The Hel Storm Swarm

[@GloriousLastStand]

If AI had an artillery doomswarm, they'd probably drop the pieces and charge the crews into melee

[@Grey_Knight1945]

It happened to me in WH2 the ai sent an army of just hell storm rocket artillery.

[@Meyna86]

​@@Grey_Knight1945let me guess. College of Pyrotechnics?

[@trixus4768]

AI title: "Glorious Hellstorm charge"😂😂😂

[@Grey_Knight1945]

@@Meyna86 yup 👍

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

A seriously underrated strategy. AI is onto something

[@quint3ssent1a]

> artillery-based doomswarm > Map is flat as a pan > Target-rich environment (swarm of greenskins) Ah yes, it's al coming together.

[@TheUltrahypnotoad]

"If we don't change history, we'll certainly change the geography."

[@IMWithJay]

welcome to estalia gentlemen

[@gabrielmontenegro9476]

I will not lie, the chances of the enemy's survival are small.

[@Shimitoo]

Some may even turn against your friends as living corpses

[@emperors_talon]

but you have my word

[@stevecarter7944]

That I will use my arcane gifts

[@Aredel]

“Look! Greenskins, that way!” “Understood! Removing that way!”

[@Shane2020xxx]

“See those greenskins?” “Yes, sir!” “I don’t want to”

[@icaindianen]

Need Queek Headtaker T-posing in the middle of the barrage for that IE trailer shot.

[@iraqiwalker1436]

Elspeth: Our arrows will spawn suns! Karl Franz: Don't you mean 'blot out the sun'? Elspeth: Did I stutter?

[@inductivegrunt94]

4:08 The sheer volume of rockets in each volley is so beautiful. This really is a Hellstorm like in the name for the Rocket Batteries.

[@ger5956]

General: Do you see those green skins over there? Rocket battery’s: Yes sir, we do. General: I don’t want to see them there. Rocket battery’s: Yes sir.

[@thatsquidwardfeel5567]

total war - Verdunhammer

[@SuspiciousEntityYT]

When the Waaagh finds itself on the Eastern Front

[@BoomDowg]

Fun fact, you can actually have 8 amethyst units in other armies as well. All you need to do it recruit them in Elspeth army and then kick Elspeth out for a generic lord. Bam, even more amethyst helstorm rocket batteries

[@acheron16]

Yoooo

[@WolfishJew986]

Oh dammit, I just started a Karl Franz campaign.

[@KillTheMF1]

or you can just use a mod that removes the limit

[@WolfishJew986]

@@KillTheMF1 meh, I don’t mind having a limit on Amethyst units. Theyre so strong it makes sense to limit how many you can have in an army.

[@yianmartinez7799]

“Our rockets shall blot out the sun!” - Elspeth. “Den our boys shall WAAAGH in the shade!” - Wurzag probably 😂😂😂

[@diazinth]

I think Elspeth took quite a few rockets to to her back. You can occasionally see some blowing up on her. And if you position your lines just below the ridge, they'll have cover from those behind them. :)

[@ilari90]

Yeah, other line in front of that sand dune he put them first. Might have waited a bit for them to group and start the volley at the same time.

[@unknowguy9642]

Yeah she definitely have taken a couple of *BACKSHOT* alright

[@diazinth]

@@unknowguy9642 watch your words around my girl. ^,^

[@simonsoupshark8009]

thus is the weakness of mounted lords in ranged doom stacks

[@alloran0987]

Elspeth: *eats several friendly barrages of rockets* LTW: "Curse Wurzagh and his spells!" 😂

[@bouziddahmane5065]

Best doomsworm video yet

[@Omertahun]

well visually maybe.but this went as expected, a real doomswarm video shows a bunch of low tier unit ripping the crap out of everything. Legend has ton of those

[@williamholland6059]

just showcased how poor the ai is nothing more

[@Eliwood29]

Thats a lot of rocket batteries

[@maxpower3990]

I think you mean that’s not enough rocket batteries.

[@Turnoutburndown]

"There's no way they'll be able to do 40k" 🤣

[@CowCommando]

Favorite moment from the video.

[@MountainEucalyptus]

My problem with 40k total war isn't the technology level, it is the scale. Either they limit it to one planet (Cadia? Vigilus?) which limits the factions and characters that they can include, or they do it on a galactic scale, but at that point: is it one battle on a tiny square battlefield to conquer a whole planet, like a city in TW:W? Do the fleets in space land to let out their troops for a similar square battlefield, same as Warhammer's ocean battles, or do they try to Battlefield Gothic the space battles? at that point your units are only used on planet battles. Maybe each planet is a region? How do you represent that on a map like TW:W does?

