The History of Tyreen & Troy Calypso (The Calypso Twins) - Borderlands

[@Forty2de]

This video made me feel pity for Troy, but not so much Tyreen. Troy was a good guy at the bottom, he was just much too influenced by Tyreen and their past.

[@michaelknox3715]

It's like the universe was against Troy from the moment he was born

[@adamgray1753]

Comes to show you, @@michaelknox3715, the Feminists became so huge they became the Universe itself...

[@harrywilliams683]

@@adamgray1753 ah yes video game characters are perfect examples of real life people

[@michaelknox3715]

@@adamgray1753 we're not here for your BULLSHIT, bro. We're here to get more lore for the Twin Gods. Piss off

[@miracufelix]

Until he almost killed her by leeching her out to charge Elpis. Well... Not that good.

[@yooloo33]

I wish they tied into the "cult leader" aspect of these two and not the "streamer" aspect

[@EskiMosher]

There are tons of games where you just fight against a cult leader. I think the hole streamer thing made it kinda unique while not being that much impactful to the rest of the story.

[@Maaarrrrk]

@@EskiMosher it did impact the story. If they never did that. It would change

[@OffSatan]

Through out my first playthrough I keept anoying my friend about how much better the game would be if Tyreen was basicly just Belle Delphine.

[@Davidpoland2005]

Sorry, its SCREAMERS

[@justintime6242]

What’s the difference🤣

[@Mesyasz]

The Twins definitely had potential. It would've been interesting to see Troy betray his sister since he is a ''parasite'' that lives in her shadow. The name ''Troy'' reminds me of the ''Trojan Horse'' which symbolizes deceit. Also the existence of Handsome Jack as a villain in Borderlands 2 set the standard for a villain so high that it's probably impossible to make a better one than him. Lastly, Maya's death should have been different. To keep it simple, she deserved better.

[@Godviahh]

For real tho. Troy had so much potential as a character and especially as a villain. And they threw it away so quickly. It even seemed like that's what they wanted to do. Troy obviously had some if not a lot of hatred for Tyreen. And rightfully so! Troy is a character that got thrown to the side because miss Mary-sue was supposed to be the spotlight.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@I want to suplex Joe Cecot I saw someone else mention that if tyreen had gotten sorta mournful about it like jack with angel and she genuinely felt sorrow after her brothers loss then it would have made for a better villain in the end which sucks cause she just glossed over it it would have been better if she actually acknowledge it happened and had a revenge mission at the end instead of "okay he's dead lemme just snatch his powers and be a god lol" cause seriously it's like she didn't even realize he died and it was a pretty sad way they went about it

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@I want to suplex Joe Cecot it's just sad cause I feel that if they just told the story a bit different and changed some voice lines from them then it would have been a better game overall

[@psychosparten049.esquire9]

I fucking hate people who complain that they didn’t have a replicate of handsome jack, he was one of the best villains ever (second to Sofia lamb in my opinion) and they couldn’t be as good unless they just straight up copy or bring back jack, fuck those guys.

[@spaghettioverlord3247]

Bruh I really hope you said the Trojan horse thing because they brought the horse to Troy and not just because they share the first three letters.

[@oriele]

Could’ve had way more potential if Troy betrayed Tyreen, killed her, and revealed that he was a Seraph, not a siren, would’ve done so much for the lore

[@miracleousowens2548]

oriel e I'll be honest٫ I was expecting that٫ seen that story before.

[@alexzayago9497]

Miracleous Owens would have been better than what we got still

[@corvax8644]

yeah how cool that would've been. maybe his discovery woulda caused other seraphs to come out of hiding because sirens were the dominant species and drove them out of power

[@adamgray1753]

This would of worked wonders to bring back the Eridians too, @@corvax8644.

[@wmdank4918]

I think even if he betrayed Tyreen, a 3 way power grab for the vault would have been compelling.

[@kylerollins6483]

The one thing I wish they would’ve done, and would’ve made them more rounded as characters, was that when Troy died, Tyreen break character and show the slightest bit of mournful resentment towards the Player. Kind of like how Handsome Jack reacted when Angel died. Yeah sure, they didn’t want to just rehash HJ, but that kind of character shift makes for more organic story telling. Instead, Tyreen was like “LOL Kay that happened. God queen time! 🤪”

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@I want to suplex Joe Cecot Yah I feel like if they just changed a lot of the voice lines not even the whole story just re voiced alot of these scenes with better dialogue then it would already make for a better game

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Tyreen wouldn't do that. She literally viewed Troy as less than a person. If he didn't everything she wanted she would refuse to let him leech of her until he did. She kept him alive because she chose to. She wanted to show how easily she could control another human being. Tyreen is pure evil. This is her.

[@RedRosemary]

They could of made Tyreen sad instead of angry like jack was.

[@RedRosemary]

@@fenrisvermundr2516 doesn't really make sense. Tyreen used her brother but it didn't really seem like she had anything else wrong with her. I mean why wouldn't she feel remorse for the people she's been with for more then idk 20 years?

