Holy Spirit, You Are Welcome Here: The Pentecostalization of Evangelical Worship | Scott Aniol

[@jamescgl007]

I am from a pentecostal church, I attend Sunday services not to watch any concert or musicals or be entertained or expect to feel anything from God, but I just want to be there to worship unto him and give my Lord all the praise and glory and give thanks to Him from my heart that I am still able to breathe and for all that His grace has given me.

[@rommym7528]

Sadly, too many are looking for an experience instead of realizing true worship is not about "me" ; it is about exalting and lifting up Jesus!

[@kenstein6691]

Yes, and I would like the Holy Spirit's help in doing that

[@alexrocco5224]

Yes, and as we lift up and exalt Jesus, He satisfies us with His presence, His Word, His Spirit. there is joy and pleasure in the presence of the Lord.

[@spiritman-em4qr]

First and foremost; I take umbrage to the whole notion of "worship" being the music portion of the Sunday gathering. As believers, our entire lives should be a worship experience. From waking to sleeping, eating to elimination, joy to heartache, and everything in-between. Life is worship for the believer.

[@CWJ0725]

So what do you call the 'music portion' of Sunday worshi...I mean gathering?

[@othompson1111]

You are spot on!!!! I believe the exact thing and it is good to hear someone who thinks and believes the same way. Our lives are a living worship service ongoing and neverending on into eternity. Well said, thank you❤

[@spiritman-em4qr]

@@CWJ0725 We call them songs and hymns.

[@kellyoneill189]

Yes!! And I'd replace the word "experience" with **practice**. To that point, we use the word "service" to describe the Sunday gathering (maybe from Rom12:1). Worship is what we *do*,' not how we feel.

[@spiritman-em4qr]

@@kellyoneill189 Well stated. Agreed. I will leave my original comment as is, in order that your correction receives its due notice.

[@alexrocco5224]

This was like eating cardboard. The Scriptures are full of emotions, feelings, and supernatural experiences with God’s manifest presence. Of course it’s all framed within God’s Word. Worship in spirit and truth. Tears of joy, deep repentance, falling to the ground, bent knees, hands lifted, all of these are responses to the almighty God, King of creation who has allowed us by grace into His presence. Amazing!

[@Bornstella]

God's felt presence 'manifesting' is not the biblical objective of worship at all, but it is the objective of so much Pentecostal worship (encounter theology), would be Scott's point judging from articles he's written. Emotional responses to true worship is inevitable for the christian, but is different to what the Pentecostal might claim to be the felt presence of God manifesting. This encounter theology moves the 'worship' to dim the lights, hit the right cords, and try manipulate the crowd into an emotional state to claim an experience, in my opinion.

[@garybridgham31]

you didn't really listen. Using music to manipulate the experience is the problem. The filling of the believer by the Holy Spirit occurs before we go to worship not during.

[@alexrocco5224]

@@Bornstella I certainly agree that there can be manipulation through non stop repetition and a focus on instrumentation, amongst other avenues. As I said above, all of this is framed within God's Word. Just because you don't "feel" something doesn't mean God aint at work. His Word governs our minds and feelings-not the opposite. I would just be very careful about limiting God. I'm guessing-and i could be wrong-that this guy is a cessationist and very rigid in theology and musical worship. Honestly you don't even need music to worship God-all of life can be worship! I see in Scripture many times where people experienced God's manifest presence and they were changed. They also responded in physical, emotional, and spiritual ways. Repentance, weeping, joy, bowing, prostrate on the ground, taking off sandals, etc I could go on. IN HIs Word, by His Spirit, we still experience Him today. There is no new revelation and it ain't a Holy Spirit Circus where there's no order and chaos ensues. But there is more to be found, experienced and enjoyed in God than what this man is conveying. Lastly, I am so tired of hearing the terms "Pentecostal" and "Charismatic" used in critical or negative ways. The words are so unhelpful anyway because there's such a broad mix of Christian theology, worship and practice. But using them to imply negativity or departure from Biblical Truth is not cool imo.

[@alexrocco5224]

@@garybridgham31 yeah i listened three times actually. Music has little to do with worshipping and experiencing God and it's all governed by the Word. Your video-your lack of any joy, expression, etc-just rubbed me the wrong way. I could be wrong, I really could. Just be careful in limiting God.

