The Hidden Dangers of Misusing a Poker Concept

[@mattfox5933]

This thumbnail is absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

[@rysw19]

I think Bart made a rare mistake on the river. He says you could need to find more non-full kings than full kings plus bluffs. I’m pretty sure you just ignore the fold (those are zero EV whether you shove or not) and look at the hands that are called (i.e. full vs non-full kings)

[@tylermokarry9731]

if there weren't bluff combinations in your opponents range, then Villain would have a higher percentage of non-full kings within their range, when considering getting it in on the river... you would prefer to remove all those bluff combinations right? It makes your chances of getting called by a worse hand go down... just by being a part of the range...so i get what your saying but i don't actually think that it's zero EV

[@rysw19]

That’s actually my exact point though. Their bluffs don’t factor in. Whether you shove or check they are not going to call and they cannot bluff you. So you will win what’s in the pot. Depending on how you look at it you can say there’s 0 EV or you can say your EV is exactly what’s in the pot in either circumstance. What you need to worry about is when you are called, what percentage of the time will you have the best hand. If it’s over 50% you should shove, regardless of how many bluffs they have in their range (literally they could have a million bluffs or they could have zero, it doesn’t matter).

[@shaddow3456]

The Apostle Bartholomew!

[@echopoker2303]

Charts as a guide is so crucial and knowing how a range interacts with opponents range with board texture is +EV.

[@jacobgoldman5780]

T9 suited also is viable bluff for villian as it is a double gutter to an 8 and Q on river.

[@1vailchris]

Not many V's are going to call flop and turn with T9. Maybe QT, because it'll make the nut straight and blocks some of hero's AQ/AT combos. V might turn AJ or QJ into a bluff, too.

[@noex100]

​@1vailchris It's a 1/3 home game, those players are always playing T9 this way on the flop and turn.

[@1vailchris]

​@@noex100 "Always"? Maybe sometimes. Not every player is even going to recognize that they have a double-gutter with T9. Those that do are capable of understanding that making a pair with a T or 9 on the river doesn't help much with the K and J on board. I'd think most players are folding T9 on the turn. I would think more players would be more likely to continue with QT because their straight draw is the more obvious open-ended type, and their pair might be good if the river is a Q, hoping their opponent is betting Jx.

[@kellerh-town]

Hilarious thumb nail!!! Love it 😂

[@DallasDelRio]

Kinda like a block sizing. You get raised for value with K-X. Or maybe a crying call from J-X. Also get raised as a bluff from Q-10 or A-Q some of the time.

[@Javis586]

Definitely; but need to be pretty certain V will raise w Kx or else it's really terrible bc you need to be making max vs top of range that you beat

[@pedro.gandra]

Bro, block sizing is meant for spots where your opponent doesnt bluff. Otherwise you are basically pot comitting yourself which rarely makes sense for a hand that doesnt want to see a raise. AK in this hand DOESNT want to see a raise. Your opponent call 2 reasonably big bets on a board with almost no draws. Even with a block bet you have shown incredible strength. Even if by some miracle your opponent has QT (which he should play very diffently) he shoulnt be bluffing here. If you get raised in the river is 80% likely you are dead.

[@pedro.gandra]

In the river I like something around 30-50% pot to get value from KQ, KT. If I get raised I am running for the hills because only a madman bluffs someone that has show this much strength and the ONLY draw is a very weak QT. Which is a hand that unblocks all the thick value.

[@pedro.gandra]

By the way, if you think any KX that is not a boat raises the river after a block bet on this board you are delusional

[@Javis586]

@@pedro.gandra spotted the shit reg

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

I don’t understand why JJ is a call pre sometimes? It’s the 4th best hand in position in a loose configuration. Are we trapping by calling??

[@PhonyBologna]

Because when you're on the BTN you have position, and aren't incentivized as much to 3b to knock players that have position out of the pot. While JJ is ahead of hero's opening range, poker is a game of deception and this and very small amounts of QQ make up the top part of the BTN flatting range so that the opener cannot just run them over postflop -- as they have some nutty hands to defend with in position. These hands also help you defend versus say a SB or BB squeeze, you get to flat twice with hands like 99-QQ, as well as your suited broadways. This leads to having a calling range that is equal to the preflop raiser (equity wise on most flops) due to a higher concentration of pairs and suited broadways, while also making their life hell by 3b things like 45-78s with AA, KK and a smattering of suited broadways (mixed with calling some) makes you very hard to play against.

