The Holy Spirit: God of Chaos and Confusion or Reverence and Order?

[@raquelcastellini4572]

"My grace is sufficient enough" my daughter OD. 7 years ago. I prayed and prayed for God To deliver Her. But she passed away 26 years old. I don't question God why! Yes it was painful. But His grace is sufficient enough for me! 🙏

[@rtctech4165]

Amen

[@Savedbygrace22]

🤗 Sister

[@kathypartee3314]

I’m praying for you right now.

[@motorTranz]

My condolences. May God richly bless you.

[@HeyItsJDanni]

Oh raquelcastellini, I am so sorry for your loss. Yes, you are strong. God is the reason you are strong. Keep leaning on Him. God bless you, sister.

[@scottgonzalez7574]

Oh man, we so appreciate you and your service to the Lord and the body of Christ!!!

[@sunniedaze23]

Perfect timing. Coffee and cessationists. Much love and God bless!

[@mattydubz3466]

😂

[@mariestreeting4213]

Ha ha, I’ve just sat down with my Coffee too 🙏

[@bigtobacco1098]

I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history

[@kathymathison9131]

I know that the Holy Spirit indwells in me and He lets me know continually when I do anything that is wrong. I pray daily for my Lord to lead and direct me and I feel that working in me on a daily basis.

[@energizer7354]

This topic is a huge reason i left my charismatic church. I was the children’s department leader. Our original paster died and the new ‘paster’ at first kept to a decent timely order but after a year kept going super long. That was a huge strain on my department that had a very tight time frame (because we only have so much resources and space to keep the kids engaged, going long over the kids would get board after the lessons completion while waiting for their parents to come and was a huge stress for our low number of volunteers ) when this was brought up the feed back was that it was the move of the spirit that kept making service so long and wasnt anything they could do. What few. Services i did attend i knew it was just this paster getting emotionally worked up and excusing his undisciplined ability to keep track of time by blaming the holy spirit

[@Savedbygrace22]

Wow no concept of being a shepherd to all the sheep including you and the kids. Knowing scripture should reveal the humility and care for all on behalf of Christ. Glad you’re out of there. Sounds very experientially focused 🙏

[@kathypartee3314]

I’m glad you left.

[@HeReignsJohn3-16]

I attended a church where this happened regularly - the service started at 10.30am but there was coffee before, so tried to get there for 10.15am. With young children 4 and 6 who would have had breakfast at around 8am. They’d have juice and one biscuit at 10.15. So 11am the children left the main service to go to someone who was in the children ministry like yourself. Often the service would then go on until 12.45pm, on occasion 1pm! That’s around 5 hours without a meal for young children, its a long time! They’d usually have dinner at 12am. So I can’t imagine the job you had with children getting hungry as well as restless, going an hour over their usual lunch time. I don’t understand how this wasn’t taken into account, It’s just basic needs for kids to have a routine time for meals. By the time we got home it would be 1.30pm and we’d have to give the children preprepared food as soon as they got out of the youth team room.

[@stevenewman1393]

Amen to the very fabulous total factual truth of it all on the Holy Spirit, In Yeshua's most Holy glorious wonderful and beautifully powerful loving name Amen!🙌.

[@sarahhurst701]

I'm learning so much from you, Justin. God bless you greatly.❤

[@cenoviaarroyo]

I follow both of you and I really appreciate you both brothers! I’m grateful for your voice in speaking truth! I just started my Masters in Biblical Studies at the Masters University and I am amazed at how easily the Word of God is abused. The Holy Spirit does indeed help us, to lead us into all truth and reminds us of Jesus. Without the Holy Spirit, it would be impossible for me to say that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I wouldn’t be able to open up the Bible and KNOW it’s all true, I just couldn’t do that without the Spirit of God.

[@PoetiqueMs]

I like that Justin referred to this as a hampster wheel that leaves us disillusioned. That is exactly how I felt when I was part of the pentecostal church. I am so happy to be free of that teaching now.

[@joeblogs-vx4ep]

You've jumped out of the frying pan But in to which fire 🔥

[@PoetiqueMs]

@joeblogs-vx4ep I have no idea what you mean by this.

[@drewrowl]

​@@PoetiqueMs Repetive nonsense that gets you back to the same place empty handed tv gospels that are pissing out of the bowl

[@bigtobacco1098]

​@@joeblogs-vx4eporthodoxy

[@pianomanny1397]

Just finished reading this book. As one who has moved away from the Charismatic Movement this was invaluable in gaining a proper,biblical understanding of the work of the Holy Spirit. Thank you Dr. Scott for your tremendous work.

