response and usually die

[@marianwojcik6088]

I’m sorry, is this implying that SHANE is the genie?!?

[@tigerkitten8352]

That would kinda make sense tho, huh?

[@alexabaal8137]

Everyone said Demon!Shane, no one expected Genie!Shane

[@majikhu5171]

Alexa Baal what about demon acting as a genie!shane?

[@CHESShireCat]

majikhu The Professor mentioned that he was beginning to wonder if he made a deal with the actual devil instead of a genie...

[@honeybee7815]

Demon!Shane disguised as genie!Shane

[@alisonworswick5758]

My great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother actually took the California trail and met up with one of the surviving female members of the Donner Party. In her journal, she wrote that "this woman had the saddest face I have ever seen."

[@teresahowick5197]

That’s so sad 😔

[@TORchic1]

That is p sad, man. :c

[@astrowolvez]

I wonder why.

[@waitaminute-113]

Good lord that’s terrible

[@anastasiadeandra3473]

Guess they should have listen to the man huh

[@bulkeh]

I'm sitting here as a Californian going... "Wait, do they not teach students in other states about the Donner Party? Why is everyone acting like they don't know how this ends?" I remember being 7 years old watching a dramatized video about the Donner party and being HORRIFIED, and then shortly after that getting stuck in a blizzard on a highway in the winter time with my family for about 5 hours.

[@JannahO-rs2mu]

I live in western New York, and I learned about the Donner party in seventh grade.

[@kab2577]

I’m from Utah and for some reason we learned about in both 7th and 8th grade

[@mostlyghostie]

I’m from Virginia and I learned about this in elementary, I really didn’t know that people just live their lives unburdened by this story LOL

[@krigillustrate]

YEAH i'm from NJ and personally i had only heard the name, not the details of the story 😅

[@DerFlanagan]

EXACTLY! I’m from Truckee; they jammed this shit down our throats over & over again 😮‍💨

[@kodomoshawn6729]

I just realized that the snowman's arms are bones instead of sticks...

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

His eyes are also different colours because they come from two different people…

[@IWantToPetYourDog]

I've been so intrigued by the song that I never noticed until I read your comment.

[@loriwade5368]

About 35 years ago I lived in California and turned 21. My parents took me to Reno for my birthday. Naturally, we went through the Donner Pass to get to Reno. The Donner Party had already been part of CA history curriculum since I had been in elementary school. As we drove through, I noticed a McDonalds. I said, "Holy shit! If they had only gone an extra 1/2 mile!!!!" My parents have never let me live it down.

[@professorcatosaur]

Ahahahah

[@sunshinebowman-gibson1977]

HA

[@scp--297]

🤣🤣

[@Ennead13x]

The thing is, you weren't entirely wrong. If they *had* gone that extra half-mile, or at least continued on from the lake like they'd been told that night, they would have been in a more advantageous position to keep moving forward. It would not have been easy, but so many more of them would've survived.

[@loriwade5368]

@@Ennead13x The truth is, I grew up to love history, but I'm also a smart-ass. It's kinda like Shane and Ryan's future. LOL

[@harveyholmes9533]

“He did he died naturally of being murdered by me!”

[@nicholasbetts8744]

LMAO

[@Olive-ey1cc]

So one day we were watching a video about the Oregon trail in class Our teacher said that some parts might be disturbing One kid was like “what did they do eat their children” And the teacher said “if you listen closely, not their own”

[@emilysmith2965]

That’s a good teacher

[@vallycorpses1558]

“Dang I didn’t know he had a son, but everyone had a son at the age of 8 during this period of time” 😭😭

[@CRUSH40RULES]

Imagine how heartbroken he must've felt when he was told they had to devour his son to survive.

[@jfd2454]

@@CRUSH40RULES I guess it was karma, I mean he also killed and ate those 2 natives who were just helping them.

[@kays5377]

They left the child with the CHILD EATER in the last party??? WTF

[@maryamthewizard]

I'm just as confused like bruh he was 4

[@fatimakane8542]

He didn’t think that the guy who killed his son would do the same to another kid???

