The HIDDEN Connection Between the Drust and ELUNE!

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[@thedreadexpanse3817]

If you liked the content leave a like, comment and share. That interview I couldn't remember was same interview from the lost codex. Its one of the last questions.

[@jetfajita]

Havent even watched the video yet but I know its gonna be great, notification GANG. This is an actual SPECULATION channel and not just lore dumps, connecting the dots, going deep, awesome stuff. Keep it up, Quack Edit: Update: I cant wait on the next video, its been weeks and I need lore.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@Mechail]

I don't like how much sense this all makes :/

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I know, its terrifying on the best of day. 😂

[@Saleos25]

My fave youtuber posted new content!! When you asked about the Gem, my first thought was the Tear of Elune

[@ASIRA89]

the first troll legend: "And when our brethren pass Into realms beyond the known The soul-spirit hardens Deep beneath the Vale. And when our brethren pass Into the Mountain's Temple We shall protect their eternal spirit Encased within the holy blue crystal. And when our brethren pass A Moon over the Vale shines."

[@HavocHounds1988]

I love how you have the music from De Other Side playing in the background.

[@blueeyedwanderer7078]

Another incredibly well put together theory that makes way too much sense. My applause, sir Duck.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@joshuaeley5701]

You speak of Elune dwelling within the Shadowlands reminds me of the sun looking orb at the heart of Death on the cosmology map. In Greek mythology there is a story of Helios, God of the sun, threatening to leave to Hades and shine upon the death there out of outrage that his sacred cattle had been slaughtered to honor other gods. An'she? Helios and Apollo are sometimes interchangeable in Greek mythology, why do I bring that up? Well, Korthia could be a reference to korthi an island of the greek Cyclades. The mythology behind these islands is rich and includes Anafi which was created by Apollo to aid Odysseus on his return from the Trojan war and served as a refuge for him during bad weather. Apollo, himself, has a history within the Cyclades. When he was an infant, he was hidden on Delos to protect him from the wrath of Hera and her jealously of the tryst between her husband Zeus and Apollos' mother that resulted in his conception. Korthia seems to serve as similar purpose in the Shadowlands, hiding and keeping safe ancient secrets (and peoples). Interestingly, Apollo is the god of oracles like the Oracle at Delphi, the legendary soothsayer, sited on at the location where Apollo slew Python, the serpent/dragon monster. Python guarded a sacred stone that represents the overthrowing of the Titans by Zeus and his Olympians. I, personally, see a similarity between this egg shaped stone and the Orphic Egg entwined by a serpent. The Orphic Egg is the cosmic egg that bore Phanes, a being of light and goodness. Azeroth? A snake motif is seen in Oribos and on the armor of the Eternal Traveler. Also, I'm going to point out that Apollo is the twin sibling of Artemis, goddess of the moon and the hunt. He is the god of sun/sunlight. He is also god of shepherds. Korthia could be real interesting and illuminating. The cosmology map also suggests that the Shadowlands are not in realm of death but rather tied to Azeroth (and the greater reality) as some kind of cyclic system. What if Oribos was created as a means to redirect the death away from the plane of Death and to the artifice that is the Shadowlands? What if the natural destination of souls upon their demise is Death (the Maw) and the First Ones and the Eternal Ones have interfered with this natural order? The Titans interfered with life on countless planets across the universe.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

This some amazing research and the connections made are awesome. I've known about Apollo for a while but this connects the irl stories to the lore, so much better than I have been able to. I agree with basically all of this deduction and can see most of these connection being on point or very very close. And yeah, that is definitely a possibility I've been tossing up for a while... (Shadowlands = safety net against true death. Or something like that.) ... the problem I'm having is reconciling all the info out there (from lore to interviews), because most of it seems to be contradictory. I stress seems though because there a few lines that work but if true, a lot of other out there theories need to be true as well.

