The Hilarious Failure of Gundam SEED Freedom

[@BigMicahC]

Mockery of any and all Seed fanboys in the comments is 100% approved by me. They are teenage girls after all.

[@Shinnasuka73]

Fr like I saw some mf say the reason you hate this is cause you are a wing fan like what is that logic ☠️

[@draconus999]

@@Shinnasuka73 Fools don't know good fiction.

[@Shinnasuka73]

@@draconus999 fr

[@DomFortress]

Love it, hate it, we're all here for it. Seed simps are no exception, for they outline the rules of what makes bad fictions. Dread it, run from it. Destiny aways arrive. I am inevitable.

[@armoredcorekid]

i want to say something kira has a kill count of like 26 people form seed and destiny i stop counting when he cut a ship in half with the strike freedom meteor and said welp there goes him not killing

[@TheSpawnfan]

I read a Korean novel once where the MC hated women with pink hair, if he saw Agnes, he would immediately tell Kira that she's a traitor, based on the fact she has pink hair. To be fair, women with pink hair always screwed that MC over, so, he has his reasons.

[@Phantom6.6.6]

cant wait to see your take on cross ange

[@m_knight-54]

i will admit compared to gundam it isn't the best but for music, suit designs and battles are still stunning like i cared less about plot and just enjoyed the light show gundam seed freedom brought with the battles also i am honestly thankful we got a z'gok instead of what they originally had planned because they wanted acguy as athrun's suit before z'gok but opted out of acguy due to the popularity of beargguy so they chose z'gok and i adore z'gok in this film and will definitely get it's kit

[@26th_Primarch]

That beam buzzsaw of a shield that Gyan has is fucking epic in how unnecessarily overkill it is.

[@m_knight-54]

@@26th_Primarch same thing with giving it a heat rod, beam axe and chest gattling guns though I do prefer Hilda’s Gyan because the blues and orange make it look unique

[@CaptainJohnRFS8814]

@m_knight-54 the seed series wasn't that bad I just like that the movie is more focused on Kira's problem bringing the main character back, unlike Seed Destiny

[@m_knight-54]

@@CaptainJohnRFS8814 true though I will admit the story has moments where it hits and where it misses only thing for em that wasn’t like that was the ms designs, battles and music

[@goodwind3190]

Go fight space Hitler and his death star was the perfect summary of Seed

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

Ironically, i also hear star wars blaster sound effects

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

LOL, not to reality check you, but you do realize that Gihren Zabi of the original show looked up to Hitler as a powerful leader and that colony lasers in UC are a thing?

[@rcarfang2]

@@wanderingthedesert5599 Death Lasers are a common occurrence in Gundam media. In Wing, White Fang's (pro colony ) battle ship fired off a couple death lasers. IIRC there was a death laser in the 8 episode Unicorn OVA.

[@henriray1440]

Fun Fact: Rie Tanaka (Lacus Clyne's Japanese voice) has stated multiple times, Lacus Clyne is the most stiff and awkward character that she has voiced so far.

[@therebelliousaxel8535]

I can see that. Also didn’t she say that she enjoyed playing Meer more?

[@henriray1440]

Yeah, IIRC Rie Tanaka said Meer was more happy, relatable, and fun for her to voice when compared to Lacus.

[@rcarfang2]

@@therebelliousaxel8535 whose Meer?

[@therebelliousaxel8535]

@@rcarfang2 the Lacus Doppelgänger from Seed Destiny. Who actually help stopping riot with her concerts while the real Lacus did fuck all in Destiny.

[@lukejones7164]

Not surprised 😂

[@billyboleson2830]

My favorite part about the Cosmic Eras reputation is that despite its success in Japan relative to other shows, in the crossovers like Dynasty Warriors and Super robot wars the other characters actively *make fun* of Kira. Master Asia calls him a brat who’s carried by his Gundam cause he has no real skill and the super robot wars characters call him out for his BS and praise Shinn. It’s like the games were made by critics of seed but they knew the series was too popular to not add in Come to think of it SEED is basically what fans of battletech, macross, Armored Core, and VOTOMS who hate Gundam but have never actually seen it THINK Gundam is

[@draconus999]

You are correct.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

Bro you couldn't be more correct with your assessment of SEED being what killed Gundam for a lot of people. For most people who've never seen Gundam but love mecha like Battletech, SEED is pretty much their go to argument against Gundam saying that it's way too melodramatic when it's really just SEED and let's be honest, a lot of what made mecha like Battletech, Armored Core, Macross, VOTOMS, etc. so great very much came from Gundam 0079. It's a shame, but what can you do?

[@DomFortress]

@@mattmaddogwheaton4724 we show them Stardust Memory, and victory laps them because we've got grown up Gundams designed by the same person who designed Battletechs. Reaction warheads? No, we got the balls to call them nukes in Gundams.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

@@DomFortress As the good Lemmy intended my boy.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

@@DomFortress Should also mention that Shoji Kawamori's redesigns for the Battlemechs from Battletech are just SEX! Like imagine a Battletech anime directed by the dude who made Dougram and VOTOMS with the same sense of low-fi futurism that we know and love from Battletech, but with some really bitchin' mech designs by the dude who graced us all with the Variable Fighters from Macross and of course Armored Core. How badass would that be?

[@TheSteakStyles]

Seed really represents everything wrong in the franchise but people will still treat it like some high art when really they just want to see lacus sport camel toe in a space suit

[@TmsFin]

As some who loves freedoms design, and was introduced to anime mostly by gundam seed & destiny... terrible movie, pure nostalgia bait. Cool visuals tho. Altho Hathaway movie has totally set my bar way too high for any new gundam content.

[@Zeiss120]

Hathaway set your bar... That movie was a lot of waste of my time.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

The black knights like like they came straight out of the 00s anime/cg transformers cartoons

[@solastro5595]

Well, UC takes mechanical design to the next level. The physics, inertia and gravity actually work with an actual feeling of weight on the suits. Seed is like super mc with super robots.

[@Blue-Code]

I can respect your opinion, but the Hathaway movie was a bit underwhelming for me, mainly because of Hathaway Noa.

