The Hidden Agenda Of Google's Manifest V3 Update

In this video I discuss how manifestv3 will cripple adblocking capabilities of extensions like ublock origin and no script, and how manifest v3 provides no real security benefits over manifest v2.
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[@panqueque445]

"Some malicious users were releasing extensions to steal people's personal information, and we're the only ones allowed to do that" - Google

[@mar1o981]

"Some malicious users were releasing extensions to steal people's personal information, and we're the only ones allowed to do that" - Google

[@skeptica]

"Some malicious users were releasing extensions to steal people's personal information, and we're the only ones allowed to do that" - Google

[@inparis5724]

reddit

[@user-vg5zx4lx8m]

@@inparis5724 4chan

[@mar1o981]

​@@inparis5724 reddit

[@kimgkomg]

Imagine users being able to decide what they do with their hardware

[@gregtasi]

Haha lol

[@lord_khufu]

This is right on the money with apple devices

[@andreamitchell4758]

remember when browser updates were optional and manual

[@TheGhostFart]

@@andreamitchell4758 yeah vivaldi still does that, you can choose to enable auto downloads of your own accord

[@SteveMacSticky]

you don't need to imagine. it's already been here for thirty years. GNU Linux, Foss.

[@stephanyo2348]

Can’t wait for YT to upgrade to three minute-long unskippaple ads and for Google searches to have full popups for them too

[@mrepicairfryerenthusiast4982]

tf you using google search for?

[@Hirpeeda]

Hell yeah. Full Comcast mode

[@ashishpatel350]

dont think they will do that. google likes their ads non intrusive.

[@Kurogane1990]

plz no

[@ffwast]

At that point I'd outright stop using it.

[@mrfoodarama]

If they limit or disable Ublock's functionality, I will no longer use chrome for anything. Enough is enough

[@jerycaryy4342]

You should already not be using chrome. Unless you’re referring to a chromium based browser.

[@MutleeIsTheAntiGod]

Jump to Firefox, less resource intensive and better all around

[@jerycaryy4342]

@@MutleeIsTheAntiGod Been having bad luck with FF over the past few months and it’s garbage performance made me jump ship to Brave. Was surprised to see how well it resisted fingerprinting and it has a pretty extensive Adblock. Haven’t had any trouble with it.

[@mrfoodarama]

I do already use Firefox, but have kept Chrome around for certain things including work. This would compel me to finally eliminate it and transfer those things to (possibly Firefox, not sure)

[@solonyetski]

The fact that you keep using Chrome is already comical

[@zinjanthropus322]

Google is hell-bent on owning the web.

[@bitterlemonboy]

I wouldn't be surprised if in 2030 %99.89 of web traffic would just be ads.

[@andreamitchell4758]

SWEJ are hell bent on owning the web FTFY

[@smugmode]

@@andreamitchell4758 ah yes, the

[@washboardman7435]

You will live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.

[@LarsLarsen77]

They don't just want to own the web. They also want you dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

Even though Mozilla shoots themselves in the foot every now and again, I feel like Firefox is the least of evils while still being a fully functional browser. I'm just gonna stick with LibreWolf.

[@sickmind33]

I want to switch to LW full time, but the tab sharing in FF is something I can't give up

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

Isn't hardened Firefox good enough? I have a hardened Firefox so what benefits would I gain were I to switch to LibreWolf (I also want to support the OG Firefox to maintain their userbase).

[@MrBenMcLean]

> "I feel like Firefox is the least of evils " No it isn't. Google directly funds FireFox development. Mozilla is Google's puppet. FireFox absolutely does not represent any genuine diversity in web browsers.

[@poiu477]

I actually use Edge as it seems to be the least memory hogging out of the bunch. I used FireDragon for awhile which is my Linux distros fork of Librewolf and found it sluggish and a memory hog

[@whatwaq]

Brave

[@AesculapiusPiranha]

Google early 2000s: Don't be Evil Google 2021: Fuck everything and accumulate ad revenue

[@RobotronSage]

P.O BOX 666 Seems like someone is begging to be investigated.

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

Google now: Be Evil

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

they did change the motto when the founders left in 2015

[@epursimuove1633]

Googles original motto really was don’t be overtly evil.

[@misterdeedeedee]

"we removed dislikes to help small channels" "we removed ad blocking to protect user data"

[@WTfire10]

I mean they don't even believe that themselves

[@lovelydolltime8006]

2002: Google - "Don't be evil". 2022: Google - "Be evil".

[@dermond]

The only reason I use Firefox it's because it's not chromium

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

Imagine developing your own engine to eventually scrap it for chromium. 4:57 oh, wait

[@Adamantium9001]

Similarly, the only reason I vote for Democrats is that they're not Republicans. (I'm actually not American but that's what I'd do if I was.)

[@ararune3734]

@@Adamantium9001 If I was, I'd move, but you do you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@lucasvillani5484]

Hey. Since the surface web is cracking away, could you do a vid of dos and don'ts in the Deep Web? Specially for ppl starting, would be cool to have your approach on it.

