The Heretic Who Made Christianity’s First Bible

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Check out Dr. Bart Ehrman's course "The Unknown Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" here: gmskeptic--ehrman.thrivecart.com/unknown-gospels/

[@micahhenley589]

It is true that there have been lots of heretics both in the past and present. But please remember this: God existed before any human or heretic existed and God will continue to exist even when everything else fades away. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away." Luke 21:33 "The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8 "Your word, LORD, is eternal. It stands firm in the heavens." Psalm 119:89

[@Lmaoh5150]

@@micahhenley589 Why does anyone need to believe that?

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@micahhenley589 - You are assuming that this magical sky being exists. Until you've demonstrated it to be true these quotes are not compelling in any way.

[@micahhenley589]

@@wickedcabinboy And yet those trust the Christ will live forever: Jesus said "Whoever lives by believing in Me *will never die."* John 11:26

[@johnadamik1617]

@@micahhenley589 That god lived before humans does not mean that we humans understand this being. The bible was written on some people's understanding of god, but it isn't the only understanding nor even, perhaps, the mostly correct way to understand god.

[@ATJ253]

Your wife coming in at 8:20 to make sure you were okay was so wholesome and hilarious

[@georgesteele9718]

Or was it his mom? Either way, it's late so go to bed.

[@OperationPhantom]

I'm OK honey; just sitting on the floor doing voices! 😂 It was cute though.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@ULTRAVCATASTROPHE]

I loved this hahaha

[@07silvali]

@@ULTRAVCATASTROPHE What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@TheAoide82]

I find biblical studies so much more interesting when we learn the history of the whole mess. As a person who grew up in the church, and the daughter of a pastor, I have always had sometimes frustrating secular interest in theology and biblical studies. It made me annoying at Bible study! But, I always appreciate how respectful this channel is of religion. A lot of "skeptics" tend to be jerks about their atheism. I'm... vaguely... a person of faith, and I appreciate being able to come to your channel and learn. Thanks.

[@BrandanLee]

The story of the mess, is always the true story. :p ANYTIME the story is simple and clear, it's almost always bullshit. Citation: Everything humans have ever been involved in. Can't even go to the grocery store without it becoming a whole thing, let alone write a world spanning religion.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples . BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY. JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR.. "Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation." If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church. The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles. Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature. All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt. The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes. Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated. John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics. We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification. Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town. Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea.. Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed. Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament. The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit. Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ? The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas. Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836. In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.” 1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu . Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114). AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ? Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them. Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews. For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas.

[@bleakautomaton4808]

Jewish studies have been interesting in a similar way to me, how early history was brought across through a religious lens (I don't mean Old Testament I mean what old scriptures have been found and how Aramaic/old Hebrew has been translated and how some could be inaccurate; mixed in with what has been found in conjunction with archaeological studies of the areas many oral traditions later shaping the Tenach add intriguing info to the whole thing).

[@07silvali]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us The MOST IMPORTANT question of our lifes is: Where do we go, after death? Well, there are only two ways: HEAVEN OR HELL!!! This is the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST: Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again on the third day. He shed His blood on the cross for you. Your part is to Repent of your sins and Trust in Him. BUT, you MUST trust in the JESUS of the BIBLE!! You must REPENT of your IDOLATRY and must BELIEVE THE TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS!!! Because, IF you don`t, you will be cast in the LAKE OF FIRE, for ALL ETERNITY!!! Repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today and God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! THIS IS THE TRUTH!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. Accept it today!!! Tomorrow maybe too late!! "Jesus answered him, I am THE WAY, and THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE; no one comes to the Father EXCEPT through ME." (John 14:6)

[@hyperturttle7574]

So, basically, the only reason we know of Marcions Bible is because it made his critics so mad that they quoted it word for word? Absolutely hilarious Edit: so there's been a rather... interesting conversation that happened in the replies while I was gone. Also got visited by a bot, which is cool I guess. Read further at your own discretion lol

[@karldehaut]

Same thing happened to Celsus (The true word)

[@angelbrother1238]

@@karldehaut the problem Karl is that you guys completely ignored ite the apostolic fathers , some of whome wrote before marcine. Lord have mercy , when any group denies history and reason they abandon rationality and common sense for their emotional bias . Genetically modified moron reminds me of the KZbin atheists that helped me leave atheism . I’m just happy to know that I’m the only theist on these threads and not one atheist will challenge any of my posts ;) This is what os called intellectually secure ;) Big hug for my little atheist students ;)

[@gwho]

barbara strizand effect at its finest

[@chrishey9879]

This stuff have been Debunked sooo many times are you Serious this is insane you will have a Lot to answer for when JESUS Returns.

[@canislupus9208]

@@chrishey9879 Lmao I think arguments about which crackpot-compendium of bastardized nonsense mythos shrouded in a thin veil of "love thy neighbor" came first would be the least of his concerns considering the current state of the world, good luck with the proselytizing tho!!

[@SupahTrunks7]

I totally agree with your point at the end that the human-ness of these texts and their origin is what makes them interesting. I love these videos because I genuinely enjoy learning about the early Christian church and how chaotic and wild things were before there was an established orthodoxy or canon list. I’m reminded of how much I enjoyed learning about what my art history teacher termed “the early Christian wolf-whale” which is a real trend in early Christian depictions of Jonah bc as the story travelled it reached groups with no real idea what a “whale” was but with a desire to represent their religious stories in art so they just kinda used context clues to go “okay it lives in the water like a fish but it also ate someone and I know wolves eat people so maybe it was some sort of wolf fish” so a lot of early representations of the Jonah story in Christian tombs give it a wolf’s head and some even give it front paws in a sort of hippocampus/Capricorn/mermaid-esque hybrid. It fascinated me to realize that even the boring bible stories I learned as a child are pieces of ancient culture and literature with their own, individual, /human/ histories.

[@jboyd0104]

I've never learned so much about the Bible since leaving evangelicalism. It's far more interesting as a human book than as some sort of divine theological code.

[@elihinze3161]

Wow, how fascinating! This is exactly why I'm so interested in early Church history, too. So many layers of culture to peel back!

[@a.m.hofmeister725]

Hey Tinker-Brows, How are you doing? Funny seeing you here.

[@SupahTrunks7]

Well hot damn, fancy meeting you here lol. Doing great!

[@crystalgiddens7276]

Marcion of Sinope was almost certainly Jewish.

[@auspistic]

"You ok?" "Yeah I'm just filming a bit" This was such a sweet interaction. I am so glad you left it in.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@melindaelston1875]

Thank you for this. I was raised Christian and began questioning things in my early teens. I considered myself an atheist by mid high school. However, I still had so many questions about the origins of Christian teachings, which your channel is helping to answer. I appreciate your well researched and scholarly approach to these topics, as well as your kind and thoughtful treatment of all other people and their ideas.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples . BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY. JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR.. "Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation." If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church. The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles. Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature. All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt. The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes. Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated. John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics. We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification. Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town. Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea.. Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed. Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament. The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit. Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ? The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas. Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836. In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.” 1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu . Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114). AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ? Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them. Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews. For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas.

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. Seneca the Younger

[@Ordinal_Yoda]

The concept is easy. When Israel asked for a king this made God angry. So he promised them a king with his own name that he could be king again. Therefore Existence named this king Is. However regardless who believes or not. Everyone is under the Existent laws of motion. And what summary for ancient farmers of the law "every action has an opposite and equal reaction" than "do to others as would the self". However there is also an upgrade offered in the teaching specifically concerning how the laws of motion apply with communication. Anyways have a nice day.

[@william44011]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us why is it considered false according to wise people?

[@bookworm3715]

I love that you’re trying to do bits now. You’ve always been the most cool headed and least condescending of all the atheist KZbinrs I’ve seen- you and CosmicSkeptic stand out in this respect. Your video quality just keeps improving and your attitude and approach to learning and convincing people really has made a difference in my life.