[@garybridgham31]

@@alexrocco5224 saying the video didn't appeal to your senses is kind of ironic. The type of worship discussed in this video limits God to an experience of the senses and an emotional catharsis. It requires a tremendous financial investment in instruments and sound equipment and venue. These seem like limitations to me.🤷‍♀

[@jeffholm3503]

Having come out of the Foursquare church I have had to learn the meaning of true worship. It’s not about feelings or music or just the Holy Spirit. Feelings can deceive, the congregational singing can become a concert, and the Holy Spirit, while both a person and Deity, has a role to point to Christ the King and Preeminent One who is seated at the right hand of the Father. “Open but cautious” is dangerous when churches cannot discern what is normative vs narrative especially in the book of Acts. Thanks be to God we found the peace and true joy in a church that adheres to the regulative form of worship and the Westminster Confession of Faith.

[@lisfong]

Well said! Praise God that the Holy Spirit is working in our lives to point us to Christ AND to Biblical truth

[@jenkinsbrigade9862]

Ex-Foursquare here, too, and had to learn the same lesson.

[@pilgrimsofworship4001]

very well said

[@dwaynejohnson4662]

bro i came out of the full gospel system that was based upon music and tongues and it took many years to get free from it. then into the toronto vineyard for a few years in 1990s. im currently in a baptist church that sings many older hymns, thank god for that as most are quite doctrinal. i still have a part of me that wants an experience like many charismatics. is goose bump theology and emotionalism.

[@dwaynejohnson4662]

also my main stay of music was christian rock music.

[@scottgonzalez7574]

As a man who once led people in hyper charismatic "worship" experiences, I heartily agree with what Mr. Aniol says here. It's amazing the emotionalism these song leaders attempt to drum up for the congregation. This is what happens when the emotion conveyed by them drives the experience for the congregation, instead of allowing the truth of sound doctrine conveyed through the medium of music to drive the emotion.

[@jessiemontgomery5838]

The Lord knows when he is being worshipped - he perceives the worship coming from our hearts.

[@RyuBateson218]

I'm not from the Pentecostal Church but all the Christians I know that are just want to praise Jesus and life in a way that would please Jesus.

[@dagwould]

We praise our Lord in study of his word, fellowship with the Saints, proclaiming his gospel (however subtly) amongst the people we are with, singing spiritual songs to each other (Eph 5:19), in prayer in our 'closet' as the Authorized Version' puts it, my putting the needs of others before our own (Phil 2:1-4).

[@garybridgham31]

the problem comes from the pursuit of experience and emotional catharsis. Worship becomes carnal and music becomes a golden calf.

[@michaelclark2458]

I’m so happy I found a church who isn’t hyper charismatic in their worship. It’s literally become the standard now.

[@tonymbondo]

You have no idea how much this is a problem in my Country Kenya.

[@garybridgham31]

CCM is the golden calf of modern churches.

[@larrypanellajazzsaxophone8013]

This points to something that has bothered me for many years. I was an associate music director in a church, and while we didn't delve too deep into the type of songs done on Sunday in many churches currently (Hillsong wasn't even a thing when I was on a church staff) it describes what I encounter often these days, some of it the most empty lyrics repeated over and over again. A wise man spoke to me while I was on staff saying, "People use contemporary Christian music to shoot up - to put them in the mood to worship. They play it at home when they get ready and in the car when they drive and expect a similar thing in the services. Music should be an expression of worship and not an inducement to it." That stuck with me and I eventually moved on from that job, but even now as I occasionally serve in church playing in the band, I sometimes have to really ask myself if I really want to be doing this song or that song. Some of them fall into this type of - dare I say, manipulative presentation. I crave for something that is hard to find: Profound scripturally grounded lyrics that are artfully written and that alone draw me to worship before a note is even played, reminders of the truth of God's word and the essential doctrines of the faith.

[@commandertim575]

I too crave and search for songs with grounded scripturally rich lyrics. Not all but many many songs considered hymns are grounded in the word of God. They can be done traditionally or even more acoustically if desired to break the mindset with the congregation that they are old and stale. Highlighting many of the great truths in the lyrics can bring a deep appreciation of these songs and God. In reality a hymn is a religious song or poem of praise to God or a god (dictionary). Newer songs that are grounded on God's word and praise can be hymns also but they are hard to find. Music is not worship in and of itself. The words of a song can direct our thoughts to give God thanks, praise and worship from our hearts. It is not about us but Him that matters! God knows our motive and heart. It should come from love and be pure. God loves a cheerful giver and that applies to worship also.

[@rommym7528]

Yes

[@kaimaxfield6484]

Why are we telling the Holy Spirit whether or not He's welcome in our church gatherings? That is backwards in so many ways.

