The Harsh Truth About Eli and The Hall of Fame

[@jameshardensfatsuit5726]

"The HoF isn't just a statistical leadeboard; it's a museum that tells the story of football." What a great way to say it.

[@rustyapellido4611]

for real

[@stanjones5341]

Can’t tell the story without the guy that stopped the “perfect” season.

[@RockSmithStudio]

Yep. Impossible not to talk about the 2000s of the NFL without mentioning Super Bowl XLII, considered by many to be not just the greatest Super Bowl but one of the greatest football games of all time

[@HarupertBeagleton-dz5gw]

Plus he's part of his father's and brother's story.

[@TyyTheFlyGuy]

@@RockSmithStudioI’ve never heard anyone say it was the greatest Super Bowl though.

[@al-nur999]

Hey, that's Chad Powers

[@johnlozauskas778]

I love that story!!

[@leonvalentine3748]

Great name

[@Ty91681]

Think fast, run fast

[@derricklopez5632]

Fast Chad

[@derrickross7816]

Hall of famer

[@Xhoven]

This was a great video. Very well done. One small critique. I think you should say a record of 117-117 as "117 and 117" rather than "117 out of 117", because that makes it sound like only 117 games were played.

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Definitely sounds better that way! Lol, I'll remember this for the future. Always appreciate the critiques!!

[@LetsDoBongs]

A syntactical Nazi we have

[@blue44drums]

@@AnotherSportsChannelwas about to say the same thing, confusing if not paying attention closely, great vid tho 🙏 keep it up

[@twerktospec]

@@AnotherSportsChannel I think you should spend a few days in jail for having said it that way in the first place.

[@dannywhite7786]

@@AnotherSportsChannelur a dum ass and said it that way on purpose and you know it

[@UnironicallyZay]

As a giants fan- we’ve had it rough these last few seasons. And it’s been a while since I felt pride in big blue. Your video helped me relive the good times with Eli- I’m subscribing just for that

[@drob774ify]

He doesn't even deserve a ballot or vote.. Eli had so many picks,lost games,and was never a td machine at all. But he will get in cause of his name and beat brady.. he's not hof..... no way..

[@ceezy585]

@@drob774ify but if somebody came from the past in a Time machine and you had to explain the last 20 years of football, you’re bringing up Eli Manning twice

[@drob774ify]

@UnironicallyZay ya ya i get 🤪 cause you're the guy that did it..Dethroned !! 😏 🤪

[@eeNORMous1]

.... and I still don't know why Eli gets credit for beating Tom Brady Eli Manning has never in his lifetime played a snap on an NFL defense the Giants defense are the ones that need to get credit for beating Tom Brady and the Patriots Go Giants!!

[@drob774ify]

@eeNORMous1 idk but it's real

[@JohnClarkW]

He is still 11th in passing yards ( 57k ), and of the people ahead of him, 2 are still playing, and he is ahead of Elway, Moon, Tarkenton ( all in the HoF ). It is hard to tell the story of the NFL without him, given that he beat the team that was considered the best in NFL history, in a Super Bowl.

[@zaneghiskhan]

And did it twice!!

[@danielevans8728]

His stats aren`t what is important, because the game changes. He is no where close to the likes of Elway, Moon, & other guys he may have more stats than. Solid career but what he did in those Super Bowl runs is why he deserves it.

[@evanwilliams3821]

pre 21st century passing stats are very deflated because the passing era were in now just wasn't really a thing so it's not surprising that he's above elway and tarkenton. Moon didn't come to the nfl until he was 28 because of racism so he would be clear of eli in counting stats had he entered the league at a normal age. Eli has a great narrative, but the hall is to honor the best players ever. Not a good player who beat brady.

[@Hengel_Andrews]

@@begeneinerI’m no Eli fan, but if Troy Aikman in the the Hall so should Eli!

[@independentRestorationServices]

@@begeneinerthat’s fine, make the argument based on his performance in big games and the Super Bowl but saying his blown out passing stats don’t carry as much weight now that almost everyone throws for 300 yards/game. That used to signify a crazy good game. Now guys will throw for 300 and lose by 2-3 TDs. There’s so much more passing and so many rules that allow passing to happen compared to slot WR getting knocked unconscious for catching balls across the middle.

[@davyannajones]

2 Super Bowl rings 2 Super Bowl MVPs 7th in passing yards (when he retired) 7th in passing touchdowns (when he retired) 4 Pro Bowls That’s a hall of fame resume and if you want to talk about turnovers then check Brett Favre & John Elway’s stats.

[@cjhan9816]

2 SB victories against Tom Brady.

[@joahprivette8646]

@@cjhan9816 yea beating Tom Brady twice in Super Bowls in the middle of the Patriots Dynasty cements his HoF.

[@blazinpyromaniac]

I don’t understand how people say Ben roethlisberger is a guaranteed HOFer but Eli Manning isn’t, when they have similar accolades. Big Ben has 0 MVPs, 0 All-Pros. His status will be based on his SBs and his long term career. At least Eli Manning performed well in the SB games he played. Beat Brady twice and earned 2 SB MVPs.

[@miindofmurdee421]

FACTS

[@XanderXel91]

@@blazinpyromaniac it’s mostly biased pats and eagles fans that are loudly obnoxious about it. Pats fans are obviously mad that he ruined their perfect season and beat them another time. Eagles fans are envious that he was the most successful QB in their division for his entire career and beat them many times.

[@Arkensik]

I remember when I subscribed and you had 100 subs, I knew this channel would be huge and too see how much the community grown is very wholesome and inspiring. This channel is something special man great video as always.

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Bro!! I remember when you subbed!! Thank you and am truly grateful for you guys always coming back

[@TeamTimeRiders]

I don’t sub to a lot of stuff, but I subbed to this channel. The content is superbly researched and presented, and he just has a way of finding my favorite sports topics and talking about them. Love me some Mike Evans and Eli, and he gave me both!

[@jackharrist8180]

Loved this video. Like you said, it's not just beating the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl, but how well Eli played during those runs. In 2011 he beat the 15-1 Packers and outplayed MVP Rodgers in the Divisional Round, and then beat the Harbaugh 49ers in a game where he got beaten to a pulp and just kept getting up over and over.

[@ForgotAboutHIM]

Not to mention after a subzero game beat a undefeated pats meaning he out played the best defense meanwhile Brady couldn’t be a “14 ranked defense” if Eli not a hoFer Brady isn’t end of story you can’t lose 2 times to a non HoFer and be a HoFer

[@tomknapp6194]

Eli didn't beat squat. He had to rely on Brady to have one of his worst days of the season and still need one of the luckiest plays in history to barely beat 14 points. And that 49ers game? 58 attempts for 2 TD and 316 yards? Do you really think that was good? 10 of his 20 points came on drives that started inside the 49ers 30 on turnovers. Outside of that he crossed midfield 3 times in 15 drives. Oh, yeah, he also barely won against a team that was 1/13 on 3rd down and outside of one play almost didn't have 100 yards passing. And Eli beat the 49ers and Patriots when they scored 17 points. The NFL only went 32-11 against teams that scored 17 points winning by an average of 8. Eli needed incredibly lucky plays to barely win bu 4 points or less both times. Stop thinking that only Eli could have won those games. The defense won them.

