The History of Demons

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Bibliography:
Archie Wright, “Some Observations of Philo’s “De Gigantibus” and Evil Spirits in Second Temple Judaism,” Journal for the Study of Judaism in the Persian, Hellenistic, and Roman Period, Vol. 36, No. 4 (2005, 471-488.
Dale Martin, “When Did Angels Become Demons?” Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 129, No 4 (Winter 2010), 657-677.
David Frankfurter, “Master-Demons, Local Spirits, and Demonology in the Roman Mediterranean World: An Afterword to Rita Lucarelli,” Journal of Ancient Near Eastern Religions 11 (2011), 126-131.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

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[@changer1285]

Omfg yesssssss you have a Mandaeism video!!

[@kevinmckenna5682]

@Jep Sep Well, this comment is pretty unhinged. "Tribe of Apep?" Is that the latest anti-Semitic slur going around?

[@janglestick]

@@kevinmckenna5682 lol no, but they wont dispell the confusion given the chance. It's just a pepe the frog thing. Apep is usually derived from early Egyptian mythology, or from wherever William Burroughs got "ah-pook" I forget where.

[@robertooliver5056]

Q

[@Tokyo1985]

@bird of the abyss lucifer is made-up off of a bad translation...

[@brucenatelee]

Moral of the story: poor translation and biased beliefs leads to mistranslation of what things are.

[@davedjl3387]

Underwritten truth: You are demonizing your power by giving it the idea of bowing to a fellow 'great/enlightened' man, instead of realization of One own's abilities and accountability. Often overlooked viewpoint: The ';..;' is your ego, and most of most are not familiar with it's deception over self. ';..;' most of most, includes most of those who deny this. ';..;'

[@thomassquire4906]

Just to make sure I'm clear on this are Daimons "in a nutshell people who are the realization of ones own abilities like you said or are you talking about something else? Just curious is all

[@davedjl3387]

@@thomassquire4906 Is that to me Thomas? I think you missed the words "instead of".. No worries, I'd be happy to satisfy your curiosity on each and every word I said. I said it purposefully w/ care.

[@JayBe443]

@@davedjl3387 what about demonizing power to things you were unaware that can change you? does being ignorant not cause the same lack of realization? because ignorance can come in many forms

[@davedjl3387]

How many forms we talking? Joel

[@princesssshortie]

Daimons are a ghoul's best friend.

[@GorgeousRoddyChrome]

Beat me to it. 👍😁

[@luciacorona4420]

fun ghoul

[@chaseself9813]

Underrated comment 😂

[@mr.yellowstrat3352]

I read that as "girl" with a speech impediment. Lol

[@ALu-nq8rf]

Little green ghouls, buddy!!

[@tonyzheng2347]

RPG developers: Daimon? Cool, another monster type

[@totallynoteverything1.]

or like a spell

[@shadowbeast9122]

Sound good for a idea of a story

[@totallynoteverything1.]

or a companion!

[@shadowbeast9122]

@@totallynoteverything1. Yea something like that I have a character who is like a creature demon Looking thing and I can put him whit my main protagonists .my character is my profile picture

[@ranmaruthompson930]

Final fantasy 15 already has daimon as evil monsters in the game as a type of fiend in the game.

[@kaelang12]

Daimons, fae, djinn, youkai, yaoguai It's amazing how so many cultures have the same type of chaotic neutral beings

[@childrenofthesun471]

They arent chaotic nor evil.

[@kaelang12]

@@childrenofthesun471 I didn't say evil??? I said chaotic neutral; in d&d terms, it means that they go about doing whatever they feel like doing

[@childrenofthesun471]

@@kaelang12 well mostly yeah, they are powerful gods/god like entities/deities

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As an atheist looking to learn more about religion without being preached to, I absolutely love this channel.

[@jounik8980]

What means atheist, dont wanna help others or dont believe in cloud sitting man with beard, maybe wanna drink and no go to church, jesus teaching are clue, help others

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@@jounik8980 I think you're the one drinking here...

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@@jounik8980 Are you ok man?

[@adoe2305]

Jordan Peterson

[@nunyabiznez6381]

Same here.

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

Don't forget, they also return emails sent to incorrect addresses.

[@nickbalmes6640]

Mailer daemon 😅

[@nhmooytis7058]

Zach hahaha

[@princesssshortie]

Underrated comment

[@gabrielr.7423]

HAHAHA! Nice one dude! And also mount ISO images with Daemon Tools.

[@hfhfu5711]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lnsflare1]

Is it just me, or has contemporary mainstream Christianity basically thrown away all sense of nuance that they used to have, resulting in a notably more boring and philosophically clunky cosmology than their forebears used to preach?

[@assumjongkey4514]

Well ..yeah.....

[@OrangeUtan1]

Yep

[@kinilas]

I love studying mythology and "ancient" christianity is one of my favorite topics. As a practicing baptists, I find these older stories extreemly interesting and I feel that its unfair that we just throw them out as pointless fiction when they where inportant and highly influential text. Im trying to build a library of these texts so that i can better understand them and, eventually, better understand God.

[@Outcastgrunt098]

@@kinilas i know these texts are facanating would you have any recommendations incase their are some i dont know about or may have missed.

[@kinilas]

Im still learning myself, so i only know about things like enoch, the apocrypha, and things like that. Im trying to build up a library of mythology.