[@keenenwilliams3537]

I just want to tell you this shit sent me 😂😂

[@madalyngragg3623]

Legit did not realize how smart Troy is.

[@michaelknox3715]

Me too.

[@Personalaccount730]

Troy is awesome not close to handsome jack not even close but still awesome

[@LCG_Night]

Same thi

[@LCG_Night]

Tho

[@billkizer6025]

His name is TROY I thought his name was BOB

[@BB_Promoter]

Y'know, in a way Tyreen was the real parasite, leeching off of her brother's naivete, intelligence & charisma, none of it was founded on her own skill, simply stolen from her better, goddamn it is depressing how much Troy was underutilized & overshadowed.

[@theblackman7933]

Wait, a video about the calypso twins that isn't hate? Well now I've seen everything.

[@ShinziiArt]

Ikr?

[@noafenton3117]

The Calypso twins aren't even bad villians. They just aren't as good as Handsome Jack, but what villian is?

[@ShinziiArt]

@@noafenton3117 good point but they were still annoying, for me at least

[@noafenton3117]

@@ShinziiArt Yeah they were definitely annoying, but that was kinda the point. The Calypso Twins for me did exactly what they supposed to. Make me hate them with a passion.

[@paddy8or]

@@noafenton3117 Absolutely, from the get-go I just had to keep in mind that they wouldn't be as good as Handsome Jack. (Whether that's a good thing or not) If I had to rank them from best to worst Handsome Jack Calypso Twins Hector. Commandant Steele. Zarpedon.

[@RatazanoMaldito]

When you are telling the story It does not sounds that bad. I guess the problem in the game is with the presentation

[@Adam-yq9xe]

It really was the execution sadly. The twins had potential, but I feel like the writing team focused to much on their streamer gimmick, ignoring almost every other aspect to their character. It also doesn't help that they come off as more annoying then funny most the time. Which is sad since every line Jack said was gold.

[@RatazanoMaldito]

@@Adam-yq9xe Also they have like what, 2 streammer jokes? Lol, Aurelia has more jokes about being rich than the main antagonists have about their principal trait.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

I feel like if they just ran over some voice lines to better tell the story and not make them sound like brats and give them some lines like jack then it would have been a much better game they just needed to portray it better

[@soarinlightponysnow96]

Never like twins at all in borderlands 3 relly miss hadsome jack a lot jack best bad guys ways better than twins

[@testifygaming]

They were decent antagonist, you just can't compare them to other antagonist. Just focusing on them and the game they were good, now comparing them to Jack they are almost as bad as the destroyer being the ending of borderlands 1.

[@levilhirondelle4561]

Troy is pretty much the whole reason tyreen got so close to her dream he always supported her no matter what. He made her famous got her there bandit army and fixed the spaceship to get them of there fathers planet. Sure with our tyreen troy would die but with out troy tyreen is nothing

[@V2ULTRAKill]

And this is why troy shouldve killed tyreen after he got mayas powers

[@Godviahh]

@@V2ULTRAKill 👏🏻👏🏻 exactly. They could've done a redemption arc for Troy or even make him a big bad villain. Troy has so fucking much character potential and they wasted it. And you have to seriously go out of your way to get any information on him. Tyreens info is all upfront and she will bluntly tell you things about herself. It's just annoying. They really missed so many opportunities.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@@Godviahh us imagine him accidentally killing his sister and him fighting the vault hunters in a fit of rage and sorrow amd actually showing loss after her death and leaching the destroyer so he could kill the vault hunters while being blinded by grief and hearing his last thoughts like jack in bl2 before he died would have made for a better story

[@stealthysniper61psn58]

Your so sweet. I loved tyreen. (My name's Troy)

[@Delicashilous]

I'm glad People prefer Sigma Male Character vibes. Remember, the OG BL2 Writers left. That's why it's wasted.

[@xx__ryanyaboi1477]

“Lie to them that’s what leaders do” man got a point

[@psychosparten049.esquire9]

You are never gonna be the president, by the way.

[@chatswood18]

Lilith could have teleported away with the vault map, i hate when hero characters dont use their powers but the villains do. I understand it's to show off the threat from the villains but man, I have to suspend my disbelief so much

[@lass961]

My thoughts exactly. It's plotholes like these that easily take you out of the flow of the story. Or how Tyreen is constantly watching you during the whole story and only decides at specific moments to physically interfere in the story instead of all the time. Lilith is meant to be powerful at this point in the story, yet gets handled so easily for the sake of plot.