[@EvaSlayAllDay334]

Right but….thats it. There’s literally nothing else you can point to over a body of work. The sun shines on a dog’s ass every so often. But his entire career was average or mediocre, at best.

[@Dluiogbre]

@EvaSlayAllDay334Eli was never even a top 5 QB in the NFL while he was playing. Let’s just let giants fans have this dream at least. They need something. We all know Eli is never getting voted in lmao.

[@ForgotAboutHIM]

@ yet he beat brandys 18-0 pats and did it a few years later same team destroying everyone else you hate to understand how good Eli was the team he had wasn’t good they won a ring with nicks as NO 1 receiver like stop it Brady had a monster team around him if Eli not Top 5 at any time then Brady is just a bum ig

[@johnlozauskas778]

As a life long suffering Giants fan Eli was a great QB because he's a humble soft spoken man who brings his lunchbox and goes to work each and every day. Brady had beaten Eli twice that season but Eli beat him when it matter. He is the only QB to beat Brady twice in the Superbowl. Thank you for reviewing this great player!

[@patrickprafke4894]

Funny how football went from a team sport to a 1 position is all that matters. Sad.

[@henrywallacesghost5883]

​@@patrickprafke4894Yeah, I kind of remembered that Giants d-line being in Brady's face both games.

[@Frogs7482]

@@patrickprafke4894it’s all sports lil bro not just football. Lebron has 6 finals losses. Yet it isn’t 5v1. Main guy gets the blame. Or the praise. Brady walked his team up and down the field. Elis defense stopped them and Eli capitalized on offense. Obviously a team game , but there’s only 1 qb who led there team to beat the patriots

[@AmirKhan-yv8jm]

The greatest QB in NY Giants history!

[@justbecause9645]

@@patrickprafke4894 Yet Brady got ALL the credit after a win.

[@Shiivvz]

Eli broke my heart as a 10 and 14 year old Patriots lifer, and is definitely a hall of famer As I got older, it becomes more impressive to think about what he did against Tom Brady and those undefeated 2007 Patriots, 2 tight end 2011 Patriots Respect

[@tuckerconley3462]

If Eli gets in, especially on first ballot it shows the politics of the people of the hall of fame & the power of the manning name. He's not a hall of famer to me, cause I want the best of the best in. For me, if I had a ballot the two guys I'm putting in for sure are Adam Vinetari & Antonio Gates, who should have been in their last year.

[@AlmonMalk]

As a cowboys fan I’m jealous and can’t like him

[@tuckerconley3462]

@@AlmonMalk As a Pats fan I don't like him either, but that's nothing to do with it, I wouldn't put .500 QB regular season guy in the HOF. He's had some clutch moments in the playoffs, but for me HOF's are an eye test, if its this hotly debated he's probaly a giants hof, not a pro one.

[@krakenNation]

No he’s an average qb at best had a .500 record as a starter led league in int 3 times he wasn’t anything special

[@realchimera99]

Eli was so good. It was an upset in 2007, but it was not surprised based on result of the last regular season game and the progress of SB. As for 2011, if Patriots won the SB, that would be an upset.

[@moegunn5434]

Lifelong Giant fan here, I was never a big Eli fan. Not athletic enough, didn't play "sexy" enough, etc. My cousin once told me, "You'll miss him when he's gone. "....boy was he right !

[@dylanmcmahon9690]

How could you not have love for Eli after those playoff runs alone though? He played lights out both SB runs in the playoffs. Asking as a Giants fan too, I honestly feel blessed I became a fan in his rookie year because I saw 2 SBs and a lot of competitive football for the Giants, a QB that would be beaten into the ground and get back up, a QB that could be given the ball with 90 seconds left in a game and win it for you. Since then, it's become more and more obvious how busted we are as a franchise, haven't been able to get a solid offensive line in over a decade, Eli was always getting belted, especially in the tail end of his career and it hasn't changed since, his two best receivers were Plax(who shot himself when we were looking to repeat) and OBJ(boat trip before Green Bay) and to be honest our running game was pretty average/shit as Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw aged till we had Saquon which was too little too late. I'll agree the defense had some incredible moments/seasons but they sure had some stinkers along the way too. Without Eli doing his thing those two runs, Giants would be minus 2 SBs, I'm happy to hear arguments but I think Eli was monumental in those runs and overall, a QB that could have shined brighter on better teams.

[@Mr.Badree]

- Six playoff runs - Eight wins in twelve playoff games, - Two rings for a massive sports market and probably the only two rings the Giants will see for a long time - 4x pro bowler (had more like 6-7 pro bowl seasons) - two time SBMVP - top ten in the all of the key QB counting stats ...that's a hall of fame career.

[@Jtevkicksandcards]

Facts he beat the best team ever in the 1st superbowl win 1 of the best days of my life. Si many awesome moments eli gave giants fans hes a hero

[@charlesatkinson4340]

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[@RockSmithStudio]

This is my first video I've watched one of this videos. I'm so glad the algorithms recommended me this today! Subscribed!

[@CLoKo-sm4ug]

I wonder if it’s because it’s another sports channel

[@drew8996]

This may be your best video yet. The editing, the argument supported by evidence- extremely well done!

[@fr0nkky20]

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[@jimmyispromo]

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[@AnotherSportsChannel]

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[@johnkimD5761]

I've been waiting for a new vid broski...that was a gud watch though

[@Spike_au]

Great video. Good length, well produced and narrated Subscribed!

[@robertcarter8868]

Jim plunkett deserves to be in hof if manning gets in

[@lttfan9185]

and so would Kenny Anderson

[@BigBossCQCLegend]

Sad but true lol

[@Aztecism]

Plunkett was regularly benched for Marc Wilson and his career before the Raiders was hardly noteworthy.

[@JackieDaytona1776]

I wasn't expecting to be so drawn into this video. I liked and subscribed. I will always love Eli Manning. Kurt Warner and the '04 Giants were the first Giants team I watched. Eli started just a few weeks later and from my pre-teens into my twenties, every. Single. Sunday. Eli Manning showed up. He always said the right thing. He always led by virtues and values on and off the field. He had two 'never in a lifetime' runs that I will always cherish and the memories of watching those runs with my Dad. He will always be my favorite Giant.

[@uwotm81993]

He scored 17 and 19 points in 2 super bowls. Insane he is the one that gets the lions share of tbe credit and not the defense.

[@JohnClarkW]

Brady gets credit for a couple of wins that were nothing special on his part. The 13 points against the Rams, and the 20 points against the Rams stick out.

[@uwotm81993]

@JohnClarkW yeah but Brady has 3 Mvps and 7 trophies and was constantly cream of the crop. All Eli has are those 2 runs it's the only thing he can hang his HoF case on and in neither game did he crack 20 offensive points. Brady Peyton and those upper echelon QBs dont need to split hairs on because they're locks.