[@TmsFin]

@@Zeiss120 in terms of visual and audio quality, Hathaway is fking amazing. The story and the gundam designs were meh. Should probably have included that.

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

The tragedy of this movie is that it mainly deals with some of Kira's trauma from the end of SEED, but does it four years too late. I thought we were going to get this in Destiny, but nadda. I think that the the material for a good story is there, but it needed more fleshing out and probably a 12 to 13 episode OVA (about 22 minutes per ep) instead of a movie. There's some real serious stuff in there that is just missed. Kira's Savior complex? The root of this is his recurring failure to save people, the first being when Yzak shoots the civilian shuttle, and the second where Rau brutally murders Flay out of sheer spite. Losing your girlfriend like that (even if she was his ex at the point) in that manner would've messed him up and affect his relationships going forward. But that doesn't get the fleshing out it deserves and instead we have Athrun's horny thoughts of Cagalli and Lacus in that..... really weird space playmate getup and the absurdity of the Mighty Strike Freedom. Cool upgrade, not going to lie, but..... come on. The only victory that ever felt "earned" was the end of SEED, and partially because that series was rivaling Zeta and Victory in terms of being a veritable blood bath (until they retconned Mu's death; after that no legacy characters could die).

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

Gundam Seed was good up until the Alaska episode. Kira went full no kill mode and the entire tone of the series completely changed. It doesn't help all the reused stock battle footage that eventually became intolerable. I can't believe Seed and Destiny became so popular in Japan but I guess the VAs and the music was a big part.

[@romanov3937]

Kira started coming off as self-righteous after the Alask episode.

[@eddsrt4604]

Kira imo has the most generic prepubescent voice ever, instead of the 20 year old voice he should have

[@lacanonime3857]

The movie is basically a recycle of the later half of Seed Destiny. The only difference is Shinn is part of the good guys. Otherwise, it's still a show about Kira's hypocrisy on pacifism. He kept yapping about being superior does not give them the right to rule everyone and decide who lives and who dies while being superior himself. His counter arguements only applies to the bad guys but not himself. He abandons his no kill rule and just flat out execute an already defeated enemy just because. All that fake tension in the later part where he gets almost defeated just thrown out the window when he gets mighty strike freedom and end up just another gary stu b.s. no damage run. He even said that the specs of the machine does not determine the strong when he is being taunted by piloting an inferior machine, yet by the end, it's the Mighty SF OP specs that win the battle for him.

[@salamanderred8148]

I guess that's why I still prefer other Gundam Series, like 00 or IBO, or just Stardust Memories. I mean, yeah, Gundam is a powerful suit in its lore, but even then the suit performance also depends on it's pilot. Kira is a Coordinator or whatnot, then they said Athrun is better but somehow they ended up in a draw, with Kira somehow survive point blank explosion with just bits of bandage here and there. Like how? Forget realism, or Real Robots genre, because at that moment it's the pilot that goes Super Pilot, not the Robots (Like Mazinger Z, Getter, Raiden, etc). Though at the same time, Freedom series goes beam spamming with no cooldown is the same as placing Freedom series in Super Robot series, so yes, Freedom is just A super pilot in a super robot placed in Real Robots genre. All the weight of the fight are placed on Freedom and it's beam spam. I mean, even IBO and 00 has it's weight of the fight distributed more fairly. Exia doesn't come out unscathed nor needed no maintenance after every fight, I mean there are moments where Exia is just on standby because it's in no condition to fight, and so did other mech in that series, you can see the effects of the battle and the competency of the enemies reflected by the damage incurred. Freedom? It's in the name, it's always in free mode and ready to fight. Damage? What damage? Only the big last boss worth every penny, the rest are just incompetent pilots, that's not even worth mentioning. PS. Unicorn first battle, when some mech goes against Ksathriya, one of them managed to give her some difficulty, and people are giving that pilot praises. Seed series? Is there even one grunt or normal soldier able to evade his beam spam? It's like there is no single competent soldier even among the masses.

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

​@@salamanderred8148 Agreed, even Barbatos, Gusion, and Flauros got shafted by freaking illegal planet cracking nukes and wasn't left unscathed and they were on the brink of death and destruction. It felt that even powerful demons(ibo) and angels (00) can be damaged, wounded and killable. Not thick plot armor

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

@@salamanderred8148 If we're talking about SEED, the writing is a little bit better, though the execution could've been handled better. When Athrun detonates the Aegis, the Strike still has its phase shift armor activated. Remember, PS armor repels kinetic weaponry like bullets, and bazooka rounds, but not beam weapons. So the Strike would be protected against exploding shrapnel and the force of the explosion (though it most likely depleted what was left of the battery). As for Kira surviving the heat from the blast? I think there are two different theories: Kira was able to jump out of the Strike and seek cover (he's not melted in the cockpit which we do see later, so this is plausible). With that said, he would still be partially exposed to the intense heat. Something to consider, back when the Archangel recovered the Strike from atmospheric reentry, it was stated that the radiation in the cockpit would've killed a natural, whereas Kira was sick. They are careful to point out its because of his genes due to being a Coordinator. And before I'm accused of this being an asspull, just remember, Dearka and Yzak ALSO entered the atmosphere in the Buster and Duel Gundams and they weren't equipped with the Aile Striker pack that Kira had. As for as the Freedom being overpowered with the exception of fighting Rau Le Creuset's Providence Gundam? There are plenty of instances where Kira was being overwhelmed, primarily by the EA Extended pilots in Calamity, Forbidden,and Raider. True, the Freedom surpassed any of the grunt mobile suits, but consider this: Kira had the element of surprise where most pilots were distracted fighting other people, and the Freedom itself surpassed the 1st Generation GAT-series Gundams. However, even Kira could still be overwhelmed. We only really saw him fight Yzak one on one in the Freedom once, whereas the Extended pilots are ganging up on him and on the verge of defeating him several times until Athrun comes over and saves his bacon / lends assistance. But the Freedom was damaged in battle when attempting to retrieve the escape pod that Flay Alster was on when intercepted by Calamity (I think). Honestly as far as I'm concerned, Athrun was still the better pilot throughtout the original series of SEED. Kira may be the Ultimate Coordinator, but it's largely dependent on self-actualization of that potential. This was mentioned sometime early in the first half / quarter of the series. Now if you want to get on beyond SEED and into Destiny....... that's another story entirely.

