The Horrifying True Story of Under the Banner of Heaven

[@MsMojo]

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[@exmodeadpool]

I watched the whole series. Some people say that Mormonism was depicted incorrectly and most Mormons in the show are more extreme than the real life Mormons. But I am a former Mormon and I know people like the Lafferties and Mormon leaders in the show.

[@MamaPinks]

Nope, but it would .ake sense to, as to more closely understand, Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. This sounds all too familiar!

[@angperkins1517]

I just finished it. It was very good and the story just sucked you in. Of course its a sad and disturbing one. To watch these men just go further and further into like a sickness.

[@gr8nesshumility741]

Andrew Garfield is outstanding in this role. Having experienced and seen people struggle with faith, I really appreciate his acting so thoughtfully and believably about such heavy topics.

[@星yve6wns]

Fully agreed. Not all actors could do this. I imagine it took some study.

[@LynetteTheRogue]

Andrew Garfield's crisis of faith arc was masterfully written and actually realistic to what it feels like to fall from your faith imo

[@Mrs.Robinsons]

@@LynetteTheRogue Living through this in this town I would suggest we dont "fall from faith" but rather gain knowledge, strength and courage to RUN ! Utah women deserve a grant & help

[@trinaq]

I'm delighted that Daisy Edgar Jones is receiving more work, and isn't pigeonholed due to the success of "Normal People." She was fantastic here, and her American accent very convincing. 💙

[@gl3913]

Daisy Edgar Jones should have contacted the family of Brenda Lafferty like her sister to get a better picture of How Brenda really was when she was alive instead of portraying Brenda inaccurately.

[@LadyEowyn]

@@gl3913 the thing is, you've got writers, directors, producers, the network, t's more than just the actor that say how the character will be portrayed.

[@cheyennejones2127]

i didn’t even know she wasn’t american and I watched normal people my brain didn’t comprehend they were the same person ig 😭

[@paupau2587]

@@gl3913 She did. She talked to Sharon, the sister. She had access to Brenda’s journals and letters to her sister. She has said this in interviews. She has said in the interview with Variety that the first thing she asked before signing on was if the family knew and are ok with the series and they were. She was never going to be exactly like how Brenda was and the family being unhappy is understandable.

[@GolAcheron-fc4ug]

I hated normal people. That show made me want to rip myself apart. It’s like the author just thought what they knew would upset the reader and wrote it down.

[@tayawalter4741]

People seriously need to watch the show and stop blindly judging it just because it has religious themes and motifs. If they did, they’d realize that it’s not shitting on the religion, rather a specific sect of fundamentalists who are guided by nothing but their narcissism. Islam has fundamentalists. So do Christians. So do Jews. Every religion has a small group of weirdos that the vast majority of regular followers don’t associate with for good reasons. IMO, that’s all the LDS had to do, while possibly condemning the real Ron and Dan’s actions, and we wouldn’t be having this “controversy.”

[@wuraolaolagunju]

THIS!!!

[@janejane6754]

@@Aaronholland2000 wow the point of his comment really flew over your head

[@tayawalter4741]

@@Aaronholland2000 Wow that's the biggest non sequitur leap if I've ever seen one......

[@lizardog]

@@Aaronholland2000 No one in this thread said Jews are bad.

[@kiera_rdh6697]

I had the same thought! If you watched this show and came away with “all Mormons are bad” you clearly weren’t paying attention. Jeb Pyre was a devout Mormon who had a strong moral compass and Brenda loved her god all the way to the end. The LDS church should publicly condemn the actions of extremists instead of just blankety calling the entire show total fiction.

[@wowbobwow37]

I just finished this recently. Great ensemble spearheaded with Andrew Garfield's rightfully Emmy nominated performance!

[@PeaceLoveMusic75]

He is just an astounding actor. I would watch anything he is in.

[@ingeekable6754]

I watched that a little bit and was so uncomfortable. I grew up Mormon and don't go to church anymore but a lot of people I love are still Mormon. No one I knew growing up acted like that. It’s scary how religious beliefs can be so messed up that you could end up killing people

[@Nikki-sf6bs]

Many people in the church want to act like this, but they go ahead and follow the law of the land. Don't think for a minute that the LDS church wouldn't turn back to blood atonement and all of this if they could. Along with plural marriage. My family is still Mormon. They talk about how the church has strayed from their original mission ALL the time. Now their goal is to infiltrate the government to gain control.