[@RemiBoyz]

I’d love to see more people talking about Urbit as a possibility for the future of the Internet, or rather, a new Internet entirely.

[@solonyetski]

@@RemiBoyz I am looking into it right now. Could you expand on why YOU think Urbit is the future?

[@808perp2]

Last time I checked in the editors favorites of the hidden wiki there was a document titled 'how to exit the matrix'. I'd recommend Reading and teaching yourself to understand and be able to implement what is taught in that document.. the WHOLE document. Reading it will also give you an idea of the type of matrix that we live in today. It's a free red pill.

[@Krawurxus]

I can do that right here: DO whatever you want. DON'T get caught if it's illegal.

[@kushsmoka]

do: anything, internet people can't hurt you, use linux dont: use a vpn or release your address or personal information

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

google and facebook is why we can't have nice things

[@JustA.Person]

Capitalism is why we can't have nice things. It's also why we CAN have nice things, it's a double edged sword

[@zman7357]

@@JustA.Person Free market brings us nice things, until lobbing money is raised to make sure they're the only one who can sell you those nice things which ends up turning revolutionary technologies into garbage(compared to it's counterpart in an unfettered free market.)

[@lightpulse420]

Industrial Society and Its Future.

[@marusdod3685]

@@zman7357 this only happens because we all collectively decided to leave the biggest most omnipotent corporation out of the free market, the state. It becomes a matter of who can appease the most to the state, rather than satisfying the customers

[@SiMeGamer]

@@marusdod3685 to combat that you simply need to constitutionalize lobbying and make it illegal. When the government is limited by its own rules which oversee every other rule, you can a situation that is extremely hard to find a loophole in. If lobbying is outlawed by some form of constitution, then companies and politicians would be wasting their time colluding because government funding is fairly transparent. The government does and should have a monopoly on force. But it should also be outside of trade (as long as no rights are violated of course). Since trade isn't in the constitution in any way, the game everyone plays is government appeasement over genuine economic strategy

[@cucamorais]

Like it's said in Deus EX, it's called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With **"ADS"**, this can be done imperceptibly over time.

[@Ay-xq7mj]

Thats why we need people to use radical irrationalism. If a given idea or policy leads to an end I disagree with the 'facts' 'science' or consensus doesnt matter. If people disagree they can fight me literally. Every hill is worth dying on. Fuck the optics.

[@funkyfresh1013]

i dont understand

[@Sorrelhas]

Why are you locked in the bathroom

[@satouhikou1103]

Nice.

[@GenesHand]

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

[@crst_05]

Good ol' firefox will come in clutch. Everyone start uninstalling google chrome and using adblock on anything google ads / google related. If they want to play the ad game, we will play the ad game.

[@igorthelight]

The thing is - most people don't even care :-(

[@crst_05]

@@igorthelight sadly yes, but if everyone can work together to raise awareness, we could get people to care.

[@DisplayLine6.13.9]

​@@igorthelight A lot of people care about not seeing ads even in the "I don't care about my privacy camp".

[@igorthelight]

@@DisplayLine6.13.9 Agree!

[@no.7893]

@@DisplayLine6.13.9 I don't really care about my privacy because it's a fruitless effort in my eyes to protect my data. It's already raped and pillaged for every moment I spend on the web. But at least with my 10 ad blocking addons I can watch anime without ads.

[@hikaritsumi2123]

"Firefox does keep shooting them in the foot" totally agree, they have good vision but very poor execution.

[@mentalmarvin]

Doesn't matter. It's all we got to delay Google from full monopoly.

[@tavirosu25]

Progressive Firefox is a shithole

[@mazyata9958]

Bunch of woke people at Firefox. No thank you.

[@LunaTulpa]

@@mazyata9958 lmao get over yourself. you're on a "woke" platform owned by another "woke" company, posting and using something a device by something you also probably see as woke

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

@@mazyata9958 Lol yeah MFers promoting Dark Mode over Light Mode because suddenly dark is more superior to white, sure lol

After watching this guy, I regret ever using Chrome.

[@RFGSwiss]

well-deserved

[@iusegentoobtw]

Man, migration sucks and I've gone through it 3 times over my internet career. It's literally the length of a long, regrettable and unfulfilling relationship - like 5 years

[@raisisn]

imagine buying a KZbin channel

[@NorthernChimp]

@mewtwoy ungoogled still calls home, some say

[@zigafide]

@@osparav yes he did

[@capability-snob]

Ad blocking is not a capability, it's a feature. Capabilities are a mathematical security model that do solve browser extension safety correctly, and ignoring them is exactly the problem with this change.

[@ichigonixsun]

It really makes me sad how big companies try to shape the way people use the internet, control how we are supposed to manipulate information on our computers, and what kind of software we are allowed to run on our hardware. Even worse is the fact that we can't do much about it now. Everything was ruined since the day they decided to sneak DRM shit right into web standards.

[@RobotronSage]

Stop with this defeatist attitude. They are in the minority.