[@anar6475]

Plus how much room does a 4 yr old take up?! They could of made room to take him back.

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@thaumaTurtles Take the child across the river, then take the child murderer across the river, bring the child back, take the candy across the river, and then take the child across the river again.

[@Bumblebeerocks23]

I mean.. they were all eating people, I can’t imagine they were thinking straight

[@sharikal.f.epereira7544]

anyone other than ryan: *breathes* the professor: here's a jellybean

[@darkchocolate5494]

accurate

[@RachelBastow]

Ryan: breathes The professor: HERES ROTTEN JELLYBEAN

[@cynloh2302]

17:41 "You do eat a lot of taco bell" "Not a lot-" "Yes. A lot."

[@JingleShoes]

I saw this as soon as that part came up-

[@theanonymousotaku6340]

Me when my friends want me to eat something else for a day

[@dottysplash5291]

A little fun fact that the professor didn't mentioned was the wife had a dairy and her final entry read just these chilling words (summed up of course) "We're the last Americans."

[@dottysplash5291]

Thank you for all the likes!

[@TheeMusicalARM]

Supposedly some local natives, who were out hunting, came across the donner party at the lake on 2 occasions. The first time they took pity on them and tried to give them a deer but the party shot at them when they tried to approach. The second time someone was seen sucking the marrow out of human bones and the natives just went NOPE and never checked on them again.

[@Pomagranite167]

Yeah, nope is the correct fucking conclusion. Like...obviously, they had to tell the other adults "yo those fucking pink ppl who wear too many clothes are fucking eating each other tf?" But I'm wondering what they told the children of their tribes, bc they had to tell them something to make sure the kids stay TF away from them.

[@reesecamez6888]

Yongguk Is Ultimate Daddy oof that’s some racism

[@scp--297]

Honestly, I would have done that. If I came across some cannibals. I'll GTFO real quick.

[@hauntedn8v]

i don’t blame them. wendigos are terrifying

[@reesecamez6888]

Mothy h washoe people don’t believe in wendigos

[@anonymous-vr5gv]

Whenever the Prof isn’t talking and just kinda standing there,, he looks pissed as hell and idk but I feel that

[@Kenzaaa123]

His thousand yard stare is a mood

[@danielacti]

Ryan's said this before, that the professor either looks completely indifferent or very pissed off

[@hailmammonmoments7568]

It’s because he’s been trapped in time by a sneaky genie.

[@saturn6998]

RPF. Resting Puppet Face.

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

"The dOnNer partY? They knew how to have fun, we're gonna be just like them--"

[@fluffyhales]

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS FORD THE RIVER! TAKE A FERRY!!

[@JingleShoes]

WE'RE NOT FRUENDS. WE'RE FAMILY

[@nolongerzombiedoe4729]

@@IsabelJimenez-vf8ft is his skin meant to peel off like this?

[@eriellebc]

1. Why the heck did they leave a CHILD behind for the third rescue party 2. Once they learned they were only 100 mi away, why didn’t they try doing the trek or hiking behind the party or SOMETHING other than sitting there w the cannibals 3. The natives deserved better wtf 4. Did the last guy go to jail or anything?? Or did they just let that man back into the general public

[@whyareyoulikethis2819]

That first point gets me every time...surely they could have fit a bloody 4 year old kiddo somewhere on their rescue wagon.

[@z2yn]

Well they didn't use a wagon - they were travelling via walking through the still snowy mountains. And snowy in the sense of snowed in, meters deep with the danger of avalanches and rocky ways pretty much making things more difficult If you get stranded in snowed in mountains, you're either dead or you have to know how to survive in that climate and environment Edit: the Natives were said to actually be close to death due to malnutrition, the lack of energy and food and the freezing climate - so they killed them partly out of mercy, partly to make an ensured death quicker and give them a better chance of survival. By the accounts of the people they encountered after finally reaching civilization, they had walked their feet bloody and torn that it left foot trails in the snow, they had freeze burns and they were haggered and gaunt. And they probably didn't know how far away they were from their end goal, it's what we know today and perhaps people only back then when they heard about the event The rescue parties couldn't even carry much resources and were also quickly exhausted; they almost left people behind, with their family members promising pay after the rescue or begging them for their aid only for them to not abandon people and keep oh carrying them through the winter And sending someone to jail for going insane by almost starving? Hastings couldn't be made responsible because he only gave the advice, but it was considered the fault of the dying people for following the advice in the first place Most stories of people surviving in the freezing cold always end extreme - the French in Napoléons army all died horribly or succumbed to cannibalism or the cold just because of the winter - the same for the germans in World War 2. The Scott-Amundsen race is another good example, although without cannibalism. The Franklin expedition and also the most recent event of the stranded people in the Andes.