[@PablitaOrtega77]

this is even worst, the antagonist explain their plan to Lilith, and she does everything to help them achieve it. she opens vault for them, basically hand them Maya and tannis unprotected... the all game i wanted to scream at the screen because the protagonist are soooooooo dumb

[@MrSailing101]

Teleport away and leave sanctuary III COMPLETLY UNDEFENDED. Remember, if you have to force yourself to believe something is stupid, It probably isn't

[@PablitaOrtega77]

@@MrSailing101 step 1. get tannis step 2. teleport inside the ship with everyone else. step 3 get off (who waits for the last minute to get fuel anyway?) and how did troy and tyreen ambush her in her own base?? no look out? nothing? or step 1 teleport tyreen or troy on the other side of the door, where 4 badass vault hunters are waiting to kick some ass, and duel the other one. (she was doing good untill she stopped to look at troy tatoo for 3 minutes)

[@adamgray1753]

Lilith could not of done anything, @@PablitaOrtega77, then. The first Vault what *REALLY* angered me was MY Vault Hunter character was deliberately taken out of commission via a BS cutscene. We the Vault Hunter(s) are taken out of everything until the extended cutscene finally ends. I really wish BL3 had a branching storyline. Such as if you lost your fight with the Calypso Twins then Maya would of definitely died no matter what. If you won Ava would of been the one to die. That would of made me fight tooth and nail to make sure *I* won.

[@SirRayveltal]

Ya know. I feel bad for Troy. He basically got corrupted by Tyreen. Hell, she calls him a parasite right infront of him and he doesn't even react. Poor guy...

[@CastroJr92]

The story was going in a direction that made it seem like there was going to be a split between Troy and Tyrene, I wish that he would have betrayed her and became the big bad

[@3austin16]

completely agree

[@christopheranderson2279]

Or have him incidentally drain her to death during his boss battle

[@joeyramstad8529]

Why is everything outside of the main missions so much better? Sure I enjoyed the story, certain parts being much better than others, but troy and Tyreen were so lackluster until my second playthrough where I found more backstory and lore. The echo logs actually make them seem like pretty cool villains but in the main story we never see their growth as villains and they're just static characters (minus troys cool development that just got canned in the end for some stupid reason)

[@jacobwells9207]

Can't you just hate villains for being villains and not read into things?

[@adamgray1753]

NO, @@jacobwells9207!

[@michaelknox3715]

@@adamgray1753 Why are you still here

[@rodrigolnl]

Because the villains are not evil enough, think about it. BL2 always remind us how evil Jack is with all his evil doings, BL3 they just kill Maya in an accident and their own bandits. You can't see them as a real threat

[@entireanarchy2293]

@@jacobwells9207 "everyone is the hero of their own story" if you have a villian being evil for the sake of being evil it doesn't feel like a real person with actual motivations. that's part of the reason Jack was such a perfect antagonist. Yeah he was an unredeamable prick but making Pandora civilized isn't an evil goal it's how he went about trying to achieve said goal. The problem with the caylpsos is they want the vaults powers because they have a god complex and while it could be argued Jack has a god complex or at least a hero complex he's not as simple as just wanting to be that almighty

[@nathangordon4891]

Troy had loads of potential for being the main antagonist, would’ve been an awesome set up to watch him realise he’s actually more powerful than tyreen after leeching maya

[@CheekiTiki]

Woulda been pretty predictable though. Not that what actually transpired was any better.

[@kysdie9979]

Troy wasn't nearly as strong as tyreen, Lilith is more powerful than maya, tyreen had two powers inside of her, plus multiple vault monsters, while troy has one power and a half

[@connorhilchie2779]

If the Calpso Twins had the same feeling they had in that first cutscene, they might've been great villains.

[@corvax8644]

the concept and themes in the story are actually quite good, the whole delivery and the directions gearbox take the later in the story you get are questionable and a lot of them don't make much sense. Thank god bl3's gameplay is by far the most fun in the series, otherwise this game would have flopped hard considering other factors outside of the game like gearbox's branding decisions and Randy's general dickishness

[@michaelknox3715]

The Calypso Twins *breathe* The entire Borderlands fandom: *CRINGE!!!!*

[@simpleyetcomplex]

They had potential but Gearbox squandered it

[@michaelknox3715]

@@simpleyetcomplex At least most of the fandom likes the writing in the dlcs

[@monsterhunterrivi6303]

@@simpleyetcomplex they were born to Danny DeVito and a damned Siren if there's anything with more potential...i ain't aware of it XD

[@Adam-yq9xe]

@@simpleyetcomplex at least they aren't the worst part of the game. *looks at ava*

[@hypeman1825]

Yeah... I honestly don't care about their history or even anything Fang has to say about them.. I just came to give the bro a view and a like.

[@darkhorseman90]

Troy would've been better as a usurper in-waiting (especially around Eden-6 up to the Great Vault). He'd point out much of Tyreen's flaws and delusions at the point before the Vault, and when defeated, he'd still be alive long enough to try and beg Tyreen for more life, only to be leeched instead. I think the real turning point/spoiler was really revealed in the echolog of Troy and Aurelia; how Aurelia believed that "family" was "just another word for war", and that the "sister always wins"

[@southdraw1017]

"Tyreen it's 4:00 pm, it's leeching time" "Yes troy"

[@BloodReaperZ]

It really is a missed opportunity with Troy, though this has to be said, the way Gearbox painted these two as ‘psycho live streamers’ ruined all care for these characters for most people. They came off as annoying brats especially after we’ve dealt with bandit warlords, cooperate military enforcers and CEO of weapons manufacturers already. Here’s hoping Gearbox learn their lesson in not trying to paint the cover of a book to hide its true hidden secrets, sometimes a cover turns off people before they even touch to open it.