[@MicheleKemper]

Wonderful and insightful video. Thank you so much.

[@samrossispeakssingsfilms2781]

Holy Spirit has miraculously healed me, family members, and friends many times over the years, and I fully honor the authority of God's Word.

[@Adoozyofaday]

The phrase “Don’t put God in a box”, is just Christianese for “I don’t have an answer to that so don’t ask questions .” I can’t stand when people say that. It’s just a way to try to silence people. God put himself in a box. It’s called the Bible.

[@teenasmith4475]

Absolutely!! AMEN!

[@-RM-]

I left a church around 2021 which was led by a newly-hired, left-leaning Pastor and a group of Elders who lacked discernment. They were one of those churches that had everything right on their Doctrinal Statement but the day-to-day practices didn't align with the Statement. Since I left, I've occasionally checked back in to see what's going on (through watching some online services). I noticed that their worship music has become much more charismatic, with Hillsong/Bethel songs being mixed in with old hymns. Sad to see this church going in the wrong direction. But, I have since found a great Reformed Baptist church committed to all the right things, and I'm happy there. Discernment content like this video has been very helpful to me over the last several years. A big "Thank You" to both Justin and Scott for this discussion!

[@sharonnorth8349]

I am one of those middle roaders. I tried the charismatic and found a lot of evil spirit they were listening to and doing. I am not in agreement with the cessationist. I have listened to John McArthur for years. I recently found your channel. I have learned much from JM and have learned much from you. I will continue to view your channel and pray for you, even though we disagree on some things, we both agree on so much else. Thanks.

[@Dross-s5n]

Same.

[@Kuwaitisnot_adeployment]

If I went out tomorrow and scammed elderly people at nursing homes out of all their money I'd be arrested. So how is it ok for these charlatans to come on national TV and scam our elders? Someone make that make sense please smh

[@lindajohnson4204]

Powerful people want charlatans to discredit Christianity? And of course, behind the powerful people is the devil.

[@Kuwaitisnot_adeployment]

@lindajohnson4204 that's true. I wasn't really asking I just worded it that way for dramatic effect but yeah you're 100% right. ✌🏻✌🏿✌🏾💯 God bless sister

[@kurtarron6482]

Because it's all about the$. People do not matter. People are commodities, or opportunity to a means to get rich quick. When they say no to GOD, and Bible says they will, they gradually loose any compassion or empathy they might have had. To not walk with Him is to walk away from Him. Money is all that matters to them. It's all they see now

[@lindajohnson4204]

@@Kuwaitisnot_adeployment And thank you, "Kuwait is not a deployment". I was just making conversation, I think. God bless you.

[@bronzewing1965]

❤😢

[@squatpuke]

I finished this book last week...it's excellent!! Highly recommend.

[@KlausFischmann-cs6fr]

Can you please Tell Me what's The Price for this Book🤔?? I Had an Book by Elane Paigels(?) actually good Book but If I found Out SHE is or was Connected with The Rockefeller Organisation or something like that I was so disapointed😢😭and gave The Book away! Dhangh 😱 Elaine Paigels is/was Connected with The Rockefeller Organisation 🤮😓Not good at all!

[@johnetanneso5095]

I am French but I would like to get this book because I need to “strengthen” my foundations concerning the works of the Holy Spirit. I think I have a bit of a "Baptist" side regarding the Holy Spirit and I don't agree with a lot of things I see in churches today... do you think this book could help me ?

[@jeannemiller8362]

Keep up the good work Justin!! Love your show and learning so much!

[@jamesguinan]

I'm Still learning 🎯 Thank you Justin Peters 🙏

[@seannel4996]

Great stuff Justin!

[@DianeJarvis-f1o]

When I became a Christian at 16, I attended an FIEC church (Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches). Very Reformed; very Calvinistic; and very Cessationist. I have never since attended a church that had such great exegetical preaching of the Word. ONLY the Authorised Version of the Bible was used. Some years later, and married, my husband and I attended an AOG church. The gift of tongues and other gifts of the Spirit were used (though not by me; apart from anything else I am very reserved by nature) but everything was very orderly and, again, the Bible was taught in an exegetical manner. Once, however, we attended a certain week long, interdenominational conference and a ‘move of the Spirit’ apparently broke out; though it seemed to bypass me. I was so shocked! It started out with hysterical laughter and descended to people crawling on all fours and barking wildly like dogs. I don’t think it was demonic or anything like that, but it was so obviously manufactured and hysterical. There was certainly nothing orderly about it. I do believe in the use of the Gifts of the Spirit today, but we should be very discerning. If it is disorderly and tie-curlingly cringy, we should probably avoid it and it is almost certainly of the flesh and not the Spirit.