[@whyareyoulikethis2819]

@@z2yn You've got some great info there but the issue is, on the part of the natives being close to death from starvation, that was a story told by the survivors who had eaten the natives. They'll claim it was mercy because it makes it seem less awful. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't about mercy, it was about survival and fear. They feared that the natives (who were named Luis and Salvador) would go back to their people and tell them about the white people eating human flesh, which may have turned the natives hostile to the Donner party. The second issue is with the whole "close to death because of starvation" thing. They (both Donner party and natives) WEREN'T starving at that point. They were hungry certainly, but they misinterpreted the situation. They thought that the people that were dying had died of hunger when for the most part it was because of disease. So naturally the natives would not have been close to death from starvation either. I'd recommend checking out the video on this on the AskAMortician channel since Caitlyn would do a much better job explaining this than I could.

[@coolkid92223]

Mr. Keyesburg, the gentleman who ate the child to survive, went on to open a restaurant in California. Make of that what you will.

[@Ilivedbih]

@@coolkid92223 I hoped he died or was punished for killing and eating children at least .. there's not as much meat ffs, so to be called a "child eater" as well means many different things. Oh no.

[@ningning9418]

the fact that the natives that are labelled as savages went "hell no" when these folks started eating each of other says a lot.

[@robertsmithfan877]

fr

[@PineappleLiar]

This isn’t even the only story of white folks resorting to cannibalism as native people look at them like ‘dude wtf’. Look at the story of the sinking of the ‘Essex’, where the survivors of the shipwreck could’ve rowed to the Marquesas islands (the nearest by), but fear there were cannibals there. Instead two of the rowboats cannibalized half of their members before being found by a passing ship.

[@alioop6479]

@@PineappleLiar Shane actually covered that on ruining history! It’s like the predecessor to this kinda

[@ningning9418]

@@PineappleLiar they we're afraid of possible cannibals in an island but its so ironic how they themselves turned into one

[@wrenwhite8402]

@@PineappleLiar that’s actually the story that moby dick is based on, also they contributed greatly to the death of the Galapagos tortoises.

[@thisisthezodiacspeaking]

My therapist: don’t worry Ryan will win this sea- This episode:

[@frostyskeletons8950]

Your therapist shouldn’t be telling lies to papa

[@recoil53]

Also the Washington Generals will beat the Harlem Globetrotters.

[@Suppystar]

That "Couldn't pour water from his boot if the instructions were written on the heel" is SUCH an insult I die every time I rewatch this episode 😂😂

[@ipshitakanungo3025]

I can't imagine how much more grisly this would have been if Ryan was the one telling the tale. No hate to him, I love his way of explaining an incident but it's definitely more spooky kind while Shane's style is more cartoonish type

[@irenaprazanova2549]

Why is none of us here talking about the scene, where Shane's revealing himself as a genie?

[@taren1d]

we're all still recovering

[@satansspawn4001]

I screamed at that

[@haleygray5594]

Where??

[@simpulacra]

That eyeliner was poppin

[@bintangjatuh2748]

Haley Gray 18:40

[@carysdeacon]

I cannot overstate how unprepared I was to see Shane Madej dressed up as a genie

[@hazell5511]

LMAO THAT WAS HIM?? I didn’t even notice 💀💀

[@jellybeanboy]

@@hazell5511 WHAT DO YOU MEAN?? WHO DID YOU THINK IT WAS??