[@RobotronSage]

Couple of years from now and ''google'' will be vaporware at this rate.

[@rocstar3000]

We do can create good open source software that are able to compete with those closed source software, the thing is how much it will be used by the market and how many people will be willing to maintain and add things to this software

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

@@RobotronSage Well they are elite minority. Numbers don't necessarily mean power.

[@CMDRSweeper]

I hate a lot of Firefox' UI design and changes, but they have a separate motor in their browser for now that I can live with and like. But yes, I am actively looking for a browser that puts even more control in my hands.

[@qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp]

im so glad google is encouraging competition by handing more market share to firefox!

[@arjunprs]

The amount of work that has gone into editing this video is commendable...

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

Good to hear Brave won't be affected. Amything is better than Chrome.

[@luuuuuuuuuuuul]

oh boy i have news for you

[@JustA.Person]

@@luuuuuuuuuuuul what why

[@MaleficWeegee]

@@luuuuuuuuuuuul give the news.

[@yezki8]

@@luuuuuuuuuuuul give the news

[@guacfiend]

​@@luuuuuuuuuuuul give the new

[@snap_oversteer]

I really hope firefox wont stop supporting the old API any time soon, but since they like to copy everything chrome does I wouldn't be surprised.

[@ashishpatel350]

what im scared of. when this goes down im switching back to firefox. but mozilla sucks at creativity.

[@Ultrajamz]

Its like how android phones copy apple and drop headphones

[@ashishpatel350]

@@Ultrajamz not really it's just the industry trend.

[@legitt6093]

@@ashishpatel350 started by Apple

[@monkaSisLife]

@@legitt6093 who tf are you lol apple is dogshit in every way lmao

[@ENTERTAINMENT-lf2wy]

I've been running Firefox for months now. Saw this a mile away, really. I've been dual booting Linux too and have become fairly capable. Note that i knew bash a little before hand, so many of my advanced functioalities and scripts I use on Windows with powershell, I could replicate

[@dIancaster]

Exactly the same with me. I use Arch, BTW.

[@tonik2558]

I tried Arch, found it too hard as a Linux virgin. Now I'm on the Arch based Garuda, and I like it a lot. I've been using this distro for like 5 months now, and I've only had a couple of hiccups, like a buggy kernel update or shortcuts getting deleted once or twice.

[@dIancaster]

@@tonik2558 I said it as a meme, I've only used Manjaro and never looked back when trying Garuda GNOME. I'm surprised to find someone else using it, though.

[@mao5170]

Unless you're going to do a little bit more than the default installation, Arch isn't necessary, Endeavouros will do. It's at this point Arch but with optional theme and optional apps. Edit: Typo fix.

[@bigzigtv706]

What linux version are you using? I am looking to dual boot as well but i dont know where to start

[@themisir]

I saw this is coming when a few years ago they introduced Manifest V3 and ignored lots of developer complaints on chrome dev forms.

[@ropersonline]

This is not the first time something like this has happened. I remember a Firefox API change, years ago, around the mid-fifties versions, that sharply limited how much power users could put themselves in the driving seat with extensions. Different browser, same direction of travel.

[@USSMariner]

Oh god, I loathed that shit. Ruined AIOS

[@FallenAngelZero00]

Whenever you see or hear the words "Your safety" or "reimagined". You know you're in for a bad time.

[@shinnou1]

Don't forget "journey" and "experience". Like marketing acid to the ears.

[@caleb-hill]

i have to say no matter how many times Firefox shoots themselves in the foot they're tenfold better then crome

[@stavinaircaeruleum2275]

*Google:* "We don't want your data to be stolen...EXCEPT BY US!"

[@RobotronSage]

isn't it literally illegal to sell personal data? If it isn't, then why haven't we already made a legal framework regarding this? Early 00's is over it's time to adress this shit. (we said we were gonna change the laws to better suit the digital era but in the early 00's everyone was chill and it wasn't actually necessary) (but it looks like it's necessary these days, as they've forgotten what the unwritten rules of the internet are. Looks like we need to remind them)

[@just-mees]

Of course google is going to change perfectly fine features and replace it with something inferior🥰 Luckily I swapped to linux and firefox a few weeks back

[@mature111ster]

I use Brave as my main browser, then Firefox and TOR as others, so I'm more in the Firefox space than Chrome. I've been using Brave as my main since 2017 because I was concerned with online censorship, and I really like the company pushing Web 3.0 technologies to increase decentralization. As we see with Google and Facebook, Centralized data leads to lots of abuse and security concerns.

[@4.0.4]

All the times I've looked at a boomer relative's laptop for tech support, the browser is full of malicious addons somehow. That said, I thought you'd say the removal of the web request API was intended to halt the rise of distributed apps that make p2p style requests from the browser or something.

[@dhruvakhera5011]

yea i mean how do boomers even stumble upon scam sites?

[@paulitics3629]

@@dhruvakhera5011 they click on ads. Thank goodness adblock is here to protect us from such malicious practices.