[@RonMeadows-ri1ec]

God taught me early on...because I asked Him to help me sift through all the "Self Appointed" experts....

[@DarrylPassow]

AMEN

[@Vitaconfide]

I appreciated the book greatly. It’s a great, easy to read, resource.

[@raquelcastellini4572]

Thank you for your teaching! Many blessings! I don't know what I am but I feel the same!!! Many blessings 🙏💞

[@Savedbygrace22]

@11:00 I think Scott made a great point people miss. You have to make a second category of prophesy to be a continuationist. Any time God speaks it is authoritative. The people who believe those gifts continue always say no, this isn’t new scripture but how can God speak less than authoritative in any way? It’s a dissatisfaction of the sufficiency of scripture. Kathryn Krick says god is doing a new thing outside of scripture so she can manipulate people who don’t know scripture. Cults love this type of teaching. Sufficiency and a closed canon is a guardian against false teaching.

[@radokenen9048]

Nice picture on the wall brother !❤😊

[@HeReignsJohn3-16]

Yes!!! Thank you soo much Justin for the new picture behind you 🙏🙏🙏

[@michaelmccracken172]

Justin, isn’t this “second category” of prophecy not essentially the same argument as Papal Infallibility? It’s only infallible when it’s infallible. Circular argument! Thanks to you and Scott!

[@Leslieisaboynametoo]

Don't agree with Reformed theology or cessationism but you guys are awesome. I admire the Reformed Baptist tradition for their commitment to Scripture and its sufficiency. Please keep up.

[@helenavanderwesthuizen6623]

Thanx Justin🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@thomaslewis7496]

Morning Justin Thanks for your Videos 🙏

[@lonnieclemens8028]

It's good to hear you guys speak on this topic. Enjoy reading and studying the bible. Enjoy the Christian life.

[@angelawindom4711]

From the start I will say Reverence & Order! Chaos & Confusion is what the devil and his demons do as well as ungodly people! Justin, TY Dear One!!

[@maxmustermann1206]

Wish I could make it to G3 this year. It's the exact same weekend as our annual men's retreat. 2 years ago, they were on back to back weekends.

[@motorTranz]

Excellent discussion! Thank you gentlemen!

[@chesedsozo7840]

But for the grace of the eternal first person of the eternal triune Godhead YAHWEH, I would be a cessationist. Instead, by His grace, I am a continuationist. Thank You sooo much, Father!😊

[@lindajohnson4204]

"There are three errors to avoid. Some pretend to be guided by the Spirit and neglect the written Word. Some despise the teaching of the Spirit and trust to their own understanding of the Word. Others reject both the Spirit and the Word and go after another rule and guide. "To none of these is the promise of the Spirit given. They are left to their foolish, corrupt imaginations. "Scripture is the believer’s rule and the Holy Spirit is his guide. "Do we continue in prayer, and abound in prayer, as we ought, for that Spirit who alone can lead us into all truth? For that unction which teaches us all things with assurance and experience? There is no duty in this world more acceptable to God than fervent prayers for a right understanding of his mind and will in his Word. On this, everything else depends." -John Owen, _Pneumatology,_ written in the 1600's.

[@lindajohnson4204]

Owen lived and wrote in the 1600s. His use of the word, "unction", shows that this is not a strange, new teaching. The idea of the "unction" of the Holy Spirit, NOTHING like wild, disorderly Azusa Street manifestations, is the old way of thinking. Those Christians would never dream of conceding an experience of the Holy Spirit to something like that. That is not the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't mean there is no experience of God. The experiences the Bible teaches are the ones we should desire and seek.

[@libertylarochelle8517]

Thank you. ❤ Australia 🇦🇺

[@darrellpage9098]

Love the change in the background !!!! God bless you brother !!!

[@Yesica1993]

Oh, wow. What a shame he gave in to lunatics saying he had horns. We should never do that! It just empowers them. Sad to see this.

[@NARwarsgalaxy]

It was distracting and I'm glad he changed it as well. I love Justin and how he shares truth and exposes error but it did in fact look like horns on his head and had to go!

[@Savedbygrace22]

@Yesica1993 I thought it looked like a halo 😂 This might be for this video only. 🤷‍♀️😊

[@HeReignsJohn3-16]

@Yesica1993 nobody said this man of God had “horns” but the background unfortunately with the top cut off the circle did look like horns. It has been bought up more times than I can remember and such an easy fix to change it. Why on earth you would call people lunatics for something they couldn’t help noticing.

