The GT7 PS5 pro update is…

[@FormulaDigital]

I dunno what is up with all the motion gittering. It just appeared here on youtube, not on my local copy of this... Man nothing but issues making this video.

[@dougquaid570]

Good video, regardless.

[@MisterReen]

Regular ps5 has no RT in-game, only in the replays.

[@SD-vp5vo]

what does it change?

[@Harmoodi]

​@SD-vp5vo you can see the cars in the water while raining

[@Lemmiwinks_The_Gerbil_King]

@@SD-vp5vo its a change u will never notice while driving its one of the least important things, especially compared to higher frame rates

[@CSTBFO_jad]

Ive played over 2k hours of GT7 in VR. I don't play this game any other way. In that time I've noticed some things while racing that aren't deal breakers for me but more minor annoyances. Namely, watching the cars ahead lose their spoiler, and badge, as they pull away. Also, seeing shadows being drawn not too far in front of me. Probably not that big a deal on a flatscreen sitting on the couch but being 'inside' the game in VR these kinds of things are amplified. Another annoyance was the shimmering trees at Nurburg as the global illumination is trying to replicate light passing through the leaves. The Pro with the update sees the shadow draw no longer visible. The spoilers and badges still pop out of existence but only when the cars are further away. Far enough away to not bother me anymore. And the shimmering trees are no longer shimmering. They now look more like they do in replay mode with RT on. I also noticed on PS5 when using my mirrors you can watch parts of of the track behind you disappear. On the Pro I'm yet to see any popout so far. Is the Pro worth it just for these small improvements? I leave that up to you. For me it's all about immersion. For me the Pro with the update takes it up a notch. I'm content with that for now. However I do feel the updates to VR mode seem either rushed or still a work in progress. Only time will tell if pd make more improvements over time. I hope they do though. I can't get enough of this game.

[@eSKAone-]

VR is way smoother now (with the projection option), just compare looking out to the side of a fast car.

[@AgtX999]

It's common knowledge that rt doesn't appear in game on base ps5, only on replays, on pro rt can be on in game too.

[@IrrationalCharm]

I’ll probably buy PS5 Pro. The 120fps mode looks actually a lot better

[@activeyaw]

If you're in the UK the Pro is on sale right now, trying to get rid of stock.

[@lkfayz]

Is that upgrade worth £700?

[@IrrationalCharm]

@@lkfayz I just sold my ps5 for 240£ and bought the PS5 Pro. Well worth it

[@lkfayz]

@@IrrationalCharm bro don’t try and justify a dumb purchase, it’s minor improvements for £700. Not really worth it

[@IrrationalCharm]

@@lkfayz for me is 460£. That’s not a lot money for smother fps and cleaner image

[@pgr3290]

PS5 has pristine image quality on the quality mode on the OG hardware. The frame rate can slightly chug rarely, and the shadow draw in distance can pop and be a little obvious. The shadow issues are way more noticeable than Pro's ray tracing! Can't believe they have the same draw distance. First thing I would like to turn up if there was a PC version.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Yeah shadow casting in games is one of the most expensive rendering options. I bet Poly decided not to enhance those on the Pro because they saw some significant performance drops! The hardware is simply not powerful enough! This is not good.

[@Avto28]

While there is a lot to criticize with the update, the argument that it doesn't look that much different doesn't really hold up. Polyphony never promised any drastic changes to begin with, and as soon as cars are in close proximity to each other, those ray-traced reflections do matter. I love especially how now everyone suddenly decided to start using chase-camera when it's all about the bonnet camera in GT, the mode that benefits the most.

[@jacobfischer3016]

I agree. And those reflections in the side of the cars really do stand out. I can’t help but notice the lack of reflections now on normal ps5

[@BleedForTheWorld]

That's some copium right there. When comparing the previous gen mid cycle refresh upgrade, you're paying more for less with this one. It's absurd just how bad it is because the tech is there but the hardware is not powerful enough.

[@Avto28]

@@BleedForTheWorld Is the tech there though? All polyphony has are ray-traced reflections and they are there, just need to find a better solution for the RT filtering that’s all. Polyphony are masters of making the games look photorealistic but they are not known as some tech wizards all of there solutions are tried and tested never cutting edge.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@Avto28 you couldn't even read what I wrote. Christ.

[@UniversalStand]

@@BleedForTheWorldsit down somewhere please.