[@Zero_Tester]

@@salamanderred8148 Freedom isnt Super robot unlike 00 whom has alien,mc with supernatural magic(alien as a rule that should never be breached as Gundam series but they still did it to become a fully fledged Super Robot show) God i wish the Gundam community isnt full of fake tourist who make this dumb takes all time

[@setsunafseiei4745]

I kinda wish we got more Stuff like Gundam Stargazer

[@Jun-kun-iu4ls]

The part that triggers me the most is why the fuck are you putting nukes on a fucking anti-aircraft missile truck

[@drakes4471]

Was asking myself the same question

[@Jun-kun-iu4ls]

@@drakes4471 yeah putting nukes on a SAM truck is a huge hazard tbh

[@ReKP_]

I liked the part where Shura was freaking out after being shown a naked projection of Cagalli by Athrun. It has great potential, rivaling Kaiba's defeat meme.

[@douggoins2960]

That was funny. Every time I watch that part,it makes me laugh

[@_gungrave_6802]

That power of love part is cringe and the only time its ever worked is in G Gundam because at least in that its a campy as fuck show that you never take seriously anyway.

[@billyboleson2830]

Master Asias death hit me harder then anythign in SEED ever did lmao

[@Jetix34]

@@billyboleson2830Yeah seconded, Master Asia dying hit way harder than…. “NICOL WAS FIFTEEN! AND HE LOVED THE PIANO!”

[@solastro5595]

Man, the romance drama and ntr in seed 😂. G gundam amazing.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

​@@solastro5595still can't topped the worst NTR of all gundam franchise, Nina purpleton 😂

[@DomFortress]

@@trollinoakenshield9822 shut up and eat your carrots.🙃

[@K7TZ]

As a thrashy seed fan, i wish the villains was more competent like the og seed. Theyre psychics but suck at it so badly at the end once team kira knows.

[@Simon-hz7jl]

To me it’s the opposite. SEED already has great antagonists in Rau and Durandal so instead of creating a compelling villain for a 2 hr movie, they fleshed out the 3 main characters in a satisfying way.

[@chettmanly1876]

If I remember right, Fukuda said in an interview after Seed that Mu and Rau were supposed to be the only newtypes left in the CE timeline. Then Destiny comes around and during the final battle Kira starts having newtype flashes for no reason. Fukuda couldn't let his Mary-su characters be upstaged on any abilities.

[@AzraelThanatos]

Yeah, I remember there being a lot of things with it about how a chunk of it was that the development of the Coordinators meant that Newtypes wouldn't be fully developing in the aftermath, especially with the massacres where anyone that was a half decent pilot was likely dead already by the end of SEED.

[@laynie520]

No, there are no new type in CE. Those flashes are just dangerous alert. The only evolution is the seed factor.

[@Chrizinator]

@@chettmanly1876 also Shinn is now a Newtype.

[@Simon-hz7jl]

I think GSF wrapped Kira’s story nicely well and also loved how goofy it is. Reminded me of old super robot anime where the power of love and combining conquers all.

[@NZP208]

I mean, the mighty strike freedom is almost a super robot

[@clo8076]

@@NZP208lol And Destiny Spec II is LITERALLY a super robot.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

Maybe cuz Fukuda early work were mostly super robot

[@GrandTourFigures]

I AM NOT A LIL TEENAGE GIRL 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fire vid🔥

[@Splitz_66]

The video already reached twitter, lol

[@shanekarazuki]

I personally liked the movie as I do like SEED as it was my entrance to Gundam. Thank god it was because I recognize how much of a mess it is compared anything else in the universe. Every character is god awful in their own special way and mecha designs and cool fights were always the hard carry to me. I can see what they were trying to do this movie in rectifying broken writing. But ultimately it still ended up being an entertaining nostalgia film over anything substantial.

[@janarcangel49]

There's no fixing the damage Seed Destiny made to the CE timeline.

[@BigMicahC]

This is the single most honest comment from someone who enjoys this. You get a heart.

[@strategicperson95]

12:20 idk, I feel like that seating system was more popularized from Code Geass. On one hand at least that motorcycle seating arrangement applied to all Black Knight pilots male and female. On the other hand you weren't getting booty shots on the guys like you were with the girls.

[@Revenge221]

100%. Geass really solidfied that "motorcycle" styled cockpit.

[@NZP208]

It has to be code geass

[@teddyriggs1305]

Eh Super Robot Wars could always fix this mess

[@mitchellalexander9162]

You know that's Probably coming right alongside Witch from Mercury in the Next Mainline Game that isn't an iPhone app.

[@alexkogan9755]

SEED is the Bayformers of the Gundam franchise. Makes a lot of yen, has cool mobile suits, but most of the characters and the universe they inhabit are atrocious. Also I love Fairy Tail, Edens Zero also. But Gundam Seed is just a pretentious twat-waffle of a series.

[@dereenaldoambun9158]

As a Bayformers fan, this summed it up pretty well. 😂😂😂 Super gorgeous designs, absolute trash plots.

[@adlibbed2138]

more like, Fast and Furious movies, particularly the newer ones

[@Iridium-77-g]

Yeah, love me some Lord Astray Omega, but the actual story, world building and characters writting is godawful.

[@pandagamer-hg5be]

And much like with bayformers, the only redeemable aspects of the story are found in the first entry and a spin off that was trying something different

[@alexkogan9755]

@@pandagamer-hg5be the Stargazer OVA is legitimately the best entry minus the criminally short length.

[@Inufan337]

I love parts of SEED, which is a reason I hate so much else about it. There's the framework of a REALLY good series there, but it's buried under 20 tons of stupid bullshit. Base SEED was... fine enough I guess... Destiny was a dumpsterfire, and GSF is pure nostalgia bait for $$.