[@chrisland4023]

In "Experiencing God," it is taught that God will reveal why you went through a trial. That is false. I should know. God never told me why I went through cancer 17 years ago. After reading that in Blackaby's book, it started my progression to cessationism.

[@hjlydia]

Well, neither did God tell Job the reason for his woes.

[@ReformedView717]

24:00 If you are desiring to read and follow His Word then you have grace upon you. If you’re a regenerate believer then you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit leading us to truth. No one seeks God. Therefore if you are, you are being lead by Jesus Christ(John 16&17) His Word is what reveals truth and sanctifies us. However, to commune with the Holy Spirit as Paul says in Corinthians that’s a two way street. We have a living God who comforts and strengthens us. We feel it. I may not have the way to explain it but it’s the mystery of God. Be careful of Hyper cessation. To have a relationship with Jesus He is not distant. Let’s not lose the forest for the trees. God bless you guys. Truly love what you guys do to spread the gospel. That’s the most important thing!

[@FrankRollberg]

You need to have a face to face debate on hyper cessationism with this individual. It will benefit the body of Christ. Just a thought.

[@tctljc]

Sound doctrine. Well done.

[@ambientlight3876]

I question that any of the gifts have remained today. The term "sign gifts" is only used to my knowledge in 1 Corintians 14:22. Its interesting to note that the last person we receive authoritative prophesy is from Jesus and then the Apostles. As for the question if a prophesy is infallible, we receive such texts as 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22" and 1 Corinthians 14:26-33. These texts put tongues and prophesy at the time as less authoritative, and subordinate to scripture. Furthermore these gifts were used , not as authoritative words from the Lord, but to encourage the congregation that heard them. It seems the last authoritative prophetic messages in the Bible were from Jesus and the Apostles. This shows me that God did indeed cease bringing such prophetic words with the completion of scripture. That being said, what about the so called "other gifts" that supposedly remain today? I strongly doubt it. There is nothing even remotely supernatural about these abilities. They seem like simple talents, skills and training that people possess that are simply used to glorify God and build up others. First, Paul doesn't separate these gifts into 'remaining' and 'ceasing'. For example, in 1 Coritnithians 12: 7-10 we get gifts of healing, prophesy and words of knowledge along with words of wise advice. In Romans 12: 6-16 we also get a list that has the gift of prophesy along with serving, teaching encouragement, generosity, leadership and kindness. These 'remaining gifts' can easily be understood as the way God has created people with their own distinct traits, the fruit of the Spirit or simply discipleship and training. Haven't all of us seen non-Christians who are great servants, encouragers and generous? I've even met talented teachers who aren't believers. The character traits are a byproduct of the fruit of the Spirit or a combination of natural disposition, training and skill sets. So from my observation, not only have the so-called "Sign Gifts" ceased, they all have, being replaced by the Scriptures themselves, the Fruit of the Spirit and discipleship.

[@margiehughes9783]

AMEN❤

[@Jorma-e4t]

Justin , thanks for all the videos, I agree with you 100%. Only one complaint,the picture behind you looks like you have horns.

[@vclily-y3m]

Thank you so much.

[@truth8887]

Relating to min22:15 about Biblical language, I found there are many translations and Bible version. The latest one is Amplified Bible which in my opinion exaggerated in meaning. What do you think?

[@rvacandles1871]

This is the way I read the word these three are done there are no new Prophecy or need for profits .

[@RonMeadows-ri1ec]

They "ALL" ..."Claim" to be "Called by God" !...they are always right and the others are wrong....Lol. Personally....I get "My" orders from "Headquarters"....1 John 2:27

[@growinginthegraceandknowle7826]

In the dead churches the Holy Spirit is quenched so He is not allowed to show divine order as is proper in a fellowship that is led by the Spirit.

[@deborahparrish2201]

Justin, would you be interested in doing a podcast on John Piper's "christian hedonism" and what exactly he means by this term? If he simply means liberty in Christ as a true believer, why link a negatively perceived term such as "hedonism" to the Christian life? This troubles me and I wonder if I am just being ridiculous. Thank you.

[@ashleyparsman3093]

Christian's are led by both the Holy Spirit and the word of God. The Holy Spirit guides Christians in their relationship with God and the Bible is the word of God

[@MyHanck]

Our problem is our free will, mate. We are in bondage to sin and unable to free ourselves. We live in a closed system and there is no way out of except by hearing the promise from outside of us from preaching from a preacher giving us faith by the Holy Spirit to believe the promise given and heard.

[@RuthAllen-j9m]

Great analysis, thank you! I have a quick question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (mistake turkey blossom warfare blade until bachelor fall squeeze today flee guitar). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?