[@HishighnessMrL]

I'd include Holy Kool-aid in that list as well

[@bookworm3715]

@@HishighnessMrL I feel he’s a little too condescending to people who are “stupid.” This is something I know GMS makes a huge effort to not do

[@HishighnessMrL]

@@bookworm3715 I can't say I've picked that up really but I definitely can agree that GMS goes the extra mile to avoid using any malicious rhetoric, more so than anyone I know in this space. I became an atheist through Holy Kool-aid's content and I always found his presentation of arguments compelling and lovingly delivered, I never felt atagonized or made small by him throughout my journey of deconstruction from a "super-believer"

[@bookworm3715]

@@HishighnessMrL I agree with that- they’re all amazing

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@Master_Conner]

“Big claims in this one.“ I already know this is gonna be good.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@oskarthenarrator]

I first read about this while researching the Book of Judas after you referenced it in a video, and I'm so happy to see a video devoted entirely to Marcion. Keep up the good work, man.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@enkicapricorn]

No Goy The bible is fake and gay. The (((establishment))) doesn't approve you reading the bible

[@Pooneil1984]

As a fellow former Christian and current atheist, I agree with your closing point, the humanness of the bible and religion makes it fascinating. I really enjoy your liberal and humanist approach to religion.

[@gregoryfenn1462]

I think he did a video explaining how he is not a humanist

[@Pooneil1984]

@@gregoryfenn1462 There is a difference between the modern Humanists movement and taking a human centered approach. Wikipedia defines humanism as a philosophical stance that emphasizes the individual and social potential and agency of human beings. That seems to fit here.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@staticinteger]

Oh hi fellow Peacock! I am also an atheist but used to be a Christian:)

[@Pooneil1984]

@@staticinteger Hi, Tim.

[@PlugInRides]

Thomas Jefferson was an 18th century heretic, in the tradition of Marcion. Jefferson created his Christian Bible "with a knife, instead of a pen", by removing all the supernatural aspects of the Gospels (miracles, virgin birth, resurrection), while preserving Christ's teachings on love and charity. Jefferson sought to preserve the core teachings and parables attributed to Jesus, while removing his status as the Son of God, or one part of a Holy Trinity. The Religious Right likes to gloss over this inconvenient fact, claiming that our country was founded as a "Christian nation", and that the Founding Fathers were all devout Christians. They ignore the fact that many of our founding fathers were merely Deists, and that current Evangelical Christian practices and beliefs, were not popular in the 18th century American colonies. Biblical literalism wasn't even a thing back then.

[@spacelinx]

I partly disagree. You are right in that many of the US founders were deists, though they had sympathies towards a Judeo-Christian worldview, but were just as influenced by classical Greco-Roman philosophy. Modern evangelicalism as we think of it came about towards the middle 1800s, but Biblical literalism and total fundamentalism combined with what could be seen as superstitions were alive and well within the British American colonies. This is what the Puritan movement was about (though its origins predates the mass colonization of British colonial America) and the infamous Salem witch trials were fueled by Christian fundamentalism and superstitions. Even John Wesley who made a missionary trip to the Georgia colony could arguably be considered a Christian fundamentalist in many ways, even amidst his focus on Christian-based support to society such as welfare for children and orphans, and free education and hospitals, an unheard of thing in 17th century England.

[@PlugInRides]

@@spacelinx My larger point was that The Founding Fathers didn't, by and large, believe in Biblical literalism. In the Treaty of Tripoli (1796), a clause in Article 11 of the English language American version which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This treaty was signed during the Presidency of George Washington, and ratified by the US Senate during the John Adams administration.

[@adamjohannesson3434]

People are christians, not nations

[@andrewnorris7642]

Thomas Jefferson was a Muslim. Mashallah

[@adamjohannesson3434]

@@andrewnorris7642 aha

[@ditchspaksch2226]

As a Christian I like your videos increasingly more, the more you produce. They're just extremely informative and interesting. Thank you

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@NicBob89]

Same here!

[@07silvali]

@@NicBob89 What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@lionheartmerrill1069]

A lot of crazy highly intelligent free will people unable to understand the Reality of the Word of God. I found a channel, Kristi Burke, 20 year Baptist & now "Former Christian/Agnostic Atheist", @jezebelvibes, who helps Christians deconstruct from Christianity.

[@catrardellybird2526]

I've always loved listening to your content. I have a whole playlist of your vids I listen to while chilling playing games. I'm not home right now, so I'll watch this one when I am. Keep up the great work!

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@BobN54]

Thanks for that, Drew. A first-class presentation of a really interesting topic. I think that the effect of Marcionism on the development of Christianity is really interesting. Especially the extent to which the texts of the subsequent Bible were edited and amended in order to exclude anything that could be interpreted as Marcionism.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@AvatAR42420]

I am not a Christian, but Marcion's Christianity makes a lot more sense to me than the version that actually won out. I wonder what would have happened, how the world would have changed if Marcion's teaching became the cannon.

[@GumSkyloard]

Jesus would've become a bigger symbol of fighting against authority, for sure.

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

Yeah it really answered many of the many many Many contradictions

[@Herobeans]

Christian Zionism would not be a thing at all and anti-semitism would be even worse as Marcion's Christianity is basically normal Christianity but with no Jewish influence (with a sprinkle of Gnostism)

[@CaptainCanuck68]

If Marcion became canon misotheists would be called Christians and today's Christians wouldn't exist.

[@wulfosaurus1835]

One thing I've noticed in family who try to _reconstruct_ their Christianity to fit with their traditional, fundamental values that they were raised with, and that they really want to keep, they'll cling to a "historical Christianity", which of course ignores the question, "which one"? There's folks out there still thinking that there is *one* correct Christian teaching. They're all competing for that title. We don't know yet, if even at all.

[@jjphank]

Bart Herman’s a liar, every category God has left evidence so that you’ll have no excuse on judgment day!

[@bolanmoonward3483]

Since *all* Christian teaching is based on legend and myth, there is no "correct" Christian teaching. So, we *do* know.

[@jjphank]

@@bolanmoonward3483 All Christian teachings are based on love God more than yourself and love others more than yourself! This is called the golden rule! then you’ll never sin against people and never sin against God! You’ll never break any of the 10 Commandments, this is Old Testament law. The new testament law of Christ going further with that, Says the same but it says to be proactive in sharing your faith so you can try to get people from going to heaven, instead of hell! The love Jesus puts in your heart, gives you the desire to win people to the Lord! So what I’m trying to do here so keep asking questions, but your question is based on ignorance because you don’t know what the Bible actually says and how good of a book it is! The Bible is morally perfect psychologically smarter than all the mankind put together etc. and evidence for medical laws, quarantine laws that are still good, science and again, perfect morality!

[@vys_seel]

In my deconstruction journey… I came to that realization and almost immediately shifted to an agnostic/atheist understanding of my reality.

[@jjphank]

@@vys_seel you just said you’re dumber than ever before because agnostic means “you don’t know!” we got all the evidence on our side, the Christian side that is! so come home to Jesus before it’s too late and you end up in eternal hell! In every category you could think of, the God of the Bible has left evidence so that you are without excuse! Then you’ll stop being somebody who doesn’t know , to somebody who knows immensely!

[@Eve.v]

i am absolutely OBSESSED with the energy you're bringing in this video by keeping in certain little moments. like: [blurry, out of focus, underneath table] "yeah im just filming a bit :)" this is a super fun topic already but the editing has REALLY pushed it over the top 👏

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@LiShuBen]

Marcians doctrine sounds very similar to the book of judas in regards to the idea that the God of the old testament was a villian and that Jesus was sent by another diety to save the people. I'd be interested in hearing his views on cosmology

[@wilkiebunkers1352]

There are certainly similarities. The Gospel of Judas, though, is considered a Gnostic text (Sethian Gnostic, specifically). Marcion probably wasn't Gnostic-leaning but more of a pure Paulinist. There's debate, of course, about how Gnostic Paul's cosmology was before he was co-opted by the emerging orthodox of the 2nd century, but thats another debate. History Valley is a good channel if you're interested in those kinds of discussions.