[@padoru2705]

He looks good in it ngl

[@soy4600]

@@padoru2705true

[@tobypossum7386]

The man is totally workin it

[@m3piggy844]

Me: [see the name Independence] My brain: 'I N D E P E N D E N C E welcome to the city so pleasing that everyone's leaving, fuck it, go west-

[@z2yn]

- Or else you get bit BY A BEAR, OR A SNAKE, MOTHER NATURE'S REALLY GREAT

[@electriccc.glypphh.arttttttttt]

additionally: there's lots to learn ho oh ho ho ho oh hO hO oH Ho HA O X L I K E M E

[@amythetoon6535]

hell yes

[@fluffyhales]

@@electriccc.glypphh.arttttttttt Insert Jeff giggle here

[@ritzexists2201]

beforeyougothe gen er al store hasallyouneedandplentymore..

[@carcinogenecist2054]

Joyce's constant disgust and disappointment of Ryan and The Professor's stupidity makes this my favorite episode

[@poisonmantis4191]

great comment, Karkat Vantas from Homestuck!

[@giannagronowski6348]

One of my best friends is a direct descendant of the Donner party. She's vegan.

[@coldwaterburns_]

😬

[@Aheartofbooks]

I would be too...

[@sarasthoughts]

Well... consensual cannibalism is technically the only vegan way to eat meat. Lol.

[@Olive-ey1cc]

Oof

[@benwilsonMMA]

def making that up

[@mikki5639]

I love joyce, she's like a sunflower field

[@TheSolitaryGrape]

This is such a perfect description, like you have so perfectly summed up the essence of her screen presence

[@sookie.smooth]

Joyce adds a lot. Is she a regular or have her own channel?

[@sou1creeper211]

A fat, shirtless sunflower field

[@Galiant2010]

I can never get past the fact that "Donner Party" is one vowel off from "Dinner Party". Also, I thought that Hastings HAD traveled the route but that he had done it alone on horseback and was not being honest (maybe even just to himself) about how much harder it'd be to take a wagon train through there.

[@CRUSH40RULES]

Never trust a lawyer.

[@onlytemporarybecause]

There is actually a card game called Donner Dinner Party

[@disastrousoriginal9465]

Hastings traveled the route but only after he'd published a book about it, and he had an experienced survivalist and a horse. I believe he ended up offering to lead people through the pass but I don't know if he actually committed to it.

[@ives6622]

I really wanted the wife to survive so she could start her girl's school

[@alrightthere1868]

yeah same it seems like a happy end to a tragedy but the creepy child eater suvived :/

[@user-tn1iw4hm2d]

well she got eaten

[@n8phet139]

First thing she would have taught those kids: “never trust men” thus the birth of feminism was born

[@user-tn1iw4hm2d]

@@n8phet139 lol

[@aceofspades4930]

me too its a shame she didn't survive

[@The_UmbrellaMan]

"I don't do math, Im cute" I aspire to have this level of confidence one day

[@Pomagranite167]

I actually can do math, but I've just realized I can just use this line instead and coast through life. Joyce got it figured tf out.

[@The_UmbrellaMan]

@SydMint honestly tho. I love school, just want to be as confident as Joyce

[@BMiren-bc6ye]

Life motto

[@gelitrippingkiddo5907]

Christine C. That is an absolute fact. (I have mild autism and I had to drop out before Junior year. Couldn’t adapt. Plenty of idiots graduated with “exemplary” grades)

[@Maya-jg7nj]

SydMint all the kardashians went to at least high school, and Kim is studying for the bar exam 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@kaelalist9656]

I love that they referenced vanessa carlton's a thousand miles when there is also the proclaimers' 500 miles which would have been more apt

[@vizzy5764]

I think Ryan WAS referencing The Proclaimers, albeit in a very offbeat way to avoid copyright

[@ziggygunz2447]

I feel like when Ryan finally wins (I haven't finished this episode nor all the episodes available in order yet) it will either be some ridiculous celebration or the most anticlimactic win in history lmao

[@ctag7817]

uhhhh yeah about that

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

How’s it feel to have gone with option 3

[@BMiren-bc6ye]