[@dave-ng4sr]

The role of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Christ!!

[@LindaKirby-d6t]

I also feel the Holy Spirit leading and directing me. Nothing outside of the Holy Bible. No, I do not speak in tongues.

[@hjlydia]

Among churches that do praise and worship you'd be hard-pressed to find any non-Bethel, non-Hillsong, and non-Elevation music.

[@johnsiverls116]

Thanks as believers we have tons of materials on the Holy Spirit. I don't believe that God is not confused. Actions that highly self are questionable!!. The power to live separated, Holy with the fruit of the Spirit manifesting within our being were love rules is my understanding. I did not listen to what was said before I I texted this thought but gifts and manifestations are an issue especially when character and demeanor are absent. The Orthodoxy have a lot to say on character and humility. The Longing for God is tradition from the early church that we seem to have lost. That deep commitment to live a separate Holy live is greatly in need today. Just my opinion. Blessing to everyone all the time 😂❤😊😄❤🙏🙏🙏

[@WesleyGospel146]

Jeff Doles, Miracles and Manifestations, ch. 7. John Knox was a prophet.

[@kurtarron6482]

I think too many times in this world, we all tend to put GOD in a box. He is GOD. Therefore there should be no absolutes. We do not know what He may or may not do at any given time. He is awesome! He is ALmighty! We know little of what He truly is. I love how He shows up to me in so many wonderful ways. Always unexpected and undeserved. He is awesome! And many times He came in ways that I too said He would NEVER do! Who am I??? HE is GOD and HE is not One that man should understand Him. His ways always will be higher than our own, even when we get home. I wonder if my Father actually likes being with me now, now that I try ever so hard not to put Him in a box. Hmm

[@cactusblob1688]

VIRTUALLY EVERY HERESY IN THE CHURCH TODAY COMES FROM "SPIRIT-FILLED" CHARISMATICS. BUT =WHICH= SPIRIT IS IT?

[@mariodebeer]

That is true!!!!!!They operate under a different spirit than the Holy Spirit........I don't see how anyone filled with the Holy Spirit can do and say the things they say!!!

[@victortorres7314]

Minute 36 there hyper cessationism is showing God can do miracles but he wont and we shouldn’t expect it at all.

[@mikeworsley1773]

I’m a card carrying cessationist and logically my eschatology is cessationist too

[@truthtriumphs5289]

What about unity? My guess is that Roman Catholics (I was speaking to one former RC) using this argument against Protestantism is divided into multiple camps...

[@KlausFischmann-cs6fr]

Yep that's right 🐸and I asked already where is The UNITY amongst Christians✝️?!

[@stevenlindsey2056]

​@KlausFischmann-cs6frWe are to have unity in the truth of God's word. We are not to have unity with blasphemers and heretics.

[@EKelly-nu7op]

But I have spoken in tongues for 40 years ever since I prayed and asked the Lord for the gift of tongues and also for discernment. I would very much like an explanation as to why I have this gift. Thank you.

[@stevenlindsey2056]

Speaking gibberish is not the gift of tongues. The Apostle Paul taught that tongues were given as a sign to unbelievers.

[@EKelly-nu7op]

Well, it certainly is not gibberish and it seems like a complex language that is similar to the Semitic languages.

[@HeReignsJohn3-16]

@@EKelly-nu7op when I was a child I went to a Pentecostal church and always stood next to the same elderly lady. She spoke in tongues and I vividly remember the sounds as often they were repeated. Years later I read the word Shalom which means peace - that was the word that most stood out to me when she was speaking in tongues as a child. So I am sure that some people are in fact talking in other languages - maybe mixed up with their own sounds that just express their worship to God.

[@DogBalto1]

Regarding Spiritual Gifts, we read in 1 Corinthians 12:11 that " All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines". We don't receive spiritual gifts based on our prayers or wants, it is by God's will alone.

[@DarrylPassow]

LISTEN, I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD YOU GUYS ARE SAYING BUT DONT. DONT EVEN THINK THt sOME PEOPLE (LIKE ME) HAVE HAD A TRUE VISION OF HELL AND NOT HEAVEN BUT NOT EARTH. THATS PERIOD RATHER GOD ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT OR "NOT"

[@BlindServantMark]

Sean Christie of 'Revealing Truth' seems to hate cessationism. He is the greatest opponent to the doctrine of cessationism among discernment ministers.

[@jenkinsbrigade9862]

I think that Sean is not as much of an opponent of cessationism as he thinks he is. His use of the term "hyper-cessationist" is a straw man -- cessationists don't actually teach what Sean claims they teach. And I think Sean would agree that the sign gifts are not normative for all believers today; if he does, then that kind of makes him a de facto cessationist according the definition actually used in the cessationist camp.