[@cryptekcathekh8798]

@@MountainEucalyptus I'm pretty sure almost every 40K game has been just one planet. DoW I is one planet (with a few regions on another planet in the same system, displayed on the same map iirc), Gladius: Relics of War, the only 40K 4X game, is set on one planet. Battlesector, the newest 40K turn-based tactics game, is set on one planet. Basically, if there is a campaign screen where you move armies around, I'm pretty sure it's been limited to one planet or at most one system (DoW II and III have campaigns across more than one planet, but it's just a series of battles with no campaign mechanics). The only exception of BfGA, but they are space-exclusive games. 40K in general has very few problems shoehorning a bunch of factions onto the same planet. While the more famous worlds (e.g., your examples, Terra, Armageddon) tend to be focused on two or three factions at most, 40k games tend to just create a scenario where multiple factions happen to be interested in the same planet. It's not too difficult or lore-breaking either, since the lore is at least partially written to justify multi-way wars in a small area. For example, Imperium is pretty much everywhere already, so any imperial faction being present in any theatre is hardly a stretch. Necron tombworlds can literally be any world (there is even precedent for Aeldari maiden worlds being tomb worlds). Any planet could have a webway gate, so that's Aeldari accounted for. Chaos cults (and by extension, Chaos demons) often slip through the cracks on Imperial worlds. Feral orks are also pretty much everywhere, and Ork Waaghs are generally pretty indiscriminate, as are hive fleets and genestealer cults. The only real difficulty is T'au, but they do have a presence on some Imperial border-worlds. It's not too difficult to imagine a Imperial border-world somewhere around the Damocles gulf with underhive chaos and genestealer cults, with a small T'au presence, that's also a Necron tombworld, is being raided by Drukhari and Corsairs through a webway gate (leaving open the possibility for craftworld reinforcements once 'crons/Chaos make their presence known), and is the next target for an imminently-arriving hive fleet.

[@CowCommando]

@@cryptekcathekh8798 Soulstorm has a multi-planet campaign map.

[@CowCommando]

@@MountainEucalyptus Make clusters of regions that represent planet surfaces, moons, asteroids, etc. Say they are close enough that traveling between them is so simple that you don't need to worry about it and just let the armies move like it was all one landmass. Make those places close enough to other places that you can travel between them via space ports or trade lanes or some such. These travel points serve the same purpose as mountain passes, river crossings, or other choke points on the current maps. Have big empty stretches of void that you need dedicated long range voidships to traverse and that's your oceans. Now, how you choose to display all this, especially 3d planets on a 2d map will take some doing to make it intuitive, but otherwise it's actually not that different to the current maps (I say as someone who's never played anything beyond Medieval 2).

[@minsha4382]

Legend old PC: "NO MORE I BEG YOU" Meanwhile his new PC going : BRrrrrrrrrrr

[@purdueswash]

I love the doomswarm series. They're actually relevant to something I might drunkenly build at 3AM.

[@jtojagicc]

[Katyusha playing loudly]

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

Soviet song pumping intensely

[@Urkuf]

Doom swarms are a real good series! Enjoying the laughs! I would like to see both funny one, like this, and unlikely viable ones. Cheers, Legend!

[@DiscoveringOne]

It's just not the same without Gelt Screaming "I AM SUPREME !!!" Entire battle...

[@repeat44mag34]

So glad you are showing some close up damage. Love the videos and the knowledge. But now this takes it to the next level. Good shit dude

[@FestiveFrostbite]

There was enough rockets in the air that you need to calculate them into the weather

[@meyr1992]

As for this morning’s forecast, you should expect a sunny warm day with rocket rain, dont forget your umbrellas!!

[@andrewlynch1754]

Freakin' Hellstorm Rocket Batteries with freakin' purple suns attached to their freakin' warheads...

[@coolsolder]

The warhammer ai is even more cooked then in previews titles. They just stood there the entire time lol

[@omletinaomletina9430]

Frequently, AI is mobbin the most dangerous for its opinion units nearby, if it supposedly do something against 'em: there were more units than 3 or 2 mounted lords, so it was dumb circling and waiting for upcoming second armie.

[@b.rogers8452]

I wonder if the AI trying to dodge artillery caused them to get stuck because there was nowhere safe to dodge to lol

[@nekromantyx5398]

this new PC is gas, even doing cinematics shots, not a single frame drop, amazing

[@rockgamiasedes677]

I first read this new pc is ass

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Boris Todbringer gonna have an aneurism seeing this.

