The Halo TV Show Is Extremely BAD

The Halo TV Show is one of the worst video game adaptations to cinema I've ever seen. I simply had to rant on it's existence and everything wrong with it. It would have been so easy to follow the original story instead of all this phony crap they came up with.
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[@TheActMan]

So we taking bets on when this video will be copyright claimed?

[@HolyknightVader999]

Just like with Joe.

[@Lu-bc3pl]

u know it

[@Lucky_9705]

Paramount loves striking down shit

[@Serpentris]

within a day

[@artorius4809]

20 minutes

[@tobyroberts6571]

"I tried to sell Halo to a broader audience" "What did it cost" "Halo's audience"

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

lol

[@thundereagle4130]

Paramount be like: I...... I'm the monument of all your sins!!!!!!

[@mr.goblin6039]

Halo's audience was already a ''broader audience''. I don't understand why they needed to change anything when previous Halo games sold well to just about everyone.

[@tobyroberts6571]

@@mr.goblin6039 my only guesses are 1. Like our honoured Acting Male said - they saw the ability of Halo to basically print money and went "but what if even more?" or 2. 343 still don't fully understand what makes Halo Halo and rather than trying to truly recapture what was so good about the older games, they've decided to just try to turn Halo into something else that they do understand

[@benbanned1381]

They tried to sell halo to a broader audience... It costed them halos audience and a broader audience.

[@ShadrackMeduson]

They took his helmet They took his armor They took his clothes They took his virginity Master cheeks in a nutshell

[@Spartan086]

Master Cheeks to writers: “You took everything from me.” Writers: “I don’t even know who you are.”

[@natezrodlowski9986]

Wait wait wait wait wait isn’t the mojnir armor fucking grafted to their bodies from in infinite we see a Spartans a spartan die just from the injuries of getting their armor forcefully removed from their body

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

@@natezrodlowski9986 That is a good question. Halo 4 depicted Spartan armor as being like Iron Man’s Mk 3 armor: you need a set of robotic arms to unscrew the fastenings and painlessly remove the armor piece by piece. I guess the pieces and undersuit are so close-fitting that crudely removing the armor becomes torturous? Not to mention that it was the Banished who peeled the armor off the Spartans in Halo Infinite: they’d naturally do anything they could to make the peeling process as brutal as possible.

[@Kinos141]

@@Spartan086 This needs to be it's own comment, not a reply.

[@the_corvid97]

@@natezrodlowski9986 Spartans can take the armor off, it's just a labor intensive process that requires outside help (technicians, robot arms, etc.)

[@diamondinthesky4771]

If you told Master Chief from the games that there is a universe out there where he actually had sex with a woman who betrayed humanity for the Covenant his response would be and I quote "I need a weapon"

[@nutyyyy]

He'd knock her head off.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

agreed

[@PrinceOfChange]

g e t m e a g u n

[@ntfoperative9432]

He'd be looking for a way to break the multiversal barrier just to blast his ass into the NEXT universe

[@acetrigger1337]

Marine: w-we have no weapons, Master Chief. Master Chief: fine, i'll do it with my bare-hands...

[@HCG]

I think what really made me sad rage seethe the hardest was hearing the show runners and writer proudly state that they never played any of the Halo games because they didn’t think it was important.

[@shellshockedant2356]

That was a clickbait article of course they played the games they just didn’t follow them exactly when making the show

[@dredskl]

@@shellshockedant2356 honestly that makes it worse

[@stackflow343]

When you already plan to mutate an adaptation into your personal fanfic, ofc the source material isn't important.

[@hawkeye5955]

​​@@stackflow343 : That's the exact description of Mindy Kaling's self-insert for Velma.

[@Beldingbrettm_]

☠️😑 20+ years …and these ppl …

[@crazyjames1233]

Halo Fans: "They are ruining our characters and lore with this crap!" Star Wars and Star Trek Fans: "First time?"

[@greasyboy737]

Picard season 2 be like

[@Theeight8b]

And Dunes fans: "All HAIL Danny Villeneuve"

[@MrKuger9]

Lord of the rings

[@Theeight8b]

@@MrKuger9 That hurts, man, you know?

[@arsenal-slr9552]

Oh no, deffffffinitely not my first

[@NicholasLightTV]

This show is somehow modern gaming.. and it’s not even gaming.

[@TheActMan]

that's a wrap, boys and girls. We got the best comment already

[@jackcolson4745]

_Modern Gaming™_

[@believeinmatter]

@@TheActMan unfair he has 688k subs 🥵

[@Magni-Vincent]

True 😂😂😂

[@arthursantiago2899]

never would imagine to see Nicholas here! What a crossover...

[@owenhartlen3563]

One of my big issues with the show was that John gets all pissy about ONI inhibiting his emotions and covering up his past, but in actual Halo lore that couldn't be further from the truth. When making the Spartans they made sure to tell them exactly why they were kidnapped and that they would never see their families again for the express purpose of avoiding them finding out later and going rogue.

[@darthgamer9861]

you are implying that anyone who worked on the shows read any of the books, never mind play a game

[@zennok]

@@darthgamer9861 When you're adapting something that is well established and is supposedly working with the game studio in charge of the games, I think it's a pretty reasonable expectation to at least know the universe and lore to a certain degree

[@darthgamer9861]

@@zennok oh I agree, its just the show runners already thought it was a good idea to brag about having not even played the game, so I find it perplexing that anyone is shocked that they didn’t read any supplementary material

[@trigfunction]

presenting child soldiers and kidnapping in anything but an unequivocal negative light is simply unthinkable in modern media, and so, we'll never get a mainstream portrayal of the spartan program that is faithful to the actual lore. The moralizing "humanizing" stuff is here to stay

[@owenhartlen3563]

@@trigfunction that's so true I didn't even think about. Actually Halo in general is definitely way too dark for them to release an accurate movie tbh

[@GameRelic]

You could have read an entire chapter from the Fall of Reach Novel and that would have been better than the entire season

[@prw56]

For those not in the know, that's the first book. Having read that was the reason I couldn't get past the first episode of this show. Don't know what he was talking about with the show jumping the shark episode 8, they jumped the shark when he took off his helmet in front of a rebel with a gun pointed at him. I wish it was required for writer's rooms in Hollywood to have cameras installed, someone deserves to be shamed for that idiocy alone. Play the first game, read the book. Play the second and third game, and odst if you feel like it. I think the reach game conflicts with the book (the book is better, so just pretend the reach game was all a dream), and ignore everything that came out after that. Boom, franchise un-ruined. Also recommend applying this to star wars, pretend nothing else exists and watch the original 3 movies (look up the despecialized editions), its wildly different watching those with all the mysterious unexplained stuff still unexplained (e.g. the clone wars).

[@BonnerDoesYouTube]

@@prw56 Reach is another perspective of what went down on Reach. First Strike is what went down when Fred took everyone down to the surface, which was already decimated and burned. It picks back up when Chief gets a gut feeling that some Spartans are alive, and it turns out to be true. There's also a comic detailing Red Team on Reach and what they did. But Reach, the game is not bad, and is just another perspective and ties everything up together, because we at the time didn't know how the Pillar of Autumn got off of Reach. It was an entire buildup to that moment. Hope that explains Reach for you.

[@nucleardrake9981]

@@BonnerDoesKZbin One problem with your explanation, in "The Fall of Reach" it's stated that the Pillar of Autumn was already heading out of the star system but turned around in order to assist with the defense of Reach. So if the Pillar of Autumn was already that far away, how did it end up on the surface of Reach again? This is the reason most people don't like the disconnect between the game and the book.

[@ventris425productions5]

@@prw56 I disagree with a few things, yes the bungee trilogy is better, but 343s stories could be reserved for later stories, and with Star Wars please no, don’t spread shit like that, the clone wars is the best Star Wars content, the prequels are very flawed but enjoyable, if you have to pretend any of Star Wars doesn’t exist just ignore the sequels and with reach, I haven’t read the book, but I’ve read the sequel, so I can imagine the book was great but I and many others have more liking towards the game.

[@ventris425productions5]

@@prw56 wait, sorry, what was that last part about cw, I don’t fully understand your point, if you could enlighten me I’d appreciate, and I’d like to apoligise if I’ve came across as rude at any point

[@jkili4070]

“We want to appeal to a larger audience” Are the hundreds of millions of Halo fans not enough? Who exactly are you making the show for? Clearly it’s not for us.

[@KratosisGod]

343 - I want more and I know I shouldn't They want to make money and the larger the audience the more chances of making money simple as that if they have to change things to widen the appeal of halo they'll do it I can't believe people have so much faith in 343 when they have shown time and time again that they couldn't care less about the state of games at launch and they only listen to feedback when there's massive backlash from the community like the fun glitches that were removed in the season 2 update

[@AimlessJourney]

'We want it to appeal to a larger audience?" Halo was big in the first place because it ALREADY appealed to a broad audience. Duty, comradery, survival, sacrifice and loss. The marvel of nature, life, civilization and ancestry. Curiosity, mystery and fear. Faith, loss of purpose, existential despair. These concepts are so fundamentally human, they connect with everyone of all ages, gender, race or culture. Halo didn't need a colorful cast of 'diverse' characters to make it relatable to a broad audience. Just because you jam it with interpersonal drama, identity politics and 'emotion' doesn't make it more relatable.