[@SpecialNeedsMuffin]

I think that’s the point. It’s not the religion itself that’s the issue but the human condition that warps and justifies horrible actions for the sake of “god” when it’s really done for selfish reasons (Brenda was a thorn in the lafferties sides, wanting multiple wives after being married to one for their whole lives, not wanting to pay taxes)

[@isxaa4164]

well in this shows there are normal mormons and fundamentalists mormons, there's the difference

[@gz67]

@@isxaa4164 Actually, fundamentalist Mormons and ignorant Mormons. The factual history of their founder and other leaders of the Mormon church were liars, deceivers, and polygamists. Facts

[@StingofTruth]

Do some research. Mormonism itself is a cult. Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

[@goldentrunnell7450]

I read the book a few months ago, it was strange not realizing how close I was to all of this while it was all happening. My best friends older brother was in the group "school of the prophets" and was named in the book, a girl I knew secretly married Ron but not legally. Some other stuff but I didn't know any of it until a few years later. My Dad took me to meet Ron and Dan in 1984 about a month before they murdered their sister in law and her baby. I thought I was going to look at a motorcycle which was weird because my Dad hated motorcycles. It's too lengthy to explain but he was in the state mental hospital in Provo and tricked me into taking him to their house. Ron and Dan started talking all this weird religious stuff to me and I just thought they were both nuts like my Dad. Which obviously they were!

[@jay.ostojic]

wow thats fascinating. was it difficult to process all that happened afterwards? i would imagine some complex feelings were involved

[@michael-4k4000]

Tell us more! Was Dan and Ron really so gosh darn handsome 😍? They both are Grade A Beefcakes, would love to meet and marry into such a prominent Mormon family..........

[@literallyeverythingstaken]

@@michael-4k4000 seek help, please

[@alexandrazisk7091]

​@@michael-4k4000are you a troll or are you nuts? They're murderers to put it simply.

[@silentghost751]

@@michael-4k4000why?

[@kendragalvan590]

I think the show did an excellent job of showing several perspectives. The reconciling of history and current beliefs resulting to fundamentalism with the brothers, the reconciling of that history resulting in lost faith with Andrew Garfield, and seeing the beauty of devout faith with Brenda until her very end.

[@GolAcheron-fc4ug]

All the lds church had to do was admit that Joseph Smith was not infallible, (only Jesus Christ is) and that just like king david, he made mistakes and not everything he did should be emulated. God already gave us the perfect role model to emulate. Not church leaders, not joseph smith, not david, not moses, not abraham but JESUS.

[@luisriquelme3044]

I think it's not a church problem, there is going to be wack people in any large organization

[@xuxon24]

People don't mention him a lot but Gil Birmingham was awesome in this show.

[@Adventuress78]

ABSOLUTELY! Gil Birmingham really brought it home for me.

[@jm.3617]

His talent is showcased much more here than in Yellowstone

[@shine11223]

What his character did was strip every lies purported by LDS church in the final moments of the season. This series Was a bangar.

[@andreadavis6773]

It was a phenomenally well acted series! Andrew Garfield is a great Everyman!

[@bethroesch2156]

I watched this and absolutely loved it. The cast is so good and the story pulled me in. Growing up in a Pentecostal church, I can relate to people being over zealous and how scary it can be. It was interesting to learn more about the Morman church history but this could happen in any belief system or any situation if you follow blindly

[@tamaraserrano7415]

May I ask if you still congregate to that Pentecostal church?

[@ArchiesMom518]

I don't know what scares me more, the fact that these laws actually existed in the church at 1 point or the fact that people today are still following it like that

[@shelly-jeanmcharg4424]

Which means that the current LDS church is running on hidden facts about its history and if that has been hidden, what else is?

[@ArchiesMom518]

@@shelly-jeanmcharg4424 One of the general authorities a long time ago said if you know you have the truth then you should not be scared of investigation. And now all they do is tell everyone not to ask questions because they know it's not the truth

[@luisriquelme3044]

​​that's not true. There are a handful of talks about asking questions, and also, they are recolenting every single piece of history The church has for memebers to read, inform themselves and having their own conclusions, the problem is the lazy people that never read about the public info the church has and then felt betrayed when an anti mormon presents exact the same info saying "they never told me tha"t@@ArchiesMom518

[@jenniepicard843]

I have lived in Utah all my life and I have always dealt with " if you are not mormon you are nothing " To me mormons can eat it. Not all, but most are that way. If they want a convert go somewhere else.

[@jm.3617]

I have a newfound appreciation and love for Andrew Garfield after watching this series. Honestly, everybody involved did an amazing job. This story is incredibly tragic and I am glad the horrific reality of Mormonism/FLDS has been spotlighted because of the book and series.