[@kirstencorby8465]

That idea has always made a disturbing amount of sense to me.

[@crutherfordmusic]

Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.

[@power279]

@@crutherfordmusic Yes..But He was So Different from YHWH.

[@crutherfordmusic]

@@power279 Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Zec_14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

[@lisaboban]

Thank you for partnering with an actual scholar to make this amazing content understandable to non-scholars.

[@susanlawens3776]

All of this is so fascinating. I mean, first you have Semitic peoples who borrowed the idea of their god from other older civilizations' gods, hammering at least two of those gods into one, with a capital G. And then you have Jewish and early Christians trying to fit in a messiah who may or may not be God, who may or may not be the son of this other God, who may or may not be both. Or neither. And then people who wanted to distance themselves from Jewish people and their beliefs, carving out their own religion from all of it. And then the people after that cherry picking what they like from all of that like picking which items you want on a dollar menu, labeling everyone else "heretics" and "pagans". And then you have modern Christians who are basically turning it all into something else entirely (fuck the poor, pro-guns, pro-war, anti-abortion, embracing wealth and wealthy people, etc...) Both fascinating, and wtf.

[@mechanoid2k]

I think your interpretation of modern Christians "fuck the poor, pro-guns, pro-war, anti-abortion, embracing wealth and wealthy people, etc..." to be EXTREMELY flawed. Do those people exist? Sure but I think you've been conditioned to believe this by what many Christians would deem "liberal sources". Being pro gun doesn't mean being pro murder. I've never met anyone in the "gun nut" community who value guns for anything other than self defense, sport, or hunting. Christians loved Trump because he didn't start any foreign conflicts and made a huge attempt at a peace negotiation in the middle east. Christians are constantly ragging on people like George Soros and Klaus Schawb - the elite, so I'm not sure where the love of wealth and wealthy people comes from. And lastly, if you're against human sacrifice and murder and you view a fetus to be a human person then it's not illogical for a Christian to be anti abortion.

[@ksdtsubfil6840]

I did not know Marcion's bible fanfictions coincided with Judas' gospelwiki, especially when it comes to referring to the biblical god as evil. What a surprise.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@Aim54Delta]

It is interesting to me that, in Revelation 13, it specifically states that the world shall be ruled by the devil - that these things have happened, are happening, and are yet to come. And we all celebrate the Christian World....... Everyone thinks they are the exception to the rule. When it says all shall worship the beast, that means you. It's aslso interesting... after eating the fruit of knowledge, adam and eve were banished from eden. Their son, abel, became a shepherd and ruler. Their other son, cain, became a farmer. When asked to give offerings to god, abel chose to give offerings from his following. Cain chose to give offerings of his crops. God favored the burnt animal sacrifices. One way of interpreting this is that the people outside the immediate tribe were not people. Cain took wives from Nod - but who were they? Abel was a shepherd not just of animals, but of other hominids. The burnt offerings favored by god were other people. And this is why Cain killed Abel. Not out of jealousy, but as a judgment. As man is equal to the god of adam. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXynY2ZjoL-UY7M An interesting side note... the character's theme is "Perdition Crisis" - she is a farmer/carries a scythe, and her stage theme is "Bad Apple." Which has some rather interesting and popular shadow art.

[@makaiawarfield1028]

@@Aim54Delta Not gonna lie, the interpretation of Abel as a 'shepherd of people' who offered members of that flock as sacrifices is *wild*. I'm not educated enough on the subject to say if I think that's a 'valid' interpretation or not, but because of my personal interests/mythology, I really vibe with it and might incorporate it into some of my art projects. Also thanks for the link. Wasn't expecting that, but it rocks lol

[@Aim54Delta]

@@makaiawarfield1028 To be fair, I usually use it as a bit of a troll argument to stir the pot or invert the table on someone. The cain and abel story has many parallels with the set/osiris story. There were several versions of it, but the story is that set was the patron god of lower egypt (migrants and farmers) while osiris was the patron god of upper egypt (royals and estates). The two were set to inherit the land from their father and held numerous competitions to settle who would inherit the land. Their father favored Set, but it was Osiris who often won in competitions. Depending on exactly which version. Set eventually killed Osiris, cutting him up and scattering his body. Isis had a conniption fit and put osiris back together well enough to get some necrophilia on and impregnate herself and later give birth to Horus. Set is banned to wander the desert and cursed to spread infertility through the land. ... or so upper egypt wrote. If you are familiar with the SCP Foundation, there are interesting entries for Cain and Abel. I also met someone on the more curious corners of the internet who was very insistent upon the idea that Cain was, in fact, female. One aspect of scholarship that is often overlooked is the in-family passage of information. What parents tell their children or what articles have been kept in private trust. For example, I asked my father what our family name meant. He said "I was always told by my dad and grand father that it meant 'keeper of the land' - but I don't really know." This was probably because my dad knew enough German to realize that the name, in German, literally just means "from graz." However, Graz, when it was Slovenian, was known as Gradec - "the little fort" - which then makes considerably more sense with the original meaning. Our family predates the German/Austrian culture. Or so goes my reading of it. For more established families, who've held estates in countries for over a thousand years... one must wonder what they hold to be true.

[@makaiawarfield1028]

@@Aim54Delta That's cool. I really loved ancient Egyptian mythology when I was a kid, but I never knew about the upper/lower Egyptian associations with Osiris and Set. I feel like that could be read in a very class-conscious way (which I personally think is super cool). That's really neat, and gives me more to chew on. I have a story that I've been working on for about a decade now lol I keep overhauling it trying to get it to work, and I've actually taken screenshots of your comments because your tellings of those stories actually fit really well with the themes and mood of the story I'm working on, and I'm feeling pretty inspired by them and might try to integrate some of those ideas. It's really cool, and I really appreciate your sharing 😄

[@ProdigalSonMatt]

Marcian’s interpretation may be right. The Old Testament and New Testament is so different with the Old full of violence and the New with peace… it’s like Jesus came to correct the “evils” of the old. Gnosticism is so interesting to study as some branches are much more palatable than some of the denominations of today.

[@geislar7682]

One big problem with Marion's interpretation is that Jesus worshipped and believed in Yahweh of the Old Testament. He prayed to that god. Had Jesus preached a worship of a different deity to the Jewish people his following would never have gotten the traction it did after his death.

[@jjphank]

God made it a one step: you read the Bible do what it says, or you’re gonna burn in hell! the Bible is a perfect book, morally, psychologically more profound than anything you can come up with as far as an excuse for God Not to throw you into hell, it’s a steel trap , There are no excuses! First two laws of thermodynamics in the first two chapters when evolutionists cannot explain them! Wake up before you wake up in hell and you’re never able to get out!

