The Horrible Death of Edward II: A Homosexual King in the 1300's What Could Possibly Go Wrong?!

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[@tommywolfe2706]

60k pounds back in 1300 is the same as almost $28million today.

[@mnikinggku4970]

How do you check that??

[@ChrisLawton66]

The Bank of England inflation calculator says it would be over 56 million.

[@tommywolfe2706]

@@ChrisLawton66 You are right. I had originally typed in "inflation calculator UK"....apparently I only use one source and it was The Bank of England. (It was purple in my search results) so either I had put in the wrong info our inflation has doubled just since the original post lol

[@alanthomson1227]

So a fraction of what our royals scam us for each and every year. Not counting their free council houses.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I'm not convinced that everything that happened to Eddy 2 and Gaveston was just bc of homophobia. I think it was bc Gaveston was a turd and causing E2 to be a terrible ruler, and that affected everyone. They just so happened to be gay.

[@SarahGreen523]

I agree. I think Edward II was just a really awful ruler who was also gay. Gaveston was definitely a turd and a bit drunk with power.

[@jasonkinzie8835]

I'm not so sure. I am not a history expert but usually the nobility didn't receive the kind of torturous deaths that lower born people received. They would be put to death but this was usually just beheading. Also the hot poker through the anus seems to be saying something.

[@arejaycee5704]

Bannockburn didn't help Ed II

[@underalions2023]

E2 had a wife and a 💩 load of kids. He was bi-sexual

[@kishannaconandoyle1907]

Philip, king of France, father of Ed2 wife, used to deeply hate Edward.

[@RoxieC607]

Thanks for all your hard work making/ producing these videos. You are educating so many people, myself included! 😊

[@loomonda18]

yesss!!!!

[@tommywolfe2706]

" Once at the castle, he was kept in the custody of Mortimer's son-in-law, Thomas de Berkeley, 3rd Baron Berkeley, and John Maltravers, who were given £5 a day for Edward's maintenance" from wiki. According to the bank of England, 5 pounds back then, 1320, is worth £4,618.17 today. A day? OMG. Kingly price for......holding a king lol. What the heck?

[@mango2005]

Given he had 9 children and a mistress, I dont think he was exclusively homosexual but bisexual.

[@Hrossey]

So, homosexual men don’t ‘eee-jack’ you late sperm? And said sperm couldn’t possibly be inserted into a lady by use of say, a finger? ✅ whoops!

[@billm2078]

Just a pervert.

[@paulmckenzie6039]

You don’t have to identify as bisexual to father children.I can say that through experience.

[@jasip1000]

Same shit.

[@arejaycee5704]

Propaganda smearing an unpopular King and justifying his removal

[@tb1974]

Ed II wasn't accused of being homosexual until almost 200 years after his death. There is no contemporanous account of him and Piers or Hugh being sexual partners. What Ed was accused of was being a really awful king.

[@mangot589]

Maybe he was, and maybe he wasn’t. I personally think he was in love with Piers. . But you’re correct. Nobody gave a hot patootie who he slept with. What they DID care about was Piers being given lands and titles that they felt belonged to THEM. UPSTART! We all know that gay guys have kids all the time to this day, and back then, as now, the main objective of royals is to have an heir. So having his wife have 4 kids really doesn’t mean too much to me. Maybe they really liked each other. Maybe they just did their duty. 🤷‍♀️

[@finch45lear]

Scholars are in agreement about two things regarding Edward II. That there is not enough evidence to say he was a homosexual. In addition , if he was it would not have mattered to his nobles if he had been a good and fair King.

[@lancebon2931]

I heard the story more than 40years ago, his wife gave the order for him to be executed, there should be no marks on his body, but he was to suffer. The way I heard it he was taken and a funnel like tube was inserted into his backside and molten lead was poured into him making him suffer beyond imagination before actually dying. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned’

[@oriraykai3610]

That's probably just a contemporary rumor of the day and is often repeated to this day.

[@kellyroper4066]

I read this version too in a novel about Isabella. Not sure whether it's true.

[@pauldh62]

The account I heard was that Edward II went willingly to Berkley Castle, believing it to be safe. He was mistaken, seized and imprisoned by his wife, Isabella, 'The She Wolf of France'. There heated skewers were placed through a hollow bung into the King's anus. The cries from the king were described as 'screams from hell' and heard outside the castle walls in a nearby village. The process was said to have taken all night, left no outward marks on the body, so cause of death was disguised, was torturous and the traditional punishment for homosexual activity which was regarded as a capital crime in that era. There is also an account that casts doubt that this ever happened. It stated that Edward III after his accession as king was seen on numerous occasions conversing privately with a monk who resembled his father. Monasteries and nunneries, in that age, are believed to have been where the wealthy gay community could live out their lives more fulfilled and in safety.