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

@@PhonyBologna what about protection for my hand? If you go multiway to a flop with JJ you’re likely going to get out drawn. Protecting my calling range is not at all my concern when playing low stakes. But if I was going to I’d use good suited aces that play well multiway if it comes to that and dominates other aces. Especially if there are fish in the blinds. Also if I’m were to flat JJ or QQ I’m back raising a squeeze.

[@PhonyBologna]

@@Dylan-vm4gl if you're playing low stakes you're break even vs a squeeze range of AJ+, TT+. Back raising JJ is such a severe overplay, low live stakes. For sure -EV, you'll likely win 60% of the time, but lose everything 40% so the risk reward isn't there. Also it's obvious youre flooded with exactly JJ in that spot. Same goes versus a proper early openers range. JJ doesn't want to face a 4b, only time I'd 3b it is if there was a caller between, as you get better odds to take it down preflop. However having position on the blinds who have wide ranges isn't a big deal... Usually just printing IMO. I feel like someone like yourself is just making excuses on why not to play proper preflop. Likely isn't finding the correct 3b or flats, it will gimp you hard as you move up. I just play 3/5, 5/10, and 10/20 on rare occasions. Also I beat 100 NL online for about 8.5bb/100 over the last 20k hands, small sample but I've been playing for 20 years recreationally (36). Bankroll is only about 100k, but... That's all from the past 3.5 years playing 10 hrs a week.

[@officeofpeaceinformation5094]

Betting the turn commits Hero with these stack sizes River K doesn’t improve our hand vs Villians range because if we were ahead, we’re still ahead and are still beat if we were beat Im betting River big and stacking off if shoved on If we are coolered, so be it Lots of worse hands can call, a J and obv K9 type hands which they love to call preflop with River K incentivizes a J to now call too

[@EllieBanks333]

What are you expecting villain to show you when he jams on your "big" river bet here?

[@ashypharaoh8407]

Sensational thumbnail

[@Jermo484]

Haven't heard any river analysis yet, but I think people mess up and think their hand actually improves here on the river when they get trips. He has exactly the same strength of hand he had before except it's so much harder to get value now than before because there are something like half as many good kings the villain can have. The K literally doesn't help him catch up against anything besides an absurdly poorly played AA or one of two combos that the villain probably doesn't have as played of J7 suited. People just see trips and think they've got a monster when top top is virtually identical to top trips on disconnected boards. Also, not 3 betting JJ as button versus a cutoff open (especially with some limps) is horrendous in live games. I don't care what the charts say. You end up going multiway and basically need to hit a set when you usually have the best hand pre.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Yeah I didn’t get why hero was so happy with the K river. It halves the number of worse Kx hands V can have.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Agree on the JJ point as well. I’m always 3 betting there.

[@1vailchris]

Not 3B'ing pre with JJ from the BTN with 2 limpers and the blinds left to act is terrible. The K on the river - I could go either way. On the one hand, yes, it reduces the number of Kx combos V can have, but on the other hand, it also reduces the number of Kx combos hero can have. Some V's are going to discount the likelihood hero has a K, and put more AA/QQ/AJ/QJ into his range, such that it opens up some credible bluff lines for V to rep the K on the river, especially when hero checks. As hero, I could see checking here with all my Kx holdings, in order to induce V to bluff, or v-bet way too thin with Jx. As played, I'm never folding to V's river bet. If he slow-played a flopped set or KJ, so be it. V's going to get to the river with some worse Kx, some Jx, and some QT that can't win if it doesn't bet.

[@EllieBanks333]

I totally agree with your contention that the king is a bad river for hero. It's strange how sometimes there are no great river cards. An ace is not great for hero either, it's not bad because you get over on KJ. But it also brings in QT nut hand for villain. I also think you're right that JJ should be 3 bet pre here. But I do know players that don't love TT or JJ because they feel like the flop brings overs pretty often. So it's not crazy for someone to flat with position on JJ.