[@matthewn2559]

What you need to understand is the difference between the Covenant of Law and the Covenant of Grace. Jesus did not come to correct the "evils" of the old rather He came to fulfill the Old Covenant (keeping of the Law) so that He could establish a New Covenant ( Salvation by Grace). The Covenant of the Law served two purposes-one minor and one major. The minor purpose of the Law was to establish a framework for society to function (an earthly temporary purpose) and the major purpose was spiritual to point people of the need of grace as no one can fulfill the Law perfectly. The Bible teaches that if we as people were not sinful the Law would not be necessary. Trying to fulfill the Law will not earn us salvation and to prove this we only have to look to the example of Moses. Moses, whom God chose to deliver the Law, was himself barred from entering the Promised Land as he had sinned in the wilderness (by striking the rock for water instead of obeying God's command). The deep truth that God is showing mankind through the historical example of Moses is that no one can fulfill the Law. Again, this is why Christ came to establish the Covenant of Grace. I encourage you to take the time to do a little more deep thinking when it comes to these matters instead of buying into the false teachings of Gnosticism and people like Bart Ehrman. I recommend you read the book of Galatians and then follow that up with the book of Colossians. The ESV translation is a great Bible translation to use. Here are some verses you can start with if you so choose: Romans chapter 8 verses 3 and 4, Galatians chapter 2 verse 16 and 21, and Galatians chapter 3 verse 13. I wish you the best. Sincerely Matthew N.

[@mikeymoughtin]

So this is sort of why the mormons made a new book and some of what it does is patch up inconsistencies in the bible, like claiming it was God's plan for the serpent to trick adam and eve into eating the apple. Alot of newer churches participate in certain kinds of revisionism, like claiming genesis is a metaphor, or that many outlandish things in the bible are there for the moral of the story, not as historical fact. But i agree, between this and the lost gospel of judas, i think there was a real push that's mostly lost to history around painting the god of the old testament as the bad guy

[@joshjames582]

This parallels the ideas the early American thinker Thomas Paine had. He came to the conclusion the god of the OT must be a devil or demon.

[@JeremyHalterman]

Absolutely the most spot-on treatment of this subject I've seen outside of scholarly works! Thank you so much for distilling all this info into _only_ half an hour. Do you have a list of works cited we could use for reference and further exploration?

[@peterashby-saracen3681]

I didn't know anything about Marcion, so thank you for taking the time to collaborate on this one. It's another very useful presentation that will help us in our discussions with christians.

[@littleredpony6868]

Same here, even though I’ve heard his name before

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples . BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY. JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR.. "Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation." If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church. The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles. Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature. All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt. The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes. Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated. John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics. We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification. Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town. Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea.. Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed. Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament. The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit. Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ? The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas. Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836. In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.” 1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu . Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114). AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ? Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them. Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews. For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas.

[@jotunman627]

It's just one of the many heresies of that time.

[@susansteinkraus2821]

Thanks, Drew. This is the most interesting piece I've seen on KZbin in several months. More, please!

[@Hollycb12]

8:25 it's so cute that she came to check on you 😂❤ watching you two interact is one of my favorite things on either of your channels. It's inspiring seeing how much you love each other #goals

[@ninjaturtletyke3328]

Considering your recent shift, I wasn't thinking you were going to do content this contentious considering your viewership. I love content like this. So I hope this reads as intended

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

What do you mean by my recent shift?

[@ninjaturtletyke3328]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic I just mean how you are focusing more on the psychology of belief. I wasn't expecting history that can be interpreted as you bashing Christianity. I understand this video is in no way doing that. But I imagine many Christians will read this as standard atheist content with assumptions

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Oh ok, makes sense. A lot of people are leaving comments saying that I’m “going back to Christianity” lately (which is definitely not true) and I thought you might be saying that. I’ll definitely keep making videos about Christian literature and history. They are provocative, but that’s only because the “history” that Christian institutions teach is of such poor, biased quality that it makes honest history lessons seem hostile, like you mentioned.

[@ninjaturtletyke3328]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic yethth

[@littlebitofhope1489]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Hi, this is going to sound strange, but I'm disabled and not very tech savvy. I'm a non theist Quaker in the US who is really concerned about the crazy Christian Nationalism. I watched the Texas Paul video and this is getting out of hand. I know an Anglican Priest (strange part) in Canada who really wants to help, and he asked me to find clips or other materials about good ways to counter this. He wants be an ally with us in this. He is really progressive and wants to help, and I could only think of the Atheist Community. He is very ok with that. I don't know who to connect him too. This is a bit of a hail mary, so I apologize if it sounds too crazy. It's just that these people are going to get very violent soon, and I want to help stop that in any way I can. Any ideas at all?

[@perplexedon9834]

Out of focus Drew: "You called their god an evil tree, what did you expect?" Wife off camera: "Are you ok?" I actually had to pause this video to stop laughing, that was great.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@johnd.9]

So very well researched, written and presented. Kudos to everyone involved. I had no idea about any of this. I've been an atheist for over four decades and I have some reading to do here. Thank you, Drew . From a proud patron.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@Fable999]

I love the addition of some little funny editing or comedic moments in this video. It mixes things up nicely, and gets a solid chuckle out of me

[@jesuslovesyou2616]

Jesus Christ died for your sins please repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand 1223454

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 - For the bible tells you so. BTW, what is the significance of that sequence of numbers?

[@Fable999]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 No ❤

[@nedthumberland]

This is why I love your channel -- intellectual honesty and integrity. Instead of taking sides or falling into the trap of endless, pointless, vague arguments, you at least try to be as objective and unbiased as you can. Thank you!

[@alphamorion4314]

This is *so* interesting. I remember back in my high school days, I made a dissertation and presentation about satanism: while doing the research, I discovered that *some* brands of it tend to be influenced by the idea, and interpretation, that the God of know Christianity is actually the "bad guy", and the Good Guy God is a different entity altogether. Since I've never been inside of those circles, I of course don't know if the people inside them (and who actually believe and worship) still use names like Lucifer or such, or they have entirely different ways to name what they consider to be the 'good guy'. Still: it is notable to draw parallels between that, and the Marcian doctrines you so eloquently explained in this video. It even somwhat resembles some of the things that are allegedly written in the Book of Judas (and I say allegedly, because it is not something I have read, so I cannot in good conscience use more "assertive" terminology here) so... Yeah. Very interesting.

[@garion742]

Love the left in "outtakes". Your wife checking on you was great :) Both under cut and enhanced the bit

[@davidallyn1818]

Drew thank you so much for putting this exhaustive research together!! What I find the most astounding thing about Evangelicals and this idea of the bible being a literal, divine accounting of everything is the divorcing of common sense from that ideology. I find it harder and harder to have real conversations with my family, because they will always float Bible verses into conversation as if Jesus himself said them. In actuality He **may** have said them. Lawyers will often tell you that eyewitness accounts are faulty even days after the event. The fact is, even his closest disciples wrote (or had their ideas written) decades after Jesus was alive. There is no way they would remember verbatim - so it's not what Jesus said exactly no matter how many double quotes you put around it. Anyway - thanks so much for your effort!! I love that you back up your material with actual scholarly research -- and that you use a blue key light its a nice touch

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@sweatt4237]

If you were giving eye wittiness testimony about a murder that happen 10 years ago, misquoting the victims last words by 2 words and a comma isn't evidence that the murder never happen. These men claim to have known God in the flesh and were willing to die for that claim. That's the point, not a word by word perfect recorded of a conversation 2000 years ago.