[@kirknay]

So Daimons were the western equivalent of Yokai and lesser Kami? Cool!

[@Erykthebat]

that is exactly what they are. Different names for the same thing. Zues Thor and Susana O the same dude? Maybe?

[@ccdmn85]

I'm western, and its the eastern equivalent to me.

[@ousamadearu5960]

@@Erykthebat Susanoo is kinda different. He is a pure storm god, mostly a god of the seas. Zeus is just the God of Lightning and the Heavens, similar with Thor.

[@ravosblackrose]

All kami except the beings that gave birth to izanami and izanagi would be daimon.

[@ravosblackrose]

im not sure if izanami or izanagi themselves would be gods or daimon. Probably really powerful daimon like Lucifer in Christianity.

[@Pratchettgaiman]

"Meeting with your own daimon" sounds like the title of a New Agey self help book...

[@sentientthundertank2079]

Golden compass

[@kevinclass2010]

Mayan culture still has the idea of a "spirit animal".

[@panchohalo2158]

@@kevinclass2010 you mean furries?

[@vetonrecica5558]

@@panchohalo2158 That's a whole other can of worms we don't wanna open.

[@williansnobre]

Sounds like a JoJo reference

[@dereksyroka6288]

So Princess Elsa is a daimon, got it.

[@Delgen1951]

Or a mutant, early superhero, etc..

[@jayg3857]

You mean Formally Queen Elsa.

[@Jim-Mc]

I think we should have suspected

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

Is Eddie a demon or diamon?

[@HeadbangHoodlum]

Disney is full of them.

[@tristandukes5548]

You can definitely see how ancient mythology, especially greek lore influenced the dæmons from His Dark Materials

[@viceshark]

I’m just here to say: Matt Damon.

[@matt6575]

Heard it in my head quoted from team america. Tho most of holly wood r demons

[@samaelcercunnin5227]

Can I get one in gloss.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

He's always getting himself into trouble and always needs to be rescuing from some far away place. Last time we had to rescue him from Mars.

[@atherkhan646]

@@ANTSEMUT1 jimmy kimmels will love you.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@atherkhan646 lol i know.

[@100mythfreak]

Pazuzu, you ungrateful gargoyle! I put you through college, and this is how you repay me? (Edited) But seriously, this is a very interesting topic of the reinterpretation of daimon to demon by Christianity. I'm reminded of my own culture (Malay-Indonesian), where our variety of ghosts and spirits, through Islamic influences, have been re-categorised into jinns or syaitan (devils).

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

This made me laugh.

[@vineshgujral686]

The greco-roman Daimons seem fascinatingly similar to Jinn in Islam, and I really like that Islam kept morally variable/ambiguous spirits in their theology

[@astrol4b]

Pazuzu if I remember well was kind of god of winds, we could harvest his power trough windmills and solve global warming but no, he had to afflict little girls instead. Wat a waste.

[@Menzobarrenza]

@@greenergrass4060 If Christianity is true, then it's an obvious fact. Remember, if Christianity is true then literally no other deity could possibly exist as an actual divine being. It's not self-centeredness. It's just common sense if they're right.

[@mirfan-2020]

@@Menzobarrenza The important point being "if they are right".

[@daregularperson]

It seems like the translation from “daimon” to “demon” occurred because of how apparently morally divided Judaism and Christianity is (between good and evil) vs. how morally mixed the Greco-Roman gods and goddesses were.

[@sammyr6911]

BAppleJuice No that doesn’t have to do with anything. In judaism there is no devil like it’s portrayed throughout christianity. And so christianity has influences from zoroastrianism. And judeo christians would be more so directly in contact with the Canaanite, babylonian and ancient egyptian religion than Greco-roman. The “morally mixed” as you say Greco Roman gods don’t have anything to do with the sentiments of the Jews and christians towards them other than Jews were strictly monotheistic after the period of the Babylonian exile. And the christians has concepts that came from the Essenes which has influences from Zoroastrianism

[@paradiseagent5881]

@@sammyr6911 Both faiths have strict moral guidelines regardless of the devil. God is wholly good in both without ambiguity

[@daregularperson]

Sammy R Care to point out any influences Mazdakism apparently had on Christianity? New Testament text was written in Greek, and mentions “Hades”, for two off-hand examples. Also, who is “them” in your comment “...sentiments of the Jews and Christians towards them”? The Greco-Romans?

[@sammyr6911]

BAppleJuice But Jesus didn’t speak Greek he spoke Aramaic. The manuscripts of the New Testament (and the Septuagint)was in Greek because of the Hellenized world. And it mentions Hades (the judaic counterpart would be Sheol) as the underworld the realm of the dead, and it mentions Tartarus because like I said the Hellenized world. And yes “them” would be the Greco-romans,

[@Toreadorification]

@Barry Iaconelli Kabbalah is niche in Judaism, in pop culture it is omnipresent wherever Jews are.

[@thescoobymike]

Crazy how my fear of demons growing up was all because people 2000 years ago got some things lost in translation and semantics

[@bebeemiller3020]

I just want an objective and historical approach to religion, it’s so fascinating. I love this man.

[@TheWhiteWolf2077]

It's spirituality not religion that actually matters-combing quantum physics and spirituality is the key to understanding reality.Religion is nothing more than a social construct that replaced spirituality for a hierarchy and power structure that leads to influence and control.

