The HALO Show is VERY BAD (and here's why)

[@TheMartyODonnell]

You’re funny. Thanks for liking my music.

[@IronFreakV]

Your soundtrack for the OG trilogy is some of the most legendary stuff in gaming, it's forever in the hearts of me and millions of other fans. Was playing Infinite the other day and me along with friends still gawk at how kick-ass it is. Thanks for making music!

[@yayayoshi1028]

I cry to ur music at night

[@TheJonnyEnglish]

GOAT

[@PerkolatorTheTerminator]

Dude, is this for real??? You’re a fucking LEGEND Marty!!!

[@bananaroch5306]

Why didn't they hire u for infinite is insane love ur work

[@adriannaranjo4397]

I seriously don't understand how the people in charge of shows like this *_brag_* about knowing nothing about the franchise they're adapting and/or outright hate it (then why even work on it?) And when it bombs they act surprised no one likes it

[@Philtheslo]

I'm sure the ones that don't like it but still work on it just enjoy ruining it for the people who do

[@gaminggladiator06]

1. To show off they have money 2. Because they get money 3. Because they have the money.

[@davidmarrero9608]

Obviously because 1. It's a well known IP which can guarantee to attract people to watch it even people who aren't Halo fans would check it out 2. Because being attached to a big project based on a big franchise like Halo can put their name out there for other projects 3. Because of money

[@freakyfro99]

I don't understand why certain things get given to certain directors/producers. When I was in college I fell upon Nightwatch, a Russian fantasy movie. After I watched the two movies I found they were based on books. I read the books and they were massively different! For some reason these movie books were given to a director that *hated* magic an fantasy shit so he did his best to remove them from the movie... A movie that was based on fantasy book series. Shit is wild and people are dumb.

[@Philtheslo]

@@freakyfro99 shit like that pisses me off but as gaming gladiator said it's mostly for money and it's real fucking dumb

[@rometherevenant8749]

The moment John Buttcheeks took off his helmet in episode 1, I knew it was not going to be Halo and that we were getting garbage. Its such a shame that we got two very poor live adaptations of Netflix Resident Evil and Paramount Halo. The entire teams behind both of these live action massacres should never touch another video game adaptation. I really hope this whole "get a video game franchise and put it on our live streaming service so people have a reason to sub" dosent become a trend. Live action anime adaptations are bad enough.

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

Live action anime isn't inherently bad, though I agree most shouldn't be attempted. Simply doesn't translate well to live action in most cases. The Bleach movie is the one example where I feel it was actually done well and the only reason I believe it is possible to translate an anime to live action and do it justice both as an adaptation and as a well made movie in its own right. Full Japanese cast that resemble the characters and the English version was dubbed over by several of the official dub actors. They somehow dubbed Johnny Yong Bosch over a live action Japanese actor and made it seamless for the whole movie. As for Resident Evil, I'd say I don't know why that series is still getting adaptations but I do. Capcom makes a shitload of money regardless of how good or bad adaptations of their work do. They don't give a shit how it turns out, they just collect a check. Which is kind of hilarious when they also make their own CG movies that are canon to the game timeline and at least feel like the more action heavy entries of the games. Not one of these live action RE adaptations has captured what made the series legendary. At most they will nail an aspect or two while completely screwing up everything else. Capcom's own CG movies don't capture what made the series legendary either but at the very least they do capture the batshit lunacy of RE4 and 5 in top form. Leon and Chris teaming up to clear a crowded hallway of zombies in Vendetta was fucking badass spectacle in the way only Capcom themselves seems to get right with the franchise. A Tyrant vs a pack of Lickers, that's just good dumb Capcom fun

[@Hessed3712]

I’m sorry but I lost it at “Buttercheeks.”

[@rufusblue8044]

I'm deeply worried about Netflix bioshock

[@itslander7779]

where is my Dwayne The Rock Johnson Fortnite movie

[@kurtkingston9252]

John buttcheeks lmao

[@drago4441]

What really pisses me off so much, is that they had all the work done for them already, they had characters, a story, looks, style, EVERYTHING, literally they were given an action sci-fi show, on a silver platter, hot n ready, all they had to do was bring the action to life,but they decided "what if we do anything BUT that"

[@kinagrill]

They literally decided to NOT play the games or follow the stablished lore except for what a one-page synopsis could give them... it's absolutely insane the level of ego and self-obsession needed to deciding that the established lore that fans are passionate about will NOT be used and instead they decide to turn the show into a horrid skinwalker version that just wears the LOOK, but has none of the FEEL.

[@Soggywafflecakes]

The problem is they tried to make a show instead of a movie. They probably knew the show was gonna cost them alot of money if they kept the original story.

[@fluent4530]

⁠@@SoggywafflecakesI’ll say this and I’ll keep saying it until I die but games like halo shouldn’t be live action and I’m tired of people trying to force this. Live action is just too constrictive and expensive to do right. For games it should just be animated, you don’t need body actors, you don’t need props, you don’t need set pieces, and all that other shit, all you need to do is draw and animate whatever you want, and not only that due to the fact it’s animated you can even get the original voice actors for the games to work on the show. I mean look at LOL and Cyberpunk they were able to nail everything that made the games and lore so exciting and memorable, that could be halo but nope we shall continue this live action bullshit forever. Halo Legends is the closest thing we will ever get to a true halo show experience.

[@The_KingDoge]

Very, very very possible to do a halo show. The issue with this one was shitty writing from writers who wanted to make their own shitty sci-fi drama using a halo budget. A show can adapt and change the story somewhat while being true and respectful to the source material. @@fluent4530

[@onmoron4175]

@@kinagrill you are insane, u'll be more insane once u figure out marvel and dc movies don't follow their source material completely, not a single succesful franchise does, do u know why? bc games, novels, comics , movies and tv shows are wildly different, they NEED to be changed in order to work, real tv shows fans like this series bc it's actually decent, they did a great job at imagining a new universe instead of just copying and pasting to get all the money from the fans, they actually cared..

[@BunkPhD]

If the inhibitor chip blocks his sense of taste it should logically also block his sense of smell. That means that John can't smell anything, like a fire or a sweaty man sneaking up on him. It makes no sense to have an inhibitor chip block any of the 5 essential human senses, just because you want them not to experience pleasure. The sense of sight can also be very pleasureable, depending what you are looking at, so why not also make your super soldiers blind? Why would you make human super soldiers in the first place, if your are going to take away some of their essential survival senses? I do not understand how such a completely ridiculous plot point made it into this show.

[@youtubeaccount5904]

Because they were going the for generic dystopian "are we the baddies?" trope. Taste isn't just to enjoy eating things, it's so you know if what you're eating is fuckin' rotten or otherwise going to demolish your intestines. Why would anybody ever make their very expensive, very hard to produce, critically important super soldiers *less* effective by ensuring that they're worse at foraging than the average person? Like it's fucking stupid. There's literally only downsides to it and it exists just to be grimdark and edgy. Step 1: Drop Spartan behind enemy lines where he's expected to disrupt the enemy for extended periods of time, with absolutely no contact or support from anyone else. Step 2: Oh shit he fucking died because his rations ran out and he ate a bunch of shit he shouldn't have but he didn't know that because you broke his fucking tastebuds so that you could jerk off thinking about how your super soldiers, the only thing preventing humanity from getting totally manhandled, cant enjoy food. Good job, ONI.

[@strawberrylotlizard]

Yeah doesn't make sense to use humans as a base for augmented soldiers if being human isn't a important part of it

[@iamcool544]

I think they tried to take the point that as part of the hormone augmentation that made the Spartans 9 feet tall and 300lbs of muscle that it giga fucked their sense of sexual desire. All Spartans are not only completely sterile they dont even feel arousal, and since they went through the augmentation at age 11/12 they have NEVER really felt arousal before. The doctors said it was a drawback, the military said it was a feature lol

[@duelyst9552]

@@iamcool544 This is a misconception, they just know to keep it in their pants and stay professional because of how they were raised. The sterility thing is a very rare side effect of one of the augmentations, not a guarantee to occur for everyone. All of the augmentations had potential side effects but if they were all taken as 100% occurring we wouldn't have the Spartans capable of moving at all.

[@fireelite7839]

The reason should’ve been the heighten their other sense

[@aaronmccormick991]

“Learning about how the Spartans were treated as children and how they were brought into the Spartan program was actually interesting.” Ah yes, the one part they decided to copy from the Halo books. That’s why you liked it, because it was written by somebody else 20 years ago who was much better at writing things lol

[@triplemoyagames4195]

what makes it worse, is that in official Halo Lore, Master Chief KNOWS, but still believes in the greater good of the UNSC and purpose. So he didn't go on this emotional nonsense being the antithesis of a spartan

[@Quizerno]

@@triplemoyagames4195 Yeah that's a great point. In the books, ALL the children are informed because Halsey knows that keeping it from them would lead to distrust.

[@aaronmccormick991]

@@triplemoyagames4195 that’s one of the things that made Chief and the other Spartans so endearing to me as characters. They knew from the beginning that they had been taken from their families and they were willing to go forward and do what was asked of them. “Not one of them cried.”

[@triplemoyagames4195]

@@aaronmccormick991 They also knew it wasn't done out of malice, but desperation

[@aaronmccormick991]

@@triplemoyagames4195 exactly. Gosh I love Halo. I also hate Halo.

[@fitterniti]

The reason the Spartans were considered so mythical wasn't because of their legendary feats or their freak physiques and abilities but their lack of appearing human. They rarely ever appeared out of Armor and that was only within their units. This aura of mystery and fear is what aided to their legacy. And it's the very same crux that was used in Reach to showcase how human they really are that there's just regular soldiers under all the mjolnir. But nah. The show has infinite facetime 😑

[@andrewmeyer3599]

Plus they weren't usually attached to normal squads, before the Fall of Reach they were still boogeymen and only sent together and not with any other branch. Seeing a Spartan before or even during the Fall of Reach was rare as fuck

[@nulleins8672]

i haven‘t even played a single halo game but even i knew enough about the series that when master chief took off his helmet in like the first episode i was like… wait he‘s not supposed to do that. at least not *that* early into the series and basically without a reason to do so.