[@joshuaeley5701]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 Thanks! I know I was inelegant in how I explained my thoughts (phones suck for editing) but I appreciate the kind words. Blizzard's lore is seldom crystalline as it has to bend to the needs of the game but much of it stays within certain boundaries. One of those boundaries is the mythologies of antiquity; Blizzard cribs quite liberally from those ancient beliefs. A deep dive into those stories always yields new analogs and parallels to things in WoW lore. Take the odd stars with a shell in each corner of that cosmology map. Does that symbolize something akin to Venus, the goddess of pretty much everything feminine? Venus is usually depicted on a shell, but Venus is also a planet and was one of the more important stars in the sky in many ancient civilizations due to its relative brightness. If those shells and stars represent a power within WoW, who or what is it? Why are they on that map with references to four fundamental magical forces entangled around them with streaks emitting out from them? It can be maddening to decipher the meaning of these things but it is also a helluva good time.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

@@joshuaeley5701 So true, maddening but fun.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Hmm. it could be one of those crystals. Considering how big it was in the Jailer's hand, if it were cut into a more uniform shape it would still be quite big.

[@Alchemic09]

Ok that second last sentence needs it's very own video!

[@Alchemic09]

Also, the "Eternal Ones", pretty much looks like titans. They were talking about a "Titan Homeworld", and I don't think this is it, but these could just be titans. They all look quite similar, only Denathrius with his horns and hooves, and I guess you could argue the differences, but then again they all have their thing. Though I can't help but wonder if the Jailer looks the most default, and that the hole wasn't by original design?

[@shadowgamer4306]

Amazing video once again.

[@wthrmn87]

Thank you again Mr. Duck. Your videos keep getting better.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

No thank you for watching.

[@raulaguirre883]

Love ur videos man

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

Fantastic content as always!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@rawr95678550]

it's a good sunday when there's a new duck video uwu

[@wellofeternity3327]

Basically everything connected to Elune. Titans, naaru, wild gods and creatures from the other planets.

[@HavocHounds1988]

I think she is/was a First One.

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@HavocHounds1988 I think that she was an Eternal One that got elevated to the position of a First One.

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@shadowgamer4306 Yep, it's starting to look like that could be the case with the new info we have.

[@TheBigHeinousAnus]

omg a new video right as im going to sleep.... guess I can stay up another 20 mins xD

[@HavocHounds1988]

Thros is part of the Nightmare. And I have this feeling that Mueh'zala might have been the one that helped Gorak Tul.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Because of how he played Odyn and Helia or another reason?

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 That and it seems they are working with him in Ardenweald as well as the Spriggans. Like The chosen of Mueh'zala is a boggart that looks like one of the Drust giants from Drustvar.

[@grinampwns]

We've missed you :)

[@mrtianflo7728]

Awesome theory. BTW have you thought about the sunwell, like what it was before the elves took over it. Could that be ancient titan stuff or maybe the prison of anshe.. prolly not though lol

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Oh trust me the Sunwell has been on my mind for ages now. Ever since the revelations about Zandalar's overall connection to the titans, the 3 seals of Zandalar, and Kings rest, I've been convinced there has been some form of titan facility somewhere in that part of the world. The Sun Well specifically because prior to the elves the trolls treated the area as sacred. (From memory I'm pretty sure it was place for their dead)

[@maureenbouterse]

A soon as you showed the Jailer's crystal and the gem of Elune, my mind blanked. Duude... It can be interpreted as a deeper connection existing between Zovaal, Ardenweald, the Winter Queen and the ascension of the dark trolls into night elves as you went into in your 2 hour + vid. Overall, I would like there to be a deeper connection between the Shadowlands and Azeroth, almost in the same way there exists with the Emerald Dream. It expands the possibilities almost limitlessly while also forging connections with multiple Shadowlands realms.

[@HavocHounds1988]

I think it's possible Azeroth was a First One that was for some reason placed in a sort of stasis inside of a planet, maybe to be kept safe from Zovaal as I speculate that the betrayal he did was an all out attack on the First Ones.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I know right, what's scary is I pretty sure there is more.

[@matthewolson2386]

Last time in Winterspring, hmmm, I think before Legion came out and I was in my 50s on an alt.

[@Chibichunga]

I love your videos, but it’s like watching people theorycraft Wandavision only did it to turn out there is no Mephisto, nightmare, and Quicksilver is just some dude. I wish you were writing for Blizzard, but you give the current writing staff way too much credit 😂 I do think you might be on to something though, because a Blizz is definitely setting the Drust up to play a large role in the Tyrande patch, which will also introduce Elune as the Winter Queens sister and tie all those threads together and wrap up the Ardenweald story, so I’m excited to see if it plays out the way you think. Remember Xal’atath refers to Elune as an upstart goddess, ie; rose in importance suddenly and is very arrogant beyond their actual status. I do not think Elune predates the Void, light, or first ones. I think Elune is just an eternal that revelled against the first ones, light, and void and forged her own path.

