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@MrLourie3 жыл бұрын
Jesus is (J)ust (E)nough (S)illy (U)seless (S)ayings to control the mindless with (G)ratuitous (O)verdone (D)ialogue from a (R)epulsive (E)vil (L)ying (I)maginary (G)od (I)nsisting (O)n (N)onsensical beliefs to live the life of an idiot.
@Andrew_Sword3 жыл бұрын
Lol i read this comment before i watched the video. I was ready for a Ronnie james dio song
@NotGoodAtNamingThings3 жыл бұрын
Is that the Joe Jackson album from 1997?
@RickReasonnz3 жыл бұрын
@@Andrew_Sword "Heaven and Heeeelllllll... Iiiiii can teeeeeelllll... Fool, FOOL!" is all I heard when I read Drew's comment
@gou06303 жыл бұрын
I have a question but not sure if I understood correctly, christians say he had to be born from the house of David, however, he is not a descendent of David since Joseph was the one descending from David and since he was not Jesus father that prophecy is wrong too.
@bournebrawler90123 жыл бұрын
Hey man, as a follower of Christ, I just want to say I love watching your videos. Even though we disagree, I appreciate so much the way you approach the topics you talk about. You're not hostile or demeaning like so many others (on both sides) are. You just present the info and your transparent without being manipulative. I'm sorry for all of the "Christians" that have been hateful towards you.
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this! I didn’t really expect to have a following of this size, so now that I do, I’m trying to set a good example for others (whatever their positions). So hearing this is really encouraging. Thank you for the kind words!
@Marniwheeler3 жыл бұрын
Solid attitude. I am trying to do the same and engage on Christian channels, but I am terrible at it. You are a better person then me, keep it up.
3 жыл бұрын
@@Marniwheeler I hope that u have a good day sir🌹
@HouseofBeloved3 жыл бұрын
I agree! As a Christian myself I deeply appreciate hearing clearly and non-judgmentally the other "side" of folks from the science and history community.
@arit80093 жыл бұрын
As a previously very hostile atheist, many of those people are just hurting. They've often lost family or community. They feel deceived and afraid. It generally takes a while to settle into a whole new viewpoint and way of thinking and they've often left because the flavor of religion they've left says *they* are wrong, or evil, or that things they didn't chose are a sin, or from a place where abusive parents used religion as a form of control and as an excuse for punishment. They're hurt and angry and they sometimes lash out because of it. Eventually you settle down and realize that no one meant you harm, but in that recovery period many people are super vocal because they want to see their friends and family escape something they feel is harmful, or they want their communities back, or they'd like people to not say they're going to hell all the dang time, or something of that nature. Atheists who aren't ex-religious generally aren't hostile.
@weavehole3 жыл бұрын
Don’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. Then you can say what you like about him as you’ll be a mile away. And you’ve got his shoes!!
@FakingANerve3 жыл бұрын
😆🍻 I love it!
@RickReasonnz3 жыл бұрын
Ba-dum-TCH!
@sexagesimalian3 жыл бұрын
And you'll have his shoes... ... but really, don't wear other people's shoes. It's bad for your feet and posture.
@Amphibax3 жыл бұрын
If his feet are a different size you'd probably have really bad time
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@TheDhammaHub3 жыл бұрын
As we say in Germany: "Das Werk ist größer als der Künstler" or "The artwork is bigger than the artist". A lot of things change over time; sometimes intentional, sometimes unintentional.
@latonyasingleton243 жыл бұрын
Genüng...
@trashaimgamer78223 жыл бұрын
@@latonyasingleton24 Gewhat?
@latonyasingleton243 жыл бұрын
@@trashaimgamer7822 nüng.
@dbdist13 жыл бұрын
I thought you had a word that means "an artwork that is bigger than the artist".
@carlosbanderas42383 жыл бұрын
Ehrlich gesagt. Höre ich zum ersten Mal.
@Borishal3 жыл бұрын
As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I was always asking these basic questions, but the answers were never anything other than very superficial. Identify, free will, resurrection, consciousness - very few people around me seemed interested. Eventually I realised that it was totally rubbish and extricated myself. But it does appear that the vast majority of humans don't like challenging dogma, religious, political or cultural. So thinking is not popular.
@glenngordon23522 жыл бұрын
God is supposed to be all powerful. All knowing, knows the future etc. God creates the first two humans. They sin and it's been downhill ever since. The Bible states that God became angry and called out to Adam who was hiding. Why was God angry? Didn't God know all this would happen? Apparently not. Adam playing hide and seek with God? A ridiculous story to say the least. Then God goes on to form armies to rape and plunder city after city. All that business of free will doesn't jive with the fact that the Christian God is supposed to know the future so God should've known that his plan was a bust from the start. I believe in a creator. Not sure who or what it is but it's not the God of the Bible. My opinion.
@arlittleredfox7671 Жыл бұрын
Ditto. Welcome to your freedom.
@Borishal Жыл бұрын
@@cewla3348 Various ways. Wrote to JW headquarters, spoke to local elders, discussed with JW friends. Read JW literature. If you have any experience with the organisation yourself, you will know the kind of answers one gets. The JW headquarters used to refer most queries to local elders to answer. Direct questions to local elders gave two types of response depending on whether they were party-line people or more flexible. Friends ditto. In fact, I was regarded as a good source of info on scriptural matters by many in my own congregations. Until I left.
@cathleenc69432 жыл бұрын
My best friend was raised as a Hasidic Jew, and as such his first language is Hebrew. We were talking once and I was curious if what he was taught was translated into english the same as the Old Testament in the Bible. We compared my version of the 23rd Psalm to his, and there was only one difference, the last word, forever. His version ended with "and I will dwell in the house of the Lord." My version added "forever", which highly suggests the difference between viewing this as a promise of a wonderful afterlife and viewing it as a promise of having abundance or peace during actual life.
@AvaFayIliza3 жыл бұрын
I'm just imagining Jesus running in, flipping tables, and yelling: "LeeRooyy Jenkins!!"
@vardiganxpl16983 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ!
@TippleCreations3 жыл бұрын
Jesus ruined alot of raids, so the romans banned him, but the admins undid it 3 days later, but Jesus just quit playing after that bullshit
@krthecarguy51503 жыл бұрын
@@TippleCreations tbh I would too, the romans were horrible server hosts. They stole from other hosts (like the Greek ones) and pretended they were all great but were just annoying.
@dude1243 жыл бұрын
@@TippleCreations mf saw how toxic the server was and chose to play the afterlife dlc area
@unknownx72523 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Rheologist3 жыл бұрын
Okay but that "Jesus take the wheel" joke at the start was both genius and hilarious
@againstsociety53083 жыл бұрын
Yesssss😂
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
Question Time: Can you prove Jesus Christ never existed? Many believe he existed and his existence was recorded in history. Nov. 16, 2020 A.D. - Today
@kellydalstok89003 жыл бұрын
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Jesus only exists in the new testament. The extra biblical mentions are forgeries. Apart from that, no one knows who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and the writings of Paul apparently don't all have the same writer. None of them were eyewitnesses. Paul only had a vision of Jesus. Check out Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald.
@christinafidance3403 жыл бұрын
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 NOVEMBER 16th??? I’m confused.
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
@@christinafidance340 Oops my bad, I got the Christmas spirit early.
@HawksFang3 жыл бұрын
A Christian who grew up on Ken Ham, loving listening to your engaging, and truth-seeking content. You do what so many cannot, and that is to be honest and question things, without attacking people or groups. Love the content, I hope to see more of it for many years to come!
@fairlightexcalibur6882 Жыл бұрын
I suppose, but at the same time he completely misses the whole point about what spirituality and religion is all about. It isn't about beliefs, dogma, tradition, or anything that we so cling to in the modern world. Rather, it is realizing the divine nature that dwells within our hearts and minds. So that when we die, we are not afraid of the psychic collapse of the unconscious mind and able to live with the word of God. Pure consciousness. This is expressed directly in Hinduism, Buddhism, and in a more symbolic way in Christianity and Islam. In fact, all religions share this truth. In other words, Genetically Modified Skeptic is just another evangelical who got upset at the fact their denomination has no actual substance to it.
@K0ZNIK Жыл бұрын
@@fairlightexcalibur6882 huh?
@machetenikki Жыл бұрын
Beciase not all pf us have the patience. Inwosh I could be like this man. But my brian short circuits due to the abuse of the church. I wish we could all be this calm. But it's impossible for me. I have zero tolerance for Christian b.s it's not my fault it's Christians fault themselves. Horrible abusive monsters
@johnpapadopoulos55843 жыл бұрын
The latest vids seem to have a bit more humor in them and I love it!
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
People really liked the memes in the last one so I decided to keep that going. I’m glad you liked it!
@scoliosys83113 жыл бұрын
I dig it too. Been studying for hours and need some relief.