[@davidallyn1818]

@@sweatt4237 True... but if another person's account of that same event showed the person was acting in self defense, who do you believe?? The determining factor could literally be a single word: "...the gun was pointed down..." or "...the gun was pointed ahead..." - that nuance could make it a murder or self-defense. The point is we are all fallible and can easily get the details wrong - especially from a lens of decades, centuries, or millennia of time to subtly explode or minimize the details over life experience -- that can change the interpretation of the events. And people are willing to die for those beliefs, but it doesn't make them right. For example, there continue to be followers of David Koresh from the Branch Davidian cult that are willing to die for their belief that David Koresh was the messiah. David died in 1993 - FBI accounts are that he was shot, but his believers are waiting for his resurrection. If they were to write David's words in a book and pass their ideas from generation to generation so that it eventually becomes a religion - would it make him the messiah and will he rise again??? Personally, my issue with literalist preachers is they are unwilling to incorporate rationality into their discussions. That is, as congregation we are asked to "have faith", but what is really being asked is "...listen to me not them...". This is following the man - not God. Preachers often stick to their interpretation of The Bible as the word-for-word, authoritative, complete reference of God, and they disregard evidence all around them that may contradict their beliefs in that book. The people that suffer are those that believe blindly in that man standing over them with a bible raised in the air. For example, the Earth is not 6,000 years old because a preacher's version of history is only The Bible. The Earth is vastly older than 6,000, because of millions of published observations across geology, anthropology, chemistry, physics, climate science, and astronomy. Indeed, ice core observations from the Antarctic alone go back at least 100,000 years - God was here then, but The Bible wasn't written yet. For me, God is much much bigger than a single collection of books, The Bible is the beginning - not the end - of our understanding of Him, and the preacher is only a man. God's wonder and inspiration are all around us in the world and universe we live in!!! He shows himself in so many ways that The Bible simply can't attest to, because the writers couldn't understand how those physics and systems work. We've literally taken images of a single atom, and we've literally taken images of galaxies far away. Speaking of... have you seen the latest images from James Webb Telescope?!? - God is there too!! These images that this telescope is going to take will describe Him in incredibly distant and past places in His universe. This is the exploration of Him and His universe: www.flickr.com/photos/nasawebbtelescope/52258939646/in/album-72177720301006030/

[@sweatt4237]

@@davidallyn1818 I don't think there is room for ambiguity in "Hey that guy was dead, but now he's walking around talking to us." You can't just change 1 word and erase the Resurrection, you would essentially need to remove every book in the NT. Which leaves us with having to deal with that claim. Unlike examples of modern cults where people died because of a promise of some future proof, the disciples died because of a present evidence. You don't have to accept their claim but you do have to accept that they believed it unto death. As a side. I think you have better examples to use than Koresh. Lots of them surrendered, and it would be easy to find people today that would fire back at the Feds if they were trying to shoot into your home with your kids especially in that time after seeing the same exact guy that headshot a mother holding a baby now pointing his rifle at your kids. I think that's more an example of fight or flight rather than cult of personality. God Bless.

[@davidallyn1818]

@@sweatt4237 I never said anything about discounting the resurrection with one word - you're putting those words in my mouth - please re-read my comments. Plus, I think my point is being demonstrated right here. It doesn't take thousands of years to misinterpret a word, it can be misinterpreted immediately.

[@greggi47]

I hadn't watched your videos for a while. I am glad to have found this one. After concluding that I might describe myself as a Unitarian Arian Adoptionist Agnostic, I see that my own questions (uninformed, of course) seem to have brought me close to being a sort-of Marcionite. The question about the iidentity of the God of Jesus --so incongruent with the God of the Hebrew Bible--has puzzled me. Marcion offers an answer. Thanks for this and all the other things you share. The non-confrontational, humane and articulate presentation is so great a contrast with the shrill and smug and condemnatory screeds of The Others is wonderful.

[@matthewklepatz937]

I have been following your content for a little while and I absolutely love the style that you have developed. It's entertaining without having to make fun of the other side and extremely educational. Keep up the good work, you deserve a lot more views for how good your content is.

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@k8tina]

Interesting. I've always believed from a very young age that the "God" of the Old Testament was 'mean and cruel' and that Jesus was not from the same "God" of the Old Testament because he preached the complete opposite, ie love, acceptance & forgiveness. It felt good to have these beliefs validated.

[@nepunepu5894]

Even though the religion is dead, the believe is still alive, eh?

[@micahhenley589]

The God of the Old testament is the same God of the New testament. Jesus said "I and the Father are one." John 10:30

[@J-ManProductions]

@@micahhenley589 strictly speaking he didn’t say “the father” is the God of the Old Testament. If his father was the God of Marcion rather than the God of Abraham then he could still say he is one with the father. He could even have meant he was one with Joseph. That doesn’t mean any of the fringe theories are true, just not proven false.

[@jboyd0104]

@@micahhenley589 Lol, Jesus only claimed to be ‘one’ with God in the gospel of John. Mark, Luke, Matthew, and Paul never mention that little detail for some reason… I wonder why 🤔

[@ezra7088]

this comment thread could be made into some sort of joke. I'm not very creative, but I'll give it a go. What do you get when religious people argue with each other in the comments of an atheist's youtube video? Nope not threats that the others will go to hell, as this batch is actually all Christians. That's right, a new sect of Christianity, because they're so good at fighting with each other they needed an entire new sect to show there differing opinions. This is all meant in good fun, I don't have any problems with Christianity as long as it is not used as a tool to hurt others or those within the religion edit - god damn, I used the wrong 'there; I'm a buffoon

[@raisnaix]

I am baffled at how long I've been watching your videos without being subscribed! Your content is fantastic and I share it often! Keep doing what you're doing! -Me, a Chaplain

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@libertine5606]

These were part of the seeds of my cognitive dissonance. In Sunday school I was taught that the Bible was God's word. I magically thought that if someone tried to change a word that it would magically go back to the correct word that the all powerful God wanted. When I found out that there were many versions of "the Bible" the dissonance started. When I found out that there wasn't "a Christianity" , and we won't even go into that they warred against each other, more dissonance. How could you justify planting car bombs against other "Christians"? Then the church elders lied and said that atheist were the picture of pure evil and I found out that wasn't true, more dissonance. Funny how all this went away when you understand that this is all myths made up by fallible people with personal agendas.

[@vibes1652]

The bible is more accurately inspired by God, the source of all knowledge is God but it still has to go through a human filter (the authors) the bible is a library of many books, there is some argument about what is canon but the major writings were accepted by almost all Christians by the middle of the 3rd century, when they discovered the dead sea scrolls they were surprised at how accurate the bible actually is, the various versions you speak of are dependant upon the translation used, word for word is more accurate than meaning for meaning.. I don't think christians point all sin to atheists, christians are known to accept that we are all sinners.

[@juanausensi499]

@@vibes1652 That's fine, but then why so many Christians are so adamant in proclaiming Bible's inerrancy?

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@druidriley3163]

@@vibes1652 - *The bible is more accurately inspired by God, the source of all knowledge* You mean this is the CLAIM for the bible. There is no evidence that this is true. Any evidence that we do have points to the bible books being nothing but a collection of myths, dietary laws, and morality tales CLEARLY written by the men of the time, who didn't know where the sun went at night but were totally pro-slavery, pro-war and pro-keeping women in their place as property and sexual slaves.

[@88marome]

There's been words, sentenses and whole passages added and removed by mistake or for political reasons. We don't even have the original texts so who knows what the Bible originaly said?!

[@jeffbtvs]

Still consider myself a believer, but damn I love your videos. I appreciate the objective perspective more than anything else. These days you have radicals on both sides and it's awesome to see someone providing objective information rather than subjective truth.

[@tulliusagrippa5752]

Truth is never subjective. If it is subjective, it cannot be truth. It is opinion.

[@Penfold101]

Which parts do you still believe, and why…?

[@themoonsanus7213]

Radical atheist doing what

[@CJFCarlsson]

@@themoonsanus7213 being themselves.

[@vys_seel]

@@tulliusagrippa5752 and yet, that’s just one opinion on the definition of truth 😉

[@paumiam8742]

As I Catholic, I just wanna say that I really loved the video. Your work is always well researched and you present it in a very respectful way (with no "skydaddy" jokes). I always leave your videos knowing more than before. This, with the Saint Thecla video, are my favorites so far. Hi from Chile!!

[@tacitozetticci9308]

gotta love that term though lol

[@GumSkyloard]

The best thing is that he actually adds jokes, but not directed at the religions themselves.