[@AndrewHolm-fc7me]

My grandpa is Ron Lafferty. The pain this show caused my mom and family….. but it was great

[@SubKween]

I have watched it. I understand that some of the story is fictionalized. They state as much in the show. But a lot of it is true. Mormons did practice polygamy and only stopped because of pressure from the government. Although the church claims a “convenient” timing of a revelation that the practice was to end. I’m not sure when the temple practices of symbolizing cutting one’s throat stopped but these too are accurate. I’m a former member of the church. (A convert) I think it was easier for me to leave because I was an adult when I joined. My indoctrination into this cult disguised as a church lasted only a handful of years rather than my whole life.

[@natejohanson2505]

May I ask you a question? In what ordinance did members of The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS practice slicing their own throat? I have studied the Bible and Book of Mormon as well as the Church's history (mainly because I am a member of the Church who has participated in all of the ordinances and practices of it) and I have never seen or read anything remotely close to that. I am curious where it came from. Will you please expound on it more?

[@Naruwitchfan945]

Same here. I’m confused.

[@Aaronholland2000]

I never liked Mormons or trust them. Even before I watched this

[@tahneelangford]

@@natejohanson2505 it used to be part of the temple ceremony. I believe if you told anyone the symbols/handshakes.

[@natejohanson2505]

@@tahneelangford thanks for explaining it! I did some research on my own and I'm pretty sure you are correct that it serves as a reminder to not reveal the sacred things we learn in the temple because doing so would bring the wrath of God (and God alone) upon us. I believe it was discontinued over 30 years ago.

[@Aaronholland2000]

I'm so gonna watch this next week. So excited. Edit: Watched this in 2 days. It was so good. Andrew Garfield definitely deserves that Emmy.

[@Jocelyn_Herrick]

He does

[@julz3tt3]

Daisy Edgar Jones Keiran Culkin Andrew Garfield, brilliant cast. This is a terrifying account of egotistical religious fundamentalism

[@susanrobinson910]

While I completely agree with you, as I just finished watching the amazing series, I just wanted to point out it was Rory Culkin, not Keiran. And holy cow, the scene in the police station where Culkin’s character of Sam Lafferty was being questioned following the murders…absolutely BONE CHILLING when he is talking about spilling their blood on the ground. 😳

[@Born2Fight4PAIN]

Well said. These bafoons blinded by religion find righteousness in everything they do. Even toddler related murder and rape. That book was force-fed to make people a better species I suppose, but it backfired worse than any weapon could.

[@shaefirecaster5751]

and dont forget Wyatt Russell... who also did a fantastic job in Falcon & Winter Soldier, but then he comes from a talented family

[@susanrobinson910]

@@shaefirecaster5751 Absolutely! There were times that I could close my eyes and I could hear Kurt Russell’s voice. He sounds so much like his dad!

[@rachelizabethmars9465]

It's Rory Culkin not Keiran.

[@donnamoore1975]

One of the absolute creepiest things I’ve ever watched.

[@LihsaInHouston]

Based on the true crime book by Jon Krakauer. Deep analysis on fundamentalist Mormonism and Mormon history. Also learned the real reason for the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. Excellent book and series.

[@kakumanumonalisa]

can u explain a bit more how it relates to Elizabeth Smart?

[@giovonaralphs4132]

what do u mean? What was the real reason for Elizabeths kidnapping?

[@jamiepead1481]

Yes Elizabeth Smart kidnapping was caused by Mormon fundamentalism.

[@aprillester3212]

Real events

[@Gerald-ge3or]

@@jamiepead1481The reality is if Mormons weren't around to have fundamentalists, these people would find another "fundamental idea' to contort into something completely screwed up and justify their unhealthy thought processes. Fundamentalism means to extract some basic premises and apply an extreme interpretation, then live accordingly. Saying Smart kidnapping was "caused by Mormon fundamentalism" suggests Mormons or the teachings of Mormons are to blame. This isn't so. The 'fundamentalist' wack-job is to blame and would do it with some other idea, if Mormonism didn't exist.

[@boochie808]

For anyone to be more hurt by the movie than the deaths of this mother and child is f#cked up!!!! I think some ppl mad because they weren’t paid for their side of the story and yes I’m talking about her family

[@AlmiraBat]

He should have talked to them. But yeah, make it about the money.

[@traberah2671]

I’ve watched this series twice in four days, can’t recommit enough. I’ll finish the book tomorrow. 😂 Safe to say I’m obsessed.