@psuedo_levi3 жыл бұрын
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic thank you for your hard work, your videos brighten up my day 🥺❤️❤️❤️
@FakingANerve3 жыл бұрын
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic It's 2020. We all need more lightheartedness and humor! Thanks, Drew. 🍻
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@isaacs.93833 жыл бұрын
I’m a Christian studying Biblical Literature in University and I so appreciate your views brother, I think one of the biggest failures of modern Christian thought is the lack of engagement with the outside world to learn the views of others which Early Church did very often. Love you man
@penboyasgod61033 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to be a comedian?
@abdimojo87943 жыл бұрын
@@penboyasgod6103 I had to read it twice. This man would be flayed.
@roguepsykerhaaker48133 жыл бұрын
@@abdimojo8794 that's going a bit far mate. Well actually that's going really far
@roguepsykerhaaker48133 жыл бұрын
that's really cool of you, speaking as someone who really loves to talk to people who disagree with me it's nice to see someone else of the same persuasion
@jaya10003 жыл бұрын
I think its their marriage with politicians in attempt to create a christo fascist nation thats driving people out of church. The LGBT bigotry was more than enough for me.
@lottolearn66583 жыл бұрын
Didn't learn this much way back when I was a Christian. As an agnostic myself, I love studying all perspectives about theologies and atheism. Funny to think that I learned much, much more about the bible and other religions when I undergo deconstruction. Thanks for making these kind of vids with full transparency and without manipulation or shades about the other side. ❤️
@rhysqqq3 жыл бұрын
You weren't manipulated but you were fooled. Why do you think these "Christians" were so opposed by the rest of Christians? It's because they aren't on equal footing. One is biblical, the other is heretical. Check out Mike Winger and learn what Christianity is. Even if you went to church before, you didn't learn from that church, probably they were a lost flock from the sounds of it.
@OscarEqualsLove3 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorites in the Jesus stories is how his followers admit they didn’t recognize him when he “resurrected”. Even in my 10 year old mind I was like hmmm maybe they don’t recognize him bc it’s some other person pretending to be him. He had to convince his disciples it was really him by showing his wounds and that was good enough for them. He didn’t look like he used to but he does have wounds on his hands and feet so it must be him… just so weird they left that in there. Makes them sound like complete idiots
@benjalucian15153 жыл бұрын
Excellent point. Pretenders were a thing back then as well. Even someone as famous and supposedly well known by sight emperor Nero had pretenders show up years later pretending to be him. In a culture with no photographic technology, people rarely had themselves depicted on mediums. especially not the poor people. Even Judas had to identify Jesus with a kiss because despite his so-called popularity, the soldiers didn't know who Jesus was on sight.
@ussinussinongawd5163 жыл бұрын
@@benjalucian1515 yo conspiracTEA TIME¿?
@johnkerr11132 жыл бұрын
well spotted even for a 10 year old!.. hahah
@Iacca2 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point. I hadn't thought about that.
@loturzelrestaurant2 жыл бұрын
@@Iacca Know Prophet of Zod?
@eugenecoleman85253 жыл бұрын
@Genetically modified skeptic I thought you might be interested to hear this feedback. My brother is a devout Methodist, and as an electric and computer engineering post doctorate researcher he's good at researching things like this. He has done a lot of study in to the early christian church. I say all this so you can get an idea of the type of person he is. Anyway the point is I showed this video to him to get his opinion. He said he really enjoyed the video, and that he thought you did a great job of just laying out the the fact in an objective and unbiased way, covering most of the important points. I told him afterwards that you are an atheist for transparency sake and he said he's interested to check out more of your content. Just thought you might like to hear the feedback. Keep up the great content.
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
How cool! I hope he enjoys the other videos he checks out. 😊
@J_A_M_D3 жыл бұрын
I'm really digging these early Christian history/ perspectives videos
@E3WEINER3 жыл бұрын
When I was 8 I was told by another 3rd grader that I was going to go to hell because I wasn’t baptized. It was a little traumatizing. Looking back, she was definitely repeating what her parents said. Idk if she believes that now.
@elijahtrent213 жыл бұрын
Remember the thief on the cross wasn’t baptized.
@FakingANerve3 жыл бұрын
@@elijahtrent21 exactly! He was the best whistler in "Always Look On the Bright Side of Life."
@LittleMissLion3 жыл бұрын
Was this friend Mormon?
@kathryngeeslin95093 жыл бұрын
When I was 10 or 11 my best friend told me we couldn't be friends anymore because it hurt too much to know a close friend was going to Hell. She was Church of Christ (the one with no instruments in church, no swimming in public pools), while I attended Baptist, and I understood as I had long recognized her pain in her father's not belonging to her Church. This was 60 years ago, but there's still a lot of this kind of pain going on, inflicted on children and adults alike.
@E3WEINER3 жыл бұрын
@@LittleMissLion I honestly don’t remember. I don’t think so because a year later I became really good friends with another girl who was Mormon. Granted that doesn’t mean anything. I think at times my friend tried to convert me to Mormonism (she gave me the Book of Mormon as a gift, I went to church with her family plenty of times) but I was too oblivious to it. With a Jewish dad and a Catholic mom I was so used to observing different religions without actually being a part of them. I just saw going to church with them as a reason to stay over an extra night lol.
@asherong9093 жыл бұрын
I am Christian but open-minded. I like this channel because it approaches topics like this like without feelings and doesn’t come out rude or stuff like that that I don’t think all people in general can do. Keep up the good work!
@mikezeestraten70003 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone young and interesting an old guy can listen to.
@sonja41643 жыл бұрын
LOL I feel ya on that
@pattyclifton79053 жыл бұрын
An old GIRL, as well! I'm 68. I just wish he'd slow down a bit, so I'd have a little more time to process what he's saying..lol
@mikezeestraten70003 жыл бұрын
@@pattyclifton7905 FYI. Do you use pause,(space bar), reverse(arrow left), forward (arrow right)? Tapping the arrow forward or arrow back changes the video at 5 second clips. You can use the pause (space bar) in combination with back or forward keys too.
@pattyclifton79053 жыл бұрын
@@mikezeestraten7000 No, I did not know that. Thank you so much for that info!☺️
@Carl_Frank3 жыл бұрын
@@mikezeestraten7000 Also, if you click the gear icon (found in the bottom right corner of the playback window when you move your cursor over it), you will get the option to adjust the playback speed, making him slower (and drunk-sounding).
@Greenicegod3 жыл бұрын
I love the theology of the Marcionites! Basically accepting all the weird shit from the old testament, but inventing a new god to oppose it. Truly a stroke of genius. It has the ring of a fantasy novel like Mistborn or The Black Prism. Even Lord of the Rings, if you think of Sauron as a god...
@dom119492 жыл бұрын
or joseph smith
@daistoke13142 жыл бұрын
A lot of early Christians found the OT really weird, and found it hard to see it as being at all related to Christ. I think Sauron would regard the OT God as being a bit over the top.
@silvertail71312 жыл бұрын
I just find it odd that, for a dead sect which was berated by those whose ideas became the orthodox, a lot of their ideas remind me a of modern christianity. Feels like they rubbed off on those who remained a little bit
@ilmt2 жыл бұрын
It sounds way more logical than the version today. I wonder if I would end up being a Christian if this version prevailed - as one of my main problems was the contrast between the god of old testament killing nations, having favourites, testing his followers, allowing or even promoting slavery, etc. while we were told that it is the perfect father, the endless, merciful love.
@daistoke13142 жыл бұрын
@@ilmt a few years back I got into early church history, more from a historical than theological aspect. I was surprised to find how irrelevant the OT was in the early church. One writer pointed out that for most of history the majority of the Christians (and everyone else) were illiterate. Apart from church professionals people received their teaching verbally and it is highly probable that most of the teaching at first was purely about Christ and salvation. The church when it became bigger and more powerful had to start setting up structures for church management and many of the epistles are about how to run a church as well as "theology". Once you have a church you need rules, so rules became as, or more, important than theology. The church cherry picked bits of the OT that suited them and ignored the bits (like the laws about diet and clothing) that were inconvenient. Even today a lot of preachers can quote the few verses in the OT about homosexuality, and have never read verses in the same book about mixing fibres in clothing. (Anyone ever heard a sermon about not wearing polycotton shirts? Lol). For the first few hundred years it is highly likely that Christian theology consisted of "Christ saves us so love God, and your neighbour. ". Remember Christ's words (or what we have recorded as his words) should be sufficient for salvation, if such a thing exists, because that's all most Christians had for hundreds of years.
@shoesncheese3 жыл бұрын
That ending on empathy is exactly what we need today. We aren't tribes and "others" we are just people who were born in a specific place and time. The thought you should always have is "if circumstances were different, that could be me" and use that to understand or try to understand. Even if you cannot figure out how someone ended up believing what they believe, at least you can know that you are not better (or worse) than them. You are just a person, same as them.
@sarahcousins42583 жыл бұрын
Love this comment
@outlawJosieFox3 жыл бұрын
Well said. The other thing we need to realise is that no human being survived alone. Rugged individualism did not build America - cooperative endeavour is at least as crucial as competition.