[@joegallegos9109]

Great vid on Marcion! You and I have a very similar upbringing and background in the church and our shared interest in studying the Bible from an historical perspective. It's amazing what church don't teach you and it's because pastors don't have a clue themselves. And your conceit at the end is spot-on: the actual tumultuous history of Christianity is so much more interesting than the glossy, fairytale version people are taught in churches.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@Joe Gallegos - I have to disagree that "pastors don't have a clue". Dr Ehrman has said that most [formally] trained ministers know of these conflicts within the bible but choose not to tell their followers. I believe there's good reason for this failing on the part of pastors/priests/ministers et al. It would contradict the assertion that the bible is the word of god and thus inerrant, or would diminish the authority of their church. That would hurt the bottom line. Knowwhattamean?

[@chrisinnes2128]

Well my minister did tell us about all of this and always allowed us to make up our own minds on the bibles

[@joegallegos9109]

@@chrisinnes2128 Good for you. That's great that you had that experience. I wish more people did.

[@joegallegos9109]

@@wickedcabinboy And I have to disagree with you because of the dozens and dozens of churches that I attended when I was growing up Evangelical none of the pastors had any academic background. So good for you for attending a church that targets middle to upper class people that have ordained ministers with academic backgrounds. A friend of mine from college is now a pastor and I love hearing his sermons. He presents the historical with the theological. And you're right, some pastors do have the academic background and do not teach from an historical perspective. That doesn't make what I said wrong because when I look at all of the churches around me that target the working class, and there are a lot of them, academia is not at the forefront. They are bastions of emotional support. And I don't deny that even in the churches you attended pastors used to leave out the academia parts. I attended a Catholic Church with a friend once in Beverly hills and the sermon was literally about how the people of the church shouldn't read the Bible and that it should be left up to the priests to interpret it for them. I'm not even kidding. Needless to say I never attended that church again. But to say you disagree with me implies what I said isn't true and it is and those are the pastors I'm specifically talking about. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that I was excluding upper middle class to upper class degreed pastors.

[@chrisinnes2128]

Yeah that is generally what you get from attending a Church of Scotland church

[@HidinginPublic]

Amazing. This video was super interesting and some of the quotes were sick

[@dany_fg]

05:48 god as the villain vs jesus as the isekai protagonist will be such a good storyline my title for the anime: "I died and reincarnated as a savior, and also god wants to kill me"

[@JD-wu5pf]

8:20 Relationship goals is making sure your husband is just goofing around and isn't actually getting into fights about evil tree gods

[@lovelylanafansweetie4240]

That was so adorable 🥰

[@PlanetaryResetMusic]

I really like how point out the flaws in Christianity without showing disdain. Like, the humanity in this religion makes it more beautiful, rather than less so. As someone who's left the church, this feels like a good way to deal with religious trauma without being left bitter. Thank you for what you do

[@alexandrakershner4463]

Love love LOVE this newer editing style haha, genuinely laughing at so many of those fun bits (and love that she had to check up on you that you were okay 😂)

[@michaeladu6120]

Even today, many Christians have a hard time explaining the radically natures of the God(s) in the Old and New Testaments.

[@haramanggapuja]

"It's important to remember that, like most religious apologists today, they're not writing to engage their opponents in dialogue, but rather, writing to assure their base that they have good reason to disregard any alternative to their way of seeing things." . . . Sure sounds like a cult to me. No different from $cientologists calling any break-away cult/group as "squirrels" deserving only of being declaried SPs or Fair Game.

[@ericvulgate]

All religions begin as cults.

[@terrilj]

Hi Drew. 25 years ago I walked away from my faith. (I was 32). I was brought up as a fundamental evangelical in the Christain Missionary Alliance Church in Montana. I taught Biblestudy, led prayer groups, wrote 100s of love poems to Jesus and witnessed to everyone because the idea of people I loved going to hell would terrify me and break my heart. It was after I realized I was kinder than God that I realized I could no longer follow him. I have considered myself agnostic/atheist for over 20 years. (I'm not a lover of labels or absolutes). I couldn't watch or read a lot of atheist contributions through the years because of the anger/hatred and unkindness towards other "misled" human beings. Then my husband found you! Thank you. I appreciate you and respect you immensely. Oh, and the fear of punishment took years to overcome, but today I have peace. Real peace, which Christians think I'm lying about. That's okay though. I was there, in their shoes, so I understand.

[@terrilj]

Thank you for your kindness, thoroughness, honesty, and even humility. You are so intelligent and knowledgeable and easy to listen to. Keep the videos coming. We need you.

[@TheMya1988]

Thank you for another informative video. I have a suggestion that so often gets overlooked (we were not always a patriarchy): how female deities, who were once worshiped, were written out of the Bible (i.e. Yahweh's wife Asherah). Also, I would be so interested if you, your wife, or both would either collaborate with Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou or do a video or series of videos pertaining to her book "God: An Anatomy." I just find her work fascinating and informative. I know that if I had read her works earlier, my journey towards deconstruction would not have been as excruciatingly painful as it was. Just a bit of background, at age 5, I already had begun questioning my faith. Yet, it was not until my early teen years, that I truly began my journey towards deconstruction, which lasted almost two decades. Being an avid bookworm and a person craving knowledge, as well as a female, I found it difficult to relate to all the men in most of the fields (quite frankly, the little coverage regarding women, in general, and the mysogeny that still exists in science, religion, history, etc., kept triggering my own insecurities), and I continuously added in the God of the Gaps, because I could not just come to terms with just saying, "I don't know."

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@paonippobemduro]

As far i know, Yahweh's wife, Ashera, is even more mythical than him, since it was created by minories. Ashera was not considered Yahwen's wife by the main doctrine. But it's not like trying do add more gods to their mythical pantheons was something rare in ancient times, but it was controversial, since the jews faith was established in the idea of only one god.

[@hadeanheathen3979]

"hair's looking sufficiently like a crossiant" i'm interested to know what sorts of crossiants you've seen in your life to come to that conclusion

[@Pyromaniac77777]

It looks like any croissant I’ve ever seen

[@hadeanheathen3979]

@@Pyromaniac77777 maybe all crossiants ever made have been Drew's hair all along!

[@arrownibent5980]

I think you struck gold in with this idea of scripture being more fascinating by being the rough construction of men instead of some previously shaped ideal collection. The struggle to create is an important part of human life

[@bluemarb1e787]

Hey Drew! This one was pretty fun, do you have a bibliography? I’d like to poke through some articles and such about this

[@pjosephlthewonder5082]

I was first introduced to the 'fable' of Marcion Bible in then the faith I was being raised in. The Nun teaching the history of the book told us that a 'fable' was made up by the Jews to discredit the holly book, and that was the mythical bible of Marcion. With in two years I would began to ask questions that came up from other books I was reading about the religion. I would at thirteen be physical removed from the church and told never come back, I haven't. Fast Forward to my college years and there again came the Marcion Church in history. By this time I had read books that in fact proved I was lied to in my youth by that same religion that tossed me out. Sense I have read more books and come to believe that this truly is the Anti Knowledge religion of all the religions. I continue to learn more, and though I never thought about Marcion as being Gnostic, your information here has made that a better understanding about him. I would like to know if any of the 'bibles of Macion' are in the forbidden archives of the Vatican. Peace

[@angelahull9064]

Thanks to improved conservation methods and digital archiving technology, more and more of the so-called secret archives have become publically accessible. Check out the archive website sometime, ask a librarian to help you find Marcion's bible.

[@pjosephlthewonder5082]

@@angelahull9064 Link?? So then I will. Thank You.

[@angelahull9064]

@@pjosephlthewonder5082 well, I did reply with a link, but that post disappeared. Digital Vatican Library

[@joew8438]

Oh my no god, I just got an ad for Rhett singing humanism songs on your YT channel! That may be the first time I've gotten an atheism aligned ad on a skeptic video, instead of a Christianity or other cult aligned ad on a skeptic channel.