[@metetural9140]

@@nulleins8672 yeah Chiefs face has never been unveiled other than when he was a child and in the Halo 4 legendary ending when we see only his shadowed eyes

[@Sandersss57]

PREACHHHHH

[@fitterniti]

😅 nice to see so many people know this while so called experts don't even know. I mean. Chief was legendary and respected even within the Spartans and not seen by many outside his squad or save few other Spartans. Face reveal should have been reserved for a key moment, just like in the games when we lose Cortana for good. The anguish and despair and loneliness in those eyes alone was enough to make a grown man 😭 They should have savored that moment. I love how major studios are completely destroying everything we grew to love with their TAKES on it. 😑 What an era we live in

[@zombiefreak851]

The fact that Miranda Keyes is so not herself that elvis calls her "some woman named Miranda" and didn't even recognise her as Keyes is just so perfect.

[@sarinat3101]

Karl Urban knew how to play a masked character without letting his ego get in the way. Most actors want to take helmets and masks off so people see their faces (even if it makes no sense in-world to remove your head protection), but Urban insisted keeping his portrayal of Judge Dredd helmeted because the character never removes it.

[@marzeloperas]

Right?!

[@upinarms79]

Urban's Judge Dredd was damn good, and you aren't wrong, but in this case I don't think it's Pablo's ego, I think it's the studio's ego. "...but we payed all this money for our big star! How will people know he's a good actor is they can't see his face?" That's the kind of stupidity Paramount is known for. They assume (or maybe hope) that their audience is as stupid as they are.

[@Dr.Goodperson]

Thats Direction, not acting

[@aoki6332]

@@upinarms79 its both literally why in marvel movie every one remove there mask its just dumb Hollywood culture

[@MrHealingmonk]

Probably the choice of the actor then. Sad these people join projects they have no clue of the actual IP. Hopefully we can move in a proper direction next season.

[@makhina8839]

The reason Elvis liked the whole “kidnapping children and swapping them with faulty clones” is because that is actual Halo Lore. They had tried doing clones but obviously they didn’t serve the necessary purpose if they died too fast…

[@scottiecurrie7927]

Exactly, and the craziest point is that Master Chief doesn't give a shit, because he knows that humanity is literally on the verge of extinction. Halsey had to abandon her humanity and do really terrible things in order to save the human race. I remember reading one of the books, and he said he was proud of what happened to him because it allowed him the honor of serving humanity. THATS how awfully they screwed this plotpoint up

[@TalentCaldwell]

I began reading your comment forgetting what channel I was on so I was thrown for a loop upon seeing “Elvis liked…kidnapping children…”. 😳 Elvis Presley did what?!

[@makhina8839]

@@thotslayer9914 So canonically they tried multiple ways. I don't remember the order but they did have big cyborgs at one point.

[@makhina8839]

@@thotslayer9914 IIRC chief is part of the group of kidnapped children that were then "enhanced". There were a bunch of stories released way back in the day that explains all of this

[@rinasakurai8857]

@@scottiecurrie7927 lol exactly like imagine how impactful and what a breath of fresh air that would have been if that plot point was adapted properly? Master Chief demonstrating his understanding that the sacrifice of the few is necessary to achieve the goals of protecting the many. Laying down one's life to protect your entire species and hell the universe is admirable and noble as fuck. But nah instead we get a Master Chief who simps for some basic chick and attempts his best at emoting but only succeeding at conveying confusion and constipation for 9 hours 🤣🤣

[@CreateAmazment]

The Mandalorian is actually the perfect comparison. Because the writers for the Halo show said it wouldn't work if Chief kept the helmet on all the time because people wouldn't connect with him. Meanwhile we have the Mandalorian, Din rarely ever takes his helmet off, barely speaks, and yet everyone loves him and connects with him. It just goes to show the writer's they got probably weren't the best pick for this kind of show

[@Barnesofthenorth]

What they mean of course is they didn't want to put in the effort, to connect with a character with no face the acting and writing need to be on point as you can't just use the old easy methods of "oh look hes showing a sad face so hes sad and you should feel bad for him!". They just went for easy mode.

[@maximillian1109]

Quite a bit more obscure maybe, but the same goes for Soundwave from Transformers Prime as well. Dude speaks literally once and never showes their face at all, and yet he tend to be a favourite in the fandom because of how much character the animators and writers gave him through his actions and bodylanguage alone. Not saying Master Chief should have been this completely silent, always helmet wearing character as well, but they could deffenitely have done him a likable character without dialogue.

[@zestlord831]

Well, we connect so much with him because despite he is a brutal badass, he shows his love for Grogu which everyone loves so that's kind of how we connect with him

[@JamesTDG]

No shit. They hired complete outsiders who never played a single entry in the series and thought it would make do for a show.

[@JamesTDG]

@@maximillian1109 Indeed, like they should have did a singular face reveal to toy with the fans rather than "hey, look, chief without a helmet!" in S1E1 for crying out loud (and then progressively have him take off his gear SEVERAL times in pretty much every episode.) 1 more thing I did not mention is that they made the Covies not similar to the damn clergy in medieval Europe, they were religious zealots, completely insane and thought humanity should have been purged because it didn't connect with their faith, but IN THIS SHOW they decided to give an indoctrinated human a chance and SHE HAS POWERS?! That shit made me wanna throw my drink in anger.

[@petiteetoile8376]

This show takes away what makes the Spartans so heroic. The S II's fought and died to defend humanity bc they ultimately chose to. They knew they were kidnapped. But John himself said he was happy he got the opportunity to defend humanity.

[@ross3986]

“This is not a halo show” You’re goddamn right

[@mariobadia4553]

Yeah since Master Chief in the show is not a virgin 99% of the fan base can't identify with him anymore

[@firefly56embers33]

@@mariobadia4553 dude removing the sex scene you take a look at the game and then take a look at the show and you tell me if this isn't anything less than generic.

[@firefly56embers33]

@@zephyr8072 Dude you do realize there's been female spartan in the past that chef has talked to, the main thing that is a major gripe besides the whole covenant human women being a thing. Is that both books the games showed that chef respects the women in his squad. Then you forget that if the sex scene had an ounce of good writing we could have seen some level of chemistry between the two the ideas used in the show were not handled well at all, you make this seem like only children and teenagers made chef the way he is when majority of the lore games books showed chef the entirely of the halo universe that isn't the show.

[@firefly56embers33]

@@zephyr8072 Also by the way if you think chef is some angry person in the games I recommend you check the dialog between him cortana or the pilot or his friendship with Johnson since he's way more than just this blank template you believe he is.

[@A-Rather-Dubious-Character]

It's hilarious seeing people pull the generic "haha, gamers are virgins and losers" insult to justify a terrible show with terrible writing that is OBJECTIVELY disrespectful to the source material. - I.e. Books, and the games.

[@DarkAttackYT]

As a Halo virgin myself, I would never think of Master Chief as someone who would sleep with some chick while not killing shit.

[@zephyr8072]

Yes because real characters do nothing but kill things all day and don't have lives, motives, ambitions and sexual drives.

[@joker_76lol21]

@@zephyr8072 were talking about master chief ofc all he does is kill shit

[@Swordsoulreaver]

@@zephyr8072 master chief is a super soldier with little to no emotion. The most emotion he ever showed was for cortana. He's not a normal character, he someone who was kidnapped as a child and engineered into one of the most dangerous people alive. He doesn't HAVE a life outside of what he does, nor does he have interest in some random lady. and yeah, he basically does do nothing but kill things all day.

[@alexandrite6851]

@@Swordsoulreaver but he removed his chip? doesn't that make him human again with emotions and desires

[@explosivez1096]

@@alexandrite6851 ahhh yes emotions and desires over winning a war to live.

[@vehimouchas9743]

The Mandolorian got away with having a character who never removed his helmet and this show easily could have too.

[@zephyr8072]

Aside from the times he removed his helmet.

[@SuperUltimateLP]

@@zephyr8072 to be fair that's rare...

[@vehimouchas9743]

@@zephyr8072 For about 90 percent of the show, sure. But Halo just removed his helmet in the very first episode and took every opportunity to leave the Master Chief without his helmet.

[@Thousandthsontzneechhater]

@@zephyr8072 after how many episodes and for how long? It's an entirely different situation

[@zephyr8072]

@@vehimouchas9743 Maybe because helmets are boring, especially the Halo ones. They're literally a blank ball with a chin. At least the Mandalorian one is iconic. Get over yourselves.

[@danielbroome5690]

I like that the entire novel series EU for Halo stressed SOOOO often that Masterchief was never the fastest, strongest or smartest Spartan, only the luckiest. The exact opposite of a chosen one. He just had luck on his side and survived. The whole helmet thing was also kind of just a 117 thing. All of the spartans felt more at ease in the armor than our of it, but John especially didnt take it off in most circumstances.

[@TheREALSimagination]

The flash clones replacing the future soldier children is canon, so that's likely why you liked that part of this show, because it's one of the few things Halo they chose to include.

[@manuballi4804]

What makes it worse is that they so much material to work with & they intentionally had to try to make it trash

[@ballsackboi505]

And they did!

[@neverdavenever]

I don't play Halo. Should I watch a playthrough instead?

[@ross3986]

And congratulations, they indeed succeeded in doing that :)

[@ross3986]

@@neverdavenever play the master chief collection yourself. You’ll have a blast

[@mariobadia4553]

Calling it bad is highly subjective because well anyone not familiar with the games actually enjoys it. Several of my friends not familiar of Halo watched it and they all love it. Besides you halo fans just don't like it because you can't identify with Master Chief because he's not a virgin Man Child like all of you

[@Sizifus]

Show creators: "This show is for everyone" Also show creators: "We know nothing of the source material, we didn't play the games, nor read the lore" Bruh...

[@artemisfowl577]

I think you may have also accidentally surmised American politics

[@cleo3228]

Fun fact, in real war time scenarios morale is INCREDIBLY important. Usually one of the quickest ways to raise morale is through food and pleasurable stimuli, its recommended before intensive missions that soldiers eat candy and some of their kits even come pre packaged with it. So in a way, dampening their sense of taste would be worsening their effectiveness lol. Just thought I'd point that out

[@GRAFRU68]

Yo forget wartime... It just boosts your morals to have a hot dinner with roast meat, taters, and gravy and veg and mash at the end of a long day at work.

[@mb2776]

every MRE I've seen opened on youtube had some candy or at least sugar in it. 100% of of them!