@anhedonianepiphany55883 жыл бұрын
@@outlawJosieFox Why use the building of America as your example?!? Until you lose your Americocentrism you'll be ignoring all but a miniscule amount of human cooperation. It seems that the forest is obscuring your view of the trees.
@bidentrump11793 жыл бұрын
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 because people use what they're familiar with when giving examples or just talking in general. Maybe you shouldn't bash every American for being an American. Aka, take your own advice.
@mcarrowtime70953 жыл бұрын
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 according to your rules, he can’t use any examples. If he had used the unification of Britain, it would be anglocentrism, if he had used the Roman expansion, it would have been latincentrism, etc.
@ephramwalton3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in church. I wish I had realized early on that what I was taught is just one concept that started with an ancient group of people and grew over time. For me, Christian supernatural beliefs are no more real then any other ancient mythology/beliefs and should be looked at that way.
@christianmarx32493 жыл бұрын
i realized 4 months ago ...im 27 years old
@paganphil1003 жыл бұрын
@@christianmarx3249 : Better late than never :-)
@cdogthehedgehog69233 жыл бұрын
@@christianmarx3249 The brainwashing can be pretty thorough. The fact you pulled out of it at all speaks of your rational fortitude.
@tacitozetticci93083 жыл бұрын
@@christianmarx3249 How are you doing now?
@christianmarx32493 жыл бұрын
@@tacitozetticci9308 thx for asking. I leaved my church and because of this i lost all my "friends". But im happy today. because im just become friends with people how accept me how i am, not what i am.
@MusicAndDogs3 жыл бұрын
You shouldn’t have to dread your comment section, Drew. This is an important conversation and your videos are great. Thank you.
@newbiegaming60903 жыл бұрын
It's a collateral effect from dealing too much with internet's bullshit. People get scarred.
@newbiegaming60903 жыл бұрын
@RDE Lutherie They don't "have to dread" anything. People should learn to not be awful.
@barbararipani13313 жыл бұрын
So true. I am so glad you said that.
@biggripper97953 жыл бұрын
@@newbiegaming6090 learn to not be awful? That is a fairy tale utopia.
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@corwin323 жыл бұрын
I think my favorite Jesus question is from Prophet of Zod: “Did Jesus get hangry?”
@ProjectEchoshadow3 жыл бұрын
He did, have you forgotten the Fig Tree?
@zemoxian3 жыл бұрын
@@ProjectEchoshadow That poor tree.
@gordonsirek90013 жыл бұрын
I've asked if Jesus had a perfect human male body did he get erections.?
@alexanderx333 жыл бұрын
@@gordonsirek9001 Assuming Jesus never choked the chicken, he must have occasionally woken up sheets wetted with his holy seed. And this (passes the unfiltered rice wine) is my man yogurt.
@gordonsirek90013 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderx33 Could you imagine the lucky virgin, male or female, who got to swallow that?
@LearnAboutFlow3 жыл бұрын
Christmas is coming up. You know Christmas, it's the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Just ignore the fact the Bible says Jesus was born in the spring, and December 25th was one of the more popular pagan holidays.
@alexmorgan21483 жыл бұрын
I love this guy 😂🤣
@davinci42993 жыл бұрын
We dont talk about that, just enjoy the holiday
@alexmorgan21483 жыл бұрын
@@davinci4299 enjoy it all you want, it's all based on a lie propagated by the catholic church to take away from a holiday that had nothing to do with their deity
@E3WEINER3 жыл бұрын
My dad is Jewish and he loves Christmas. For him, and all of us kids, it’s not about the religious aspect but about spreading cheer and goodwill and spending time with the family. We even go caroling.
@LearnAboutFlow3 жыл бұрын
@@E3WEINER What does that have to do with what I posted? You do realize the purpose of this channel, right?
@petersilktube2 жыл бұрын
I was somewhat driven away from skepticism - not as a methodology or set of beliefs about the world, but as a movement - in the last decade just because I found elements of it to be cruel, mean-spirited, not as devoted to critical thinking as they might claim, and more interested in feeling intellectually superior than actually conveying ideas. So I have to admit it was with some reluctance that I decided to click on one of your videos when it came into my feed. I'm glad that I did, because since starting to watch them, I have found your style to be calm, reasoned, informative but also very human, empathetic, and just what I would consider a good example for people wanting to approach these topics in a less immediately confrontational way. Good work.
@BionicDance3 жыл бұрын
Thing is...we're living in a material world, and I am a material girl.
@benjaminmarks87653 жыл бұрын
You know it!
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@BionicDance3 жыл бұрын
@@bobgapper2234 So... _not_ A Madonna fan, then?
@gelbadayah.sneach5793 жыл бұрын
Some gods bless me Some gods damn me I think they're not real If they don't give me evidence then I see no appeal And scriptural quotes don't do it for me. Every religion has scriptures to quote and I have yet to see one presenting evidence for itself that is not equally effective at proving the others. For example, I've seen the Kalam Cosmological Argument used as evidence for Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and multiple 'pagan' religions. Likewise, "Just look at creation in all it's majesty! How can you look at that and say there is/are no god/gods?" is a phrase that could be said by anyone proposing any deity. My question to anyone trying to convert me is "Show me something to prove the truth of your claims that no other religion can. I'm honestly listening!"
@bobgapper22343 жыл бұрын
@Black lodge Who cares what you have to say.
@joegillian3143 жыл бұрын
I always have to laugh when ancient theology makes more sense than modern theology.
@onijester563 жыл бұрын
It's specifically because 'ancient theology', and really ancient philosophic sects, held the discourse and dialogue that today is taken for granted. Zeus was literally famous for fucking damn near everyone and everything, with his wife Hera being a vindictive jealous wife who would punish everyone and everything Zeus slept with. And with most of Jesus' ministry taking place during the Roman occupation of what we recognize as "the Middle-East", this meant most of his converts were finally happy to have a god that wasn't bipolar...but they couldn't presume Yahweh being an "omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent" divinity solely on the basis of his being a god. They had to explain why Yahweh/Jesus was different from Zeus and Poseidon and Hades and all those other selfish ass-hats...etc.
@joegillian3143 жыл бұрын
@@Lerian_V Thanks for the suggestion.
@Lerian_V3 жыл бұрын
@@joegillian314 You're welcome. I hope you find it enlightening like I did.
@Limemill3 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how Yahweh is actually more bipolar than any of the Greek or Norse gods who are more or less consistent are mostly just superpowered humans. Whereas Yahweh is like a bipolar, manipulative, narcissistic parent drunk on power who craftily and with a lot of sadism engrains learned helplessness and the Stockholm syndrome in his “children”
@leeroberts48503 жыл бұрын
@@onijester56 I'm sorry but have you read the Bible the Yahweh Jesus deity is no less a selfish a****** then Zeus Poseidon and Hades the dude literally killed job's wife children slaves which he approved of people having and livestock in order to win a bet against the devil but didn't understand how gambling worked so God was the one who caused Joe's life to suck so that job would lose his faith what she did and then after job lost his faith causing God to lose the BET God cheated opens the sky and presented evidence of his existence argued a point that one of Joe's friends made and then called all of his friends assholes including the one who said God just does stuff and you can't understand why . We do know why God claims the reason job lost all his s*** is because of an infallible reason that nobody could comprehend and yet we read the beginning of the story so we know it was because of a bet that's not a hard thing to understand The book of Job itself is timeless which is distinct from all the other books in the Old testament in that it could literally take place anytime or anywhere there are no specifics to pinpoint it to a geographic place or a point in history. Some scholars have argued that the book of Job is actually a critique of theology in general being disguised as a pro theism story
@johnkay13913 жыл бұрын
Dude, your video's are amazing! I'm an ex-Mormon, yeah glad I'm out of that cult. Your insights and experiences have helped give me solidarity and hope and this video is, brilliantly interesting. You are always so balanced and kind and empathetic (I realise these videos are a snapshot of who and what you are but still...) more people like you in the world would do a lot of good, I am still working through some of my deconstruction issues and finding myself, so sometimes can be quite angry or hateful but it's a journey, anyway I'm rambling, THANK YOU!!!
@arlittleredfox7671 Жыл бұрын
Me? JW. I'm out, too. Welcome to your freedom.
@brandonkennedy4160 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the best part of the rest of your life! Lol. So proud of anyone who can get out of that cold!
@misterkite3 жыл бұрын
Here's one from me: was there a run on Jesus's furniture after he started doing sermons? Surely that'd be a hot commodity.. not every day you can get a chair made by God. I bet it never wobbled and had a great patina.
@TX-RED223 жыл бұрын
The Eternal chair of the most Holy 😂😂
@admiralmu43533 жыл бұрын
@@TX-RED22 The unwashed holy clothes and the used holy bath water would sell for a lotta money.
@LordBLB3 жыл бұрын
I've actually had that conversation with my wife. My theory is, the actual "Holy Grail" was a chair or book case that Jesus made when he was a carpenter. XD Just for laughs of course. But the mental picture I get from it is hysterical to me.
@CainLatrani3 жыл бұрын
The lower lumbar support was divine.