[@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418]

Just like in most culture. Our Filipino cultures was changed drastically and demonised when Christianity was introduced. Example are lesser gods are recategorized as demons. While the main god Bathala was recategorized as Christian God. While diwatas which is in our cultures fairy are recatogarized as ghost called White ladies and our religous healers called Babaylan are recategorized as Aswang (demon possess beings that eat flesh mostly eating unborn Baby in the womb of the mother.) It is interesting when a new belief is introduce the older belief is either repurposed positively or negatively to fit ones religous narrative.

[@kevinclass2010]

The Virgin of Guadalupe is the best example of syncretism.

[@humanity600]

@StormOfTheCentury dude, chill.

[@humanity600]

I think you're mistaken about diwatas...

[@DS-xj2zz]

Gods is not appropriate because the word God is singular!

[@humanity600]

@@DS-xj2zz uh, no, there are gods. In the Urgatic texts, it's hinted that deities are Gods children.

[@daniellogan-scott5968]

For me, I find it helpful to see the Classical daimons as similar to the Shinto Kami. They seem to be describing the same concept despite being two unconnected cultures. In modern practice, it's like in Jurassic Park using frog DNA to fill the gaps. In this instance, Shinto is the living frog DNA and Classical paganism is the dinosaur DNA being recreated. Also, the goal of Greek philosophy is eudaimonia often translated as "happiness" or "flourishing", but literally means "good spirit".

[@NotSoCrazyNinja]

My experience tells me that there exists a lot of unseen things. There seems to exist a large number of unseen forces, maybe even beings, that can and do influence the physical. Some humans are naturally able to notice these unseen forces and they try to come up with explanations. This, I believe, is how religions start. What these forces are, what these beings are, is unknown. From what I can tell, they contain both good and bad, chaos and order. Some may be the spirits of humans who haven't made their way to another body or some mystic end place. The human shell is very limiting, when the shell isn't a factor, the essence can do a lot. However, the essence is also limited. Everything is energy. Energy can be manipulated. Reality can be manipulated.

[@mlktha_don6729]

In southern Africa we have Badimo.they r our dead people who we can communicate with through traditional injunctions to perform al those duties explained here.funny all our cultures are the same.chriatianity/ religion messed everything up.

[@viniciuspaiva3578]

Kami are more like Deities, Yokai are closer to Daimons

[@viniciuspaiva3578]

There’s also the Hawaiian Kupuas, like Pele, the volcano Kupua

[@stanleydouge2803]

@@viniciuspaiva3578 and there’s the loas in Haitian Vodoun

[@Quinceps]

The original "daimon" concept seems to be close to Japanese "kami".

[@kamishin7135]

More like yokai. Kami are any kind spirits that were worship (sometimes even plants and animals, including some humans), yokai are any paranormal spirits

[@zimfan101]

The purpose of a Stoic is to reach eudaimonia- To be at one with your best spirit or your best self.

[@phatlaluke]

Interesting, the way that diamones are seen as ambiguous spirits between earth and heaven reminds me a lot of how Fairies were seen (at least at the time of W.B. Yeats)

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

It is quite similar to Japanese youkai too. Youkai are basically any spirit, and kami are youkai with human worship. Even humans may turn into youkai or kami. An example would be Taira no Masakado, who became an evil, angry youkai after his execution, but then was enshrined and, through worship, became a revered protector deity... With a vindictive tendency.

[@theawkwardpotato1973]

Idk, fairies in almost any medium can be giant dicks or understandable helpful little critters or even just make small mischiefs at worst, from what I hear. Very little ambiguity in some of them.

[@humanity600]

@@theawkwardpotato1973 the whole baby stealing thing. Yikes.

[@shadowsonicsilver6]

Fae*

[@StarlasAiko]

Lee’s Ollie nah. The pagans got smote because their peaceful ways couldn't stand up against Christian warmongery

[@13emiel]

Rad! My master's thesis was actually on daimones in Egyptian magical papyri from the fourth and fifth century. I looked at how different types of daimones changed as Christian beliefs spread throughout Egypt. Nekydaimones (corpse-daimons), for instance, are hardly mentioned in fifth century defixiones and the like. I found that nekydaimones were always something the practitioner should fear. They have to be adjured, forced, threatened etc., often combined with pleas to not hurt the practitioner. A maleficent force which only those who possess certain skills, religious experts, have the power to redirect. Hopefully the nazar in the background will protect you from any evil daimones or demons :)

[@andybeans5790]

I've always compared such spirits with AI, the idea of humanoids that don't necessarily understand human welfare, so we can't necessarily expect them to value human life.

[@K.sazonov]

Hi! Is there any chance to have a read of your thesis?

[@kkibela]

I would also love to read this

[@zaidflowers1828]

We want the thesis or was it.........

[@13emiel]

@@K.sazonov drive.google.com/file/d/1LKBz6of6XhHbJRyMZLozCoHWievdkpps/view?usp=sharing

[@jambudvipi]

_Daimon:_ intermediaries between gods and humans _Dai:_ god _Mon:_ man Even in Sanskrit and Avestan, _dai_ = god

[@Howtard]

I was a huge fan of His Dark Materials growing up and it's fascinating hearing the inspiration for much of the concept of daemons and a part of one's soul you can talk to. Great video as always!