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

Among the hormones that thing would have to suppress is dopamine. Turns out, you also need that for a sliiiiightly useful function called: Movement. 😬 In addition to being a mood-based motivator, that chemical also motivates movement & its control, by relaying the will to move (so it can even initiate), & sending back confirmation that the movement was successful (so even with your eyes closed, you can tell that you've moved your arm, for example). It's why physically practicing a skill lets you get better at it over time, combining physical & psychological satisfaction, & letting you fine-tune your motions. Parkinson's Disease is a malfunction of the dopamine system, for example, with both mental but mostly movement/control consequences. And ADHD involves having too little dopamine activity in certain mood centers of the brain (making us chase dopamine-releasing activities desperately), & too much involved in movement (if you're of the hyperactive subtype) or thought (in the inattentive subtype; your attention just goes too many other places at once). Also, why morale is vital: Without those motivating/reward chemicals one usually receives when doing something successfully, the brain goes "Well, we must not be doing anything right, or worth doing. We'll just conserve energy, until we find what is worth doing." And so, it actively FORCES you into a low-energy state. You get sluggish, unmotivated (even anti-motivated), tired more & more easily. Your attention span diminishes. Your reflexes dwindle. Eventually, your system is as depressed as your mood, you lay down to conserve that last bit of energy... & you don't care if you die. In this story, even if they successfully just routed the dopamine away from mood & toward movement (rather than suppressing it altogether), the Spartans really would've just become sad, atrophied lumps of human shape, with no motivation to do anything anymore. Except maybe twitching.

[@mtiernan8773]

@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her I was always under the impression that it didn't outright suppress hormones and dopamine, just regulate it in the brain to extremely tight margins, so that they're essentially always in a "calm, unemotional" state.

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

@@mtiernan8773 Well, If kept at flat enough levels to keep calm mental state, that still can have serious physical health impacts. The levels of hormones NEED to fluctuate in response to various situations & environmental stressors, or systems break down. Static adrenalin & cortisol levels during & after exertion, for example, would deprive them of the boost to strength, speed, reflex, visual processing, etc during dangerous situations (reducing survivability & capability), normal breathing & heart rate leading to insufficient oxygen exchange to make up for the energy burn, leading to dizziness & passing out... & leads to reduced ability to heal from injuries, increase in painful systemwide inflammation, broken muscle tissue not being properly cleaned up, stunted muscle regrowth, etc. The body needs to know it's been stressed, in order to apply extra resources to recovery. Though I guess their suits could inject them with an artificial cocktail of those in combat. But there are countless exchanges in the body that need to be tightly managed afterwards, which isn't very viable. Too little serotonin to produce happiness, along with obvious depression issues, can also lead to digestive & nutrition issues, & all the downfalls that come with it. Lots of other examples are out there, but I'm not as well-versed in those details. But oh well, it's science fiction which is allowed to bend the rules. But this show just has so much lack of critical thought, while still trying to take itself seriously, that it seems more like lazy writing as an excuse to create drama where there didn't need to be.

[@mitchellatticuswolfgang6554]

I get the feeling they just wanted their own”The Mandalorian”, and Paramount was just desperately digging for anything they had the rights to. Without understanding what made The Mandalorian or Halo any good.

[@CreedOfUnity]

Yeah, they also forgot people r losing faith in halo by 343 lol

[@mitchellatticuswolfgang6554]

@@CreedOfUnity I lost it after Halo 4 honestly.

[@CreedOfUnity]

@@mitchellatticuswolfgang6554 lol I’m not surprised

[@josesosa3337]

That makes a little more sense.

[@cataleast]

Just the fact that Mando had Pedro freakin' Pascal and you saw his face *once* in the first season should've been a clue as to how these kinds of characters should be treated. Paramount and the Halo show creators dropped the ball right from the off with the Chief. Like, if you want to emphasise the "humanity" of the character, WRITE THE CHARACTER BETTER. We don't need to see someone's face to be able to sympathise. Hell, with Mando, not only do you see his face next to never, but his voice sounds like it's coming through a speaker.

[@AuroraAustralis_]

The writing team: "So we never looked at the games..." The animation team: "Every one of us EARNED Recon"

[@Aredel]

The production team: "Wait, we're supposed to paint *all* of the props?"

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@Aredel the prop team: “it takes place in 2552? Fuck it, Fords and AKs!”

[@marvinthomas9897]

@@Slender_Man_186 to be fair, if civilization is still around in 500 years, I believe the Toyota Hilux and the AK will be too. Slipspace travel, beam weapons, capital ships, etc? Cool. Fords still being around? Thats a little too much suspension of disbelief.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@marvinthomas9897 yeah, it is, Halo is further removed from the present day, than we currently are from the Napoleonic Wars.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@marvinthomas9897 because gameplay... the unsc can't evolve.... plasma and beam weapons for the enemy but the good guy's still pew pew(supposedly uses caseless ammo but still have casings that fly out)... serious humanity should have lost... badly

[@AidenAlias]

Whats weird is cortana and chief’s dynamic from the games would have been great for tv. Give chief few lines and more to cortana shes the “human” element of the 2 and chief is the “machine” She can pop up anywhere being a hologram and with the helmet and her being an AI you can just have whoever talk and you dont have to show any faces or anything if need be.

[@TOONYBOY]

They would never even have to show her physically outside of one or two scenes prior to her installation into Chief's suit. She's literally just a voice for most of the 1st game, and for large portions of Halo 2. Halo 3 barely had her in it minus a couple of glitches in Chief's suit and Halo 4 was the exception, with her face being shown in Chief's visor whenever she spoke

[@royshavrick]

I hope they have some asspull where cortana controlling chief isn't fully happening and chief is back to his emotionally inhibited state or some insanely dumb shit like that. God this is so bad how tf do you even fix this show.

[@koreancowboy42]

​@royshavrick you don't fix it. You dump it in the trash and re write the show properly

[@ringinsyn]

You understand Halo, the show runners have no clue

[@Beriothien007]

The fact that they called the city on planet Reach, "Reach City" is one of many things that pissed me off in this show. They gave us Reach to try and hang above our heads like a big brother taking our favorite toy, "lOoK, wE cArE aBoUt FaNs". Instead, a better way would be to use the actual name, New Alexandria. And maybe have actual fanfare, like an interaction with Noble Team, or at least Carter-A259. Hell, even a pelican flying over Sword Base would suffice. But alas, like many franchises and brands these days, they don't care about their fan base. Additionally, both Miranda, and Jacob Keyes, were ignored as original characters. Race swapped as with every beloved character. They botched the uniform design, ditching the uniforms given by Bungie in Combat Evolved. They also ignored the armor sets and the already established Mjolnir generations. He is in the Halo Infinite armor, Mjolnir Mark VI Gen3, while in this time he should be in his Mark V armor. I can't believe 343 allowed this shit show to not only get beyond storyboarding but CLEAR A SECOND SEASON! This disappoints me to no end. The first season made me want to douche my ass with bleach and drink the runoff. A second season will make me actually do it.

[@TheResilient5689]

It’s bad enough that 343 already messed up the franchise. Let’s not disrespect Noble Six or his team any further because Paramount would’ve completely ruined them too just like they did with Chief.

[@miguelvina7188]

Reach City?? Why not New Alexandria?

[@Beriothien007]

@@miguelvina7188 thats my entire point. Congrats on reading

[@Enaccul]

I can't like your comment cause it's at 117. But we'll said

[@xRxFRACTURExRx]

It's sad because there's even lore-based reasons to leave the helmet on 90% of the time. In several of the books, it's mentioned that a lot of spartans, even more specifically John, don't like taking their armor off because they felt like freaks after their initial reception by the public/other military as well as being pretty seriously emotionally scarred from their physical augmentations at childhood and that whole bag.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

They’d also have some major physical damage, out of 100 people 30 survived the augments.

[@robertwiesner6825]

@@blizzardgaming7070 they had roughly 150 kids and around half of them made it

[@triplemoyagames4195]

@@blizzardgaming7070 Physical damage? Wouldn't surviving the augments ensure they have these superhuman capabilities? it's just the process itself is hard on the body

[@blizzardgaming7070]

@@triplemoyagames4195 physical damage, as in the scars created by augments like the reinforced bones.

[@Aredel]

And the whole "not wanting to get shot in the head" bit.

[@Strafprozessordnung]

I love when you said "I loved the part with the children being replaced by clones" which is one of the few actual Lore pieces in the show

[@sorrenblitz805]

Thats the one thing they got right. Then they immediately screwed up by wiping the Spartans' minds cause in the actual lore John and the others always knew they were kidnapped by the military and told why and accepted it. Master Chief always remembered his childhood.

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

MOST of the show is lore.

[@sorrenblitz805]

@@WhatDoesEvilMean yeah after it got ground up into a turd sausage by the local poop-smith. Pretty much all of the lore they do use they butcher.

[@CyberLou]

@@WhatDoesEvilMean It's lore alright, for a disappointing generic sci fi show that has nothing to do with the Original series.

[@calciumclansoldier1351]

​@@WhatDoesEvilMean Ha,man what's it like to think this show is cannon.

[@luckyowl10]

The main theme of this show is “Don't think about the plot, just pay the subscription monthly!”

[@stephensmith7327]

I got Bevis and Buthead for that

[@sexylazercatwizard]

@@stephensmith7327 shame

[@degeneratequail1267]

It takes a daring man to sail the 7 seas, but I believe that one day, you too, can become a captain.

[@luckyowl10]

@@degeneratequail1267 “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.” Gabe Newell would agree that this way of releasing shows is the worst way possible.

[@Carlos-ui5dx]

@@degeneratequail1267 not even worth the time to pirate it tbh

[@animalhalo5984]

Halo lore actually mentions that the suits upgrade their reaction times and reflexes. Having the whole suit on became like a home comfort for spartans. They got used to easily communicating with their teams, the HUD as well as just the feeling of being inside of it. I believe the helmets also are required to aim any weapons because the suit links with the firearm to project a crosshair

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

Also the augmentations on Spartan 2s are super dangerous leaving some crippled, nearly coma ridden and at best extremely screwed up reflex wise

[@Lrofmaulol]

Mjolnir is not complete without the helmet because of the neural interface, taking it off immediately tanks their potential by quite a lot. Or at least, it's supposed to.

[@NainoLoL]

@@Potato_Tomato-od2lz yeah literally half of the kid subjects either died or got crippled enough to be unable of serving in battle after they got enhanced

[@ironconman7668]

I really agreed with Elvis when he said that when they tried to make Halo for everyone, they made it for no one. This pattern can be seen for many franchises. Companies just need to stop taking franchises that have a fanbase already and trying to change it to bring in more people from other fanbases, 9 times out of 10 it ruins the franchise for everyone, especially for the original fanbase because the formula that made them love that franchise is gone. Stick to the formula that works and that made Halo successful instead of trying to warp it to invite the larger masses, it ruins Halo! Also, great video Elvis.