@MarianaBossRamirez3 жыл бұрын
@@CainLatrani 😂😂😂
@spkernal3 жыл бұрын
When christians ask me " Don't you want to go to heaven?" I say " No, I won't know anybody."
@digitalbookworm56783 жыл бұрын
@@Laredef54 Ah... ...to go to heaven and be completely surrounded by... ... Jehovah's Witnesses 😵
@digitalbookworm56783 жыл бұрын
"Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company." Mark Twain
@digitalbookworm56783 жыл бұрын
@@Laredef54 whatever
@jmanpolo56113 жыл бұрын
@@Laredef54 the amount of pain and suffering that comes from the JW's is a huge turn off for me.. sorry
@lyndawilliams84343 жыл бұрын
@@Laredef54 How about the 'believe or we will turn on you and throw you out, and never speak to you again, even if you are family?' Pretty threatening dontcha think? Do this or else? Anything that breaks up families over belief has got to be evil.
@kimathy43413 жыл бұрын
I remember when someone first told me the way Revelations was about ancient politics and, even though I was agnostic at that point, having been raised Christian, I had such a negative visceral reaction. I'm so glad I'm at a point where I can actually learn the history of the religion I was raised in. I'd love to see more videos of this kind!
@chelseav61843 жыл бұрын
Interesting information here; thank you for sharing. Even as a former Christian who studied Christian theology in school, I knew there had been a lot of disagreement on doctrine from the beginning, but I didn't know it was to this extent.
@soulofash21123 жыл бұрын
"Me, pagans, Darwin, Carl Sagan, the guys that invented Pokemon, we had a get together planned!" ded. Just straight ded.
@flarewolf3 жыл бұрын
The thing is I thought we weren't supposed to talk about it though because it's funny to see Christians threaten us with something we're looking forward to. EDIT: as I was typing my finger slipped and I accidentally hit post halfway through so I had to edit to finish typing it.
@soulofash21123 жыл бұрын
@@flarewolf Nah man, you're thinking Fight Club. SHIT. Just broke the first two rules.
@3ch1dna073 жыл бұрын
I planned on it being the only place I would be able to afford waterfront property.
@debbys-abqnm45373 жыл бұрын
I suspect a lot of folks who aren't guys would have enjoyed attending that get together as well.
@soulofash21123 жыл бұрын
@@debbys-abqnm4537 I suspect he was using "guys" in the extremely general, as in "alright guys, get in the car." You know, similar to "I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, cause we're all dudes."
@moonhuggyadventures3 жыл бұрын
Literally was getting so bored at the gym and then you come out of nowhere and save the day. From one Drew to another, thank you
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
I got you bro 👊
@moonhuggyadventures3 жыл бұрын
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic my mannnn 😎👊 as an ex Christian who's been on a long journey for truth, I've greatly enjoyed your videos these last years so thank you brudduh
@Kevin-cy2dr3 жыл бұрын
Bro do you even lift
@moonhuggyadventures3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-cy2dr Tacos, straight into my mouth every Friday Short answer: kinda sorta
@Nickodemo1st3 жыл бұрын
@@moonhuggyadventures I hope you went hard and THEN went home😂
@spookyshark6323 жыл бұрын
I'm actually shocked that the demiurge theory didn't win out over the perfect yahweh theory. It just makes so much more intuitive sense.
@markharc76153 жыл бұрын
Especially since Yahweh in the OT is a bloodlust, crazy, idiotic SOB.
@blairleighton33433 жыл бұрын
@@markharc7615 Well what do you expect from a bronze age war god ffs. ♧🍺
@shroomzed29473 жыл бұрын
I’m an atheist but I quite like the gnostic Christian sects.
@andrewprahst25293 жыл бұрын
The immediately intuitive answer isn't always the answer with the most going for it.
@andrewprahst25293 жыл бұрын
@Decem _ Lol I love your response. Where do you hang out online?
@KiraNightshade2 жыл бұрын
This was so cool! I'm agnostic now but grew up Catholic and remember learning about a little bit of this in Church History. Only the basics that early Christians disagreed on if Jesus was fully human or fully divine. We may have been given a little more info, but unfortunately I can see more that the natural bias of modern theological belief made it hard to comprehend the old beliefs and they did not dive into this depth. So this was very educational. Hope you do more of this kind of thing. :)
@4Mr.Crowley2 Жыл бұрын
Look at the extensive work of Augustine for just one example - early Christians argued fiercely about every aspect of the faith (still do honestly)
@josephturner40473 жыл бұрын
Imagine Joseph right, going back to work after the Christmas holiday and telling his mates on the building site the sprog looked nothing like him
@xano29213 жыл бұрын
Jesus wasn't born during Christmas tho
@user-ft7fq4ou4v3 жыл бұрын
@@xano2921 I mean, Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus, it's just that the roman church moved it to Winter so that it could be more similar to pagan religion to make it easier to convert them. Prior to that change, Christmas probably was when Jesus was born, and so Joseph would have been coming back from the first ever Christmas holiday, confused about why so many other men, and all those sheep, turned up to watch his virgin wife give birth. And he probably would have wondered why his kid didn't look anything like him, and maybe why the baby looked so... Sheepish...
@alexanderofrhodes96223 жыл бұрын
Marcianites: "My gods kid can beat up your god"
@themedia12713 жыл бұрын
@Eastern fence Lizard Yuh huh!
@Llortnerof3 жыл бұрын
@Eastern fence Lizard Can too!
@Llortnerof3 жыл бұрын
@Eastern fence Lizard You take that back, or i'll send my army of Jesus clones at you!
@Handsomeanthony683 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I appreciate your channel’s non-hostile and often educational look at Christian theology. I actually hadn’t considered these questions before, so it’s refreshing to have new things to consider! Thank you! Edit: coming back to this later, I wish I had paid attention to the comment notifications, and I also wish the commenters had a similar attitude to the guy in the video.
@serpentinewolf70853 жыл бұрын
Have you read the entire Holy Bible?
@Oxideist3 жыл бұрын
@@serpentinewolf7085 I have, and most of the ideas presented in Christian Gnosticism were new to me as of a few days ago. The current version of the bible post council doesn't really lend itself to these ideas because the proto-orthodox church wanted them gone. Can't blame people for not knowing something exists that was specifically wiped out so that they wouldn't learn it.
@healer2463 жыл бұрын
@@Oxideist how can you worship a God that glorifies slavery? Not trying to be offensive, just honest
@myronmason81703 жыл бұрын
@@healer246 God does not glorify slavery.
@healer2463 жыл бұрын
@@myronmason8170 have you read your Bible? Exodus gives instructions on how to own and treat slaves.
@adsta53 жыл бұрын
So interesting. Thank you. You know I think this is why so many theists attack science and try to paint it as a competing theology, because it is brutally honest, even about itself when it gets it wrong. Religion on the other hand can't tolerate being wrong because that casts doubt which weakens faith.
@m46413 жыл бұрын
As John MacArthur puts it regarding young 🌎 creation, "to question the Bible 6 day creation is a slippery slope." Paraphrased... It's akin to putting your head in the sand or plugging your ears to keep the sound from entering. Question everything but at the end of the we each have to respond to the questions, "was Jesus who he claimed to be and did he truly rise from the dead."
@choch722 жыл бұрын
The fact doubt is an essential part of faith shows you speak of what you do not understand.
@k74502 жыл бұрын
@@choch72 perhaps the original commenter should have said "uncomfortable doubt", just to really spell it out for those who don't understand what he's saying, like you.
@daistoke13142 жыл бұрын
@@m4641 best quote (probably apocryphal) about young earth v old earth. A very old Christian who had only been taught creationism had a new pastor, who explained that God actually created the universe over thousands and millions of years. The old feller thought about it and said. "I had a builder doing my roof who was like that, took ages to get the job done and still left some leaks". A pastor told me that when explaining why he never taught creation.
@MarkMetEenC3 жыл бұрын
Don't mind me, just commenting to appease the algorithm.
@AjSmit13 жыл бұрын
This is good.
@tonypollock99003 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm🤔
@WhiteCamry3 жыл бұрын
Gloria in excelsis Algoritmo.
@horrorAk3 жыл бұрын
Naise
@TallHorseVideos3 жыл бұрын
for the algorithm!
@rrbaggett73 жыл бұрын
You're an excellent communicator, Drew. I encourage you to stay the course; you are helping countless people. With gratitude, Rebecca
@cyansloth17633 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid I thought he was a mommy and daddy (kid speak) and that god abused him like my parents abused me and he was an internal character that would comfort me. Sad I know, but I thus have an emotional attachment to that hippie Jesus image. Sighs. Horrible humans. I freakin love learning history of religion though- thank you for sharing !
@AmbushTricks3 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a cool insight. Actually appreciate you sharing that.