[@jonathansteadman7935]

Hugh Despenser the younger.......sounds like a character from Blackadder.

[@RaimoHöft]

I have a cunning plan... 😋

[@vtdave121]

Funny, Hugh's brother, Pez Despenser, wasn't mentioned.

[@stephengrimmer35]

No, that was 100 years later. Henry Tulip was defeated and King Richard IV ruled happily.

[@cyndicook7755]

​@@vtdave121I just shot coffee out of my nose😂😂😂

[@Nobjan]

😂

[@BradBrassman]

Just think, the DeSpencers tried several times to get one of theirs on the throne in this era, and several hundred years later, due to an advantageous marriage, looks like they're finally going to succeed!

[@xanselmox]

£60,000 in the year 1300 converted into current 2024 USD is $87,951,950.44 Nearly 88 million!

[@Hrossey]

About the price of a Big Mac meal then in Joe Biden and Kamala “Karl Marx” Toyota Yaris. So, you may wish to rethink what you tried to say lol ❤

[@jamellfoster6029]

Edward II: I'm THE most famous gay English/British monarch. James VI/I: Hold my beer Buckingham.

[@joshuabessire9169]

"You know so damn much let's see what you know about flying..." Edward Longshanks, or maybe Master Shake, according the documentary "Highlander."

[@cheriem432]

What movie was the clip shown at 4:38 from? It looks like The Lion in Winter, but I don't remember this scene.

[@TenCapQuesada]

It's actually the stage production of "Edward II" starring Ian McKellan ( Gandalf from "Lord of the Rings") and James Laurenson as Gaveston.

[@Pablo668]

Pretty good retelling, though leaving the execution of Thomas of Lancaster out seems wrong.

[@GI-uw6tw]

Hugh Dispencer….hahahaha

[@judyclark1656]

Gilbert De Clare was blamed for the losing of the battle of Bannock Burn Sterling Shire Scotland in 1314 his wife had a son & she died the same year as Gilbert , Uncle Edward arranged marriages for his friends & Gilberts sisters All was lost ! Uncle Edward 2nd changed our name to De Clarke , the 2nd Gilbert De Clare is my 23 G Grandfather We now live in the U . S . A

[@Nobjan]

This has elicited some of the cleverest and most hilarious comments ... delightful!

[@grantwsullivan9852]

King Edward II, ands his Lovers Piers (de) Gaveston and Hugh (le)Despenser the Younger were ALL my Ancestors. Piers and Hugh married sisters, who were also Nieces of King Edward II. King Edward II's wife also had a Male Lover who was also Married. Her Lover & his wife were also my Ancestors! Edward III overthrew his mother & lover. In the end, All the Men (all my Distant Great-grandfathers) were Executed, in part for Whom they Loved. Only the Women survived, and Son Edward became King Edward III.

[@kirstencampbell2593]

Can you imagine sitting in the stands while they were murdering that guy. That would be horrible to watch.

[@DSAK55]

It was entertainment back then

[@honeym210]

Are the de Spencers related tothe present day Spencer family?

[@willwalsh3436]

It is far from certain that Edward II was killed at all. There is pretty compelling evidence that he survived his deposition and escaped captivity and thereafter lived in hiding on the continent well into the reign of his son Edward III. Allison Weir believes that Edward III and his father actually met and spent a couple of months together in Europe about a decade after Edward II's abdication so that Edward II could see his son and grandchildren before he returned to the Alpine monastery where he lived the last years of his life. While Edward II's passions for his favorites Piers Gaveston and later Hugh DeSpenser were considered unseemly and he was widely suspected and accused of being a sodomite, the evidence is that the most likely reasons for Gaveston and later Despenser's downfall and executions were not Edward II's private sexual preferences or acts with them but the undoubted excesses and abuses of power committed by the favorites. That Edward II likely preferred men as sexual partners to his wife the Queen Isabella who was the sister of the French King surely did not help his cause, but there would have been trouble even if this had not been believed to be the case. Despenser treated the Queen cruelly and even deprived her of custody and access to her children. Isabella's brother was then the French King and she succeeded in fleeing to Paris where opposition to her husband united around her and her secret lover Edmund Mortimer. Edward II's reign could have survived if had just done a better job of making his boyfriends steal less from his other subjects and treat his wife and the nobility with the respect to which they were entitled. Medieval people were more tolerant of what they considered sinful sexual conduct including even what they called sodomy than is commonly believed today provided some discretion was exercised. The hot poker story is definitely not true.

