The Halo TV Show Is Extremely BAD

[@TheActMan]

So we taking bets on when this video will be copyright claimed?

[@HolyknightVader999]

Just like with Joe.

[@Lu-bc3pl]

u know it

[@Lucky_9705]

Paramount loves striking down shit

[@DetestTV]

within a day

[@artorius4809]

20 minutes

[@NicholasLightTV]

This show is somehow modern gaming.. and it’s not even gaming.

[@TheActMan]

that's a wrap, boys and girls. We got the best comment already

[@jackcolson4745]

_Modern Gaming™_

[@believeinmatter]

@@TheActMan unfair he has 688k subs 🥵

[@Magni-Vincent]

True 😂😂😂

[@arthursantiago2899]

never would imagine to see Nicholas here! What a crossover...

[@tobyroberts6571]

"I tried to sell Halo to a broader audience" "What did it cost" "Halo's audience"

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

lol

[@thundereagle4130]

Paramount be like: I...... I'm the monument of all your sins!!!!!!

[@mr.goblin6039]

Halo's audience was already a ''broader audience''. I don't understand why they needed to change anything when previous Halo games sold well to just about everyone.

[@tobyroberts6571]

@@mr.goblin6039 my only guesses are 1. Like our honoured Acting Male said - they saw the ability of Halo to basically print money and went "but what if even more?" or 2. 343 still don't fully understand what makes Halo Halo and rather than trying to truly recapture what was so good about the older games, they've decided to just try to turn Halo into something else that they do understand

[@benbanned1381]

They tried to sell halo to a broader audience... It costed them halos audience and a broader audience.

[@ShadrackMeduson]

They took his helmet They took his armor They took his clothes They took his virginity Master cheeks in a nutshell

[@Spartan086]

Master Cheeks to writers: “You took everything from me.” Writers: “I don’t even know who you are.”

[@natezrodlowski9986]

Wait wait wait wait wait isn’t the mojnir armor fucking grafted to their bodies from in infinite we see a Spartans a spartan die just from the injuries of getting their armor forcefully removed from their body

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

@@natezrodlowski9986 That is a good question. Halo 4 depicted Spartan armor as being like Iron Man’s Mk 3 armor: you need a set of robotic arms to unscrew the fastenings and painlessly remove the armor piece by piece. I guess the pieces and undersuit are so close-fitting that crudely removing the armor becomes torturous? Not to mention that it was the Banished who peeled the armor off the Spartans in Halo Infinite: they’d naturally do anything they could to make the peeling process as brutal as possible.

[@Kinos141]

@@Spartan086 This needs to be it's own comment, not a reply.

[@the_corvid97]

@@natezrodlowski9986 Spartans can take the armor off, it's just a labor intensive process that requires outside help (technicians, robot arms, etc.)

[@owenhartlen3563]

One of my big issues with the show was that John gets all pissy about ONI inhibiting his emotions and covering up his past, but in actual Halo lore that couldn't be further from the truth. When making the Spartans they made sure to tell them exactly why they were kidnapped and that they would never see their families again for the express purpose of avoiding them finding out later and going rogue.

[@darthgamer9861]

you are implying that anyone who worked on the shows read any of the books, never mind play a game

[@zennok]

@@darthgamer9861 When you're adapting something that is well established and is supposedly working with the game studio in charge of the games, I think it's a pretty reasonable expectation to at least know the universe and lore to a certain degree

[@darthgamer9861]

@@zennok oh I agree, its just the show runners already thought it was a good idea to brag about having not even played the game, so I find it perplexing that anyone is shocked that they didn’t read any supplementary material

[@trigfunction]

presenting child soldiers and kidnapping in anything but an unequivocal negative light is simply unthinkable in modern media, and so, we'll never get a mainstream portrayal of the spartan program that is faithful to the actual lore. The moralizing "humanizing" stuff is here to stay

[@owenhartlen3563]

@@trigfunction that's so true I didn't even think about. Actually Halo in general is definitely way too dark for them to release an accurate movie tbh

[@crazyjames1233]

Halo Fans: "They are ruining our characters and lore with this crap!" Star Wars and Star Trek Fans: "First time?"

[@greasyboy737]

Picard season 2 be like

[@Theeight8b]

And Dunes fans: "All HAIL Danny Villeneuve"

[@MrKuger9]

Lord of the rings

[@Theeight8b]

@@MrKuger9 That hurts, man, you know?

[@arsenal-slr9552]

Oh no, deffffffinitely not my first

[@LateNightHalo]

I’m so tired of modern halo making easily avoidable mistakes

[@leviklopfenstein8158]

Next Halo game: Master chief playable for one mission, rest of the campaign is a playable microscopic organism lmao

[@bend.7590]

Aren’t you the guy who endlessly whines about Halo? Weird business model, make the Halo fans give up on Halo then whine about no one watching your Halo videos.

[@nicotin9887]

Halo might be dead for good. I just don't see how they would turn all of this around and it's a god dam shame...

[@ryanmcbride2527]

You mean 343 making easily avoidable mistakes

[@Agora2021]

@@bend.7590 Every aspect of Halo once 343 took over has so much wrong with it, it deserves to be complained over.

[@Midnighthalo]

It baffles me how Microsoft approved this joke of a story. The Bungie-era Halo ads were in the god damn zone man (ODST and Reach had the perfect tone, they understood what made Halo, HALO). I cannot believe how they were able to take something as big and expanded (lore wise), as Halo, and decided to go with a "story" that they most likely found on wattpad. Incredible misuse of the IP.

[@r0b3rt_959]

@@realfarmer21 create yourself some bitches

[@kameronredford7545]

Midnight coming in clutch!

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Every KZbinr who loves halo I am subbed to commented on this video. Must be REALLY bad when everyone I'm subbed to comments on the matter.

[@shademandude712]

Halo 2 cutscenes are better then this whole show

[@compostsmurf5519]

Baffles? Look at the state of most of the games the past half a decade from them, they got no idea about quality control.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

If you told Master Chief from the games that there is a universe out there where he actually had sex with a woman who betrayed humanity for the Covenant his response would be and I quote "I need a weapon"

[@nutyyyy]

He'd knock her head off.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

agreed

[@PrinceOfChange]

g e t m e a g u n

[@ntfoperative9432]

He'd be looking for a way to break the multiversal barrier just to blast his ass into the NEXT universe

[@acetrigger1337]

Marine: w-we have no weapons, Master Chief. Master Chief: fine, i'll do it with my bare-hands...

[@Razatanx7]

“Appealing to a broader audience” with a franchise that was so large that movie studios blamed Halo for loss of box office sales when Halo games got released.

[@hpfusion8842]

Ye people often forget gaming franchises can be larger than movies. Even the mobile gaming industry is so huge that they make more money than movie industry

[@Cairo40000]

The late 2000s and early 2010s was really a wild time for games

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone! ❤

[@EmanAugust]

@@Cairo40000 it was golden age ngl lol

[@gwynbleidd9000]

@@Call_Upon_YAH to bad nobody asked

[@CriticalNobody]

I don’t see the point in making a Halo TV Show if they’re going to try so hard to change everything recognizable aside from surface level elements.

[@chrisgonzalez3388]

Oh hey good to see you here

[@erupter76500]

Ya, they could have just made their own universe. But then they couldn't ride the coat tails of that sweet sweet Halo money.

[@petiteetoile8376]

Yeah...like just make another sci-fi world for the story you actually to tell?

[@TraitorPotater]

Because it’s trash. If it didn’t have the name Halo stamped onto it then no one would watch it.

[@FallenGamerNica]

Same thing going to happen to lotr series sadly

[@jkili4070]

“We want to appeal to a larger audience” Are the hundreds of millions of Halo fans not enough? Who exactly are you making the show for? Clearly it’s not for us.

[@KratosisGod]

343 - I want more and I know I shouldn't They want to make money and the larger the audience the more chances of making money simple as that if they have to change things to widen the appeal of halo they'll do it I can't believe people have so much faith in 343 when they have shown time and time again that they couldn't care less about the state of games at launch and they only listen to feedback when there's massive backlash from the community like the fun glitches that were removed in the season 2 update

[@AimlessJourney]

'We want it to appeal to a larger audience?" Halo was big in the first place because it ALREADY appealed to a broad audience. Duty, comradery, survival, sacrifice and loss. The marvel of nature, life, civilization and ancestry. Curiosity, mystery and fear. Faith, loss of purpose, existential despair. These concepts are so fundamentally human, they connect with everyone of all ages, gender, race or culture. Halo didn't need a colorful cast of 'diverse' characters to make it relatable to a broad audience. Just because you jam it with interpersonal drama, identity politics and 'emotion' doesn't make it more relatable.

[@5RndsFFE]

The show literally alienated the largest possible consumer group, actual Halo fans who if Halo 3 multiplayer was anything to go by, numbered in the millions. Others might tune in occasionally or stumble across it during a wet weekend, but the Halo fans were always going to be the ones to bank roll this shitshow from the get go.

[@jase276]

Ironically the Halo fans are the majority, the ones they want to appeal to are the minority. The minority being people who don't play games and dgaf what Halo is but watch it anyways.

[@8eight306]

They want to appeal to women particualy middle age 20-30 year old women who may not know what a halo is but likes steamy sex scenes in anything or everything that may or may not be legally dubious (*cough you cant clap her war prisoner cheeks master cheeks its a warcrime) Also women are a larger demographic of entertainment consumers then men.

[@GameRelic]

You could have read an entire chapter from the Fall of Reach Novel and that would have been better than the entire season

[@prw56]

For those not in the know, that's the first book. Having read that was the reason I couldn't get past the first episode of this show. Don't know what he was talking about with the show jumping the shark episode 8, they jumped the shark when he took off his helmet in front of a rebel with a gun pointed at him. I wish it was required for writer's rooms in Hollywood to have cameras installed, someone deserves to be shamed for that idiocy alone. Play the first game, read the book. Play the second and third game, and odst if you feel like it. I think the reach game conflicts with the book (the book is better, so just pretend the reach game was all a dream), and ignore everything that came out after that. Boom, franchise un-ruined. Also recommend applying this to star wars, pretend nothing else exists and watch the original 3 movies (look up the despecialized editions), its wildly different watching those with all the mysterious unexplained stuff still unexplained (e.g. the clone wars).