@MatiasIsasmendi3 жыл бұрын
XD
@crypt51293 жыл бұрын
@@MatiasIsasmendi Bruh why are you laughing at domestic abuse
@MatiasIsasmendi3 жыл бұрын
@@crypt5129 because I am a bad person, cold and without feelings 😎
@crypt51293 жыл бұрын
@@MatiasIsasmendi Edge
@BrianGay573 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how I missed this when it first aired, but I also find church history and the evolution of religion fascinating. I am no longer a Christian but I still find it fascinating. The evolution from polytheism to monotheism shown in the OT is just fascinating. The story of Jericho is fascinating when one realizes that it was long in ruins before the OT story about it was written. It’s a story made up to explain the ruins that they had found. The story of Lot’s wife is one interesting explanation for the pillars of salt that can be found around the dead sea. Fascinating stuff for a history buff like myself.
@benjalucian15153 жыл бұрын
Indeed - much like Sodom. Sodom means "burned place". Obviously this was just a name given to some ruins that looked burned and locals made up a morality tale about what happened to the town and the people who lived there.
@darlalathan6143 Жыл бұрын
So, that's how those really happened!
@vjara94 Жыл бұрын
Then you might be interested in religion for breakfast if you don't know it already, it has great videos in early Christian church history and also about other religions
@bloopboop93208 ай бұрын
Jericho fell somewhere between 1600-1200 BCE right? Joshua claims to be somewhere between 1400-1200 BCE right? I'm confused as to how those don't overlap..
@BrianGay578 ай бұрын
@@bloopboop9320 I don’t have the exact dates in front of me, but there is no overlap. Jericho was one of the very earliest known cities. It was in ruins long before the book of Joshua was written. The best info I can find says that Jericho fell c. 1500 BCE or c. 1580 BCE. This was corroborated in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction level to the late 17th or 16th centuries BCE. It is not known when the Book of Joshua was written, but it cannot have been written before roughly 1200 BC, as the events described in the book occur then. I hope this helps.
@hoffmanshaven3 жыл бұрын
“Turn your hoodie into a turtleneck” I’M DYING!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@penboyasgod61033 жыл бұрын
Here's another: Circumcision is a "covenant" with "god." _Just WTF is "god" going to do with all that DEAD SKIN over the centuries? Remember, they don't like the use of stem cells!_
@Artemis_6663 жыл бұрын
The people whos hoodies turned into turtelnecks are too
@jacobglenn41523 жыл бұрын
"I like to picture Jesus as a ninja fighting evil samurai" - Texas Ranger Bobby
@KillerCammy853 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@Viking_Luchador3 жыл бұрын
"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band, and I'm in the front row, and I'm hammered drunk..." --Cal Naughton, Jr.
@bigbadspikey3 жыл бұрын
Ninjesus!
@jacobglenn41523 жыл бұрын
@@Viking_Luchador Cal Naughton, Jr. : There is something I want to get off my chest. It's about that summer, when you went away to community college. I got an offer to do Playgirl Magazine, and I did it. I did a full spread for Playgirl Magazine. I mean spread man, I pulled my butt apart and stuff. I was totally nude. it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
@Viking_Luchador3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobglenn4152 best part of that was apparently Ricky retained this information while he was "comatose" ☝🏻
@mysticheathen34553 жыл бұрын
This is why I like you. I may be Christian, but I love theology and philosophy discussions. You are truly an atheist and not an anti-theist. While I still hold firm to my beliefs, I still learn a lot from watching your videos. They aren't filled with anti theist hatred, so it's a breath of fresh air.
@METALMAGGOT7773 жыл бұрын
One can hate Christianity without hating Christians. I can find religion disgusting without berating my Christian family members. I have even capitalized the word "Christian" out of respect, and hold no animosity towards religious people in general. People believe all sorts of things, it's all about respect.
@METALMAGGOT7773 жыл бұрын
@James Bringle I have a relationship with them because they are good people. They all have their flaws, and some have hurt me. However, they have apologized and hold themselves accountable. There are evil people everywhere, and I condemn them all regardless of there religious predilections. Anybody who doesn't accept responsibility for their actions is not worthy of my respect, and my family has earned it.
@sneakysnake23303 жыл бұрын
@James Bringle Part of faith in christ is your actions. The act of praying means nothing in itself if one doesn't make a conscious effort to be better. Not "be perfect" but to really try and be better. Jesus tells also to forgive others as he forgives us.
@ace45483 жыл бұрын
In my oppion religion shouldn’t exists but Idc if they believe I just think that it makes people do stupid things
@mysticheathen34553 жыл бұрын
@@ace4548 I think stupid people use religion as an excuse. But they have to twist it first, in order to make it fit their agenda.
@CurlsOfCourtney3 жыл бұрын
Yo Bart Ehrman’s “misquoting jesus” book is also so bomb - had to read it in a class for grad school!!!
@Deris873 жыл бұрын
I've always thought Marcion's take on Christianity was a lot more coherent, and certainly more appealing from a story telling perspective. No bending over backwards and twisting yourself into knots to explain how a "loving" god would drown every baby and puppy on the planet, and order his followers to commit genocide but keep the virgins as war loot.
@zelenisok3 жыл бұрын
The mentioned Ebionites, along with some small Jewish pre-Jesus groups, seem to have accepted a different version of the Hebrew Bible, which didn't contain violent and oppressive commandments etc.. Some ancient sources mention such groups existing, noting that their version of the Hebrew Bible doesn't contain commandments of animal sacrifices. And also when we see how historical sources describe the ethics of the Essenes it's very different from the ethics present in the official version of the Hebrew Bible, but eerily similar to the ethics of Jesus and first Christians (no animal sacrifice and violence in general, no slavery and servitude, no oaths, some of them lived communally).
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@MultiBOZA3 жыл бұрын
But that's not exactly Marcion's idea, since we actually don't know what Marcion personally said or wrote. This politheistic version of Christianity is usually called Gnosticism, and there are some surviviny ancient texts that contain its teachings (such as the Gospel of Judas) but not a single one of them is by Marcion.
@Deris873 жыл бұрын
@@MultiBOZA I'm no expert on this topic, but my understanding from Ehrman was that Marcionites and Gnostics were similar but distinct sects. They both believed that Jesus was sent by a benevolent spiritual god, and that Yahweh was a lesser, malevolent being. They differed a fair bit in the specifics though.
@MultiBOZA3 жыл бұрын
@@Deris87 Gnostic teachings had been lost for almost many centuries, but their texts were rediscovered just a few years ago. However, the teachings of Marcion remain lost, so we don't even know what those "specifics" are.
@arielle27453 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis! I’ll be recommending this to a friend who keeps asking me questions about how the early Christians thought about “the divine.” It’s a difficult subject because so much documentation from those days has not survived. Your video gave insight and hints at just how different and diverse early Christianity was.
@TheAshric2 жыл бұрын
As a former devout catholic turned polytheist I love your videos and the thoughts that you inspire. Please keep up the work
@angelamurphy94722 жыл бұрын
“We had a get together plan, and now it’s all ruined!” I laughed out loud!!! Love your videos. Thanks ☺️
@irrelevant_noob11 ай бұрын
13:13
@aboutreligion92793 жыл бұрын
"If I were educated in their historical context [e.g. Marcionite, Ebionite or any other sect] I would probably find myself in agreement with them. This is an idea that I try to carry with me day to day. Disagreements are to be expected but if I do my best to empathize it is clear, that most people shaped by circumstance are doing their best to answer life’s big questions just as I am." - Sir, i take my hat off to you!
@steveswangler63733 жыл бұрын
@About Religion depends what you think "life's big questions" are. i have one big question when it comes to religion. since all babies are born as atheists, if they were never exposed to "god" or "religion" would they live as atheist or invent a god/gods and the ensuing religion?
@dreamgoat81803 жыл бұрын
@@steveswangler6373 I can kinda answer that. Raised 5 kids without religion. Anytime they questioned something we used science and logic to figure out an answer. If there was something we couldn't explain, not one of them created a supernatural source. Without understanding the science behind what seems mysterious, they might have, though.
@Lerian_V3 жыл бұрын
@@steveswangler6373 Religion is innate in human beings. Everyone is religious but worship different gods. Christianity claims to have the most accurate understanding of the one true god - 'God'.
@Lerian_V3 жыл бұрын
@@dreamgoat8180 Have they asked you where the laws/order of nature come from?
@dreamgoat81803 жыл бұрын
@@Lerian_V yes, but not, perhaps, in the way adults ask the same question. With my kids, it's as simple as, ,'is that how you want to be treated? How about someone you love?" When asked about the laws of nature, well, that's always scientifically proven, but we understand we don't have all the answers for every bit of the universe, and that's ok, because we may have a solvable mystery, or we have a mystery that begs to be solved. Not sure that's the answer you were looking for, and there have been mind stalling moments of childrens' depth of questions, we just never use supernatural answers as a possibility. No judgement on others, it's just that not every person/family needs it or finds it helpful. Thank you for asking a real question rather than some kind of accusation or insult or something. I love conversation, not arguing as much, lol.
@pohkeee3 жыл бұрын
I adore your tone and approach! In today’s sea of aggressive talk and animosity, you are a superbly calming balm.