[@mariadocarmosobreira8323]

NO, they're not trying to bring in people form other fanbases, they're trying to bring in normies, and they are incapable of learning form their constant (because not only do they have no self-criticism skills, but also live in ball-licking bubbles were everyone praises them endlessly), so they keep doing the same thing over and over again and blaming the fans for their failures, the only ones who could not only bring them profits, but also bring in normies for them.

[@xiniks]

@@mariadocarmosobreira8323 I mostly agree with you, but normies is such a stupid word.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@mariadocarmosobreira8323 Agree, you need to show the people what's going on while having moments that aren't from the games. The two sonic movies do this quite well.

[@wintermoon7003]

No, they are trying to make this interesting for people who aren't familiar with the franchise. I don't see anything wrong with thay if it was done well. And if it was done well, it could bring people in to try to play the game for the first time if they loved the show. That's how I got into Lord of the Rings. I watched the movie first and now I'm asking for the books because I crave more content and while the movies are well done, I just felt like there was a lot more that WASN'T put into them that made me want to seek out the books.

[@DarrenSmith-j8m]

Battlefield 2042 tried to appeal to kids who liked Fortnite and war zone with the hero’s and goofy characters abut ended up appealing to no one cause those kids aren’t going to buy a $100 game for a series they don’t care about and people who like battlefield aren’t gonna play a bad battlefield game

[@joshuaa7266]

The Spartans might not have a code to never remove their helmet, but it's an exceptionally dumb decision to remove it in a combat zone. Even a Spartan can't survive a round to the head without armor. Add in the HUD and other features and there really aren't any reasons to take off your helmet if there's even a small chance for an enemy to be around.

[@iamcool544]

They sleep in the armor. The Spartans in the books are said to be like pale cave creatures who have never seen the sun because they never take their armor off. It doesnt need to be charged, it doesnt need to be cleaned internally. They never go over where the poop and stuff go but I assume its taken care of someway.

[@zaer-ezart]

@@iamcool544 Yup, they don't have a code but they still never remove the helmet. Hell John has kept it on for so long that his hair have started to turn grey

[@YungBeezer]

"Even a Spartan can't survive a round to the head without armor." Kat in Halo Reach was killed with her helmet on, so there's also that

[@joshuaa7266]

@@YungBeezer True, but with a helmet you might survive smaller caliber rounds or low-angle shots.

[@browal14]

@@YungBeezer i think she had issues with the energy shields or they were offline thus the headshot

[@steel8231]

The answer is simple. The studio admitted they didn't even look at the source material... Then like like the narcissistic psychopaths they are, got mad at the fanbase for not liking it.

[@fastmadcow]

Gotta love the good ol’ “we have this idea okay” and nobody wants to say it’s terrible so they just say fuck it and do it. Then it turns out terribly but you are so invested you blame the fans lmao. Fucking hate the creators of this show.

[@xZero9Ox]

You guys love misquoting what the people behind the show said. Not once did they say they never looked at the source material. I think you are confusing the quote where they said they were not going to look at the game's story when writing the story for the show.

[@fastmadcow]

@@xZero9Ox they didn’t though. They flat out bragged they had not read the books let alone probably never opened them. That’s right though we are getting a little over hyped. We probably should just move on with things and forget this non-sense. 🤣

[@bornablagojevic5699]

@@xZero9Ox why would u even defend them whats wrong with u

[@theboard3476]

I never liked the idea of the chip since it inhabits his ability to be sympathetic. I know in the games Chief comes off very stoic, but it’s only because he has to be. I don’t doubt he would follow orders. But John is extremely sympathetic to all people. He understands the role he plays for humanity’s survival. I believe he comes off as stoic because he knows he has to. No other human in history has been bestowed as much responsibility and pressure as him. He his humanity’s savior, he has to have the answers, he’s the one person that literally cannot afford to fail. Also the chips take a shot at John’s character. In a way, he reminds me of Captain America. Yes, the suits, Cortana, and luck help, but it’s his morality and selfless need for human survival that makes him a hero. He’s more than willing to sacrifice himself if it meant he could save people. He’s shown that throughout the games. But with the chips, by that logic, he wouldn’t.

[@hhj186]

Actually the part where John sleeps with the enemy is lore accurate because of how many times he Tea Bags the enemy after he kills them

[@Nolongerhereanymore]

Uhhhh

[@davidshillaker7578]

You don't teabag? @@Nolongerhereanymore

[@mcRAVENgaming]

my man, he is not wrong tho ! hahaha

[@proboanimations]

nah bro you got a point

[@JLWalker101]

But to be lore accurate she would have needed to be a corpse if we want to be technical

[@andrews8733]

Season 2: the protagonist is an elite. But instead of pursuing the great journey, he's just chillin and talking with some grunt.

[@Calebe428]

Its the elite johnson hugs in halo 1 legendary ending

[@JamesTDG]

Would be better than what we got in the last 5 years

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@Calebe428 what if... that was the arbiter..... hmmm

[@CreamTheEverythingFixer]

So like that Grunt and Elite on Sanghelios in Halo 5,

[@chaskomant3704]

letterkenny: Halo edtion

[@kvanderessen4734]

Why is it so hard for these producers to just get someone who’s PLAYED THE GAME. Same goes for resident evil. It’s really getting sad

[@NefariousKoel]

Because all the stuff you love from the past needs to be remade with their new vision. The Orwellian trend in recent years, and it's all resulted in trash.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@NefariousKoel they’re turning the old world literature into new world literature

[@TalentCaldwell]

@@NefariousKoel ​ That approach to adaptations isn’t a recent thing, it’s always been the thing. That’s how the “video games make bad movies” narrative began with such “faithful” 1990s adaptations as THE SUPER MARIO BROS, DOUBLE DRAGON, and STREET FIGHTER. Or movies based on comics or novels that are also SOOOO different from the source material. Sometimes good (THE SHINING, THE THING) but often bad (STEELE, JUDGE DREDD, BATMAN & ROBIN). This is why something like the success of Kevin Feigie’s MARVEL productions were so perplexing to studios (and still is somehow) since he is OBVIOUSLY a big and knowledgeable fan of the comics he adapts.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Because they don't want to. Gaming/gamers are the boogey-men of the Hollywood twitter mob, and so producers don't want anything to do with them in fear of being cancelled. However, they also want the built-in brand-recognition that comes with these juggernaut gaming franchises to make money with, so they take the license, put in enough virtue signaling and diversity-hires to ward off any complaints from the twitter-crowd, then hype it up how they've updated and improved the story for current year. It's not incompetence, it's just being incredibly cynical and calculating.

[@SunshowerWonderlab]

The same thing happened with monster hunter

[@Killjoy0329]

Just a quick note. In my college, yes not even real world yet, the professor stresses that we have to pick an audience for our brand. It’s extremely difficult to please everyone, most brands start out targeting a specific audience then they expand. What the halo show maker did was not focusing on a specific group. They literally tried to attract everyone, from the fans, minorities, LGBTQ communities, young, old. And with that the message gets extremely confused and distorted Also the locations used in the shows are from the novels, and the stories that took place involving those places are amazing. Which is one thing I don’t understand, they could’ve literally just adapted it from the book, and the location will make much more sense and has more emotions connected to it

[@dwsg1990]

Also not only was Cortana meant to give instant battle info and data, she was built as a code breaker, she was the most advanced hacking software ever designed yet in this its like she couldn't hack a potato

[@globeparasite9381]

And because Halsey is mostly insane Cortana can also easily break into every human Administration including the ONI

[@halinaqi2194]

The games make use of this all the time, to cortana breaking into the covenant battle net is easy, which was why it was interesting to hear her say it was difficult to stop the keyship from launching off high charity. She was fighting a portion of mendicant bias, and forerunner ai are on another level.

[@CyberLou]

@@halinaqi2194 I don't even think the showrunners know that Cortana is a Forerunner AI.

[@DMGSL]

@@CyberLouNo, Cortana is a human AI, based off Dr. Halsey. It’s literally said in H4 that Halsey made her. Don’t know where people get this crap but it gives me the biggest migraine whenever I see this.

[@Oscar-b5b4x]

Elvis: “I’m going to refer Master Chief as John from now on. Because he’s not Master Chief, he’s just John in this show.” *Everyone liked that*

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

john cheeks

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@flamestoyershadowkill Master Cheeks.

[@antogno4625]

Johnny Rings

[@nostrADAMus_95]

John Halo, or Master Cheeks

[@torvasdh]

I hate the idea of "chosen ones" compared to the games idea of all of humanity being the reclaimers. It's so weak

[@brysonkuervers2570]

Exactly, fucking Ref if he was in a game and captured would’ve been able to activate the Ring if they had. EVERY human is able to activate the Artifacts, the Covenant just didn’t know it until 343 Guilty Spark told them

[@brianfix3292]

Idk why but the thing that really pissed me off was them calling it Reach City, when the architecture is obviously taken from New Alexandria from the game- the actual major city on Reach

[@farli]

I read someone describe the TV show as "the writers and producers couldnt get the license for Mass Effect, so they just did a ME story with the Halo IP instead and hoped no one would notice." and it feels continuously true every time I watch reviews and recaps. I salute you for shouldering the pain for the rest of us.

[@bellcurve0]

Even had mass effect like soundtrack during non action/civilian scenes. Lol mass effect by way of halo is on point. Sad master chief sounds.

[@TheSleepiestPlurals]

omg you're totally right

[@balsasjekloca9308]

It feels more like this show wanted to be The Expanse, they even got Burn Gorman to play literally the exact same character he did on that show

[@TOONYBOY]

I've played a lot of Mass Effect but haven't seen this show (nor do I want to). In what ways is a similar to Mass Effect?

[@TOONYBOY]

Saying that though, it is funny this show is compared to ME of all things, since there were many times in ME2 where Commander Shepherd did cool pose shots and I just had to say "Shepherd! Stop acting like Master Chief!"