[@星yve6wns]

The only inaccurate/speculative thing said in that show concerning church history is that Emma had a role in urging Joseph to return to face the music in Carthage. There is no evidence of that. All of the retrospective historical stuff about the origins of Mormonism are entirely accurate

[@LadyEowyn]

This is perfect timing. I just finished the last episode last night. I've been waiting to looj up the true story until after I finished the series.

[@auntkissy520]

SO SO GOOD!!! I am so sad it is a true story!! What a spectacular series!!

[@mariakelly90210]

Jon Krakauer's book was incredible and I am most definitely going to watch the mini-series.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

My mom and I finally finished watching Under the Banner of Heaven. My mom sought out the book and read it as well.

[@LucienSabre]

*«It is a fictionalized story…»* based on true events and objective facts (fundamentalism exists in all religions and mormons are no exception), and the “church” knows it. That’s why they don’t want the story told.

[@chris71785]

Thank you, When she said that it was fiction I was thinking you do get that this really happened an actual young woman and her daughter are dead because of these men and their believes

[@nancyshe9796]

+++

[@adriannespring8598]

Yuuuuup. Bingo!!

[@catlover1039]

The church hides a lot

[@DrTeraD]

So glad you are helping distinguish between fiction and fact.

[@matthewescudero4287]

I really hope that either Andrew Garfield or Sebastian Stan win the Emmy. They are my favorites to win.

[@missykurtz5552]

What was Stan nominated for?

[@matthewescudero4287]

@@missykurtz5552 Pam and Tommy

[@ctrringbearer]

I just finished watching the series. I am not a true crime fun but a fan of Andrew Garfield. He is an amazing actor. As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I was curious how it would treat the church. It actually reminded me of the quote from Netflix movie The Two Popes, "You comprised." "I changed. It is different." The church I know was not the screen. That church seemed fiction to me. Probably because I've never lived in Utah or remember the early 80's. Some may but it's" true" crime and might believe it is still that way. True-crime is a genre of storytelling and this was well crafted. I was perfectly able to watch the series and not be uncomfortable with it's portrayal of the church. Because I know it's just a characterization for a story. 5/5 stars

[@jonjahr3403]

As an Ex Mormon I wish all or even a majority of the church's members were as open minded as you.

[@walker4133]

It was a very disturbing series, but interesting.

[@helen9289]

I binged the whole thing in one night it was intriguing look at control of people via religion & how fundamentalism is out of odds with every tenant of every religion ......

[@tracy8359]

The shoe fits, but LDS people don't want to wear it.

[@adriannespring8598]

Most don't.

[@introvertsrock9843]

Should do a list on 'Dark secrets' or beliefs of different churches Some even inspired ppl to leave

[@Aaronholland2000]

So true

[@dolcepeter]

Mormon here, we go by LDS, but our prophet and apostles speak out bluntly about how wrong and wicked it is for men to abuse their priesthood authority by ruling over their families. It’s a partnership always

[@leykimayri]

If it's partnership then there is absolutely no priesthood authority

[@calmye633]

@@leykimayri lol right? so hypocritical. They founded this religion as aa tool to control women and children.

[@Aaronholland2000]

You guys are fake Christians because you guys are adding stuff in the Bible that isn't true.

[@icemaun5379]

I respectfully disagree, it is true woman do not hold the priesthood authority. But they have access to priesthood power. And the can exercise that power while in the service of others. The same holds true for men. Both men and women are equal in the priesthood, the only difference is that woman cannot give blessings or dedicate homes or temples as they lack priesthood authority. But by priesthood power, they can cast devils and evil spirits from there presence in the sacred name of Jesus. And those spirits will leave them alone. The same holds true with men.

[@icemaun5379]

My other comment was for Georgia, its easy to make small mistakes on an iPhone lol

[@d0ngd0llas64]

Gil Birmingham’s performance was solid

[@kalvindertaak1850]

I watched the series it's very well done. Mormonism is very strange

[@Mrs.Robinsons]

ABSOLUTELY! 2024 and we can all spell Chad Daybell now! The foundations are the same and the cycles just continue. Any variation of LD$ is the same no matter how mormons spell their names

[@marih3286]

I read this book many years ago. Very informative. Knowing the enemy and how they operate is definitely a protection.

[@PaigeLovelace]

Yes I did watch the show and I also read the book under the Banner of Heaven

[@skylark1250]

I am not a Mormon but wanted to see Andrew Garfield as an LDS member. He delivers another affecting and brilliant performance. He’s playing this as respectful of the church but he’s asking questions about his evil can occur there. I’ve watched first three episodes. I do wonder how real all the religious talk as a constant element of a family’s day is. That to me smacks of a cult where cult leaders keep you so busy with church activities you have no time to do anything else. That’s how you keep cult members in the cult. And I do t think Mormons know their history of the evils in the past that the church ordered and condoned like Mountain Meadows Massacre. It would be a deal breaker for me. So the church obviously covers that up.