@godsknite3 жыл бұрын
I've said it before, and still say it. You do a pretty good job on your homework. As a student of theology, I have heard all of these questions, but likely because I went through seminary, so I'm glad you've done a good job of bringing a reader's digest version for most people to be able to adequately understand. Thanks!
@bwanakelvin55553 жыл бұрын
This is by far one of your best work. Loved every bit of it!
@BradleyVanTreese3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel’s content. It’s thoughtfully crafted and really well presented. Please keep up the good work.
@thejudgmentalcat3 жыл бұрын
"...who didn't want to turn their hoodie into a turtleneck" I'm still giggling 🤣🤣
@patchso3 жыл бұрын
Linda Ciccoli: Only just got that one :-)
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
Question Time: Can you prove Jesus Christ never existed? Many believe he existed and his existence was recorded in history. Dec. 16, 2020 A.D. - Today
@boba43 жыл бұрын
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Can you prove unicorns don't exist? Or the little guy on the Lucky Charms box? Same deal, it's impossible to prove a negative. And I've seen these supposed "records" ripped to shreds by actual historians.
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
@@boba4 Prove a negative? 1-2=-1 Unicorns are considered myth and fantasy fiction by pretty much everyone that knows better (common knowledge). Unicorns could have existed once upon a time, but that time is non existent in this time, and there is no evidence that supports their existence, so unicorns don't exist. The lucky charms leprachaun, or Sir Charms is a fictional cartoon like character that's a mascot for cereal. Also that cereal is magically delicious (common knowledge).
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
@@boba4 So I answered your questions, can you answer mine or are you "lacking" the ability to do so?
@jmaniak13 жыл бұрын
Go to heaven for the climate, go to hell for the company. Mark Twain
@318intime33 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard
@iamthatiam46373 жыл бұрын
Mark twain was a free mason. They apparently had secret knowledged of the world and knew the truth in everything. Do any of them exist tho.
@draco_18763 жыл бұрын
@@318intime3 heaven is literally a prison to worship god
@318intime33 жыл бұрын
@@draco_1876 You don't understand what you're talking about. Clearly.
@draco_18763 жыл бұрын
@@318intime3 It is. You probably read your book not even knowing your god has a dad. Eternal happiness is just as bad as eternal pain
@Loki_Yogi2 жыл бұрын
The Indian account of Jesus and his travels are some of the most interesting stories I've ever heard. The one that's very believable to me, is the one that Jesus was enlightened from his years spent with a guru in his early years. It explains so much. 🙏
@theCommentDevil Жыл бұрын
Jesus was a Buddhist for sure
@Jarige2 Жыл бұрын
May I ask why you think it's so convincing?
@Uncle-Mike3 жыл бұрын
Like just now, when I questioned out loud: "Jesus Christ! Has Drew always been a redhead?!?"
@AMikeStein3 жыл бұрын
Drew’s a soulless ginger? No wonder he’s atheist!! :)
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
Just a trick of the lighting I’m afraid
@davinci42993 жыл бұрын
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Our god Drew would never be a ginger
@fukpoeslaw36133 жыл бұрын
@@davinci4299 Drew's a God?!?
@AMikeStein3 жыл бұрын
@@fukpoeslaw3613 See this is how it starts!! In 500 years people will look back on this time and claim Drew had supernatural powers and that everyone prayed to him as the one true KZbinr!
@techaushguy7863 жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. I learned a ton. I keep thinking your channel has covered everything and then you keep improving and bringing me back and peeking my interest all over again
@thomasjefferson76553 жыл бұрын
The humor really hits the spot... Keep up the great work
@konstantinoschristou37012 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all. May you be well.
@SirDigbyChickenCaesar3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for blowing my ears out with that "more you know" part.
@philipgardner51713 жыл бұрын
LOL when you posed the question about whether Jesus had a physical body, my first thought was “ah, the whole ‘did Jesus poop?’ Question” lol.
@philipgardner51713 жыл бұрын
@@nothanks6549 imagine baby Jesus being a fussy eater. “He’s the son of god, but he won’t eat his darned vegetables. All he keeps doing is taking 2 pieces of candy and making them multiply” Baby Jesus, I thought I had put water in your goblet. Where did this wine come from? Baby Jesus are you drunk? Don’t lie to me baby Jesus.
@pd41653 жыл бұрын
It's a great question to ask - why would a god not just stop the pissing...and if you don't need to piss why do you need to eat, you're a god and can make anything happen. And why do you need to start as a baby? And what about his 'lady pleaser'? I'm considering inviting JWs into the house to discuss these important ideas, for S&Gs.
@ericscaillet60873 жыл бұрын
@@philipgardner5171 with all this humor ,God's reality is shown...
@hullie75293 жыл бұрын
@@pd4165 Christian theology teaches that the incarnated Jesus was 100% human, so we can logically assume he did all those things although the Bible doesn't go into detail, but we know one of the points of being incarnate was to go through the same pain and hardships as humans do so that would include getting hungry and a fully functional body.
@justarshad83543 жыл бұрын
Yeah but christians will say "he humble himself on earth" I swear they are the most funny people among all the believers
@michellek503 жыл бұрын
I am a Buddhist. Thank you for your videos. This would be an interest topic in Buddhist Eastern religions
@bibaolaitan51893 жыл бұрын
I like your religion...
@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl3 жыл бұрын
biba olaitan No even buddhism has hell and heaven
@bibaolaitan51893 жыл бұрын
@@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl and so.. still better than Christianity and Islam
@bibaolaitan51893 жыл бұрын
@Paul Miller ikr..
@ritamganguly63463 жыл бұрын
@Paul Miller the problem is that even buddhism as a organized religion evolves into something bigoted and violent that harms minorities .like buddhists in myanmar amd sri lanka
@jeffwatkins3522 жыл бұрын
How anyone watching this calm, well-reasoned and well-supported video could be angry with you is beyond me. But then, as a fellow atheist with no dog in this race, I'm not subject to the same passions which might seize believers. In all events, very good work here! I've re-watched it several times, especially for the info about the Marcionite sect.
@patriciamcgeorge25753 жыл бұрын
I love this turn towards ancient Christian Philosophy. As an atheist who's been studying comparative Abrahamic belief and theology for a long time, I've always thought that everything outside of rabbinical Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Eastern Orthodox, Shi'a and Sunni is extremely underrated and understudied, especially this historic stuff. Please don't stop.
@peirithoosian3 жыл бұрын
Recommend reviewing relgions as glorified social codes. Fae less confusing that way.
@patriciamcgeorge25753 жыл бұрын
@@peirithoosian I'm more interested in the literary, mythological and historical/linguistic (philological) aspect of them in my studies, but there is a lot of overlap
@thatguywesmaranan3 жыл бұрын
* *glass shatters* * * *jesus strides into the temple and gives the pharisees stone cold stunners* *
@Cybernaut5513 жыл бұрын
Incredible, Jesus didn't even use his full power. He's that powerful. /s
@sitchreapotere10733 жыл бұрын
Omfg I spit my coffee imagining that image. Thank you.
@obscuredbythecloud11753 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and this is the first video I've watched of yours and I loved it! I appreciate your presentation, civil demeanor, and that you have clearly done plenty of research into these topics. I'm excited to binge your other videos soon. Thanks for the great content!
@therealdannymullen3 жыл бұрын
As a believer, I want to THANK YOU for your respectful discussion on this topic. That was really refreshing. ❤
@gentlemandemon3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, an evil god definitely squares with the story of Job lol
@Meshuga633 жыл бұрын
I’m of the strong opinion that Job was written as allegory, not intended to be accepted as literal. It opens in third person unlimited perspective, then switches to dialogue, the form is highly structured poetry in Hebrew, and it fits popular philosophical genre for the period, comparable to Plato’s “Republic” and others.
@gentlemandemon3 жыл бұрын
@@Meshuga63 I'm sure it's an allegory, too, but basing the story around torturing a dude and killing his family on a whim weakens the moral authority of the central deity in my book.
@Meshuga633 жыл бұрын
@@gentlemandemon or the entire point of the book is that bad things happen to good people all the time and there’s no reason why.
@gentlemandemon3 жыл бұрын
@@Meshuga63 yeah, I get that. I was mostly being glib. that being said, the book of job is inextricably tied to the rest of the old testament and tanakh, and he is personified and given moral agency throughout. The story of Prometheus is an allegory, too, and I'd still say Zeus comes off looking like an asshole. "Pray to me and love me even though I won't always protect and might sometimes act in needlessly vindictive ways" isn't a strong moral message to me.
@PA1606X3 жыл бұрын
@@Meshuga63 There was a reason though wasn't there, God had a fun bet with his mate Satan.
@pauldavid6013 жыл бұрын
'The More You Know' comedic moment blew out my left eardrum. Thanks.