[@anansidragon9040]

so... ignore "dont judge a book by its cover" and simply say "books should never have covers to begin with?"

[@corvax8644]

@@anansidragon9040 yes

[@TheMock5000]

@@anansidragon9040 sometimes don't judge a book by it's cover doesn't work. The point of a cover is to attract people to read a book. If it fails to do that, people will be more inclined to skip the book. Yes you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but if the writer doesn't give a shit about the book, then why should the reader?

[@jacobwells9207]

So what you're saying is that Troy and Tyreen played the roles they were given flawlessly and hating them is actually a compliment

[@rodrigolnl]

I honestly like their style, I think what was missing was more "evil". If you remember bl2, Jack was really charismatic, but every single moment we were reminded that he was really evil, all the time he was torturing people, killing, destroying towns, experimenting on them and with his own daughter as well, mentally abusing everyone including us. He was the biggest dictator, and WE had to stop it. The Calypsos, they were just bandits... They "killed" Maya (but gearbox didn't made us fell like a big deal), and a bunch of their own bandits, they were like "no one holds me, I'm gonna go bad". There is a fine line between bad guy and edgy guy, and Gearbox were not able to cross the line with those two.

[@esdeathsenpai5128]

Streamers: The Calypsos are such a bad representation of streamers. Also streamers: WHAT IS UP MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS! GOD-QUEEN TYREEN COMING AT YA LIVE!

[@mokonono5903]

"Ey what is up KZbin? This video is INSANE! If you enjoy this video please stick around until the end, there's a little bit of a surprise at the end, but if you enjoyed then leave a like, vote, leave a comment and see how it goes. And make sure to hit the bell icon too pussy! Fuck you!" -felix 'el goblino' lengyel

[@thetommygunner1062]

Better streamers than most about today lmao

[@kidz4p509]

I think the game people added that aspect as a warning.

[@mostattaa1646]

thanks this made me like them 1% extra. 99% more left.

[@SomeGuyWithABlueMask]

Lamest excuse of handsome jack recreation ever

[@lachlanfaulks9036]

Do ze0 history

[@LordDuddy77]

They actually had really good potential to be pretty cool villains...gear box unfortunately just didn't handle it the right way....but..both are still way better than Ava

[@mostattaa1646]

@@LordDuddy77 I definitely agree. I actually love Troy tho, his character seemed to be more polished and thought about.

[@LordDuddy77]

@@mostattaa1646 They needed a good writing team to really help bring out both Troy and Tyreen's potential..especially since Maya had to die for Troy's development..which lets be honest here..his development got nowhere kinda fast.

[@grandmagertrude7676]

I love how little pause there was when Troy said “that’s what leaders do”

[@whosplayingyou29]

Troy's character arc was way more compelling, and it did create a lot of suspense for what his relationship with his sister would turn into He began life with everyone around him including himself believing he was a helpless cripple and surviving only in his sister's shadow. Then when he leeches Maya, he not only is able to survive without her, he realized his true potential of being able to use the leech's power in reverse, giving siren powers to his followers. Its a shame that they didn't do anything to pay this off though. They built up the tension this power shift caused so well! If they only let it explode or have the twins reconcile it, either way would have been better.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@I want to suplex Joe Cecot Yah I feel like if they went in reverse and just went "hey Troy while leeching his sister leeched her too much and took her power too" would have been more compelling to see him do this by accident and freak out over her death since he actually had some sort of conscious and go after the vault hunter in a fit of rage because he went to far amd now he can't undo this it would have made a more interesting character since his design looked cooler and I would have loved to see the destroyer with a giant sword and seeing troy filled with grief trying to kill the vault hunter

[@psychosparten049.esquire9]

Fuck Troy

[@LuisPereira-ms8mg]

I agree

[@purpleasters]

Troy had so much potential, he got manipulated by Tyreen and was forced to stay with her unless he wanted to die. He was the brain behind everything they accomplished and got pushed back to the shadows. He developed so much after absorbing Maya's powers, and it started to seem like he would be the end game boss rather than Tyreen, but I think the writers had already decided to have Tyreen as the end game boss so they instead chose to give Troy an unjust death that was basically pointless to the story...

[@ImperialWarrior6490]

You know what would have been cool? Instead of fighting just Troy, the first real battle with the Calypso Twins could have been a tag team boss fight where you fought both at once. But you only have to defeat one of them and the other later becomes the final boss of the game. Would have add a ton more to repeatability and would have developed them more.

[@vshiki4872]

Ooooo, Ornstein and Smough vibes! That would've been amazing!