[@ivysterofficial5744]

I spent several years as a “worship leader” in a church like what is described. As you spoke, I came to realize that the highly spiritualized Pentecostalism is incredibly pragmatic. I remember concerning myself with song order and choice so as to get certain reactions from the congregation rather than choosing music which was meant to honor God more than anything else. If it’s so Spirit led and spontaneous, then why is every detail carefully planned out so as to manipulate the emotions of congregants?

[@Savedbygrace22]

Well said.

[@TMSBLU3]

Bingo! As a fellow "worship leader" I am always thinking the same thing...why are we always trying to "craft" a worship set so carefully as to manipulate the congregation so they can have an "experience"? Can't the Holy Spirt move on people when they simply just worship Him in Spirit and in truth? So...if the worship team doesn't craft the "right" set...the Holy Spirit can't come.in? Nonsense.

[@Kayokak]

Thank you for this brother.

[@sweynforkbeardtraindude]

I am a recovered Reformed, Presbyterian, Calvinist. For 50 years I wondered why I was forbidden to raise my hands in praise. Why I was forbidden to have musical instruments in a church service. Why there were no “new songs” in the hymnal? All three of these items are in black and white in the Bible. How can one dismiss them? Where in the New Covenant do you find any instructions regarding a worship or church service? Paul does give instructions regarding worship, but not about music or praise. Of fact, Paul teaches about tongues and how they are to be used in the assembly. Alas, since the reformed do not believe in tongues today, they should not be pontificating on how to praise our Holy God! Micah 6:8!

[@333apples]

What true Christian would forbid another from raising hands in praise and musical instruments, or new songs? But I do agree that we cannot allow these to be used in manipulation of worship.

[@Pastor_Grant]

Pentecostals have messed everything up. The holy spirit's job is to make you holy / sanctification making people like Jesus not rolling on the ground or speaking gibberish making you quote" feel a certain way. That is all subjective.

[@isaacwarren2127]

Interesting take indeed. Good luck, ministering to them. Pastor…

[@vuhdizzle3907]

You need to meet some God-fearing Pentecostals who aren’t rolling on the ground. This is an old “boogie-man” label that is unfortunately used as a broad brush, dismissing many brothers and sisters in Christ as deceived or worse, heretics.

[@masonmckenna797]

Well, in this case, the “pastor” actually just did. Hopefully you are adherent.

[@lukewarmnomore7523]

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Pretty clear

[@ioansavedbygracethrufaithi2737]

There are some who exert their strength at manufacturing and electrifying experience in order to credit the Holy Spirit. There are others who exert the same amount of strength in manufacturing a stoic experience in order to credit the Holy Spirit. There are still others who just give them selves over to praising the Lord Lord, for all he has done and for who he is, and allow the Lord to move as he desires, whether it’s electrifying or not.

[@ThembaMaselane]

I am with Dr Grudem on a movie of the Holy Spirit that is experiential it doesn't have to be emotional yet it is experienced.

[@ioansavedbygracethrufaithi2737]

@@ThembaMaselane no doubt. We are interacting with the living God. How can this not be experiential? We are expressing that we enjoy Him and are joyfully, fearfully, and humbly blown away by the fact that He enjoys us. "What is man that You are mindful of me!"

[@joyfultrails]

God’s presence doesn’t come and go. It’s our awareness of His presence that changes. A lot of the things you criticize/belittle in this video are good, proper and quite Scriptural.

[@daru232]

I guess we should question the Word of God status of many chapters in Psalms since they are way too emotional . Many of the reformed guys might have sided with Michal for criticizing David dancing in over-emotional attitude .

[@mauricefrost8900]

Having moved due to geographical location from a Baptist church which was becoming steadily more liberal to an independent Charismatic village church which emphasises Bible reading and evangelism I have to say that if this church is getting it wrong then it seems to be doing a better job of achieving the Great Commission than my previous church

[@breakingtheidols6531]

Not gonna lie, Scott bored me into considering Pentecostalism 😂

[@marlenereimchen9141]

Oh that song brought back memories of days gone by.