[@JohnClarkW]

@@uwotm81993 while I agree with that, Brady never won a Super Bowl without a top 10 defense. When they bought him the best offense in NFL history ( at the time ), he couldn't pull it off for a decade. The Patriots best years, were Tom's bad seasons, because they didn't need him to win every game. If Elway was a lock, then Eli is too, and Eli didn't need the best RB of his generation to drag him to his rings.

[@Jamescenter95]

Eli is not even close to being in the same class as Brady and Elway.

[@JohnClarkW]

@@Jamescenter95 while I agree about Brady. Eli is better than Elway. Despite it being his thing, Elway's 31 4th quarter comebacks are only 4 better than Eli's 27. If not for Terrell Davis, Elway never wins a Super Bowl. Actually TD makes the case for how the HoF isn't about averages, it is about the peak. He had 4 good years, then sucked for 3 years ( which got him to NFL retirement ). Of his 15 years, Eli had 3 bad years, Elway also had a 23 int year, and his TDs numbers were not great, with only 7 years where he threw for 20 or more, vs 11 for Eli. When Elway played, the AFC had horrible QBs, but the NFC teams spent far more money, and had more talent. Elway only played 4 years during the salary cap era.

[@dddd-xg7yo]

Enjoyed the video.; however, a couple points. First, I have never used W/L record to evaluate a QB without context. In 16 years, the team behind Eli produced just 7 All-Pros and 44 Pro Bowlers compared to the NFL average during that same time period of 12 APs and 48 PBs. Also, the D during those years had an average rank of 19th and the rushing O an average rank of 17th. So, the NYG would've have well below 500 with a replacement QB. Second, the 2011 season gets lost as part of his legacy. He took a team that finished last in rushing with a bottom 10 D to the POs by owning the 4th Q and setting the 4th Q records for TDs and YDs.

[@thebryguysgaming]

Hell the 2008 season always gets overlooked too. If Plaxico doesn’t shoot himself, they had a great shot at a repeat.

[@XanderXel91]

Fans love to use as an argument that he was carried by elite defenses to those SB runs, but ignore the part where the defenses weren’t actually that good most of the year and just had a few elite pass rushers that turned it on when it was needed most.

[@dddd-xg7yo]

@@thebryguysgaming True

[@dddd-xg7yo]

@@XanderXel91 That's true. I always say if a defense carries the team they: score points (the only points they scored during those SB runs were the gifted 2 pts when Brady threw out of the endzone in SB 46); gave the O great field position (they had an average field position of their own 30); or create TOs (11 TOs in 8 games or league average).

[@izzythedude]

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[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well! You're the man

[@TeamTimeRiders]

As far as I’m concerned, Eli made the Super Bowl twice against the 🐐, and beat him both times, one of which was in the goat’s best season of all time. There’s a lot of great regular season guys who don’t make the postseason. Eli performed at the highest level when it literally mattered the most.

[@awakenedbyyhuhassembly6015]

That's all well and good but you can't ignore the majority of his career have had mediocre qbr and in multiple seasons had more ints than touch downs. Two seasons don't make a career

[@TeamTimeRiders]

@ a Super Bowl is a defining factor on a hall of fame resume, because it’s the “moments” that matter not the stats. If that’s the case, Bradshaw and Namath should be out of the hall and Lamar Jackson should be in. Yes he’s had some low lows, but he’s also had some high highs. Ask any fan whether they’d take 20 mediocre regular seasons for the two Super Bowl wins and anyone would say yes.

[@DonSmacksPins]

@@awakenedbyyhuhassembly6015 first ballot hofer and u can cope and cry about it

[@zommyj_]

@@TeamTimeRidersdoesn’t make him a hall of famer

[@TBird5790]

Ely had a great career, but why do people say Brady Beat Peyton, or Montana beat Marino, or Eli beat Brady? None of that is true. Manning faced the Patriots defense, not Brady. Same with all the other winning QBs. They beat the losing team's DEFENSE. It's a team win. Manning lifted those around him and Brady lifted those around him.

[@mallybomb923]

2008 giants were his best team, best team in the NFL and were repeating as back to back super bowls until plaxico Burres shot himself in the leg... Fans who watched every snap would agree...

[@c.i.demann3069]

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[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Thanks!

[@MuddVein93]

Definitely gained a new subscriber Bosss Much love from Niagara Falls NY USA!

[@lelandd.295]

As much as I do not like the Raiders, the same could be said for Jim Plunkett, 2 time SB winner. He was the Raiders leader that brought them back after John Madden retired.

[@JonnyAmish]

Great breakdown. Lets be real, the backbone of Eli's hall of fame argument is the 2007 superbowl without it there's not even a discussion. Longevity stats are not gonna get you into the hall of fame. "The HoF isn't just a statistical leaderboard; it's a museum that tells the story of football." is a great point and the first argument I've ever heard for Eli in the HoF that actually makes sense. This quote finally convinced me that Eli does deserve to be in the HoF despite being a life long Eli hater lol.

[@ChaplainSkelton]

Great video! I love the story telling and editing! Wishing you many more subs!

[@kriscarr6986]

Phenomenal video!!! Thank you very much

[@gopackgo3861]

Been waiting 5 months for this one ❤

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

I know lol. Had to end 2024 on a good note

[@gerretoutdoors3710]

Btw, great video, dude. Your production value and close attention to detail, while narrating a story, it will take you far. Love it.

[@stevebowser7248]

Id say the .500 record is MUCH more on management than on him. Lets also remember that playing in NY is always tougher. He was .667 in the playoffs. Thats 9th best all time for QBs that have started 10 playoff games or more. The 8 ahead of him are legendary names, even in Canton. Maybe not a 1st ballot, but he should be in Canton in the next few years for sure.

[@zendoargos4988]

He was 1 and done 4 out of 6 times in the playoffs. He certainly made good in the 2 Super Bowl years, but the 4 games that they lost in the playoffs count too and he was BAD in those games.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Playing in ny is tougher? Because of... journalists? Lolk

[@markwilkins9365]

last name being manning and playing in the media capital is why he will be in the HOF when he does not deserve it

[@gillespieroad42]

Found this channel through your Mayfield and Evans videos, really enjoyed this one too!

[@jordanwhite8567]

Great video. My opinion on these types of debates is that if you have to ask the question “should this player be in the hall of fame?” Then the answer is no. Hall of fame should be reserved for the absolute most prestigious and elite players of all time. I feel the same way Deion Sanders does, it should be far more exclusive than it actually is. A hall of famer doesn’t just win a championship. It’s so much more than that. They should be THE dominant player of their peak. They don’t need to have a long career or win as many championships as Brady. They just need to be the absolute most dominant force in the game when they’re playing it at their position. Terrell Davis, Adrian Peterson, Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, Gronk, etc. Eli Manning had a great career. A career he should be insanely proud of. But it was not a hof career in my view.