[@electricmayhem8147]

korthia has a color palette that I would have attributed to Thros. Im worried blizz is gonna drop the rest of the Drust storyline since they are way behind. hopefully this is not the case.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I can see what you mean and it is a possibility thought I would honestly be more disappointed if they ham fisted it in instead of playing it out considering they have a lot of potential places to go with the Drust's storyline.

[@electricmayhem8147]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 too true, with their lore team as good as it should be, i really hope they are planning all the storylines out. and not just throwing things together randomly.

[@BrettFairchild]

You should make a complete chronological timeline of WoW video

[@Raziel842]

6:52 killed the winters queens what?

[@buklao8000]

Hi Dread! xD Another offtopic question, but i need to ask about this. What happend Nerubians when they die at Azeroth..? Exactly WHAT happend Anub'arak?? Nerzhul cannot control him and Nerubs, because of influence of Yogg.. if i remember this correctly. Anub'arak fell under domination of Nerzhul after he was killed and ressurected. Is Possible when Anub died, he got to Maw where he meet Zovaal?? Then he was "somehow" returned to Azeroth to support Arthas who became Lichking??.. Btw. I love your video about Lordaeron runes in throne room, Trolls.. GJ!

[@HavocHounds1988]

They might go to the Shadowlands. If I remember right somewhere in Revendreth there is a Sinstone for a Mantid. So It seems that maybe the insectoid minions of the Old Gods are considered mortals.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Honestly. I don't know. My guess is base line they go the shadowlands like the mantid. But then other factors can come into play. As for resurrection... after the Blizzcon interview where that question was was kind of addressed. (I think it was the lost codex again.) I got not pretty much no clue. As in I had ideas, now... its pretty difficult explain. Unless I try using some really obscure X and Y axis's.

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 Yeah it was the Lost Codex one that asked the question about what happens on the Shadowlands side of someone that is raised through Necromancy such as the Forsaken or a Death Knight.

[@calebcoatsworth8800]

Isn't the symbol for bastion the same design for the tear of elune?

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Basically yeah and I doubt its coincidence.

[@luniers4629]

4 fingered models is common, since it's easier to animate I would say.

[@jetfajita]

Crying cause theres no new video

[@drudragon2614]

so with all the drust do u think the primus is a drust aswell? he sure looks like it in the new ptr stuff

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

At the moment no, I don't think he is a Drust however... if there is a connection there I would be fascinated as to what it is.

[@RichardJamesStayAtHomeDad]

Can you do a video on who the hooded figures oh portals are?

[@shadowgamer4306]

He already made a video about the hooded figures.

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@shadowgamer4306 Yep, long before Shadowlands was even announced. Actually I think it possibly was before BfA launched.

[@benmccoy6417]

People to blizzard devs "what made the maw inescapable?" Blizzard devs answer shows end of the first we go to arden weald where winter queen says eon's ago we drew upon the heart of the forest to make the maw inescapable' players to blizzard devs who made maw inescapable? Blizzard devs after showing and telling why they face palm and stop answering

[@HavocHounds1988]

Lol, and there is evidence that the Maw wasn't always known as such.

[@ChutUpPleb]

ey man, love your content but you definately have to buy a better microphone. I've watched all of ur videos from the start to the end and each time I have a really hard time understanding what ur saying due to the quality of the sound. It's very scuffed and many of the words in each sentence are indiscernible

[@HavocHounds1988]

Pretty sure he got a new mic like half a year ago or so.

[@ChutUpPleb]

@@HavocHounds1988 even a headset with a decent mic like SXFI gamer can do a lot better than that man

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@ChutUpPleb I don't know what to say, I just know he upgraded his mic relatively recently. And I haven't had issues understanding him for the most part. His old mic was a lot worse.

[@ChutUpPleb]

@@HavocHounds1988 is english your mother tongue?

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@ChutUpPleb Yes. It possibly helps that I have spoken with Etch in voice on discord many times in the past so I've gotten used to his speech patterns and such.