[@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975]

lol yup sure did

[@ecuador9911]

Do you see this person’s perspective demonstrated in the following story of David, you know the man who is called “a man after God’s own heart?” 2 Samuel 6:14-15 (NKJV) 14 Then David danced before the LORD with all [his] might; and David [was] wearing a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet…. 2 Samuel 6:20-23 (NKJV) 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!” 21 So David said to Michal, “[It was] before the LORD, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel. Therefore I will play [music] before the LORD. 22 “And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.” 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death. Is his point that yes, we have been rescued from an eternity of separation from God and yes , we are now adopted by God into His family and yes, we will spend eternity in unimaginable splendor amongst others who fall down to worship The One who sits on the throne and yes, all of this is by His Grace alone, BUT….. let’s don’t express our gratitude or worship with too much emotion or “the wrong kind” of expression? Why is it our society is allowed to express estatic emotion when their team comes from behind to win a football game, but is told there is a limit to the type of emotion you can expressed in worship because you have been redeemed? No, I am not Pentecostal, but I want to express my praise with my mind and my heart, with my will and my emotions.

[@hectorramgon7429]

1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. (Romans 12:1, NASB) True worship is Not in the music but in denying and sacrificing our lustful and sinful desires of our flesh, To Glorify and Honor HIM in the way we think, speak and Act.

[@othompson1111]

All we have to do is look at the scriptures and see what praise and worship look like. I have been in every sort of church you can think of and I have seen it all. Some church services are very structured. They have books or on-screen lyrics that the congregation would follow along with.....(Praise and Worship are the same yet different).... Some church praise/worship services can feel very rigid and forceful as if we are praising some sort of strict task-mastering GOD who doesn't want a single song sung off key. I have been in churches where it is like a concert and people just hang loose as if they are not worshiping THE GOD who is to be revered in His awe-inspiring sovereignty. A happy medium will never be seen in the house of the LORD. There will always be some criticism. I believe that worship will always differ from person to person regardless of efforts to point which way is the proper way of praise/worship. I will never depart from true worship which is an everyday GOD revering lifestlye that walks with me moment by moment, place to place which include the inside of a church building in on-going continuation as I lift my hands in praise because He is so worthy.

[@TMSBLU3]

Good...measured response

[@isaacwarren2127]

Meanwhile, you sir seem to be almost asleep during this video. Pentecostals have nothing to defend. They will praise God with tear filled eyes ands hands lifted high inside and outside the church. Many, many times we praise in spite of what we feel. Praise God, we will pursue the gifts of the Spirit. We will praise even if we seek undignified and we will listen with tear filled eyes as men of God preach with urgency and conviction!

[@barrettcarl3009]

See and that's what he's talking about in the video, almost immediately you went to say, "You sir seem to be almost asleep" as if you're supposed to manifest something to insinuate "God is moving" in his demeanor, facial expression, and whatever else. So which way is he supposed to look and act to seem as the spirit is working in him according to your standard?

[@isaacwarren2127]

Someone can speak truth without conviction. You can go to your brother who has fallen and call him to repentance and do so without urgency, without conviction and without love. What’s the standard you ask? LOVE. Instead of an appeal to Pentecostal believers, most of what is broadcasted is shame. Almost as if all charismatics should be ashamed of their understanding of Christ and theology. We are called to rebuke, but also to exhort or to lift others up and show them the way. My response was an appeal to the fact that this man’s response to error is likely of little effect. Well, except for those who will simply always agree with a Calvinist no matter the cause.

[@barrettcarl3009]

@@isaacwarren2127 ahhh so the brother in the video isn't showing love? Is that what you're accusing him of because he's calling out seeker sensitive churches and people merely looking for an emotional feeling through music that's telling God the Holy Spirit that's He's "welcome here" like a command from humans is going to invoke and invite like He doesn't go where He pleases?

[@isaacwarren2127]

Precisely Barret, precisely. Just because I disagree with his approach doesn’t mean I agree with seeker sensitive churches who only foster disciples looking for an experience. For the record, social media debates also don’t produce much good fruit so I’m not going to do so here. My best regards to you and your walk with Christ!

[@barrettcarl3009]

@@isaacwarren2127 thank you, I can respect that. You as well

[@tboned1]

That's how I was raised in the assemblies of God

[@333apples]

Why do people even invite the Holy Spirit? He is God, He is in us at salvation.

[@elaynelight8451]

The whole world does the emo chaotic stuff...God separates His people in many ways, orderly worship is one way.

[@toddpierson7989]

That song’s a banger. Love it.

[@TMSBLU3]

This is 100% spot on. As a worship leader at my church, the expectation always is that there must be some sort of "tangible" feeling or manifestation in order for us to have been "successful " in our job as worship leaders or the worship team. In other words...if after the worship set the congregation isnt "engaged" or if they arent "engaged" during the worship set, then something is wrong . Either we sang the wrong songs, or we didn't sing the songs "long enough" for the congregation to get the song(s) in their spirit. We(the worship team and worship leader) are charged with "setting the atmosphere" in such a way so that when the Pastor comes up to speak, he can do so. He says that if the atmosphere has not been set properly by the worship team, then he can't come up.and be effective in his sermon that day...these are the patterns and this is the current culture of my church and I am sure many others...I have been in deep thought about this for years now as my thoughts and theology have changed as I am growing more in Christ. Thank you Scott for this. It has confirmed some things for me. Keep pressing on in His name.