[@5RndsFFE]

The show literally alienated the largest possible consumer group, actual Halo fans who if Halo 3 multiplayer was anything to go by, numbered in the millions. Others might tune in occasionally or stumble across it during a wet weekend, but the Halo fans were always going to be the ones to bank roll this shitshow from the get go.

[@jase276]

Ironically the Halo fans are the majority, the ones they want to appeal to are the minority. The minority being people who don't play games and dgaf what Halo is but watch it anyways.

[@8eight306]

They want to appeal to women particualy middle age 20-30 year old women who may not know what a halo is but likes steamy sex scenes in anything or everything that may or may not be legally dubious (*cough you cant clap her war prisoner cheeks master cheeks its a warcrime) Also women are a larger demographic of entertainment consumers then men.

[@Razatanx7]

“Appealing to a broader audience” with a franchise that was so large that movie studios blamed Halo for loss of box office sales when Halo games got released.

[@haroonp8842]

Ye people often forget gaming franchises can be larger than movies. Even the mobile gaming industry is so huge that they make more money than movie industry

[@Zamntron]

The late 2000s and early 2010s was really a wild time for games

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone! ❤

[@EmanAugust]

@@Zamntron it was golden age ngl lol

[@gwynbleidd9000]

@@Call_Upon_YAH to bad nobody asked

[@yuxian20]

I remember the Forward Unto Dawn web series. Way better attempt at adapting Halo. We got to see the society that made the Spartans possible through the eyes of Cadets who were on track to be Military officers. We could see the indoctrination they went through and how they viewed the insurrectionists. They made a planet that actually made sense and then they threw the Covenant at it and let Chief actually be Chief. Sure he was only in it for like 10 mins but they didn't fundamentally screw up his character. Also it's characters weren't complete cardboard cutouts of sci-fi stereotypes. You don't have to follow around Master Chief the entire time. You just have to be in the Halo Universe and let Chief do his goddamn job.

[@ShamSoap]

Forward unto Dawn was so great compared to this garbage dogshit

[@texdoc89]

Yup, we would have been much better off had the main character been a random Spartan/Marine and we could have seen the Halo Universe from their pov.. nope we got master cheeks

[@helmetongrass1893]

instead of a live action show, 343 should have just partnered with blur studios to make this series, halo 2 looks so good, imagine how cool the series could have been

[@Aredel]

Or partner with the lads who animated Nightmare of the Wolf for an animated series. That’d be epic.

[@owen723]

Literally. So much of this shows action is animated in CGI it might as well be a animted tv show. Blur loves Halo too, it was such a huge missopportunity. But hey, that's just the entire show.

[@N0TYALC]

Stop acting like 343 is capable of making a decent product. They are not. They are incapable of making a bad product. They are only able to make fucking awful products. Accept it.

[@mastershooter64]

I know right! and halo 2 anniversary came out 10 years ago! WIth today's graphics tech they could make it even better! spectral path tracing and what not! Blur studios ftw!

[@GokhanAras-pj1mm]

@@mastershooter64 They didn't hire Blur because single H2A/HW2 cutscene costs more than the entirety of this show's first season

[@LateNightHalo]

I’m so tired of modern halo making easily avoidable mistakes

[@leviklopfenstein8158]

Next Halo game: Master chief playable for one mission, rest of the campaign is a playable microscopic organism lmao

[@bend.7590]

Aren’t you the guy who endlessly whines about Halo? Weird business model, make the Halo fans give up on Halo then whine about no one watching your Halo videos.

[@nicotin9887]

Halo might be dead for good. I just don't see how they would turn all of this around and it's a god dam shame...

[@ryanmcbride2527]

You mean 343 making easily avoidable mistakes

[@Agora2021]

@@bend.7590 Every aspect of Halo once 343 took over has so much wrong with it, it deserves to be complained over.

[@CriticalNobody]

I don’t see the point in making a Halo TV Show if they’re going to try so hard to change everything recognizable aside from surface level elements.

[@chrisgonzalez3388]

Oh hey good to see you here

[@erupter76500]

Ya, they could have just made their own universe. But then they couldn't ride the coat tails of that sweet sweet Halo money.

[@petiteetoile8376]

Yeah...like just make another sci-fi world for the story you actually to tell?

[@TraitorPotater]

Because it’s trash. If it didn’t have the name Halo stamped onto it then no one would watch it.

[@FallenGamerNica]

Same thing going to happen to lotr series sadly

[@supercopmeetthecop]

The broader audience they were trying to reach were the moms of the people who actually like Halo. My mom for example loved the first season of Halo, long after I got off the copium and realized the show was absolute dogwater, she was still watching it and loving every second. That's when I realized that Paramount and 343 took the fans for granted, they assumed that we'd watch it a love it because we love Halo and instead put their focus on trying to get new people interested, in the process they lost the fans because that show wasn't Halo no matter what it called itself.

[@Nalrats]

Bruh, same thing happened with my manager at my old job who played Halo when he was young and he said he's dad (who's the owner of the store) hated the games he played like Halo. But then he told me that when the Halo show came out, he apparently loved it. And I just remember him being like Dude Why!? You never stopped hating these games when I played them, and NOW you're all "Wow, this is great!"

[@toasty7553]

I wonder if this is also happening with the Last of Us tv show? I know it's FAR better than Halo, but what if someone's relative hates games but then loves the adaptions? Also, I wish it was some sort of rule where those kinds of people would have to at least watch the cutscenes from the original games to understand what the shows/movies are based on.

[@voidwalker6206]

Imagine showing us a scene where master cheif takes off his helmet for a moment infront of arbiter, maybe its a special moment that's once in a lifetime for the elites and cheif wants to honour his war buddy. Cheif is stopped by arbiter with a gentle shake of the head and hand on the shoulder. A moment showing mutual trust between the pair. Not just taking the helmet off for some random moments make it mean something.

[@jasonotto9126]

That scene you explained would have almost made me shed a tear... I love their dynamic in 3. That little nod after getting to the dawn. Him saying were it so easy at the start and the end of the day and how it sounded the same but after the stuff they went through the end to lord hood conveyed more respect in it then when chief had the gun in his mouth. I'm so glad my son loves this game now and no I will not show him the show till he's older. He loves arbiter and Johnson too 😂

[@killgore375]

the worst part about this show is the idea of having a human character as a covenant completely ruins the entire plot of "only humans can activate the halo ring, but the humans don't like the covenant and the prophets have already claimed they were the chosen ones". why did they have to make cucktana a thing too.

[@EskChan19]

For real. "All humans must die" was pretty much the ONLY thing the entire covenant agreed on. They could have just avoided this issue alltogether by making them fight the banished instead of the Covenant. The Banished took up humans if they were skilled fighters, and they canonically have humans in their ranks.

[@Seriona1]

@@EskChan19 They could of done so much more than what they did and found a way to fuck it up the most. Having a human in the Covenant means they will be able to light a Halo as soon as they find one. So they are going to have to change what Halo is or even does in order to make any kind of sense of this stupid idea they decided.

[@briankeys5941]

the worst part about this show is ppl watch it. i REALLY hope these ppl are pirating this trash.

[@stinkmonger]

cucktana 😭😭😭😭

[@tavirosu25]

@@Seriona1 Except the gene inside Master Chief and other humans is canonical Halo lore. Dunno why people hate so much on this tv-show when it actually is the best Halo tv-show out there and the best sci-fi tv-show of this spring/summer season. It's more character and story driven than "pew pew kill aliens" because it's a show not a video game. Doom tried to do the whole "let's make a movie feel like a video game" and proved it's bad.

[@shaunlevin5081]

The moment the creators of this show started bragging about not playing the games, I knew it would be shit.

[@lemonprinter]

Imagine if the GOT writers didn't even know who George R R Martin was. Its unthinkable.

[@TheTwizted]

I thought they were trolling since in the first episode they were using sounds from the game, memes like the “wort wort” elite etc. but nah the rest of the episodes said screw that.

[@slandgkearth]

Worst of it they thought it would be like bonus points for not caring about the source material, those guys are complete hacks.

[@taipaulsen4347]

@@slandgkearth yeah they need to stay far away from writing, find a different career

[@Mart-E12]

It's like if the LOTR trilogy was made by people who never even saw the books

[@greengrugach1984]

It literally broke my heart what 343 and Paramount did to Halo, I will never forgive them...and that's even after Halo 5.....and generic one biome Halo Infinite.

[@Barrobroadcastmaster]

I was wondering why I saw a DVD of the first season for the Halo show. Trying to recoup their losses with DVD sales rather than keeping it behind a streaming service paywall. Definitely not a good sign for the show but a good sign for consumers... if the show had been actually good.

[@Midnighthalo]

It baffles me how Microsoft approved this joke of a story. The Bungie-era Halo ads were in the god damn zone man (ODST and Reach had the perfect tone, they understood what made Halo, HALO). I cannot believe how they were able to take something as big and expanded (lore wise), as Halo, and decided to go with a "story" that they most likely found on wattpad. Incredible misuse of the IP.