[@alfianfahmi5430]

Let's be honest. As much of a trashy the SEED Freedom was, it was _much_ better than some of the worst garbage Disney/MCU shiets nowadays (e.g. Star Wars Acolyte, The Marvels and Wish) 😂🤣

[@adlibbed2138]

hell, SEED Freedom has better romcom elements than fawken Rental Kanojo & Roshidere put together calling these two peak romcom is an insult to actual kick-ass, no nonsense romcoms like OtoTenshi, Our Dating Story, & Gijiharem when it comes to modern offerings

[@alfianfahmi5430]

​​@@adlibbed2138 All I can think of the entirety of the "main" Gundam SEED series (SEED, Destiny, and Freedom), is that it's a Twilight-ish Gundam fanfic made by Mr. Fukuda and Mrs. Morisawa just for fun of it 😂🤣 At the very least, SEED is much less of a travesty than Star Wars Acolyte. That $heit is insulting 💀☠️

[@Blue-Code]

For me, I don't expect perfect writing from anything SEED related (except Stargazer and Astray) and would set my bar lower than what a person expect from a good Gundam series. I may get hate for this, but overall I liked SEED Freedom, it's not a well written masterpiece of a movie but I enjoyed it. It still has a bad plot, a literal Embryo clone, Lacus is still underwhelming as a character, relies on nostalgia like what WFM did, the Black Knights (except maybe Ingrid) are one note jokes, same goes for Agnes and Kira still has some plot armor. But SEED Freedom mainly has some good points as well, mainly on how Kira's character was handled and making his actions in Destiny make sense, it was satisfying to see Kira taking a lot of L's until the Proud Defender came and showed some needed vulnerability. Another reason I liked the movie is that it redeemed Shinn, after years of being trashed on by the fandom, he finally gets a moment to shine by destroying the Black Knights and stopping thier version of the Destiny Plan, basically a redemption of what he did during Destiny. And finally I enjoyed seeing Athrun beating up Kira and made the Z'Gok one of my favorite grunt MS. All of this is my opinion of course and I can totally respect those who don't like SEED Freedom or disagree with my opinion. At the end of the day there is always going to be a Gundam Series some people like and some people hate that we need to respect.

[@DomFortress]

@@Blue-Code but does it has to be a featured film animation format, or any other fanfic medium would do? To set your bar so low in order to justify a feature film animation production and theatrical screenings can only imply that you're both a defeatist and an apologist, that's not you earning respect, it's instead you enacting tokenism while bagging for mercy.

[@Blue-Code]

​@@DomFortress I honestly don't care on how SEED Freedom was presented, I would have also been fine if SEED Freedom was also shown as a series but a movie is fine as well. And the reason I even set my bar lower in SEED Freedom is because I already Watched SEED, SEED Destiny and Stargazer, with Stargazer being the best, SEED being good at best (carried by Rau, Ramius and Mu) and SEED Destiny being absolute garbage.

[@DomFortress]

@@Blue-Code so you would still make some sorta attempt to redeem SEED, even though you know damn well that series alone was carried by Kira, not by any other characters you mentioned. The proof is that SEED Destiny did an 180 on its plot and ditched Shin's development, the moment Kira showed up at the orphanage. And did any of those characters you mentioned made any meaningful contribution during the movie? Just to be clear, your "changing the goal post" by yourself highlighting other characters,had just made the movie failed to your own standards as well. Pathetic.

[@Blue-Code]

@@DomFortress SEED series was never carried by Kira. The reason Kira became the protagonist in Destiny during the second half is because the writer has beef with Cagali's old VA and Shinn's VA. They didn't do it because of favoritism for Kira. And the characters I mentioned (Rau, Mu and Ramius) only carried SEED, not SEED Freedom. SEED Freedom was carried by Shinn and Athrun, especially after I mentioned Kira taking multiple L's until the Proud Defender came.

[@DomFortress]

@@Blue-Code you just said in your original post that those L's on Kira showed his vulnerable side, thus was a strength for this movie. Yet here you are lying outta you ass, saying how the movie was carried by other characters not Kira, even though the entire review plus spoilers would suggest otherwise. Pathetic.

[@wolvez28]

Im ngl I probably agree with most of what you have to say but I had to stop watching like a minute in. The general pertentious attitude with the syllable comment or acting like a gundam seed fan could have no idea what the word fiscal meant. Or just the general objectivist view of what "good" is. Movie wasnt totally amazing plotwise. Had some good giant mech fight in space scenes. Made tons of money. The world keeps moving.

[@MaddJakd]

I did film school too. Writing was shoved down our throats first and all the way through, but I aint about to sit here and bludgeon something made by folk sitting way above me the way he does 😂

[@TheMegamaster44]

seed was good and freedom was mostly a conveyance for the mech battles and we don't talk about destiny imo

[@sickosl1me]

The way I would describe Gundam Seed as a whole is Brainrot. If you just shut off your brain and enjoy the pew pew spam, then it could be a great thing to watch. If you decide to watch it for plot and characters however, well you are going to have a long and painful time

[@CaptainJohnRFS8814]

some do get what the real meaning it is to Seed

[@dol_mel7487]

Idk how you could watch Gundam seed & genuinely think that.

[@chheinrich8486]

Thats exactly my point of view when watching this show

[@Chrizinator]

As someone who is not a Seed fan I did enjoy this movie for being fun in a trashy way. That being said… While I am glad that Shinn got a good showing at the end, the rest of the movie treats him like a joke. He never gets his rematch with Shura and every serious moment with him is punctuated with a joke at his expense. Even when kicking butt, the characters all point out how stupid he is. While Cagalli doesn’t get disrespected here like in Destiny she has little to no role at all, and the fact that her original VA was replaced is very telling. There were so many opportunities for potential characterization but we never get that. We never know what the Archangel crews relationship with the ex-Minerva crew is like aside from being fellow soldiers. Are they even friends? Because it doesn’t seem like that. we never see Luna and Meyrin interact despite being sisters. The Black Knights are no different than the Druggies or the Phantom Pain trio in terms of personality. I am glad we get to see some fruits of The Destiny Plan instead of it being merely a vague proposal, but now I’m wondering why Aura is able to reverse her aging without any issues when it was such an issue for Rau and Rey. Why didn’t the Akatsuki just go through the shield and destroy Requiem like it did last time? Andy gets a voiceless blink-and-you-miss-it cameo and that’s it. He should’ve never come back in the first place. It’s hilarious how irrelevant Kira’s Heliopolis friends are despite being his reason for fighting all the way back in the first Seed. This movie was entertaining and as a reunion film it mostly works, but in terms of character and story it is sorely lacking, and I wasn’t even expecting much. Before anyone says “it happened in the drama CD/ Fukuda mentioned it in an interview”, if it didn’t happen on screen then it didn’t happen at all.