[@BonnerDoesYouTube]

@@prw56 Reach is another perspective of what went down on Reach. First Strike is what went down when Fred took everyone down to the surface, which was already decimated and burned. It picks back up when Chief gets a gut feeling that some Spartans are alive, and it turns out to be true. There's also a comic detailing Red Team on Reach and what they did. But Reach, the game is not bad, and is just another perspective and ties everything up together, because we at the time didn't know how the Pillar of Autumn got off of Reach. It was an entire buildup to that moment. Hope that explains Reach for you.

[@nucleardrake9981]

@@BonnerDoesKZbin One problem with your explanation, in "The Fall of Reach" it's stated that the Pillar of Autumn was already heading out of the star system but turned around in order to assist with the defense of Reach. So if the Pillar of Autumn was already that far away, how did it end up on the surface of Reach again? This is the reason most people don't like the disconnect between the game and the book.

[@ventris425productions5]

@@prw56 I disagree with a few things, yes the bungee trilogy is better, but 343s stories could be reserved for later stories, and with Star Wars please no, don’t spread shit like that, the clone wars is the best Star Wars content, the prequels are very flawed but enjoyable, if you have to pretend any of Star Wars doesn’t exist just ignore the sequels and with reach, I haven’t read the book, but I’ve read the sequel, so I can imagine the book was great but I and many others have more liking towards the game.

[@ventris425productions5]

@@prw56 wait, sorry, what was that last part about cw, I don’t fully understand your point, if you could enlighten me I’d appreciate, and I’d like to apoligise if I’ve came across as rude at any point

[@dezmundtv962]

Trying to sell to a broader audience is like saying, " we are making this show for no one in particular" as the saying goes, when you try to please everyone, you please no one.

[@AUTI5T1X]

@@d27shgu Difference is that the MCU has far better writing, and tries to stick to the source material it's adapting. This garbage, does not.

[@davidwajda5528]

​@@AUTI5T1X Exactly.

[@realfarmer21]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me dawg

[@thibaldus3]

@@AUTI5T1X This is changing. Now Marvel dictates "the source material" and it's pozzed as f*ck.

[@nagger8216]

@@d27shgu The MCU was made by people with actual talent though, key difference

[@sebban0011]

Difference between the series and the games: Virgin Chief needs sex, while Chad Chief needs a weapon

[@MrHoovy-zo7bc]

Don’t you mean you need a weapon?

[@crazedlucidityzero]

Chief, your legacy is being sullied by a pretender. Get your MA5 and finish this fight!

[@paterson90]

Accurate comparison 👏

[@TheRyndiculous]

Why do people use "Chad" like it's a positive? Lol

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

@@TheRyndiculous You know for a cynical person you sure don’t understand it

[@Gandalf_the_Gold]

“It’s ok to branch out but every tree has to stick to its roots”-Act Man 2022

[@Error-ck4jg]

Thats a quote to slap on the bible honestly

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

That's actually really smart

[@paleoph6168]

12:07

[@Unknown-lu4nq]

Hey buddy

[@Unknown-lu4nq]

U were right

[@yuxian20]

I remember the Forward Unto Dawn web series. Way better attempt at adapting Halo. We got to see the society that made the Spartans possible through the eyes of Cadets who were on track to be Military officers. We could see the indoctrination they went through and how they viewed the insurrectionists. They made a planet that actually made sense and then they threw the Covenant at it and let Chief actually be Chief. Sure he was only in it for like 10 mins but they didn't fundamentally screw up his character. Also it's characters weren't complete cardboard cutouts of sci-fi stereotypes. You don't have to follow around Master Chief the entire time. You just have to be in the Halo Universe and let Chief do his goddamn job.

[@ShamSoap]

Forward unto Dawn was so great compared to this garbage dogshit

[@texdoc89]

Yup, we would have been much better off had the main character been a random Spartan/Marine and we could have seen the Halo Universe from their pov.. nope we got master cheeks

[@shaunlevin5081]

The moment the creators of this show started bragging about not playing the games, I knew it would be shit.

[@lemonprinter]

Imagine if the GOT writers didn't even know who George R R Martin was. Its unthinkable.

[@TheTwizted]

I thought they were trolling since in the first episode they were using sounds from the game, memes like the “wort wort” elite etc. but nah the rest of the episodes said screw that.

[@slandgkearth]

Worst of it they thought it would be like bonus points for not caring about the source material, those guys are complete hacks.

[@taipaulsen4347]

@@slandgkearth yeah they need to stay far away from writing, find a different career

[@Mart-E12]

It's like if the LOTR trilogy was made by people who never even saw the books

[@Achillez098]

"We didn't look at the game. We didn't talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world. So I never felt limited by it being a game." -Steven Kane, showrunner for Halo TV Show

[@ric1194]

They didn't even need the games, if they just used the books it would have been amazing alone, they clearly used nothing Halo related while making this TV show bar the costumes.

[@MeatyChief117]

I still don't get how looking at the games would've made them feel "limited"

[@realfarmer21]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me my g

[@willlewis153]

@@ric1194 seriously though. They literally could have used just the fall of reach or the flood as source material and it would have been great

[@genesisishere5]

I don't get why he would feel limited by it being a game. Like there's plenty of good video games with great worlds like Mass Effect

[@HypnoToad248]

"Trying to reach a broader audience" always comes back to bite game and tv/movie developers all the time. Its like trying to make a pg-13 horror movie to reach a wider audience, and it just ends up making the movie terrible for everyone. The fact that they understood how big the halo franchise was and decided to make it appeal to everyone just washed this show into some basic melodrama.

[@Web720]

Companies back then wanted some of your money. Nowadays, they want ALL of your money.

[@_owlz_7070]

Unless you're FromSoft. In which case you do it flawlessly while maintaining the identity of your game. lol

[@inthedeadhours]

I mean doesn't halo already have a massive audience....it seems more sensible to just appeal to them...but what do I know, I'm not some big tv exec.

[@wolfstorm5394]

Ikr, it's like they forget they already have a fanbase, why bother butchering what the current fans already love in hopes of attracting new fans? Even if you get some new fans you just lost a good chunk of the fans that were already there. Take Battlefield 2042 for example, they were saying stuff like "made by battlefield fans for battlefield fans", and I'm like "really? Are you sure that's what happened?" Cuz this crap ain't giving no bad company 2 or battlefield 3 vibes

[@inthedeadhours]

@@wolfstorm5394 my thing is...if you make a quality product for the fans then a broader audience will hear about it and then latch onto it too...game of thrones is a pretty good example of that.

[@helmetongrass1893]

instead of a live action show, 343 should have just partnered with blur studios to make this series, halo 2 looks so good, imagine how cool the series could have been

[@Aredel]

Or partner with the lads who animated Nightmare of the Wolf for an animated series. That’d be epic.

[@owen723]

Literally. So much of this shows action is animated in CGI it might as well be a animted tv show. Blur loves Halo too, it was such a huge missopportunity. But hey, that's just the entire show.

[@N0TYALC]

Stop acting like 343 is capable of making a decent product. They are not. They are incapable of making a bad product. They are only able to make fucking awful products. Accept it.

[@mastershooter64]

I know right! and halo 2 anniversary came out 10 years ago! WIth today's graphics tech they could make it even better! spectral path tracing and what not! Blur studios ftw!

[@GokhanAras-pj1mm]

@@mastershooter64 They didn't hire Blur because single H2A/HW2 cutscene costs more than the entirety of this show's first season

[@astrocolton6448]

“This is not Master Chief, this is John.” Forget that, this isn’t even John. This is Jimmy Rings, Joe Schmo, call him whatever you want, he is not Master Chief or John-117

[@realfarmer21]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me kuz fr

[@colnelScar2]

I've been naming him Asster Cheeks. And the covenant spy Draco Malfoy

[@nofilterneito]

I will now be referring to this show’s main character as “Master Cheeks” because we see them more than anything else, and as a statement about the show

[@Ace56723]

Master Cheeks, his name is Master Cheeks

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@colnelScar2 lol, that is perfect. Draco Malfoy. So tired of this crap show

[@Incognito-gh5qi]

"it's fine to branch out but every tree must stick to it's roots." - act man, holy crap I am quoting this one from now on, genius.

[@Mugetsu2021]

OMG ACT MAN A PHILOSOPHER NOW!?!? OUR GOD

[@Zeta4]

-Act- Philosopher Man

[@IwhowasdatXD960]

Lmao i read this comment as soon as he said it

[@bautistabarabino5821]

The engilsh teacher we all wished to have learned from...

[@TheActMan]

I felt pretty satisfied with that one :)

[@ryanshannon6725]

8:35 I immediately thought of the mandalorian. John Fav waited a whole season to reveal his face. The times he took off his helmet afterwards were very reasonable (bypassing security) and incredibly rewarding (so the audience could see two beloved characters saying goodbye before they parted ways). John Fav did an incredible job building up the emotion of those scenes for a character that people only knew for a little over a year. Paramount rushed a significant face reveal in just the first episode, for a character fans have been emotional for for decades... and it was anything but rewarding to see.

[@tridentgreen3346]

Just. This. Mandalorian did this so well, hell this is a pretty established trope to do. HOW DID THEY MESS IT UP SO BADLY?!!

[@bendak7584]

And then they ruined it with Book of Boba Fett by having him keep his helmet off 90% of the time.

[@gimmibox]

Dredd man. If Karl Urban can go through an entire movie without taking his helmet off, why can't Pornstache

[@MishIssel]

It’s like they made him remove his helmet because they were insecure about being compared to the Mandalorian

[@zTxMeta]

@@bendak7584 we literally already know what Boba looks like. Because he's a clone, a perfect clone, of Jango. There's no mystery behind Boba's face, because his face is revealed any time we see a clone without a helmet.