[@benduckitt6031]

I finally worked out musically what you are talking about. It's the increase in volume and sometimes repetitive nature in Charismatic music. Quite often if you hear Charismatics sing a hymn like When I Survey the final verse is a lot louder then the first verse.

[@carolberubee]

The first church I went to after God saved me was Foursquare. After 4 years there, I came to despise this sentiment, that we invite the Spirit, or give Him permission to be in us and in His Church, or to "move" among us and "have His way" with us.

[@TMSBLU3]

Right...as if God the Holy Spirit is w a iting for us to invite Him in

[@Reformed5Solas]

Dr. Aniol, please keep it up. You sir, are an inspiration to my 20th grade journey for both perseverance and perspective. 😊

[@garybridgham31]

20th what?

[@WillNelson73]

That song was being sung by Cody Carnes and Kari Jobe

[@SamAliMorr8905]

The Torwalts were the writers.

[@marthaj67]

It's personal preference, I know, but I cannot stand that breathy, overly vibrato way of singing that has become so popular in the last 20-30 years. It's just HORRIBLE. I don't understand why so many vocalists (male and female) sing this way now 🤮 They all sound the same!

[@RevDavidReyes]

Classic cessationist argument. “Holy Spirit, You are welcome here.” is not an invitation to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Omnipresnet. This phrase is a declaration for the believer to remember the Omnipresence of the Triune God. This is no different than saying “Hallowed be Your name”. Do I need to make His name holy? Of course not. God’s name is already holy. This is an indication for the believer to remember God’s holiness and for the believer to declare His name as holy in THEIR prayer. Anyways, not a good argument that you made here.

[@ZachFish-]

“Hallowed be your name” would be a statement that Gods name is holy. “You are welcome” could easily be a statement that this is a place God is allowed to be, as if he needs permission. But I do think it could be said as “this is a place where you are accepted” followed by “come in” “we want you to be in every part of this place”. Still maybe some concerns with that, but the heart of the song is nice (It is kind of a basic song though).

[@RevDavidReyes]

@@ZachFish- Hallowed=hagiazó literally means “to make holy” or “I make holy”. I don’t think either of us would say we need to make His name holy. God’s name IS holy, wether I worship Him or not. Same thing with “Holy Spirit, You are welcome here”. Any Trinitarian Christian would acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is Omnipresent. Your second view could work as well.

[@TMSBLU3]

Good point...I think the point of discussion should be...What did the writer of the song mean when they wrote Holy Spirit? Did they write thinking that this song would help make the Holy Spirt come.and visit us?

[@demetrisprewittSQ1CM]

I have no idea the purpose of this video.

[@BC0555]

I live in the DFW area. This place is saturated with “churches” who hold to the Holy Spirit being more of an experience that anything else. One of the charismatic churches here literally have the words “Holy Spirit Come” “Fear Go” painted on their church outside walls.

[@RyuBateson218]

The most important question is: do they save people from sin by having them give their life to Jesus?

[@BC0555]

@@RyuBateson218 No, not really. Your sin isn’t the big problem with these churches. It’s whatever circumstance you are going through at the current time. You need a breakthrough for your financial situation? You need to change the atmosphere with your current relationships? Do you need to speak something into existence that would benefit you? Than yes, that’s the Jesus they are selling.

[@RyuBateson218]

@@BC0555 I think we visited other Pentecostal churches and therefore we have a totally different view about them. The only Pentecostal Church I know well is the Door/Christian Fellowship Ministries and they have a huge focus on sin. I switched to a evangelical church because of some other reasons but I really could not claim the focus wasn't on conquering sin, because what they teach in their sermons and what they ask of their followers is most definitely fighting against sin.

[@BC0555]

@@RyuBateson218 I not saying everyone is like that. I personally know an Assemblies of God church that’s pretty normal, but many of the charismatic churches here in the DFW area are greatly influenced by some of the worst theology.

[@pilgrimsofworship4001]

G3 ministries, will you do a follow up video that answers the very last question you asked on the last portion of this video?