[@AndrewLuppnow-i6j]

Wasn't it 'Hugh Dispenser', or something, that was hanged, drawn and quartered?

[@richardlahan7068]

The salacious red hot poker story came years after his death. More than likely, he was smothered in his sleep.

[@kbc163]

Yeah, even for the time period, why go through all that elaborate red hot poker nonsense when there are much easier and quicker ways to off someone. It always sounded a little urban legendish to me.

[@cheriem432]

I am subscribed. Is there a list somewhere, so we don't ask you to work on someone you've already done?

[@Xfactor444-x4n]

😂😂😂😂 Are your new to KZbin?

[@JeffY-y3z]

Visited Berkley castle in he early 70's the staff there told the story of Edward's death with much alacrity and detail. Reports are that on stormy nights you can hear the screams of Edward from the castle.

[@Diamondmine212]

When Edwards son came to the throne he took his revenge on all the people involved in his fathers death.

[@kevinfelton689]

"CONVENE MY MILITARY COUNCIL!"

[@iamjustsaying4787]

History goes to the victor.

[@iamjustsaying4787]

It was his psychopathy not his homosexuality that was the issue that sealed his fate.

[@Hrossey]

In your opinion, at best. My grandpa said his great great x27 grandpa said he pumped him twice. So my opinion is that Edward 2 and Elton Johns farts were very similar. Much love from a gay black Palestinian Jew ❤ x

[@kbc163]

​@@Hrossey You sound sane.

[@brandonm3625]

I thought James I would be the most famous homosexual English monarch

[@grumpysloth7928]

Seems to me it wasn't the fact he was gay that got him killed but a series of other things. Being gay just removed any sympathy people may have had.

[@traitsofaegyptianqueen273]

He was rumored to be de3d on 21 September....."Do you remember... the 21st night September!"🎶🎶🎶

[@BWP-u3y]

I too, have had enough of peers!

[@jardon8636]

edward II, was def bisex.. also had various children... also this was vary complex.. hugh despecencer was a * de facto king of south wales, in all but name* a tyrant... the despencer war.,... the glamorgan war, also a famine and heavy taxes..., where a welsh lord * llewellyn bren of senghenydd , was brutally executed without trail, this led to a welsh rebellion against english occupation, directly at hugh despencer and his despised family...and even supported by some de clare and other norman familes... little too do with sexuality, more to do with edward II ,who was not the eldest male, prince alfonso was... and the story of speaking welsh and becoming prince of wales,....is a total joke, but sounds great... even given him the name *edward of caernarvon*,..... also queen consort isabella, was deeply unpopular , in france....her family had a sex scandal.., then entered into a laison with roger mortimer, the 1st earl of the welsh marches..borderlands...who just happened to be great grandson of PRINCE LLEWELLYN of wales..., also biggest enemy and rival to the DESPENCER DYNASTY,,, as lords of glamorgan, and held large estates across south wales,....including the mighty de clare dynasty : CAERPHILLY CASTLE..., some historians, would argue, that is was events in wales... that actually led to EDWARD II, eventually being captured and deposed... as for the berkley family of berkley castle,,, probably every tour mentions,.... the *legend of the red poker* maybe a device by the church to discourage homosexuality during that period, in unison with queen isabella & mortimer deposing of a anointed and crowned king... who eventually either lost the confidence of his own barons or his own wife., later the barons and people,. lost confidence in the regency of queen dowager isabella capet and roger mortimer..etc what do you do with a DEPOSED KING? his maintance needs to be paid, but acording to laws of the church ,state...he is still the king, queen isabella mentioned that him leaving to wales, ireland was leaving england...abdicated the throne etc

[@grimace4257]

I dunno about bisexual, think of it as having to eat your vegetables 😂

[@justinneill5003]

I live in Hereford and I know the spot where Hugh Despenser the Younger was executed.

[@kishannaconandoyle1907]

I know the sad story of Edward II by reading Marlowe, when I was student.

[@richardlahan7068]

Homosexuality wasn't a big deal in medieval times. People didn't really care who the king was sleeping with as long as he was a strong king.

[@mango2005]

I think it became a bigger deal during the Crusades.

[@ryanmassey586]

In the west yes. In Eastern Europe it was more of a big deal.