[@drangelapuca]

Thank you so much for doing this collaboration with me, Andrew! ☺ You're such an inspiration to me! Hopefully, we'll get to meet and record something together at the AAR conference in Boston in November (provided the world gets back to being a safe place by then).

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I just subscribed to your channel.

[@paulsevilla3656]

Hey! Big fan of your channel, what is the AAR conference and is it open to the public? I live in boston. Thanks!

[@drangelapuca]

@@nelsongalvan2178 thank you!

[@drangelapuca]

@@paulsevilla3656 it's the conference of the American Academy of Religions. I think there should be an option for non academics to come and attend papers/panels!

[@torgulmithra]

Surely is due to my being a silly italian, but while you were speaking about daimonioi, in my head Shirley Basset was singing: "DAIMONs are forever...." :-D

[@zellafae]

I speak English and that’s what I was hearing as well.

[@0207s_FINEST]

Gives a whole new haunting perspective and message 😱

[@watcherwlc53]

@@0207s_FINEST epic name

[@DarklightTarot]

Ive done alot of studying over the last few decades and you are the most accurate with your information considering my own channelings directly to texts modern and ancient. Thankyou. I am a big fan of your channel now that I've found you. I'll be going to have a look at the channel you recommended now. Thanks again!

[@robbienl8176]

The song "diamonds in the sky" has total different meaning now 😉

[@tumultuousforce6204]

Uh oh

[@Rokiriko]

I think you could almost literally replace "daimons" with "devas" in pre Zoroastrian Iran, and then "demons" with "devas" in Zoroastrianism.

[@abraferrazify]

I'm very ignorat of hinduism but I missed the connection between apocalyptic messianic judeo-christianity and Zoroastrianism in the video.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

To my knowlage devas are just gods.

[@timothyelliot9322]

Devs were always Devs just with different intention. Daimons are gaurdion spirits of ancient origin.

[@ishubetterthanyou1582]

Not really. Devas/Asuras are just "divine beings" not the "bridge between humans and divine", but literally just divine. Pre Zoroastrianist Iran was not anti-deva but actually worshipped both Devas and Asuras as stated in the Gathas.

[@TheWhyisthatso]

...."devas" = "devils"

[@user-tc5qc4ql8m]

"how to train your daimon"

[@robloxinvestigator7050]

The greek word 'δαίμων' is actually pronounced 'ðemon' because "αι" in greek is a diphthong and is pronounced "e".

[@ghostgate82]

I was yelling that at my screen every time he mispronounced it! Thank you.

[@faithlesshound5621]

That's the Modern Greek pronunciation: in Ancient Greek it was the way he said it.

[@cramerfloro5936]

@@theelevatedone2536 now THAT is a really fascinating information

[@nikostheater]

@@faithlesshound5621 No, it wasn't. diphongs worked in the ancient greek as in modern Greek, it depends of course of the dialect. But there was no version of greek that his pronunciation is correct. Maybe in an alternative earth.

[@jewellui]

@@faithlesshound5621 where did you even get that?

[@GuaiEye]

Nice work! This was the subject of my thesis research. You cover GREAT territory here.

[@sivuyilemtsi9840]

I just checked out Angela's video and I loved it. As an African with a keen interest in African spirituality, I found both these videos very informative and gave me a deeper perspective of our spirituality. I have hit the like button for her channel and I am looking forward to many more videos like this. Keep up the good work.

[@blackshogun272]

Ramieverse ! It amazes me how so many modern African-Americans can sit comfortably practicing a religion that was never there own and was imposed or pressured onto their enslaved and oppressed ancestors. We won our physical freedom over here but our spirits were forever changed and IMO, not for the better...

[@JihadBunnydick]

@@greenergrass4060 Israelites? Kemet?

[@Endemion01]

Demons in Gnosticism (Archons i.e Rulers) has most interesting history in my opinion. Perhaps of something for future content :)

[@77530jp]

You should read the gnostic scripture "The Reality of the Rulers" (The Hypostasis of the Archons) from The Nag Hammadi Library. Archons/rulers are shown as wicked leaders and the leader of the archons (aka Yaldabaoth/Sakla/Samael) is known as the "jealous god" who created the material reality or "the veil". Also, the leader of the archon was born by Sophia/Pistis (mother of the universe and counselor of the unknownable (true) father of the universe). Sophia gave birth to Yaldabaoth without her masculine counterpart which caused a great error (humanity's slavery) since she created life without her Yang (taoism and Gnosticism share many correlations). Yaldabaoth didn't like it when his mother told him that he's "a blind god" and that humans like Adam can surpass him in knowledge and power. So he created the "veil" to enslave humanity. Unfortunately Sophia has been demonized as Satan by Christianity nowadays. www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Hypostas-Barnstone.html

[@77530jp]

"'And he rejoiced in his heart, and he boasted continually, saying to them, “I do not need anything. I am god and there is no other god but me.” But when he said these things, he sinned against all of the immortal imperishable ones (144,000) and they kept their eyes on him. Moreover, when Pistis saw the impiety of the chief ruler, she was angry. Without being seen, she said, “You’re wrong, Samael,” that is, “blind god.” “An enlightened, immortal human exists before you and will appear within your fashioned bodies. The human will trample upon you as potter’s clay is trampled. And you will go with those who are yours down to your mother, [I], the abyss. For in the consummation of your works, all of the deficiency that appeared in the truth will be dissolved. It will cease, and it will be like something that never existed.”' - On The Origin of Reality (The Nag Hammadi Library)

[@TwiceBorn369]

Jp03690 and it’s important to note that Yaldabaoth is Saturn and his repenting son Sabaoth is Jupiter, who in turn is Yahweh or Jehovah the androgynous ruler of the seventh heaven.