[@betofernandez5524]

There are inprovements, that's evident, but with RT many things are looking worse. In the cockpit view RT works, with some isues in materials (chrome and metallic ones especially), but in general, looks better. Ilumination and reflections on the dashboard, wheel, etc. The interior looks less dark. It's good. But from the exterior cameras the cars have pixelated edges and reflections in some parts they should not have them, making it weird. At night, especially with metallic paints, lights glare looks awfull, and colors are much more plain. I would like to see a mode, without RT, 60fps and better draw distance, AA, and LODs distance for example. I mean, all the current options are a compromise... PS. VR quality is the best thing after the patch.

[@solace4114]

How was psv2 with og ps5 on gt7 honestly

[@KissofDeath63]

i can confirm,60hz framerate mode with pssr off is the best mode

[@BleedForTheWorld]

It's probably 45% better on paper somewhere but certainly not in practice when it comes to utilizing and including modern tech like RT. Even the best consumer GPUs in the world struggle with that.

[@Gdad-20]

Only them that have thrown 700 of thier hard earned at it, will say its way better. They are under the placebo curse though and have to justify thier impulsive stupidity.

[@UnFitGamingDC]

@@Da_Unsuitablesyou obviously don’t

[@UnFitGamingDC]

$700 is worth it, you just limited on money don’t blame the system

[@UnFitGamingDC]

@@Da_Unsuitables bro you cappin 🧢

[@UnFitGamingDC]

@@Da_Unsuitables bro I own every system ever released… definitely never crying about $700 I bought 3 Pros, house, beach house and studio … it obviously a different you’d know if you really had one sir cap a lot 🧢

[@hammy316]

Broki 😂😂😂😂

[@Feckerhead]

"I am not mad, just disappointed." Couldn't have said it better!

[@askmyAK]

If you have a 50+inch TV is a a big upgrade

[@brealll9647]

There is no RT mode while racing on the base PS5. Just menus and replays.

[@frankfeenstra]

I have the idea that I did not see any difference in any of the video's shown...

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

You gotta remember this is originally a PS4 game, so i dont expect or even want them to spend too much resources on fixing this game while posponing gt8... i think we will only see a difference in gran turismo 8 when comparing ps5 and ps5 pro

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

I really dislike the idea of PRO consoles... either you change the generation or you dont... whats the point of a mildly outdated console with a life half as short

[@germanautos9460]

Omg the environmental detail is POOR the grass looks like it's been drawn on by a green pencil ✏️ horrible 2d upscaled trees but the cars are a masterpiece just wish the environments were slightly more life like

[@mexdrago3009]

Id rather have more fps then graphics. Frame rate mode only is the only thing I care about.

[@GarageKei]

Yea, nah, I can't tell the difference between any of the modes. Make a poll in the community tab and get people to vote what mode they think it is. I like the way you put the arrow in for the bumper mode fence bit and then replayed it a couple of times. need more of that. The other time you mentioned the grand stand showing up... i didn't see shit. 🤣🤣

[@tommy516]

The Resolution is CLEARLY higher on the PS5 Pro.

[@leadlefthand]

You better select a poorly optimized game to see a more noticeable difference between the base PS5 and the Pro. PD can scale their GT7 engine to run at 60fps in the base PS4. Even on that hardware, GT7 still looks good. Softer because it's maxed out at 1080p - but still impressive. Any improvements on the Pro will just be for RT effects during gameplay, which becomes unnoticeable if your focus is on trying to win the race instead of looking for your opponent's reflection appearing on your hood. But games that are poorly optimized will get that much needed horsepower boost to run better because the devs were just too lazy to find solutions on base PS5 hardware.

[@yeorges]

This game looks stunning 4k 120 ps5 pro

[@GameAtmosphere666]

You have 120fps on pro with RT. It feel so smooth. In base ps5 you got 1080p. 1 moore thing is that you dont se this on youtube 120fps 1080p amd 4k 120fps. Its night and day diffrence

[@kiisseli1337]

It's same res

[@GameAtmosphere666]

@kiisseli1337 its not same res at 120fps. I have the both consoles

[@LegacyRap7777]

Very disappointed with this update for the Pro, looks the same.

[@sjorsrozendaal218]

This game needs to come to pc to really shine

[@Louis_Delgres]

You can Wait GTX

[@rodrigovasconcelos5192]

Am I the only person who considers the overall image of the game to be excellent, but the vegetation in the scenarios (around the tracks) is always very bad?

[@jomo4502]

If you're trying to discredit the PRO, let me first say this.... The improvements on GT7 may be small but they are huge on other games. Streetfighter 4, 5, and 6, Tekken 8, a crap ton of ps4 and ps5 games in general. 1 game got you making a video ? Lmao wow.... try harder op.