[@Blue-Code]

TBF with Sven, he did show more development at the end of Stargazer than with any of the Black Knights.

[@Chrizinator]

@@Blue-Code sorry I should clarify, the Phantom Pain kids from Destiny.

[@FlameKing91]

Gundam Seed is a show for Korean women wanting a new soap opera. Real Gundam men want the Sentinel Movie. 😏

[@Shinnasuka73]

And we want animated crossbone

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

And some of us want Calamity War with Skynet AI mobile armors and other demon gundam frames

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

@@Shinnasuka73 eh... I don't about that. I mean, I too wish F91 was made into a proper series rather than the mess of a movie that it is, but I've heard mixed things on Crossbone manga where its a bit silly at times.

[@Squiggles01]

I wish for 00 side stories as well, but I feel like Sentinel and Crossbone should get in first because they are pretty awesome! Though along side the X1 and Ex-S should be the Anchor and the Phantom!

[@MrDrMedicBag]

fuck sentinel, give me a proper Blue Destiny OVA. The ONLY good thing from Seed IMO is Astray.

[@leonardojuan92]

If I showed Gundam Seed to my sister she would probably like it because she was a fan of twilight and the Kardashians! But I’m a good brother and I want what’s best for her! XD

[@xvx_K1r1t0_xvx_killmeee]

Show her IBO instead.

[@leonardojuan92]

@@xvx_K1r1t0_xvx_killmeee I think she would like that but I think she would like 00 more.

[@chris2ndaccount69]

show her the OG UC

[@xvx_K1r1t0_xvx_killmeee]

@@leonardojuan92 fair enough

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

​@@xvx_K1r1t0_xvx_killmeee The gundam series that puts crimes against children on their sleeve's

[@russellsales7796]

Here is hoping the review stays up this time. 😅🙏

[@skydude2529]

The movie had a high "stupid factor" as my family likes to say about these things, but it was a lot of dumb-fun and I enjoyed it despite those problems. It's miles better than the last third of Destiny (which was painful-bad), and basically everything with Shinn is great. It's kinda bad but I liked it because it was fun, and a step up from Destiny.

[@TheSpawnfan]

Ah, yes, "Team Jacob and Team Other Guy" the struggle of every Twilight movie.

[@TheUndersigned]

My favorite part of this movie: The reveal that you can do gene therapy to become a coordinator post-birth. Bravo, Fukuda. Bravo.

[@delanonovrilianto8371]

Don't know bro :( but as seed fans this film is make me little dissappoint :( The concept is good.. they should be able to make this film more better..

[@adherentofladycolumbia725]

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[@AstraeaTheReviewer]

Really respect the review you did on Gundam Seed Freedom! I wasn't really a fan of the Seed franchise honestly, but you made a lot of good points! I think the only thing I like about Seed was the kits but the story? Not really. Overall really good review!! Respect! 💯💯

[@CursedShinobiClown]

The Lacus fanservice was actually a bit out of character in a meta since for SEED. Like Lacus Is a basically fanservice character for girls to self insert as to get the pretty boys like Athrun and Kira but she’s never really been portrayed as super sexualized in fanservice until this movie

[@devdeepa7]

I am rather disappointed in the film despite liking some things in it. I would like to see more Gundam Seed if they can make improvements. Although I would be perfectly fine if this is the end of Gundam Seed as I don’t like the creator’s story telling and characters portrayals.

[@Koji_CH92]

You know what’s funny is that if you watch this movie without any of the context of the two shows you will get about as much out of it as someone who did. The plot is half baked and meaningless to begin with

[@overlordzetta7410]

Gundam seed the series that made me angry from watching it. "it's wrong that you think only people who are born speacial should live" "i remembered my birth i was born specail so i can win".......

[@DaimosZ]

To quote WackyModder84 "Take Me Down to the Asspull City/Where the writing's trash but the fights are preeetty!/Ohhh won't you pleeeasse taaake me hoooome!!"

[@BioMega96]

Honestly the more I hear of Kira and his role in seed, the more I'm reminded of the MC from SAO. And reminding folks of SAO ain't exactly the best thing to do. (But to be honest, seed as a whole feels like the bayformers franchise reception, the first part can at least be debated on it whether its fine or not, subsequent stuff (mostly Seed Destiny and freedom, unsure about the side manga and stuff) not so much. Maybe good concepts there but really poor execution. Really only thing that caught my eye in freedom was the Gyanstrom, kinda fan of the Gyan so yeah i like that suit. Not much else interested me. Still need to finish some of the other gundam series ive had on the back burner. Also the air ride footage part had me chuckle a bit. Very great editing there. Another good video micah. Keep up the good work.

[@adrian_veidt]

It's an unintentional funny movie. It's shit next to other better written and directed Gundam movies/Ovas. I'm pissed off we still haven't heard part 2 of Hathaway flash.

[@hb2057]

This is the video I was looking for- Well, I think Mitsuyo Fukuda proved that back in the day. It wasn’t just his wife getting sick that prevented his show from being well. This movie had every single problem that the series GSD in particular had in SCORES - don’t even know where to begin, but at least they emasculated shin so early in the movie you didn’t have to think about it again

[@Zeiss120]

It's ok. Makes me wonder about the tech and how they forgot or changed the way things worked in this universe. Been told many times in groups, but I still don't feel like that's how it should have been. Hate the Black Knights suit design.