[@77530jp]

@@TwiceBorn369 yes! 😎

[@timothyelliot9322]

Diamond are Archons. There are Five. Lilith Enki Enlil Anu Marduk. They are Absonite

[@gorillajock]

I've often read daimon or daimonos translated as "genius", not meaning really smart, but of the divine element in us, especially when we are doing something creative like philosophy, or sculpture or writing poetry or drama.

[@cassandrabuitron427]

So this is super interesting in the context of ghost sightings/paranormal encounters. I've been listening to a great podcast called "Spooked" which is a compilation of people's stories about encounters with ghostly entities. Some of these are certainly categorized as encounters with demons, as opposed to human-like ghosts or other apparitions. I've been fascinated with the distinction ever since. Thank you for this video, and the great content in general!

[@alternateaccount7940]

“What a base and trifling creature is man. Yet at once he is the master of this empyreal flow, grand as all the heavens” -Daimon, Dragon’s Dogma

[@thenobledildo6820]

The ever turning wheel

[@thescorpiuslibra1676]

Just woke up. Tryna figure out what I should have for breakfast...

[@big3ye378]

@3MM4 P33L deviled eggs

[@jaromgregson8923]

Religion. *eats the entire Roman Catholic Church*

[@0sireion]

I've read about the ancient Egyptian concept of daemon. It was thought to be the ka/animating spirit within the human body. When a child met an untimely death, a shrine with minor sacrifices was erected at the spot to appease the daemon that was let loose from the child's body. This animating spirit was morally ambiguous and could be prone to chaotic mischief or boon-granting. It was important to keep the child daemon appeased and connected to good behaviour to avoid the mischievous or evil tendency of a freed being without a moral compass.

[@StoneHerne]

😃 This collaboration between you and Angela is amazing! Glad to watch such interesting and clarifying channels! 😃

[@Rocketboy1313]

And then there is "The Golden Compass"...

[@onnimannimaki8846]

I think Pullman got the idea from that greek who said that he could hear daimon speaking from inside of him. Daimons in his dark materials #2 are much like that.

[@NWPaul72]

Question Authority.

[@jonathandill3557]

I wondered if Mrs Coulter was inspired by Ann Coulter.

[@angeliparraguirre7329]

@@jonathandill3557 haha, imagine that

[@arkangelnorthman]

Daimons are a girls best friend.

[@milo.ibrado]

😂

[@dontjustbeanotherbrickinthewal]

Lucy in the sky with diamonds

[@corygulley4405]

L

[@FilmGuy7000]

Ah, another man of culture.

[@JohnMorawietz]

how did the aspect of deception allure female to falter in her ordained purpose? wisdom.

[@nowknowthis]

I love the historical and cultural contexts in your videos. I love learning about religion. I took a lot of religions classes in college mostly western religions. So it’s been fun watching your videos

[@kelleren4840]

How have I never heard about this channel considering I'm 8 minutes into my first video and it's my favorite channel.

[@linseyspolidoro5122]

‘Meeting with your own daimon’ sounds similar to aspects of shadow work in some segments of the modern day pagan community that I’ve come across frequently lately. Which is funny considering that I’m pretty sure the original (modern) concept of the shadow self is from jungian psychology.

[@samaelcercunnin5227]

Modern day pagan community does exist in a post Jung world, so it makes perfect sense really. Also the work Jung did was based on studying a mind that has been evolving for tens of thousands of years, so any new ideas he came up with, were only new perspectives on old ideas. Lumberjacks use chainsaws these days, but it is not considered funny on account of the fact that trees have existed since before humanity.

[@thatguykundai]

This makes so much sense. If we look at Psalm 82:1-3: “God stands in the divine assembly; He judges among the gods (divine beings). How long will you judge unjustly And show partiality to the wicked? Selah. Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice and maintain the rights of the afflicted and destitute.” ‬ ‭AMP‬‬ version Here Yahweh/Jehovah (the God of Christianity and Judaism) judges the deities in his divine council for their evil and injustice. This totally contradicts the historical notion of absolute monotheism and reveals that the early Christians and Pre-Second Temple and Second Temple Jews believed in the existence of more than one divine being. Note: the EXISTENCE of more than one divine being and not the SUPREMACY of them. So from this we understand that these ancient Jews and early Christians believed in a populated spiritual realm with a hierarchy: Yahweh at the top, ruling the other ‘gods’/divine beings; the upper divine beings (the gods); the lower divine beings (angels/angelos[Greek- I might have misspelt]/messengers/malak[Hebrew]) and cherubim (the animal hybrid throne guardians, think the Egypian Sphinxes that were said to guard the dead pharoah’s graves). So when we see this, the notion of absolute monotheism makes no sense. Thus when Paul calls the Greek gods “demons/daimons” he isn’t discounting their divinity, but rather is subordinating them to Yahweh. This ties in to the idea of Yahweh ruling a council of other deities and ruling the universe through and with them and allowing them to participate in His divine decisions (i.e the story in the book of Kings where the divine council deliberates how best to lead king Ahab to his doom). So when Yahweh denounces the other divine beings in Psalm 82, he is criticizing their mis-rule of the authority He himself gave the. Thus in Paul’s eyes the Greek gods (and any other pantheon stretching from Rome to as far as India, Egypt and Japan) are subordinate to Yahweh and thus their people’s worship should be directed to Yahweh himself. This is the ‘’monotheism’ of Paul, NOT one where the ONLY God is Yahweh, but one where the only god WORTHY of worship is Yahweh, and all the others are subject to him. That’s why in many places in the New Testament, Jesus is said to be “subjecting” “all things” (including spiritual “rulers and powers”) under his authority. Check out Michael Heiser, I think he’s the best source on this.