[@TheOverlandGolfer]

Historically and biblically , the Pastor is the leader of the corporate worship of God. Music is part of the entire worship service . We call the psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs nothing extra, save it being part of the liturgy ❤

[@douglasboyd8475]

Listening to this guys like listening to paint dry

[@John-Christchurch-NZ]

Cults hate the idea that we might be able to have intimate fellowship with God The Holy Spirit is not a theory or a doctrine He is the Advocate, Comforter, Helper with whom we have fellowship 2 Corinthians 13:14, John 14:16-17 Don't think you can get away with imputing one persons understanding or experience to all who believe in a personal encounter with Him You have no understanding of what that means so have no right to impute that to anyone This is willful ignorance bordering on lies Worship is between me and God Nothing to do with you.

[@garybridgham31]

Cults believe they can make God do they want by saying certain things or playing music in a certain way. You didn't really pay attention to this video at all. You just focused on what you didn't like and being offended by it. What he said is true.

[@John-Christchurch-NZ]

@@garybridgham31 So goes the story of those who impute excesses over understanding and choose ignorance over facts

[@rickbrendonherring3408]

my greatest concern is the idolatry of experience over worshipping Him .. we forget that,yes,everything we do is either worship of Him or self(Romans 12:1-2) so may we especially make our time in fellowship as worship of Him in a manner that truly honors the Lord by the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God Isaiah 66:1&2

[@richardtowne6771]

Some good points here, but it is mainly an argument against, rather than for, a form. Re the extemporaneity point, that is actually factually not correct. Most of the modern charismatic church worship is very structured and not spontaneous. It is marked by the use of digital technology, with programmed sounds from guitars and keys, and often prerecorded tracks and IEMs with a voice in the ear calling out changes and such. And so there is a practical similarity between the more obviously structured choir/organ/piano/string sections model found in the reformed/anti-charismatic church and the modern evangelical/charismatic. The looks are different, but they are equally structured and regulated. In the meantime, Scott’s work is always worth a listen.

[@mbgrocott7115]

Thank you for this video. Two of the three churches I have attended in the area where I live have this song included in their song list. It always makes me feel uncomfortable and I do not join in the singing. I ask myself, "What are people expecting to happen? Are they aexpecting the Holy Spirit to come down like fire as the Spirit did on Pentecost?" Look into the book of Acts and one sees the Spirit came upon them only a few times and always as a testimony to the fact that the gospel was being offered, first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles.

[@oreemmanuel2466]

I agree with everything you've said and I think your conclusion has positive implications. However speaking as a charismatic the presence of the Spirit is guaranteed in a gathering of those indwelt by Him. Pursuit and expectation of an encounter is what the patriarchs and saints model to us, yet not experiencing emotions in a given worship experience does not negate the Spirit's presence. It instead spurs us in pursuit of having a foretaste of the days where we may worship God, knowing Him who fully knows us.

[@TMSBLU3]

Good comment

[@thegodpicture]

Matthew 16:11-12 (NASB95) 11 “How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

[@Savedbygrace22]

Several of those quotes mentioned the purpose of the holy Spirit is to manifest God’s presence in church. That is erroneous because scripture clearly says his work is to point people to Christ especially in the work of changing hearts of stone into flesh through regeneration. His job isn’t to point to himself which is the obsessive teaching of the hyper charismatics which tells me they either don’t understand him or don’t know him.

[@IamBrianDickson]

This video was a bit one-sided. I would have preferred it if Scott Aniol disagreed, to have offered biblical refutation

[@TheDahveeed]

I went to an AG mega church for a while and it always felt so wrong the emphasis placed on acting out physically as proof of the Spirit being in the worship or the attempts at coaxing the Spirit in. Looking back it's easy to see how almost new agey all these practices are. It's also like 80% marketing to the congregation. This church used to have their "core" people sit up front as plants to show you the congregation the "correct" model of worshipping including shouts of amen, hand lifting, and singing. It's all just show and manipulation

[@mariosangermano]

I find it funny that the Holy Spirit is welcomed there, as If the congregation had to give Him permission. SMH

[@TMSBLU3]

😂

[@samkleinhuis9175]

Didn't know people had a problem with the song "Holy Spirit" lol

[@WatchList-xf8ic]

That worship clip wasn't Brian and Katie Torwalt, but rather it was Kari Jobe, and that looked like it may have been her husband, Cody Carnes.

[@joshuacrosby8176]

Pretty cool seeing my BJU people here.