[@Mamataur]

I have to say no to the last bit. Having been born in Salt Lake and a member there are a lot of early church history that I didn't know until recently, and I'm almost 30. Its more of ignoring that people will be people and make mistakes or serious morally corrupt decisions and hiding the bad

[@mirlo5109]

When I was in seminary*, around 2018, maybe 2019, there was a teacher who taught us about the Moutain Meadows Massacre, though I doubt that was the norm, or even in the lesson plan. But we were taught a twisted version, where it was a rogue group that led the massacre, and the leadership tried to stop it but was too late, effectively deflecting the blame away from the church. It was viewed as a horrible tragedy, but not the fault of the organization. Most members might know a few tidbits but are largely oblivious to the real history of the faith. Generally, the church tries to cover up the negative aspects of its history (or present), but with everything being so accessible on the internet, they can't deny everything the way they used to, so when things come up they've had to invent excuses to try and quickly brush everything back under the rug. Whatever awful thing happens, they never blame the church, and a common saying you'll hear to avoid taking responsibility is that while the church is perfect, man is not. And if it's not something they can dismiss that easily, then you're told that we can't understand it now, but it'll all be explained in the afterlife, and to "doubt your doubts" before you doubt your faith. They teach a lot of thought stopping techniques to keep you from thinking too closely about anything negative you might hear or experience and teach you to avoid and distrust non-lds sources. *religious class for highschoolers on school days. There're grades, tests, and you even receive a certificate of graduation. generally expected of 9th-12th graders to attend, each year covers a different book of scripture

[@Mamataur]

People in general dont like being wrong or called out for bad behavior. Its worse in groups; corporations, churches, teams ect,. It doesn't excuse such events or behaviors. The most everyday people can do about it is not let it be forgotten and put pressure on those people/groups to take responsibility and a chance to make ammends and change themselves for the better. To learn from mistakes in life is, should, be our goals in life. And to not let ourselves become desensitized to the wronging we may cause others or the pain, hurt, and even death we leave in our wakes as we try to live our lives to the fullest.

[@skylark1250]

@@mirlo5109 you are right that it’s much easier to research the history of the church and the people involved in its founding and their involvement in murders of innocent people. Brigham Young ended up with the wealth of the Fancher Baker wagon train from Arkansas when he had then viciously murdered to obtain their $100,000 in gold and cattle. Follow the money. Young finished his temple in Salt Lake City and gave his favorite wife some of the belongings stripped from the dead including one of the four finely carved carriages and fine jewelry. The 900 cattle were branded with the church brand. The attackers ransacked the wagons and had their wives come out and strip the bodies of the females and that clothing was tithed to the church, blood soaked and all. All the murderers made off with horses and wagons; John D. Lee took one of the carriages as he gave Young a ride in it. So historically it would point to Young definitely being involved. The letter stating “don’t bother the immigrants” was likely a coverup after the fact. John D. Lee would lose a wife and a daughter I believe in the flood of 1863, the same flood that altered much of the terrain at Mountain Meadows and resulted in trees disappearing and the creeks altered in route. It’s a tragic event that needs to be taught and talked about by Mormons. Young was talking up violence against “Gentiles” just before the murders but I think he saw the great wealth of this wagon train as it moved through Salt Lake City and decided that this was the train to attack. It was the largest wagon train to come through Utah territory. Though the church claims children under 7 were soared 38 children were murdered that day, some in the arms of their mothers. Court testimony stated two young girls were raped before being murdered. Such terrorism and evil committed by a group of church members is difficult to understand. Apparently John D Lee slept well that night. So it’s really hard to escape the cold indifference of these murders for wealth. All the murderers took wagons and horses and other personal effects including gold watches and clothing. So it’s hard for me to believe that fear of an invasion by the army had anything to do with these brutal murders. Children had their heads smashed against wagon wheels. We know how some died due to the forensics forced by the state when remains were accidentally dug up during a refurbishment of the memorial site which is owned by the church. The church tried to cover up this disinterment but the state law required forensics to step in. About 29 skeletons were disinterred and required a “cause of death.” The harrowing details are brutal and savage and should be a deal breaker for any Mormon. Young was no Saint.

[@BoyMama87]

Raised Mormon/LDS here, was until 3 years ago. Outside of Utah the constant religious talk is not as common. Inside of Utah it is just as corny and common as it is in the show! It was disturbing to me as a member at the time when I moved to Utah for college.