[@voidwalker6206]

Imagine showing us a scene where master cheif takes off his helmet for a moment infront of arbiter, maybe its a special moment that's once in a lifetime for the elites and cheif wants to honour his war buddy. Cheif is stopped by arbiter with a gentle shake of the head and hand on the shoulder. A moment showing mutual trust between the pair. Not just taking the helmet off for some random moments make it mean something.

[@jasonotto9126]

That scene you explained would have almost made me shed a tear... I love their dynamic in 3. That little nod after getting to the dawn. Him saying were it so easy at the start and the end of the day and how it sounded the same but after the stuff they went through the end to lord hood conveyed more respect in it then when chief had the gun in his mouth. I'm so glad my son loves this game now and no I will not show him the show till he's older. He loves arbiter and Johnson too 😂

[@kalleb92]

"did the show runners not understand?" Yes, they did not understand. And worse they didn't care to understand. They literally said they avoided the games so they could do whatever they wanted.

[@themanman7642]

Bruh wtf? This isnt halo bruh it's generic erotic show on netflux number I lost count

[@basilplushie2534]

No they read the Master chief X covenant Than they decided they should make a show out of it

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone! ❤

[@cendrizzi]

This seems to be a regular occurrence with modern Hollywood. They almost go out of their way to offend old fans of stuff they helm. It’s bizarre.

[@basilplushie2534]

@@Call_Upon_YAH Didn't ask

[@deadaccount87]

"Oh but how could we relate to Chief if he never shows his face!" Well we managed to do it for over 20 years without him showing his face now didn't we!

[@TheBtstephens]

Hell, even in the Mandalorian, his face is covered 95% of the time as is still very relatable

[@aptspire]

Not like the writers would know, they've never even played the games.

[@melontoast2567]

Wait 20 years? Holy crap. Halo came out 20 years ago. I feel old.

[@deadaccount87]

@@melontoast2567 Yup Halo Combat Evolved came out November 15, 2001. 21 Years ago.

[@jon3854]

@@deadaccount87 wow it’s only a month older than me

[@supercopmeetthecop]

The broader audience they were trying to reach were the moms of the people who actually like Halo. My mom for example loved the first season of Halo, long after I got off the copium and realized the show was absolute dogwater, she was still watching it and loving every second. That's when I realized that Paramount and 343 took the fans for granted, they assumed that we'd watch it a love it because we love Halo and instead put their focus on trying to get new people interested, in the process they lost the fans because that show wasn't Halo no matter what it called itself.

[@Nalrats]

Bruh, same thing happened with my manager at my old job who played Halo when he was young and he said he's dad (who's the owner of the store) hated the games he played like Halo. But then he told me that when the Halo show came out, he apparently loved it. And I just remember him being like Dude Why!? You never stopped hating these games when I played them, and NOW you're all "Wow, this is great!"

[@toasty7553]

I wonder if this is also happening with the Last of Us tv show? I know it's FAR better than Halo, but what if someone's relative hates games but then loves the adaptions? Also, I wish it was some sort of rule where those kinds of people would have to at least watch the cutscenes from the original games to understand what the shows/movies are based on.

[@KumaBones]

Master Chief being an angry raging steroid meatbag, is literally the opposite of how he behaves in the game. He's always cool and collected in the game. That's part of what inspires confidence in him.

[@Rexhunterj]

That's how he acted as a child. Spartan Boot camp kicked that shit right outta him. Which is how he became the defacto go-to leader of the Spartan 2s. If you wanted something from a Spartan 2, you found John-117. as an adult, even his fellow spartans looked up to him as a role model because he was perfectly stoic and never betrayed his emotions in his younger years. In the games we start to see that crack because he's emotionally worn down from losing so many people he cares about. I love how the books always make a big deal out of him having a breathe, time to check his gear, he'll go into a roster and mark Spartans MIA if they died, he does this faithfully and believes he'll be the last Spartan 2 standing carrying on their standard and memories until he dies. He's added so many non-spartans to that list, humans he admired, or who he respected for their valiant sacrifices or hard effort. Even Halsey is on his list and he has his doubts about her role in his upbringing. I believe his sentiment is that the Spartan 2 program was necessary, though started for the wrong reasons, it ended up being the thing that saved humanity for the right reasons, so he often excuses Halsey's behaviours.

[@dereksbooks]

Hey, at least this is still nowhere nearly as bad as Picard 😉

[@RedTheVariant]

angry and hateful seems more like Emile from reach. than Master Chief

[@davidgledhilljr71]

Yeah but he quite literally is a steroid using, hormonal enhanced, technohuman. His rage was clearly understandable. He found out what they did to him and his family. Ofcourse he wanted to smash. His struggle with emotion will make him a better character. I loved seeing realistic Spartans brawl, and outrun jeeps! Bad ass. And Kai was sweet. A giant woman with a great female figure and a fat ass. Awesome.

[@KumaBones]

@@davidgledhilljr71 Having a lab using steroids in a controlled environment, isn't the same thing as an individual abusing steroids and having rage fits over it. You're thinking about it from the perspective of a teenager. Not an engineered, heavily trained, conditoned, and established story character. Family? That's the UNMC already, so why would he go into a fit of rage over people he never knew? Might he become more introspective? Could he feel regret over learning of that? Yeah sure, and his own self-exploration, and "search for truth" might be a good bit of storytelling. But that's not what the "halo show" did. Not even close lol. Instead we got "alien sex scene" GGs Even when Master Chief shows anger, it's the type that's calm and controlled. The quiet anger, that plans their actions carefully. So he wouldn't go into a childish fit of rage.

[@vahlok1426]

"Foehammer is so critically underrated in the first game!" For a character who we never once see the face of, I was legit kinda sad when she crashed in attempt to evac Chief during The Maw. She was there pretty much from the start, and was there at the end of it.

[@drakkonahn8544]

Is she really underrated though? I can't think of a single person that didn't like Foehammer.

[@lIllIlllIlIllIlllIlIllIlllIl]

@@drakkonahn8544 Understated* I guess would be more fitting. I don't think I've ever seen anyone bring the character up in conversation who didn't grow up with Halo.

[@drakkonahn8544]

@@lIllIlllIlIllIlllIlIllIlllIl sure, she's not exactly a big character, but its crazy that the ability for her role in the game has left enough of an impact on me whenever I see a pilot in anything I just automatically assume the pilots name is foehammer.

[@Korfman]

In my eyes, Foehammer is one of the most iconic characters in CE. She has like 10 lines in the whole game and she's extremely memorable.

[@Cifer77]

and in the novel she was one of the vital pilots of Alpha Base, the base on halo run by the surviving Marines of Pillar of Autumn.

[@HCG]

I think what really made me sad rage seethe the hardest was hearing the show runners and writer proudly state that they never played any of the Halo games because they didn’t think it was important.

[@PetalsFourArmor]

That was a clickbait article of course they played the games they just didn’t follow them exactly when making the show

[@dredskl]

@@PetalsFourArmor honestly that makes it worse

[@stackflow343]

When you already plan to mutate an adaptation into your personal fanfic, ofc the source material isn't important.

[@hawkeye5955]

​​@@stackflow343 : That's the exact description of Mindy Kaling's self-insert for Velma.

[@PracticalTacticalFedeli]

☠️😑 20+ years …and these ppl …

[@CJ-442]

I don’t get the whole “appeal to a broader audience” argument. It’s Halo. That’s about as mainstream as a video game series can possibly get. They’re talking like the established Halo audience is some sort of obscure cult following or something that’s barely keeping the franchise alive (I mean, it might be after this show and the train wreck that was Infinite’s campaign and launch multiplayer). Also, how the F did this show get green lit for a season 2?

[@Slender_Man_186]

Was* Halo WAS about as mainstream as a video game series could get, all of 343’s attempts to “broaden the audience” over the years have led to that audience bailing completely. That’s not exaggeration either, the stats back it up. A year after Halo 3 came out it had 1.1 million players, a year after Reach came out it had 900k, a year after Halo 4 came out it only had 20k players, and that led to Halo 5 and Infinite’s console numbers being hidden, although inside sources at Microsoft say Halo 5 took over a year to surpass CE’s sales, that Halo 3’s Eldwrito mod had a higher player count than 5 (leading to the mod being shut down through Cease and Desist), and Infinite’s PC numbers are far from ideal.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

12:42 “Make em diverse.” That’s the funny part: Halo was already and always diverse. We already had amazing fleshed out characters, especially Sgt Johnson, who was NOT a stereotype. But then the showrunners clearly didn’t know Johnson existed, because they cast Capt Keyes as a black man for no reason. They were ashamed that the captain of an important ship was a white man and wanted to “diversify” the main characters. If they respected the source material and got their heads out of their asses, they would’ve known that Halo was already really good and diverse in its own right.

[@jesusalonso2179]

Facts These writers are 🧠☠️

[@parkeranimations3671]

It doesn’t really matter. The actor is fine.

[@wolfsden6479]

The good thing is they didn't fuck him up because don't know he exists.

[@nickm5419]

@@parkeranimations3671 yeah the actor for Keyes in the show is fine, its really just a combination of Captain Keyes and SGT. Johnson so maybe this version of Keyes will go on Away Missions in the battlefield w Master Chief, kind of like Star Trek

[@Punkertoon]

The crazy thing is if you take issue with forcing diversity they call you racist. But the same people getting annoyed by the casting of Keyes, regardless of acting chops, would be just as pissed if Halsey wasn’t blonde or Johnson wasn’t black with a mustache. You have the material. Just look at it.

[@keiran5170]

You hit the nail perfectly with the point that , we haven't seen Chief being Chief before he removed his pellet. So we've had 8 episodes of Chief being a whiny teenager, shagging a covenant spy. The Mandolorian did the whole "man in a suit of Armour" way better and all paramount had to do was copy that.

[@Horatio787]

Halo obviously had constant executive meddling bullshit that prevented something with a coherent vision from coming out, it's why it took almost ten years. Say what you will about Disney but they'll put someone they like in charge and the thing will come out well or bad, but it'll fucking come out.