[@gerardswanepoel6698]

Could you please make a video of the value of churches using organ music as part of their worship doing the "hymns and " a thing"...... Would that be the correct way

[@carolinaherreradeangulo6087]

This is so sad. Though there are some excesses and missuses of the Scriptures, I must say you sir need to spend some time in the global South (with less criticism 😉)

[@richardtowne6771]

Two additional points. 1. What/where are some examples of what Scott would consider theologically sound/appropriate worship services? We know what he doesn’t like, but where is something he does like? 2. Are there any actual discussions or debates with pastors/worship leaders from the Pentecostal or charismatic world? Without that exchange of ideas, this is just one-sided.

[@SeanShineYouth]

Wow. Is there a biblical reason you reject the concept of experiencing God’s presence in worship, and the legitimacy of music’s role in worship? Pretty sure that’s Bible… 2 Kings 3:15-16 (KJV) “But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the LORD came upon him. And he said, Thus saith the LORD, Make this valley full of ditches.” 2 Chronicles 5:13-14 (KJV) “It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.” Let me explain: it’s not about pure emotion, it’s about the overflowing joy the truth of the word generates in us… which produces expressive worship. Seen below… Ephesians 5:18-19 (KJV) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;” Colossians 3:16 (KJV) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” And admittedly some Pentecostals emphasize experience or emotions at the cost of transformation, but it’s not meant to be mutually exclusive, they’re always meant to flow together… Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. Biblical worship doesn’t attack experience or emotions, but it also doesn’t epitomize it at the cost of the transformation of the Holy Spirit. And quite honestly, I’m getting an attack vibe here…

[@kennethjoseph8360]

Welll said

[@militaryminedid2011]

So....os there going to be a Part 2 on how these teachings measure ip against holy Scripture as the ending mentions? I already know but would be good to hear G3 present it.

[@G3Ministries]

Yes, next Wednesday!

[@militaryminedid2011]

Amen

[@TMSBLU3]

​@@G3MinistriesGreat!

[@martincronje9536]

Jip, worship has become the focus instead of bible saturated, God and gospel centered songs. Is there an experience when singing truth, YES there is! But its more my heart moving in conviction of the truth of the words I'm singing rather than it being about the "movement of the spirit". The ridiculous pressure that this way of "worship" is placing on musicians is also pulling people out of God's church. Money meant for evangelism is now being justified on stage setup and equipment. Songs with terrible theology are accepted as truth without anyone questioning the drive behind the movements. It's showing the lack of depth in the live for the word of God in the church. Only reservation I have with your video is that there are continuationist that doesn't believe in this form of worship as biblical. You might want to be more careful to draw the distinction there. Other than that, thanks for highlighting the roots in the theology.

[@kengineexpress]

The contemporary music sucks and cringy-most of it anyway. That’s my only gripe.

[@calamitycoccyx2127]

Please post a G3 video of "proper" worship music. Don't give us examples of what you deem to be "improper" worship. It's always the same from G3: "This is an example of incorrect worship. And this over here in unacceptable worship. And that over there is just wrong." Let us see how G3 adherents worship the Lord in spirit and truth.

[@tboned1]

As a kid and yes I do mean 13 or 14 years old I studied the Bible a lot I had really good teaching and when they started singing songs all the time to the hoy spirit I thought now hang on hang on hang on and we spirit is God but the holy experience job is to point to Christ and that is what the Bible says so maybe we should be pointing to Christ because that is what the Holy Spirit says he wants us to do

[@matteblak6158]

My only comment is that I wish you had played a little bit less of that garbage. I hate that they are going to monetize your video…

[@stevehammond8393]

its funny about what breaking the idols said in their comment below! I liken that to a man who says that his wife is driving him to not drink! lol

[@YouTubeaccount48473]

Can we get the context of the quote from Bob Kauflin? Seems to me like his statement was most likely misused in this case.

[@janepatat3986]

That’s not the Torwalts. That’s Kari Jobe and Cody Carnes. You might want to check things.

[@masonmckenna797]

When did this denomination arise in Church history?

[@ZachFish-]

Early 1900s.

[@GaryPrice-f9s]

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. Doesn't John 14 v26 define the role of the Holy Spirit as teacher? And the Psalms teach US how to worship God in word and song, which is the cheif aim of man? I ask these as questions to consider, to help define the role of the Holy Spirit and the role of man in this context. (as indeed worship of God is presented in many ways)

[@mr.keokiliftee-kau7861]

I know this is nitpicky, but I’m curious why you used a Kari Jobe version of “Holy Spirit” rather than a version with the Torwalts.