@tylerhorton67473 жыл бұрын
But it was funny af though ear rape true too aswell lol
@nosuchthing83 жыл бұрын
I always imagined Jesus using superman level strength in flipping over those tables in the holy places
@benjalucian15153 жыл бұрын
He didn't get far. Ever see the scale of Herod's temple? It was *huge*
@jaapuitroepteke27503 жыл бұрын
Now i’m imaging jesus was just like the hulk, turning green and shit
@joshlewis5753 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why he didn't teleport off the cross. That'd be quite the spectacle that a bunch of non believers woulda seen
@nosuchthing83 жыл бұрын
@@jaapuitroepteke2750 That's a vivid image! But if he had superman level strength, he could flip each table with a pinky.
@mikelastname12203 жыл бұрын
What most people don't know is, the purpose of those money "lenders" in the Temple. It was a necessary evil. A visitor to the temple was supposed to make a money donation. So, visitors from other places who used different money, had to change their money into the local currency, I guess drachmas. It angered Jesus that the lenders were charging an exchange fee, just like banks do today. Most think he got angry because he was breaking up illegal gambling, etc. When, in fact, the money exchangers were legitimate in their business.
@3ggshe11s3 жыл бұрын
I've always found it fascinating how early Christians wrestled with such big theological questions, literally for centuries, and yet so many believers today seem to think their religion was handed down from on high from Day One, all doctrine and all books of the New Testament intact. I also appreciate your mature approach, and your empathy toward those with opposing beliefs. Both are in short supply on religious matters, and that goes for both sides of the debate.
@Jarige2 Жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian but I do not think the things you describe. I think the earlier the source is about Jesus or the closer it is to eye witnesses, the more accurate it's likely to be. And that's, I think, one of the major reasons why these sects didn't really gain traction. They're later embellishments and changes to the stories about Jesus that were circulating already and they weren't written by those who were deemed to be authoritative on these matters, namely Christians who have been taught by eye witnesses of Jesus. So it's actually quite obvious why these sects never gained much traction and why the Christianity we have today emerged instead. Theologians today are taught these things by the way, and sometimes they do share this information in churches. It's just that most theologians and Christians today fail to see how and why these sects are important. I'm one of the rare Christians who do indulge myself in these matters I guess, because I love learning about how Christianity came about, but I'm rare, and I guess rightly so. It's simply not that relevant what later sources say about Jesus when we have earlier sources that have more authority.
@davebrown65523 жыл бұрын
My Favourite; Who recorded his prayers in Gethsemane, according to the book everyone else was asleep.
@Rory-co4vm7 ай бұрын
Eh if the resurrection were true 40 days is plenty of time to tell people what you said.
@davebrown65527 ай бұрын
@@Rory-co4vm But no one mentioned that he sat down to give a self indulgent blow by blow account of "then I said" and" then this" and "oh then I though this". It kind of makes him seem a bit needy. And that is totally ignoring the fact that the crucified were never 'taken down and buried' Crucifixion was a message and the rotting corpse was to be left for as many as possible to see the message. (the same as the more modern gibbet or the severed heads on London bridge or spikes generally) why would the Romans allow someone they went to the effort of crucifying to be given the honor of a burial the rotted remains were thrown on the midden as a final 'you are nothing' conclusion.
@KasirRham3 жыл бұрын
I imagine Jesus storming into the money changer's office and destroying everything in a Hulk like rage. Complete with deadly super strength.
@ronaldlogan35253 жыл бұрын
could have used the jawbone of an ass for better effect
@edwardmiessner65023 жыл бұрын
The money changers were not just a few people either. Neither were the people who sold the sacrificial animals. Combined they occupied a building the size of a small shopping mall called iirc the Stola. That means he wouldn't have been crucified because he would overcome the soldiers with his strength. Another problem is how did the Romans crucify? You can't just nail someone to a flat cross, the nails would let go, and besides the Romans viewed the cross as a sign of victory because it was the frame of a tropaeum, from which we get the word trophy.
@FakingANerve3 жыл бұрын
"Turning all the water at a wedding party to wine sounds like a good time, but... it could also be interpreted as a cry for help..." 🤣🤣🤣 Nice! I got a damn fine laugh from that. Cheers! 🥂
@rayw33323 жыл бұрын
Jesus would be a fine fellow to invite to a big pool party.
@KiRAWRa2 жыл бұрын
Been a while since I binged your channel. Your script & editing has gotten funnier haha, enjoyed this one a lot! Very interesting history, you always break things down so comprehensibly.
@bodan11963 жыл бұрын
I Sweden we tend to say "Tror gör man i kyrkan!" when trying to figure out a situation. A direct translation is "Belive you do in church!", with the meaning "faith is something you have while in church!". Ie within the walls of a church, and not outside the those walls.
@learningisfun21083 жыл бұрын
“Like Yoda that phrase sounds!” I like it. I’ve seen many things that help me conclude that people only believe while within the church walls. Just try leaving the church parking lot after the service and you see how rude people drive! The phrase also means, “don’t take church too seriously “. Unfortunately, many do.
@murilo23303 жыл бұрын
is it true that Sweden has more than 50% non religions people there?
@Griexxt3 жыл бұрын
@@murilo2330 Difficult to say. We had a state church until 2000, which you pretty much defaulted into unless you made an active choice not to. A majority of Sweden's population are still members, but who can say how many of them actually believe what is preached? But visitor numbers to church services are dwindling. I can't find the numbers now, but I would say that a majority of people in Sweden would say that religion does not play a big part in their lives. This doesn't necessarily mean they are all non-believers though.
@bodan11963 жыл бұрын
@@murilo2330 We have a very relaxed view on religion yes. Today. Not always so. Christianity was present in Sweden by the 6th century and took over in the 11th. But then nine centuries later, in the 20th century, we seem to have come to our senses and "believe only while in church", during weddings and burials, but not so much in everyday life. It is a none issue for most swedes today. As is should be. Whether there is a god or not, is a question to contemplate when we are dead, not while we are living. ;-) But an interesting thing is that most people, are still paying a small tax to, what was before the state church. Mostly I think because we want the surprisingly many and quite beautiful churces there are in Sweden to be maintained. And it is nice to have a beautiful place to contemplate in, as people say "I do", or when we say goodbye to someone. Sweden have also not been at war, (as a country), since 1812, (I think it was) When we got our butt kicked, and some sense entered our minds, by a russian army at Poltava. So perhpas we can with some pride, claim that we have learned from some mistakes made. :-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Sweden
@eskybakzu7123 жыл бұрын
@@murilo2330 Yes, Sweden is one of the most secular nations in the world. Rarely do I encounter belief or religion in everyday-life. It is true
@ronwright68703 жыл бұрын
Really fantastic. It's encouraging to know so many people think about these things.
@christophertstone3 жыл бұрын
These videos about non-popular Christian theoligy are amazing. This, the Gospel of Judas, and other early teachings. Keep it up!
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@vejeke3 жыл бұрын
@@gonzalez990 There is a quote that reads... "When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or cease to be honest." For me that phrase took on a whole new dimension when I watched Jon McCray's videos dealing with the slavery in the Bible.
@wendychavez53483 жыл бұрын
This is the second video of his that I've watched, and I'm duly impressed by each.
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
Question Time: Can you prove Jesus Christ never existed? Many believe he existed and his existence was recorded in history. Nov. 16, 2020 A.D. - Today
@vejeke3 жыл бұрын
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Have you seen the meme "conventional logic vs religious logic"?
@epiphanydrums5427 Жыл бұрын
Your exacto-knife like precision of thought and analysis keeps your presentations fascinating and informative. Thanks again for having the courage to take on this task!👍
@tonygriffin_3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who told me that they loved me unconditionally but that if I didn't love them back they'd ensure I was tortured and burned (and not even once but over and over again for all eternity) would not, IMHO, be someone I'd classify as a "total pacifist". More "Psychotic Narcissist".
@Meshuga633 жыл бұрын
This is a fair point, but a mis characterization of the frame proposed by modern Christians. They propose Hell is not some exaggerated time out corner that a “loving” God imposed on His enemies, but a natural consequence He wants you to avoid, and went to extreme lengths and sacrifices to open a path for doing so. However, He refuses to force you to accept His intervention because of His respect for your free will. Remember, God in the Christian tradition is love personified. I can fully understand the confusion as Christians have projected certain personality traits and archetypes on God, such as “God the Father” or “God the Jealous, or “God the Avenger.” I won’t deny some, perhaps most Evangelicals support these strangely limiting archetypes. We have seen more bad fathers than good ones, though, and we condemn jealousy, and vengeance is logically inconsistent with Jesus’ teaching. I didn’t say Christianity as she is practiced is logically valid, or practiced by universally kind and thoughtful people. However, one of the scholarly concepts of Hell says the people consigned to it have made a conscious decision to reject God, not as He is imperfectly presented, but the entire concept of love.
@tonygriffin_3 жыл бұрын
@@Meshuga63 But why would a being capable of creating all the wonder of a majestic Universe want to make/have/keep a place for torturing people - and not just once but over and over for all eternity? Only an utterly insane psychopath would want to create and maintain such a place.