[@janarcangel49]

I enjoyed it for what it is: a comedic popcorn flick rather than a serious one. It does nothing to save or fix what already is a fubar'd series that is Seed/Seed Destiny though. lol.

[@drakes4471]

I loved Seed and destiny but Seed Freedom was beyond horrible. It felt like i was watching a netorare comedy peice which was not funny. I had to force myself to finish the movie. It was a real struggle.

[@hashimalz]

I clicked on the movie when it was posted on a certain anime site and went right it away to the last battle. When Athuran thought of Cagali when he was fighting the bad guy which led him scream in terror had me dying lmao

[@LegendaryOverfiend]

Correction, Narutos fanbase is teen white girls but MOSTLY Black Guys who watched the show on toonami. Also fun fact Fukuda wanted to have a scene where Kira dreams of assaulting Lacus so yeah

[@henriray1440]

Also, before I forget: Fukuda: Made Grendizer U, but SIDELINED Duke Fleed and Grendizer in his own show, and made Kouji Kabuto and Mazinger X his new Kira and Freedom Expy. From even a Mazinger Z fan's point of view that is not cool, Fukuda. Plus, Kouji Kabuto is not Kira, he is so much more cooler than that Gary Stu, and does not deserve the character bastardization. Neither does Duke for that matter.

[@Chrizinator]

No way! Are you serious?! He can’t keep getting away with this!

[@clo8076]

I fully admit the characters and plot line are terrible. BUT, I like some of the Mecha design, which is the only reason I watched. Hoping for good combat scenes. Lol

[@sergjim2377]

The astray line is one of my favorites, including the duel and strike nior other than that everything else in mid

[@Ldad27]

This movie was so bad it’s hilarious. Completely insane fanfic levels, it essentially becomes a super robot anime starring the seed cast. I loved it, it’s the epitome of everything wrong with Gundam Seed.

[@batkinson001]

great review, haven't laughed my ass off in a while. Thanks, I needed that.

[@astray593]

Just to state, I am a Seed and Seed Destiny fan as this was one of my introductions to the Gundam series during middle school. Funny, I know, teenager I was when I watched this. At first to me, it was a good show as I loved the fighting and mobile suit designs. I think everything started to click when I watched videos like these and opinions from other Gundam fans. Reconfiguring my standpoint again, it's in the middle, not good or bad. One thing for sure, do not compare it to Code Geass, haha. Code Geass to many or some was the best mecha series along with drama hand to hand. A piece that which many could look up to, but unfortunately, the greatest arts are just forgotten these days. Kira at first was likeable, but as I grew, he isn't that likeable when you HAVE SHINN ASUKA. I really wanted Shinn to have the redemption, I genuinely thought the greatest along with Athrun out of the Seed series. I am glad to see Shinn in this movie, and to see the Destiny again, I was just excited as heck. I think you have a good critique, possibly a few things I disagree. But hey, in the end, it's just opinions. You have a love and care for Gundam, and I think that's something to cherish when making content. Keep it up, not many will understand, but your love for production and Gundam is one to salute for!

[@algis-kun8777]

Man i didnt like the seed timeline but this movie is the perfect embodiment of why I hate the plot and the setting but I like the MS design of most of its original designs.

[@johnsc17]

Just started gundam thunderbolt season 2 and it still tops gundam seed

[@ThorneStark]

I am an age fan but I think it's unfairly hated

[@spartantraveler7251]

It is somewhat childish but with actual good character development and fight scenes. The enemy suit design is unique too. Kio doing that no killing thing is very reasonable and develops well since he's a kid who was raised by a Vagan hating grandfather and knows that Vagans aren't monsters later.

[@ThorneStark]

@@spartantraveler7251 not to mention that the war removed his father for most of his life

[@spartantraveler7251]

@@ThorneStark especially since they revealed that Asemu wasn't a deadbeat, he just wanted to make sure one side didn't annihilate the other until a solution could be found.

[@mitchellalexander9162]

Can't most of AGE's problems be explained by 'Too Compressed' considering that was supposed to be an RPG UC Tribute or no?

[@brianwalsh1339]

Literally the only likable protagonist in the cosmic era is Lowe Guele, and that’s because he isn’t a pretentious, whiny dork. He’s just a guy who’s good at machines and lucked out in finding a kickass mobile suit.

[@Shinnasuka73]

Lowe is the GOAT

[@brianwalsh1339]

@@Shinnasuka73he really is. And the Red Frame kicks ass.

[@Shinnasuka73]

@@brianwalsh1339 fr, i may love shinn and think he was done dirty in the 2nd half of destiny and seed freedom but lowe is just the goat man

[@brianwalsh1339]

@@Shinnasuka73it’s sad when the dude who, outside of his expertise with machines, is basically a normal dude is the best part of a fuckin sci-fi series.

[@Blue-Code]

What about Sven and Selene from Stargazer?

[@MAzK001]

To be fair, when i watched it in theater, most people seemed to be aware that it's for nostalgia and that the movie was in fact pretty hilarious. Is it dumb? Yes. But did I enjoy myself? Also yes. They can't really make a serious movie when the base material (SEED and SEED Destiny) is pretty bad so yeah. Watch it if you want to laugh at something. If you want plot, there's plenty of other gundam series that do it properly.

[@matt2centerback]

Don't give half a shit about SEED but my god the Gyan Strom is one of the coolest redesigns of the Gyan ever. Fucking love it.

[@rcarfang2]

I didn't like that the plot turned into a "save the princess" plot and that the main bad guy Orphee annihilated two countries because Lacrus Clyne would rather date Kira than him. The Black knights had a Super Newtype mind control power that they used to make Kira attack random soldiers. Yet in the last part of the movie, the black knights never used that mind control power again. The movie was a repeat of the last episode of Gundam Seed Destiny except with a working Death Laser. And the struggles of the characters are trying to get laid. Agnes betrayed COMPASS because Kira rejected her. People who watched Seed/Destiny already know that Kira and Lacus are a couple. Why did we need another plot that says Kira and Lacus are a couple?