[@jpick3113]

I won’t defend Eli but longevity needs to be a factor for the HOF, ray lewis was dominant his whole career but if he won 1 ring and only played his first 6 or 7 seasons he wouldn’t be a HOF’er. Even tho he was arguably the best linebacker in the league for those 7 year. But his longevity of greatness would have put him in canton without needing the second SB. If Big Ben won those two super bowls and then left the league after 6 or 7 years we wouldn’t all consider him a lock for first ballot or even the HOF. I get what your saying and I do agree that canton need to be a bit more prestigious. But if a guy was the best in the league at his position for 4 years that’s just not enough. Only thing would be 4 record setting years and 4 sb that would get them in. Only example I can think of right now is unfortunately Patrick Mahomes. He could lose the first round of the playoffs this year, retire after the season with 8 years under his belt and he is still a first ballot

[@tevanwalker3435]

It's called the hall of fame not hall of elite, Him being a Manning, beating the sports' greatest player twice in the big game, & being a starter 10+ years should be enough. everything you typed should be about 1st ballot HOFers not HOFers in general

[@AtSafeDistance]

I think it really depends on what is wanted to be presented to the visitor. Personally I would much more appreciate a HOF museum that included names which made the game outstanding, rather than those most outstanding in the game. To give example regardless of whether Eli on merit deserves to be in the HOF; the fact he is so surrounded by such rich history and talent for the game as part of a family of NFL greats, that it takes away from the experience to NOT have him mentioned there. Get what I mean? Brian Pic may or may not be in the HOF, IDK, but it seems to me it would be a lesser experience to not see the story about sayers and pic. That's just a quick example off the top of my head. But its the kind of stuff that makes the game more than a game. Who got the most TD passes in a year or career ... seems to lose a little shine when compared to the stories like Brian's song. I know technically you are correct. But that wouldn't make it a better experience for me as a visitor to see ONLY the top in their positions to be noted.

[@K37-h1z]

​@AtSafeDistance the hof IS partially a muesuem. Eli will get in i dont think he's a first ballot guy. I agree with the original poster, he isn't a hall of famer, he just didn't have enough great seasons. But he'll get in

[@Giantsfanlewis]

While you may be correct. As long as guys like Terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman are in due to superbowls, eli will make it

[@GMOORE494]

Man you did an absolutely amazing job on the video. It was very enjoyable to watch.

[@Kevin.Costner.]

if Melo Had 2 Championships for New York, hell if anyone wins MLB world series 2x or anything in New York There’s No Need for a HOF Discussion FREE ELI!!!!

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Facts

[@K37-h1z]

Free eli? I didnt realize he was imprisoned.

[@russiancardboardarmor5976]

Lots of Yankees have multiple rings and not in the hall so calm down he’s mid

[@Racc-Kun_YT]

​@@russiancardboardarmor5976Most, more likely than not all, of those Yankees were on rosters full of future HoFers tbf, its not like they're why the Yankees were good. Eli had the 31st ranked offensive line in the league while only having an average receiving core and was still able to outscore Brady in two superbowls. Dude definitely did enough in his career to make HoF imo.

[@95roadie]

The HOF committee has stated, MULTIPLE TIMES throughout the years, that Super Bowl wins DO NOT MATTER. And for good reason. Because then guys like Eli, that were average at best his whole career, would end up in the Hall of Fame. Thus totally discrediting the entire HOF, its members, and the committee.

[@nomad090]

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[@seanmclaughlin1439]

I think Eli Manning and Jim Plunkett deserve to be in the HOF.

[@TradingPantheonNasirTrades]

nah eli does not plunkett.

[@lttfan9185]

@@TradingPantheonNasirTrades neither of them does. Plunkett is a great comp. Very mid QB with two good SB runs amid an otherwise mediocre career.

[@TradingPantheonNasirTrades]

@@lttfan9185 2 time sb mvp, the other 5 players with that achievement are all in, top 10 in all 3 major categories, greatest postseason of all time 2011, 210 straight starts, 8-4 in the playoffs. Defeated the goat twice in the superbowl and is responsible for 2 of his 3 total losses in the super. Easily makes it.

[@lttfan9185]

@@TradingPantheonNasirTrades The other 5 players all have winning records and led the league in at least one positive QB stat at multiple times in their careers, but even Bradshaw is kind of an eyesore on the HOF and who didn't deserve one of those MVPs and only got in on the back of 4 SB wins by an all time great team. Eli only ever led in interceptions thrown. He was a mediocre QB propped up by good defenses in the postseason runs.

[@TradingPantheonNasirTrades]

@ his defense was ranked 25th in 2011, and he won with the 32 rated o line twice, and led a top ten offense with the worst o line in the league. Put Eli behind a competent line, and he would’ve never led the league in picks. The back end of his career he was better at not throwing picks because the o line was lower- middle of the road

[@mzens1]

This is a very well-done video. Great work!

[@hunterking6033]

IF people want to say Eli isn't 1st ballot, I can accept that. He's clearly a HoF'er. There isn't a good argument against him. He's got elite counting stats and great averages. He was tough and dependable. He won 2 SB MVPs, I'm pretty sure anyone who has pulled that off is considered a HoF lock or is in (I am not looking it up rn). Brett Favre led the league in INTs multiple times and retired the record holder for most carerr INTs. Was Favre better? Yes, I'd say so, but I'd argue Eli played a lot like Favre. He was gutsy, cagey, and he played like a true gunslinger. He never backed down, never quit trying to win games that seemed unwinnable. He let his guys go make plays, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. Eli also was part of a transitionary era. He was part of the last guys to come from the more run dominant, throw for chunks era that was the 90s to mid-00s. INT totals for average or better QBs have done way down over the last 2 decades. There are a lot of HoF QBs with far worse TD to INT ratios. Several with more INTs than TDs. Eli averaged over 4,000 yards per full season. There are guys in the HoF with ZERO 4,000 yard seasons. If you think Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlisberger, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, or Cam Newton are HoF worthy guys, you should think Eli is. If you think Aikman, Kelly, Fouts, Moon, Stabler, Jurgensen, and Namath are worthy inductees, then you should think Eli Belongs.

[@evanwilliams3821]

There are plenty of great arguments against Eli, no 1st or 2nd team all pros, never a top 5 QB (his best year he wasn't as good as rodgers, brady, brees, stafford, or romo), and he only ever led the league in interceptions. ALso the only 2 years where he one playoff games were the SB years. Using counting stats for Eli is an awful argument because his stats only look extraordinary because of the era he played in. Passing wasn't the nature of the game and the only guys who could actually consistently hit 4000 yards were marino, moon and fouts. People like Goff who aren't in the hof convo, have and will continue to put up 4k yards, but they aren't above guys like elway and tarkenton. Of the people you said shouldn't make it in before Eli: Rivers, Romo, Wilson, Ryan, Stafford, and Newton don't deserve it, but all of them besides Newton (who is very overrated), had higher peaks than Eli. Roethlisberger is also fully deserving of the hof, better stats, better peaks, and won it twice Of the people you said are in that aren't as good as Eli: Namath, stabler and Aikman shouldn't be anywhere near the hall, I don't know a lot about jurgensen but considering that he played in 14 game seasons before the passing era, he had great counting stats for his time. I wouldn't really care if he was in or not but comparing between eras is always a little weird. I don't think Kelly is in because he had weak counting stats for his era, and never won it. Moon and fouts are both completely deserving. Moon would have way better stats than Eli, but he wasn't able to come to the league until he was 28 because of racism. Fouts led the league in passing 4 years in a row, and was on track for 5000 in the strike year and everyone agrees he should be the mvp that year. Eli was a good player and I'm forever grateful he beat brady, but he isn't an all time great QB. He'll make the hall because of narratives, the last name, and for having a great personality off the field.