[@26mic]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me

[@r0b3rt_959]

@@26mic create yourself some bitches

[@kameronredford7545]

Midnight coming in clutch!

[@HinokasArabfan1]

Every KZbinr who loves halo I am subbed to commented on this video. Must be REALLY bad when everyone I'm subbed to comments on the matter.

[@shademandude712]

Halo 2 cutscenes are better then this whole show

[@dezmundtv962]

Trying to sell to a broader audience is like saying, " we are making this show for no one in particular" as the saying goes, when you try to please everyone, you please no one.

[@Game4Lord]

@@d27shgu Difference is that the MCU has far better writing, and tries to stick to the source material it's adapting. This garbage, does not.

[@davidwajda5528]

​@@Game4Lord Exactly.

[@26mic]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me dawg

[@thibaldus3]

@@Game4Lord This is changing. Now Marvel dictates "the source material" and it's pozzed as f*ck.

[@nagger8216]

@@d27shgu The MCU was made by people with actual talent though, key difference

[@CJ-442]

I don’t get the whole “appeal to a broader audience” argument. It’s Halo. That’s about as mainstream as a video game series can possibly get. They’re talking like the established Halo audience is some sort of obscure cult following or something that’s barely keeping the franchise alive (I mean, it might be after this show and the train wreck that was Infinite’s campaign and launch multiplayer). Also, how the F did this show get green lit for a season 2?

[@Slender_Man_186]

Was* Halo WAS about as mainstream as a video game series could get, all of 343’s attempts to “broaden the audience” over the years have led to that audience bailing completely. That’s not exaggeration either, the stats back it up. A year after Halo 3 came out it had 1.1 million players, a year after Reach came out it had 900k, a year after Halo 4 came out it only had 20k players, and that led to Halo 5 and Infinite’s console numbers being hidden, although inside sources at Microsoft say Halo 5 took over a year to surpass CE’s sales, that Halo 3’s Eldwrito mod had a higher player count than 5 (leading to the mod being shut down through Cease and Desist), and Infinite’s PC numbers are far from ideal.

[@Nihtly]

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers read a fan-fiction and was like "yeah this'll work!"

[@Gandalf_the_Gold]

“It’s ok to branch out but every tree has to stick to its roots”-Act Man 2022

[@Error-ck4jg]

Thats a quote to slap on the bible honestly

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

That's actually really smart

[@paleoph6168]

12:07

[@Unknown-lu4nq]

Hey buddy

[@Unknown-lu4nq]

U were right

[@sebban0011]

Difference between the series and the games: Virgin Chief needs sex, while Chad Chief needs a weapon

[@MrHoovy-zo7bc]

Don’t you mean you need a weapon?

[@crazedlucidityzero]

Chief, your legacy is being sullied by a pretender. Get your MA5 and finish this fight!

[@paterson90]

Accurate comparison 👏

[@TheCynicalJay]

Why do people use "Chad" like it's a positive? Lol

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

@@TheCynicalJay You know for a cynical person you sure don’t understand it

[@fishyfow3767]

They should’ve made the show about either ODSTs, the journey of an Elite Minor, or Theo Vadamee or Rtas Vaduum

[@punintended9836]

The number one argument from people defending this show is *"It was meant to be inspired by Halo, not follow the lore or canon."* That's fine, BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE THE NAME HALO?! The Master Chief?! Cortana?! Like bruh, it's as if somebody put their fanfiction in the script and said *"looks good to me fam"* It's fine to be inspired by something, so go make your own show and franchise instead of piggy back riding off of the Halo Franchise. If this show wasn't Halo it'd quite possibly be one of the worst shows to air.

[@Achillez098]

"We didn't look at the game. We didn't talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world. So I never felt limited by it being a game." -Steven Kane, showrunner for Halo TV Show

[@ric1194]

They didn't even need the games, if they just used the books it would have been amazing alone, they clearly used nothing Halo related while making this TV show bar the costumes.

[@MeatyChief117]

I still don't get how looking at the games would've made them feel "limited"

[@26mic]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me my g

[@willlewis153]

@@ric1194 seriously though. They literally could have used just the fall of reach or the flood as source material and it would have been great

[@genesisishere5]

I don't get why he would feel limited by it being a game. Like there's plenty of good video games with great worlds like Mass Effect

[@andyfriederichsen]

This show had two of the most annoying clichés ever: A hero falling in love with a villain (since apparently male heroes/protagonists always have to be horny for female antagonists/villains), and regular infantrymen (soldiers) being unable to fight unconventional enemies like aliens or super villains because the hero is the only one whose bullets/weapons actually can kill stuff.

[@vinnylatoria4478]

Sounds like maybe the show has a tendency to have issues about shoot blanks

[@cloudzack1090]

Idc about the male/female, thats being too picky. Everything elses is just unnecessary.

[@andyfriederichsen]

@@cloudzack1090 That's your opinion, but you still rarely see the opposite happen if ever (of course it would still be very dumb if the sexes were reversed).

[@Dan_Kanerva]

@@andyfriederichsen if the sexes were reversed it would actually be more historically accurate and beliavable , as many female milita f*cked over their homeland for the enemy's shaff . As it happened in the germanic tribe and Roman wars while Placidus was the emperor... or the Babylonian wars against the city of Akut... or the chinese "traitor witch" of the Fuang dinasty... LMAO

[@fosphor8920]

@@andyfriederichsen Cuz they want to make their own fanfic and are stuck with Master Chief because they can't get funding for their sh!tty fanfic otherwise

[@jackkarran6512]

This show could've been a great way to show chief's spartan training/ backstory off. To show just how brutal Spartan II training really was, and maybe even get to see other Spartan II's interact and grow up with him like for example, JORGE

[@farisanwari777]

Damn that sounds awesome

[@YTHandlesSuck]

Hey, here’s a bright idea! Let’s make the designs inconsistent so people get confused about the timeline and completely destroy the most beloved character in this franchise. The real Master Chief would have never even taken his helmet off, go AWOL, and he definitely would not bang a Covenant spy. He’d probably kill her instead.

[@miguelmederos8634]

Well, he went AWOL in Halo 5

[@YTHandlesSuck]

@@miguelmederos8634 we dont talk about halo 5, even though its somehow BETTER in comparison to this THING we call a tv show

[@owen723]

343's goal since 4 is to make the next game/story so bad, the predecessor looks like a oscar winning story.

[@xxmlgshrekxx7222]

@@miguelmederos8634to be fair, he did do it for Cortana, whom which was his best friend and of which who helped him save humanity… until she didn’t…

[@DarthDragon007]

Chief was declared AWOL by ONI. The people that imprisoned and then tried to off Halsey among a lot of other highly illegal stuff. They aren't a reliable source of info.

[@HypnoToad248]

"Trying to reach a broader audience" always comes back to bite game and tv/movie developers all the time. Its like trying to make a pg-13 horror movie to reach a wider audience, and it just ends up making the movie terrible for everyone. The fact that they understood how big the halo franchise was and decided to make it appeal to everyone just washed this show into some basic melodrama.

[@Web720]

Companies back then wanted some of your money. Nowadays, they want ALL of your money.

[@_owlz_7070]

Unless you're FromSoft. In which case you do it flawlessly while maintaining the identity of your game. lol

[@inthedeadhours]

I mean doesn't halo already have a massive audience....it seems more sensible to just appeal to them...but what do I know, I'm not some big tv exec.

[@wolfstorm5394]

Ikr, it's like they forget they already have a fanbase, why bother butchering what the current fans already love in hopes of attracting new fans? Even if you get some new fans you just lost a good chunk of the fans that were already there. Take Battlefield 2042 for example, they were saying stuff like "made by battlefield fans for battlefield fans", and I'm like "really? Are you sure that's what happened?" Cuz this crap ain't giving no bad company 2 or battlefield 3 vibes

[@inthedeadhours]

@@wolfstorm5394 my thing is...if you make a quality product for the fans then a broader audience will hear about it and then latch onto it too...game of thrones is a pretty good example of that.

[@kalleb92]

"did the show runners not understand?" Yes, they did not understand. And worse they didn't care to understand. They literally said they avoided the games so they could do whatever they wanted.

[@themanman7642]

Bruh wtf? This isnt halo bruh it's generic erotic show on netflux number I lost count

[@basilplushie2534]

No they read the Master chief X covenant Than they decided they should make a show out of it

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone! ❤

[@cendrizzi]

This seems to be a regular occurrence with modern Hollywood. They almost go out of their way to offend old fans of stuff they helm. It’s bizarre.

[@basilplushie2534]

@@Call_Upon_YAH Didn't ask

[@reyruiz793]

343 really just said “I have walked the edge of the Abyss. I have governed the unwilling. I have witnessed countless fandoms break before me. I have seen the most hardcore fans steer away in fear. I have seen your future. And I have learned. There will be no more happiness just Sadness. more Anger. more Envy. I HAVE WON. HALO SUCKS”

[@LeonLupin]

this is an irreversible act in our history

[@Incognito-gh5qi]

"it's fine to branch out but every tree must stick to it's roots." - act man, holy crap I am quoting this one from now on, genius.