[@bradhaines3142]

mando was a great show

[@Gamma_249]

They are trying to appeal to broader audience, while at the same time expecting everyone to know the basis of this show, who the characters are, etc. Unbelievable

[@VorpalSlade]

@@Gamma_249 it's a very good allegory for the split between helmeted and unhelmeted Chief - the show's protagonist is just as divided as the showrunners' approach to him.

[@grubblewubbles]

@@Gamma_249 I know, it reminds me of infinites campaign. Extremely unsatisfying to series fans, while also being convoluted and confusing to newcomers

[@andyfriederichsen]

This show had two of the most annoying clichés ever: A hero falling in love with a villain (since apparently male heroes/protagonists always have to be horny for female antagonists/villains), and regular infantrymen (soldiers) being unable to fight unconventional enemies like aliens or super villains because the hero is the only one whose bullets/weapons actually can kill stuff.

[@vinnylatoria4478]

Sounds like maybe the show has a tendency to have issues about shoot blanks

[@cloudzack1090]

Idc about the male/female, thats being too picky. Everything elses is just unnecessary.

[@andyfriederichsen]

@@cloudzack1090 That's your opinion, but you still rarely see the opposite happen if ever (of course it would still be very dumb if the sexes were reversed).

[@Dan_Kanerva]

@@andyfriederichsen if the sexes were reversed it would actually be more historically accurate and beliavable , as many female milita f*cked over their homeland for the enemy's shaff . As it happened in the germanic tribe and Roman wars while Placidus was the emperor... or the Babylonian wars against the city of Akut... or the chinese "traitor witch" of the Fuang dinasty... LMAO

[@fosphor8920]

@@andyfriederichsen Cuz they want to make their own fanfic and are stuck with Master Chief because they can't get funding for their sh!tty fanfic otherwise

[@Barrobroadcastmaster]

I was wondering why I saw a DVD of the first season for the Halo show. Trying to recoup their losses with DVD sales rather than keeping it behind a streaming service paywall. Definitely not a good sign for the show but a good sign for consumers... if the show had been actually good.

[@Pers0n97]

"Master Chief lose his v-card to a covenant spy and potentially lead to the destruction of Reach" That single line should be enough to summarize how insanely off the rail that show is.

[@hawkeye5955]

Death by snu snu except humanity gets glassed

[@JohnDoe-ns5su]

It’s like really bad fan fiction.

[@Pers0n97]

@Heavy D Of course I didnt watch it, wtf made you think I ever would watch that garbage fire?

[@tutuadefolalu3661]

Agreed. ActMan hit it on the head. It’s just a generic sci-fi show with a cosmetic Halo skin tagged on for brand recognition. The people who make the show didn’t even play the games. They proudly declared how they avoided playing the games so as not to be “constrained” by them. When will people learn that their wannabe fan fiction literally cannot compete with a product and story that has already captivated millions and brought in hundreds of millions of dollars? You made more work for yourself producing something that isn’t even half as good as the source material.

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@Pers0n97 Consumerist drones projecting their lack of self control onto other people.

[@EnDK64]

“mAnDoLOrIaN sHoWeD hIs FaCe!” Yeah but you know Mando also had? An entire season for the audience to get to know him and make a connection, therefore making the face reveal emotional and impactful

[@Arrowtomahknee]

Mando also gave us a good idea of who he is without showing his face. The combination of Pascal's acting and the stellar writing made for a protagonist who is equal parts relatable yet mysterious. Also Mando showing his face in the final episode of the season was done with a narrative reason. He needed medical attention, and the only person who had seen his face was a Droid who was destroyed by the end of the episode. In the Halo show, Chief shows his face to a random insurrectionist for essentially no reason. Part of me feels like they knew they didn't have the writing to make something like The Mandalorian work, so they had John keep his helmet off for most of the show in order to not have to deal with producing actual good writing

[@pgil13]

i literally came to the comments to say what you just said. it was worth the pay off to finally see his face after so many episodes of getting to know him and almost thinking you might never see his face

[@icecoldpolitics8890]

I feel like this show should have gotten the dredd 2012 treatment

[@AmericanZergling]

Also, btw, Season 1 Mando reveal was well done. Season 2 Mando is where that show screwed up a bit more and showed his face more often than deserved.

[@HeathenMetalhead221]

Also book of boba fett flopped because I think for the same reasons Act Man went over. When I watched it I didn't see the cold bad ass bounty hunter. I just saw Temuera Morrison in some armor.

[@spartan117zm]

Paramount: “When we first removed Chief’s helmet, were you blinded by his majesty?” Fans: “No!”

[@mrplayfulshade]

"It was heresy!"

[@_MaZTeR_]

Noble hierarchs, surely you understand that once the writers attacked...

[@Spanish_Patriot]

Paramount deserves to be glassed.

[@mattlanglois9743]

The weight of your heresy will stay your feet, Paramount.

[@mikelopez5214]

“You’ve drawn quite an audience”

[@fishyfow3767]

They should’ve made the show about either ODSTs, the journey of an Elite Minor, or Theo Vadamee or Rtas Vaduum

[@JTMConceptions]

"Well it's an alternate timeline, so that's why Chief is so different." Okay, but.... why? Let me recap real quick, they gained the rights to adapt a Halo TV series. Nice, I'm all for it. But they decide to not follow the games so that they can create an alternate timeline with a less interesting and engaging plot? And keep the characters from the games, but make them less interesting, less enjoyable versions of them? What was the point of changing anything from the game story, if you're just going to replace it with an objectively worse version of it? Like how arrogant do the show runners have to be to take a beloved franchise, go out of their way to decide to turn it into a TV show, smuggly shrug off the great story the games directly tell them in favor of "smh, Video Game story? Pfft. We can do better than a measly video game!" and then proceed to completely butcher it. It's like the entire production crew decided to take a course in how to create a television failure before getting to work on the Halo TV show.

[@EskChan19]

This. I will never understand why people keep trying to make an adaptation of something and then go out of their way to completely change things. Why not just make a new Sci-Fi series if you hate Halo? Why go out of your way to make a Halo show, but then completely change everything the build-in audience likes about the source material? I didn't understand that with Dragonball Evolutions, I didn't understand that with Doom Annihilation and I didn't understand that with pretty much any Netflix adaptation and I don't understand it here either. If you want to adapt source material, FREAKING ADAPT THE SOURCE MATERIAL!

[@musek5048]

i remember reading those eric nylund halo novels when i was younger and it was awesome learning about the lore and how expansive it really was. he did a great job immersing you into the story and action sequences that all these showrunners had to do was just go with that or something similar but NOPE! arrogant bastards really think their version is gospel or something lol

[@quincycarra9107]

I mean they just made it explicitly clear that they don't think very highly of the material they are adapting for their television show. They got a bunch of writers and directors that clearly don't like Halo. Which just boggles my mind, because if you were going to make a show about an already established and EXTREMELY successful franchise, why the absolute fuck would you try to make it for people that don't like that already established and EXTREMELY successful franchise? If you make a show about Halo, or Mass Effect, or Bayonetta, or Fallout, or literally ANYTHING, you should AT THE VERY LEAST make it for the people who are ALREADY fans of it. It doesn't make sense from a community perspective, and it makes even less sense from a business perspective. Only reason anybody at 343i has jobs is because Microsoft pays their bills. There is no way in hell that company could stay afloat on its own merits, and it's sickening to see it operate like a parasitic entity feeding off the fame and fortune of much more talented people (the original teams at Bungie).

[@TheRhalf]

Also happened with Lucifer, except people actually liked that show

[@musek5048]

@@quincycarra9107 its becoming glaringly obvious that these companies that get the rights to beloved franchises would rather burn it to the ground than allow others to give it the success and respect it deserves.

[@424scout]

The thing that scares me the absolute most, without question, and genuinely concerns me... Is that this is what will introduce new generations to halo

[@z-zum-m3945]

That’s what’s really pissing me off. Like people would now know this bitch ass paramount actor as chief whereas he’s one of the most epic heroes. Like wtf he’s so selfish that he’s even thinking about sex and feelings while humanity is getting slaughtered. The real chief prioritizes the survival of the human race and doesn’t give a fuck about his feelings or other things that would prevent him from completing his tasks… Pure Soldier. Anyways f*ck paramount

[@bautistabarabino5821]

"Wait a second...WHY ISN'T MASTER CHIEF PILE DRIVING THAT COVENANT?¡?¡?¡"

[@kvproductions2581]

nah. not with a sex scene. You're good, kids won't watch this crap, unlike the SW sequels you're not in danger of clueless fortnite kids taking over

[@Rawnblade13]

Not like 343 has done a much better job either...

[@quincycarra9107]

@DZurV I'm 24 too and god damn are you just jaded to all hell. You gotta wonder how similarly you sound to the older generations right now, and ask yourself "did they think they were as right as I think I am?" Times change, it's not a symptom of some grand downfall of humanity. What's old is new again, and what's new will one day be old.

[@blazingstorm9351]

I think the gaming industry should declare an official rule when adapting a game. With the first rule being play the game first: doesn't matter if you're a director, producer, or writer, just play the game first.

[@pandadrug5519]

The key words "based on" literally give them free range to do whatever the fuck they want. Which is a slap in the face to the real fans who now have to get into a totally different take on the story they already loved.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Why would the gaming industry do that when they ALSO hate the fans?

[@kryse4806]

imagine a live action dark souls, and then it has showrunners who have no idea what a videogame is have to finish playing the trilogy. the show would still be shitty, but this time only intentionally, out of spite

[@jrbzrke]

AND read the originating BOOKS !!!

[@Zeriel00]

First rule is don't hire any woke writers from California, second rule, only develop the show in a thousand mile radius away from California. Only then you may have a chance.

[@Nihtly]

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers read a fan-fiction and was like "yeah this'll work!"

[@labaker23]

I finally understand how people who read a book series feel over an awful book to show/movie adaptation.

[@braindead5283]

I'm so sorry. It's not a feeling I'd wish on anyone.

[@dracvich]

And what us Resident Evil fans have been feeling about live-action for the past decade or so

[@alejandrobagg2591]

Facts :(

[@nhagan001]

Finally? Where have you been with Marvel and DC? Hell the Multiverse of Madness is a terrible movie in plot, characters, and motivations, but you see people swearing it is the best thing ever. People this time just can't find a way to defend trash THIS time around.