[@AndyLiyanawaduge-tx5ep]

Heavenly father has all the answers

[@paigemurray9578]

this show was heartbreaking and such a crazy story. reconstructed perfectly by the actors.

[@appalachiansheds2898]

The guy who wrote this was an ex mormon as well so I'm sure he has 1st hand knowledge of what goes on in that cult religion

[@joanphilliips3513]

Watching now but read he book. Excellent portrayal, juxtaposing past and present to expose the truth.

[@maizenblue801]

Joseph Smith, the greatest and most accomplished con man in world history.

[@Mrs.Robinsons]

And all the generations to follow! I grew up in it and this says it like it is in UT USA

[@HopeGardner3amed]

I am a fan of the Culkins so I will watch it. It looks good. It also looks good.

[@HopeGardner3amed]

Update: just finished Dark, so I will watch this now.

[@susanrobinson910]

I just finished watching this myself. You mention liking the Culkin family…what did you think of Rory Culkin’s portrayal of Sam Lafferty? I found the scene where he was being questioned by the police following the murders to be quite unnerving and bone chilling! Thanks! 😊

[@Luxraex3]

I've worked with mormons and mormons who left the church. I'd say it's pretty accurate. Of course people who believe in a religion based on fear and cherry picking would say it's not what it truly is. Otherwise they'd risk questioning everything they believe, and worse *sarcasm*, question the church.

[@lizardog]

You know, faith is a wonderful thing, but radical religious extremists are to be avoided at all costs. Look at what they're doing in what used to be the U.S.

[@MrSouthernlord]

Faith is not a wonderful thing and is used by the religious as an excuse to believe in myth, legend and superstition. It is best to withhold belief until suitable evidence is presented.

[@beboop5607]

Thanks for this didn’t know it was a true story

[@eugeniapatroncosta920]

Make a top 10 best Logan and Camille moments in Big Time Rush, please.

[@scorpiusdrall9644]

i always say the same thing people that believe in fairy tales are DANGEROUS

[@SELAHPAUSE]

In our country every group of religion or race went through some kind of persecution or trauma but it’s something about the morman’s history/case that is heartbreaking from their early start with Young and Smith up to today😢

[@sandragraves1177]

Don't like it LDS? Tough shit. Truth hurts

[@elanteaster9349]

These things most definitely go down in provo.

[@Aaronholland2000]

Look up Provo Canyon school. That's a good example.

[@RobertaG556]

Wow. A must see! And just when I thought I've seen it all!!

[@Cyveres]

The new season of True Detective was lit

[@elliest55]

It's a really good series. A little heavy-handed in parts and personally not a fan of the detailed flashbacks of the Mormon church founders (might be because I've seen The Book of Mormon too many times - all the silly songs popping in my head during those scenes, but I thought the flashbacks were at odds with the more noir style of the rest of the series). Andrew Garfield's acting is exceptional, really on point and very moving. The rest of the actors are doing a great job too, the editing managed a suspenseful pace also.

[@ZombieZebra3]

I saw it and is fantastic.

[@hhluvzmagik]

Please read the book if anyone hasn't. Jon Krakauer's book about this is horrifying.

[@pitanguirj]

Great show

[@RickySpanish-t6t]

I enjoyed the mini series very much...

[@ecuarrrrr]

Excellent book by John Krakauer.

[@Jocelyn_Herrick]

I watched this T.V Series in 2 days. It was so good. Andrew Garfield was so good in this. He’s so talented.

[@fullercorp]

Cultmembers going off the rails......shocker.

[@greenman6141]

Why Krakauer's book is described as controversial eludes me. Everyone with more than 2 brain cells knows about the history and problems with Mormonism. Even though men are told they're allowed to always tell women what to do, some of those men, when they have female daughters get appalled at the thought of what this will mean for their daughters as they know that there are plenty of really awful men. Any way of "thinking" that instructs you to NOT think should make you think very hard.

[@tyraangnos6943]

I hope the series makes people think!

[@eugeniapatroncosta920]

Make a top 10 best DreamWorks openings, please.