[@hunterking6033]

@ I never said they shouldn't make it in before him. That's putting words in my mouth that I did not say. That's dishonest. Eli was absolutely considered a top 5 QB for a stretch. Maybe you never thought so, but it's revisionist history to say most people didn't consider him a top 5 QB at some point. Wins are a team stat. Playoff runs take more than elite QB play (just ask Marino, Rivers, Stafford...). Rivers never got to the SB. Ken Stabler is in because of his one great playoff run. When Manning entered the league, 4k yard seasons were the territory of the elite. I don't really care about he didn't get All-Pro because the 4 greatest statistical QBs off all-time were his competition Most players in the Hall were never considered the best or even top 3 at their position. You're holding Eli to a higher standard than the bar for the Hall. He was one of the most important players of his era. To deny that is to deny reality. Period.

[@evanwilliams3821]

@@hunterking6033 There's no denying he's important, he helped stop the undefeated season, but he's not an all time great qb. You are correct that when he came in there were only a few qbs hitting 4000 yards a season, but eli never had 4000 yards until 2009, and that year there were 9 other qbs that had more yards than him, so clearly by the time eli was getting 4000 it wasn't only the elite that were hitting 4000. In the years leading up to 2009 there were also not elite guys hitting 4k like Cutler. He also definitley wasn't ever a top 5 quarterback in the league. In 2005, he was 5th in passing and 3rd in tds, but he was 31st in completion percentage, 2nd in picks, 23rd in passer rating, and 9th in yards per game so he probably doesnt end up as high in yards or tds without other guys getting hurt. Peyton, brady, palmer, green, and plummer all had better years, and if mcnabb and bulger never got hurt they were on track for better seasons as well. 2006 brees, peyton, brady, palmer, bulger, and rivers. 2007 there were ten qbs who had better seasons including brady, brees, romo, favre, and peyton. 2008 when brady got hurt and he was fresh off a super bowl he shouldve been primed for an elite season but he had a very disappointing individual campaign as he was 17th in passing. 2009 he hit 4k for the first time but not a better season than peyton, brees, brady, favre, schaub, romo, or roethlisberger. 2010 he was top 5 in passing but not as good as brady, rivers, rodgers, peyton or brees. 2011 was a genuinely great season for eli but he wasn't as good as rodgers, brees, brady, stafford, and romo. 2012 you's expect a lights out season for the guy who won the superbowl but not top ten in passing and not as good as peyton, rodgers, ryan, brady, or brees. 2013 Eli had an awful season throwing 8 more picks than tds, 2014 rodgers, romo, roethlisberger,luck, brady, or peyton. 2015 newton, palmer, brady, wilson, or brees. 2016 ryan, brees, brady, luck, and carr played better. 2017 Brady, wentz, Rivers Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger. 2018 Mahomes, Brees, luck, ryan, and goff. The only year you can argue he was a top 5 qb was 2011, and he didn't get top ten in passing very often.

[@scottshorten9962]

listen i would rather have a QB that average in reg season but elevates his game to won superbowls,ask Dan marino which one he would rather have?

[@evanwilliams3821]

@ he only elevated in the playoffs in 2 seasons. He absolutely deserves credit for those years, especially 2012, but he never one a playoff game outside of the SB years. 2005 he had 0 tds and 3 picks, 2006 he had 160 yards, 2 tds, and a pick. 2008 he had 0 tds and 2 picks, and in 2016 he had a touchdown and an interception. People talk about playoff Eli like he was a god but he only had 2 good playoff campaigns and the only extraordinary playoff campaign he had was 2011. If a few regular season games go differently in 2007 and 2011, people would see playoff Eli as not that much better than playoff Andy Dalton. Eli has a great narrative and I’m grateful he beat Brady those years, but he just isn’t one of the all time great quarterbacks

[@Atrocyties]

Incredible channel. Incredible video. Incredible read. Will be watching your career with great interest! Thank you so much for putting this out there!

[@nobodyaskedbut]

This guy led the NFL in one major passing category & it was INTs three times (all 20+). He had 5 seasons where he started more than half the schedule & finished below .500 (4 of them at double digit losses). His career pass Y/A is just 7.0 & his highest single season passer rating was 93.6 while Roethlisberger's (same rookie year) career average is 93.5. He was a statue in the pocket who could not make plays or even run much at all as he ran for only 7 TDs (only 3 longer than a 1 yd sneak) & a career 2.4 yds PG. He is 10th in career pick sixes (22) which is his highest career all-time passing stat ranking. Jim Plunkett also won 2 super bowls & he finished with the same career .500 W%, same career 7.0 Y/A, could make plays on his own & run very well (8.5 career YPG & 9 TDs longer than 1 yd). Oh, & Plunkett also had an 8-2 post season W-L record to Manning's 8-4. Plunkett will never be voted into the HoF.

[@deeshotcha2250]

You looking at stats WATCH THE GAME LORD LOL

[@jlui21]

-- I don't like Manning but 115-115 regular season average is laughable but..2-0 in Superbowls while beating the GOAT in 7x Superbowl winner Tom Brady TWICE??? He gets the 1st ballot HOF for me (I used to be a 2nd rd HOF but currently in 2024, I give him the nod for 1st).

[@Iceman_Cool]

I would take eli over big Ben straight up. How many HOFers did Ben play with? A unbelievable amount. Dude was surrounded by them every. Single. Year. Big Ben never lifted a team the way eli did, he just helped already very good teams get over the hump As bill belicheck likes to say, stats are for losers

[@jgcalc]

Eli is a HOFer for sure

[@yepdontcarebud]

Cry about it 😺

[@tightwindow6438]

I thought the HOF was for achievements over a period of time. Eli had 2 games in which he was very good and lucky. The rest of his career was just a hair below average. Same with Joe Namath, one great game and the rest of his career a hair below average. Namath didn't disserve to be in HOF and neither does Eli. Tell me where I'm wrong.

[@mastermace7770]

No, your not wrong

[@mr.t5785]

Brady scored 14 and 17.. stoppp. if we are using beating brady as a measurement, then he is not even the best to do it. It was nick foles...he had to face a brady that's torching his defense, brady with his A game, a brady that scored more points in one game than the two superbowls against Eli combined.. Eli couldn't pull that off.

[@TrukkD-CBCO]

What an awesome video. I'd love to see one on Hines Ward.

[@aunch3]

Even though I’m a Niners fan, in the late 00’s/2010s my Madden team was Eli’s NY Giants. I played with them religiously for years. They had some great teams, I always had a soft spot for them.