[@dhruvakhera5011]

@@paulitics3629 but to do that they have to be on a site that allows these ads so what do they browse in except gmail and facebook

[@paulitics3629]

@@dhruvakhera5011 ive gotten twitter ads that link to an article from some shitty tabloid site. Presumably they click that link, then click a malicious ad from there?

[@dhruvakhera5011]

@Honey b. oooooooooo

[@WashingtonFernandes]

i'll start using the internet via curl now.

[@WashingtonFernandes]

@Это не я I can pipe the html to a file, and use a browser without internet connection to render it

[@jan_harald]

I wouldn't be surprised if people added that API back into forked browsers... I'm pretty sure that maintaining one extra API wouldn't be too bad, so the question is more "is it worth it"

[@RobotronSage]

gotta love the democratic nature of the internet

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

I hope it will be not too much complicated. Also it may be that Google will not remove v2 completely, just disable it.

[@mjdxp5688]

This is why I hate the Chromonopoly. Google owns the Internet at this point. Almost everyone uses Google Search, and almost everyone uses a fork of Chromium. I knew Google would do something like this eventually.

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

and they always feared flash....LOL! adobe never would have achieved this. they weren't even that close before. always made just enough stupid decisions to stay behind and their paid software was/is laughably easy to pirate, anyways... google is a real menace.... apple, facebook, microsoft, amazon, and the other BIG PLAYERS as well.

[@takouhai]

Yikes! Glad I switched to Firefox. Great video once again, man. :)

[@Blaineworld]

I’m already using Firefox. To be honest, I mostly made the switch for the UI.

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

i usually use chromium but the old quantum theme looks really nice. the new theme looks weird to me

[@scarecat]

i wish they brought back the older ui, looked better than the new one, and was more compact

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@scarecat Chromium's older UI was also more compact and better looking

[@kenos911]

Me too. I use chrome only for incognito as its ads are really damn funny.(and they’re not on private mode for some reason) Might harden tbh

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

@@TorutheRedFox agreed

[@KookoCraft]

If you are still using Google Chrome, you're a lost cause

[@mjdxp5688]

You won't have a choice soon. Firefox is on its last legs and essentially every other browser is based on Chromium.

[@vitolapinta]

@@mjdxp5688 last legs?

[@techbuildspcs]

I use Firefox all the time. What ate you on about?

[@KookoCraft]

​@@mjdxp5688 I can almost guarantee you if it gets bad enough people will carry on with de-spooking chromium. Firefox is also starting to glow in the dark so you may want to consider jumping that ship

[@mjdxp5688]

@@vitolapinta Mozilla gets almost all their funding from Google, their software is seldom used, and they've lost a lot of respect from FOSS enthusiasts because of their stances on censorship.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

TFW: slipping into a tyrannical dictatorship and the people doing it look like that pinhead nerd who would have died alone a few decades ago.

[@Mario583a]

Patrick Star: "Who you callin 'pinhead'?

[@funnyarc]

So basically, instead of making the store better so extensions containing malicious code are checked before being uploaded, including updates, instead they make the entire extension experience Significantly worse for Everyone, which includes extension developers who are very trustworthy with full source code available, without solving the malicious extension problem. Hail Firefox (though, still F the Android version, where the add-on situation is still quite bad, with the limited amount of add-ons available (especially user agent editor), and some features and about:config not available, except...if you use the Nightly version that sound like it is used for testing and can break or corrupt anytime).

[@dealloc]

They are checked. Updates, too. The problem is the amount of extensions that are submitted. It requires a huge amount of people and time to review software. It's easier said than done to "just check the source code for malicious code". And just because source code is available, does not mean that exact source code is deployed for the majority of users. Not everyone knows (or even should know) to build arbitrary source code to "feel safe"; especially if you have no idea what to look out for to make sure a piece of software doesn't work as intended, whether maliciously or not. Security is a compromise between user experience and robustness. You can't have one without compromising the other.

[@Adamantium9001]

Get Fennec F-Droid (it's actually Fenix if you know what that means). It's based on the stable channel, but with those advanced options brought over from Nightly.

[@iusegentoobtw]

I unironically audit obscure extensions that I use. If I can find a decent tui browser with vimium bindings, I doubt I'll use a standard browser ever tbh - but most of the solutions currently feel too cumbersome.

[@bonbonpony]

How do you get the grip on their source code?

[@iusegentoobtw]

@@bonbonpony most extensions are fairly simple by nature, and you just need to extract the .crx file to view its source. For example there is an extension to make ChromeOS tile windows dynamically, and you'd think that an extension like this is fairly complex. It only had 1000 or so installs, so I went through it just to be safe. Ultimately it's only like 10 functions and about 200 lines, and the 5 or so extensions I've been through are roughly that length. Going through them I simply look for obfuscation (regular expressions) anything that may phone home to the mothership, and anything that just seems off. I'm not an experienced programmer by any means, but if you have a decent grip on coding then it's not too difficult.

[@bonbonpony]

@@iusegentoobtw Extract from where? I don't see any way to see what the browser is downloading as the extension and from where, same after installing the extension. So where can I find the sources? I'd like to either see them BEFORE I'll install it, or download & install it manually after inspection.