[@bluebunnybooks]

I go to the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints it's so sad what happened

[@KidsandKittens217]

@Blue Bunny Books I agree. And here is the problem: When I was a young mother with small children my Bishop told me that every good member of the Church must obey the Bishop no matter what he wants you to do, including committing murder or adultery. He wrote this Directive down and gave it to me. I thought, at the time, that he must be a corrupt leader. I thought it could not be Church Doctrine so I took it to each successive Church authority all the way up to the General Authorities in Salt Lake. I asked them if this was really Church Doctrine. They refused to disavow it. They would not answer the question. Refusing to disavow it means that it is left to stand as Church Doctrine, in the same way as when the U.S. Supreme Court declines to hear a case and lets the lower authority’s pronouncement stand. The General Authorities left this corrupt and cruel man in his position of Authority. The General Authorities told me to drop my concerns so that they could “get back to doing the Lord’s work.” Don’t you see there’s a problem with this? Isn’t it The Lord’s Work to put a stop to abusive Priesthood Leaders? So why wouldn’t the General Authorities do anything about this man? They had everything in writing and proof of this being his directive. Do you see how dangerous such a Doctrine is? In fact, it is so dangerous that many, many people have been murdered by the authority of Church officials over the years. I urge you to read the evidence. One book is “Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Mt Meadows Massacre” by Will Bagley. Murder and taking other men's wives (adultery) has been historically practiced in the Church. This is why Ron and Dan Lafferty behaved in this manner. It is because it is what the Prophets before them did. In fact The Book of Mormon teaches murder is okay if God tells you in your head to do it.1 Nephi 4:9-13. Historically, the Church has taught that a woman having sex with more than 1 man is not adultery if God tells the men to do it (women are not allowed to receive such a revelation). See D&C 132 "she shall be destroyed." D&C 132 is still part of the Holy Canon of the Church is it not? Joseph Smith had revelations that allowed him to do what his libido desired. Have you read "The Council of Fifty" papers at the website Joseph Smith papers? There's no doubt in my mind that it was these Church teachings along with the lack of interest by General Authorities to remove abusive men from leadership positions that led to the murder of Brenda and her baby.

[@chasehedges6775]

This is gonna be interesting

[@KrystyneY]

I watched it. They were crazy!!

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I just start watching this by happenstance a few weeks ago... I truly enjoy Andrew Garfield's performances.

[@Brando-wc8fz]

Detective Pyre: “Detective work is so much work.” *sees a drop of blood* Detective Pyre: “🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭”

[@pon1952leod]

Read the book when it first came out…the author, John Krakauer, already had my admiration and I was worried that the tv series wouldn’t be able to capture the intensity of the book. I was wrong. Don’t miss this🌿

[@debbiemcnamara7059]

Yes and I read the book.

[@mr.s2005]

one truth not mentioned....is there is a reason why they based the series of the book and not the actual case....So they wouldn't have to worry about getting sued for how inaccurate they portrayed the real life people involved with this case.

[@rinsancrindle7715]

movie seemed more about a cop losing his faith. the book was a dissertation on FLDS and these specific murders. I don't remember anything in the book about a cop losing his faith.

[@ArchiesMom518]

I can't help but wonder if they even had a list to begin with. I know they were going to see that 1 Bishop or something next and they weren't there or something and that's why they didn't do it. Or maybe it's just when they got there the house was empty. I have no freaking clue but I think they just did it and used the list as an excuse to justify it in their own head. Because she was an individual and didn't fall into the craziness of the family they had to come up with a way to kill her and blame it on God told me so

[@tambresmith7095]

I'm a member of the LDS church and the culture has changed a lot since 40 years ago. Women have much more freedom and are not taught to be obedient to men anymore. Domestic violence is taken much more seriously by the country as a whole, including the church. I'm not sure if we ever did the throat slicing motion in the temple but we certainly haven't done that since I've been going. Church leaders did encourage members not to ask about or look into church history for a long time, but they don't do that anymore. Members can research as much as they want about the early members of the church and draw their own conclusions about them. We certainly don't talk about our religion as much as the people in the show do. That was so annoying! Everything they said was a scripture reference and I just wanted to yell at the TV to shut up! Most LDS members sound like normal people, and we don't call Native Americans "Lamanites" anymore either. That's racist.

[@Aaronholland2000]

Why should it matter you guys get offended by everything.

[@mewesquirrel6720]

Get help

[@amandaturner428]

Why is it okay for some groups to call out misrepresentation and not others? Some minorities are praised for standing up for themselves and misrepresentation that happens in the media and others are shamed. I don't understand.

[@KidsandKittens217]

@Tambre Smith Why is it racist to call Native Americans “Lamanites”? The Book of Mormon says they are Lamanites. Are you saying the Book of Mormon is racist? And, yes, I realize the Church has rewritten the Book of Mormon. I have my copy of the Book of Mormon from before they changed it. It says in 2 Nephi 5:21 “And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, therefore the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.” So, are you referring to that verse to say The Book of Mormon is racist?