[@drakes4471]

Agreed 100%

[@tristanknoop-bender9077]

It was the first movie to ever make a freedillion dollars and win every single Oscar ever. The Bamco execution squad is on the way. Goodbye, Micah.

[@MaddJakd]

This. Surprised they didn't off him the first time honestly 😂 Narratively right or not, you don't touch Japan's darlings and get away unscathed usually. They mist be busy or something

[@beefueater4586]

I like it. But it's just my cope since I hated gwitch and I want to forget about it instantly.

[@draconus999]

Go rewatch Wing, or G Gundam, aka good Gundam shows.

[@najlitarvan921]

​@@draconus999wing has it's own share of issues and g gundam is a sfar from conventional gundam as youget, it is not for everyone

[@dexktop_430]

​@@draconus999 wing is mid....

[@akhdannaufaldy1693]

Gundam Seed's MS designs: 👍 Gundam Seed's main story (s1 until movie): 👎🤢🤮 Gundam Seed's Side stories: 👍 Its so ironic that the side stories are better than the main story is pretty much self explanatory.

[@goodwind3190]

@@akhdannaufaldy1693 I always liked the mech designs and the soundtrack to Seed but everything else is..... meh

[@DomFortress]

@@akhdannaufaldy1693 Lowe Gear and the junk Guild worked because Judau and his homies from Double Zeta sat the bar.

[@Revenge221]

True though. The side stories are all pretty good. The Cosmic Era setting itself is really interesting. A shame we see so little of it past the timeline.

[@janarcangel49]

I will always hold the belief that Stagazer should've been a full length anime series instead of animated shorts. Astray should've also had a full length OVA/Movie instead of shorts.

[@DomFortress]

@@janarcangel49 oh no! That would actually introduce brainrot SEED fans to decent characters developments! How can Bandai then make money off their stunted growth and degeneracy?

[@emmetfeely7760]

Oh my god, you manage to upload your' review. Congrats man! 👍

[@RikkudoSennin6]

I'm so glad I didn't watch this. I saw Lacus floating into the Freedom with a pretty space suit and I was like: Nah. This ain't for me. LOL

[@CaptainJohnRFS8814]

I went hell yeah I've never seen her going out to battles like that and not stay in the ship

[@UMIF001]

As a Seed fan, the movie was peak but I knew a lot of people gonna hate the movie lol

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

Peak fan service

[@TheSpawnfan]

Oh, no, not the NTR, those fiends!

[@adobongugh5279]

This may be out off the topic but I hope the next A.U Gundam will be made by Armored Core V people.

[@anthonywalker6268]

"Did no one ask!" "Yes" This is without even watching the video.

[@Dottorilla]

Wing fan (derogatory)

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

they're call "wingers".

[@Shinnasuka73]

@@wanderingthedesert5599”wingers” 😭🙏

[@ShagShaggio]

Woo thanks for getting this back up! Great video! Cheers!

[@flyaway6671]

It should have been a love letter to OG fans who are now in their 30s at least. Cut out all the forced drama situations and give us slice of life updates for the established characters. The fights should have been more tactical and slower paced than just power and multi targeting winning the day. I've been bored of the nuclear powered machine destroying everything after it was first used in S1.

[@AG-en5y]

I'm not gonna lie. I loved seed and yes i admit the romance in it was part of my love and yes i admit im a lil teen girl deep down

[@TheAlterspark]

So bad it's good sounds like an accurate description of this film lol.

[@longloco1]

I had fun, it was dumb but fun

[@Nuwa_San]

I was cringing so much while watching this movie. It frustrated me so much how stupid the plot is. At least it is somewhat entertaining and the battle scene is quite badass.

[@rcarfang2]

The good things about Seed is its OST (openings and endings), its animation, and the freedom gundam design. I was beginning to rewatch Gundam seed but then I switched to binge rewatching Gundam wing 😝😝😝. It doesn’t have the “there’s good Guys on all sides of the conflict” theme that other Gundam shows have. Char, Trieze, Melliado “Zechs” Peacecraft were antagonists but they weren’t evil. Char went off the rails after his love interest was accidentally killed by the protagonist Amuro. Zechs and Treize wanted to stop blood shed by creating a war so bloody and awful no one would ever try to start a conflict again. In contrast, the Seed antags are actually villains who want to destroy because they are evil. The protagonist are the good guys cause they stop the evil villains. So Seed is like transformers except that the humans are piloting the robots instead of the robots being alive.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

That's why seed villains are boring.

[@NZP208]

The original seed was fine honestly, everything after that...not so much. Except astray

[@acetraker1988]

I would like to see your takes on Gundam AGE, it is unique compared to other shows, as the premiss follows a family line of 3 generations responding to the same ongoing war. Some people prob would prefer IBO before that, however I would meme that way more as basically Attack On Titan if it were a K-Pop Boy Band....It is not really a Gundam show in my opinion. If you meme SEED as being twilight of the Gundam, IBO is hot dudes go on a road trip through space...

[@draconus999]

SEED fans: Unable to handle being told they have a bad take. The REST of Gundam's fanbase: Talks good and bad points. SEED fans are a silly bunch.

[@R_Caine]

Wufei has a good and simple quip about that.

[@draconus999]

@@R_Caine Yup. To Quote Wufei: Because she's a woman.

[@Shinnasuka73]

Wfm fans also cant handle criticisms well from my experience dealing with them

[@draconus999]

@@Shinnasuka73 those fools just mainline salt.

[@duomaxwell90]

Y'all are getting really bold on getting on the internet and lumping seed fans all together under one umbrella This is extremely weird that people are supporting this kind of talk. Like okay you don't like seed but some people do like it why are y'all so pressed about that though?

[@army310]

Ok so this was my first gundam movie or show I watch in 10 years or 15 years and I was cooking and all could hear was I love him and I love her and I was thinking what the fuck is this this shit, now the kits look cool though.