[@aguywholikespurple4000]

Tbh the calypso twins in the echo logs sound way better than what we got Plus troys character isn't too bad, its just that they focused on tyreen too much, but her design is pretty cool if ya ask me :/

[@antdrums0199]

Yo who woulda thought troy was actually a woke soldier with those lines about “leaders saying shit that isnt true” and how katagawa was a “trust fund kid”. Genius stuff

[@thanesgames9685]

It is weird how many people apparently didn't understand the story until you laid it out here. It was excellent. You can definitely see the signs of Troy beginning to reach for independence, but people expecting him to just turn immediately are really expecting too much. Whatever his conflicts with his sister, she did keep him alive for years when should could have left him anywhere. She did show appreciation towards what he brought. They had a lot of fun together. Why would he instantly flip on her? Maybe in years. Maybe he gets sick of her... maybe he gets a redemption arc. But this plot was moving way to fast for anything like that to happen.

[@lilaX3154]

2020 so far: “FLEE IN PANIC!! TRAMPLE ALL IN YOUR PATH!!!!”

[@BoELoot]

Typhon, Tyreen, and Troy are Frank, Dee, and Dennis from "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia". Change my mind.

[@cymonin5549]

I legit quite like Troy's character "development", I just wish that he ended up accidentally killing Tyreen when charging Elpis, by leeching all of her strength. Imo, wouldve made the story a bit better.

[@june570]

Would have been nice for him to either be the final boss cause he'd betrayed tyreen or maybe have some redemption Arc where he goes back home and meet typhon.

[@silent0089]

Calypso Twins: **exists** BL Community: meh Ava: **exists** BL Community: AEUGH

[@Maaarrrrk]

They made them act like handsome jack and abit Of KZbin streamers. But Handsome Jack was WAY BETTER. And Ava because of how selfish and annoying she acted

[@Davidpoland2005]

@@Maaarrrrk she wasnt selfish and stuff, all she wanted is be a vault hunter and shes still young, give her more time for development

[@pkx402]

Dawid ek thats what i thought its legit a child like come on

[@KingRogue]

@@Davidpoland2005 even if she is a child she's still an asshole

[@khulagukhan]

ava is just a failed abortion.

[@fromashesreborn.]

during the Atlas at Last mission, when you just start it, Tyreen mentions something about giving Katagawa Jr a "little push", and coincidentally, Katagawa Jr now has a blatant copy of Zer0's Atlas gear. Whether Tyreen actually gave Katagawa the blueprints[?], maybe just a full on remake of the suit, or if Katagawa had the suit in the works ever since Atlas became a problem, I don't know - but i'm still curious.

[@ivantamkovich1857]

Still can’t understand the fact that they were conjoined twins and only Troy has a bionic arm. Where are Tyreen’s scars, she seems absolutely normal.

[@johnhandzlik659]

Maybe her scars are on her back covered over by cape Or any other part of her body that hidden by cloths

[@jacobwells9207]

That, my friend, is the plague of Mary Sue-ism at work: damage men all you want, but never damage a woman

[@adamgray1753]

Exactly, @@jacobwells9207. This most likely is the very reason why Troy had to die... alongside our hopes and dreams that BL3's story would *eventually* get better. Now if he had betrayed his sister and even turned out to be somehow an Eridian or what have you now this would of really sparked the moment, "Wow! The Great War the Guardian mentioned at the end of TPS is really coming to fruition!".

[@michaelknox3715]

@@adamgray1753 I don't believe you

[@coltoncharlebois3350]

@jacob wells or design choices

[@jorgejfranco3820]

It’s ironic how in borderlands 2 jack never interacted in person with the vault hunters until the boss fight (pretty much a coward) , but tyreen and Troy show up several times (underestimated the vault hunters)

[@sullysosavage365]

The cutscene incompetence is so egregious in this game

[@leespencerzombie]

You make these characters more bearable with this lore. can't wait for a new telltales borderlands.

[@hongkongshitposter]

Telltale went bankrupt

[@adamgray1753]

Yeah, @@hongkongshitposter. It sucks. Maybe you can still find the Tales From The Borderlands games on some reputable torrent sites.

[@beansowles]

@@hongkongshitposter telltale games went bankrupt, yes but they closed down in 2018 with only 25 employees to fulfil company obligations but as of i think last year TTG and some of their games were bought by a company called LCG Entertainment and can probably still expect some more games

[@hongkongshitposter]

@@adamgray1753 you can still buy it off steam

[@hongkongshitposter]

@@adamgray1753 nevermind

[@virgiljericho664]

I feel like most people only hate Tyreen and Troy because they had a tough enemy to live up to like Handsome Jack

[@mechredd]

Handsome Jack was one of the best villains ever. He's definitely hard to live up to and the calypso twins fail in that regard. I feel like gearbox wanted people to hate them. They knew that they couldn't make a vilian as well liked as Jack, so they decided to go the opposite way. My main gripe with them is how Troy became a siren. They're fraternal Siamese twins are theoretically possible, but there is no documented case of it ever occurring, or at least them being carried to term. I think Troy being the result of experimentation or genetic engineering would make more sense. And since nearly every borderlands character with known sexuality is gay or bi, a transgender siren would be par for the corse with this franchise.