[@1vailchris]

@@EllieBanks333 I've seen how some low-stakes players just won't 3B without AA/KK/AK. I can understand flatting with TT. But JJ seems to be one of those hands that those types of players will raise huge pre, so they don't have to face an A/K/Q high flop. Whenever someone makes a ridiculously large raise pre, it's never surprising to see them flip over JJ when everyone folds and they scoop the blinds. The thing about flatting pre with JJ or TT is - what do you do when you flop a set, but with an over-card and some sort of draw on board? Like, I'd want to ask this V why he didn't raise flop? Is he scared of KK? Isn't that the same reason he didn't 3B pre? If so, then why bet the river? Sure, the 2nd K on the river reduces hero to just 1 combo of KK, but hero can't call V's bet without a K in his hand, and some players will check quads or top boat (KJ, or if you're me, K7, because that's the hand that always makes me a boat) to induce a bluff, because they don't think they can get 3 streets of value if they bet. Hero either has a worse hand that will never call V's river bet, a better hand that has him dead, or trip K's, which he was beating all along, and could have gotten more value from, had he raised pre, or raised flop, or raised turn. If I somehow got to the turn the way V did, I'm raising huge on that total brick.

[@qsdailydose8970]

So many good home games in Tennessee!

[@WhiteScriber]

what happened to Bart turned grey on the Thumbnail?

[@arnoldvosloo220]

Wild thumbnail lol 👍

[@Justin-np3ki]

For real lmao Bart Hansen and grant Cardone had a baby

[@nolimitpoker]

If villian is the best player in the pool this games soft. Trapped flop and turn river he’s blocking jx what could hero have here air or kx clear jam all day.

[@DomBun28]

How much value has villain missed out on here? If you had got here as villain do you have to size small as you assume hero can’t have a K?

[@MoSoDope]

Tank checking on the river is a clear signal of a strong but non nutted hand at 1/3 in my player pool. They get to the river and don’t have a plan. Villian missed out on value in my opinion but I am a fish so there’s that lol

[@tlrehmke]

One of the best hands of all time

[@losyart]

For me its a bet pot on river and probably fold to a jam . As played i can see only2 hands which beating us which is 77 and KJ which both should raise atsome point so im jamming allin after river check and his sizing of a bet

[@jeremyburd]

Is that Brett Favre on the thumbnail?

[@danielmeuler2877]

The Villan would have gotten my stack on this hand... Unless the player was a Super Nit and I figured they only call the turn with 2 pair or better. But most likely I am making a large bet on the River.

[@諾帕灣]

Great content ❤️

[@Laf-Adventures]

Can you have the pop up sound effects be quieter than bart while he's talking please.

[@EllieBanks333]

I'm not sure what the issue is here. Caller played the hand nearly perfect [maybe size up a bit on flop as Bart suggested]. He lost about the minimum on a bad beat. This hand would have been more interesting to analyze if hero had made a thin value bet on the river. Villain obviously raises. Now what?

[@1vailchris]

I like a bigger bet on flop and turn. But, yeah, hero lost the minimum here, because V played JJ so poorly. I think I'd probably continue to bet the river, and it would be extremely hard for me to find a fold, even knowing I probably got trapped by JJ, 77, or KJ. At low stakes, most players are going to raise flop or turn with those holdings, rather than let us see a river card that might improve us to a better hand. In the low-stakes player pool, think there are more players who would over-value a worse Kx, or try to rep Kx as a bluff on the river than there are players who will slow-play a flopped set or 2P against the PFR in a multi-way pot.

[@EllieBanks333]

@@1vailchris I don't know about that. I lean bet-fold on this river. There's only 1 king left. Hero is the PFR & *would* *have* been firing a 3rd barrel. Seems like a very poor spot for a bluff from villains perspective. So how often does villain over-value KQ? In your post you said KX might over-value. Replay the hand in your mind & change hero's river action to a bet - is K9 really coming over the top here?

[@1vailchris]

