The First Ones and the Greater Magics of World of Warcraft Revealed

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[@ghostofsasquatch2815]

Love your videos. I only wish there were more of them. Keep up the good work! 😃

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you and Yeah... one day.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Chaos magic in game is all 7 magic schools combined, this includes physical. Which is why I think Azeroth is the the Titan of Chaos, but not Fel.

[@mambojambo4870]

Solid work sir, really proud of you!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@mrtianflo7728]

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[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you. And it will come, one day.

[@jetfajita3799]

The tier of these videos is on another level of speculation

[@Elochai141089]

I just want to say that this is amazing work and you have put a lot of effort into piecing it all together. Please keep doing your thing as I am looking forward to more videos from you on this topic. Once again, amazing job!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@maureenbouterse]

You weren't kidding when you said this would be the most quaked theory of yours yet. Everything from what the three sisters might represent to there being a depth of duality between the prismatic sea and the darkness that isn't at first obvious on the cosmology map has left my head spinning. Could this mean that if the other First Ones have been killed/imprisoned, that a creature from our reality might 'rhyme' into an aspect of said First One? Or could wholly usurp their power? As in devour your gods and become them? Humanity and our gods have many a tale of younger generations devouring/supplanting the older generations, so is it possible that that's what happened to the First Ones? Either way, if your theory is 0 and my brain is 1 then my mind is now BLOWN. Well done, Mr. Quack.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you and Yes. Yes. Yes and yes. I think all those possibilities have chance of happening. Weather they do or not, we will see.

[@shadowgamer4306]

When you mentioned that The Horde recruited races that are alliegned with life and death you said that these races are The Highmountain tauren (life) and The Nightborne (death). I agree with The Highmountain tauren beign associated with life, but the connection between The Nightborne and death felt like a stretch. Here is what I propose, instead of The Nightborne beign the ones who are associated with death The Zandalari are the ones who are connected to death because of their direct connection to Bwonsamdi and how in the recent times (BFA) they started embracing death more and more. Let me know what you think of this idea if you read it!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Your right it was a stretch and that is a very good observation/idea that integrates into the theory very well. I do have to wonder about the Nightborne's connection to life and death though, considering Ardenwealds over all aesthetic. They may not be death but they may have some sudo connection to life.

[@alebubble4586]

EEEEETCH THE QUAAACK!!! Thanks for the video. it feels like it's been years since the last video. Glad you're back and hope you're doing well.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Glad I could oblige and thank you, I am doing as well as can be considering the times.

[@BrettFairchild]

miss your videos man

[@HavocHounds1988]

I find an issue with Vareesa being balance, since if Sylvanas is named to reference the White Lady which is the symbol of Elune on Azeroth wouldn't she be considered balance. Since most of what Elune stands for is balance. The Lun'alai mention that their Loa seeks balance not bargains, the Moonkin were created by Elune to guard sacred locations on Azeroth by Elune and they seem to represent a balance between nature and arcane. But then there is the darker side of Elune which might also be related to balance. She balances both sides maybe? It's complicated for sure. Now her being Chaos I can agree with.

[@kettles1281]

I stumbled upon one of your videos and have been binging on them, the are so interesting! I have a question, but not sure which video would be the correct (if there is such a thing) one to ask. Having said that, here it is: Do you have any idea about where Khadgar went and what circumstance of his return will be? It is something that has really been bothering me. He was helping Chromie so is there something he is doing to the timeline to help us? Will be seeing him at the end of Shadowlands or the next xpac heralding in the Naaru? Or, something worse.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Good question and honestly its really hard to say. I think I missed the part where he was helping Chromie. Last thing I remember hearing from Khadgar was that he was heading to Karazhan to do research. Now it is odd we didn't run into him during 8.3 when we were searching for Wrathion so assumedly he isn't there anymore. So where he is now based off his last location and goal is pretty hard to say. With that said if I was to take a guess, when Khadgar returns we'll probably be dealing with the Sword in the Silithus. As in finally getting ride of it.