It's option B because he already did the most climactic thing ie murder

[@wowitscoldout1119]

I have great news for u

[@madelinel1946]

Fun, not so fun fact- Surprisingly, one person died of overeating after he was rescued and was so hungry he ate and ate until he died from it

[@Pomagranite167]

I wouldn't say it's very surprising, as there are many accounts of this happening to people, apparently happened to many of the victims of the holocaust once they were freed and rescued too. Starvation will make the brain to spaz tf out :(

[@TwelvetreeZ]

Yeah, his name was William Hook and the poor bugger was 12 years old 😢

[@annacarollina7703]

I went through starvation as a child and now a decade later i still have the compulsion to eat every thing when we do grocery shopping bc i have this fear that the food will be gone somehow and i will starve again so yeah. Starvation fucks You Up

[@liveandletslay3180]

This was actually the reason that many of the rescuing troops rationed food to concentration camp survivors at the end of the holocaust, which was tough but needed to be done so they didn't overeat to death.

[@micheal2458]

@@liveandletslay3180 the dinner party's rescuers did the same, but this kid was desperate and broke into the food supply :(

[@madams_stars]

Ryan: "It ends very well for them" Professor: "Would you say it ends well for them or medium well" Both of them: Laughs manically at their own joke * insert any cliche villain evil laugh *

[@v4d3r69]

Ill insert the joker laugh from mask of the phantasm

[@MeltySimone]

“That’s crazy, baby” has legit been my motto for the past few months thanks to Joyce.

[@TheDarbydoo]

I think that the next time Joyce goes on vacation, they let her borrow The Professor, so she can take ALL the selfies and make it something clever like #WheresTheProfessor. Make a triva game out of it, get free publicity, all that fun stuff!

[@FritoBanditoify]

Joyce: In scary movies, there’s always that guy who says “hey don’t do that thing” and then they go do it FATHER THOMAS in the buzzfeed unsolved supernatural series: 🙃

[@n.catherine9715]

wow not even gonna call him Father Thomas 😩

[@stargirl32102]

fun fact my friend knows that priest irl

[@FritoBanditoify]

Nora Catherine fixed 👌🏽

[@jaidenhughes1305]

That is so true 😌👍

[@reenureena3636]

I'm literally ROFL

[@IonAxis]

The Professor giving jelly beans to anyone but Ryan is like Professor Dumbledore giving points to Gryffindor, and ignoring Slytherin altogether

[@rebecaadruo7830]

Omg soo true

[@Underworld.Entertainment]

I love this comment so freaking much-

[@anweshabaidya4435]

underrated comment

[@MockybirdTwo]

Ryan did get a pun point though xD

[@ps1hagrid786]

100 POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR FOR *BREATHING*

[@melvinathemagnificent9007]

20:27 The embodiment of "Let's eat, Antoine" vs "Let's eat Antoine". Our English teachers warned us....

[@alanaurban6464]

the professor saying "snackin' on folks" gets me EVERY time

[@pamlegaspi]

Shane sprinkling in the time travelling and genie hints about the professor's backstory has the same energy as him managing to create the hotdaga for the bun q&a's 😂

[@MaurauderGirl]

Still mad we never got a conclusion to the Hotdaga

[@madeleineg.k.3119]

@@MaurauderGirl same, a true tragedy

[@prettyspectrum6371]

Shane: singing about gore and death Joyce: *vibing but visible concerned *

[@nightmarehalloween1207]

😂😂

[@summergies6994]

Very catchy, very disturbing

[@arbythecool]

Who tf is shane? I only see the professor

[@anmochiko]

They also didn't mention that one of the people actually died of overeating after being rescued, he snuck out and ate all the provisions and was found dead the next morning. Also, the idea of cannibalism was proposed pretty early on, and they drew lots on who was supposed to die, but ended up not acting on it because they were too ashamed.