[@Mugetsu2021]

OMG ACT MAN A PHILOSOPHER NOW!?!? OUR GOD

[@Zeta4]

-Act- Philosopher Man

[@IwhowasdatXD960]

Lmao i read this comment as soon as he said it

[@bautistabarabino5821]

The engilsh teacher we all wished to have learned from...

[@TheActMan]

I felt pretty satisfied with that one :)

[@wackywarrior001]

All these directors and writers think they are smarter then the source material , it’s so frustrating , echo has awesome mimic powers, the director literally said in an interview they were “ lame “ so they gave her unspecified do anything powers instead. So many shows to name them all that do this , so annoying , and the stuff they do is almost always worse and stupid what a waste

[@ThatGuy21872]

Cortana asks if they could possibly make any more noise, and Chief wordlessly grabs a rocket launcher with a slight nod of his helmet. God damn, I love that clip.

[@astrocolton6448]

“This is not Master Chief, this is John.” Forget that, this isn’t even John. This is Jimmy Rings, Joe Schmo, call him whatever you want, he is not Master Chief or John-117

[@26mic]

I create entertaining vids as well. I bet 100% you’ll laugh. If not you can come back to tell me kuz fr

[@colnelScar2]

I've been naming him Asster Cheeks. And the covenant spy Draco Malfoy

[@nofilterneito]

I will now be referring to this show’s main character as “Master Cheeks” because we see them more than anything else, and as a statement about the show

[@Ace56723]

Master Cheeks, his name is Master Cheeks

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@colnelScar2 lol, that is perfect. Draco Malfoy. So tired of this crap show

[@deadaccount87]

"Oh but how could we relate to Chief if he never shows his face!" Well we managed to do it for over 20 years without him showing his face now didn't we!

[@TheBtstephens]

Hell, even in the Mandalorian, his face is covered 95% of the time as is still very relatable

[@aptspire]

Not like the writers would know, they've never even played the games.

[@melontoast2567]

Wait 20 years? Holy crap. Halo came out 20 years ago. I feel old.

[@deadaccount87]

@@melontoast2567 Yup Halo Combat Evolved came out November 15, 2001. 21 Years ago.

[@jon3854]

@@deadaccount87 wow it’s only a month older than me

[@masterchiefofhalo4525]

The Halo series should’ve been about the entire war. Starting with first contact on Harvest and then jump forward several years for more important events

[@robertschan8650]

Watching this show makes me want to go buy the entire game franchise and binge play it to purge my mind of this abomination of a "halo series" 🤢

[@Pers0n97]

"Master Chief lose his v-card to a covenant spy and potentially lead to the destruction of Reach" That single line should be enough to summarize how insanely off the rail that show is.

[@hawkeye5955]

Death by snu snu except humanity gets glassed

[@JohnDoe-ns5su]

It’s like really bad fan fiction.

[@Pers0n97]

@Heavy D Of course I didnt watch it, wtf made you think I ever would watch that garbage fire?

[@tutuadefolalu3661]

Agreed. ActMan hit it on the head. It’s just a generic sci-fi show with a cosmetic Halo skin tagged on for brand recognition. The people who make the show didn’t even play the games. They proudly declared how they avoided playing the games so as not to be “constrained” by them. When will people learn that their wannabe fan fiction literally cannot compete with a product and story that has already captivated millions and brought in hundreds of millions of dollars? You made more work for yourself producing something that isn’t even half as good as the source material.

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@Pers0n97 Consumerist drones projecting their lack of self control onto other people.

[@KumaBones]

Master Chief being an angry raging steroid meatbag, is literally the opposite of how he behaves in the game. He's always cool and collected in the game. That's part of what inspires confidence in him.

[@Rexhunterj]

That's how he acted as a child. Spartan Boot camp kicked that shit right outta him. Which is how he became the defacto go-to leader of the Spartan 2s. If you wanted something from a Spartan 2, you found John-117. as an adult, even his fellow spartans looked up to him as a role model because he was perfectly stoic and never betrayed his emotions in his younger years. In the games we start to see that crack because he's emotionally worn down from losing so many people he cares about. I love how the books always make a big deal out of him having a breathe, time to check his gear, he'll go into a roster and mark Spartans MIA if they died, he does this faithfully and believes he'll be the last Spartan 2 standing carrying on their standard and memories until he dies. He's added so many non-spartans to that list, humans he admired, or who he respected for their valiant sacrifices or hard effort. Even Halsey is on his list and he has his doubts about her role in his upbringing. I believe his sentiment is that the Spartan 2 program was necessary, though started for the wrong reasons, it ended up being the thing that saved humanity for the right reasons, so he often excuses Halsey's behaviours.

[@dereksbooks]

Hey, at least this is still nowhere nearly as bad as Picard 😉

[@RedTheVariant]

angry and hateful seems more like Emile from reach. than Master Chief

[@davidgledhilljr71]

Yeah but he quite literally is a steroid using, hormonal enhanced, technohuman. His rage was clearly understandable. He found out what they did to him and his family. Ofcourse he wanted to smash. His struggle with emotion will make him a better character. I loved seeing realistic Spartans brawl, and outrun jeeps! Bad ass. And Kai was sweet. A giant woman with a great female figure and a fat ass. Awesome.

[@KumaBones]

@@davidgledhilljr71 Having a lab using steroids in a controlled environment, isn't the same thing as an individual abusing steroids and having rage fits over it. You're thinking about it from the perspective of a teenager. Not an engineered, heavily trained, conditoned, and established story character. Family? That's the UNMC already, so why would he go into a fit of rage over people he never knew? Might he become more introspective? Could he feel regret over learning of that? Yeah sure, and his own self-exploration, and "search for truth" might be a good bit of storytelling. But that's not what the "halo show" did. Not even close lol. Instead we got "alien sex scene" GGs Even when Master Chief shows anger, it's the type that's calm and controlled. The quiet anger, that plans their actions carefully. So he wouldn't go into a childish fit of rage.

[@Eagle3302PL]

Imagine a Halo TV show where season 1 retells the story of Fall of Reach, where the A plot is only the battle for Reach and all the drama and sacrifice that took. Meanwhile the B plot told in flashbacks would be the the events of Contact Harvest. The season ends with Reach falling and PoA arriving at the ring. Then season 2 adapts Halo: The Flood, with the A plot being the main events of the book up until the mission 343 Guilty Spark, while the B plot focuses on the history of the Spartan 2 program as described in Fall of Reach. The season has a huge finale with Assault on the Control Room and then the last 10 minutes are spent on Chief finding the helmet camera video footage that teases the flood. Season 3 then could tell the events of the remaining bit of Halo: The Flood but start introducing the Covenant politics and the Arbiter for the 1st half, then events that lead up to Halo 2 in the 2nd half. Season 4 could be all of Halo 2 retold and expanded, then finally end the whole thing with a massive 2 part finale or a movie that tells the story of Halo 3 which is lightest in the plot department but by far the biggest action piece. This approach sequentially tells us the entire Halo plot while hitting all the main story beats, giving plenty of room to explore other characters and the Chief himself. It tells us how we met the aliens, why they're trying to kill humanity, and how humanity survived. It'd be both dark and gritty but also leave room to have fun with witty characters like Cortana and Johnson and various Marines could become recurring named characters in different seasons. Most importantly, it's a complete story, with a very good bittersweet ending, interesting plot twists and revelations, and because it's a TV show the fights can be kept short and sweet while the rest focuses on exploring the relationships, political machinations, and internal conflicts inside both the Covenant and the UNSC/Humanity. To pad the runtime the show could do what great shows like The Expanse do, one off episodes that focus on small one off characters and side plots that show us just how harsh, terrible but hopeful that world can be while keeping our protagonists and B characters involved in the events and experience character growth. Some side plot ideas that could pad 20-30 minutes of an episode with relatively cheap production: - Spartan squads that were sent to their death to protect specific military objectives - some of the counterinsurgency missions Spartans did before the Reach events - some of the stories from halo legends e.g. that girl returning home to find a clone of herself - how some of the Spartans mutilated during augmentation have found ways to keep fighting, or maybe more dark consequences - horrors the covenant genocide either an aftermath or a pov story - 343 guilty spark's backstory - covenant history, Unggoy uprising for example or how our main 3 prophets came to power Things the show must always remember: - chief is a stoic, he does not have emotional outbrusts, he does not hate, he does not wallow, but he feels survivor's guilt and responsibility, and that guilt and responsibility slowly wears him down as he loses his family, and that's why he needs Cortana so much, she is the last person from his team he can protect - anything after Halo 3 ending is completely disregarded, any follow up plots should focus on events from the human covenant war or explore the Forerunner mythos - chief and other Spartans are not some robots, or brainwashed, or in any other way mind controlled, they are victims of their upbringing, they got kidnapped and indoctrinated into a military cult, and they mostly swallowed the cool aid and they feel justified when they end up being effective against the covenant - the UNSC is basically cold war America, full state media control and propaganda, gov agencies with no oversight and very shady shit being done - this is a war of humans being genocided, and barely surviving, it's a tragedy - that one scene in Halo: The Flood where chief gets stripped of his armor before talking to the ODST officer in charge, and he is described in detail to look, grizzled, pale, obviously genetically modified, and extremely tired, he is not some robocop type character, but he is also not just a human, he is a human weapon - Halsey is a monster, and she is only around because she got lucky enough for the Covenant to show up before her crimes were publicly known, also she is an absolute genius unlike any before her - Halo is already diverse, but dedicating more time to Johnson, Miranda, Mendez and many female Spartans would make both the og fans and identity politics nuts very happy, no need to race swap or add in any extra characters for the sake of diversity, find diverse characters that are already there and explore them more