[@Transport4ThatDumpTruck]

I don't even own a pro know it's worth the money. idk why it's always people who can't educate themselves properly before uploading a vid like this because it's clear they don't care to put in effort to actually show the difference like a lot of gt7 vids actually do

[@DoctorHades]

I think the PS5 Pro has been a mixed bag honestly in my experience. On the one hand, the extra horsepower of the console means that unpatched games with dynamic resolution scaling and/or wobbly 30 fps or 60 fps framerates now run better on the PS5 Pro. That is nice to have for sure. especially with sharper image quality and smoother framerates that can now stay within the PS5's limited 48-120 Hz VRR range. On the other hand, the actual Pro enhanced patches have been pretty disappointing. It's evident to me that PSSR works best when the game is using a higher base render resolution and looks progressively worse the lower the resolution goes... basically just like FSR did on the base console. Silent Hill 2, Alan Wake 2 and Star Wars Jedi: Survivor all have visual issues such as aliasing, flickering and/or shimmering due to using PSSR on low resolutions. All of them look subjectively worse than the original modes. And a disturbing trend is that developers are replacing the original modes from PS5 for the Pro version meaning I cannot just switch back to the original modes and use the extra power of the Pro instead of having to endure sub-par image quality with PSSR. I also played Final Fantasy Rebirth over the weekend, a game that has been praised for having a good PSSR implementation for the Performance mode. And, yes, it certainly does look better now in the 60 fps than on the base PS5 but the game is still using the same graphical preset as the base PS5 so the Costa Del Sol area where I am now is rife with awful and distracting pop in, especially when zooming around on those two-wheeled vehicles. I would personally rather they just dumped PSSR for a better graphical preset and bumped the resolution up a bit to use Unreal Engine 5's TSR. Final Fantasy Remake looks fine in its 60 fps performance mode for example and doesn't use PSSR. As for Gran Turismo 7, the game is great but the Pro patch is underwhelming as the RT reflection are really not noticeable during actual races and, of course, if you check for them in the replays well they are there but they were also there on the base PS5! PSSR doesn't make the game look any different here and I agree that the developers should have just targeted higher graphical settings rather than adding RT to gameplay, which really isn't needed in my opinion. Maybe RT would have been better used for global illumination and shadows?

[@cocacola3269]

So many Pony lovers in here defending 😂😅😂 Relax.. you will be fine.

[@pietroscarpa2384]

Why don't you show the inside of the car with RT?

[@FormulaDigital]

I wanted to focus on modes most people use for actual racing, this is also why I didn't focus much on replays. I would like to cover absolutely everything but there are just far too many modes and choices.

[@pietroscarpa2384]

@FormulaDigital I only race from the inside view. There is where you will see the big difference.

[@paulmcgeever5343]

Oh dear yes those that have bought the new pro got a free packet of placebo tablets aswell . One to be taken just before gaming and take with plenty of water as may cause dry mouth due to increased anxiety !

[@PabloLivan.]

What did you guys honestly expect? Compare a video between a RTX 4070 and a 4070ti side by side and tell us which is which.

[@Celatra]

well those atleast have a difference, even if small. about 15% difference across all games and applications. and its consistent. the difference here was supposed to be a bigger. from a rx 6700 ish downclocked to a 7800xt ish with double the raytracing cores. that should give a 30% uplift. but...as seen here...its not. prolly because gt7 is cpu limited. funnily enough the base ps5 version looks BETTER lmao

[@PabloLivan.]

@ There IS a 30% uplift and it can be as high as 45% what are you even talking about 💀

[@Celatra]

@PabloLivan. Certainly not in this game or elden ring lol

[@PabloLivan.]

@ What do you think those percentages translate to? Like what do you think when hardware is claimed to be a certain percentage faster, what do you think that does to a game?

[@Celatra]

@PabloLivan. The scaling isn't linear and 1 to 1. Gpu heavy games will see the most uplift while cpu intensive games will see next to no improvement.

[@prostreetbeetdhd4586]

Folks havent realized by now that most new gaming shi from software to hardware now days is rife with problems and issues at release. I recommend waiting a month or two on most purchases. Thst way u can gauge when, or even of at all to purchase something

[@GarageKei]

at 44 seconds in and really disappointed you didn't do the double fake like John Oliver leaving us all completely unsure which was which 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kidShibuya]

lol missed opportunity!