@@EllieBanks333 Up until recently, I was an overly-aggro type player who would frequently triple-barrel for value and with my bluffs. Recently I've been trying to dial it back somewhat, and "let the game come to me" more, which means taking some lines that are much more defensive and conservative than how I used to play, and probably aren't "theoretically optimal". At low stakes, I see a lot of players who think overly-aggro plays will make up for a lack of thinking and patience enough to wait for better hands and better spots. I see more over-plays than slow-plays, and the slow-plays I see tend to be the usual suspects - OMC types, and bad recs. Most players I encounter are too LAG. If I'm hero here, I'm probably betting bigger on flop, bigger on turn, and I could go either way about betting or checking river on the 2nd K. My reasoning is that opponents who got to the river with Jx or some draw that bricked are mostly going to fold when I bet, but some of those hands and worse Kx are going to bet, either as a bluff, or for thin value. They may bluff to try to rep the K, because it's less likely I have Kx. But they're never checking back with any Kx. Whether or not I'd bet or check-call would really depend on my table image and table dynamics leading up to the hand. If I bet, there's also a slight chance someone will raise, and put me to the test. In that spot, even though every instinct I have is going to be screaming that I've been trapped by JJ/77/KJ/K7, it's going to be very hard for me to find the fold, simply because most opponents are 3B'ing pre with JJ, or raising flop with all the hands that beat me, and thus my opponent could still be over-valuing KQ, or just any Kx, or bluffing simply because the 2nd K makes it less likely I have Kx, and I look like a guy who would triple-barrel without a K on that runout, and they think a raise will make me fold AA/QQ. And I'm blocking KJ. I don't know how I could fold to a raise in the games I usually play, unless V is just a total nit who always has it. Even then - he could have KQ or be over-playing Kx. In my last session, I ran unbelievably well for about six hours straight. It was amazing how often opponents over-valued their hands, and would either bet into me or call my jams when I had the nuts. In one multi-way hand, I called a single raise behind 2-3 callers - I was in the straddle with T4o (I know, ridiculous). The flop came TsTc4s (did I mention I was running well?). I slow-played all the way to the river. The turn was an off-suit J, and the river an off-suit K. It obviously occurred to me that I could be up against KT or JT, but when V jammed after I checked the river, I called, and he turned over QT. Had it not occurred to him that I could have KT or JT when he jammed? Had I bet, he probably would have just flat called, and I wouldn't have gotten his whole stack. In another hand, I raised pre with TT, flopped middle set on QT-rag rainbow. Turn was a brick. River was a 5. V check-called flop and turn, then donk-jammed river, and fast-rolled 55, thinking it was a winner. It's the same player pool. The guys who over-value QT on a board of TT4KJ or check-call flop and turn with an under-pair, then jam river when they make bottom set are the same as the guy who is over-valuing Kx here.

[@EllieBanks333]

@@1vailchris As I think I've mentioned previously in talking to you; I play mostly online & in home games. So I rarely play in casinos. After spending some time on CrushLive channel, I get the feeling that I'm facing tougher players than typical low stakes casino players. So maybe that clouds my judgement on what typical players might do that seems foolish. So when I question if someone really comes over the top here with KX.... maybe it's because none of the players I see regularly [and have at least some respect for] would ever do that. There are actually several guys that, when they raise this river, I'm just folding. It's just always KJ or JJ here.

[@1vailchris]

@@EllieBanks333 I recall you saying you mostly play home games. I didn't know you also play online. I've recently played in some really terrible home games, but I mostly only play in casinos here in Philly, and I don't think I'd ever want to play online, if only because I'm better-than-average at reading people when playing live. I vaguely recall you may have said that the home games (and maybe the online games) you play in are higher stakes. Doug Polk has argued that theoretically correct play wins regardless of stakes. Perhaps that's true in the long run, but I find that the player pool in the low-stakes games in the card rooms I play in rewards exploitative deviation from GTO play. All that said, and without running this one through a solver (I don't do solvers), I'd be surprised if a solver would ever fold AK to a river raise, the way this was played. The thing about GTO is that it's based on logic, whether we understand the logic or not. This one seems pretty straight-forward to me. Most V's are raising or 3B'ing JJ pre, at least most of the time. Even if (or maybe especially if) they don't, they're often raising this flop with JJ, to get value from Kx and charge us for our draws. And most are raising flop with KJ/77, and a lot are raising with K7/J7. I think those hands are even more likely to raise if our flop and turn bets are on the smaller side. Because of that, it's hard for me to credit V with a hand that beats us here, unless V just loves to slow-play his flopped sets and top 2P / top & bottom pair, even when we take smaller bet sizing on flop and turn. The way this was played prior to the river, if we bet river, and get raised, I think it's worth considering what hands V might over-value or bluff with, before we just fold, and what hands we have in our range that take our line. Are we going to bet this river with AA/QQ? I'd say no, we'd check those hands when top card on board gets paired on the river, because V has so much Kx in his range. Are we never checking KK/JJ (or KJ, or K7), to induce a bluff or worse hand to bet? I'd say we can check sometimes with those hands, to protect our river checking range. Outside of KK/JJ/KJ/K7, AK is pretty far up in our range that takes this line. If we take the same line with any other Kx hands that aren't boats, like KQ, then I think maybe there's a GTO solution that says we fold KQ, because V could also have AKo in addition to the hands above, but call with AK because it beats all other Kx that aren't KJ/K7, which we block by having the K in our own hand, perhaps especially when we take into account the suits and blocker effects. If V only has KJs or K7s, that's 1 combo of each of those. Otherwise, we're only losing to slow-played flopped sets that are now over-plays on the river (because JJ/77 loses to KK/KJ/K7s). I think your bet-fold line is probably also exploitatively deviating from GTO, but the deviation is based on your confidence about how people play in your player pool. Nothing wrong with your bet-fold line if you know the player pool is more likely to slow-play their flopped sets than to over-play Kx. I like a check-call line on the river because the pool I'm in is overly-aggro, especially when checked-to on nut-changing run-outs.