[@glutenfreesnark]

"You called their god an evil tree, what did you expect?" 🤣🤣

[@scottland906]

Drew it was awesome to see a lot of your personality come across in this video -- you're a really funny guy and these topics could sometimes use that -- great video

[@EyeLean5280]

History teacher here... There was actually substantial prejudice against merchants of all types in antiquity, but especially seafaring merchants. They were regarded as grasping and disreputable.

[@danampolizzi7489]

This was really was an eye opening moment for me. Thank you.

[@A1441]

Very interesting historical fact. I didn't know a single man was responsible for how the present Christian Bible was finally assembled. I'd like to find out more about this MARCION fella. Thanks for piquing my curiosity!

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

No single person was responsible for assembling the current New Testament canon. Marcion was fully responsible for his own canon, but the NT canon we have today came together over centuries through the collective work of dozens of bishops. Marcion invented the idea of a closed Christian canon, which inspired the current NT to be developed in response.

[@A1441]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Ummm... That's what I meant to say...that MARCION showed the way in assembling a New Testament that makes sense. Thanks for the video again!

[@PaulThomas-qb9cx]

@@A1441 we know about Marcion only through his later critics. He didn't leave any writings himself. But scholars have assembled what they believe is his gospel, based on the extensive criticisms of his day. You can find "The Gospel of the Lord" or "Evangelion" online or in several books. You may also enjoy learning where the roots of Gnostic thought comes from... Simon of Samaria (Simon Magus). You can read the late Hermann Detering's "The Fabricated Paul" or Robert Price's "The Amazing Collossal Apostle". Happy learning!

[@soonerarrow]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Well, I do believe Origen of Alexandria had all but four books, that would later be canonized, in the 2nd Century and then Athanasius of Alexandria wrote about the exact 27 books in 367, discussing a proto-canon. There must have been something in Alexandria's water to have two early church father's with similar lists.

[@donquixote8462]

Too bad it's not true. And is based on idiotic presuppositions. Oh well.

[@ozzizgod]

Nice, informative video. A little about myself, I am 54 and have never been a religious person in fact I've never been baptized. A few years ago I decided that even though I have an opinion about Christianity I truly have very little knowledge on the subject. I stumbled across your channel and I appreciate your fact based, non apologetic approach on the subject. I have learned more and gained a better understanding of the church from you than from any other source I have found. Keep on teaching us heretics with patience and understanding and thank you for what you do.

[@troyserdynski4030]

I wasn't expecting a Sharkboy and Lavagirl reference in a video about the Bible constructing heretic, but so is the way of things in 2022. I love it here.

[@EMNstar]

7:10 What the fuck, man. You can't just throw that reference at me like this. I almost choked on my water.

[@tamjoseph1251]

Dear Drew, thanks for your works. I enjoy this video, only the sound effect at around 6min really scared me. I don't know why, but I just feel very uncomfortable. I tried to hear it again, as I expected, it scared me one more time. Is it only me has this problem?

[@Shay45]

What I find interesting about Bart Ehrman. Is that Christians and Muslims alike will quote him and use those quotes as "proof" that the other religion is "wrong" when all he is simply doing is gathering historical & religious information and putting it out there without bias.

[@conorflynn3876]

This is really cool - I would also recommend looking at Origen, marginally after Marcion, who is often considered bedrock of Christian intellectual tradition (condemned as a heretic for some things, though that they were actually his is dubious perhaps)

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@alanpennie8013]

He's a fascinating person. Probably the first systematic thinker in Christian history.

[@07silvali]

@@alanpennie8013 What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@patrickbrannen3120]

Idk if you've been told this before but your voice is so incredibly soothing

[@taiho7777]

Thank you for your intelligent, crystalline, coherent messages; it's remarkable how seldom there is a single wasted word in one of your presentations. I don't say this lightly: I have a PhD from Northwestern University in European Intellectual History, with an emphasis on medieval heresy and historical theology, so I don't have the patience to view a video in my own field that doesn't meet a high bar of competence. I appreciate the careful craftsmanship that you put into all of your videos.

[@GumSkyloard]

My god, I love all of these versions of Christianity where God is seen as an evil, wicked creature, and Jesus came to save us *from* him. So much better than the canon!

[@ericvulgate]

It's all myth but this one makes more sense.

[@ObiJohnKenobi67]

That’s what most Gnostics believe

[@iikorayoutpriv]

Sounds like Marcion is just projecting the resentment for his father onto God.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@iikorayoutpriv As someone who has no real connection to the human race beyond my flesh... ... ... "Gods"... I suppose the mortals will one day understand or be erased again. No matter. I don't intend to intervene. If all of existence and every soul, including Gods and Devils, must all end. Then call upon the Void... Oh... Nevermind... Very few mortals know of the truth... ... ... I hope this dimension lasts long enough.

[@GumSkyloard]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 What the fuck

[@onepersonintheuniverse]

0:12 “Hair is looking sufficiently like a croissant” had me laughing 😂

[@nienke7713]

I find it fascinating to learn about Marcion, and gnostics, their ideas that Jesus was (a descendant from) another god than the god of the old testament makes so much more sense to me than that they're someohow the same or related when they really are juxtaposed in their commands, behaviours, and teachings on many accounts. I've never been a christian myself (I did grow up with christian influences as I had christian grandparents, and my primary school was suposedly christian although that didn't come trough too much), but it is still fascinating to learn about, especially considering the impact and influence it had and still has in the western world.

[@mobilemollusc615]

I'm impressed with your research. Moat of the time it seems like people think research is looking really hard on the internet. Keep it up!

[@Techniclay]

your getting more confident, and comfortable behind the camera. Thanks for all you do :)

[@MatthewKiehl]

Great treatment of the topic. I would have pushed one point a little harder; you said that the church's use of various texts was ad-halk prior to Marcion's push for his Canon / bible. The Orthodox push-back could then be called a cultural and value shift within the church. This is a shift towards more legalism and less organic development. While there were conflicts before this, the whole concept of heresy seems to birth most fully in that moment. In that moment the church seems to become excessively focused on who has it wrong, rather than a simple practice of forgiveness and egalitarianism. Anyone who has ever felt condemned by the church has touched something of that moment.

[@RevMarkSmith]

Thank you for this interesting post - a couple of thoughts about Marcion and the Bible you may wish to reflect on that may bring a significant perspective . The early Christians appear to inherited the Jewish Scriptures in something like sort of "Canon" or "Bible" and the reading of scripture was significant in synagogue worship - and of course some Jewish sects like those we know has Essenes, had already added their own writings into their liturgies. (so there is scholarly debate about if the passover meal mentioned in the gospels refers to THE passover meal as practised by Jewish mainstream and the Pharisees or part of an extended series of passover meals as observed by the essenes. The practise of early Christian apostles and missionaries of going first to the synagogues - but often then establishing an independent church based on a breakaway group of Jews and Jewish sympathisers seems to have resulted in a mainstream carrying over of Jewish scripture (probably mainly in the Greek language septuagint and in their liturgical practice. It is is easy for western protestant to miss this and focus only on the scholarly debate between theologians - but while forgetting that for many the development of canon or the Bible was largely a matter of liturgical practice.. It became a habitual part of worship to read some of Paul's letters or an extract from Gospel. And of course in the early days this was supplemented by itinerant Christian "prophets preachers and apostles", which perhaps supplanted the role held by the "pharisees and teachers" of the law There is much about Marcion and his followers (and possible predecessors) that appear to reflect an anti-Jewish (or what in our day we would could anti-semitic) stream in the culture of the Roman empire that has repeatedly emerged in the Western Church since then. Marcion's objection are not just to the tricky bits of the Old Testament - while keeping the more universalist parts consistent with his views - he actually excises everything with Jewish origins ! One perspective on his "canon" which is the essence of Tertullian's critique is that he removes everything with Jewish origins - out with Jewish religion , culture , history , literature , and the all the children of the evil god ! So if you fancy a future video on Marcion - "was maricion's heresy anti-semitism" might be an interesting exploration ? And of course it is so easy for those raised in US protestant evangelicalism to misinterpret early discussions about canon as being what was "the infallible word of God" rather than in the thought categories of the primitive church.