[@jaipennycuick7993]

They didn’t care as long as you had a kid and heir that’s why they marry women and be gay on the side

[@hekatoncheiros208]

Yes, it was quite a big deal. Royalty were all-powerful and could get away with it to an extent.

[@ryanm4013]

Not quite true. Linage was very important to any and all kings. Any king without one wasn’t viewed as strong and was a target

[@lusitaniafilms]

I Love it when you say " Welcome" :))

[@oriraykai3610]

No proof that Edward II was homosexual. And that picture was NOT of Edward II.

[@rossmurray6849]

Ahh. I always enjoy a happy ending.

[@doreengrainger4271]

Edward 2nd was not a British Monarch but an English one. At this time Robert the Bruce was King of Scotland. The monarchies did not unite till 1603 , the Union of the Crowns,

[@gordons-alive4940]

Sounds like his incompetence really did him in. They would have ignored that he was really into the dudes if he didn't do things like give barons' lands to his boyfriend.

[@Daisy-kv8tu]

Personally I would love to see a video on King Henry V. He is one of our greatest monarchs despite his short reign but there really is not a lot about him, just the same old stuff mixed with a bit of Shakespeares version of him. It would be great if you could make a video on him and bring him to life like in other videos, I’ve only seen one channel try to create his face but they missed his most interesting feature, the scar on his face from an arrow! Great video! I’m looking forward to watching more of your content as I’ve just found your channel and subscribed!

[@LindaLinda80Linda]

He spent a nice junk of the treasury on Piers. He gave him titles. They went too far being silly.

[@MickyMartin-g4p]

Constantcy not consistency

[@Cekkkko21212]

Whilst I am against homosexuality, it was absolutely *not* okay for Edward II to have suffered the fate he had. They were sinners aswell and the murder of him was added to their sins. Love your brother as you do yourself.

[@keithmichael112]

He did a bunch of other stuff too though lol, throwing all the barons in jail was kinda crazy

[@joyfullydreaded1371]

Welp, homosexuality is against you too, so there! But seriously, people are people...gay, straight, bi, trans, pan, etc...what they do in their lives and bedrooms doesn't affect you at all. Let people live their lives in the ways that make them happy. Nobody cares what you do in your bedroom.

[@joyfullydreaded1371]

Welp, homosexuality is against you too, so there! But seriously, people are people...gay, straight, bi, trans, pan, etc...what they do in their lives and bedrooms doesn't affect you at all. Let people live their lives in the ways that make them happy. Nobody cares what you do in your bedroom.

[@caterinataylor768]

Hugh Despenser is my ancestor but so if King Edward and Isabella and Roger Mortimer I am related to both king, queen and there straight and homosexual lovers and of course their son who then killed Roger Mortimer . I complain about my current family 😂 but also related to the guys who held Roger captive in Berkeley castle

[@caterinataylor768]

Sorry for typos 😂

[@Janetsfear]

Hi cousin!

[@davidbeazley1958]

Could have not could of.

[@bwy553]

Was this Edward the longshanks son?

[@johne.8939]

I guess it didn’t end well for him.

[@jbrown1500]

A historical soap opera , just waiting for a script .

[@markwrede8878]

Yes, we know, don't we, Eddie?

[@sugarnads]

D'Spencer. Not despenser.

[@Grumpychicken]

You have it all wrong... Its obvious these two were roommates.

[@rhonr]

Hurray!

[@marciawood2061]

Except he wasn't homosexual.

[@cliffordbowman6777]

If you can’t prove it; and they deny it, then you shouldn’t say it

[@cliftonfurney5083]

Weren't the pearls a gift to the queen. Kinda crappy. Lol

[@krystalshepherd4582]

Or he wasn't homosexual at all, and it's modern times trying to make it like a normal thing and not something brought back by evil works after being wiped out.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

“Some people think” “Some people” think everything and everyone in the past way gey.

[@RayWihak-nw3sv]

And some people think everyone was straight. Michelangelo, King David, and so many gay people have been hetero washed throughout history…

[@keithmichael112]

I get what you're saying, but this is what contemporary people thought at the time with written evidence, I wouldn't lump this in with the current obsession with rewriting history

[@victorwgrana]

I like the red hot poker.

[@1aikane]

Hard to know if his reputation was tarnished. I'm not sure I believe the bad reports of him

[@paulmckenzie6039]

He hasn’t been tho only gay British Monarch.Or future monarch.Think Prince William.

[@alanleemaxwell831]

Sometimes, love can be a real pain in the ass...

[@kyleclark7947]

They REALLY knew what to do with the KNOB-GOBBLERS. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