[@thelaughingjester7537]

First time? Yeah it’s not fun.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

At first I was like "please don't fuck up Thel 'Vadam's character" But now I'm like "please spare Thel 'Vadam from being in this show"

[@north7764]

Supposedly, covie spy girl is the Arbiter. Of course, it’s a retelling(I don’t even think I can call it that, but you know what I mean.) of that character. They literally admit that it’s a fanfiction.

[@button4boy]

Imagine if they have Thel 'Vadam in the show, but don't give him Keith David's sweet, sexy, sultry voice and just have some random dude speaking that shitty made up language... 😱

[@Wedge_Khan]

@@north7764 please fucking no

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@north7764 of course she is, can't have the audience relate to an alien, therefore missing the point of Arbiter's story in Halo 2.

[@WatchMeDrown]

Were it so easy.

[@vampragon4386]

Fun fact: the series director actually *is* a 343 employee so there is literally no excuse for 343 to have allowed this shit to happen

[@matthewknudson8610]

No that’s the problem. 343’s storytelling is mediocre at best, and every Halo they have released so far has been marred with bad PR, bad campaign, sleazy monetizing, broken launches and quickly dying player bases. This is perfectly in line with their history. Confusing, out of touch, wasted time and money for flashy mediocrity.

[@SnailedMail]

Imagine if bungie was behind it instead

[@ANG3LOFDAD3AD]

@@SnailedMail It would’ve actually been good.

[@RainCloudVideos]

@@ANG3LOFDAD3AD Idk about that. Destiny 1 and 2 were extremely disappointing and did not live up to halo at all. The art direction would have been on point though, bungie still kills in that department.

[@bable6314]

@@SnailedMail If 2007 Bungie was behind it, it would have been great. If modern Bungie was behind it, it would have been slightly better than it currently is. At least it would have been faithful, tho

[@Waroftheworldsz]

The number one argument from people defending this show is *"It was meant to be inspired by Halo, not follow the lore or canon."* That's fine, BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE THE NAME HALO?! The Master Chief?! Cortana?! Like bruh, it's as if somebody put their fanfiction in the script and said *"looks good to me fam"* It's fine to be inspired by something, so go make your own show and franchise instead of piggy back riding off of the Halo Franchise. If this show wasn't Halo it'd quite possibly be one of the worst shows to air.

[@MachinaX7]

That argument is actially not fine, it's terrible. Saying it was "inspired" by Halo makes it seem like it's own univerese and setting, like how Splitgate is inspired by Halo but clearly has nothing to do with Halo's universe what so ever. The show is called Halo and the Master Chief is the main character and is fighting the Covenanant. That's not inspiration that's straight up based and set in Halo lol. But it sucked.

[@SupremeMarioGamer]

I can only imagine: what if Guillermo Del Toro (a fan of Halo) was in charge of the Halo TV show? What kind of epic space opera he could've given us?

[@Jstck1]

One where Chiefs evil twin joined the flood

[@Blexg]

Neil Blonkamp (hopefully that’s how it’s spelled) made a short halo film (Halo Landfall) as part of the hype campaign for Halo 3 and it was ridiculously good. It was about a group of ODST/Marines trying to find the Chief after he had ejected from the Ark at the beginning of Halo 3, and it probably would’ve ended where Halo 3 begins For a variety of reasons he was never able to make it a full film, and the assets and sets they had made for a Halo film ended up going into District 9, another sci-Fi movie set in Southern Africa, and it was super good.

[@rileyoakley7196]

@@Blexg would’ve been a much better show if it focused on the marines and odst’s than the chief and Spartans tbh

[@BahhBahhBrownSheep]

Halo doesn't even have an interesting story or premise, it would take a miracle to make a TV show based on it anything more than okay. Somehow this version is still the worst possible outcome though.

[@GrantedBunion]

I think Dennis Villeneuve would be perfect as He's fantastic at Sci Fi. After watching Pacific Rim I don't think Toro would do great job for Halo, decent probably but not great

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Expectations: A more expansive look on the insanely big Halo lore. Reality: People debating whether captain John Halo really cucked Cortana.

[@minedude33]

Akctuallsy 🤓 It's mAsTeR cHiEf PeTtY oFfIcEr 🙄

[@antogno4625]

Master cheeks

[@Eggsi__]

Definitely not my chief, for sure that's John halo/master cheeks

[@Hadgerz]

Watch, in season two the ''''wRiTeRs'''' of the show will have Cortana save Mister Cheeks' life, and he'll realise his tRuUuUe love was Cortana all along, that he made a mistake by desecrating Makee's sacred ring (we know this scene is here to pander to the lowest common denominator). This will somehow be his big character arc and the moment the show's story ties in with the games.

[@delta2372]

How is it that forward unto dawn a show made over 10 years ago a short on halo waypoint to help lead up to halo 4 is a better show than all that money a japanese owned company has?

[@AMoistEggroll]

"It's fine to branch out, but every tree has to stick to its roots." -The Act Man, 2022

[@fcgcdhydfvvfuvyujvhvf2700]

@@aavani4332 imo bot

[@realfarmer21]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me broddie

[@thecomentingcat6280]

@@realfarmer21 you should see the bots on DanTDM videos, like half the comments are sex bots.

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

I don't think people realize how smart that phrase is. Seriously.

[@Jaxter_5.56]

This show could've been a great way to show chief's spartan training/ backstory off. To show just how brutal Spartan II training really was, and maybe even get to see other Spartan II's interact and grow up with him like for example, JORGE

[@farisanwari777]

Damn that sounds awesome

[@HeirofCarthage]

"Why isn't this a show about guys blasting aliens?" Exactly. Don't complicate things. 343 does this with their story in game too. Covenant bad. Chief good. Very simple formula for success.

[@michaelmatthiesen8300]

Arbiter and chief teaming up was a cool twist in the original trilogy. I really dont need to know every grunt and jackals story lol

[@twiztedsinner5885]

It's getting there they had to set the stage lol

[@seanhettenbach2101]

Get woke go broke.

[@michaelmatthiesen8300]

@@seanhettenbach2101 of all the problems with the halo tv show, i don't think wokeness makes the cut

[@s137846]

For real. Halo should be an epic set in space about the fate of humanity. MC started out as the lens through which we viewed that struggle and it’s only chance at resolution. The mythos those stakes set up are what made his background as a child soldier so impactful... it’s the dichotomy of Spartans. Their humanity only started getting explored by 343 in the games once there was no longer “a gun pointed at the head of the universe” in halo 4 and that’s arguably where Halo lost its way. The show forwent any delayed gratification or setup to instead give us master cheeks. Also, people can say the fight scenes are “good” but MC’s style always felt superhuman, but still grounded. Not like an anime scene. He moved fast and with surgical precision. He might’ve punched a hole into the hull of a tank to plant a grenade, but he wasn’t doing unnecessary spin moves and dancing around with a shotgun to shoot enemies he let flank him. He might’ve manually guided a 2 ton bomb in free fall through space, but you’d never see him dramatically matrix dodging a brute chieftain’s hammer because he wouldn’t try engaging an enemy armed with a melee weapon in hand to hand combat. They look like roided up power rangers on the show, not tactical super soldiers.

[@Remorsecider]

Ea: Gets the worst company award. Paramount: *Somehow outdid Ea by literally butchering a legend even non gamers know.*

[@BaconPuncakesX]

underrated, so true

[@childishjarbino1558]

Activision: listen it could be worse

[@A.R.T.4]

@VelktorCreationsMFQ it’s not the whole company, just these specific writers. For example, the Sonic movies were a hit to fans and non-fans with the second being even better than the first. These guys however can’t seem to handle HALO

[@Fadaar]

dont forget Star Trek too

[@hoesmad8626]

@VelktorCreationsMFQ metal gear moviee on the way, directed by the king kong skull island director and with that isaac guy from moonknught as snake

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

Let me explain: They got the rights to a halo show, they knew it already had a fanbase so they didnt think of it as a risk. They gave it to writers and directors who do not care about halo and want to write their own show, but because they're stuck with halo, they have to write their own show within the confines of halo. So they just didnt. Happening a lot lately, Witcher and Star Trek are good examples of this, creators taking something they dont care about and changing it.

[@joster118]

Don't forget about what Disney did to star wars. That's probably the biggest fucking of a pre existing franchise in recent times.

[@FPSninjaFACE]

At least witcher wasnt so hard to watch

[@imtoogoodatpvp1252]

Thou darest insult the Witcher show? HOW SILLY, HAHA, to compare it to this mess they call "Halo", dost thou even read the books?! Thou peasant!

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

Isn't it funny that your comment applies to 343 just as perfectly? Let me explain: They (343) got the rights to Halo, They (343) knew it already had a fanbase so they didn't think of it as a risk, they (343) gave it to writers and directors who do not care about Halo (A bunch of developers who Hated Halo) and want to write their own show (Wanted to make a call of duty game) but because they're stuck with Halo, they have to write their own show within the confindes of Halo, so they just didn't (343 making Halo 4 and 5, debateably Infinite) Applies near perfectly if you swap some movie/tv show based words to those in relation to Games.

[@UsesofBatman]

@@joster118 Acting like we haven’t got some of the best star wars content with Disney

[@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl]

Hey, here’s a bright idea! Let’s make the designs inconsistent so people get confused about the timeline and completely destroy the most beloved character in this franchise. The real Master Chief would have never even taken his helmet off, go AWOL, and he definitely would not bang a Covenant spy. He’d probably kill her instead.

[@miguelmederos8634]

Well, he went AWOL in Halo 5

[@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl]

@@miguelmederos8634 we dont talk about halo 5, even though its somehow BETTER in comparison to this THING we call a tv show

[@owen723]

343's goal since 4 is to make the next game/story so bad, the predecessor looks like a oscar winning story.