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 If Sargeras wanted to kill Azeroth with his sword why didn’t he do it when we were in Antorus? When you find out that the eye that is always in his sword is absent from this iteration of the sword things really get weird. The energy in the sword is similiar to Argus The Unmaker. I still do not understand what Sargeras did with the sword. Can you share your thoughts about this or possibly make a video in the near future where you explain the purpuse of the sword and what Sargeras achieved by stabbing Azeroth?

[@HavocHounds1988]

Hmm with your theory, it brings up the question about Elune. Is she just the echoes of Azeroth from when she was a First One? And that is why she is worshipped on other worlds? And it seems even on those other worlds she manifests as a moon which is interesting. So maybe my older theory of Elune being an avatar of Azeroth isn't too far off. What if the Winter Queen is a child of Azeroth {aka Elune?} That could explain why she has antlers just like the Moonkin which were created by Elune herself, and how Elune seems to be closely connected to Ardenweald in some way. This brings up a lot of interesting ideas and questions.

[@tappy8154]

Really looking forward to more of your content as this expansion progresses, great vid

[@shadowgamer4306]

On the fresco that you showed during the video there is a figure that holds a serpent in his/her hands. Can it be possible that this is the crooked serpent that was mentioned in the game and is it possible that this serpent is related to the snakes present in Lordareon, Oribos etc.? Looking forward for your reply!😀

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I have been considering that. And if that is the case it could actually explain why that part of the fresco is broken. As in it may have been made before the "fall" (assumed power shift) of the shadowlands and depicted, I guess the way in which the physical realm and the shadowlands were connected.

[@LDaemontus]

Given how you divide the cosmology chart, I'd like to point out that Blizzard literally gave us the best example of Aether, and how it can tie together, and that's back in Legion with High Botanist Tel'arn, in the Nighthold raid. Yes, that boss. Hence why it makes sense that the Horde recruited the Nightborne into their fold as an aspect of Life, not just because of their connection to Elune but also their influence over literal life, like with time and space, out competes everyone else of our time.

[@ktem5712]

As always, great vid. TY

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you

[@arch199412]

Thank you for this, very interesting and refreshing!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you for watching.

[@vorben7826]

The First Ones mysteries ever since they were mentioned. Powerful figures lost to time, i think we have our answer on what happened to them. aman-thul

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Quite possibly, however if these magics do exist, it would be curious if Amon'thul instead of being the cause of their fall, instead watched their fall. As in similar to a Varian who watched Stormwind fall as a child, then later down the line created his own Stormwind. Amon'thul did something similar with the Pantheon.

[@demon212]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 damn that is super interesting

[@shadowgamer4306]

I believe that Azeroth is a titan that has the essence of a First One inside of her. This explains why she is the most powerful titan in the universe and why each force in the universe tries to claim. A First One likely sent her essence into a nascent titan similliar how Norgannon sent the essences of the titans into the keepers.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I can see that being the case and it would make sense. The question form there however becomes why did they need to resort to such a drastic measure to being with.

[@shadowgamer4306]

Can the entity of darkness be the skyfather? What about those statements that Argus is older than the universe? Can he be a first one? Another idea could be that An’She is the first one of the sun. These are just some of my ideas and questions that I have for you. I hope that you will read them and answer them if you have the time. Keep up the amazing speculation!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Yes it is quite possible the Sky father could be an entity of darkness. Though as I have had pointed out to me many time by Lhok, the Tauren practice Sky Burials. So the question becomes if he is an entity of Darkness why would they willing give their dead to him? Argus could definitely be a first one and I do lean towards Argus being older than the physical universe but not other universes. I am currently under the impression Argus is supposed to be the equivalent of the Giants/Jotun in Greek and Norse mythology. Which, if true as you can imagine raises a lot of questions.

[@shadowgamer4306]

@@thedreadexpanse3817 Maybe the tauren aren’t aware of what they worship and this is why they willingly give their dead to him.