[@acetraker1988]

Can you also look into doing Aldnoah Zero, an underrated show that needs more people to watch it.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

I know romance in Gundam is kind of a meme but we are like 100 episodes and a movie into this timeline and I still have no idea why Kira and Lacus are a thing. It’s like they put a robot and a plank of wood in a room together and expect them to fall in love. Albeit the movie does the relationship better then the show but still.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

Because they were the avatars of fukuda and his late wife

[@jeevas868]

​@@CursedShinobiClown they're a thing basically because they found themselves fond of each other after finding their wishes regarding their status as people that are involved in a conflict that they don't want to take part in but still need to be on it are basically the same, Kira doesn't wants to fight but forces himself to do so, Lacus doesn't wants to be a leader or to tell people in general what to do Yet it's ZAFT's main idol and later leader of the 3 ship alliance, because of that they found that they could be vulnerable with each other and you know, stuff. Something super interesting Is that fukuda describes it as "they skipped the "Lovers" phase and became a family" Edit: oh, I also forgot to mention that they Also talk a Lot about conflict the Time they're with each other and some personal stuff

[@CursedShinobiClown]

@@jeevas868 oh wow an actual argument and explanation thank you

[@alexchen515]

I'm a fan of the SEED series, but this movie was absolute garbage. The english dub was so fucking cringe.

[@DragonPop64]

😂 , a friend of mine was a fan of the original series and the dialogue in the last 20 minutes of the film drove him crazy. They just escalated the cringe every passing minute , it just never ceases and gets dished out rapidly as the film approaches the conclusion. We were so shocked at how the film went from what we first felt was a flawed but great film , to degenerating so fast into a convoluted shameless dumpster fire😂😂😂😂

[@Skyslayer5]

Bruh don't put seed in the same tier as Inuyasha. That story actually has characters and not cardboard cutouts lol

[@garudagerwalk]

Ah yes, Fan Service the Movie.

[@peterglade1803]

Blonde space H*tler did find someone who loved him... and that was the sword of Kira Yamato's gundam ofcourse.

[@mitchellalexander9162]

Stella turning into a Giant Ghostbusters Monster in a Newtype Flash was kinda stupid.

[@GundamMeister357]

Lmao Agnes is the Temu version of Reccoa Londe.

[@Shinnasuka73]

Whats worse is fukuda is now directing the new grendizer anime so now hes disgracing go nagai 💀

[@Chrizinator]

He can’t keep getting away with this!

[@pauldang7014]

News for SEED simps: being popular doesn't equal good! You can like this all you want, but if you can tell me with a straight face that this is a well-crafted story with compelling characters, there's some swampland in Florida I'd like to sell you. There are many series I like, though I know objectively they are either mediocre or even bad; even so, there's no need for me to justify my likes or dislikes. If you feel the need to justify your like of a series by putting down criticism, however justified it is, and attacking critics directly, you're showing your insecurity! I don't watch a Gundam series to see stuff like Twilight (soap opera melodramatic nonsense), or to quote a SEED lover here, Korean drama. Even the first Gundam series had a cringe cryfest (albeit short, at the end of the episode) at an iconic moment, which was thankfully cut out in the movies. There was too much focus on that in SEED, without any compelling reasons. The time crying was justified heavily was in Victory Gundam; despite its flaws, like boring villains, you could feel the impacts of the deaths there, especially one very gruesome death, and both Uso Ewin and Shakti reacted very realistically!

[@jeevas868]

Honestly the thing Is that your point about "I don't watch Gundam to watch korean drama" Is on itself subjective, it does not means that a show containing those aspects Is bad, it just means that it doesn't fits your prefference on what to watch, which means the show's quality Is unnafected by it. I personally think that an aspect like that can also be incredibly engaging so depending on the person Is on itself a plus. Also, I kind of disagree that the characters on seed don't have compelling reasons to cry, but I would need you to expand on that to argue about it

[@pauldang7014]

@@jeevas868 I mean the constant dwelling on crying. There was the good kind like Zeta and Victory; but what I see from SEED is being too melodramatic, to its detriment. And the show's quality, it's true, isn't necessarily affected by it. But Fukada isn't the one to make that work; I feel he's more suited for Super Robot shows.

[@jeevas868]

@@pauldang7014 honestly in that case I would need you to give me an example of that happening in a negative way because I think that the way the drama Is handled Is actually engaging for the audience. That said, THE FUKUDA THING IS COMPLICATED UHHHH, fukuda Is essentialy a super robot type of guy that is super direct with the audience about what the work on itself Is saying, in the original seed and destiny this isn't as noticeable because the actual writer was Morosawa and she manages her character arcs in ways that aren't as direct (not to say they're the peak of being Subtle but the shows are a Lot about you as an spectator forming your own conclusions, unlike freedom), but honestly I don't think he truly misses the mark

[@pauldang7014]

@@jeevas868 Just because Japan embraces that doesn't means the rest of us do. You think it's good, but I think it quite cringe. I say this, as a person who does love myself romance and stuff like that, but I want substance. You're right that that might be my bias, but I watched my share of stuff like that.

[@jeevas868]

@@pauldang7014 I didn't mentioned japan in this at all, what? But I guess that you get it? Like, if your only argument to it Is that it Is "cringe" to you, then it Is not that it's bad, it's just that it isn't for you, right? Because you do admit that it can be your bias and that

[@bacd-nn2lg]

This is pretty surprising that you are calling out Ukrainian soldiers that are fighting for independence, or even a WW2 US veterans a fanboys, or teenage girls, since Gundam Seed Freedom touches the subjects of how brutal are wars, and war crimes (The Russians are also commited war crimes in Ukraine). But what did you expect from heartless generation that only thinks about itself. Fortunately there are still Americans that truly understand what kind of hell both Ukrainian soldiers, and WW2 US veterans, so God bless those kind of people.

[@andrewkent4762]

can we talk about the female faces

[@spartantraveler7251]

Bro at the start Lacus looks so ugly.

[@Shinnasuka73]

They did my girl luna dirty 😭🙏

[@manat31790]

It's like they have gotten fatter or had several shots of Botox. Seriously, who redesigned these characters?

[@mitchellalexander9162]

0:27 SEE ALSO: Michael Bay's Transformers

[@spartantraveler7251]

Yeah, it's just dumb, horny and awesome. Brain empty enjoy kaboom.