[@its392yugrajio]

@@miguelmederos8634to be fair, he did do it for Cortana, whom which was his best friend and of which who helped him save humanity… until she didn’t…

[@DarthDragon007]

Chief was declared AWOL by ONI. The people that imprisoned and then tried to off Halsey among a lot of other highly illegal stuff. They aren't a reliable source of info.

[@HowToNotMeta]

YKNOW, all those old studios claimed to be the “Halo Killer” 343 is the Halo Killer. They are killing Halo, and I don’t know how I feel about it.

[@ryanb6614]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is mediocre

[@isaaclai1636]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is dogshit, the fuck are you smoking?

[@SeelsOfElation]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is a game that COULD be good but has too many issues with balancing, customization, micro transactions and general lack of content to be good. Its base gameplay has potential but everything around the gameplay needs to be wayyyyy improved

[@isaaclai1636]

Celebrate it, let 343 get what they deserve.

[@darthrevan454]

"Fine I'll do it myself"

[@cavemanzach9475]

"Master Chief committed a war crime" I mean that's not the most surprising thing in the world, but the one he chose to commit is pretty damn shocking

[@Aredel]

A war crime that also constitutes as rape. Congratulations, show, you’ve turned Chief into a rapist.

[@mediocri5y]

Wats the war crime

[@AICW]

@@mediocri5y He had sex with a prisoner of war. By any ethical legal code, that is rape: No matter how much she's into it, she cannot refuse.

[@cavemanzach9475]

@@mediocri5y POWs can't consent. Chief essentially committed wartime r*pe

[@storyofus3943]

@@mediocri5y taking off his helmet and having sex

[@MoSamuels1]

I tried to watch this, played Halo throughout my entire childhood and loved it. Could not get passed episode 5, absolute train wreck

[@Mister_Clean]

I'm amazed you were able to make it that far

[@ghostsoldier3455]

I couldnt finish episode 1

[@tylergervais3207]

I stopped watching after literally 2-3 minutes

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

So have I. Hence I refuse to watch a single Episode of this. Read/listen to Some Halo lore books too. This is how you mess with the Audience & Halo fans Alike.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

You don’t like master cheeks? How could you not like the forced personal drama between humans in a series about humans vs aliens?

[@wackywarrior001]

All these directors and writers think they are smarter then the source material , it’s so frustrating , echo has awesome mimic powers, the director literally said in an interview they were “ lame “ so they gave her unspecified do anything powers instead. So many shows to name them all that do this , so annoying , and the stuff they do is almost always worse and stupid what a waste

[@D00dman]

I'm glad you're addressing this. The show could have been a great many things, but it chose to be non-canon. Even with being non-canon, the show could have looked into what military customs and courtesies look like, what the general vibe of the games are, why people liked characters that were used in the show, and many other things. Instead, it's just a bunch of crap thrown together and shit-tier writing. This is yet another example of big wigs thinking they can write a better story than the fans already have. Hopefully they learn why this is wrong eventually

[@nickh4354]

I remember hearing about how smugly the lead writer told everyone "I went over the script 200+ times re writing everything until it was perfect". So like, what show was he talking about...? I haven't seen or heard about it yet. You're 100% right, this is shit tier writing. Replace it with any other series or OC and it's still fucking trash, and non creative throwaway BS

[@PhillipOnTakos]

What these companies need to understand regardless of them saying "it's an alternative timeline". This show at the end of the day was a mainstream break for Halo and general audiences won't know it's an alternative timeline. From now on you talk to someone who doesn't know Halo but saw the show, they'll be confused because this fucking show exists. It's going to be even harder to get people into the franchise because (god forbid) they actually like this the games and books are nothing like this show or if they hate it they won't check out the rest this series has to offer because they'll think this is what it is. It hurts everyone. The fans who are your built in audience who hate it because of the changes. The general public who don't know about Halo. It hurts themself because they're gonna lose a lot of money on this show. Most importantly (for us as fans) it hurts the IP.

[@pippo17173]

the fucking sonic movies are alternate timeline to the main sonic game and it still came out good because people cared.

[@jayriley1452]

And there's so much content that could've been used with a better storyline regardless if you were into halo or not.. It doesn't make sense

[@fuckusingfullname]

They want to remove your idols

[@solid_rooster4587]

@AlEx3KillA the TV show's story doesn't even make sense 💀

[@solid_rooster4587]

@AlEx3KillA don't tell me you only have played halo infinite....

[@Mapleaple]

We support you act man. Having that video taken down is KZbin failing on everything.

[@dannyboy3658]

Wrong! It’s KZbin actually growing a pair and shutting down regurgitated content. Copying everyone else’s video and calling it content doesn’t fly… duh! 😂

[@bradleyaustin883]

@@dannyboy3658 Sounds like quantum bullshit

[@TA-by9wv]

Which video?

[@Mapleaple]

@@dannyboy3658 You gonna cry more basement dweller? Come on cry for us.

[@Sin3134]

@@dannyboy3658 and copying someone else’s comments doesn’t make you surperior. Doesn’t stop you from doing it though, right sheep?

[@ThatGuy21872]

Cortana asks if they could possibly make any more noise, and Chief wordlessly grabs a rocket launcher with a slight nod of his helmet. God damn, I love that clip.

[@williamdutton3928]

When folks argue "it's set in a different universe. It's not canon" to justify the story and characters being different... Well what's the point of making a Halo show if it's gonna be different to Halo?

[@alexanderrobins7497]

I was hoping for only some slight lore and character changes, but not this level of bastardization. It is more likely these hack writers/directors had their original script rejected, but had to plagiarize aspects of the Halo IP to get approved.

[@richardschlange9629]

Money

[@Piltybones]

The whole project screams a weird mix of woke "colonizers and soldiers are oppressive and bad" with the death knell that is "ohhh we writers can blow your mind with how good we can create a universe!" It sucks becuase all they had to do is get out of their own way. Star Wars should be the example for any IP trying to prove to its fans that the universe they love is inferior to what the new writers can create!

[@enasnI99]

"iTs a dIfFeReNt uNiVeRsE" head asses-the lot of em

[@saladv6069]

That works for things that can have plenty of adaptations, or something that already has multiple universes to mess with. Transformers, DC, etc. but since it’s not like Halo getting another tv show anytime soon, it’s a total waste.

[@existentialselkath1264]

How delusional do you have to be to look at a well loved story that spawned a huge franchise like this with a large and loyal fanbase, and think 'If I replace everything I can do this better.' And how does this keep happening with so many adaptations? Its such a shame because the acting, designs, and even some of the cgi looks really good. A lot of effort has been put into this show, but either the writers or the higher ups at paramount have ruined it with their sheer hubris.

[@Brandelwyn]

Seems like its some kind of a curse, given how often this happens.

[@NotARussianDisinfoBot]

It's intentional. Cultural Marxism can only thrive if the heroes and traditions of the past are erased. It's not a coincidence that Hollywood keeps assassinating meaningful characters.

[@Marinealver]

as delusional as saying we don't have enough representation, make the Keys PoC all while pretending that Sgt. Johnson doesn't exist.

[@wycoturmoil]

It's not about money it's the message. They want us to know that our culture doesn't matter and they are the future.

[@the_travelingbreeze]

Because the writers wanna push their SJW propaganda

[@keymacaroon-uh7kj]

"Alternate timeline" is a valid excuse for why things are different. That's fine. It is, however, not an excuse for the series to be flat out bad and ignore the fan base it was made for in the first place, or at least the fan base it was SUPPOSED to be made for. The fourunner stuff works different? Sure. The covenant are slightly different? That's fine. The story takes a different direction? That's excusable. The story is nonsensical, the show ignores its core audience, does things the fans don't like, and says it doesn't give a crap when they complain? That's not okay, and it never will be. While this show learning from its mistakes is the best possible way forward, I somehow doubt they'll ever do that since people in charge of products like this nowadays are mostly all stubborn and have an ego the size of a cruise ship. And so as an alternative I think the second best future is this show burning. If it never gets good please have this show fail in order to teach people a lesson about why you dont do this kinda stuff.

[@XxDruidmancerxX]

I agree that it bombing would be a good outcome if they dont at least try to course correct, but it's not like it's the first time a franchise is destroyed on the big screen (smaller one in this case but you get the point). Maybe these ppl just want the short term profit and that's all.

[@keymacaroon-uh7kj]

@@XxDruidmancerxX That's pretty much the problem with modern companies, all they do is chase short term money and then are surprised they don't make as much money as someone who took time to make their products and develop trust and healthy relationship with their customers.

[@XxDruidmancerxX]

@@keymacaroon-uh7kj but you can be sure they'll remember to blame the "toxic fanbase" lol. It's like ordering a chocolate cake, getting a strawberry one instead, and then when you make a complaint the restaurant calls you toxic hahahaha

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@XxDruidmancerxX Unless its Pokemon fans where they want better animations yet when dexit happened, they hoped the devs got Covid

[@keymacaroon-uh7kj]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Wasn't it that gamefreak said they were removing the national dex for the sake of better animations but they didn't deliver?

[@pothly]

worst thing they did, no matter what, was face reveal chief. that killed the show for me right off the bat and i haven’t watched past episode 2

[@helmetongrass1893]

my intrest died as soon as they assasinated dr. Hallsey's character it feels like they are intentionally screwing the halo show, so many characters like Kwan and that covenant lady who f....d master chief feel forced onto the audience, out of place, nonsensical

[@Aredel]

Honestly, a face reveal can work pretty well for the series if they time it right, like the Mandalorian did. Show flashbacks of him in training so the audience gets an idea of who’s behind the mask, but save the reveal for a really pivotal moment, like the fall of Reach. Don’t drop the reveal at the end of the first fucking episode.

[@joshyboy9804]

"Foehammer is so critically underrated in the first game!" Truer words have never been spoken. Rest in peace, Echo 419.

[@Brandon-bc1fz]

bruh the feels....

[@Wes.A.R.]

F . 🫡

[@infinitespace2520]

Press F to pay respects:

[@DrunkLurker]

Yup. For what it's worth, when Chief meets Polaski, he notes that she's from the same company as Foehammer and hopes she's as good as Echo 419. And in his eulogy for Polaski, Master Chief notes she would have made a good Spartan, which speaks volumes for both of them.