[@lindamaemullins5151]

Thank you!

[@TheWhyisthatso]

....The "Father" (True God) that Christ (Jesus) came to reveal to humanity, is NOT the "god" of the OT scriptures. This is WHY He (Jesus) was murdered.

[@dougjeremiahjohanas2669]

Yahweh is God and the creator he always existed ..he created all even the angels that rebelled because they believed Lucifer lies that the cast out of the third heaven and cursed as demons ..Yahweh also is Jesus the one true Lord God

[@ce2161]

That’s actually false, you see the word used was ‘Elohim’: it doesn’t mean gods....it means spiritual beings. Jews and Christians are monotheistic to the fact that we only worship the creator God who’s name can be: Adoni, El, and YHWH. So Jews and Christians don’t call them gods, they call them spiritual beings, which is just a category and the meaning of the word: Elohim

[@ahmicqui9396]

@@ce2161 It is clearly interpreted by most scholars as Yahweh talking to other gods. El was also a name of a polytheistic semitic deity. He had many children (other, lesser gods) and this fits right in with the description.

[@FireFoxGaming_]

I just subscribed and hit the bell! Since I am an omnist I can definitely learn sooo much from this account! (Omnist=a beleiver of all and seeks truth in all religions)

[@josef2012]

So all religions are true or you just pick+choose the "truths" as you see fit?

[@Chamdar17]

An important nuance to this is that, in the Gospels, Jesus' interactions with demons are typically when He is called upon to help someone "possessed", i.e. when a demon (even in the classical sense) is engaging in activity that humans (of all eras, but most relevant were His own contemporaries) would consider "evil". In many translations, the demons are referred to as "unclean spirits". These interactions don't themselves evoke images of FIRE, rather of human disease, but in Matthew 25:41 Jesus explicitly describes FIRE as the end prepared for "the devil and his angels". That image fits with Jewish ideas of demons and later Muslim ideas of demons. The art the comes forth from that simply refers back to these images because it is impactful to human senses, and because demons of fire are a lot cooler to paint/draw! :)

[@cadencole103]

This channel deserves soooo many more subscribers. Andrew Mark Henry is giving accurate information on religious studies without a bias. Every video is well thought out and sourced. I hope this channel grows to the millions and helps people learn about the history of religion. Great Job!!!

[@agnel47]

This video essentially exposes Christianity's "war on terror" on daimons. Thanks.

[@kobalt77]

This is absolutely wonderful, so much information that joined a lot of dots for me. Thank you very much indeed my friend! .. PS Off to watch Angela now.

[@sonjaadamson1714]

DoomSlayer: *Slow heavy metal music intensifies*

[@andrebrown8969]

Great content. Really appreciated. I know you may get a lot of grief from some religious people, but most of us truly appreciate your scholastic rigour and search for facts. It was indeed my questioning of religion, which was always a difficult pill for me to swallow intellectually and perdonally, that resulted in my atheism.

[@stellartoad]

Yeah, some of these people in the comments, only a few, always just disagree with the dude no matter how many facts he presents.

[@VictorDeMeira]

@@stellartoad You're not mixing facts and religion, are you?

[@ameribeaner]

Love the videos. I get excited when I get a notification that you’ve released a new video. After your video on Sikhism I was hoping you could do a video on Zoroastrianism.

[@KingfisherTalkingPictures]

The Golden Compass/Dark Materials use daemons as the similar thing as Greek daimons. The series is excellent.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

I prefer SMT, but Dark Materials is good, too.

[@pendlera2959]

@@DarkAdonisVyers SMT?

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@pendlera2959 Shin Megami Tensei.

[@ShannonBoschy]

Great video, loves the level of research you brought to this

[@ibraheemmoosa]

Kudos for pointing out that we should study ancient texts in their original context.

[@chaseharrison5469]

Agreed, so many interpretive frameworks nowadays.

[@vineshgujral686]

Have you considered doing a video on the separate evolution of the concept of Devil(s)? The Devi/Deva-Asura getting flipped morally and having vilified Devis enter Christian thought as demon synonyms is its own interesting history.

[@Nozarks1]

@@watermelonlalala is it Jason Reza Jorjani?

[@Nozarks1]

@@watermelonlalala interesting. I’ll look out for it.

[@Nick-wt1no]

Deva-Asura/Ahura conflict from Buddhism/Hinduism/Zoroastrian view?