[@mavssami41]

2011 49ers should have won if the punt returner didn't fumble the ot punt...basically gave the game to Eli

[@aunch3]

Yea that was absolutely brutal. Kyle Williams cost us a SB for sure. Every needs a little luck to win it all, look at Eli’s Hail Mary in the 2007 SB. NY would’ve lost both SBs but luck was on their side

[@BK-xd7gq]

Amazing video

[@bobbysmith565]

I think of what a awesome man he is. You never heard a bad thing concerning Eli. No drama. He would have set the Iron man record, if not for a bad decision from a new head coach. So bad the owner fired the coach and his staff. Eli played hard his players loved him. Ask Micheal Straham. NY Giants earned the last playoff spot with the lowest seed and did the unbelievable and beat the undefeated New England Patriots! HATERS WASNT PLAYERS. THATS WHY THE NFL HOF IS DETERMINED BY HOF MEMBERS AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN THE SPORTS WORLD. Eli Manning will be inducted in to the NFL HOF

[@elimccormick5680]

Love the vids dawg keep it up this is great

[@riverboatron3590]

Eli is a hall famer. He is now 11th all time in passing he was 10th this year before the season started, AROD is now 10th. Most of y’all’s favorite qbs cannot beat TB on their best day, let alone super bowl game against him. I’m a 49ers fan I remember what he did to my team in the NFC championship game.

[@Nifured]

Another great video! Congrats on hitting 20k subscribers, happy to see your channel grow. You do amazing work, and deserve so many more views and subscribers. Keep at it!

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

My guy! Appreciate it 🙏

[@BrysonMichaelRC]

If Eli wasn't shadowed by his brother then he would 100% be in the HOF. Undefeated against the goat in superbowls? Took a rag tag group of a barely wild card team to a superbowl. His clutch play against the niners in the championship game still pisses me off. Dude was a baller. Smart and decisive.

[@timjones7009]

Agreed. He has the best little brother leverage too. He beat his brothers kryptonite twice

[@deeshotcha2250]

They both have two super bowels but I get you

[@javieraguilar5184]

Eli had a better career than Peyton !!!

[@javieraguilar5184]

@@deeshotcha2250Eli won 2 superbowls Peyton won 1 and the Denver defense won the second one for him. Knowledge!!!!

[@deeshotcha2250]

@@javieraguilar5184 yea if you didn’t think Eli didn’t get carry by defense you don’t know ball Peyton stats and wins way over Eli do your homework

[@bearfootball1]

What a great video! Your channel is going to be huge. This is high-quality stuff that rivals NFL Films. This is the first video of yours I've seen, and I had to subscribe.

[@dannywhite7786]

Horrible video lmao

[@notflx]

The David Tyree helmet catch is the greatest catch of all time. The escape from Eli, everything on the line, the way he caught it. Everything.

[@jessiegandhi4340]

and yet the Manningham catch is one that gets Eli in.. that throw was more impressive to me because it doesnt depend on the “luck”.. that was skill

[@yepdontcarebud]

​@jessiegandhi4340 the throw itself to Manningham was obviously better, but the escape Eli made on the Tyree catch.. there's no words honestly. Heroic, legendary, iconic.. no superlative I can think of even does it justice. To make that play the way he did it is literally the stuff of dreams, pure fantasy. If you saw it in a movie you'd say it's unrealistic and exaggerated lol

[@markjackson6134]

@@jessiegandhi4340 It's one of the greatest throws/plays I've ever seen when you consider the entire moment. But I don't have him as a HOFer but I wouldn't "protest" when he's elected.

[@ALC42069]

Great video, also brother you have an insanely great public speaking voice. You kill it (good way) with inflection and engaging sentence structure. Not sure if you put this kind of thought when you record but it shows regardless. Brilliant man. 👍

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

Appreciate it 🙏

[@Potts2700]

He's like that highest Rated QB in Tha clutch!!! 1st 3 quarters his QB Rating is like 60. Get to Tha 4th quarter 80. Final 3 min 90. Final 60 seconds 99.999999😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@caseyblankenship987]

Great video and perspective man

[@pemulis123]

Is this Jxmyhighroller football channel? The voice, editing, and superb quality are the same.

[@AnotherSportsChannel]

🤣 appreciate it!

[@Love2Musgrave]

@@AnotherSportsChannel you do sound a lot like him though

[@kevinthomas623]

First let me say i looove the game of football, and a part from watching it, i looove to talk football, and the way you talk football and discussing Eli's career (and he had a long one) and just the way you highlight his years of playing in a 16min vid...you did a good job sir 👏 and i am subscribing. Just keep up the good job.

[@mikeluka5225]

There’s only 6 men to walk on earth who have two or more superbowl MVPs. Eli is one. He’s also top 10 all time in multiple QB stats. It’s absurd people say he shouldn’t get in. It’s even more absurd people say he’ll get in BECAUSE of his last name. Imo it’s the opposite. People unfairly judge him because he’s a manning. Two time superbowl MVP 4 pro bowls 7th ALL time in yards, completions and TDs If you just saw those stats not knowing the name you’d say of course that guy belongs in

[@Marchen07]

I loathe the Giants but Eli deserves to be in the HOF for his stats and what he's accomplished. His family name should have no relevance as to whether he joins but I wouldn't be surprised considering Hester only got in on his 3rd attempt.

[@kscar363]

Hahaha 4 pro bowls over 16 seasons, suuuper impressive. Also definitely doesn't deserve the Super Bowl MVP for the 2007 season, defense carried his ass. If Asante Samuel makes the easiest int of his life then Eli loses his playoff legacy and is correctly remembered as the mediocre bum that he is.

[@janboblarry]

Mcnabb was Better, as was Romo. They actually had more than 4 good years. Eli.. Hes a good guy but come on.. he was never the best in his Division. Are we putting Doug Williams in now?

[@TheSoundwave92]

​@@janboblarry part of why it's so complicated with putting Eli Manning in the HOF, especially if he gets in first ballot, It lowers the threshold for every other quarterback that will in fact have their name put on the ballot going forward once he gets in. It doesn't matter how you slice it, You put a guy from the modern NFL era who is only have four pro bowls to his name and never has once been an All-Pro in his whole career, you immediately have to start thinking of his fellow contemporaries going forward. Because at that point then we'll start having to consider guys like Jim plunkett or Donovan McNabb for the HOF 😂

[@adarkwind4712]

​@@TheSoundwave92 having Joe Namath in there lowers the threshold.

[@javiercastillo7184]

Great Video!

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

If Eli gets in, then Jim Plunkett gets in.

[@terrypaige4917]

Pllunkett was a backup, maybe the greatest backup but a backup non the less

[@Devsord637]

​@@terrypaige4917plunkett still won 2 sbs, which is what people are saying puts eli in the hof

[@kallel6588]

This was a great video! Great job sir.

[@tomknapp6194]

This guy brings up a very valid reason why Eli should NEVER be in the HoF. He had to compare Eli to a QB that didn't play in the same pass friendly/don't touch the QB league as him. Troy Aikman: 6 straight pro bowls 1 SB MVP that he earned 6 straight top 10 passer ratings Was in the running for league MVP Eli? 4 scattered pro bowls over 16 years (2 were generous) 2 SB MVPs that were handed to him by the defense. He barely outscored 14 and 17 points. 1 top 10 passer rating and that was 7th. What's a league MVP vote? Eli was literally below average, but even 16 years of that will add up more than a if a QB could be an MVP for 12 straight years. There is nothing special about just lasting a long time.