[@drewc771]

I'm in knoxville, was thinking about heading out to Cherokee one day, myself. Any1 played at harrah's in Cherokee, have any thoughts on it?

[@terriblebhop]

I live in Ohio but have a family place in gatlinburg. I have visited harrahs Cherokee a couple times for their WSOP circuit events. It’s a large room and it’s well ran. During the wsop the action was great on the cash games.

[@jakeminer8503]

cherokee isnt worth the drive tbh, plenty of good home games

[@jameslowery3498]

Im from Chattanooga Tn and I've always wondered how Cherokee was to play at. Hard to find good ran home games in Chattanooga.

[@1vailchris]

V lost value by not 3B'ing pre with JJ. This hand could have gotten stacks in by the river.

[@danielmeuler2877]

typical of low stakes players. Always slow playing when they hit monsters because they think they are smart. I used to play like this. So many people check the flop when they hit paydirt or they LOVE the Check Raise. But I think blasting on the Flop when you smack your hand is the best way to get value in low stakes. Fish HATE folding draws. If you are check calling with plans to Check raise the River is the move at low stakes but by that time your only getting called if they hit their Draw.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

⁠@@danielmeuler2877yeah I’ve got a friend who always limp-calls AA preflop and thinks he’s so smart when he flip them over and wins a mid-size pot. And then of course always rants when they get cracked and he loses his stack.

[@1vailchris]

@@danielmeuler2877 Agreed. A lot of low stakes players love to slow play. That, or they just don't know how to get max value for their hands. Here, with the V having position, he can 3B with JJ and call a 4B with these stack sizes, as long as the 4B isn't all-in. Especially when hero makes it $20 over two limpers and V still has the blinds to think about. He could 3B to $60 or $80. That drives out the blinds and limpers. Hero either flats, or if hero 4B's, he might make it $150-$240. JJ on the BTN can call and see a flop. The pot will be $350-$500, with $500-$650 behind. If hero has KK, so be it. JJ should want to get stacks in on the flop, and if they don't, he should be jamming river.

[@1vailchris]

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj In some loose "everyone is calling the raise" type games, and at certain stack depths, I'll have a limp-3B range from EP that includes AA/KK/AK and A5s. I do it when the 4B size is going to be all-in. Like, in 1/3 with $500 effective stacks, if the typical open is 15, and the 3B is 45-60, there's not enough stack depth left behind to 4B with a ~3x sizing and not pot commit yourself. I like the limp-3B line to put max pressure on the original opener (especially if he got any callers before it gets back to me), rather than open in EP and have multiple people flat call with ranges that are too wide for me to effectively card-read post-flop. But doing that is risking that no one will raise, and I'll be playing a multi-way pot OOP. Sometimes it works out when someone opens with a strong enough hand to 4B jam and I can snap them off, or when I can get heads-up after the original raiser is the only one to call my 3B. But sometimes no one raises, and I'll have to play the rest of the hand very defensively if I don't catch an A. I'm never doing that with 99-QQ, though, when an A or K is going to come on the flop 40% of the time.

[@EllieBanks333]

I was hoping your post would give a view of the river. 💋

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

This is a mandatory bet on the river.

[@Nikkithedog-t6b]

It's a mandatory bluff depending on the personality and habits of the villain, something we know nothing about.

[@nuklearwinter2892]

Without seeing the results on the river it’s either a snap call or a value shove and I’d lean towards check shoving all in. The only hesitation I would have is that V’s calling range is only KQ and KT and some better players might 3bet those hands preflop. V could have 77 and KJ given the lack of flush draws on the turn, as well as it being heads up and V has position. Nonetheless I would rather bet myself for $200-350 on the river given how passive the V has been, they likely won’t bluff QT or 9T if checked to but may call AJ and certainly all Kx hands. Interesting hand either way.