[@kent4833]

to bring your theory together: 1 x 0 = 0. 0 = null and _void_. In this case, the 0 consumes all, which fits the description of a void lord.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Hehe good point. Though I will admit 1 X 0 = 0 was just supposed to be an example.

[@firetarrasque4667]

There is one part of the Cosmology Map that I oppose really, really strongly: Why are Undead part of the sphere of Death? It seems obvious to me that necromancy, the act of defying death and undoing entropy, isn't an act powered by death. When you raise a zombie, or a ghoul, or a ghost, or what have you, you aren't working *with* death, you're working *against* death. Undeath is the opposite of death, even more than life is. Life is subject to rules. Giving birth to a new creature isn't a violation of death, and everything alive is always aging. You even said it in the video: Life and death seem to be much closer than we thought. But undeath? Again, the very act of raising the dead is a violation of entropy. You are *breaking* death. In its purest form, necromancy is a stream of anti-entropy, working to bring the universe back to the very moment of the Big Bang. Why does the chart want to align them?

[@robertgeorge2011]

I have no idea how channels like bellular can churn out such pish and have billion of subs and make so much money and you can create such amazing intricate gems and only have 1.5k subs 😢 please never stop making videos man

[@shadowgamer4306]

Can Balore or An’She also be a First One tied to The Greater Magic of Sun and if so what would his role in the cosmos be? I would like to hear your thoughts on this!🙂

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

An'she could be a first one and tied to the sun however... considering we've got confirmation the Elune and the Winterqueen are sisters, there is a big question about what that story is referring to because ether... A. The Tauren are referencing Elune before she assumedly left the Shadowlands, in which case An'she was an eternal one. (Possibly Zovaal) or B. They're referencing her after she moved on in which case who and or what An'she is, has the potential to be very familiar or completely alien. As in he could be very similar to Elune in origin and purpose or could be something else entirely.

[@bennydreadful]

Completely coincidental, but as I was listening to this and playing WoW, I completed the "Three Sisters" quest in Fletchers Hollow right around the 26:20 mark. Just weird hearing you speak about the Three Sisters and then seeing that I had completed them :D

[@RachaelLines]

In the tiers on rings, within the innermost rings of green, the Twisting Nether is in the North Eastern corner - above the shadowlands and close to the burning legion. Any idea what the others maybe, as I have a feeling six should sit around that ring, not two. Where do the void go when they die? Same as the light, is there a Light land?

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

With the void they possibly go to Nyalotha or another realm of shadow when they die and yeah I would assume the same with the light but atm I don't think there's any confirmation on where they go. And I agree its quite possible there are supposed to be 6 instead of 2 and considering the position of the sun and the blue child, they may have relations to the other possible realms.

[@DimitriNakos]

You deserve more likes comments and subs :)

[@Rocker9861]

Ehh the 1x0 breaking the laws of physics doesn’t hold but interesting video. 1x0 is simply 1 zero times which is of course 0. Just like zero one time is still 0. To further clarify multiplication is not taking two separate entities it is simply shorthand for adding one number to itself X amount of times. Aka 2x3 is actually just 2+2+2. The 3 is not a separate entity from the 2.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you for the clarification. Just out of curiosity would the general preface I was getting be more aptly expressed with division and dividing by zero. Or do I just need to do more research on the topic?

[@Alinnagy88]

More quacked theories !

[@mambojambo4870]

Second that!

[@MiilosVarcakovic]

I left a comment in support of YT’s bad algorithms

[@magdalena2882]

A new cutscene from Shadowlands shows the Jailer torturing the Runecarver and forcing him to forge Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination: www.wowhead.com/news=319626/shadowlands-cinematic-runecarvers-memory-and-the-jailer-spoilers?webhook The Jailer specifically references these weapons being used to claim "...the final prize. The secret that the First Ones sought to hide." This implies that Azeroth was hidden by the First Ones (perhaps they were the ones that constructed the various Veils that have protected her?) and that she is of significant importance to them. It lends stronger credence to your theory that Azeroth is indeed a First One awaiting rebirth, or at the very least something that singularly inspired the First Ones to come together to protect her.