[@iusegentoobtw]

@@bonbonpony you'll provide the url for the extension on that site, then manipulate it from there (download, view files, etc) Hope that makes things clear.

[@bonbonpony]

I think that what we should rather do is start developing more browsers. Free and open source ones. And make sure that corporations will never put their hands on them.

[@NawidN]

Making a browser from scratch is one of the most challenging and time-intensive things in software. It takes a full team of developers many many hours to make something decent. How will it be financed? Government? Donations? Subscription model? Ads?

[@bonbonpony]

@@NawidN Yeah, same as game engines, web servers, and pretty much every other complex software. And yet people make those things. So why is there a conviction that browsers are some sort of voo-doo black magic that only corporations can make? :q It's just a piece of software, like everything else. If one person can write a game engine, then one person can write a web engine. It's even based on the same principles. But of course it doesn't have to be written by just one person, it can be split into modules and each person can work on a separate module. How will it be financed? Well, why should it be financed to begin with? :q Notice that I don't say that it cannot, just that it doesn't necessarily have to. There's a lot of big projects that are not financed, and yet people are making them, because they feel like it. And when it comes to browsers, this should be a priority for such people, considering how important such piece of software is for our freedom. And yet no one wants to fight for it by writing a piece of code? :q Well, then you deserve to be screwed over by corporations, I guess :q But if you necessarily need financing, then look at how projects such as Godot Engine get their financing, while still remaining free and open source. It's totally possible. You see? The difference between me and you (and pretty much everyone else) is that you're looking for excuses to do nothing and base your judgement on your own fears, superstitions and scary imagination of how hard it could be, while I've done my research, looked through the source code of multiple browsers, learned how they work, what functionalities they should implement, how they can be implemented, and this way I _know_ that this is _totally possible_ even for a single person to write. I even started writing some code already, a couple of months ago. Will it take effort and time? For sure. But better start now than wait until it will become really impossible when the corporations will dominate the world.

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

@@bonbonpony of course, single person can make browser. And be the only user of it. Because no one else will be interesting in using it. I completely agree that open-source and independent alternative is needed. But I don't see the way how it is possible to be done.

[@kenos911]

Theres a ton, but they’re all chromium based

[@bonbonpony]

@@kenos911 Yes, and they're like different color frames to the same picture. They're not really different browsers if the bulk of the code (the web engine) stays the same. All that changes is the user interface, and even that is rather debatable (considering how similar those UIs are).

[@sillilittlecat]

An Mr. Outlaw video a day makes you a big brain

[@hanelyp1]

I started using an ad blocker in October 2016 in response to themtube ad selection and policy. The number of ads wasn't too bad back then, but the selection I found grossly offensive, and no way to stop it short of an ad blocker. And everything I hear since only reinforces that decision.

[@DannyZolp]

One good thing is that you could still download a chrome extension package directly and force install it, but this really does seem to be the beginning of the end for things like ad blockers for chrome

[@RobotronSage]

Actually it seems more like the beginning of the end for chrome period. (and google) (and youtube)

[@pennylessz]

@@RobotronSage I wish.

[@carlsmith8593]

Just for the record: Google was told about the malicious extensions repeatedly, for years, and did nothing. They basically abandoned the extensions API for a few years, then came back with MV3 as "the solution" to a problem that they created by ignoring reports and failing to audit submissions properly. Thing is, the remote scripting restrictions would deal with the malicious extensions (and are much less controvesial). Declarative networking just ensures that companies can track every Chrome user online (no matter what extensions we install). Also note that it'll be costly for FireFox or Safari to avoid implementing MV3 too. This is a standard. If this goes through, you can't just use another browser.

[@hugo-garcia]

But google also steal data from users. Will manifest V3 delete chrome itself ?

[@Mario583a]

Naw, stealing data is now Chrome's job thanks to FLoC -- FLoC is meant to be a new way to make your browser do the profiling that third-party trackers used to do themselves: in this case, boiling down your recent browsing activity into a behavioral label, and then sharing it with websites and advertisers.

[@pennylessz]

@@Mario583a So you're saying I should go on a bunch of really stupid sites that have nothing to do with me to ruin their data?

[@haruwan4118]

I’ve been working with MV3 recently and it is hell on earth.

[@ME98878]

I personally don't use chrome. There is the consideration of using a raspberry pi and the pi-hole configuration for home PC use. For mobile using a DNS service works wonders for ad blocking. I know MO has posted several videos about DNS server use.

[@LordAziki]

People who block ads now aren't going to stop because extensions stop working on one browser, especially if you can transfer data from that browser to another. Also, increasing how many ads are on KZbin is what finally pushed me to get an adblock extension for Firefox. Installing a new browser, transferring data from Chrome to that new browser, getting an adblock extension, and uninstalling Chrome takes less time than you would spend watching ads by sticking to Chrome.

[@ARV1999]

Always have been a Firefox user. Seems like its the most based browser without sacrificing usability.