[@nullvoid6095]

@@Nick-wt1no Definitely also partially attributed to the Hindu-Zoroastrianism flip-‘n’-switch

[@romanengelbrecht6717]

Top notch info and I'm glad you mentioned Plato and Socrates

[@al_quest7470]

Impressive, extremely educational. Thanks! Hope to see more Vidz. Great Job.

[@gunjfur8633]

I wonder, how did Dantes works influence Christianity?

[@Menzobarrenza]

Probably not too much. It at best poularized concepts that were already there, I'd guess.

[@GilFerraro]

Dante is called 'Sommo Poeta' here in Italy because he almost single handedly invented Italian language. Also a precious inside of the times and struggles between cities and politics. His work, the Comedia, really influenced all successive world literature and art, so yes, it was, and is, really influential culturally, maybe not Christianity wise (no new lore but an amazing depiction of the thought of the time, mixed with ingenious literary inventions which surely influenced all Christian theology) .

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

It influenced the cultural perception of Christianity but not actual Christian doctrine.

[@humanity600]

Wasn't it the other way round.

[@onisuryaman408]

And also Mill's Paradise Lost

[@M0joPin]

I love this channel so much. Sorry for being random, but I really needed to say this.

[@DezMarivette]

Such a cool topic! And thoroughly digestible! Thanks for your work!

[@steffonisaacs7629]

im happy for this knowledge ive been searching for someone with deep history thanks

[@SimonClarkstone]

These "daimons" sounds quite like "daemons" in Unix-like OSes. They are various programs that stay running continuously but fairly hidden, doing things like responding to incoming connections, synchronising the system time to the internet, hosting the queue of documents to be printed, combining streams of sound from different programs to go to the sound card, or running tasks at specific times of day. Many have powers beyond what normal programs have, which they will use (in restricted ways) when other programs request them to.

[@stevenjlovelace]

Yep. "Daemon" is just an alternate spelling of "daimon."

[@SimonClarkstone]

@@stevenjlovelace Naturally.

[@a1r383]

7 seconds ago! Never seen an upload on my home page so fast.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Welcome!

[@ScottGladstein]

Sounds like the work of the devil to me ;-)

[@kozmo7]

This was fantastic, thank you very much for this video as well as your recommendation. Subscribing to both of you guys. Fantastic.

[@Erik_Swiger]

i needed this video, thank you.

[@nelsongalvan2178]

I always thought of demons as universal, like the idea of ghosts. For example, you see demons in Eastern cultures like Japan in their folklore.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

I’d say the concept of “evil spirit” is universal. Calling them all “demons” might blanket over the cultural differences though between these concepts since it’s such a Christocentric idea.

[@nelsongalvan2178]

@@ReligionForBreakfast yes, I agree. Some cultures evil spirits may have a good quality. In Christianity, it seems demons are completely bad. Thanks for responding.

[@dragonboyjgh]

which would make Daemon (generic) and Yokai analogous?

[@kamishin7135]

But yokai aren't really demons. There benevolent and malevolent yokai, but the most were neutral. They are more like djinns from islam, not evil, but not really good either

[@DanKaraJordan]

It is worth clarifying that Socrates' daimon is a eudaimon, or a good spirit, not an morally ambiguous one. His daimonic sign prevents him from saying anything untrue.

[@quintustheophilus9550]

This channel is fantastic! Keep up the good work!

[@jacobmartinelli7496]

nervously trying (like expecting or doing to expect) validates confidence issues (breathe [to center yourself]), confidence issues validates criticisms (because of unlistened to [or unlistenable because of reminding dislikes] outcomes), criticisms validates nervously trying. so, somewhere between nervousness and criticisms is avoidant reactions hopelessly overwhelmed about is love the thing of nervously considering (them to be helpless by the) hopelessness associated with nervously trying (though hoping that they'd figure it out) which is a relief.

[@lukegamboa9471]

This was awesome! I was wondering if you could you do a video on “elohim” from the hebrew texts? I’ve always been interested in it’s relation to other religions as well as how it’s applied in Biblical texts. Thanks!

[@Closto]

This approach is shared by the book and later video game series Megami Tensei, where all kinds of creatures (gods, demons, angels, spirits, even possessed objects) are known and summoned as demons. It's really interesting to take a look back at the classics and see where our modern concepts come from, or dare I say, truly mean.

[@elibear8530]

Love your site. Thank you. A suggestion to get more interested in this episode, how about the title being The History of Demons and Daemons.

[@hockeyinalabama]

Greek and Roman mythologies seem to rarely have completely good or completely evil characters. Their characters seem to be reflective of human nature where each person is a mix of both. So, I'm not surprised that the daimon would start that way and that a religion like Christianity would eventually place it in a narrative of diametrically opposed teams of good and evil like it is wont to do. It was still interesting to listen to this explanation.

[@novathegod]

Shine bright like a Diamon 🧘🏿‍♂️

[@beautyeyes7365]

😱

[@RainbowScorpFem]

Been trying to tell ppl about that song for a while. Also about Beyonce's Diva aka Deva song.

[@antonismpakla4792]

I am singing, I said that song and I waa like Shine Bright Like a Diamon 😂

[@soph1111e]

Also interesting to note the parallels between the Greek daimon and the Roman genius which was a predecessor to the modern idea of a guardian angel

[@tajlu6725]

I found this video because I’m watching “His Dark Materials” and the “Dæmons” (how they spell it on the show) are soul tied to their human and is there for protection and guidance. It’s interesting.