[@madeleinedarnoco5190]

I really love the tone in this one!! Such fun! Also: do you know Philosophy Tube? You two really should collaborate one time

[@MrBBaron]

Always enjoy and learn from your content. As a guitaist, I noticed in your video a guitar and bass in the background. How long have you been playing and what music do you like to play on the guitar?

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I rarely play these days, but I started on bass at 15 and guitar at 16 (I’m 28). In high school I played mostly punk rock and a little bit of folk, mainly because that was easy. In college a friend taught me some theory and better technique (I’m self taught) and then I branched out into all kinds of stuff. Post hardcore, 90s alt/indie, and blues were my thing after that.

[@MrBBaron]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic As a Boomer I love playing the blues and classic rock. I see you are not now into Gospel music LOL.

[@NicBob89]

This is super interesting 🧐 I’m orthodox christian myself. I recently heard from my Russian friend (I’m Greek btw) that the Russian and Greek Orthodox Church have split because of the war with Russia and Ukraine. Personally I think that regarding the very specific differences you might find in beliefs, it is difficult for most people to actually know what they believe… but that if, overall people take Christs words that they know to heart and do something positive with them, that is better than nothing… but it’s interesting that the more you dig into Christianity, the more unfolds and the more you learn about what you actually believe. An interesting thing about orthodoxy is that it doesn’t only use scripture for teaching. There are traditions that are also similar to Judaic traditions in the Orthodox Church that have been carried on for over a thousand years… there are also other things, like the holy light we use during Easter (which we call Pascha, that replaces Pasach or Passover for the Jews). The use of icons of saints as inspiration on how to live a holy life, since these people are regarded as holy, even though they are not Christ. We look at trying to fast to teach ourselves discipline and overcome our base instincts to try and become better people… so that we can be “clean” before taking communion every week… we are also supposed to do confession when we feel it is necessary… but for Orthodoxy, Christianity is about trying to become like Christ, not about looking for some heavenly reward or avoiding a punishment, but just to be a better person every day, based on Chris’s teachings…

[@CaptainCanuck68]

I'm amazed that I'm just learning of the very existence of Marcion. 56 year old dystheist/misotheist right here learning new things. Thank you Drew, you are truly a scholar and a gentleman.

[@GojiMet86]

"Top 10 things the Catholic Church and Pureflix don't want you to know!" If only you could run such ads on religious based channels......

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

If you had the money then you could, but I wouldn't want to help fund Christian channels.

[@jjphank]

Catholics are not Christians they never were, read the Bible and you’ll find out! Oh by the way, 40 writers with zero margin of deviation means God wrote the Bible and you will have no excuse on judgment day! If you’re dumb enough to believe liars and not look for truth then that’s a problem for you an eternal problem! I’m really good with the Bible so start asking questions or you’re gonna burn in hell!

[@elihinze3161]

The scholarly content here was A++, but the humor has me wheezing on the floor

[@07silvali]

What does ETERNITY represent? IT'S FOREVER!! IT´S A LONG TIME!! The question is, where will you go after you die and enter ETERNITY? Have you ever lied? Hated someone? Did you steal something? If you have committed any of these acts, in God's eyes you are a liar, a murderer and a thief! Under these conditions, you will spend ETERNITY IN HELL!!! But this is not God's desire for you. JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose on the third day. HE did this so that you would be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. If you repent of your sins (turn away from them) receive and trust in JESUS CHRIST, you will be forgiven by Him and have the guarantee of ETERNAL LIFE!!! The Bible says that God will make you BORN AGAIN. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Do this today, before you enter ETERNITY!!! Tomorrow could be too late!!! "Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

[@ToolA10]

“… hair’s looking sufficiently like a croissant…” caught me off guard and I not so much laughed out loud as barked out loud. 😂

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

It's hilarious that none of his work survives, but we know a lot of it because his opponents made what amounts to 2nd century response videos 🤣

[@Venzynt]

I really want to run a DND campaign about messy theological conflict.

[@deekman78]

It's great to see your personality coming through in more recent videos. I'm sure it's probably unsettling to put yourself out there in that way, but I appreciate it.

[@LittleBitVic]

Lmao, my family also checks in on each other whenever we hear a moderately loud noise, voice or otherwise. It's a testament to how quiet we all tend to be -- I imagine Drew and his wife are likewise typically soft-spoken. Every video on the channel definitely backs that idea, and I'm here for it -- and the level of concern is *always* disproportionate to the actual noise. Me: **Drops empty water bottle while wearing headphones** *_HOUSEHOLD RAID SIREN RESPONSE_*

[@josegregoriovillarrealorte821]

God bless you, I pray His will goes before you and His mercy be with you always.

[@christopher7725]

Haha I cannot believe you threw in a Shark Boy and Lava Girl reference lol

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

I knew about Marcion and his version of Marcion. It's a pity his version of Christianity didn't take off 🙇🏼‍♀️

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 on the other hand: James 2 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 13 For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment. 14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? 15 And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: 16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? 17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. 18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? 25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? 26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead. 1 Peter 2:12 Having your conversation good among the Gentiles: that whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by the good works, which they shall behold in you, glorify God in the day of visitation. 2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time. 1 Timothy 2:10 But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

@@jesuslovesyou2616 Matthew 25 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

[@travis1240]

We would have a less confused Christianity that's for sure. Would it be better or worse? I really don't know. It's still woo woo over rational thought.

[@Mick116]

Very anti-Semitic though.

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

Only 5 minutes in and I utterly agree with Marcian that the Old Testament can just be thrown out with the bathwater.

[@pivotguydc1149]

I love the new side jokes and meta-commentary a la hbomberguy (Sharkboy and Lavagirl, "You called their God an evil tree, what did you expect?"). Keep that up!

[@historicalbiblicalresearch8440]

Marcion made a brave attempt to sort out the contradictory mess that existed. Of course it was very easy to shut down anyone by calling them a heretic. So in the end they just kept everything no matter how nonsensical . For many centuries it didn't matter too much as very few had or could read the Bible. The main consequence of this today is they have to impose the doctrine of Bible Inerrancy

[@amayoka]

Should we say this version of Christianity is Paulian? Because he contradicted the teachings of Jesus

[@joecurry6102]

I am a member of the ethnoreligious group of Irish Roman Catholics and I enjoy watching your videos. I was wondering how you viewed the Septuagint's role as an authoritative text in early Christianity, even though it's a Hellenistic Jewish text

[@davidagiel8130]

All religions cannot be right, but all of them can be wrong.

[@vonnegan5277]

As an Orthodox Christian I find this fascinating because I know very little about the actual history of this part of the early church. I knew about a few heresies and I also knew about some of the ecumenical councils following the edict of Milan but I had never heard of this guy before. Also, yeah I’m not sure what the guy was expecting by basically accusing God of being evil.

[@---zc4qt]

Constantine was NOT a real christian. He was baptized by an Arian elder on his death bed.

[@luisongo]

I find it rather funny to get interrupted by LDS ads while I view your channel... 🤣 AND after your video finishes.

[@nenmaster5218]

Hot Take: Drew is too nice. Yes, before you say it: Being polite and respectful is important, i know. I know that. But i do sometimes feel like he’s not direct enough or even; tbh; ‚sugarcoats things’.

[@itselvxiia2739]

I’m an atheist, but I found this utterly fascinating! Thanks for sharing!