[@weeb3277]

0:22 I thought it was you for a second there 🤣🤣🤣 I was like: "wow he finally decided to show his face on camera".

[@onehairybuddha]

I’ve been meaning to get my pi-hole set up again, now I have a little more incentive.

[@r.b.ratieta6111]

Haven't set up a pi-hole yet, but this definitely ups my desire to set one up.

[@CraigsVideos97]

Had no fucking clue what any of your title meant but your videos are usually really informative so I clicked it. Glad I did, good to know what's going on in the tech world that isn't concerning new hardware releases.

[@Ay-xq7mj]

Thing is this wont work for me since everytime its blocked it just causes me not to use sites or browsers. If i have to see ads its not worth using.

[@svampebob007]

exactly I'd rather spend another 10 minutes looking for something rather then "pweas disabre adblock uwu, we need mona xoxo"

[@mr.f3134]

Thanks for pointing this out! Totally went off my radar! Btw i love that you keep telling them facebook xD

[@linuxnormie]

I being using Linux and Firefox since late 2000's and AMD since early 2000's. I never felt so proud of myself like now 🤪

[@svampebob007]

I have no fucking idea how people tolerate chrome and the internet without add-ons. I'll admit chrome is just way faster... on my android, but on my computer having to way 0.5s extra for using Firefox vs having to use chrome?no thanks. I've never seen that "performance boost" you get from Chrome, but I've seen the lack of customization and adons on Chrome. For me it's Firefox all the way, and when ever there's "compatibility issues" just wipe out the good old Edge, I mean if I'm going to sell out at least I can make it easy on myself and use the default butplug

[@wfjhDUI]

6:37 I definitely disagree with this part. The knowledge and control I have over what my Chrome extensions are allowed to do feels very poor and coarse-grained. Skimming through my extensions, "Allow this extension to read and change all your data on websites you visit" is hilariously vague to the point of meaninglessness despite being required by extensions that simply provide quality-of-life tweaks by running small snippets of JS on every page. e.g. I have an extension for re-enabling backspace as a hotkey for going back but I'm forced to give it permission to potentially spy on everything I do and phone home. I'm not willing to devote my life to auditing every line of code for every update for every extension so the only thing keeping me safe is faith and prayers.

[@someonesomewhere9321]

I really don’t get how some people claim with a straight face that Firefox is dying. It’s got a decent share of the market, and it’s mostly free of Google’s shenanigans like these. I know I’ve had peace of mind for years, ever since I removed anything Google related (sans KZbin) from all my devices.

[@bobsagget823]

firefox is a trash browser and mozilla is a trash organization it's got a built in sponsored extension (pocket) it's got built in ads (sponsored stories) it's got tracking up the ass that you can't disable it literally opens tabs on its own to advertise mozilla's white label VPN service, google doesn't even do this they're even too incompetent to sign their extension certificates and everyone's browser broke at the same time a year or two ago if anything firefox is worse, they take the moral high ground publicly because of their nonprofit status but they are in it to make money. if they could sell out and profit they would, you bet your ass they are trying. same monster, different face. coming from a daily chrome and edge and firefox user since before version 2

[@theodiscusgaming3909]

The market share keeps falling

[@edgepixel8467]

@@theodiscusgaming3909 How can gaming be teutonic?

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

@@edgepixel8467 How can anyone care about a username?

[@kenny-kvibe]

oh man the spongebob meme of "reskinned chromes", when he sprays the Opera logo and quickly runs away just totally cracked me up XD

[@tfwmemedumpster]

If you willingly install something and it does what it says on the tin then it should be able to whatever it wants without limitations. If you willingly install an extension that copies all your files and sends them to a remote server then it should be able to do that. The only requisite it should meet to be listed is that it should plainly state it. There's no reason to limit what extensions can do. Just force them to be honest on what they do so people can make informed choices

[@Rickkhry]

Tf2 no update lol

[@bbrainstormer2036]

Agreed

[@dIancaster]

Willingly copying all your data to send to a remote server... Yeah, that's Chrome alright.

[@johnmielke5840]

the thing is is that it kinda already does, although lacking in clarity

[@fast-eddie-clarke]

a video on KZbin with ads about Chrome reducing ad blocking. oh the irony

[@jameshughes3014]

this kind of stuff makes me want to go back to terminal based lynx

[@Sanrasxz]

Yes, good luck using that. Maybe you can read some articles, but everything else is a lost cause.

[@KuruGDI]

"Firefox does keep shooting themselves in the foot with development" - Amen! I was a happy FF user for +10 years and it takes a lot to chase me away, but at some point I just had to go because their ongoing useless changes just annoyed the s*i* out of me!