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

In the aminated Halo anthology- can't remember the name- I recall a story where a silent Spartan leads a hotshot special forces group on a mission to assassinate a Prophet. SF is there to back up the Spartan, but they keep getting their asses saved by this stoic badass in a giant suit of armor. The Spartan never says a word through the whole episode. At the end, after sacrificing their own life to make sure the mission succeeds, the Spartan removes her helmet and tells the starry eyed private she rescued to take the shot and kill the Phophet. It was glorious. That 12 minute short was a thousand times better than this entire bullshit show.

[@JamesTDG]

Halo Legends. I chose to memorize that collection after 343 did a dogshit job with infinite

[@ambrosianapier7545]

Yeah a series following odsts with Spartans showing up every now and again would have been cool

[@halinaqi2194]

The episode was called the baby sitter.

[@skulldozer1462]

The Special Forces team were ODSTs and fun fact one of the guys there was Dutch.

[@zalabit927]

Halo Legends is awesome, anime studios know how to make good stories out of western IPs (even better than the owners in most cases). -Halo Legends -Animatrix -Batman Gotham Knight -Star Wars Visions And all of these are antology movies, different art styles and narratives.

[@TheAdidasKnifer]

Master Chief lose his v-card to a covenant spy and potentially lead to the destruction of Reach" That single line should be enough to summarize how insanely off the rail that show is.

[@zephyr8072]

EW MASTER CHEF LIEK GURLS AND ISN'T UNSTOPABLE BADAS EW EW EW MASTER CHEF IZ INVCIBAL AN CANT BE STOP BY ANYTHING HE IS PRETTY COOL GUY AND KILLS TEH ALIENS AND DOESNT AFRAID OF ANYTHING. This is what you sound like.

[@vikauru]

@@zephyr8072 Dude stop replying to almost everyone, you're in almost all reply sections. Touch grass

[@zephyr8072]

@@vikauru Oh no I'm making a few replies against virgins upset their macho projection character acts a bit like the human they'll never be. Don't project your inadequacies onto me, child. Find a better role model.

[@michaelnettles3059]

@@zephyr8072 He's canonically asexual. And they erased that to make a generic action hero.

[@xleplayVA]

Isnt it also canon that the suit literally jacks off the spartans or whatever wierd ass shit, due to those desires "distracting" soldiers. Therefore chief should never even have those desires as the suit already rakes care of it? Even putting aside any asexuality?

[@cornedbeefncash8967]

Why is no one addressing the fact that in this show a Pelican (an aircraft designed for suborbital troop transport that can travel from close planetary orbit) is some how capable of deep space travel…..

[@PK-Radio]

It’s like they took pride in the fact they knew basically nothing about the games and we’re either way gonna make a painfully inaccurate adaptation Like seriously how do companies still mess this up, you have an audience in the fans of the games which are clearly a big enough audience to warrant a show being made, just don’t mess it up and you’re golden, and it’s like they mess it up over and over The only time I can think of companies actually appealing to the fans is with the Sonic movies and Detective Pikachu and who would’ve thought, those movies were massive hits and beloved movies

[@funnycatenjoyer2758]

with how stupid hardcore fans of games are you could just make an insanely faithful adaptation with a whole bunch of fanservice and boom you've made a successful show all these guys needed to do was beat the master chief collection to buy the game would cost anywhere from 0.00003333% to 0.000015% of their budget they had the money and i'm sure if you're working on a video game tv show at least one of the crew has to be a gamer so just beat the games it's that simple

[@bigandhairyrichard6333]

look at arcane, Riot kept it in house didnt ship it out to an extra company, they used their already existing writing and cinematics team, and halos got some amazing cutscenes, writing, cinematics, all of that, shouldve kept it in house, or at least have the house making the choices yknow

[@davidmarrero9608]

@@funnycatenjoyer2758 Even read the graphic novels and comics. There's ton of halo media there but they refuse to look at it. I'm not knowledgeable on halo but if you wanna know more on a character or story you look up material for them. It's like people who get comic book roles a lot of them read the comic books to practice getting in touch with the role of the characters as reference so the creators of this show bragging they didn't play the games. Shows they didn't care for the project it was just a money grabbing scheme since they figured Halo is a big franchise that they can get money from it

[@diddoinarow8846]

They are also very shallow movies that goes directly for the fanservice stuff and lots of CGI effects. They aren't great, but at least they are enough entertaining to pass a fun evening with friends

[@HenryTitor]

Because there’s a group of directors who want to be famous but couldn’t bother to think out of a story with all the assets

[@ColdSpyderBuck]

If the Covenant were properly written in this show, they would have been wholly focused on the Forerunner artefact and would have considered killing all the humans a secondary priority, just like how they behaved in Reach.

[@surferdude5126]

Literally take the books “fall of reach” “the flood” and “first strike” boom 3 perfect seasons right there

[@persinitrix]

fun fact: The Covenant when compared to humanity are extremely overpowered to the point that they were handing the UNSC their ass in most instances as is evident by Reach. That said they could have been much more OP if they made the choice to include humans into their ranks as many Forerunner artifacts were locked to them as they went left to the 'Reclaimers' or humans. Its the reason why Miranda and Johnson were required to activate the rings and why the Covenant couldn't do it themselves. That said the stupidity of the Covenant having a pet human in their ranks and there even being a war at all is so colossally that only a group of lobotomy victims could conjure it into existence.

[@seratope]

nice pfp bro, nihilus fuckin wrecks but yeah, the show toyed around with some concepts that could've been really good if they just had the correct context for it all - like they got "unsc bad" but actually it's a woman trying to frame them for killing people they didn't even murder and not, i dunno, the unsc's *actual* crimes against humanity

[@triplemoyagames4195]

I mean it would make sense that they're OP. The prophets managed to join multiple alien species under one banner. With the purpose being to fuck up the humans

[@tbc1880]

Well the war was because it would break the religion and the prophets knew the rings would wipe all life out and that humans were forerunner. But the prophets are insane and upset they aren't considered viable by their species.

[@Aredel]

Not to mention the Prophets took the greatest threat to their power imaginable, gave her a punch of power and placed her on a giant pedestal for the entire Covenant to see.

[@Slender_Man_186]

There’s also the massive fucking issue that humanity’s mere existence proves that the covenant religion is a lie, you know, the whole reason humans were never invited into the Covenant in the first place.

[@DoggedlyHandsome]

I really don’t understand why they made a show based on Halo and didn’t make it for the fans? What’s the point in basing it on Halo if it’s not for Halo fans

[@darianstarfrog]

Thd mind boggles..it seems to be with every new show/movie nowadays..

[@SpiderkillersInc]

Being fair, most adaptions of King Arthur aren’t for people who read the original books. That being said, you kind of wish whoever made this shit at least knew what Halo was.

[@badasscrusader]

Free attention I guess,because if this was some unique show it would be forgotten 2 seconds after it released but since it had halo slapped on it now everyone knows how shitty it is

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

Honestly, if I had all my friends and family slaughtered by aliens and my “oppressors” sent in super soldiers to save me that would change my mind a lot about the revolution.

[@siegfried1422]

Honestly. Considering the alternative is extinction, I would rather band with the people with organized military and super soldiers.

[@emiloguechoons9030]

Well in the books there was literally a human who bought a covenant glassing ship off of a jackal in order to glass (basically nuke) an entire UNSC colony city just to get back at them for kidnapping his daughter and causing his wife to commit suicide after their daughter was replaced by a flash clone and died shortly after, while the Spartans are certainly the lesser of 2 evils in the human-covenant war, they were still created to oppress human rebellions and maintain USNC supremacy, so the idea of a rebel caring more about UNSC oppression than the covenant invasion isn't too hard to believe.

[@Aredel]

@@emiloguechoons9030 it’s hard to believe when the opening scene for that character - a character who just expressed complete disinterest in the rebellion and Madrigal- involves her entire family being brutally murdered in front of her and only being stopped via UNSC intervention.

[@TenderNoodle]

Or at least pause it for a sec since, y’know, your whole community was slaughtered🫠

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

It would if they actually destroyed Madrigal but the Covenant male no sense here as they don't seem to be annihilating planets the way they do in the games. Not to mention the UNSC was trying to use Kwan Ha for Propoganda and she saw right through it.

[@rabidrabids5348]

I do think that Master Chief in a show or movie should remove his helmet, but only when it makes sense for him to actually do so, from his point of view. In the Mandalorian, every time they removed his helmet, it was done so with the purpose of strengthening his character. It wouldn't be hard to do that for Halo either. Just have Chief _only_ remove his helmet when he's alone with other Spartans. That way, you can show how strong the bond between them is, and how isolated they feel from regular humans.

[@stephenmusic69420]

i’m one of those halo lore nerds and i gotta say i tried to like this show. the first four episodes i didn’t mind as much, since they were supposed to be setting up a new universe, but around ep. 6 or 7 it all went to shit. the plot had a stroke and couldn’t figure out where it was going, characters became the opposite of what they’d been barely written to be, and the master chief sex scene completely destroys all the lore. what a shame

[@grilledleeks6514]

How did you make it 6 episodes without realizing this has nothing in any way to do with Halo...?

[@boopdeshoop9720]

they chose someone they thought would make it cool and woke instead of a person who cared about playing the games

[@bobinasack]

@@grilledleeks6514 I knew we weren't getting an actual halo show before the theme song finished

[@mrloqqe1610]

@@grilledleeks6514 we instictively tried to shut our brains off, as it was intended, in order to enjoy the show. but yeah didn't work out, huge fail, huge waste of time, fml.

[@MapleLamia]

I saw a thread on Tumblr about how almost every aspect of the show would work infinitely better if it was a MASS EFFECT show, and it almost seems as if it was written with that intention.

[@R1ck_Ryder]

Please do not insult Mass Effect by comparing it to this fucking trash fire of a show

[@sorrenblitz805]

No somebody wanted to make their own version of Star Wars, couldn't get Disney to let em use the star wars universe, but they needed a famous IP, paramount said, "Our rights to Halo is expiring you can do that and we'll make a buck too and maybe be able to secure an extension to rights while we're at it." Dude goes, "Wtf is a Haloo?" Paramount says "Don't worry bout it just paint your show with this specific skinjob and you'll be fine." Hands them a picture of Master Chief with a pelican.

[@InitialPC]

they did the hellraiser sequel approach, they got someones script that was meant for something else entirely but went "this will make more money if we slap a recognizable brand on it" like making a demonic horror movie into one of the sequels for hellraiser or in this case, making a generic sci fi show into a halo adaptation

[@gerrya2133]

​@Sorren Blitz So you're arguing the same thing. Mass Effect was created because they lost rights to Star Wars.