[@TheRxNick]

Love the fun legend is having with the cinematic battles

[@OrbitingHog]

These doomswarms are so fun! Thank you to the folks submitting doomswarms.

[@brandoninacan2475]

This increase in production quality is S tier. What a legend.

[@vexiox2234]

Legend is putting that new pc to WORK

[@aquelegajodosjogos91]

Trying to use the new PC to its max, i see!

[@senshibat8920]

Zooming in we saw many stealth stalk units caught in the beautiful AoE of the Rockets. Franz and Elz spotting far forward worked well here. a checkerboard would be hard due too the arch of fire on Missiles they cant suppress for PB in a prepared defense we would have range cards and stakes set out ion front of our lines. Here a Skaven Eshin foe could ambush so i would do a Trechcraven and have a small scout force retreat to have the rockets waiting.. and yeoman horse sacrifice to stem and blob foes.

[@protege1717]

Cant wait for the Sisters of Averlorn swarm.

[@realmoftheouroboros8313]

what if it was two allies in multiplayer? that would get al armieas right?

[@hart435]

Doom swarms are cool. Mostly I just like listening to you because I learn so much.

[@rpl1318]

Legend, would you be open to share these save files? I'd really love to try some of these armies, but going through the hours and hours to get them for a battle seems like overkill.

[@iraqiwalker1436]

I'd recommend mods, and cheats. Allows you to skip the entire grind if you just want to run armies like that

[@nightweaver6807]

You can just make a custom battle though?

[@rpl1318]

@@nightweaver6807does that work with larger armies? Haven’t tried those yet

[@rpl1318]

@@iraqiwalker1436 I admit I had little luck with the few mods I've tried over the years and just given up.

[@iraqiwalker1436]

@@nightweaver6807 Some folks might want more than just 1 battle with them. Maybe they want to use them in a campaign. Hence my recommendation.

[@reach3k]

Creative assembly needs to add in drop in "archon play" where a friend can join your single player game as a co-op player where you both control your side/units. It would make disaster battles so much fun. And doomstacks. As a bonus on the campaign map you could have one person do the item overload paperwork that builds up end game.

[@srinathvs2647]

Glad to see legend truly enjoying his new pc to its fullest potential

[@Tapiola666]

By Sigmar this is glorious. This is peak WH3. Really doesn't get any better.

[@devilsmessanger]

Elsbeth was catching a lot of rockets in back of her head .

[@johnmcmanus2447]

"Our rockets will blot out the sun. So the Greenskins can die in the shade."

[@ebonargamer1829]

Cool battle, but completely agree that this one was VERY situational. Really want to see a Ritual of Primeval swarm now, just a bunch of really angry Dinos.

[@m4a1grant]

That was really satisfying 😅 nice swarm

[@devonmcmanus7744]

“Elspeth is taking a lot of damage, Wurrzag must be casting a lot of spells” as she is constantly getting hit by rockets the whole battle on the side of the screen 😂😂

[@JJS563]

Ah yes, The Imperium, Beautiful

[@dwillis24]

I love the new computer; it is amazing!

[@tehpronoob7380]

[Katyusha starts playing in the background]

[@thornikeseyferth3549]

11:20 I love how legend turned into a professional cameraman 😂😂

[@TheMrYadrian]

Doomstack armies with my favourite unit? I like it.

[@Vennnaya]

In fairness to your 40k comment - Most artillery in 40k is vehicle mounted, and fire on the move, for some units. Imagine kiting a whole ork army with space marine whirlwinds. Also a full battery of Sisters of battle exorcists would be bloody glorious.

[@magnusHultquist]

Love the doomswarm videos !

[@tancrede3086]

The animations are so realistic, you'd think you were in Vougledar.

[@cerboris521]

That first shot of the rockets coming towards the camera was fucking awesome.

[@kevinyu1224]

Hel storm concert, beautiful.

[@vasiliosmitropoulos5590]

These are entertaining to watch, i might do armies like these once in a while for kicks.

[@cygnusx-1256]

ah, I love the smell of black powder in the morning

[@the_junk_shop]

Ah yes, the age-old technique of "fuck that grid square in particular".

[@denizozsakarya3378]

Finally we learn why Nekehera became desert...

[@Dracowinges]

Tkaychovski's overture blaring. Tkaychovski no! Tkaychovski yes, Tkaychovski always YES!