[@shadowgamer4306]

I theorise that Azeroth is a Titan that houses an essence of a First One inside of her.

[@MichaellX]

4 cosmic principles for reality hmmm? Looks like the 4 main shadowlands zone fill this concept too: Life = ardenweald Chaos = maldraxxus Magic = revendreth Sun = bastion

[@shadowgamer4306]

I also agree that the 4 realms of the shadowlands seemengly depict the 4 greater magics. I would only change the aligment between the greater magics and the realms. In my opinion it should go like this: Bastion=magic Maldraxus=chaos Ardenweald=life Revendreth=sun

[@buklao8000]

WoD was EPIQ!!!

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

Correct me if i'm wrong Are these the elements of the 6 forces? Earth for Order, Water for Life and Spirit for Light; Fire for Chaos, Air for Death and Decay for Void.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

Or somehow do they have 2 elements each? Earth+Water for Order, Water+Spirit for Life and Spirit+Fire for Light; Fire+Air for Chaos, Air+Decay for Death and Decay+Earth for Void.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

The assumption I've been going on with the elements is they are different to the magics but not their own forces, technically. Think the difference between Chemistry (the elements) and Physics (magics physics) So basically it would be more like spirit,fire, air, decay, earth and water of light. Spirit, fire, air, decay, earth, water of shadow. Ect. Ect.

[@shadowgamer4306]

The element of spirit is specifically called the spirit of life.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

So i was incorrect?

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

@@cesarerinaldi6750 No. Not its quite possibly you are correct and I am wrong. This is all speculation atm.

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[@nino__2997]

I love it

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Glad to hear.

[@lordcthulhu1609]

Wait that entity of Darkness is in reference to Aeon. A God of time... A GOD OF TIME... AMAN'THUL IS A FIRST ONE. I KNEW IT. HE MESSED WITH THE TIMELINE. IT FITS

[@metalskirmish]

1X0 is one group with nothing in it. 0X1 is zero groups of 1, and therefore they both are zero. I would have gone with schrodinhers cat, or how dark matter might be a macro version of quantum wierdness.

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

I'll keep that in mind for next time. I need do need to look into dark matter more.

[@magdalena2882]

GoldenYak has had a similar theory regarding the truth of Azeroth for some time: wow.gamepedia.com/User:GoldenYak/World%27s_Heart/Lords_of_the_Void Given that Blizzard has had a propensity for borrowing *quite generously* from his fanworks (a huge amount of BFA's plot mirrors the Reign of Azshara fan expac plot he came up with years ago), it wouldn't surprise me at all if Azeroth's status as a First One was canon. I'd also particularly encourage exploring his original Spider Kingdom expansion theory -- it may take time because the Wowpedia pages are quite garbled, but the overarching plot he's created has multiple elements that you can see were reflected in the game from a lot of Legion onwards. Great vids though, particularly enjoyed your Nathrezim Conspiracy theory!

[@thedreadexpanse3817]

Thank you and thanks for the link. I had never heard of GoldenYak until now. Wish I had though their stuff is really well put together and interesting. Looks like I have a bit of reading to do.

[@tylermcnally8232]

Sorry but 1 x 0 does not break any laws of physics or information. Its 1 group of nothing. You cant have a group of nothing. Or no groups of 1, You cant have no groups of 1. That's how multiplication works.

[@frazerrhughess]

I enjoy your videos and appreciate how much work you put into them, but you are wildly wrong about basically everything. Blizzard is making this shit up as they go along and retcon as they go. Simply put, it’s not that deep. It’s fun to imagine it is, but it just isn’t.

[@jetfajita3799]

You’re dumb for saying that lmao

[@shadowgamer4306]

The biggest mistake that one can do is underestimate the writers.