[@benben3277]

@@DrunkLurker amazing nerves of Steele pilots man

[@_Cato_]

An exasperated Chris Hansen asking naked Massive Cheeks what in the world he's doing is one of the most absurd, hilarious things I've seen in a long while

[@frost_6836]

Absolute insanity going on at KZbin. Your community stands with you, ActMan. I'm confident that the majority of us will follow you to greener pastures (Twitch, Patreon?) if KZbin kicks you off the platform.

[@nikkimoon1533]

💯 I've heard rumble is a top contender. Will be checking it out soon.

[@deeppurplefan]

Look mom, no ads!

[@God34343]

Look at any quantum comment section. You will see the dumbest arguements

[@JLocker]

We are with you ACTMAN!

[@dogmadogma5398]

Well said!

[@masterchiefofhalo4525]

The Halo series should’ve been about the entire war. Starting with first contact on Harvest and then jump forward several years for more important events

[@regular_mason8082]

I showed my mother the Halo: TV series (she knows nothing about Halo) she obviously has never played any of the games. So her thoughts were the ones of their new broad target audience. She said it was, and I quote: "Boring" and "I this a sci-fi show like this a hundred times before." So who is this for again?

[@hurensohn7605]

bro I hate big corporations so fucking much. marketing and suit assholes ruin everything.

[@elbo7755]

That last sentence hurts my brain to read.

[@bradyouknow9313]

Doubt this actually happened but ok

[@patchwurk6652]

@@bradyouknow9313 What part of that sentiment is even remotely unbelievable? "Someone's Mom was bored by modern TV" is literally all it takes for that to be true.

[@orangegalen]

"Appeal to a broader audience..." "Make it more marketable..." These remind me of that quote "If you try to please everyone you'll please no-one." They're trying to have all these different things/characters that don't feel like Halo, and then act surprised when the show gets metaphorically glassed by the fans. Appeal to those fans, double down on the Halo-ness aspect, read and look at the source material and respect it, and you'll make a good show. It's the same with Disney's Star Wars, the ending of Game of Thrones, Amazon's Wheel of Time and Rings of Power, "reboots" to other franchises, and also Paramount's reboots of Star Trek (honestly, how is Discovery still going?) - if you don't respect the core fans, you're not going to have a well received show. Goes double when you actively attack those fans and critics and try to spew corporate BS about "how good our show is" or "is taking the franchise in a bold new direction".

[@waifuhunter9709]

Bruh. For a moment, i thought you are quantom TV lmao With my small phone, your profile picture was similar

[@Rawnblade13]

Course the sad hilarity of it is Halo would have appealed to a very broad audience just fine. Humans killing aliens and vice versa, entire movie franchises have been built on this simple concept.

[@Milokitty-en5nb]

The show is so outrageous, I kept watching. Here’s basically what happened. Chief immediately removes his helmet and armor. Then removes the pellet that makes him a spartan all while betraying the military multiple times. He then attacks Halsey, sleeps with alien lady that’s trying to exterminate humans, then disappears with her and runs to halo. Like WTF.

[@edgaral]

Halo's Forward Unto Dawn looks like a master piece next to the Halo TV series lmaooo

[@johnleeka3282]

Honestly that wasn’t even a bad movie. That movie depicted cheif better in like 25 minutes of screen time better than the entire paramount tv show.

[@isaiahrollins207]

They ruined Master Chief. If anything, I feel like they should've focused on a new squad of spartans and had Chief show up in multiple brief cameos.

[@dropkickpherby6994]

Imagine how Sick that'd be. Like they hype up the tails of him and John pops up sniping a Sniper jackal that was gonna snipe the new squad, gives them some intel and then F's off until they see him again on base without knowing how to thank him

[@Dr_mafario]

Yeah, its so not master chief and so not halo that youtube thought this was mass effect

[@dammnpeople3131]

it didnt ruin master chief litterally. this show isnt canon and gonna get forget in a few years

[@erihor86]

Yes and the original voice actor used with no helmet off

[@isaiahrollins207]

@@dammnpeople3131 I know it's not canon, but it's hard to play the game and not think of this. How he's been portrayed in this abomination. I still have the love for him in the games though.

[@MannyloAnimeSquad]

Watched the whole show on a free website and still feel scammed. I want my time back, my joy of not watching BS cortana taking over the chief, and the awfull sex/relationship scenes, armor off scenes of chief, everything... besides the black spartans those were alright and the spartan women who got nearly plasma killed

[@FreakyCat26]

That show is just a insult to the gaming community

[@FreakyCat26]

Wtf

[@danmoua7686]

😶🤨🤔🤨Did you say sexual scene... I mean I like it as much any other person, but Spartan 2 doesnt have that mind frame for it... Wheres the mission after mission

[@gabrielantos4144]

@@FreakyCat26 Lets be real the gaming community is an insult to the gaming community

[@texteel]

you absolutely should feel scammed. You invested your time into this show. Time it did not deserve

[@Quillian]

Out of all my years of being a fan of Halo, I never once imagined Master Cheif naked let alone helmet less, but never having sexual intercourse with a covenant spy lmfao, I'm so done with this show 💀

[@walter7787]

Lmao

[@Holy_Wraith]

At least HALO fans got something close to HALO, we Star Trek fans was screwed worse when we got Star Trek Discovery.

[@Zaney_]

It is a similar thing they did like with the Mandalorian, they didn't show his face because the show writers understood the weight of that decision. over a decade of halo games of build up of this show and they show his face not even at the end of the season.

[@BurningSnoMan]

I hate that they make a big show of chief taking off his helmet every time it happens even though they love to claim that they wanted to make their own story.

[@spendsshanks6050]

Let’s be honest the show writers of Mando don’t understand storytelling. Don’t compare shit with more shit

[@neontheteslawolf6217]

@@BurningSnoMan let's be honest here, most of us knows that master chief has another helmet under his helmet XD

[@Zaney_]

@@spendsshanks6050 i only watched the first season, at least it was better than this shit show. And you never see his face. I'm not even a starwars.

[@dropkickpherby6994]

OG Halo Fans: "Look how they massacred my boi" Innocent bystanders watching the show: I thought this was supposed to be about a green man and a smurf A.I. fighting aliens...

[@brok56]

We've been tricked, we have been backstabbed and most probably bamboozled.

[@zaneheaston8254]

I know right, this doesn't even appeal to people who haven't played Halo because it's THAT far removed from the source material

[@ilegacy117]

The Chad John Halo: “I need a weapon.” The non-Virgin Jimmy Cheeks: “I need a woman.”

[@comdrive3865]

jesus christ what is this thread

[@cooliipie]

@AlEx3KillA ...

[@freedomapple7503]

@AlEx3KillA found the 8 year old kid

[@monkeymouse7670]

@@freedomapple7503 found the dude who fell for the bait

[@undoubtedlyquantum3172]

"Master Chief? You mind telling me what you're doing on that TV show?" "Sir. Doing my laundry."

[@idktbh8739]

I just don’t understand how even non-fans can unironically enjoy the tv show…

[@lorddenalian]

Easy, GoT. Halo doesn’t fit that mold. Others would like Dune or BattleTech…BUT I wouldn’t want them touch by those degenerates who want to suck up IPs and push agenda.

[@iZehta]

Never played the Halo games because I never owned an Xbox (thinking of getting them on Pc to see what all the hype has been about all these years) but as soon as I heard that they intentionally ignored the games, I immediately “noped” because I refuse to support this kind of writing/production

[@Zathren]

They flip that little switch in their brain labeled "dont think, just consume next product"

[@cursedhawkins1305]

Because you just said why they like it, THEY AREN'T FANS! They don't know of the franchise just like the fucking producers don't know of the franchise when they admitted to never have played any of the games so you can make a pretty good damn guess that they never read a fucking book.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@Epic No-ones stopping them? its just baffling, since its really dogshit sci fi even if Halo wasn't involved.

[@soulstalker4624]

I'm glad more and more people are starting to bash this disaster of a series.

[@SW-8228]

The only redeeming factor was the last fight and the end if episode 5

[@thenathanielbacon]

The Mandalorian is a good example of how to do a faceless character. He takes his helmet off I think 3 times and every time it has an actual purpose.

[@HarrowKrodarius]

Exactly. Eventhough we all knew after the first time it wouldn't have the same impact anymore. But you clearly got shown the consequences of him doing it at all.

[@RioFordays]

Except in Mandalorian, it had an actual in-universe explanation and rule as to why the character couldn't show his face, unlike in Halo (the game) where it was an "artistic feature". Not trying to defend the show, but it would have been complicated to keep that approach in live action for a few reasons : 1. Unlike in the game, a live action would have to show MC between missions and it wouldn't make sense for him to always keep the helmet (and the armor) on when off missions. Especially if all the other Spartans aren't doing it, he would come off as some kind of idiot. Hell they even address that in H2 ("And you told me you would wear something nice"). 2. Even in the books, MC had numerous scenes without helmet or armor, but obviously they could get around it since a book has no visuals. I agree with Act Man that it shouldn't have happened so fast and with no build up. They did screw it up. But trying to 1:1 adapt the way it's done in the games was never going to work either. At least with MC as the main character. If he wasn't center stage and appeared only during missions while the main character was a lesser character - such as a marine, or even Johnson if they had not decided to completely ignore him - they could have kept MC as a mysterious figure.

[@cooliipie]

@@RioFordays F off.. even the Devs know from HALO 1 that he doesn't. There's literally an alternative ending about it ....

[@DanS044]

@@RioFordays the she follows master chef into every moment of his life, yo-yo create a mysterious character don’t show us them eating breakfast.

[@ls89swe]

Season 1, Book: Fall of Reach and the game Halo reach Season 2, Combat evolved Season 3, Halo 2 Etc etc. What was the problem with that and also. Why change all the Spartans like Kelly, Fred, Linda, Samuel, Kurt? Why add new names when you already have characters. Did the show writers even research anything from the original?