[@TheJakeSweede]

I would love to see a mortar doom swarm

[@vzrox8407]

legend is enjoying his new pc :D

[@adriankoch964]

Elspeth needs a pair of shades.

[@Tiberium10332]

That's what I wanted to see when I've first heard the Hel Storm rockets would get more projectiles in Elspeth von Drakens faction.

[@Welkor]

Faith, Steel, and GUNPOWDER!!!

[@TheMissing8]

Hellstorms are probably my favorite unit in this game.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Orc single entities - hha, your pity rockets cant do sh1t to me! Elspeth: QUANTITY OVER QUALITY, EAT BILLION ROCKETS!!1

[@mercerna]

zombie or peasant swarm please! Oh, wait.... he did both already. We might be running out of shitty units to use in doomswarms :D

[@martinlysy]

That desert should be totally glassed.

[@JBRADdesigns]

Me: Mom, I want to play Imperial Guard in TW:W40k. Mom: We have TW:W40k at home TW:W40k at home:

[@Lockerus]

Still more historically accurate than the Napoleon movie.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Did not bombard the pyramids, +A

[@Ba11leFieldAce]

Use 40 plague priests to build the ultimate summons swarm army.

[@georgelazenby3607]

lolz. Get organised. Bring the Hellstorm, baby.

[@alfredomartinez1082]

watching a billion skavenslaves or peasants charging in is fun for moment, but can drag on for a long time. swarms like this with over the top visuals and relatively quick resolutions are great

[@SlothSkeleton]

Really testing the limits of that new PC

[@KeeRovmusic]

Beautiful. Just Beautiful!

[@PeterButchens]

The bobatea of death on the ground 😂 PS: Maybe the 40k doomswwarm could work if you use 2 Hellblaster Volleygun stacks, and 2 steamtank volleygun stacks for the AI. That's some dakka.

[@chookee1080]

Ah yes everyone knows that Sigmar fights on the side with the most artillery

[@jackpennington5694]

Nothing as good as A staunch line of hellstorm rocket batteries

[@joshualafaber1686]

Thanks for the videos

[@anathardayaldar]

ai to make ranged units stay back and just shoot seems like it should be simple to program. But I do notice in rome, shogun and medieval, if I give a second army to ai control, they send all units to charge at full speed into melee from the beginning. So their cav reaches the enemy first and gets routed. The light troops then arrive and also get routed. Ranged units try to melee and get wipe out. Finally the heavy troops arrive completely exhausted and rout too.

[@ZincMaster]

Overkill is under-rated

[@benjaminmore5728]

Dang, did they touch your boats? went straight to scorch earth tactics lol

[@МихаилНалбантов-ь8т]

Hm is that Napoleon against mamluks in Egypt campaign ?

[@katieheys3007]

My first Empire campaign was just hellstorm. Lost to Wood Elves and their monsterous cavalry.

[@Matt-sk6hi]

Whenever I see the ai build a stack with like 4 melee and 15 ranged units. The khornate Unga bunga brain gets immense amount of endorphins as my flesh hounds tear them to pieces in seconds, and my skullcrushers rout them immediately.

[@andregon4366]

Should have been half hellblasters half hellstorms. Hell swarm.

[@Phil_K3n_Sebben]

Could always do it in a co-op campaign, gifting two armies to your Ally.

[@gobs379]

I haven't played much coop WH3, but I know that the other players can command units in your battles. Would it allow you to assign Friendly AI armies to another human player that way, or only your direct control units?

[@malcolmpettiford517]

I dunno much about multi player campaign, but could you have a second player control the other armies?

[@fritzorino]

Would it have worked with all 4 armies if it was a multiplayer campaign and the other 2 armies were controlled by a different player?

[@erragorn3]

I like the additiom of editing (in load screen) because sometimes it felt like Legend was just talking random shit during this time casue after intro there usually is not much info to cover in loading screen

[@MachaeStriker]

This is why ikit claw's workshop needs to add plague claw catapults and warp lightning cannons.

[@Carpatheon.]

I can't wait for Imperial Guard Artillery Spam, in 40k Total War... it will be very similar to this.

[@joaquimchale1384]

Any chance you could try with the four armies but just bringing in the Amethyst units?

[@constantin1100]

Legend of overkill :)

[@alfredomartinez1082]

The hellswarm rocket battery is the most hilariously unnecessary thing I've seen in this game

[@Shane2020xxx]

Cathay’s sky junk also flies!

[@SoulOfGmod]

Plague claw catapults would probably work well, they do fairly decent damage to SEs