[@cantileveredapotheosis]

As a software engineer, I pretty much have to use chrome a lot. I can use firefox from time to time, but we're so locked into the ecosystem. What will happen is the same thing that always happens when a software package increases hostility towards its end users. People will bellyache, some will migrate... some will try to work around it... slowly but surely everyone will settle out, and at most chrome will have lost 2 million regular users, but even those users probably have to come back more often than they'd like... so yeah... at the end of the day chrome wins, unless someone maintains a fork of chrome that allows the original form of the extenion. Given that it's probably fairly technical to maintain a MItM webRequest api... this probably will not happen, or be difficult as time goes on. Also fuck firefox, they created a mobile browser that allowed any extention, and then promptly fucking removed that ability and only allow currated extensions... fucking bullshit.

[@jabba1001maplestry]

I was wondering why my Google chrome tabs wasn’t loading. Until I disabled uBlock Origin it finally loaded. So that makes sense. Thanks for the heads up.

[@Shreyam_io]

i will go for firefox... had been waiting for dumb moves like this... greatfor them that they provided one

[@WTfire10]

Imagine having to watch ads. I could never.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

I quit the web if it's the case

[@idontwantachannelimjustcom7745]

Pi hole... Use pi hole for l1 protection, ad blocker for l2 protection, single purpose VMs for nuclear wasteland sites.

[@Vinsesh_]

I see why my mom never let me use Chrome when I was younger. Built up a habit of just using Safari.

[@redenginner]

Aren’t like all three major browsers now chromium based. Like even fuckin’ microsoft does it.

[@magnusanderson6681]

Is firefox not even considered a major browser anymore? :( I thought the major browsers were Chrome, Edge, Safari and Firefox and maybe Brave

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

@@magnusanderson6681 firefox is no longer what it was meant to be. it's just a shittier chrome in functionality. codebase and the names behind it are all that separate it from chrome

[@IBMboy]

Declarative Net Request was proposed and implemented in Safari first, interesting fact.

[@zvexevz]

I will go back to using Firefox again. I had to switch to Chrome when they made the dumbest fucking "design" decision ever, which was to make it impossible to switch tabs when in full screen view. And then they didn't fix it for years. I just checked now and thank god you can do it again. I'm curious as to what other ways Firefox has shot themselves in the foot, if anyone can comment on that.

[@veirant5004]

I'd want to give you an advice. If this happens again, there is a half measure: ctrl+pageup / ctrl+pagedown or (preferable) Vimium/other extensions which supposed to change the control methods; the methods of tab switch in particular.

[@LucasVinicius-db6sd]

Since Firefox went over to Fenix on Android, keyboard shortcuts have stopped working completely. Oh, that and the extensions thing

[@lemonheins2720]

@@LucasVinicius-db6sd before fenix firefox android was THE mobile browser.

[@danci947]

Love your channel mate. Very informative. Thank you.

[@Toby-hi3sc]

Java looking spicy

[@mar1o981]

Java looking spicy

[@BurgerKingHarkinian]

?

[@audiencebigg6302]

That Opera browser transformation was gold

[@BillWilsonBG]

I've still been too lazy to switch from chrome, but they keep inching me to do it. Once the new kubuntu lts comes out I'll install on a new ssd and set it up with brave or something since it's also available on mobile.

[@teacon7]

Security updates like that sound a bit like a protection racket. "you wouldn't want something to ... HAPPEN to your data, would you?" ...I guess I'm protected in that no one ELSE is stealing my data... they have to buy it from google. :'(

[@wood_dawg]

*Laughs in Firefox*

[@DoggosintheHouse]

It was inevitable that the internet would eventually become the same kind of advertising-saturated garbage as broadcast television in the 1990s. On the other hand, I have to thank Google for giving me a great reason to unplug and simply stop using my computer.

[@Eliotime3000]

Apple can tackle to Google in the same way that they did with Flash Player, and thus approach the chance to promote Webkit engine again to Windows.

[@RobotronSage]

Who gives a fuck about windows?

[@cmyk8964]

@@RobotronSage The overwhelming majority of computer users don’t care about anything but Windows.

[@Psychopatz]

I really hate how apple's malicious removal of features for the sake of more control mentality affects all companies now seeps to the mainstream by crippling the users freewill.

[@vanstorm7777]

I got kinda concerned about this until I remembered that I was actively watching the video on hardened Firefox.

[@dIancaster]

Hardened?

[@smirtlyneticgg]

With arkenfox? Librewolf also good hardened out of the box

[@veirant5004]

@@dIancaster, that fuzzy term "hardened" often being used as a way to underline the enhanced security of the product in comparison with so-called basic versions. For example, Gentoo distributes a hardened stage3. Also the kernel might be covered with additional modules, aimed on nothing else, but security, even sometimes, with the cost of perfomance itself.

[@dIancaster]

@@veirant5004 Thank you, that's actually very helpful.

[@fizzyplazmuh9024]

Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to ditching Chrome the day they force V3 on me. This is why I use a Black Shark 3 Pro. It's a little harder for Google to own me on a Chinese OS that has no respect and very little answerability to Google. 😄

[@theblackgamer8103]

Well I already jumped to Brave and have Firefox on the side. I've learned to just avoid Google bs in general

[@weggygaygay9940]

brave is based on chromium, this will affect it as well.