[@hoki-oho6408]

No they are just crungt and annoying

[@hiramjackson8322]

It is hard to live up to a villain like Jack. But that's not the whole point. They just aren't as developed in the story.

[@adxdenerlx6969]

I hate how so many people online just define them as 'streamers'. Way better to describe them as cult leaders who take advantage of communication technology to spread their cult.

[@TTYDpapermario]

so a streamer

[@adxdenerlx6969]

@@TTYDpapermario Very simplified, yes, but again, simplified

[@Adam-yq9xe]

Except they flat out act and talk like streamers.

[@adxdenerlx6969]

@@Adam-yq9xe No one in the history of ever has said they aren't. My comment said that it's a very simplified view of them. How can you misinterpret that?

[@EskiMosher]

@@adxdenerlx6969There were only like 2 or 3 scenes where they were presented as streamers. Usually they acted like the cult leaders they are. But everyone seems to hate them mostly because of that reason. Guess i'm just one of the few people who actually liked them.

[@hollowheart]

Man their echo logs and lore is WAY better than all their main quest dialogue

[@Chris_J._Cueto]

The twins werent bad as antagonists, I actually thought they were a breath of fresh air, it's just hard to live up to how Handsome Jack developed into a villian and as a character, basically 3 games dedicated to his development and the cause of his actions. The twins were good on their own right, but Jack is one of a kind.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

I think there main problem was not fleshing out more of them in just the main story they only talked to insult you and didn't really explain much of there side or life except troy who started rambling about there old life and what happened and how he's finally free which reminded me of jack in the other sequel cause he tried to be a hero but lilith messed it up as well as him being blinded by the power of the warrior throwing him off track to being a villain troy could have done exactly this and been a great villain but it's sad that after he died tyreen didn't show any remorse or grief towards what happened if they at least made her acknowledge what happened and had shown she cared that he died it would have already helped the story alot

[@dogboydom]

A much needed borderlands vid from the man with the golden gamer voice 🤣👌👍

[@PhanTimon]

Troy: "Find out what they want and promise it to them, even if its a total lie. that's what leaders do" Sounds like modern politics

[@benjaminmacpherson1336]

Troy was A LOT smarter that he was shown during the story.

[@anwenlokier2292]

19:58 in my school vr game, the Grazen reversed Troy life and he died to Cellular deverstation (a form of divine punishment for male sirens for exsisting)

[@cory7852]

I will now on refer to “vomit” as stomach gravy

[@chrisboone663]

IM SO GLAD YOU GOT YOUR CHANNEL BACK MAN I immediately had to come binge these cuz I was jus about to when the hack happened man

[@carrotmaster8521]

It could have been so much more, their backstory is great i just wish they did a bit more in the last part of the story that used this potential.

[@killerbee1974]

a video about typhon would be nice. also it goes to show that people lived on pandora long before the companies came in. like in history, people live in areas long before the public show up.

[@GaryTurbo]

The influencer thing seems like a good idea for a villain. The narcissism, conceited self centered personality and the crazy people stupid enough to worship them does write itself

[@905JimRaynor]

Great video. I did not fully understand the Borderlands3 story. Your video helped a lot. Thanks man. U pwn, hard.

[@mysticspark2694]

Noting can beat jacks backstory

[@michaelknox3715]

All other borderlands villains are inferior to Handsome Jack the Tyrant. Especially Commandant Steele

[@mysticspark2694]

Michael Knox 2nd best is zarpadorn not because of how she mocked us but actually working with guardians to keep the vault safe

[@michaelknox3715]

@@mysticspark2694 I don't think she ever mocked us. Zarpadon was just a professional soldier doing what she thought was the right thing.

[@mariannepoirier2552]

I really like Handsome Jack because he's the definition of the quote (I don't know where it comes from) that says that a villain is only a hero whose story hasn't yet been told. Because he isn't bad until Lilith punches that artefact in his face. And his dream to purge Pandora of the bandits and scum is not a bad idea. His execution of it is the thing that sucks. I like the Calypsos' backstory, but since they don't have another depth than they're the bad guys, cult leaders and "Gods", I can't like them as much as a villain with a past made of good and whose devotion to ending corruption is so intense. Maybe I just like Jack, I don't know. XD

[@kysdie9979]

I prefer angels backstory

[@Glitchy1436]

I feel like there could have been a story where Troy becomes obsessed with uniting the siren powers in one body that body being him

[@cr12431]

The crimson raiders didn't know the vault monsters were important until the calypso 's told them the mission was to get the tech the vault hold

[@wickedthemadhatter9713]

Troy is actually a really good villain and character imo I do like that he turned tyreen into the god queen plus when he actually got power he was fairly cool compared to miss shallow. Hell she treated him poorly after all of the things he did for her

[@jacobweatherford4696]

I kinda hope in the next borderlands we can play as a siren with tyrenes powers.