[@spikem5950]

@@gerrya2133 I don't believe it was because they lost the rights, but because EA pushed for Bioware to make their own IPs so they wouldn't have to keep paying Lucasfilms and Wizards of the Coast in order to make licensed games. Like they had the rights at the time Dragon Age and Mass Effect entered production, but the suits wanted something THEY owned instead of another company.

[@roam980]

Explain to me how the live action halo commercials are better made than this atrocity of a show

[@angelofiron4366]

They could of started off with the Halo 3 ODST trailer.

[@TalentCaldwell]

Because didn’t Niell Blomkamp direct some of those from the late 2000s? He’s a big time HALO geek and Peter Jackson tried hard to get him directing the movie.

[@PaladinGuy]

@@TalentCaldwell Blomkamp wanted to make a Halo movie but it got canceled in pre-production due to the projected cost and infighting between the studios funding it.

[@unknownwill4th549]

@@TalentCaldwell that would have been fuckin good

[@indygamertag829]

18:28. What a totally missed opportunity to use “New Alexandria” for Reach. Woulda been a bittersweet reminder of our time on Reach.

[@ltworcestershire9359]

The one and only reason I watched this series is because my girlfriend was an extra in it and it was fun to fish for her few seconds of screentime

[@unonumero123]

Cute

[@marquistf1996]

Lol

[@Bigbirdiscool]

Aw that’s nice

[@jorgedeanoperez2997]

Which episode is she on?

[@subsume7904]

You have a pretty cool girlfriend

[@rahulguptahppr]

Halo show was a strategy to make people admire the Halo games more!

[@SegwayBossk]

It's true, while watching this I got the desire to replay the games. I know what I'm doing all weekend

[@Theauu]

It's not like the games themselves are even good to begin with

[@thedawsonshow1]

@@Theauu you’re trippin, I mean halo 5 and somewhat 4 are bad but most halo games are great

[@thevaliantvanguard4403]

@@Theauu That's bait, 100%.

[@bradleypenrith]

Why did they make the Halo show woke?

[@izgoesoutdoors2426]

In the ~actual~ Halo lore, Reth was a Jackal/Kig-Yar who rebelled from the Covenant and ends up settling with humans on the Rubble. So it would have made sense for him to have all of this Covenant information IF he were a Jackal in this show. I guess they didn't have the budget/wanted to make the character more "relatable."

[@pisscvre69]

showrunners "need human look to relate, dont understand alien, what did yoda say? idk he didnt have hooman face, how does my dog feel about food? idk he dont have hooman face, i comprehend little think hard"

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

@@pisscvre69 I feel more compelled watching rocket raccoon than any of the characters in the halo show

[@seanalawine3412]

eh Reth was working for Truth under the table, mostly because Reth did have plans to escape the covenant and working for truth made carrying out his plans easier.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

i was thinkin budget...

[@ChefandTheArbistor]

But why is his HUD orange? It's a staple that Chiefs HUD is blue, Arbiters is purple, and ODSTs are yellow.

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

They probably figured it'd go with the orange visor. Plus it's clear that they don't actually KNOW Halo anyway.

[@jeremypayne5078]

"She removes her hormonal chip, and experiences creative thought." How do they define creativity? It's not just artistic creativity the ability to defy orders. It also includes things like creativity in battle, which seems to be a large part of what makes a Spartan. Helps with the whole "one man army" thing.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

shh don't make sense, what is wrong with you.

[@jeremypayne5078]

@@caliginousmoira8565 You're so right. What was I thinking? 😆 Jokes aside though, I think anyone who thought of a concept like this should've thought of this because it's so basic. And if they did notice and just shrugged it off, they should know that's an awful way to deal with glaring writing problems.

[@globeparasite9381]

As a Halo Fan, I always felt that the solution to the situation the game put me in were always given to me by the game through the environment. Exemple in Halo 3 first mission. At the end of the mission you find yourself in front of a bridge with a sort of small tower above tthe entrance. On the other side of the bridge is a very strong Brute with an Antigrav Hammer (aka one-shot-fucker). If you just run, you are dead, this bastard jump faster than you while swinging is two-handed-death-sentence. But if you're creative and think clever the game propose you two solution 1 : the tower first floor : First the tower will offer you some protection as the Brute wan't really go to the first floor (you will have to jump around to reach it) Second, there's a sniper rifle on the first floor and you can kill the Brute in two headshot with it. 2 : Covenant sniper : earlier in the mission you fought off several covenant sniper, if yout took one of their guns and kept it, you arrive at the bridge with a good fire power to stop the Brute. Btw the use of long range weapon will also allow you to save a squad of marines the covenant took hostage which is a cool reward (if you are fast enough) So basically to be good at the game you need to be creative and use your environment. Even in the lore, Kat, in Halo Reach, a Spartan, is the one who had the idea to blow up a covenant ship using a faulty ship engine using her knowledge in mechanic. Spartans are Creative, they're not buffed mindless drone

[@Gamer_G33k]

@@globeparasite9381 Pretty sure the UNSC and ONI even adopted some aspects of Spartan Creativity. Emiles helmet actually became a standard issue design due to its psychological effectiveness. (Mainly against Insurrectionists, though) And that Im pretty sure they let Spartans customize their armor too.

[@sorrenblitz805]

That's why the hormone chip wasn't a thing in the games, they have a hormonal inhibitor but all it does is repress the sex drive, so they just don't get horny much.

[@priscyllathewitch298]

About the part where Reth knows way too much about the Covenant to make sense: The Rubble and Reth are from the book The Cole Protocol and in that book Reth was a Covenant Jackal, not a human. If they just made him a Jackal in the show his knowledge on this subject would make much more sense.

[@BallPlayer17127]

Yea but in for this show it doesn’t make any sense, at least to me, I don’t see covenant releasing humans

[@priscyllathewitch298]

@@BallPlayer17127 I don't know what you're trying to say. My point was in the book the character originates from he was an alien. And him knowing Covenant culture as a Covenant species would make more sense than "human who spent a bit on a Covenant ship"

[@Seelbach1122]

If it helps clear up some of the confusion around why Reth knows so much, he is originally a Jackal in the books and they just swapped him for a human for literally no reason at all in the show and that's what made every plot point involving his character make no sense at all

[@kinagrill]

If they wanted to do a 'Cortana takes over temporarily', why not just have John either get a concussion and thusly cannot function optimally, or his spine gets either damaged or he suffers a temp-paralysis, so Cortana literally hijacks the suit itself for movement and it's not anywhere near 100% function, but it saves John. Also, wait... John's body is in the suit, but it is someone else 'at the wheel'. What is this, Crysis 2/3?!

[@chanhjohnnguyen1867]

This is what happens when you force creators into making shows and they adapt their preexisting ideas into something “based on” halo

[@hectormunoz9420]

When the series came to an end, as any other dude who thought the series was any good, I went to twitter to see how other people took the show. I was absolutely astonished by the amount of people praising the shit out of the show, but when I asked them why, they mostly resorted to "Show good, your opinion trash" kinda argument. I saw some critisism by people that actually played the game or were fans of the franchise and they mostly thought the show was trash. I'm glad to see other people trashing the show, halo fans deserve better.

[@crestothegecko6279]

if you look around the comments you'll find a lot more people like that. That mindset is what a lot of people have with a lot of things nowadays and it's absolutely maddening

[@mrloqqe1610]

@@crestothegecko6279 you mean the mindset to let yourself get brainwashed into a trash opinion and then just blindly run with it till the very end, regardless of any number of solid counter arguments? yeah it's terrible. feels like people would rather die on their hill of garbage than admit they might have been wrong. idk maybe we shouldn't be surprised, people have always been pretty dumb on average, it's just becoming more and more obvious now with social media and everything.

[@darianstarfrog]

Bots..they were bots

[@rinasakurai8857]

Lol cause you were seeing bots in action. No one with two brain cells to rub together would ever think this was a well written and crafted story. Even IF this was an original sci-fi concept/new story it was STILL trash.

[@WorshipperOfKhone]

@@darianstarfrog hey! That's offensive to bots in general! We don't *Choose* to pander this shit!

[@Kalina47]

Here’s the funny thing about Reth: they could’ve fixed that entire plothole about how he knows everything about the Covenant’s religion if they just stuck to the games’ lore. You see, Reth isn’t an original character made for the show. He’s from the Halo lore. And in the lore, he wasn’t a human. He was a Jackal. A race prominently featured in the Covenant’s military force that would know about the Covenant’s religion, even if they didn’t believe in it since they were motivated by money. That way, Reth’s reason for going to the Rubble would make more sense since they’re also a band of pirates.

[@browal14]

i don't think they had the budget for more then the elites

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

@@browal14 nah they probably did they Just didn't WANT to.

[@samlund8543]

@@browal14 They have Jackals featuring prominently in Episode 5 though, and Reth is only in that one scene, so I don’t see how money could be the only cause

[@artistanthony1007]

@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 This basically.

[@maximillian1109]

Of course they made the originally alien dude into an african american!xD

[@thehudsonforge71]

As a dude with a ponytail and a halo costume, I can confirm it does not work.

[@jacobchristopher211]

Master chief is one of the most badass characters in gaming, but this show just screwed him over and never should have taken his helmet off.

[@thegooddinggleberry]

Never ever take off his helmet.

[@jacobchristopher211]

@@thegooddinggleberry exactly

[@arx3516]

Never taken off the helmet? Hell no! Spartans aren't mandalorians. It depend on the situation, if Chief is on mission of course you maje it wear the helmet, but if there's a scene where he's reporting to superiors at a base you make him wear his service uniform. Having Chief wear his Mjoulnir armor while sitting in a colonel's office is just as dumb as having him remove tye helmet while standing in a hostile zone.

[@basiliska]

my boyfriend loves halo and was so excited for this show. he read the novels and played all the games and tried to watch the whole show, but stopped after the first few episodes. i’m not much of a halo fan myself, but i was really sad to see him so disappointed :(

[@erikknudsenmork4536]

We are all disepointed.

[@ImmortalDreamEntertainment]

I can already tell you’re a great girlfriend. Your man’s extremely lucky.

[@cherryyrat]

@@ImmortalDreamEntertainment bare minimum 💀

[@noble501st4]

Top girlfriend material I hope you do have a happy life

[@nickelbrickell]

Boo hoo to your pansy boytoy?