[@coler154]

@@weggygaygay9940 Brave devs said they will maintain manifest V2 for as long as possible

[@weggygaygay9940]

@@coler154 doubt they’ll be able to maintain it for much long after google drops it.

[@AyliziorOfficial]

All these surface web HTTPS antics are rapidly making me consider migrating to the Gemini protocol.

[@khaoscero]

6:45 disagree there (im a dev so not a novice) I installed and used a dark theme extension which makes any page dark theme. looked good, used it. didnt particularly check the dev at the time. turns out the dev is in *beijing* and you guessed it, eventually I noticed things. comments on that extension at that point were full of privacy concerns. I dont know if an extension can realistically steal passwords, but I think its possible, since they can read anything on the page and inputs. So I removed it and changed every password ever.

[@blocksource4192]

extensions can read your cookies and get your accounts.

[@MoneylessWorld]

Your content is excellent mate, ty !

[@marioh5634]

I wish there was an alternative to KZbin+Gmail, where you don’t have to create a Gmail account to have a KZbin account. I want a personalized feed of recommended videos on KZbin, but that’s impossible without creating a Gmail account. Is there any way to “de-google” youtube without abandoning personalized feeds?

[@harleyhenry7042]

you're the best channel dawg

[@cutenapusa666]

how about iridium and ungoogled chromium ? still affected?

[@joshuajenkins1937]

I used Chromium for years and then switched back to Firefox. Been Firefox exclusive for at least 4 years now. Love it

[@VeeFerns]

That's it, I'm switching to Firefox.

[@WashingtonFernandes]

"switching" made me sad, why didn't you switched before?

[@okuu5091]

@@WashingtonFernandes Firefox sold their soul to wokeness and is just as shitty these days then a de-spooked Chrome.

[@BurgerKingHarkinian]

@@okuu5091 no, they're definitely not as bad as Google. They've done some pretty shitty things, not gonna lie but Firefox is the absolute best browser base there currently is as far as I'm aware. If you know something better, please do let me know, I'm genuinely curious.

[@okuu5091]

@@BurgerKingHarkinian Sadly I don't. Yeah, Firefox is still the best at the moment, but how long will that last?

[@marcospolanco8349]

I made the jump a long time ago. And I can happly say that the grass is greener on this side. Never looked back at google chrome.

[@Rickkhry]

Does this also affects chromium BASED browsers? Opera gx and Firefox aren't chromium based so, bing chillin

[@Akab]

Well, opera gx is chromium based but firefox is not thats right. It will prob. be pushed into chromium so yeah, it kinda does affect all chromium based browsers except if the browser creators find a work around

[@Rickkhry]

@@Akab thx for the info, didn't know opera gx was also chromium based Hope they find a work arround manifest v3

[@bigMax1337]

January 2023 is the point where you no longer can update manifest V2 extensions and June 2023 is when they'll start blocking manifest V2 extensions... So it'll be some time before the less informed people will actually notice. I don't see add-on usage as that much of a Poweruser thing since older people are still thinking that they need some search toolbar like back in 2004

[@Stone15656]

Me who's using Tor and LibreWolf: I'm 4 parallel universes ahead of you

[@gadotti1259]

I would say not really...

[@autist4209]

back to reddit pleb

[@Stone15656]

@@autist4209 Chugular moment

[@W_0_W]

​@fgsfds At least she's strong.

[@Cube_Box]

Switched a year ago after I'd heard about this to Firefox and I am loving it. Had to harden it first though as some default options aren't really privacy focused

[@deyjaacterius9610]

Firefox is probably the best choice for everyday use, and I’ll run Brave for chromium development. I just don’t like Firefox’s dev console as much as Chrome’s.

[@gh0stp1rate]

Key to keeping most of your privacy intact while browsing/using the internet is with compartmentalization. I use different browsers for different purposes, like I only use Chrome strictly for KZbin and Gmail have not used Google for searches for the past 4 years now and is also the only chromium based browser that I use. Another strictly for browsing/searching and one strictly for online accounts. I also have long since permanently deleted my Facebook over 10 years ago, when I already realized back then that it was no good, and have never had a Twitter, Instagram, or any other social media platform account.

[@Graphene_314]

There's really, what, 3 browsers? Google, propped up by Google, and Apple.

[@JustA.Person]

Yeah it's really sad but people are ignorant and don't care. Sidenote: I feel bad for using a chromium based browser but I just like it better

[@comicsans1689]

Sea Monkey.

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

@@JustA.Person support for the god damned "bleeding edge" is pushing me towards a chromium variant. but, i won't use the bog-standard ones. or, a lot of devs are getting publicly called-out for basically, forcing users towards chrome. and my game library will get a nice "drop of web support" rant as well. but yeh, there's less choices or browsers than consumer goods. it's either one of the three "recommended"/popular browsers or some fork of them that doesn't change what's wrong with them. [and can't, because there's still the W3C to contend with.]

[@kenos911]

Apple UI might be horrible but at least it doesn’t steal your data

[@Graphene_314]

@@kenos911 ehh I wouldn't be too sure of that