[@wieldylattice3015]

I’ve never played a Halo game before but I probably need to. You know how I think they could’ve gone about revealing master chiefs face? Occasionally show his eyes flitting about in darkness in the first few episodes. Over time, he has to take off his helmet for various reasons. Every time his head is hidden in shadows and clever lighting. You slowly build up his character of loving being who he is now, feeling like his armor is an extension of his soul, who he is. You make it feel like he has a face even though you can’t see it, by for a while using his actions and thoughts as characterization, and making hints at his real face seem elusive and confusing, like an abstract dream trying to tell you something. You have a moment where he actually loses a battle, and you see him in a hospital bed, but his head is covered in bandages so you still don’t know what he looks like. During that, someone assumes his identity, so you have Master Chief walking around covered in bandages looking like a corpse trying to get his identity back. When he does, there’s a sequence where you see his mouth moving in shadows, explaining that no one can ever truly impersonate him because what makes him Master Chief isn’t wearing the armor, it’s being one with the armor, and embracing it as you would embrace a part of your personality. After that he would put his helmet back on. Finally, he’s captured and placed into a simulated world in an attempt to extort information from his mind, and his face is finally revealed in the simulation. The world is just like the world he had back home, and it tries to convince him that the Spartan project didn’t work, he’s just an average dude, and he’s gotta hell his family with something before going off to either college or the army. He slowly starts to see gaps in the fake reality, and have an existential crisis because he knows it isn’t right, and this isn’t who he is. He grows wary of the world around him, and sees his captor appear in the simulation several times, before battling them. At the end of the confrontation, Master Chief materializes a helmet just like his own, and declares that no matter who his real face is, his helmet represents the real person behind that face, that he can’t choose how his face looks, he can’t choose how people perceive his face, but through his actions he can choose who he is when he wears the helmet, and that there is no more genuine a form of him than when he’s wearing his armor. He can’t help that he’s John, but he chooses to be Master Chief because that’s who he truly is, a hero, a warrior, someone people can look up to. With this, he puts on his helmet, and the simulation overloads, causing the computers to crash. With this he’s able to escape back into the real world, and when he finally holds his real helmet in his hands again, he smiles to himself, before returning it to where it belongs, atop his head, and his face is rarely or never shown again

[@ryanshannon6725]

8:35 I immediately thought of the mandalorian. John Fav waited a whole season to reveal his face. The times he took off his helmet afterwards were very reasonable (bypassing security) and incredibly rewarding (so the audience could see two beloved characters saying goodbye before they parted ways). John Fav did an incredible job building up the emotion of those scenes for a character that people only knew for a little over a year. Paramount rushed a significant face reveal in just the first episode, for a character fans have been emotional for for decades... and it was anything but rewarding to see.

[@tridentgreen3346]

Just. This. Mandalorian did this so well, hell this is a pretty established trope to do. HOW DID THEY MESS IT UP SO BADLY?!!

[@bendak7584]

And then they ruined it with Book of Boba Fett by having him keep his helmet off 90% of the time.

[@gimmibox]

Dredd man. If Karl Urban can go through an entire movie without taking his helmet off, why can't Pornstache

[@MishIssel]

It’s like they made him remove his helmet because they were insecure about being compared to the Mandalorian

[@zTxMeta]

@@bendak7584 we literally already know what Boba looks like. Because he's a clone, a perfect clone, of Jango. There's no mystery behind Boba's face, because his face is revealed any time we see a clone without a helmet.

[@vampragon4386]

Fun fact: the series director actually *is* a 343 employee so there is literally no excuse for 343 to have allowed this shit to happen

[@matthewknudson8610]

No that’s the problem. 343’s storytelling is mediocre at best, and every Halo they have released so far has been marred with bad PR, bad campaign, sleazy monetizing, broken launches and quickly dying player bases. This is perfectly in line with their history. Confusing, out of touch, wasted time and money for flashy mediocrity.

[@brayanarreola7636]

Imagine if bungie was behind it instead

[@ANG3LOFDAD3AD]

@@brayanarreola7636 It would’ve actually been good.

[@RainCloudVideos]

@@ANG3LOFDAD3AD Idk about that. Destiny 1 and 2 were extremely disappointing and did not live up to halo at all. The art direction would have been on point though, bungie still kills in that department.

[@bable6314]

@@brayanarreola7636 If 2007 Bungie was behind it, it would have been great. If modern Bungie was behind it, it would have been slightly better than it currently is. At least it would have been faithful, tho

[@pothly]

worst thing they did, no matter what, was face reveal chief. that killed the show for me right off the bat and i haven’t watched past episode 2

[@helmetongrass1893]

my intrest died as soon as they assasinated dr. Hallsey's character it feels like they are intentionally screwing the halo show, so many characters like Kwan and that covenant lady who f....d master chief feel forced onto the audience, out of place, nonsensical

[@Aredel]

Honestly, a face reveal can work pretty well for the series if they time it right, like the Mandalorian did. Show flashbacks of him in training so the audience gets an idea of who’s behind the mask, but save the reveal for a really pivotal moment, like the fall of Reach. Don’t drop the reveal at the end of the first fucking episode.

[@poseidonetn.u.s.ebranch2610]

It would be so easy to make a GOOD Halo show. There are so many places you could start from. You don't even need to absolutely start with the Big Guy. You could start with Sergeant Johnson training soldiers on Harvest and then the covenant attack. Or yes start with C.E. but I'd personally have it start with the CCS Battlecruiser from reach being shot in the glassing beam. Noble six climbing down and watching the Pillar of autumn taking off. Following it and watching it fight a little in orbit knocking out another battlecruiser. And then going into slipspace, then we get to meet captain Keys, Cortana, and the Marines and then obviously arriving at the ring, and then the covenant attacking. And showing Master Chief waking up from Cryo Sleep. And following the story of C.E. adapted over for a show (edit cause of a spelling error)

[@vahlok1426]

"Foehammer is so critically underrated in the first game!" For a character who we never once see the face of, I was legit kinda sad when she crashed in attempt to evac Chief during The Maw. She was there pretty much from the start, and was there at the end of it.

[@drakkonahn8544]

Is she really underrated though? I can't think of a single person that didn't like Foehammer.

[@lIllIlllIlIllIlllIlIllIlllIl]

@@drakkonahn8544 Understated* I guess would be more fitting. I don't think I've ever seen anyone bring the character up in conversation who didn't grow up with Halo.

[@drakkonahn8544]

@@lIllIlllIlIllIlllIlIllIlllIl sure, she's not exactly a big character, but its crazy that the ability for her role in the game has left enough of an impact on me whenever I see a pilot in anything I just automatically assume the pilots name is foehammer.

[@Korfman]

In my eyes, Foehammer is one of the most iconic characters in CE. She has like 10 lines in the whole game and she's extremely memorable.

[@Cifer77]

and in the novel she was one of the vital pilots of Alpha Base, the base on halo run by the surviving Marines of Pillar of Autumn.

[@EnDK64]

“mAnDoLOrIaN sHoWeD hIs FaCe!” Yeah but you know Mando also had? An entire season for the audience to get to know him and make a connection, therefore making the face reveal emotional and impactful

[@Arrowtomahknee]

Mando also gave us a good idea of who he is without showing his face. The combination of Pascal's acting and the stellar writing made for a protagonist who is equal parts relatable yet mysterious. Also Mando showing his face in the final episode of the season was done with a narrative reason. He needed medical attention, and the only person who had seen his face was a Droid who was destroyed by the end of the episode. In the Halo show, Chief shows his face to a random insurrectionist for essentially no reason. Part of me feels like they knew they didn't have the writing to make something like The Mandalorian work, so they had John keep his helmet off for most of the show in order to not have to deal with producing actual good writing

[@pgil13]

i literally came to the comments to say what you just said. it was worth the pay off to finally see his face after so many episodes of getting to know him and almost thinking you might never see his face

[@icecoldpolitics8890]

I feel like this show should have gotten the dredd 2012 treatment

[@AmericanZergling]

Also, btw, Season 1 Mando reveal was well done. Season 2 Mando is where that show screwed up a bit more and showed his face more often than deserved.

[@HeathenMetalhead221]

Also book of boba fett flopped because I think for the same reasons Act Man went over. When I watched it I didn't see the cold bad ass bounty hunter. I just saw Temuera Morrison in some armor.

[@vizthex]

I think another reason the Covenant speaking English works is that it shows how they're trying to either destroy humanity and taunt them by speaking one of its major languages, or they're getting cocky and think they can force humanity into their fold as they've done with so many planets before.