[@BlindServantMark]

@@jenkinsbrigade9862 Sean seems to think that he has influence and speaks only truth. I've watched him correct others (incl. Justin Peters) and nobody seems to correct Sean. He seems to be the strongest 'discernment minister' out there.

[@BeckieK-s1f]

Question. I know we love our families we want to give them gospel but we need to be careful do we let the holy spirit and the savior to do the work when we pray for them

[@mikeworsley1773]

A hypercessationist is something a hypercharismatic doesn’t like

[@BlindServantMark]

A hyper-cessationist is a term used by the 'discernment minister' Sean Christie. The never wrong Sean Christie.

[@rimreepr]

God does not desire a spirit of fear for us

[@warrenhinkle1565]

Justin, what I’m about to say is hard for me and I would like to you to pray in agreement with me and if you would like to research what I’m about to tell you feel free to go ahead and give me your opinion and thoughts. I have a friend Who is the son of Pastor Billy Joe. Daugherty of Victory Christian Tulsa, Oklahoma. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard that name he passed away in 2009 and leaving the church to his son who is now pastor Paul Daugherty and I’m concerned that he’s taking the church in the wrong direction from what his dad originally felt. God wanted for the church. His dad never had prosperity pimps or wolves and sheep’s clothing minister at the church, but now that his son has become senior pastor. I feel his son is going in the wrong direction string away from the original plan that God gave his dad he’s recently had preaching at the church TD Jakes Jensen, Franklin, Bill Johnson, Joyce, Meyer, and John Hagie and they’re praising worship is like going into a Las Vegas casino for a nightclub show. Lots of theatrics lights, smoke lasers, and a lot of hype action and there’s a lot of Hillsong music lotta Bethel music being performed. I would like for you to pray in agreement with me that God would open his eyes and get him back on track biblically on the right road if you would like to look it up online look up Victory Christian Tulsa, Oklahoma, Pastor, Paul Daugherty and he has his wife Ashley as associate pastor. I just felt led to bring this to your attention. I don’t know if you know of this church or Pastor Paul or his dad Billy Joel.Daugherty. This is heartbreaking to me since I’ve known the family for about 30 years and never thought that this would happen and that these heretics would infiltrate into victory Christian, but just being in agreement with me that God would open Pastor Paul’s eyes thank you Justin in advance for reading this comment And for any input that you feel lead to input in the name of Jesus, God bless you

[@Sandy-to1vg]

I sat in VCC under BJD from mid 80s to mid-90s [pre-rise of NAR], went to their VBI Bible school for several years and volunteered in their ministry most of that time. I clearly saw WOF and prosperity preachers often at his pulpit and featured in conferences time and time again--I saw a heart for the lost and missions from BJD and Sharon, however, firsthand I experienced the most iconic Charismatic leaders of the time and are even still on platforms today. I choose not to mention names, but research into the Oral Roberts charismatic fellowship of the day became a pool of speakers for BJD's pulpit guests. P.S. I also attended ORU grad school btw 1986 and 1993 only to say that these are my receipts, and I want to add my story to this comment. I left the Tulsa Charismatic church world in the mid 90s never to return quite disillusioned with a lot of soul searching, Bible searching and deconstructing my Charismatic theology and reconstructing a deeply rooted faith and pursuing to stay grounded in the whole counsel of scripture.

[@cactusblob1688]

APOSTASY IS =THE= SIGN OF THE TIMES.

[@Jmart8624]

I'm glad you tackled this issue of "hyper-cessationism". Sean from Revealing Truth typically puts out solid content, but just last week, he was critical of you and others for holding a conference on cessationism, and he didn't see the point of such a thing. He called us hyper-cessationists, which was almost insulting, but to your point, I have no idea what that even is. It's a ridiculous assertion.

[@toddbu-WK7L]

I find it a bit ironic that you quote 1 Cor 14 when it comes to orderly assemblies (which I agree Paul says) but then this same verse is used to justify a style of gathering of believers that runs contrary to that same chapter. Paul says that our assemblies are for the edification of the body of Christ, but I have no clue how you do that when the entire service is a monologue from the pulpit. I spent nearly 60 years in Reformed / Presbyterian churches until leaving the institutional church altogether about three years ago. Now when I gather with my fellow saints, there is no fixed order of worship. Each person contributes as the Holy Spirit leads. For many, this style of gather would constitute chaos because there is no central leader or authority governing the gathering. Yet my current church is a place where I can confess my sins and seek God's forgiveness because we meet in an intimate setting where there is no fear of judgment. To be honest, while I agree that God is not a God of chaos, nor is He one to suppress emotion either. 1 Cor 14 shows us a balanced approach to our assemblies, and few Christians seem to appreciate this

[@cullenbentley9880]

yes but when a so called preahcer or minister says that God does not intervene in our lives when we ask and pray for stuff is totally ridiculous and nonsense.....