[@NovaClapp]

When you realize borderlands 3 was a waste of two favorite characters firehawk and maya

[@monsterhunterrivi6303]

pff ain't that the truth...i wanted to see Lilith go full on Firehawk on the oppositions. VAPORIZING entire platoons like we know she can.

[@gogito_03]

And zero

[@thottea434]

@@gogito_03 he means death, zer0 didnt die. Maya and Lilith did

[@gogito_03]

@@thottea434 good point

[@BowtieFlumph]

Honestly if we got a prequel for this I'd love to play around with their powers

[@Kubinda12345]

Tyreen and Troy kind of remind me of Cersei and Jaime from A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. Not the twincest but the thing that in both pairs the female was the more dominant of the two and were dragging their respective brother to darkness with them. On the other hand the brothers were submissive and had a potential to become quite decent human beings if only they had better role model.

[@Lupostehgreat]

I honestly think the biggest problem that they had with these 2 honestly comes down to tone. They spent too much time portraying them as fun villains, and while this was true of Jack, as well, they never really had their changeover to be menacing and serious the way Jack did. Because of this, it never really felt like we were doing anything to effect their decisions. This made us feel like witnesses to the story rather than drivers of said story.

[@THawkMedia]

"FLEE AND PANIC, TRAMPLE ALL IN YOUR PATH" (immense screaming) Sums up 2020 so far

[@maideofhoner]

Why don't you do something like this watching news in the news guests already said it was fake

[@PegasiJay]

Some of the dialogue between Arialia and the Calypsos heavily foreshadowed that Tyreen would eventually turn on her brother. I was actually surprised when it didn't happen.

[@rpsnider85]

They had set up the Troy betrayal as well too. He started out not really wanting anything, certainly nothing that would hurt people and cause destruction. Hell, he wanted to just stay on Nekro with Tyreen and live out their days peacefully without their dad. But unfortunately Tyreen wanted more and he literally had no choice but to go with her or he'd die. When he did get power of his own, stolen from Maya, he even mentions multiple times about his way being better and subtly starts asserting himself more. Many of us saw the real possibility of him betraying her, likely leeching her to death as he is still able to do that AND he'd gain all her stolen powers as well, but he never did. He stayed faithful to his sister and her dream, probably only because he had also assumed her dream as his own by then. I think they went about it in an alright way honestly. Making him betray her is easy to screw up, but it's also pretty simple to get right as well. The ground work for the betrayal was already laid in their dialogue and story. Had he leeched her and became the main antongist by himself, he'd have been more of a threat than Tyreen did by leeching his corpse, because he'd have gained her leech powers (to Leech ANYTHING alive instead of just Sirens), in addition to Lilliths and his already acquired Maya powers. Then he can leech the destroyer and instead of Tyreen, who never had the powers of Maya at her disposal, you have Troy in possession of all the abilities including the power boost from the Destroyer and that's just a nightmare. Honestly if they made another DLC and it was a non cannon alternate ending style thing just for fun, and had that happen, Troy would be a ridiculously hard raid boss.

[@m.s.e.advanced2842]

Ah yes the history of Wasted and Potential

[@Dubstequtie]

I freaking love Troy. I was sad when he died. He didn't KNOW any better for some things, but other things, he knew he couldn't get anywhere without his evil sister. Tyreen was only selfish, as she did not get all that she wished for when she was younger. But I love Troy, his character had lots of potential. Lots of undertones people don't pick up on really and it's sad because they just sweep him under the rug as "villainy" when truly he isn't. :/

[@hiramjackson8322]

Their backstory is pretty legit in concept. They wanted to become something great but ended up with power that enabled them to become something greater. They're still annoying live streamers, but the motive turns out to be a twisted childhood dream. I can dig that. The developers failed to execute them as characters tho. Little to no opportunities for growth and development, and the opportunities that were present were missed. And it's a real shame too. They were annoying and the dialogue was just not funny, but that's all subjective. They were pretty sharp by Borderlands standards. They could've been great antagonists. Sucks to say, but the twins are the epitome of wasted potential.

[@justcallmealien7031]

The siren lady blesses up with stomach gravy.

[@salamander5171]

I honestly really like the idea of a male siren. It's something unexplored in the series. Even with my limited knowledge I know that male sirens shouldn't exist. But it's such an interesting idea. I wish they explored it more. Troy as a character was fun to see how he worked. Wish we saw more of him.

[@PancakeNation]

Imagine if Troy returned to become a hero.

[@coyote360]

Biggest question, well one of them, now is where did Tyreens leech power go? Wont the next siren born be a leech all over again?

[@dragosanders4234]

It goes to the person the previous user thinks about if there is no person then it goes to the universe and randomly seeks a host

[@amazonbox8717]

As much as they sucked it was so satisfying to see Troy call down every single Psycho and Bandit on the VH and they still got obliterated.