[@edgaral]

Halo's Forward Unto Dawn looks like a master piece next to the Halo TV series lmaooo

[@johnleeka3282]

Honestly that wasn’t even a bad movie. That movie depicted cheif better in like 25 minutes of screen time better than the entire paramount tv show.

[@spartan117zm]

Paramount: “When we first removed Chief’s helmet, were you blinded by his majesty?” Fans: “No!”

[@mrplayfulshade1038]

"It was heresy!"

[@_MaZTeR_]

Noble hierarchs, surely you understand that once the writers attacked...

[@Spanish_Patriot]

Paramount deserves to be glassed.

[@mattlanglois9743]

The weight of your heresy will stay your feet, Paramount.

[@mikelopez5214]

“You’ve drawn quite an audience”

[@keiran5170]

You hit the nail perfectly with the point that , we haven't seen Chief being Chief before he removed his pellet. So we've had 8 episodes of Chief being a whiny teenager, shagging a covenant spy. The Mandolorian did the whole "man in a suit of Armour" way better and all paramount had to do was copy that.

[@Horatio787]

Halo obviously had constant executive meddling bullshit that prevented something with a coherent vision from coming out, it's why it took almost ten years. Say what you will about Disney but they'll put someone they like in charge and the thing will come out well or bad, but it'll fucking come out.

[@bradhaines3142]

mando was a great show

[@Gamma_249]

They are trying to appeal to broader audience, while at the same time expecting everyone to know the basis of this show, who the characters are, etc. Unbelievable

[@VorpalSlade]

@@Gamma_249 it's a very good allegory for the split between helmeted and unhelmeted Chief - the show's protagonist is just as divided as the showrunners' approach to him.

[@grubblewubbles]

@@Gamma_249 I know, it reminds me of infinites campaign. Extremely unsatisfying to series fans, while also being convoluted and confusing to newcomers

[@teacherabdul5982]

I will ignore this TV show. That's not Master Chief.

[@vgmms]

yes, that's Masta Cheap

[@undoubtedlyquantum3172]

"Master Chief? You mind telling me what you're doing on that TV show?" "Sir. Doing my laundry."

[@labaker23]

I finally understand how people who read a book series feel over an awful book to show/movie adaptation.

[@braindead5283]

I'm so sorry. It's not a feeling I'd wish on anyone.

[@malif1279]

And what us Resident Evil fans have been feeling about live-action for the past decade or so

[@alejandrobagg2591]

Facts :(

[@nhagan001]

Finally? Where have you been with Marvel and DC? Hell the Multiverse of Madness is a terrible movie in plot, characters, and motivations, but you see people swearing it is the best thing ever. People this time just can't find a way to defend trash THIS time around.

[@thelaughingjester7537]

First time? Yeah it’s not fun.

[@cavemanzach9475]

"Master Chief committed a war crime" I mean that's not the most surprising thing in the world, but the one he chose to commit is pretty damn shocking

[@Aredel]

A war crime that also constitutes as rape. Congratulations, show, you’ve turned Chief into a rapist.

[@mediocri5y]

Wats the war crime

[@AICW]

@@mediocri5y He had sex with a prisoner of war. By any ethical legal code, that is rape: No matter how much she's into it, she cannot refuse.

[@cavemanzach9475]

@@mediocri5y POWs can't consent. Chief essentially committed wartime r*pe

[@storyofus3943]

@@mediocri5y taking off his helmet and having sex

[@gnelfpmeh]

Imagine Master Chief running around crying about his fefe's cause he was kidnapped as a kid, while the Covenant murder everyone outside. Imagine Master Chief forcing Cortana to watch him have sex with a covenant spy. That's this show.

[@flamindoritos]

he made Cortana watch….. This gets WORSE and worse!! I can’t imagine any halo fan actually liking this trash

[@2005ARCTrooper]

I knew something was wrong when I saw that Cheif was in Mk. VI on Reach Then I found out none of the writers played the games, much less read the books

[@blazingstorm9351]

I think the gaming industry should declare an official rule when adapting a game. With the first rule being play the game first: doesn't matter if you're a director, producer, or writer, just play the game first.

[@pandadrug5519]

The key words "based on" literally give them free range to do whatever the fuck they want. Which is a slap in the face to the real fans who now have to get into a totally different take on the story they already loved.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Why would the gaming industry do that when they ALSO hate the fans?

[@kryse4806]

imagine a live action dark souls, and then it has showrunners who have no idea what a videogame is have to finish playing the trilogy. the show would still be shitty, but this time only intentionally, out of spite

[@jrbzrke]

AND read the originating BOOKS !!!

[@Zeriel00]

First rule is don't hire any woke writers from California, second rule, only develop the show in a thousand mile radius away from California. Only then you may have a chance.

[@corporalkills]

“I added sex to it, why the hell are they mad?” I don’t know why every series writer thinks that corrects poor writing “Appeal to a broader audience” has become code for “lower your expectations.”

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

When you try to appeal to everyone… you end up appealing to NO ONE. 💀

[@brendanhickey4955]

What audience are they appealing too? THEY HAD ONE.. like if they focused on making a good show the fans of the games would have advocated for the show and that would have been free advertising

[@LordGlacier7]

It's a code for "we want to get rid of Halo fans."

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight That is the exact reason 343i has been horrible at managing Halo for the past 10 or so years.

[@Coffy-chan]

Besides the fact Halo didn't need any sex scenes at all, god that was awkward. That's not how people have sex. Like at all. Hollywood sex seems like it was filmed by people who have never had sex. I've legitimately seen hentai made by virgins that was more accurate and erotic than Hollywood sex.

[@dylanchism1710]

"Master chief committed a war crime." Shit had me dead 😂😂😂

[@FuckTheWorld95c]

I think it's always the producers that want to do their own twist on adaptations, that's why they fuck up every single cinema/series adaptation, because fans who are the ones that actually watch it, go to watch a fair adaptation from the source material, and instead they find the fuckup that the showrunner that isn't even familiarised with the source material poops out.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

12:42 “Make em diverse.” That’s the funny part: Halo was already and always diverse. We already had amazing fleshed out characters, especially Sgt Johnson, who was NOT a stereotype. But then the showrunners clearly didn’t know Johnson existed, because they cast Capt Keyes as a black man for no reason. They were ashamed that the captain of an important ship was a white man and wanted to “diversify” the main characters. If they respected the source material and got their heads out of their asses, they would’ve known that Halo was already really good and diverse in its own right.

[@jesusalonso2179]

Facts These writers are 🧠☠️

[@parkeranimations3671]

It doesn’t really matter. The actor is fine.

[@wolfsden6479]

The good thing is they didn't fuck him up because don't know he exists.

[@nickm5419]

@@parkeranimations3671 yeah the actor for Keyes in the show is fine, its really just a combination of Captain Keyes and SGT. Johnson so maybe this version of Keyes will go on Away Missions in the battlefield w Master Chief, kind of like Star Trek

[@Punkertoon]

The crazy thing is if you take issue with forcing diversity they call you racist. But the same people getting annoyed by the casting of Keyes, regardless of acting chops, would be just as pissed if Halsey wasn’t blonde or Johnson wasn’t black with a mustache. You have the material. Just look at it.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

At first I was like "please don't fuck up Thel 'Vadam's character" But now I'm like "please spare Thel 'Vadam from being in this show"

[@north7764]

Supposedly, covie spy girl is the Arbiter. Of course, it’s a retelling(I don’t even think I can call it that, but you know what I mean.) of that character. They literally admit that it’s a fanfiction.

[@button4boy]

Imagine if they have Thel 'Vadam in the show, but don't give him Keith David's sweet, sexy, sultry voice and just have some random dude speaking that shitty made up language... 😱

[@Wedge_Khan]

@@north7764 please fucking no

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@north7764 of course she is, can't have the audience relate to an alien, therefore missing the point of Arbiter's story in Halo 2.

[@jonathandrown6615]

Were it so easy.

[@Killzoneguy117]

I'm reminded how so far, the two best Disney Plus Star Wars shows have not been Book of Boba Fett, or Kenobi, or even Ahsoka. Shows following well known and established characters from the movies and lore. No. The two best shows have been the Mandalorian and Andor. Andor especially because it relies on almost no established canon characters. And those that it does rely on have had such minimal treatment in other SW media like Mon Mothma, or only show up for a brief cameo, like Colonel Yularen. Andor's bread and butter was showing a story devoid of Jedi and their incredible abilities and focusing on normal, average, everyday people trying to survive and fight back against the Empire with nothing but their wits, their instincts, training, preparation and conviction. And that made for such an incredible, grounded, believable, relatable and compelling story. Now imagine a Halo version of that. No Masterchief. No SPARTANs. Just a squad of ODSTs or regular UNSC Marines trying desperately to fight back against the overwhelming might of the Covenant war machine. Losing their comrades one after another, but also demonstrating tenacity and resolve against the Covenant'a superior technology and might. That's a show with tension, a show that sets out the universe, the stakes, and because its not limited to the format of an FPS game, can focus much more on the actual lives and struggles of these characters. Its the same reason why Andor was so great. Why every great 40k story doesn't follow the Space Marines, but rather the Imperial Guard. Why DS9 is the best Star Trek series. Good sci fi stories are about the indomitable human spirit. Whether that's holding back a genocidal alien invasion or resisting a tyrannical totalitarian star empire. THIS is what a Halo TV show should be

[@joellimon4124]

A friend once told me "It would be boring to see the same thing as what we saw in the games" and yet hes waiting for a remasterd game of another franchise.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Expectations: A more expansive look on the insanely big Halo lore. Reality: People debating whether captain John Halo really cucked Cortana.