[@dannywhite7786]

Idiotic take. U dont need to have been in the mvp race to make the HOF😂 nfl record for TD-Int ratio in a Super Bowl run. Most completions and yards in a playoff run😂 2 game winning drives in the Super Bowl. When he retired he was top 10 in passing yards and passing TDS. “He threw interceptions” EVERY QB throws picks but use that argument lmao. Idiot

[@SeanNYGNYR]

@@tomknapp6194 you're special.

[@tomknapp6194]

@SeanNYGNYR And yet, you cannot prove anything I said to be inaccurate.

[@joelrice3925]

Awesome vid mane 🎉

[@SportsCapitalNetwork]

I think he makes it to the hall of fame....Do i think he deserves it? NO. - Patriots fan

[@MrMarine25]

Beating Tom Brady, beating him twice in the big game is more than enough for the HOF!🎉

[@CaseyWinehouse]

There were 22 other players and a HC who also did that.

[@tankeater]

2 good seasons isn't enough to be a 1st ballot HOFer. 👍

[@K37-h1z]

Hes a hall of famer for 2 games? 🤦‍♂️

[@deeshotcha2250]

@@CaseyWinehouse those 22 players didn’t face Brady twice Eli did

[@deeshotcha2250]

@@K37-h1z2 super bowel game wins at that put respect on eli

[@alanmanrick5593]

Well said. Great video.

[@Stephenwhite013]

He’s mediocre has always been mediocre. Never been a top 3 player at his position. It’s been proven any QB can win a Super Bowl it’s literally a team award. The defense won those Super bowls. Nick foles out dueled Brady not Eli manning. Real fans know he’s not a HOFer but he’ll get in cus the media is consistent and plays favorites

[@miindofmurdee421]

Eli belongs there, he's earned it periodt. You CAN'T spell ELIte without 'ELI'.... I the 2 biggest moments he made every play he HAD to make point blank period lil fella.... Those 2 Superbowls punched his first ballot ticket, pops and brother had nothing to do with it.

[@TheQuestionsssssssss]

0:33 bro said if we take away everything that makes you a hall of famer……are you still a HOF?

[@a.rtsu15]

lol

[@tomdarragh8692]

That’s what all Eli haters say

[@TheQuestionsssssssss]

@@tomdarragh8692 right like what type shit is that 😂

[@WalkerKinsler]

I believe he meant just taking away the Manning name and it’s family legacy

[@thefpvlife7785]

You're a natural with a well put together narrative of Eli. Thank you for this mind opening video. In the end Eli should be 1st ballet because he slayed the all mighty NFL king twice on the biggest stage in football.

[@dach829]

Funny cause Marino had two years with over 20 int but one talks bout those years

[@trentsammons7748]

Different era. Defensive backs were allowed to get away with a lot more.

[@dach829]

@trentsammons7748 what's that have to do with the price of tea in china?

[@Devsord637]

Marino carried way shittier offenses than eli. Dumb comparison

[@conquerordie230]

Eli’s greatest quality is that he never took himself too seriously. He lived and enjoyed the moment. He could throw a horrible pass or get sacked for 10 yards, then on the next play be able to put all of that behind him and throw a monster touchdown pass.

[@kamren23]

His 2 mvp in the super bowl is a joke , the real MVPs of those 2 games was Justin Tuck , and Jaso Pierre Paul , but God forbid we give a defensive player the MVP , those 2 players gave Tom Brady fits those 2 games what 217 yds passing give me a brake , plus an amazing catch helped this guy , my question why isn't daddy in the HOF ? I thought the QB single hardly wins the game ? Just ask the media which now gives QBs wins are you serious he was good not great

[@justinthomas85]

What about NE defense? They weren't exactly bad, they were just overshadowed by Bradys season.

[@kamren23]

Very true on the pats defense however being from canton ohio born and raised there are a lot of players that are in that really shouldn't be , its the best of the best just saying and it's not like that unfortunately, its a popularity contest and he is a Manning which is NFL royalty . I mean if you put him in you have to put in Jim Plunket he won 2 rings again very good not great but he wasn't a Manning

[@akgardner5]

Dope style of videos man.

[@anthonyharrell4547]

How can you NEVER be an all pro your ENTIRE career and still be in the HOF?

[@markjackson6134]

Wow, that's a really good question.

[@wilkic2]

Cause all pro is regular season and Eli played his best games in those awesome playoff runs

[@adrixnmtz]

I can name so many all pro players that dont have 2 super bowl mvps

[@anthonyharrell4547]

@adrixnmtz can you name many hall of famers who were NEVER a first, second, or third team all pro their entire career that is in the hall of fame? Winning 2 super bowls isn't the only metric used. For example Chris Carter NEVER won a super bowl, but he's in the hall of fame. Why do you think that is?

[@dannywhite7786]

He’s easily a hall of famer lmao

[@samo8211]

Very well done friend!

[@joeokeefe2771]

You make some great point man!! I think Eli is a first ballot, superbowls aren’t won with “luck” or your family name if that was true then he would have more than 2, this dude wasn’t the greatest but when he needed to be he was TWICE!! HOF first ballot in my eyes

[@ChewsCarefully]

That's a nice, shallow rhetorical statement that dismisses all the work that Steve Spagnuolo did & continues to do in the NFL. So I'm not arguing about Eli: I'm arguing for the play-callers &/or the players sabotaged by bad ones. Isn't it funny that in a year that Flores' treatment of Tua came to light, perceived busts like Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith & Sam Darnold are succeeding, a QB like Justin Fields whose play-callers have all been fired or demoted & who everyone but his current team can see is better than their current QB is still assumed to be a bust? Even Josh Allen was seen as being hampered by Ken Dorsey. But people still don't learn. Tom Coughlin cooked up a clock-eating offensive scheme, Spags focused on just the pass or the run game knowing the Patriots needed both to succeed. Anyone can shout about what already happened. _True_ vision comes from seeing what *can happen* _BEFORE_ it does. Like Coughlin & Spags.

[@hustlecrowe9440]

But many Super Bowls are won, or lost, by "luck"... its one game. Look how many New England won just because the other team fucked up.

[@tr5947]

@@ChewsCarefully I really appreciate this comment because the great coordinators like Spagnuolo never get the HOF accolades they truly deserve. Lots of people wonder what keeps Mike Shanahan out of the Hall. I think part of it is there are voters who feel honoring Shanahan without honoring Alex Gibbs is just plain wrong. Gibbs and Spags should be in the Hall.