[@davidelgeti517]

2 Corinthians 3:3-6 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. There is a supper natural work of the Holy Spirit that is communicated to the heart and mind of the believer! How does one receive this communication? Can you apprehend it? Is it by faith we apprehended it, we know it is by the power of the Holy Spirit, that it is written across our hearts. Is it wrong that we try to explain what seems to be unexplainable ?

[@Reformed1-e1c]

Sheesh that Kari Jobe clip gave me goth vibes. The setting with the chandlier and dark setting gives some sort of vampire vibes. To top it off, Kari Jobe's dress and make up gives that goth, witch type look. Really creepy.

[@elroyswarts513]

Why would you want to have an encounter with God like they did all throughout the Bible? That's a horrible idea.

[@TMSBLU3]

Lol...right...it depends on what type of encounter you are referring to. Most "encounters" with God left the people awestruck.and clinging for dear life...He is that awesome!

[@soakingbook]

Horrible pop music is everywhere. Now I can't even go to church without suffering through it.

[@Shawn-q3x]

Jesus always points us to God because we must know them both: One of the most important things Jesus said was that his Father is the only true God (John 17:3). He tells us that it is not those who cry ‘Lord, Lord’ that will enter heaven, but those who do the will of God (Matthew 7:21-23). Jesus said “he that heareth my word, and believeth on the Father that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24). He said “my meat is to do the will of the Father that sent me, and to finish HIS work” (John 4:34). Jesus said, “I can of *mine own self do nothing:* as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because *I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me”* (John 5:30). Jesus prayed to the Father, saying “I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth” (Matthew 11:25). He said those who do the will of his Father “will know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself” (John 7:16-17). Why does Jesus point us to the Father? Because he knows the will of the Father is life everlasting, and that you must know them both to have eternal life (John 12:49).

[@c.stephanieberry8695]

Don’t let Satan do this to you. Mere intellectual assent to the Lord is not faith in the one true God. You must be converted. The Holy Spirit is God. For you to object to the influence of the Holy Spirit in any aspect of your worship is outrageous. Dry, dead, lifeless, soul -killing so called worship, you call it, has got to be done away with. It indicates a lack of relationship with Jesus Christ, don’t let this happen. Praise him exuberantly. Haven’t you read the Psalms? Have you read the insistent commands to praise God? Do not rebel. us be grateful to the living. God, he inhabits the praises of his people. let us a Christ. If you do not have a supernatural Christianity, check out whether or not you were saved. Our God is by definition, supernatural, born of a virgin performing miracles and wonders and signs, and insisting insisting insisting that those who believe in him, will do the same. Do you do the same? Repent and worship.

[@TMSBLU3]

Make sure you read the scriptures correctly

[@T.Ravikumar]

Form & order⁉️ Do you think your belief of gathering, singing & music is HolySpirit-led or man-led? If you truly knew what is the filling of the HolySpirit, you will know what is the True Worship of the New Covenant. Rom 12:1 John 4:22-24

[@ZachFish-]

Are you against singing worship?..

[@richardhargraves9867]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age where songs that don't mention the gospel or even the name of Christ are allowed to be played in so called "worship" services. It's reflective of how little discernment we have today. Get this music out of the church

[@WatchList-xf8ic]

Sorry, Scott, but could you be any more dry in sharing your message in this video??? Be more lively, Bro!

[@TMSBLU3]

Lol...Scott I enjoy your videos but yes it would be nice if you got excited in one of them...just so I could see that side of you 😂

[@WatchList-xf8ic]

@@TMSBLU3 Right???? Just sayin’…

[@kengineexpress]

The contemporary music sucks and cringy-most of it anyway. That’s my only gripe.

[@paulsevers7740]

very dry, too detailed, and far too many "quote... unquote", quite negative, and seems to be an excuse for very uninspiring forms of worship!

[@cristiandumitrana6510]

We should go in desert like JOHN The BAPTIST , OR ISAIAH , WITH OUT THIS OUTRAGE SOUDS IF YOU TAKE THE MUSIC OUT ....THIS GUYS ALL COMPLETE LOST ..... NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ..... THIS IS A VERY VERY WRONG UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SPIRIT OF SON OF GOD JESUS THE CHRIST SUPPOSED TO DWELL IN OUR MINDS AND HEART WITH ALL RESPECT FOR TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM

[@Mpw1776]

These “worship leaders” are narcissists.

[@austin5640]

This guy couldn’t be more boring

[@garyteeters-ok3hc]

Antichrist promoters

[@TMSBLU3]

What does it mean when the word says in Psalms 22:3/ God inhabits the praises of Israel or His people in.some.translati9ns?