[@kolldm]

yeah, it makes sense… starving people are supposed to start eating again slowly and in small doses, because they’re already so weak that their body can’t handle large amounts of digestion :(

[@ArcherOwl]

After the season 4 finale, I thought it would be fun to go back through the other videos and find out the real scores in each to see if Ryan actually won any. This will be focused on the points won during the questions only, not the extra points the professor gives out willy-nilly. Actual Score: Ryan had 3 points and Joyce had 6. The guest won fairly and this is my favorite episode because it's a bit of a horror story which I love.

[@LivingMyLife22]

🫘

[@AskMia411]

I’m rewatching the whole series so I can eventually catch up, and I now look for your comment on each video, because I’ve also wondered how Ryan actually did, but I’ve got ADHD and there’s no way I’d keep track 😅

[@da3musceteers]

You're messed up

[@jacobpierce2873]

I misread this as the “The Grisly Journey of the Dinner Party,” then realized I actually wasn’t that far off...

[@mafaldaviana9060]

Bro, I thought it said the GIRLSY Journey of the Donner Party and thought it'd be kinda cute but NO

[@HoneyBee-lx2zu]

This should not have been as funny as I found it 💀

[@belengonzalez9781]

yeah there's a book about the donner party and the title is literally "donner dinner party"💀 its really good read tho 10/10 recommend

[@elizabethbravo5648]

Bro i thought it said “the grilsy journey of the donor party”

[@randomgrmlin]

I mean ”döner” (same pronunciation as donner) does mean kebab in German.

[@Singstar631995]

No one wanna talk about the fact that James Reed was BFF’s with the Lincoln’s and they almost joined them on this trip but Mary Todd said no because she was pregnant

[@memerlaid8823]

Woah I didn’t know that 😲 that’s crazy

[@miurima]

Its crazy to think about how different things would be if Mary said yes

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@miurima you know this is where I believe that some things just happen for a reason.

[@OctoberLotus]

Good call, Mary.

[@plutossky7534]

"Honey no I'm pregnant remember?" "Oh shit Mary's right sorry guys. See ya who knows when!"

[@amandapanda528]

I unironically love the c dogs bit and laugh every time

[@mandacantu]

ME TOO! It's so silly, esp when he makes the seal noise!

[@wolvie1618]

Well clearly, since it's the best bit of the show

[@mnschoen]

"Not a lot." "Yes, a lot." I have no idea why that's so fucking funny.

[@Em-ux7yl]

I reeeaaally hope they talk about “The Great Emu War” at some point Edit: YAAAAAAAAASSSSSSS

[@recoil53]

I've been pushing for that too. If they can't do a whole half hour, at least have some Puppet History shorts.

[@medhasakre4501]

Just me being curious but what is that about?

[@jayanderson147]

YES PLEASE

[@jacklewis2491]

I'm not sure what that is but it definitely sounds like a shane thing

[@treasurebadmus]

Medha Sakre a war australians fought against birds and lost

[@TotallyWicked10]

FUN FACT: After Reed's banishment, his 13 year old daughter rode ahead to bring him a horse and some supplies and wanted to travel with him the rest of the way but he made her go back to the rest of her family.

[@norap668]

Man that reed a-hole I'll tell ya what

[@TotallyWicked10]

@@y45m1n You're correct. The fight between Reed and the man he killed (Snyder) happened because Reed tried to break up a fight between Snyder and another man. Reed's wife got involved too and Snyder physically attacked her and Reed acted in defense. When he realized how bad Snyder's wound was he even tried to help him, but Snyder died anyway. There's a lot to criticize James Reed for but I'm not sure painting him as a cold-blooded murderer is QUITE it.

[@ATaulKCTCS]

@Eryn C. Good point. But at least after this story we can all agree that Reed isn’t the worst guy lol.

[@TotallyWicked10]

@@y45m1n lol you're right, I just have a lot of inexplicable Donner Party knowledge so it was interesting to see their take on it

[@micheal2458]

@@TotallyWicked10 Oh wow. Not nearly as bad as this episode made him out to be! I feel a little bad for being angry at him before haha

[@UIAL570]

Actually breaks my heart “Are you men from California? Or are you from Heaven?”

[@bookworm1616]

Can we appreciate that Shane know Ryan so well that he knew what trash can he’d want.