[@DarrylPassow]

Both sides are flawed by MAN

[@NancyJolly-m4l]

Can't seem to find how to access link for the book with "Peters" 30%off ~ I'd really like to get it!📖💒🐑

[@kathierouse6046]

I just wish that the hypercharismatics would stop emphasizing the physical gifts and pay more attention to true discernment, empathy, generosity, humble servanthood, and worship God in real Spirit and in Truth. If only they would step back and listen to their conscience, obey the Holy Spirit and repent, and rightly divide the Word of Truth. Please, Lord! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@stuartjohnson5686]

I don't know about a hyper-cessationist but: "A Hyper-Calvinist is an orthodox Calvinist being described by an Arminian" -- R.C. Sproul “It is a sad twist of irony that those who claim to be most focused on the Holy Spirit are in actuality the ones doing the most to abuse, grieve, insult, misrepresent, quench, and dishonor Him. How do they do it? By attributing to Him words He did not say, deeds He did not do, phenomena He did not produce, and experiences that have nothing to do with Him. They boldly plaster His name on that which is not His work.” - John MacArthur I think that the Charismatic movement has significantly diminished worship. It has taken it out of the area of truth, out of the mind, and reduced it to the feelings of the flesh. -- John MacArthur It is a strange irony to me, in the Charismatic movement, that if you criticize them, if you endeavor to be vigilant and discerning, and if you endeavor to contend for the truth and hold them to Scripture and expose their error, they will condemn you as the sinner... How do I know that? I have lived that. -- John MacArthur "Nowhere in Scripture do we see real gifts of the Spirit operating when someone is out of control or under some sort of supernatural seizure. Nowhere does the New Testament teach that the Spirit of God causes Christians to fall into a trance, faint, or lapse into frenzied behavior. On the contrary, "The fruit of the Spirit is... self-control". -- John MacArthur

[@ListeninginCanada]

Pharisees, Matthew 23:1-36 (Jesus speaking): "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers." (v4) ..."You shut the Kingdom of Heaven in men's faces..." (v13) "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat & swallow a camel!"(v24) "You outwardly appear righteous before men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy & lawlessness." (v28) Matthew 7:3-5: "First remove the plank from your own eye & then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."(v5)

[@DianeJarvis-f1o]

But, in Peter’s time, there WAS no completed Canon of Scripture? You can’t have it both ways. How do you view that in certain circumstances, particularly of danger, we can feel a sudden, strong, urge to do something, or not to do something? Believers who have felt such a sudden caution in their spirit, had they ignored the urging, would have certainly met with some danger or injury? Clearly, we can agree to differ in these non-soteriological issues, but have you never felt such a thing yourself Mr Peters?

[@MissRed316]

Charismatic belief sounds a lot like addiction...

[@ambientlight3876]

As I've been listening, I've been asking: If God's gifts through people are infallible, then shouldn't the other gifts given by God be just as infallible? If true Prophesy is infallible, then shouldn't true gifts like teaching, generosity, etc be just as infallible without the influence of the person's fallen nature or immaturity? Or maybe perhaps these so called gifts aren't actually gifts at all but natural human ability surrendered to the authority of Christ and His Word.

[@davidforrest4791]

Help! what scriptures says gifts given by God are infallible ? I’m struggling understanding the underpinnings of your initial premise . Little help please❤

[@ambientlight3876]

@@davidforrest4791 Hey there. What I'm saying is that that I disagree with the idea that prophetic expressions in the early church were infallible, any more than any of the other gifts at that time were infallible. What it seems is that Justin Peters is saying that any true gift of prophesy would be without any error. Yet they were told in 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 to 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21. That being said, from what I understand, all of the gifts of the Spirit were used in the establishment of the church and with the completion of the Canon of scripture, are no longer needed, thus have ceased. What we typically call "gifts" are simply a combination of our inborn talents, the fruit of the Spirit maturing us, and skills and training that we have gained.

[@davidforrest4791]

Thank you for taking the time to clarify your position, I appreciate your time .❤

[@ambientlight3876]

@@davidforrest4791 You're very welcome! And thank you!