[@ChewsCarefully]

@@tr5947 Well, who votes on that? Because I've heard a lot of former players *try* & speak about what made any coach great & they all fail at it. I'm gonna call it the Dan Campbell effect because what in his ranting about body parts equals winning games? So who can even *judge if* any coach is worthy? Not the fans, not owners, & coaches themselves are their own group of engineers with secrets who don't want anyone else to get ahold of them. So I've just l;earned that it's one of those things we're never gonna fully grasp & to trust my own judgment. I mean I'm a huge McVay fan, but also know why His Way didn't work with Goff. I'm one of those rare people who isn't looking to idealize anyone as much as enjoy what they do well. *One* of the best tributes to Mike Shanahan is that his tree hasn't produced a bad coach yet. But *I'm* someone who teaches others better than I do things myself. So what's _that_ worth & to who? In the end, I appreciate what I appreciate, you know? & where I _can_ repair what's unfair I try to. The best example I have right now in my life is (look up) Maddie de Garay (because whenever I try to link something about her, even YT's own videos, my comments disappear). If some other nation was responsible we'd know exactly what to do about it. The psychology of people excusing doing nothing is what I'm trying to tackle. But I can't get any support. What informs the excuse-making? The fear behind it. How to get around that fear? Not something I can do one on one. It would take overcoming The Bystander Effect, getting merely One Other Person to join the battle. Which is why I'll mention it wherever it even seems inappropriate. Walking away from that is obviously wrong. Yet everyone else does it.

[@kylelaforest9919]

If Eli is a hall of famer than put Edelman in too.

[@jumar2080]

What’s forgotten part of the backside of Eli’s career is the Giants Failure to put a good defense on the field, and from 2012-2015 it was historically bad defense, no offense line the Giants waisted Eli’s prime years. Yes some of it is on Eli, but looking at the Giants since, we can see that most of it is on the Giants organization. As a die hard Giants fan, I’m embarrassed to say that a cornerstone franchise is now a laughing stock.

[@Iamhungey]

Even 2011 as well. Without Eli, that season would have been worse than 2003.

[@Harry-Murphy]

Eli is a hall of famer for sure eagles fan and the only time I was scared to face a giants offense was when Eli was there

[@eeNORMous1]

The question is not if he makes it to the hall of fame it is if he is a FIRST BALLOT Hall of Famer and I say no!!

[@Harry-Murphy]

@eeNORMous1 I agree

[@Thunderbolt210]

No one was ever scared to see manning stop it lmao

[@thecrazynodak]

That's hilarious, nobody was ever afraid to face a team led by Eli Manning

[@vmpage01]

Well done 🔥

[@calebrivera8550]

So many ungrateful giants fans, as a Vikings fan, if a QB got me 2 Super Bowls they would be a legend

[@lottasawce9349]

Giants fans don’t think Eli is a “legend?” You’re talking to trolls

[@Iamhungey]

@@lottasawce9349 There are those who still got stuck in 2004 and never gotten over what went down in draft day. These people are the ones who needs to grow the fuck up.

[@tuckerconley3462]

You know a Hall a Famer when you see it, if there is much debate about a guy with Eli he's probaly not one of the best of the best.

[@QFTQFTQFT]

Great video. You nailed the argument and explained it perfectly why he'll get in.

[@Dude-etiquette]

He doesn’t deserve to be in the HoF. He wasn’t even considered one of the best in his era let alone of all time

[@mavssami41]

Yes yes yes!!!! U have ro he a top 5-8 player at the position for some time to be a hall of famer. I would say matt ryan had a better career bc he was a top 5 qb multiple times

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

If you erase Eli Manning from NFL history then you wipeout 2 years of SuperBowl history, including 2 of Brady's failures... maybe that's the narrative of some people, but it's not right.

[@johnnyturbo655]

Subscribed !

[@johnharris6655]

Jim Plunkett has 2 rings, both won as a backup. He won his 2nd destroying the defending Super Bowl Champions. Plunkett Played for very bad teams the first half of his career. He has 50% winning record like Eli. Plunkett played when Running was still more important than passing. If Eli is in then so Should Plunkett.

[@rentstoohigh1587]

Did he beat the goat?

[@johnharris6655]

@@rentstoohigh1587 He beat Theisman, who was current Super Bowl Champion and Quarterback of the most explosive offensive in the NFL.

[@pierrepercy4947]

Plunkett won 45 less games

[@johnharris6655]

@@pierrepercy4947 Plunkett spend the first 8 years on bad teams.

[@pierrepercy4947]

@@johnharris6655 have you seen the Giants after 2011. They might have had only 2 winning seasons between 2012 and 2019

[@jml420]

Speaking as a life long Giants fan, he absolutely 100% does not belong in the Hall of fame!

[@dannywhite7786]

“Speaking as a life long Giants fan” do you know who Plaxico is? Remember when he SHOT HIMSELF when the Giants were 10-0 coming off a Super Bowl win?

[@heavymetaldude1000]

As a Patriots fan, I loved this video up until about 6:30 I know what's coming, and I just can't do it to myself again lmao Eli deserves HOF status. Maybe not 1st ballot, but he's gotta be in the hall. No question as far as I'm concerned

[@jcjc8889]

The Harsh Truth, 366 TD’s 2 SB’s 2 SB MVP’s. 1st ballot HOF

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

He is not a 1st ballot HOF. A hall of famer for sure, but most definitely 2nd ballot

[@jburton413]

@@Cyrus-rodn45you’re wrong. Not even a debate…. He is a first ballot HOFer and this is coming from a lifelong Patriots fan (39 years) … I would love nothing more than to agree with you but then I’d be lying to myself and others…..

[@mantraxdoes3274]

@@Cyrus-rodn45who else has beaten Tom Brady TWICE in the superbowl? Definitely 1st ballot Hof.

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

@@jburton413 his stats do not justify that.

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

@mantraxdoes3274 that is not reason enough for a 1st ballot induction

[@sonochamp]

Very well done! As a lifelong Giants fan, I've had a mixed view of Eli. But, this is a great way to view his NFL (and eventually HOF) career. I've said it a million times during his run when it came to the Mannings: "In the regular season, I'd rather have Peyton. In the playoffs, I'd definitely prefer Eli." Dude was always a beast in the post-season.

[@L.R.KNIGHT]

I forgot the giants mortgaged their immediate future for eli

[@NTATchannelNickTaylor]

The answer is yes, there's QB's that's held in high regard that haven't one 1 SB let alone 2 AND 2 SB MVP's. What are we doing here?

[@furiogiunta7886]

As a Giants fan, I can say Eli Manning is a borderline hall of famer at best. He had some great years and had good longevity, but he also had so awful seasons. In his defense, the Giants ran a play action deep passing offense, not the short controlled passing offense the entire league runs nowadays, so he did throw a lot of interceptions as a result. I feel he should get a spot in the hall of fame, but definitely not first ballot. PS ... he was the only QB to take down the Pats in the Super Bowl ... TWICE

[@Mircheeks]

This was an awesome breakdown. As a totally bias die hard Giants fan who wants him to get on first ballot, I won’t be shocked or pissed if he doesn’t. He’ll get in one day though, that I’m sure of.

[@thisguy8106]

The defensive line for those 2 Giants teams need to get in then. If he's a 1st Ballot HOF player, then it's a sham.

[@dannywhite7786]

Idiot😂

[@JCR12_]

The gormless look at 5:03, I love that man.