[@minedude33]

Akctuallsy 🤓 It's mAsTeR cHiEf PeTtY oFfIcEr 🙄

[@antogno4625]

Master cheeks

[@Eggsi__]

Definitely not my chief, for sure that's John halo/master cheeks

[@Hadgerz]

Watch, in season two the ''''wRiTeRs'''' of the show will have Cortana save Mister Cheeks' life, and he'll realise his tRuUuUe love was Cortana all along, that he made a mistake by desecrating Makee's sacred ring (we know this scene is here to pander to the lowest common denominator). This will somehow be his big character arc and the moment the show's story ties in with the games.

[@delta2372]

How is it that forward unto dawn a show made over 10 years ago a short on halo waypoint to help lead up to halo 4 is a better show than all that money a japanese owned company has?

[@JTMConceptions]

"Well it's an alternate timeline, so that's why Chief is so different." Okay, but.... why? Let me recap real quick, they gained the rights to adapt a Halo TV series. Nice, I'm all for it. But they decide to not follow the games so that they can create an alternate timeline with a less interesting and engaging plot? And keep the characters from the games, but make them less interesting, less enjoyable versions of them? What was the point of changing anything from the game story, if you're just going to replace it with an objectively worse version of it? Like how arrogant do the show runners have to be to take a beloved franchise, go out of their way to decide to turn it into a TV show, smuggly shrug off the great story the games directly tell them in favor of "smh, Video Game story? Pfft. We can do better than a measly video game!" and then proceed to completely butcher it. It's like the entire production crew decided to take a course in how to create a television failure before getting to work on the Halo TV show.

[@EskChan19]

This. I will never understand why people keep trying to make an adaptation of something and then go out of their way to completely change things. Why not just make a new Sci-Fi series if you hate Halo? Why go out of your way to make a Halo show, but then completely change everything the build-in audience likes about the source material? I didn't understand that with Dragonball Evolutions, I didn't understand that with Doom Annihilation and I didn't understand that with pretty much any Netflix adaptation and I don't understand it here either. If you want to adapt source material, FREAKING ADAPT THE SOURCE MATERIAL!

[@musek5048]

i remember reading those eric nylund halo novels when i was younger and it was awesome learning about the lore and how expansive it really was. he did a great job immersing you into the story and action sequences that all these showrunners had to do was just go with that or something similar but NOPE! arrogant bastards really think their version is gospel or something lol

[@quincycarra9107]

I mean they just made it explicitly clear that they don't think very highly of the material they are adapting for their television show. They got a bunch of writers and directors that clearly don't like Halo. Which just boggles my mind, because if you were going to make a show about an already established and EXTREMELY successful franchise, why the absolute fuck would you try to make it for people that don't like that already established and EXTREMELY successful franchise? If you make a show about Halo, or Mass Effect, or Bayonetta, or Fallout, or literally ANYTHING, you should AT THE VERY LEAST make it for the people who are ALREADY fans of it. It doesn't make sense from a community perspective, and it makes even less sense from a business perspective. Only reason anybody at 343i has jobs is because Microsoft pays their bills. There is no way in hell that company could stay afloat on its own merits, and it's sickening to see it operate like a parasitic entity feeding off the fame and fortune of much more talented people (the original teams at Bungie).

[@TheRhalf]

Also happened with Lucifer, except people actually liked that show

[@musek5048]

@@quincycarra9107 its becoming glaringly obvious that these companies that get the rights to beloved franchises would rather burn it to the ground than allow others to give it the success and respect it deserves.

[@Holy_Wraith]

At least HALO fans got something close to HALO, we Star Trek fans was screwed worse when we got Star Trek Discovery.

[@nissadragon3493]

They could've created a part regarding headhunters, elites, Tartarus, the flood. Points they couldve introduced into to be lore but they have started from the most centralized and concrete part of the whole timeline which was horrible choice. Forgetting they've changed a multitude of finished character personalities. It's stupid and just poor effort.

[@davidedod195]

Imagine pirating this show and still feeling like you got scammed 💀

[@FuriouzDragon45]

Cuz your time got wasted

[@yig_501]

oh my gilod XD

[@krapto3467]

I have indeed been scammed of my time, Worse so considering I was in the middle of my final exams and time was kinda important.

[@shaggyscooby7888]

🐛

[@davidstinger1134]

Well, you know what they say, time is money.

[@th3sh6d0w9]

“Money can buy talent, but it CANNOT BUY VISION” - The Act Man

[@nybergsgarage]

"They shall pay the price for their lack of vision!"

[@kanthanesankandiah8186]

@@nybergsgarage i agree. Sanction controversy paramount . They are the one who divided gaming community. There are either A , leaving gaming alone or B wall street bets (reddit group) target their shares and stock as retaliation for this nonsense.

[@combativeThinker]

@@kanthanesankandiah8186 Their heresy shall stay their feet.

[@Black-Din0]

If you want a picture of how much potential Paramount threw down the drain just imagine this. If Paramount just decided to make a story following what happened in halo CE, they could have made a scene where the master chief exits his life pod after crash landing onto the halo ring. He would then wake up after passing out during the crash. When he wakes up he leaves the life pod, and looks up at the magnificence of the halo ring, and the halo chorus would start up as he stares at the sky. While he looks up he would notice the covenant drop ship on its approach and leave the life pod, getting back to the mission. It’s a shame we’ll never see this in 4k.

[@mhofferber]

Yeah, the show felt to me like someone had a Sci Fi TV show script already written and then they got the rights to Halo and just covered their totally different sci fi show in the Halo aesthetic. Like they just took the names and the artwork and slapped it onto something completely unrelated.

[@phantomkiller9374]

Ea: Gets the worst company award. Paramount: *Somehow outdid Ea by literally butchering a legend even non gamers know.*

[@BaconPuncakesX]

underrated, so true

[@childishjarbino1558]

Activision: listen it could be worse

[@A.R.T.4]

@VelktorCreationsMFQ it’s not the whole company, just these specific writers. For example, the Sonic movies were a hit to fans and non-fans with the second being even better than the first. These guys however can’t seem to handle HALO

[@Fadaar]

dont forget Star Trek too

[@hoesmad8626]

@VelktorCreationsMFQ metal gear moviee on the way, directed by the king kong skull island director and with that isaac guy from moonknught as snake

[@joshyboy9804]

"Foehammer is so critically underrated in the first game!" Truer words have never been spoken. Rest in peace, Echo 419.

[@Brandon-bc1fz]

bruh the feels....

[@Wes.A.R.]

F . 🫡

[@infinitespace2520]

Press F to pay respects:

[@DrunkLurker]

Yup. For what it's worth, when Chief meets Polaski, he notes that she's from the same company as Foehammer and hopes she's as good as Echo 419. And in his eulogy for Polaski, Master Chief notes she would have made a good Spartan, which speaks volumes for both of them.

[@benben3277]

@@DrunkLurker amazing nerves of Steele pilots man

[@friskydingo9024]

When I was in Highschool playing the Halo games with my buddy's we'd talk about how amazing it would be to have Halo shows and LotR and all these series we've been given and now I wish we never had them. These shows are all so bad. The games and books for these series were great but the shows are horrible.

[@bricecate]

I dont think master cheif should have been the main character for at least the first half. Focus on the marines, let the Spartans sound like a myth, then let the marines react to seeing one first, then slowly reveal the ranking, move to master chief at the end and maybe a main character later. With a helmet on.

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

Let me explain: They got the rights to a halo show, they knew it already had a fanbase so they didnt think of it as a risk. They gave it to writers and directors who do not care about halo and want to write their own show, but because they're stuck with halo, they have to write their own show within the confines of halo. So they just didnt. Happening a lot lately, Witcher and Star Trek are good examples of this, creators taking something they dont care about and changing it.

[@joster118]

Don't forget about what Disney did to star wars. That's probably the biggest fucking of a pre existing franchise in recent times.

[@FPSninjaFACE]

At least witcher wasnt so hard to watch

[@imtoogoodatpvp1252]

Thou darest insult the Witcher show? HOW SILLY, HAHA, to compare it to this mess they call "Halo", dost thou even read the books?! Thou peasant!

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

Isn't it funny that your comment applies to 343 just as perfectly? Let me explain: They (343) got the rights to Halo, They (343) knew it already had a fanbase so they didn't think of it as a risk, they (343) gave it to writers and directors who do not care about Halo (A bunch of developers who Hated Halo) and want to write their own show (Wanted to make a call of duty game) but because they're stuck with Halo, they have to write their own show within the confindes of Halo, so they just didn't (343 making Halo 4 and 5, debateably Infinite) Applies near perfectly if you swap some movie/tv show based words to those in relation to Games.

[@UsesofBatman]

@@joster118 Acting like we haven’t got some of the best star wars content with Disney

[@teacherabdul5982]

Halo was the only reason why I got an Xbox. Thank you writers for messing up a good character. I waited years for this show.