[@LurizanFian]

with naked eye we dont know the improvement unless we got 4k tv with 65 inch and above

[@activeyaw]

You're going to get the Professional fanboys seething with videos like this. So lets try to boost their pride. KZbin believes in equality so it compresses Pro footage to look like base PS5 but in real life the Professional version has twenty five times the visual fidelity and if you disagree you're just too poor to be a Professional player.

[@familialgameaholics7618]

Just like many other issues, I'm sure they will continue to work out the kinks. Everyone is wigging out. Meanwhile so many people spent 1000 on a base PS5.

[@alvinamana1459]

Crazy when you play a racing game an zoom in 400x to see a minor reflections in a mirror 😂😂 Thank you for outting it side by side an not telling us whoch is which i guarantee sony fanboys are loosing their shit right now 😂😂 The way the fanboys hype one setting that been around since the 90s is crazy its literally like its just one setring you turn on or off

[@LycanNaryko]

The OP should not do technical analysis at all. Even i that don't play gt7 realized that the pro has raytraced reflections on cars in actual gameplay. The ps5 is missing that completely even in the so called RT mode. Someone should tell the OP that GT7 on ps5 obviously has no raytracing in gameplay. So 60fps with raytraced reflections on cars in gameplay is a pretty big upgrade given how expensive raytraced reflections cars are.

[@cedric1808]

The only noticeable difference is actually the frame pacing. There is slightly less stutters. But it''s not like it was game breaking before. The game looks good but Polyphony's engine is dog crap, and you can tell everything is brute forced. No way it can be PSSR friendly with all the ductape there must be in there

[@pau1farcry]

My eye sight must be bad because I'm not seeing any change at all. Sony charge £700 for nothing no change

[@-never-gonna-give-you-up-]

What did you expect 😂

[@FC3BUG]

Bro doesn't even know what the modes do No RT in game on PS5 like the Pro. And the RT/ FPS setting only apply to replay. But LOD and shadow should be better on pro

[@FormulaDigital]

The RT and fps settings directly affect in game graphics, mainly the resolution as the resolution toggle is also the RT toggle. You can clearly see the resolution change, if you are on HDMI 2.1 anyway, lesser ports or cables can lock you to lower resolutions and might limit the fps and RT toggle to do basically the same thing.

[@cypherdubz244]

Fanboy Trigger

[@rodrigopinchiari4027]

The problem is not the update! The problem is waste money in a PS5 Pro for nothing!!!

[@Soonjai]

More or less what I expected, the PS5 Pro overall really looks like the most pointless System variant ever. But if you do a Video like this again, could you please keep the VRR Information consistently in one corner? It jumping around all the time makes it a bit hard to keep looking at the numbers.

[@FormulaDigital]

I would love to keep the vrr info in the same place but LG decided to make it random :( hopefully I can find another way to show it

[@notfunny3397]

I'd argue it's not pointless, it has significantly more GPU power and especially improved RT and Upscaling tech. It still hasn't been properly utilized imo. Honestly the problem is the price and lack of disk drive. Even if they kept the higher price, they should have included the disk drive and maybe a more modern CPU and more storage to compensate.

[@Soonjai]

@@notfunny3397 You are coping, and really hard too. If the Pro really had "significantly more GPU power" we would see that reflected in the performance when comparing the same modes between PS5 and Pro and raw power and brute force alone. I guarantee you that the Upscaling Tech is most likely based on AMD´s FSR Tech, and that´s often significantly inferior to Nvidia´s Splution. It´s very doubtful that Sony made a entirely new Upscaling System from Scratch here. And wether or not the RT Performance of the Pro is better in any meaningful way is yet to be seen, but very doubtful.

[@notfunny3397]

@@Soonjai Ive never owned a console and probably never will, spending 500 dollars on something purely for gaming does not seem appealing to me. The one and basically only advantage the ps5 Pro has is it's extra GPU performance No reviewer denies this, it's just that games haven't been made for it yet. Im not sure why you think I would be coping.

[@SuperStrilChuk]

@@Soonjai the PRO has already proven this in raw power tests, increasing the FPS by ~35% compared to the base ps5 on unpatched games. For enthusiasts, this is enough to justify an upgrade

[@copperysinger5985]

Finally! Someone to call these scammers out.

[@rockslash5614]

Well, what did you expect? It's not PS6, still 5.

[@crkvend]

An improvement.

[@rockslash5614]

@crkvend there is an improvement but not a change.

[@ShojiYoon-nt7uo]

lol PS5 No