[@svtvernon]

they should get shane on the next series. he's really missing out

[@cospaws8810]

I know, this seems right up his alley 🤷🏻

[@Adenon.W]

Yeah he'd have heaps of fun with this. Ryan would be SO MAD when Shane wins

[@dwightschrute3862]

He seems like another dynamic that would take this to the next level

[@ars0n765]

Yeah i know, he would be amazing on this and would anger ryan so much more than anyone else when he wins!

[@stannct26]

Ikr. It would be so funnyto see ryans face if shane beat him

[@vanilla_milkshake]

I love how Ryan is dressed all business casual, and then there's Joyce who literally just stayed in bed in her PJs

[@dewekiwi9602]

Joyce looks amazing even in her pajamas

[@aguyfromnz537]

Ryan is wearing a hat and a shirt. Hardly dressed up

[@tylerhernandez521]

that's just how college be

[@wemusteatdongs]

i mean, she does say "i can sleep anywhere, for any reason" lmfao

[@bravocrimson12]

@@tylerhernandez521 you get it Have a jellybean bro

[@eggnogalcoholic]

26:16 DUDE LEFT HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW YOU KNOW IT WAS ON PURPOSE

[@shmerples2960]

If only the Watcher team learned from the Donner Party....PLEASE TURN BACK, IT'S NOT TOO LATE

[@ALO-rd4es]

I can’t wait to watch Ryan fistfight the professor in the puppet theater

[@darkchocolate5494]

same honestly

[@elliesimon433]

Blue I think we all will be

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

We need a ryan puppet

[@waitaminute-113]

@@Blue-sk7nm I’d be the one just screams “take that Professor”

[@mushmushmush]

puppet colosseum

[@montymints]

Disappointed that the professor didn’t mention that one of the families (Irish) survived with every member, including several children under five

[@alexbramley195]

The Dark they didn’t mention the Graves family either

[@penguinside6728]

Or the dikrats >:(

[@PuppyLove2468]

@@penguinside6728 XD a fellow person of culture I see

[@lesbianbigbywolf2019]

@@penguinside6728 wait- is that a starkid reference??? POG

[@edwintaygon3370]

These 19 behind-the-scenes facts about iconic horror movies are pretty interesting : bzfd.it/38JdgnJ

[@sychiikoi]

"it's hard to get wood, *Ryan* " lives in my head rent-free i'm d y i n g

[@HTFWSFWWE]

I don't shame people for doing what they have to in order to survive horrible situations, I will shame the utter stupidity that lead up to this tragedy, though.

[@CanIswearinmyhandle]

I think you missed the most important detail; They weren't starving. They died from the cold, not starvation. They thought they died of starvation and that's why they ate each other but they where actually just not dressed for the cold and the insane amounts of snow. Like seriously at the lake there's a statue of the Donner party that's really tall because it's as high as the snow reached google it.

[@antheaholmes9431]

Lmaoooooooo A++++++ addition We thank you for your contribution

[@Pre-Nup]

Why is the cause of death on the table with all of them listed as starvation for some people?

[@loonflam8910]

I've seen it and believe me, it is TALL

[@Snozzberry_Slush]

Heard about one member of the party falling asleep at night and woke up to a complete panic attack. Wondering where the fuck did every one go, everyone was gone, completely gone thinking they left with out him. Then he realised EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING WAS BURRIED COMPLETELY IN SNOW

[@astrowolvez]

@@Snozzberry_Slush jesus

[@evalinaarenivaz4597]

"couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel" My life is changed for ever lmao

[@speckofdignity2487]

I heard this used once forever ago, and it became my favorite insult as soon as I heard it

[@missybarbour6885]

That's a good olde timey burn. My dad used to say that about one of his colleagues lol

[@evalinaarenivaz4597]

Thats how I feel about it now hahaha

[@isawthesign4421]

My parents use this all the time to say people have no common sense haha. Where do y'all live? I'm in the south

[@antheaholmes9431]

It’s an old post on tumblr lmao we know Shane was woke

[@downtherabbithole8325]

So a fun fact. Some of the people in the forlorn hope party actually died from hyperthermia (getting too hot) due to the layers they were wearing while scaling shear rock faces. I just want to know why the rescue parties didn't take the kids first. Like they just left the four year old

[@ggonzalez]

Having grown up near Donner Lake, I've known the history my whole life. I still love hearing what other people have to say about it. Also, a bit over 20 miles out of Truckee, there is a field where you can still see some of their wagon trails. George Donner's daughter and son survived, settling in San Francisco. The museum at Donner Lake holds a doll that was generously donated by the Donners.