[@tankedwarthog6424]

The biggest issue is they had the perfect story to adapt in the form of The Fall Of Reach it was so perfect to be adapted into a tv show. The way the book is set up it goes from childhood to the first game just following Master Chief and towards the end just before the big conclusion of the book we get a view from Captain Keys just for a chapter and he does some crazy shit to help boost the marol of the entire UNSC that alone would have made a great intro to an episode or a great episode in itself.

[@joshuaa7266]

They also could've gone all-in on the independent story route. Have it be about entirely new characters in a "blank" area of the HALO timeline. Then they woul've had a lot more freedom to use the characters as they wanted.

[@tankedwarthog6424]

@@joshuaa7266 that is actually a good idea also kind of like they are doing now with the books as long as they didn't go completely off the wall and try to conflict with canon

[@xXxLovelyBloodxXx]

The makers of this couldn't even be bothered to play the games. why would they read a book about it 😢😢😢

[@madscientist9254]

The fall of Reach or Contact Harvest, both would have been much better than what we got

[@browe091]

When I heard about the show I figured it would follow the fall of reach as well. Does such a good job showing how and why the Spartans came to be and showed how terrifying the covenant are.

[@GEMINIEARTHWALKER]

I can't believe they actually produced a second season, lol. I smell a tax write-off

[@Mooncakez69]

This man is a legend, sacrificing 9 hours just for a review for us

[@mariuszpudzianowski8400]

But still shilling for shitty stuff like Raid. I'm really dissapointed, my opinion of Elvis plumetted

[@therealpuzzlecube3123]

@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 eh, everyone's done it, they need the money, at least it was timestamped, skip it. I get annoyed by it too but you have to acknowledge that when you're making videos like these, you spend a lot of time and money actually making a video. You get 0 money from ads these days anyway, it genuinely is the only way to get any sort of money aside from merch or patreon. It's either take the sponsor or have a part time job to make ends meet in the cases of many people.

[@ohiyoresident]

@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 the majority of KZbinrs get copyright claimed so they lose all the money you think they make because of music, a clip, or something they say that’d make a company want to take down a video, ads are one of the only ways to make money when they’re copyright claimed. If he reviews movies and shows then I’d assume a lot of companies try to copyright claim him so it makes more than enough sense to put an ad to make a money on a video that’ll probably be copyright claimed

[@jondoe384]

@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 oh no we lost you, your opinion was vital

[@funnycatenjoyer2758]

@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 just skip the ads everyone does these days also with youtube in it's current state of censoring people like phillion and theactman for making criticism mixed with how often youtube demonitizes/age restricts videos for no reason you kinda need to get sponsers on most videos in order to keep up a steady income you can't just be a kids channel anymore to gain the big bucks after the coppa stuff and you can't just make mature content after the whole adpocalypse stuff so in order to actually make money you need to stick somewhere in between and pray the algorithm didn't wake up on the wrong side of bed that morning sponsers are the only guaranteed way to make money on youtube anymore TL;DR is that youtube hates it's creators so we just have to put up with the consequences of that

[@Chiefs_fan1595]

I feel like sense of smell would be pretty damn important for a soldier to have. "Does it smell like gasoline?" "I don't know I can't smell."

[@AllieBee00]

Laughed in a restaurant reading this. How the fuck did writers not think of this??

[@colbunkmust]

Honestly, Kwan is one of the worst written characters I've ever had the displeasure of watching and it's all due to the writing. Even halfway through the first episode, there were serious red flags. Like, wtf, why would you threaten and attempt to black mail the UNSC, whose soldiers just saved your life and showed you the alien threat attempting to extinguish humanity, to falsely accuse them of the deaths that you clearly saw were due to the Covenant. It's like she was trying to sabotage her planet's existence while simultaneously trying to win a Darwin award. MC's biggest mistake was not spacing her right then and there. I'm so glad I only wasted time watching the first five episodes and cut my loses.

[@stephensmith7327]

That could have worked if it was a negotiations tactict to tell the truth, because I can understand not wanting to give the UNSC a Glowing Recomendations given what they've done before and the fact they arrived late. Because if they saved most of my village, I'd be fucking thankful. If I'm the only survivor and we're at war, I'm gonna be thinking they waited until we where dead before shooting the aliens.

[@colbunkmust]

@@stephensmith7327 Except, there was no attempt at negotiations, she just threaten them by stating she would lie and didn't attempt to list any demands, just like a petulant toddler. If they want to make her character into an idiot then fine, but don't expect the audience to empathize with her dumb decisions, which she constantly keeps on making over and over again in later episodes. At best she was a one episode character. Also, the UNSC didn't arrive late. They were never requested to help. Despite that, they arrived minutes after the Covenant ship landed on the planet, that's better response time than many police departments, especially since that compound was located in the middle of nowhere. The fact that anyone survived was a testament to their decisiveness of action. Apparently Kwan is too stupid to understand that.

[@uhoh6706]

No disrespect for the actor but gosh she wanted to make me jump in a pit of fire due to how dumb she was. Makes me mad knowing someone got paid big bucks for writing those horrible lines for her

[@Dravianpn02]

For the same reason She Hulk, Mulan in remake, Rey and Ms Marvel act and are the way they are.

[@colbunkmust]

@@Dravianpn02 Perhaps, but all of the ones you mentioned are nowhere near as obviously idiotic. In fact, I'd argue that Mulan and Rey are too far in the opposite direction; too OP to have an opportunity for decent character development.

[@JuarezCall]

Here’s a quote i like “If you try to market to everyone, you end up hooking no one.”

[@danielwinch2986]

Thank you for risking your sanity and giving us a synopsis of the whole series. I for one couldn’t make it past episode 4.

[@darianstarfrog]

That's an effort!!! Wow!

[@Mobius_118]

There's a reason you enjoyed the point about the Spartan kids being replaced with clones: Because that's one of the few points that lines up with Halo's actual lore.

[@betrayfate9772]

The absolute worst part is the fact that Makee's character doesn't make sense because all humans were kill on sight and not a single one would've been able to join the Covenant

[@Aredel]

No. The worst part is that Makee’s existence completely derails the entire plot from the games. The whole reason the Covenant set out to exterminate humanity is because the Prophets learned that humans were the true inheritors of the Forerunners, not them. Thus, they started a holy war against humanity to maintain their power. So why in Zeus’ butthole did they go to war in the show? It’s clearly not a holy war, otherwise the Prophets would never in a million years choose to uplift Makee into a supposedly powerful figurehead like she is in the show.

[@tntproductions1996]

@@Aredel I'm willing to bet that in this show it was the humans who declared war on the Covenant first.

[@JamesTDG]

Indeed. I pointed this out to my dad, and he literally said this "well, this is not supposed to be the games, so shut up". BOTH of us are nerds of the Halo franchise, though I guess my dad leans more towards the jocks tbh.

[@JamesTDG]

@@tntproductions1996 I'm putting 40 down on that bet

[@RitzStarr]

Hilariously one of the few things you liked, how they replace the taken kids with clones was one of the incredibly few things they didn't just pull out of their ass. Halo Legends has an entire episode about it. It's very interesting.

[@solid244]

They really made sure to alienate a wider audience

[@GumshoeClassic]

You know.... I'll admit I was somewhat reveling in the Schadenfreude watching my bud who's a huge Halo fan suffer through this. Then I went through the live-action FMA and realized that Karma does indeed exist.

[@alreadyblack3341]

And unlucky fuckers like me have to suffer through both.

[@SwickedOne]

In terms of the “chosen one” type stuff, it is KINDA canon. But basically if you have any trace of ancient human “Lord of Admirals” DNA (which in the games is apparently A LOT of people) are the only ones who can activate forerunner technology. The show just made it seem super rare when it really isn’t.

[@andrewmeyer3599]

All of Humanity can access Forerunner technology, all of Humanity was granted the Mantle of Responsibility, not just 3 people

[@jeffplissken8996]

More than anything I’m pretty sure that DNA you’re referring to is what made Halsey pick the Spartan-IIs out of the rest of the population, Chief just happened to be the one Spartan-II available for the Librarian in Halo 4 for example. But some shitty show made it more of a Star Wars/Harry Potter point.

[@SwickedOne]

@@jeffplissken8996 oh yeah the show made it a chosen one thing and its so overdone and cliché. I can’t imagine anyone watching it and NOT rolling their eyes at it.

[@purplesamurai5205]

Yeah in the games all of humanity were chosen ones, which was supposed to represent how anyone could be the Master Chief. I'm not entirely convinced the show could get this right even if they tried.

[@ganargxkraken]

343 lore from halo 4 is garbage

[@charleshorseman55]

21:09 The lazy goofy writers had to figure out some way to get viewers on the idea that the Halo was dangerous. Why not make it a crazy black clairvoyant prisoner in a cage! Let's see how fun it gets when the MOST IMPORTANT TWIST OF THE GAME is that the Halo kills EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. Oh Boy!

[@cm9231]

Even from watching this review, the Covenant really just seem like an after thought rather than properly fearsome villains... It feels more MC is just fighting random skirmishes than a full blown war

[@gelraldoldo5152]

Definitely doesn’t seem like a full blown war

[@Ryan-qv9se]

@@gelraldoldo5152 severe lack of Chief vs Elite 1v1 fist fights winding up into a wrestling match, ending with a punch through the elite's mouth out the back of his throat. or something like that.

[@joshuaashton1929]

Even with your highly entertaining commentary, this show is still putting me to sleep.

[@bootsthecat6718]

"that's why they didn't have him remove his helmet, because they wanted the player to imagine themselves as Master Chief" Man, I just spent the whole game wondering what he looked like under the helmet

[@scottiecurrie7927]

Same, I don't think it's bad that they showed what Master Chief could look like under the mask. But they should have picked up someone that looked tougher than a Starbucks barrista, and he shouldn't have had his helmet off for more than 5 minutes

[@tysmosisjones]

@@scottiecurrie7927 Yeah, no seriously. He actually looks scary as fuck. This guy in the show looks like my nuts.

[@wilmagregg3131]

plus in the books they DO describe how he looks and he essentially looks like Doom1 doomguy with brown hair and superpale skin with scars across his face and body.