[@maxmuetzel5364]

"Im incredibly excited about the great journey we're all on" Halo Fans: THE JOURNEY US LIE!!!!!!

[@424scout]

The thing that scares me the absolute most, without question, and genuinely concerns me... Is that this is what will introduce new generations to halo

[@z-zum-m3945]

That’s what’s really pissing me off. Like people would now know this bitch ass paramount actor as chief whereas he’s one of the most epic heroes. Like wtf he’s so selfish that he’s even thinking about sex and feelings while humanity is getting slaughtered. The real chief prioritizes the survival of the human race and doesn’t give a fuck about his feelings or other things that would prevent him from completing his tasks… Pure Soldier. Anyways f*ck paramount

[@bautistabarabino5821]

"Wait a second...WHY ISN'T MASTER CHIEF PILE DRIVING THAT COVENANT?¡?¡?¡"

[@kvproductions2581]

nah. not with a sex scene. You're good, kids won't watch this crap, unlike the SW sequels you're not in danger of clueless fortnite kids taking over

[@Rawnblade13]

Not like 343 has done a much better job either...

[@quincycarra9107]

@DZurV I'm 24 too and god damn are you just jaded to all hell. You gotta wonder how similarly you sound to the older generations right now, and ask yourself "did they think they were as right as I think I am?" Times change, it's not a symptom of some grand downfall of humanity. What's old is new again, and what's new will one day be old.

[@Quillian]

Out of all my years of being a fan of Halo, I never once imagined Master Cheif naked let alone helmet less, but never having sexual intercourse with a covenant spy lmfao, I'm so done with this show 💀

[@walter7787]

Lmao

[@Nathan-jx6lg]

Halo was built by bungie from the ground up, the gameplay, the humour, the artwork, the mystery, the Master Chief, the story was so rich, the experience from Halo CE through to Reach was the best I have had of any game franchise. It is now a distant memory. Halo 4 took liberties with the artwork they had no right to, they should have played it safe with the artwork and done something similar to halo 3 and reach, instead of trying to make some sort of over polished plastic looking piece of shit, they changed pretty much everything, they were following up on world class story telling with a mediocre campaign, the button pushing animation oh my, the design of the Prometheans is meh, and the forerunners are ugly as hell, I would have been more forgiving and accepting of this game and it’s story if they had of just stuck to the same art style and not made an effort to change or have a unique take on every single detail, I absolutely hate Chiefs armour in this game. Lasky is really lame, was he supposed to be some kick ass character like Keyes or Johnson? I never played Halo 5 after the disappointment from Halo 4, and from what I’ve seen and heard, I’m glad I didn’t play it. Who the fuck is Spartan Locke? lol what a joke Halo Infinite in my opinion is a step in the right direction art style wise, I’m not a massive fan of it, but it’s definitely leaps and bounds better than 4, even CEA and H2A, idk about 5 because I haven’t played it, it’s actually the only thing I like about the game, the gameplay is pretty average for halo, and the campaign was just shit, at least Halo story is kinda reset and they could go better places from here. I really wish they would just make halo into something larger and have teams of 64v64 with flyable pelicans, phantoms, spirits, drivable scarabs, playable hunters, game modes like invasion, that sort of thing They had no idea what made halo great and they have blemished and fumbled one of the greatest gaming franchises of all time. It would have been better if they just never made 4,5,infinite and just made mcc with the original games as a reboot, it would have had a way higher player base

[@y337]

Just watch The Mandalorian instead (at least the first season), and imagine that’s chief. They did the whole thing, including the helmet take off reveal just better

[@SupremeMarioGamer]

I can only imagine: what if Guillermo Del Toro (a fan of Halo) was in charge of the Halo TV show? What kind of epic space opera he could've given us?

[@Jstck1]

One where Chiefs evil twin joined the flood

[@cook7973]

Neil Blonkamp (hopefully that’s how it’s spelled) made a short halo film (Halo Landfall) as part of the hype campaign for Halo 3 and it was ridiculously good. It was about a group of ODST/Marines trying to find the Chief after he had ejected from the Ark at the beginning of Halo 3, and it probably would’ve ended where Halo 3 begins For a variety of reasons he was never able to make it a full film, and the assets and sets they had made for a Halo film ended up going into District 9, another sci-Fi movie set in Southern Africa, and it was super good.

[@rileyoakley7196]

@@cook7973 would’ve been a much better show if it focused on the marines and odst’s than the chief and Spartans tbh

[@BahhBahhBrownSheep]

Halo doesn't even have an interesting story or premise, it would take a miracle to make a TV show based on it anything more than okay. Somehow this version is still the worst possible outcome though.

[@GrantedBunion]

I think Dennis Villeneuve would be perfect as He's fantastic at Sci Fi. After watching Pacific Rim I don't think Toro would do great job for Halo, decent probably but not great

[@williamdutton3928]

When folks argue "it's set in a different universe. It's not canon" to justify the story and characters being different... Well what's the point of making a Halo show if it's gonna be different to Halo?

[@alexanderrobins7497]

I was hoping for only some slight lore and character changes, but not this level of bastardization. It is more likely these hack writers/directors had their original script rejected, but had to plagiarize aspects of the Halo IP to get approved.

[@richardschlange9629]

Money

[@aarondavis2018]

The whole project screams a weird mix of woke "colonizers and soldiers are oppressive and bad" with the death knell that is "ohhh we writers can blow your mind with how good we can create a universe!" It sucks becuase all they had to do is get out of their own way. Star Wars should be the example for any IP trying to prove to its fans that the universe they love is inferior to what the new writers can create!

[@enasnI99]

"iTs a dIfFeReNt uNiVeRsE" head asses-the lot of em

[@saladv6069]

That works for things that can have plenty of adaptations, or something that already has multiple universes to mess with. Transformers, DC, etc. but since it’s not like Halo getting another tv show anytime soon, it’s a total waste.

[@FAVOURITEBRO]

An absolute travesty that of all the halo media it’s fucking paramount that thinks it has the right to show us chiefs face fully. Yes I know about halo 4 legendary ending but it’s not the whole face. Wtf is this

[@markgruner5812]

I still get depressed that we never got the Neil Blomkamp Halo movie/series.

[@idktbh8739]

I just don’t understand how even non-fans can unironically enjoy the tv show…

[@lorddenalian]

Easy, GoT. Halo doesn’t fit that mold. Others would like Dune or BattleTech…BUT I wouldn’t want them touch by those degenerates who want to suck up IPs and push agenda.

[@iZehta]

Never played the Halo games because I never owned an Xbox (thinking of getting them on Pc to see what all the hype has been about all these years) but as soon as I heard that they intentionally ignored the games, I immediately “noped” because I refuse to support this kind of writing/production

[@epic7783]

Because everyone has a different opinion. Let them be.

[@Zathren]

They flip that little switch in their brain labeled "dont think, just consume next product"

[@cursedhawkins1305]

Because you just said why they like it, THEY AREN'T FANS! They don't know of the franchise just like the fucking producers don't know of the franchise when they admitted to never have played any of the games so you can make a pretty good damn guess that they never read a fucking book.

[@HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire]

"The Halo tv series is despicable" Nay, it was heresy!

[@Definitelynotjaz]

Walked into my girlfriend starting the first episode and saw people holding MODERN WEAPONS and I asked her what it was and she kept saying halo I didn't believe her until I saw and elite and left the room

[@theduelist649]

YKNOW, all those old studios claimed to be the “Halo Killer” 343 is the Halo Killer. They are killing Halo, and I don’t know how I feel about it.

[@ryanb6614]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is mediocre

[@isaaclai1636]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is dogshit, the fuck are you smoking?

[@SeelsOfElation]

@@coltforce_playz2291 Infinite is a game that COULD be good but has too many issues with balancing, customization, micro transactions and general lack of content to be good. Its base gameplay has potential but everything around the gameplay needs to be wayyyyy improved

[@isaaclai1636]

Celebrate it, let 343 get what they deserve.

[@darthrevan454]

"Fine I'll do it myself"

[@_Devil]

The show creators bragging about never looking at the source material is what cemented my hatred for it tbh. I mean, they REALLY thought that going on Twitter and saying "Lmao we know jack shit about the lore behind John Halo or who he is" would make us cheer them on and go buy Paramount+ subscriptions en mass. Edit: Im not buying Paramount+, you shills in these replies. Stop trying to convince me that this below-mediocre show is a "love letter to Halo fans". Get yo Battlefield 2042 asses outta here.

[@reddithirumuri5479]

That just shows the only reason they made this show was to just cash in on the popularity of halo

[@HaloDieHard]

This just shows that you didn't read the whole article that mentioned that they "didn't look at the source material" Do some research

[@istvanfodor9749]

For fucking real. At that point why even call it Halo. Just make up an entirely different plot and story. Oh wait, calling it Halo draws the sales they would've never had.

[@LFielding07]

@@HaloDieHard what this guy said. The showrunners said they talked with 343 about the Halo lore, not about the games.

[@TheSinatra]

@@HaloDieHard mid show + the games are better + Ratio