[@mrs.infamous9053]

My therapist: Genie Shane is not real, he cant hurt you Genie Shane:

[@ishanafondekar6334]

h e i s h e r e t o h u r t y o u

[@cryptiddmashups0011]

Ideas for future episodes: -The life story of Adolph Sax -The life story of Rasputin -The life story of Lyudmila Pavlichenko -The Great Emu War -The Boston Molasses Flood -Literally anything to do with Bonnie and Clyde -Literally anything to do with Tarrare -The Six Wives of Henry the Eighth EDIT: I GUESSED THREE BABY! FIVE LEFT TO GO

[@danielyoung7534]

TARRERE YES

[@vee802]

YES!!

[@nerddegreeburns]

I would love a Rasputin episode. Also, I would like episodes on Harry Houdini and Harriet Tubman.

[@senjuubigold9116]

If you wanna hear a lot of strange but interesting historical figures, ghosts, UFOs, murders, etc. I definitely recommend The Last Podcast on The Left

[@giancarlovicaldo8608]

How about episodes about multiple attempts to find El Dorado, or about the South Sea Bubble.

[@camishavilme7402]

They literally had so many chances to go back and kept going lmaooo

[@jessicaluciaa]

Everything word that comes of Joyce’s mouth is such a mood

[@esmeraldaflores7713]

it’s so irritating to know that apparently natives attempted to aid the donner party, and i’m just NOW learning about this where was this explanation in my history class?? give the natives damn credit, this whole time i was pitying the donner’s for their tragedy. but to learn that they had killed and mistreated the natives boils my blood.

[@LostStarzOfTheSky]

Yeah the two native people tried to ditch em when things got cannibal-ly but they didnt get far enough sadly

[@prettyspectrum6371]

Not showing *this* part about the natives is so wrong. Totally highlights the actions of the donner party making them look like the victims. They put themselves into that mess, the natives were only trying to help

[@clarehidalgo]

I learned this in like 4th or 5th grade of elementary school, including the cannibalism and mistreatment of the native guides

[@ameliah3496]

@@prettyspectrum6371 yeah, the fact that they dont cover shit like that in most american history classes pisses me off. We need to learn the shitty sides of our history too

[@planetaryray7119]

Ikr they made it sound like this tragedy when really their misfortune was all their own fault lmao

[@sinimonroll4302]

"I don't do math, I'm cute" Me emailing my professor

[@kitsunekun2345]

After multiple rewatches, this is still my favorite episode. Joyce really made it. And the song was good.

[@sunny-ot8ee]

Joyce is one of the best guests on the show, along with Kate. they have opposite but similar energies and i love the way they vibe with the professor & Ryan!!!

[@_mossboss]

The man who ran off into the woods likely already had hypothermia. Feeling overheated is a symptom of late stage hypothermia and many suffers strip their clothes off. Theres a lot of naked bodies on everest

[@WiseSageBum]

Paradoxical undressing

[@misshulabuloothe1st953]

Exactly what I was thinking. I’ve listened to enough MrBallen stories to have that immediately pop into my head.

[@thenorthernbard3688]

I thought that was a separate thing called hyperthermia? Forgive me if I’m wrong

[@astrocake584]

@@thenorthernbard3688 But they’re talking about hypothermia? What?

[@thenorthernbard3688]

@@astrocake584 So basically there's hypothermia which is the body's inability to deal with excessive cold and hyperthermia is the body's inability to deal with excessive heat. I was wondering if late stage hypothermia was akin to hyperthermia since they mentioned the overheating aspect of it.