[@andrewmeyer3599]

Because that wasn't why. Who Master Chief was doesn't matter to Bungie, what mattered to Bungie was the bigger conflict of Humanity vs the Covenant. They deemed it better to leave him as a husk and give him a Clint Eastwood "The Good the bad and the Ugly" vibe so the player could better put themselves into his boots

[@al3617]

Every time this show comes up, I can't help but remember how well Forward Unto Dawn did the live action version of Chief and Halo. A KZbin series managed to make an infinitely better live action Halo show and this big budget corp. managed to just destroy it. Even the very end of Forward Unto Dawn (spoilers) Fred and Kelly take their helmets off and Chief keeps it on. So like, 343 KNEW not to take his helmet off for no reason, so why the fk did they think it was a good idea to have it off so much in the show???

[@GothPaoki]

I tried to give it a chance and i regret it ever since. My first shock was Master Cheeks revealed his face very early on . This tells me the writers don't understand the character and they just want to push the pretty face actor narrative. My biggest shock though was when we randomly learned what the halo was which was a huge reveal om the game and they gave it as much importance as what they had for dinner. It's only natural that when the creators admit they don't know much about the lore and they're just using ips to push Hollywood cliches the show will fail. The failure of that show is extremely disheartening considering were talking about a game that has sold tens of millions of copies just with the first game released. Unfortunately the show proved to be a dumpster fire and not even the big budget could save it. Fans hated it and i will be very surprised if it survives past season 2. Also note to the stupid random shithead who plays master cheeks. Fighting the fan base because they don't like the shit you're selling never ends well.

[@em84c]

Has he been talking shit online?

[@GothPaoki]

@@em84c during the time the show had just been released he was saying shit like fans need to be more open minded , and that their response makes him feel uncomfortable. His initial post was respectful towards the fans even though what he said was kind stupid but when people started pointing out the flaws of the show he kinda lost it and became very aggro.

[@fastmadcow]

To be fair when you get that invested in something you kind of can’t turn back. I don’t blame him for trying to defend it, but it also shows he’s ignorant to the lore as well.

[@GothPaoki]

@@fastmadcow yea I'm ok with trying to def it even though i disagree with his points his secondary reaction though to fair points was purely toxic. Fanbases have been put on trial by journos for being toxic but when actors do it it's ok. He should have left it at his initial respectful post.

[@rabidrabids5348]

@@GothPaoki Actors usually don't send death threats to members of a fanbase. Don't know if John's actor in the show did that, and don't care to find out, this show isn't worth the time it'd take to find out.

[@Micmag-]

I myself am a HUGE halo enjoyer playing it sense my dad introduced me to computers and to see the halo name being reduced to this is.....just sad.

[@halowars400762]

im not joking when i say watching it felt like the deaths of noble team from reach. we started at 5 people by episode 3 there was only myself and my brother left. we persevered and got to the end. it took us 2 weeks because the show was so boring i had to stop after like 2 episodes every time we started.

[@TOONYBOY]

Your friend: I want to leave You: That's a one-way trip Your friend: Don't deny me this

[@augury2699]

after finishing the show (about 5hrs ago now, just because S2 is coming up) I see what they were going for, I understand what they wanted to do. But it could've been done differently and better. The argument for being helmet off so much is to establish a connection with the character. Also why they humanized him so much with the emotions and the Halsey stuff, also Kai. The more interesting thing to do in my opinion would've been to use ODSTs and Marines to establish the threat of the Covenant and how hopless humanity was against them. Follow some ODSTs everyone knows they barely get enough love for a pretty badass troop. Then when things start going south call in the Spartans. Honestly, following ODSTs in a losing battle on a few planets, where Spartan teams are called in and work with them to establish the prestige of Spartans along with how they are the hope of humanity, I think would've resonated with the audience. Chief being the main spartan saving the lives of the ODSTs that people are growing attached to, i think would've festered some good faith and connection with Chief in preparation for the Fall of Reach. The way the show goes about everything. It looks like the Covenant finding Halo and Reach are Halsey's fault. Chief/Cortana had the opportunity to end or severely damage the Coveneant War effort by killing the Prophets in ep9 and didn't. Chief becomes a 'robot' as a result of sacrificing himself for his team and the mission (which while good takes away from the more horrific truths of the Spartan-II Program.) The show also paves a way for discord in the ranks as a result of Keyes compliancy and involvement in the Selection phase of the SII program. There is so much that could be changed for the better or even just elaborated on. The entire Madrigal plot could be dropped and we'd lose nothing. Makee was a contestable inclusion, but one that in some ways makes sense when you remember that only humans could activate Forerunner artifacts. Also they made Hood sound like your typical corrupt official that only cared about covering his own ass.

[@mr.forest]

This ^^^

[@yoyo7718]

Someof what you said, yes, but makee as a character SHOULD NOT exist. The covenant throughout the Halo series is shown to absolutely despise humanity, specifically because they realized we can just intuitively react to forerunner tech. The covenant do not take human prisoners, let alone RAISE A HUMAN CHILD. Her mere existence is an affront to a major part of the lore that even allows for the story to take place. The only way for humanity to win the war in the games was to eliminate covenant leadership simply because the covenant would never hit the negotiating table because they hated us. The individual races were slightly different, for example the elites Hated being controlled and used and disrespected by the prophets and some of them eventually turned sides and worked with humanity.

[@nathanoliva2484]

I find it funny that the only praiseworthy story beats this show gives us has been already told word for word in the books. Absolutely nothing good came from the minds of the writers

[@mockcosine4479]

Unbelievable I just saw a jackal wielding an energy sword.

[@sorrenblitz805]

@Server Meta a sangheili would never allow a kigyar to wield an energy sword.

[@halinaqi2194]

Yup, if I'm not mistaken its a weapon of significant cultural importance to the elites. Usually nobility or those of high ranking are allowed to carry one.

[@sorrenblitz805]

@@halinaqi2194 cultural and religious. It's more of a ceremonial weapon, and only Sangheili who've proven themselves in battle may wield one and in the games only Black armor, Gold armor and White armor elites carry them (honor guards too but they only show up in Halo 2).

[@halinaqi2194]

@@sorrenblitz805 Black armor, as in, spec ops elites? I kind of wish they kept the jet black armor color in halo 2 from halo 1, it looks more distinct and cooler than the purple-blue color they have.

[@sorrenblitz805]

@@halinaqi2194 yeah I just said colors instead of ranks for those who don't know the lore. The dark black armor from Halo 2 looked awesome especially when uncloaking.

[@MaMastoast]

I'm not a halo guy, but one thing that confused me about the show is that Halsey appears to be no more than 10 years older than masterchief, and yet she appears to have led the initial program to kidnap him as a young child? Is she supposed to have been in a position of power as a teenager or something?

[@broskii8434]

She’s in her mid twenties when she started the spartan II program. John was only Six during his abduction into that program.

[@strawberrylotlizard]

The writers never played the game so they don't really care

[@iamcool544]

Shes supposed to be relatively young since part of her character is she sees every Spartan as one of her children and is the only Non-Spartan that can tell which spartan is which and what their names are even when they are in armor. Like she can look at all these identical armor sets and KNOW that Sally is the one on the left because of the way she moves or whatever. Either way she gets really fucked up every time one dies because of it.

[@MaMastoast]

@@broskii8434 Hmm I see.. I guess she's a very good looking 60 or masterchief is a roughly looking 30 year old ^^ Honestly they look more age appropriate as a couple rather than a mother/son relationship.

[@MaMastoast]

@@iamcool544 I can see that being in the games.. I just don't understand how Master chief looks to be in his early 40's and she looks to be like.. late 40's.. doesn't add up with her acting as his mother ya know.

[@TimPortantno]

Twist: That isn't Master Chief, it's a clone with artificial memories and a copy of Cortana, and they couldn't make a second one after all.

[@robertwiesner6825]

I really really REALLY hate the emotion dampening pellets as they feel like they remove a lot of agency from the spartans. Plus it removes so much potential for their chemistry. I really liked how in books they created their own non verbal communication such as two fingers over their helmet is equivalent to a smile. Oh and the killing their pets part makes no sense with the pellets because it's from the books. Oh and they also blackwashed Keyes and took an actor with totally different physique ...

[@Aredel]

The pellets are completely redundant anyways. The whole point of taking them as kids is so they can be easily conditioned from a young age to be stoic, unflinching and utterly loyal to the UNSC.

[@ichigokurosaki1081]

Lmao wtf is blackwashing? I was right with you until that crybaby shit right there

[@caliginousmoira8565]

i didn't care that keyes is brown cause i was expecting him to die anyway... don't touch my white halsey. all the good spartans are white anyway so we are good....

[@ichigokurosaki1081]

@@caliginousmoira8565 cringe

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@ichigokurosaki1081 exactly 😁

[@Tawleyn]

I feel the need to tell you that the part you found interesting at 46:15 talking about how they replaced the children with clones. Well, that was established lore in the very first book written by Eric Nylund. So one of the more interesting plot points in the show wasn't even written by the show runners. It really just emphasizes how fucking cool this series could have been if they just stuck with Halo's core themes and altered parts of it to make it more interesting for TV. Instead they wanted to be so far removed that they took everything interesting about Halo and replaced it with their "Original Ideas" that were *all* objectively worse.

[@ZoniesCoasters]

my theory for the [Planet] City thing is that they were just place holders while they figured out what city they wanted to use and they just forgot to put in the right city name

[@fastmadcow]

I cannot believe they didn’t EVEN google search Halo Reach city names 🤦‍♂️ They could have at least just called it Alexandria and then at least it’s a halo reference in name. Same with Earth city.

[@designator7402]

That's the one thing I can look past. Maybe not for Reach, but for the other planet for sure. Why? Because it exists on earth. Mexico, Guatermala, Kuwait... Singapore... Luxembourg... All countries that share their name with their capital city. I guess Luxembourgh is a city-state, so that doesn't really count. Edit: Luxembourg is not a city state, talking out of my ass.

[@Aredel]

@@designator7402 Sure that happens in real life, but aren't writers supposed to have a sliver of creativity? This just feels lazy.

[@austinliu6497]

the armor of a spartan requires a whole damn facility to put on and take off, meanwhile in the show they can take it off like its nothing. John talks in the novels but doesn't talk as much as the show, also the covenants hated, absolutely hated humanity, they see humans as cockroaches, so seeing them have a human on their side working as a spy was just wrong even in the novels the only covenant species that would work with humans aside from the elites are Jackles, and they did so because they are originally pirates and smugglers, they traded with the humans to gain intel to kill everyone, everyone including the people they traded with

[@jamestkirk9165]

I went through all nine episodes, loved every second of it because it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion

[@CyberLou]

You had me in the first half lol