[@owaine-changaming]

Troy is actually a pretty good character it’s a shame the same can’t be said for Tyreen

[@MASTERmw100]

At one point in the story it did seem likely that Troy was gonna betray tyrenee but IT NEVER HAPPENED.

[@kidz4p509]

If he did, he would mentioned how parasites can sometimes kill.

[@bssublime1001]

Nice vid man! Its no sup matto vid 😢 but great job non the less

[@lotion5238]

I love Troy man. You can tell they were trying to bring him from an underling to realizing how awesome he was to himself from Eden-6 onwards. They could have totally done so much more with him and I think he's got that charm Jack had but he just didn't really get an opportunity to shine long enough.

[@zak7886]

for some reason im kinda confused with the vaults on pandora... there's more than 1 vault on pandora right?and the destroyer in BL 1 and BL3 are the same right?

[@brandonmyers1876]

The vaults are to the same monster but have have different purposes as explained by Nyriad. In borderlands 1 the vault opened was a feeding vault that opens periodically so the destroyer can feed and stay sated in its cage. The great vault is the entirety of pandora and imprisons the destroyer with a eridium crust made by the eridians.

[@TheKabukimann]

My first playthrough was with amara who is a siren too. I was always wondering why the calypsos never attacked the vault hunters/ Amara in particular. There is a Siren right before them similar to lillith/ maya but no the vault hunters get completely ignored.

[@coyote360]

I mean their story fell apart toward the end because all the buildup went nowhere and it was like what could have been was just abandoned. BUT never have I had such a videogame crush as on these two. So mixed feelings. 💁‍♀️

[@ninonerd3392]

Another problem with then is that they don't leave an impact as much as Jack did. There were two dlcs about the effects of jacks power. Tina lost her father figure roland and her parents to hyeprion. Mordecai lost blood wing, etc

[@maggiem5212]

Who thought Troy had popcorn the first time you saw this cutscene lol . 16:00

[@kidz4p509]

He might as well fill that goblet with popcorn just for fun.

[@DoctorCreepygaming]

In my opinion they did a good job making you hate them. I think that’s what a villains for. It also made it a lot more sweeter when you killed them

[@The_Archer-he2ft]

You know, i really wish i could understand why troy had to die in such a lackluster way, if they had made tyreen get killed thanks to troy draining too much power it would have been better after all, troy could be motivated to universe destruction if given his own goal

[@guyperson7487]

Man, this actually makes Borderlands 3's villains sound good.

[@JustMike_Official]

I had massive hopes that at some point the rift between Tyreen and Troy would grow too much, him perhaps actually feeling pity and wanting to help the people of Pandora regain their senses, while Tyreen would just become too obsessed with her god complex schtick.

[@KARL00300]

Wow it just hit me that tyreen killed both her mum and dad Huh

[@MP_400]

"I'm gonna put dubstep over your death and post it on the echo-net and get loads of veiws. It's gonna be friggin' awesome" - the handsome sorcerer.

[@yusufferguson3138]

Honestly all these lore videos have shown me the bandit writing is impressive

[@danielemmanuel6261]

The calypsos had so much potential

[@andrewnogueira3013]

Also by the way the siren story go, makes is seem like the destroyer has some sort of influence on the leach siren

[@CplShephard1]

11:30 Pandoras vault key. Am I the only one who thinks this is inspired by Pandora's box? "Any source of great and unexpected troubles" or "A present which seems valuable but which in reality is a curse" The whole story of Borderlands seems to based on this Greek mythology - well kind of.

[@rodrigolnl]

but it kinda is. Before bl3 there was quite some theories about that, for example Promethea was said to be after Prometheus, Promethea was the first planet to discover Vaults, so it is the bringer of the knowledge/technology, Prometheus gave us the fire, the bringer of that knoledge/technology.

[@gagerosenberry]

Fun fact I'm almost positive Troy wearsa mask because a part of his face has the metal things that are on handsome Jack's mask

[@assassinmaster3419]

When they took Lilith's powers, I just said to my cousins who were playing this me, "she is getting sniper shot and shotgunned in the face"

[@Orbital.Gate.Resuscitate]

so happy to see you doing these history videos now that supmatto is gone :^) great job on this i love it

[@02091992able]

Flee in panic! Trample all in your path! Has a whole new meaning here in 2020. Some one sneezes someone probably is going to shout it.

[@gabriellockwood2780]

I want to know which part of the Destroyer Tyreen leeches//unlocks from the Vault? We unlock & kill its mouth in BL1, Jack gets the Eye for Helios Station, which was at the mouth... So was this the Destroyers ass in BL3?

[@magnoliaeclair7822]

This is the epitome of wated potential! If they stick with the Bandit warlord or siren on a path of conquest or something like that it would be fun! But nooo they say, they want a streamer.

[@blitzerycrewis1264]

You made a right choice on you're BGM