[@KidsandKittens217]

@@amandaturner428 What minority do you know of that is shamed for standing up for themselves?

[@kcnnetwork8396]

Strict gender patriarchy yup as a former Mormon. I can attest to the validity of that.

[@nafisasalisu2241]

I just finished watching under the banner of heaven , and tbh I didn't even know it was based on a true story , over view of the show is that it was great casting and great acting , like it's a shame that people move focus of religion, that's actually faith ,I'm a proud Christian and proud to believe in Jesus Christ and Just live my life by faith so religion or follow so called priest or pastor who use religion for their own personal gain

[@aprillester3212]

I’m watching now

[@godzillaeatsushi4979]

The only victim I feel bad are the children. All adults get what they deserve believing god can save them.

[@jenniferhenquinet3247]

What’s the name of the episode in the beginning of the video?

[@truthtyperii7727]

I hated Wyatt Russell so much in this lol

[@LadyEowyn]

He was the scariest one of the bunch to me.

[@presentfuture7563]

@@LadyEowyn For a while he was, and then he got overtaken by Sam Worthington, who spoke softly but carried a big grudge.

[@yasminegeorge4357]

I finished the series today and NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH😂😂

[@MamaPinks]

If you liked this, watch "The VVitch" It's brutally accurate, has amazing acting, and is heart wrenching. Stephen King has stated that it scared him. It did me too; deeply. These films make religion feel dangerous. IMO

[@Naturefan354]

Extremists are dangerous. Any type of extremist is. And yes I don't scare easily and "The VVitch" scared me 😨

[@adriannespring8598]

Ultimately religion is dangerous. Extremists bombed and killed ssooo many people and places in the US over decades and still haven't been clarified as domestic terrorists.

[@Mehki227]

Excellent movie.

[@MamaPinks]

This sounds all to familiar! Would they perhaps have been "Zombies"; as we would call them in this Century? 🤔 😶‍🌫️cough Vallow & Daybell cough😶‍🌫️

[@Em_of_Brien]

I dunno, I was Mormon for 24 years I can honestly say the depiction of Mormons was kinda creepily accurate.

[@Em_of_Brien]

Not the fundamentalist side I wouldn’t be able to touch on that but the regular Mormon portrayals were pretty on point especially in utah

[@Tyler5Kuhn_2]

The show was really good.

[@stephaniecody8031]

It’s funny how I know all the Culkin brothers. Rory.

[@JonasDesta-b8u]

I watched it, but I only went two episode in because I hated the cop with the ditective acting like he was his partner. I only learned the guy who did it, or accused was instant because he said, "single Mormons don't enter selastial heaven."

[@Kingdom_Of_Dreams]

4:05 is that Homer from the Netflix show "The OA"????

[@nancyhopkins389]

Of course he was a chiropractor. Pure bullshit.

[@NewYorkMovesMagazine]

Can't wait to see Billy Howle in this show!

[@jules5350]

Take a good look at history and all the horrors that were committed in the name of god and religion….I will just stick to being an atheist, or at best agnostic.

[@gyrlchele]

I watched it because I never heard of this

[@gl3913]

I am sure that the existence of Warren Jeffs group, even though those folks are more extreme, along with the existence of The Kingston Order have not done the world perception of the Mormon Church any favors either. And, FX should have done a much better job in making sure that the family at the center of this mini series was portrayed more accurately, especially Brenda. Inaccurate portrayals of key real life folks in film has happened multiple times in Hollywood. It has happened with the 2004 film, TROY with the inaccuracte portrayal of Helen of Troy. And, it happened with the early 2000s film about the murder of Tina Brandon entitled, Boys Don't Cry, too.

[@lolyfe5557]

How could we interview anyone from Troy? And most Mormons won't speak to media or anyone trying to create anything that could be portrayed as slightly negative regarding their church/faith. If you're unwilling to speak on it at the time it happened, don't come to criticize it when someone comes to tell the story.

[@aprildeann3637]

I attended a funeral at a Mormon church shortly after finishing this mini series. The parallels were scarily accurate, including ceremonies, practices, and phrasing.

[@ctrringbearer]

@@aprildeann3637 Yes ma'am, they got our lingo down pat for this show. LOLZ

[@dasiareed2708]

Will we be getting a friend of the family facts or fiction?

[@leahwinn4056]

My husband grew up just down the street from where this horrific crime took place. It was perpetrated by two religious fanatics and every religion has fanatics in it. This show skewed a lot of the religion to paint a picture that people who do not know the religion will take as facts. Get accounts from the people who lived this horrible crime, not someone trying to profit by it.