[@eldraque4556]

just what i was looking for, thank you

[@agnusplum9336]

The Jewish translators of the Septuagint knew what they were doing when they translated that way. They were choosing the best Greek words to convey their understanding of the Hebrew scripture.

[@ladyofavalon]

The mistreatment of Pazuzu in the media really bothered me. Yes, he was a God of the Western Wind and plagues, but also the protector of women and children especially against Lilitu.

[@johnallbright4298]

This was outstandingly helpful. Thank you very much for this video!

[@BridgetteBentley]

Your videos are amazing thank you!!🙏🏽

[@mingmingandmikki]

You know you’ve been playing too much Elder scrolls when your brain replace every “Daimon” with “Daedra”

[@raziyatheseeker]

Eh, some Daedra aren't far off from Daimons

[@hoodedone8547]

Daedra are worse than demons.

[@vek3681]

@@hoodedone8547 True

[@legionaireb]

We actually have a modern example of this kind of corruption of concepts in Anime. In many localizations of anime (for a specific example, let's look at Inuyasha), a wide variety of different spirits, both benign and antagonistic, are referred to by the catch-all term 'demon,' even though they are all unique types in Japanese mysticism.

[@CB-kl5ew]

Man, I love your content!

[@realismplaythroughgames7041]

Super interesting history and well delivered summary!

[@TheAIKnowledgeHub]

It sounds like Daimon is basically an explanation of the world they didn't understand. Maybe even a way of allowing the person to say they were a victim without blaming themselves or an exact person/group/society. BTW can you do a video on Pazuzu

[@billybobthekidiswack]

Or maybe we just don't understand what they understood. Every ancient culture on every continent had similar kinds of beliefs dealing with the supernatural.

[@booksquid856]

We have similar types of terms today. Ideologies, mental illness, mob-think, and social contagions remain a mystery despite these modern sounding labels. These do happen to connect with diet and stress and things we can see under the microscope. They do happen to connect with being placed in segregated and artificial environments like public education classrooms for years. They do happen to connect with our super connected social media life. And YET the phenomenon itself remains something quite tricky to understand and address.

[@MrHazz111]

This is fascinating. the Greco Roman idea of daimon remind me of the islamic djinn, spirits who live amongst humans, who are neither good nor evil, but could be both like humans, and live on for hundred years at a time. Divination, prophecies and black magic was also supposed to come from Djinn. It is interesting to think of the idea was regurgitated to something like it's original greek form in the middle east and north Africa after the Jewish and Christian take on it.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The original form of the Islamic Djinn may actually predate the Greco-Roman daimon, but we're not sure. The Shedim, which is basically a Judaic version of the Islamic Djinn, is attested in some of the oldest books of the Jewish bible. The reason why in Islam there is a belief that Sulaiman could command the Djinn is because Solomon is stated to have dominion over the Shedim. The Shedim itself is based on the even older Sumerian Shedu, which also fulfilled a role in Sumerian mythology akin to the Djinn in Islam. So this isn't likely to be a case of the Greco-Roman Daimon finding its way into the ME but instead that of a parallel mythological evolution.

[@renyvega4432]

This is an incredible video. Thanks.

[@jacobfschaffer]

This is very clear. Awesome work!

[@drewbest793]

Your own daimon ? Sounds like a Jojo stand to me....

[@synchrolord]

It's probably the work of an enemy stand

[@josh8794]

“Religious history.... is this a Jo Jo reference”

[@tonyvelocity9651]

I was looking for this comment.

[@personaanonima972]

@@trentsuki exactly.

[@theokrisna]

@@trentsuki summon your persona. weeb. jk

[@merrittanimation7721]

2:31 "What's a daimon's power level?" "IT'S OVER 9000!" I regret nothing

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

I almost included an image of Vegeta, and now I regret neglecting that.

[@Napoleonic_S]

Depends on whether you're talking about piccolo daimao or Majin buu XD

[@8polyglot]

You reference to the silver amulet and the language on it reminded me of the final prayer we say nightly from the Roman Breviary (Roman Catholic): “Visit, we beseech you O Lord, this house and family, and drive far from it all the snares of the enemy. Let your holy angels dwell here that you may keep us in peace, and let your blessing be always upon us. Grant this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit; one God for ever and ever. Amen.” Very interesting how the exact same concepts stick with us through centuries. Never would have thought my nightly prayer was similar to that of some of the first Christians.

[@Iluros]

The notion of an inspiring daimon within us goes back to *before* Plato. For example, the pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus said something to the effect "A man has as his daimon his own character," apparently a refutation of the popular idea at the time. Plato does seem to formulate the idea more clearly in his dialogues though.

[@dunnejos8423]

The closest parallel I've found to the Daimon of Greek myth are the Fae in Irish/Celtic myth. Morally ambiguous, helpful, sometimes includes the gods themselves.

[@munkiepoo]

When I finished my studies at university the Southern Baptist contingent of the family thought that I was possessed for speaking about this topic.

[@gospelofthomas77thpearl22]

Thanks , this was very interesting & informative. I get the feeling that Paul’s reference to the ‘currupt elemental spirits’ echoes the Greek mythology 🤔