[@davidedod195]

Imagine pirating this show and still feeling like you got scammed 💀

[@FuriouzDragon45]

Cuz your time got wasted

[@yig_501]

oh my gilod XD

[@krapto3467]

I have indeed been scammed of my time, Worse so considering I was in the middle of my final exams and time was kinda important.

[@shaggyscooby7888]

🐛

[@davidstinger1134]

Well, you know what they say, time is money.

[@th3sh6d0w9]

“Money can buy talent, but it CANNOT BUY VISION” - The Act Man

[@nybergsgarage]

"They shall pay the price for their lack of vision!"

[@kanthanesankandiah8186]

@@nybergsgarage i agree. Sanction controversy paramount . They are the one who divided gaming community. There are either A , leaving gaming alone or B wall street bets (reddit group) target their shares and stock as retaliation for this nonsense.

[@combativeThinker]

@@kanthanesankandiah8186 Their heresy shall stay their feet.

[@GGallade]

The worst part is how they are trying to make the UNFC into "Natziees" when in reality they are the good guys. Yeah they have some bad eggs but they is mostly ONI doing the dirty work. Also biggest character assassination towards Master Chief that it made every Halo fan mad.

[@brianguerino5499]

For real? I'm asking cause I've had no interest in seeing this but if that's ture then fuck it. CBS/Viacom already did this crap with Picard by making Starfleet into nazis/authoritative

[@roboguard96]

I'm pretty sure if it was a choice between nazis and complete and utter genocide (by alien race or no) then nazis would still be preferable. Just saying

[@aes1373]

I don't know about the UNSC being the good guy angle is in the games anymore and for a good reason. After the covenant war ppl found out about some of the fucked up shit the UNSC did. But other than that, the show is shit.

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

It seems like a recurring thing with western medias and making every government nahtziz of sorts.

[@torch1028]

Unsc is both the good guys and the evil empire because.. they're doing terrible things in the canon as well as being the only capable force to repel the genocidal aliens

[@reyruiz793]

343 really just said “I have walked the edge of the Abyss. I have governed the unwilling. I have witnessed countless fandoms break before me. I have seen the most hardcore fans steer away in fear. I have seen your future. And I have learned. There will be no more happiness just Sadness. more Anger. more Envy. I HAVE WON. HALO SUCKS”

[@TheRguru1]

Master chief in the games: "I need a weapon" Master chief in the TV show: "I need a seggs seen"

[@absin8078]

We love you act man! Praying your channel doesn’t get taken down

[@nickm.4274]

Seems like all his videos have been demonitized already :/

[@absin8078]

@@nickm.4274 Yep. Definitely some BS

[@Bradmhj]

Why would he go to Twitter to cry and start a rally against KZbin.

[@yes-is5wf]

@@Bradmhj What else can he possibly do?? Since ur the smart person here tell him in detail what he should do

[@stevenking9985]

@@yes-is5wf I'd take my 1.5 million subscribers to rumble. They've got a similar monetization model & largely leaves creators to get on with what they do best & don't believe in censorship. If I was KZbin I'd find out what idiot demonitized a channel with 1.5 million subscribers & run them out of the building 😂🤣🤣

[@_Devil]

The show creators bragging about never looking at the source material is what cemented my hatred for it tbh. I mean, they REALLY thought that going on Twitter and saying "Lmao we know jack shit about the lore behind John Halo or who he is" would make us cheer them on and go buy Paramount+ subscriptions en mass. Edit: Im not buying Paramount+, you shills in these replies. Stop trying to convince me that this below-mediocre show is a "love letter to Halo fans". Get yo Battlefield 2042 asses outta here.

[@reddithirumuri5479]

That just shows the only reason they made this show was to just cash in on the popularity of halo

[@HaloDieHard]

This just shows that you didn't read the whole article that mentioned that they "didn't look at the source material" Do some research

[@istvanfodor9749]

For fucking real. At that point why even call it Halo. Just make up an entirely different plot and story. Oh wait, calling it Halo draws the sales they would've never had.

[@LFielding07]

@@HaloDieHard what this guy said. The showrunners said they talked with 343 about the Halo lore, not about the games.

[@TheSinatra]

@@HaloDieHard mid show + the games are better + Ratio

[@Killzoneguy117]

I'm reminded how so far, the two best Disney Plus Star Wars shows have not been Book of Boba Fett, or Kenobi, or even Ahsoka. Shows following well known and established characters from the movies and lore. No. The two best shows have been the Mandalorian and Andor. Andor especially because it relies on almost no established canon characters. And those that it does rely on have had such minimal treatment in other SW media like Mon Mothma, or only show up for a brief cameo, like Colonel Yularen. Andor's bread and butter was showing a story devoid of Jedi and their incredible abilities and focusing on normal, average, everyday people trying to survive and fight back against the Empire with nothing but their wits, their instincts, training, preparation and conviction. And that made for such an incredible, grounded, believable, relatable and compelling story. Now imagine a Halo version of that. No Masterchief. No SPARTANs. Just a squad of ODSTs or regular UNSC Marines trying desperately to fight back against the overwhelming might of the Covenant war machine. Losing their comrades one after another, but also demonstrating tenacity and resolve against the Covenant'a superior technology and might. That's a show with tension, a show that sets out the universe, the stakes, and because its not limited to the format of an FPS game, can focus much more on the actual lives and struggles of these characters. Its the same reason why Andor was so great. Why every great 40k story doesn't follow the Space Marines, but rather the Imperial Guard. Why DS9 is the best Star Trek series. Good sci fi stories are about the indomitable human spirit. Whether that's holding back a genocidal alien invasion or resisting a tyrannical totalitarian star empire. THIS is what a Halo TV show should be

[@manofmercy1500]

Man, that “Forward unto Dawn” mini-series is actually looking like a proper live action Halo series than this. Not even the fact that it’s technically an alt-timeline can save the show now. It’s one thing to do a poor take on the original story but it’s a whole other mess to go so far off course from what made Halo “Halo” in the first place. Chief being too overly emotional, the UNSC being portrayed as the villains more so than the Covenant, the Covenant allowing humans into their ranks, then Chief being both disrespectful towards Cortana and then later making out with a confirmed Covenant agent. Man, even with the lack of content, Infinite (and by association Guardians & HW2) is looking much better than this fiasco. And I’m not even that into the Halo franchise anymore since 4.

[@____Carnage____]

Forward unto dawn was awesome, I feel like that horror aspect isn’t used enough in Halo

[@joekev27]

Shit ive been saying halo 5 looks like a god dam masterpiece compared to this, thats how shity the show is in my eyes

[@madhavgoel4974]

Lmao that sounds far more interesting than the actual halo story, I might have to check the show out

[@realfarmer21]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me g

[@Andiandru]

But Halo infinite is awesome?!

[@manuelcartagena8052]

Act Man: "Your inability to safeguard Halo was a colossal failure." Me: "Nay, it was heresy!"

[@AUTI5T1X]

The weight of it, will stay at the feet of the writers.

[@brandonmack1501]

"Their slander offends all who walk the path!"

[@bobweeny]

"This heretic.. and all who follow him, must be silenced"

[@yapflipthegrunt4687]

@AlEx3KillA legit putting this bait on everything

[@AUTI5T1X]

@AlEx3KillA Get out.

[@aceclover758]

“Producers and everyone literally stated they didn’t read, play or watch any previous Halo media” Immediately, thats a huge red flag

[@mrsaltydino4817]

Then like it’s not an excuse if your paid millions to make a show then read the source material just saying you haven’t played it and your making a show based on it then your lazy

[@fosphor8920]

Imagine a series made by huge halo nerds

[@Haggysack2k8]

@@fosphor8920 Even if these fans make their Mjolnir armor out of paper, it will rock more than Chief in a sex scene. the fuck did they think doing this?

[@insensitive919]

They're "doing their own thing". People are tripping all over themselves to defend it, even though it's pretty blatantly a bad b-show script with "Halo" slapped on it. What a precedent to set.

[@johnathannelsonento2040]

@@fosphor8920 lile red vs blue?

[@wieldylattice3015]

I’ve never played a Halo game before but I probably need to. You know how I think they could’ve gone about revealing master chiefs face? Occasionally show his eyes flitting about in darkness in the first few episodes. Over time, he has to take off his helmet for various reasons. Every time his head is hidden in shadows and clever lighting. You slowly build up his character of loving being who he is now, feeling like his armor is an extension of his soul, who he is. You make it feel like he has a face even though you can’t see it, by for a while using his actions and thoughts as characterization, and making hints at his real face seem elusive and confusing, like an abstract dream trying to tell you something. You have a moment where he actually loses a battle, and you see him in a hospital bed, but his head is covered in bandages so you still don’t know what he looks like. During that, someone assumes his identity, so you have Master Chief walking around covered in bandages looking like a corpse trying to get his identity back. When he does, there’s a sequence where you see his mouth moving in shadows, explaining that no one can ever truly impersonate him because what makes him Master Chief isn’t wearing the armor, it’s being one with the armor, and embracing it as you would embrace a part of your personality. After that he would put his helmet back on. Finally, he’s captured and placed into a simulated world in an attempt to extort information from his mind, and his face is finally revealed in the simulation. The world is just like the world he had back home, and it tries to convince him that the Spartan project didn’t work, he’s just an average dude, and he’s gotta hell his family with something before going off to either college or the army. He slowly starts to see gaps in the fake reality, and have an existential crisis because he knows it isn’t right, and this isn’t who he is. He grows wary of the world around him, and sees his captor appear in the simulation several times, before battling them. At the end of the confrontation, Master Chief materializes a helmet just like his own, and declares that no matter who his real face is, his helmet represents the real person behind that face, that he can’t choose how his face looks, he can’t choose how people perceive his face, but through his actions he can choose who he is when he wears the helmet, and that there is no more genuine a form of him than when he’s wearing his armor. He can’t help that he’s John, but he chooses to be Master Chief because that’s who he truly is, a hero, a warrior, someone people can look up to. With this, he puts on his helmet, and the simulation overloads, causing the computers to crash. With this he’s able to escape back into the real world, and when he finally holds his real helmet in his hands again, he smiles to himself, before returning it to where it belongs, atop his head, and his face is rarely or never shown again