[@1vailchris]

I'd think KJ and 77 are raising flop to get value from hero's AK/KQ/QT/AJ/QJ combos. As played, I like a bigger bet on turn, to get value from some of V's worse Kx, Jx and QT/T9 combos. Either way, I also like a 2/3 pot v-bet on the river, and unless I know V's tendencies very well, I'm snap calling if he raises.

[@EllieBanks333]

You want to jam on the river here? That's crazy.

[@nuklearwinter2892]

@@EllieBanks333 you have to really know the player well I’d say. In this instance we are at the top of our range and hands that beat us would have to play uncommon lines. That’s why you still need to know the player before shoving as played.

[@EllieBanks333]

@@nuklearwinter2892 Well, you can always "play the player" if you have a solid read of your villain. The read we did get from the caller is that button was one of the better players at the table. Against a good player; check-jam is a ridiculous river line here.

[@nathansquire591]

Say you go chunky for value (250 into 300) and he jams, can we ever fold?

[@Nikkithedog-t6b]

Depends on the opponent, but generally no.

[@danielmeuler2877]

depends on the player but probably not folding. If it is the old lady who NEVER raises unless they have the Absolute Nuts? Then I'm making a Grumbling Fold. But that would be the only way.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

I’m never loving it but with pot odds you have to call unless V is a known nit.

[@1vailchris]

As played, no, I don't think we can ever fold if we continue to barrel the river and V jams. We're blocking KJ, and it's unlikely V has JJ/77. V can have enough Kx in his range to do this, or could just be jamming because the appearance of the second K on the river makes it less likely we have a K, so V thinks he's raising for value with Jx, or he could be bluffing with QT.

[@pot_kivach160]

yes, we can. I like the no-bluff approach, rationale. What is he bluffing with? QT? That's it. SO: if there are no bluffs left, then it is nuts and therefore - fold.

[@MrJamberee]

These hands are not able to convey the texture of the game. It’s ok for general advice, but other good players might well observe something in the hand that changes completely how the hand should be played

[@edmubarek5168]

You don't see anyone folding Jacks on this flop, but would you fold Jacks on this flop, given a correctly sized bet?

[@TTTHC]

Can't win if you don't get the cards.

[@Chemissed-qc1bt]

Well done hero lost the minimum...I would play JJ more straightforward and 3B, because if you get 4bet you can still call in position

[@marksimos7549]

Comments help. You’re welcome

[@connorjodon6051]

Sounds like Fedor Holz on the chat lol

[@cryptolocc6200]

Nice thumbnail

[@ts4gv]

this thumbnail 💀

[@Nikkithedog-t6b]

Home game in Tennessee and the villain can't get there with K10 off? Seriously?

[@bradleyhines604]

Nice job not getting stacked. I would definitely get stacked there.

[@TodaysThemeIs]

Wow you got a lot younger in 2024. think you might be the only one

[@uup116]

I don't play by charts and I flat JJ here...

[@tehblogger]

personally I would just overbet jam the river

[@EllieBanks333]

Nice trolling

[@rudenurse2561]

👽

[@stevestrassell9695]

First!

[@R0BACE]

20th

[@ZakFromOhio]

A 15 minute bad beat story

[@brianchassee]

how? this went over all the concepts that went into each decision as well as bart clarifying when he considers it a good move to check-call trips on a river. all you got out of this was the bad beat story?

[@arnoldvosloo220]

If that's all you got out of this, why bother watching this channel?

[@HopyHop1]

It's a cooler. Why do so many people call a hand that's too strong to fold when the opponent has an even stronger hand a "bad beat"? A bad beat is when the chips get in the pot when a player has a favored hand that is drawn out on by the river.

[@EllieBanks333]

@@HopyHop1 Maybe you should google "bad beat in poker". What you're describing is a "suck out".

[@HopyHop1]

@@EllieBanks333 I remember when what is now called a "bad beat" was called a cooler, and the terms "draw out", "suck out", and "bad beat" meant the same thing. I guess whoever writes wiki pages can change definitions.

[@lincolnjeon2666]

too much bet on pre and flop to induce a bluff on river,, i

[@lincolnjeon2666]

loose home gasme kj will call all day.