@Meshuga633 жыл бұрын
@@tonygriffin_ again, very fair question. Some Christians support a theological theory call “annihilationism,” which holds the soul is permanently destroyed in Hell as opposed to being tortured. Others say that God, as the personification of love and also of justice, gives every person ample opportunities to choose between love and selfishness, regardless of their upbringing. Still others insist a specific “sinner’s prayer” or other ritual must be completed, but the vast majority of Evangelical pastors would agree that it is ultimately up to God to know a person’s soul, and not for us to pass judgment on one another. Regardless of how you deal with who goes to Hell, the existence of it is easy to explain. Why would a loving God create such a terrible place? For the same reason a clean city has a designated city dump. You can’t maintain a loving community if you tolerate toxicity. Or, you can be a heretic and say something crazy, like heaven and hell were always meant to be metaphors for psychological states, and the book of Revelation was actually a coded political treatise meant for early Christians specifically.
@tonygriffin_3 жыл бұрын
@@Meshuga63 So humans who transgress the 10 commandments (which, luckily for priests, doesn't include child rape) are to be treated as refuse, to be thrown on a rotting heap. What a loving community does is recycle, not burn their rubbish to ashes, then reincarnate it so they can keep burning it forever. A loving god would not have a hell in the first place, simple as that. People need to read some books - not some Iron Age texts cobbled together in a 4th century collection that is full of contradictory statements right from the start ( Genesis 1:27 - 'So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.' and Genesis 2: 7 - 'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground...' and Genesis 2: 22 - And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman...'. Clearly not written/"inspired" by a god capable of making neutron stars and a 93 billion light year wide visible universe. More like by people who didn't know where the Sun went at night.
@Meshuga633 жыл бұрын
@@tonygriffin_ for the record, I agree with you. I think Genesis was written by people building a culture and trying to make sense out of the world, and why we exist, and why men and women are so different, and why there is so much suffering, and how to deal with it. I also think we read it in English with 21st century minds, and can barely comprehend the context and intent behind most of that text. That goes for atheists and Christians alike. I personally believe a great deal of the Bible is not literally true, and was never intended to be taken as literally true. There’s an astonishing amount of it that has been archaeologically verified & it’s incredible the document even exists, but as an instruction manual for ethically navigating modern life it is, to put it mildly, less than ideal. That said, I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss it entirely. The Western world, the one that identified slavery as an evil institution and was largely successful in abolishing it, was philosophically founded on Christian ethics. It’s well possible the entire reason we think of the God described in the Christian bible as monstrous and hateful is that we developed those old Iron Age ideas to their logical conclusions. That’s at least worth investigating.
@Microtonal_Cats3 жыл бұрын
All want to know is "Did Jesus have a cat?"
@ericscaillet60873 жыл бұрын
All the cats....
@fogweaver56333 жыл бұрын
As everyone knows, cats do not have owners, but slaves. Since it is pro forma evident that God cannot be a slave, Jesus cannot have had a cat. However, he could have had a dog. Perhaps this is why Mohammed put him down as just another Jewish prophet, since Mohammed did not lke dogs but had no problem with cats. To sum up ; Jesus was a dog person, Mohammed was a cat person, and never shall their followers get along.
@bob79753 жыл бұрын
He did! One of the side stories in the Bible is about him coming across a stray cat, rescuing her, then finding her a good home. What a guy!
@JP2GiannaT3 жыл бұрын
...I dunno. Domestic cats were a thing in Egypt, I don't know about Palestine/Israel. Domestic dogs were, so he might be had a pet dog, but i genuinely don't know about cats. Anyone know where to look that up?
@joeboxter36353 жыл бұрын
@@JP2GiannaT Yes cats as there is mention in biographies of that area that go back to 500BCE. But it does not seem to be a common practice to keep pet cats. Rather ferrel cats placed around barns to kill mice in check as mentioned in talmud. I doubt He had a pet cat.
@phineas74233 жыл бұрын
Idk about yall, but the phrase "go to hell" has basically lost all meaning to me.
@drewsharp91623 жыл бұрын
I embrace it. that’s where all the people worth hanging out with would be
@phineas74233 жыл бұрын
@@drewsharp9162 you aren't wrong
@reeseb40053 жыл бұрын
@@drewsharp9162 you don’t get to really kick back down there, just kinda, suffer
@MichaelAChristian13 жыл бұрын
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@phineas74233 жыл бұрын
@@reeseb4005 better to hang out with Darwin and Stephen Hawking in hell then hang out out in heaven with Mother Terrisa who forcibly baptized people before giving them treatment and that pope that liked to have sex with kids.
@ToxicSentinelTTV2 жыл бұрын
As an Ancient Egyptian pagan I do enjoy your content on a scholarly level
@ianteodorescu3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the amount of research you put in your videos!
@918ga3 жыл бұрын
From a Christian perspective, I must say that's a very good research you've done here. It was very interesting ! Thank you for the good challenges you're posing to the Christian faith. Keep on investigating ;)
@wolf10663 жыл бұрын
It's always refreshing to encounter Christians who come to an atheist channel and make positive comments like yours rather than telling us we all "hate god" and we've got to believe as you do. You're a rare breed - and much appreciated.
@riverogue133 жыл бұрын
How do you not doubt his faith after watching his videos? I am literally so confused and don’t know what to believe anymore
@archanamanoharan95353 жыл бұрын
@@riverogue13 Most Christians encounter a lot of arguments from others, so one video won't stop a belief.
@nevin86043 жыл бұрын
@@riverogue13 i don't think nothing created everything, Bible makes a ton of sense than that, so i dont think i will doubt christianity
@riverogue133 жыл бұрын
Nevin what about the virgin birth and other things like that? Idk I feel like they’re equally easy to believe. And atheists don’t argue that nothing created everything that’s a bit of a strawman
@teslobo3 жыл бұрын
These are all important questions about him and can't wait to see Keanu Reeves finally set the record straight about whether he has a body.
@filip31803 жыл бұрын
@@taranmellacheruvu2504 nah he clearly means the true jesus, you know the one with the giant dildo
@user-ellievator3 жыл бұрын
@@filip3180 For Twitch so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting sextoys. Charlie 3:16
@ultrainstinctgoku25093 жыл бұрын
Question Time: Can you prove Jesus Christ never existed? Many believe he existed and his existence was recorded in history. Dec. 16, 2020 A.D. - Today
@eldritchabomination03 жыл бұрын
Ay ma boi Keanu better than Jesus lol.
@shaunelliott85833 жыл бұрын
Teslobo, this is youtube, not 9gag
@lilith49613 жыл бұрын
cool channel I just subscribed. I grew up pentecostal christian in a catholic country, then became atheist and now Im one of those spiritual not religious people (flawed concept i know but consider it a place holder) I like the way you approached this questions with both skepticism but also curiosity and respect, I find that is the best approach to this kind of questions.
@mildredmartinez88433 жыл бұрын
Great video. You are one of my atheists. Love when you say "Be nice to each other." You are a sweet, and loving person. Keep growing.
@OrganisedChaosHere3 жыл бұрын
The comment about ruining the get-together we had planned got a cackle out of me.
@lizzieb53593 жыл бұрын
hi, i found you at the perfect time in my life. thank you!!! you help me explain to my family why i’ve turned from religion
@gonzalez9903 жыл бұрын
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@stephenvanwoert24473 жыл бұрын
In other words, you have given up being a child, and have become fully adult.
@guaranagaucho3071Ай бұрын
Took a night class one semester in college-historical biblical literature. Shout out to professor Brent Walters for teaching us so well. He’s got a huge library of historical writings.
@stephaniegeorge64443 жыл бұрын
Defo not mad at you. Recovering myself from the dogma of my childhood.
@dove60693 жыл бұрын
That's sad.
@caligula61903 жыл бұрын
The Historical Jesus told people the world was going to end, he's basically John the Baptist except drinks alcohol
@hareecionelson58753 жыл бұрын
I mean, he's not wrong, the world will end... in about 2-3 billion years when the Sun expands to consume the Earth, but complex life will have been dead for at least 1 billion years prior due to the oceans already boiling away.
@zacharyshort3843 жыл бұрын
@@hareecionelson5875 He was wrong considering he thought it would occur within the lifetime of the Apostles and thought the End Times would be the result of Yahweh's direct intervention. Saying he's not wrong because the World will end eventually is like when Peter from Family Guy talked about a psychic predicting a friend's death and then BAM 40 years later that friend died of cancer.
@2ezee20113 жыл бұрын
@Stevo Devo Back when I was a Christian minister my favorite joke as a Southern Baptist. Why do Baptist NOT have sex standing up? Someone might see them and think they are dancing! I was easily amused.
@bethbartlett56923 жыл бұрын
The Historical Jesus, or the Roman Jesus written by John?
@caligula61903 жыл бұрын
@@hareecionelson5875 maybe he is a prophet after all hmm
@tristanandrews43663 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and how much time, effort, and research you put into them!
@FastNCurious883 жыл бұрын
Man you make this all sooooo much more relatable like I love Jesus even more because of how you explain these things :’) so much fun