[@geno4god]

G3 it's a "Jesus for sale", and even so - impossible to get their materials or even see online if you have not enough money or not able to pay from out of russia for example. The ministry of frustration so far. "...Freely you received, freely give." (Matt. 10:8) is not for them. GTY compared to them is a real Biblical deal.

[@noalliances]

Piper rejects sola fide. He might be your brother but not mine.

[@christinewyatt234]

He does t cause confusion

[@rc44004]

Apostle Paul said that the gifts wouldn't cease until that which is perfect has come.(1 Corinthians 13:10) This word (perfect) is not neuter in the greek. It means a (Parousia) the return of Christ.

[@maxmustermann1206]

But you're ignoring the descriptions of the spiritual gifts in Scripture. Take a look at the descriptions of tongues and speaking in tongues in Act 2 and 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Those descriptions don't match what we see today.

[@rickorider]

So perfect means the return of Christ??? How do you get that? Perfect can mean complete. Paul was given to complete the word of God now the revelation of the mystery has been revealed. God is not revealing anything today that we already know in his Word. That is why prophesy is no longer required. All need today is in Paul's 13 epistals written down.

[@bigtobacco1098]

I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history

[@DianeJarvis-f1o]

But, surely, there IS, when talking about prophecy, a difference in the NT GIFT of prophecy, and the OT OFFICE of the Prophet? Certainly, I have received ‘words of knowledge’, meant for me PERSONALLY, that were spot on. And doesn’t the Book of Joel, amongst other passages, teach that in the Last Days the Gifts of the Spirit, or at least some of them, will be poured out? Such as: “Your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams”. It also talks about men and hand-maidens prophesying. You can’t just write these out of Scripture.

[@karenrichard945]

1 Corinthians 14.33 God is not a God of confusion 😮

[@thecrew777]

I think we need to stop calling people who abuse the Holy Spirit "Christians". Discussion?

[@stephendavies2925]

I am waiting for something positive! Is there no good to celebrate? Where are the true soldiers of Christ, walking in the Spirit as the apostles of old ? I hate hearing from those who do not believe the whole of scripture!

[@victortorres7314]

They way these two brothers speak about another brother in Christ whom they disagree with not even saying his name. Ryan Denton. Is disgusting. And then Justin says he’s “gotten famous” for opposing hyper-cessationism. No he hasn’t he’s a brother who has his own evangelistic ministry apart from this topic.

[@rickorider]

The revelation of the mystery that the risen Christ gave to Paul was given to complete the word of God. God is not saying anything more today that he has already told us in the Word. We cannot say "God told me" and say that it's not authoritative. Paul says its word that works effectally in us. Paul tells Timothy that the word is able to make us perfect for every good work. All this "I feel God is saying" is a load of rubbish.

[@RealMelodyBlue]

You should see Robin D Bullock, a prophet, is the spirit of Isaiah, uses the shofar and has a staff that he can hold out like Moses and speaks in tongues.

[@stevenlindsey2056]

Robin Bullock is a fraud and a blasphemer.

[@dereklaing2929]

No scriptural reason to be a cessationist.

[@kevineyre4401]

I have a question ......when did the gifts cease?....Also Paul said..... earnestly desire spiritual gifts especially the gift of prophecy.

[@cactusblob1688]

I'M READING "COUNTERFEIT MIRACLES" BY B.B. WARFIELD. THEY CEASED AFTER THE APOSTOLIC AGE AND VIRTUALLY EVERY "MIRACLE" MASS-PRODUCED BY CHURCHES SINCE THEN IS A FAKE. AND PAUL WROTE TO THE PEOPLE BACK THEN, WE'RE JUST READING WHAT =THEY= WERE TOLD. JUSTIN HAS BEEN EXPOSING THESE FRAUDS FOR YEARS.... PEACE, CACTUS BLOB

[@marialadybug6261]

I have the same question. Do they mean that we can't have any gifts today?

[@bigtobacco1098]

I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history

[@ang29er]

The way I understand it - the gift of prophecy, is speaking forth the Word of God. That word has been written down, and according to Hebrews 1:1 & 2, in these days, it's been spoken to us through the Son...No longer "prophets" as we understand them in the OT.

[@BlindServantMark]

The scripture 'earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy' is to be honored and obeyed today as much as any time in New Testament history. Don't be deceived by someone who was not there (1900+ years ago) saying that 'some of the gifts have ceased'. There is no time stamp in the bible on the gifts. None!

[@Leon-Servant-of-Christ]

God is not the God of Chaos, maybe other peoples "gods", but not Almighty YHWH, Yeshua Hamashiach, Holy Spirit !

[@RonMeadows-ri1ec]

No shortage of "Self Appointed" experts...Lol. .1 John 2:27....think about it.