The hours before Cloutiful vanished (#3 In the world) | osu!

I covered what could be the biggest scandal in osu! history. It's a long one, but it'll be a wild ride.
Watch live @ / btmc
osureport thread: / osustandard_chud_son_r...
Chapters:
0:00 Day 1, the osureport thread
3:52 Day 2 begins
4:26 The osureport mafia
6:23 Technical Analysis
13:04 The Liveplay
18:47 Accusations Cleared?
27:03 Disappearance
33:39 It's Over
43:56 The plot thickens
45:22 Keyboard workarounds?
48:47 Absolute Cinema
50:59 Wooting getting Involved
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[@BTMCLive]

Over 7 hours of live reporting condensed into a 53 minute video. It's a long one but I wanted to try to recreate the feeling of watching it live because tbh, you just had to be there. STREAMING EVERY DAY AT 10AM PST: twitch.tv/btmc

[@bettathanyall]

btmc can we make out

[@TeamYosh]

thank you for this video Ed

[@bettathanyall]

shut up and kiss me please

[@Winnie-ri4zu]

Please post more stuff like this mr edward its fun

[@Floatyoat]

@@Winnie-ri4zu its not often that a top 3 player cheats so idk if he can 😭

[@Glarses]

Something something active cheaters something something lemme see that bell curve

[@asher4584]

🤨

[@MSTR3_]

something about agreeing

[@doobldot]

bell curve ABOBA

[@AbdistYT]

accurate

[@HayderPlay]

what keyboard is he gonna cook

[@juanacosta4351]

Wooting ended up understanding the issue with DKS being used this way. Their products are always riding such a fine line between allowed and not allowed, I hope osu! never has to ban their hardware

[@auchi-nt5ju]

imagine the day where wooting is not allowed to even be used anymore

[@bongalberttio318]

@@auchi-nt5juCongrats mrekk for holding number 1 for another 5 years!

[@anonymousbanana204]

@@auchi-nt5ju i will still use my sayodevice

[@KRAKUMAL]

​@@bongalberttio318 10*

[@Riyoe]

they can't ban wooting otherwise all the pp records of the last 3 years will just be invalid and the last valid pp record will just be like sunglow 3mod again

[@uyazz]

Active cheaters in the top 100? You really think we would let that pass?

[@Oyya2002]

nononono, active cheater IN the top 10.

[@KhacNguyenQuang]

@@Oyya2002top 3*

[@akiraie187]

top 100 in the active cheater? we would let that pass you think really?

[@rita-Shi-Mi]

@@akiraie187 Think we would let that pass? You think there's active cheaters in the top 100?

[@sihamhamda47]

This has the EXACT same energy as the SpaceUK cheater report in Geometry Dash (ranked up fast to top 10 out of nowhere and stayed there unnoticed for very long time before someone finally caught him)

[@ngarootzosu]

is 63 gonna be the new 727

[@CarolCanGame]

It seem to be. Every cpol play that involve streaming got those 63 comments or holding distribution

[@the_neon_08]

940 pixels

[@nex3mber]

this shit gonna die out soon like the term worms for streams

[@beggo_]

​@@the_neon_08EARTHUS!!!!

[@minhperry]

I can't fucking take it. I see an image of a random score posted and then I see it, I fucking see it. "Oh that looks kinda like the cloutiful 63 situation" it started as. That's funny, that's a cool reference. But I kept going, I'd see a game with ping that showed 63ms, I'd see that I'm on the 6/3 page on my school homework, my last notice to pay my electricity bill is 630.00$ , I'd notice that it's been 63 days since the last time I touched a woman. And every time I'd burst into an insane, breath deprived laugh staring at the image as the number 63 ran through my head. I'm scared to look at the time when someone asks me what time is it. It's torment, psychological torture, I am being conditioned to laugh maniacally any time I see an 2-digit number which is anywhere close to 63. I can't fucking live like this... I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't! And don't get me fucking started on the words! I'll never hear the phrase "when you see it" again without thinking of 63. Someone does pretty cool and respectable score and I can't say anything other than "WYSI." I could watch a man Fc hard underweighted map I love and all I would be able to say is "WYSI" and laugh like a fucking insane person. And the phrase "when you see it" is ruined. I can't live anymore. 63 has destroyed my fucking life. I want to eject myself from this plane of existence

[@ClampyStew]

bro is making guac at his desk

[@kale8133]

thats the dream

[@monkee2079]

I think every top100 osu player should do a liveplay in which they are completely naked no table no chair no tablet just sitting on the floor playing with a brand new laptop which they have to unpack during the liveplay as well

[@mohamedzarif4473]

insane idea but tbf that's hard to fake so...

[@chuck948]

FIDE rules be like lmao

[@voca6175]

Just play the game, who tf cares about rankings

[@monkee2079]

@@voca6175 That was obviously a joke

[@monkee2079]

@@chuck948 LMAOO

[@TrakeDaGamer]

This got me through so many emotions... AND I'M NOT EVEN A PROPER OSU PLAYER- (I enjoy watching BTMC doe lmao)

[@Electro_SRS]

the feeling when the player you look up to is cheating

[@glouuuu]

@@Electro_SRS Bro ive genuinely been somewhat depressed, clouti was my fav player lmao

[@tetradoge]

Trake osu pog

[@KuroyamaKuroki]

Uh-huh...?

[@miguel_noob6668]

we really went from "727 WHEN YOU SEE IT!" to "9x7 WHEN YOU SEE IT!"

[@thanhtamnguyenthi7073]

or (7+2)x7

[@opensand8228]

I hate you so much

[@SoYuukki]

@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 TRUE

[@JaySk8n]

to give context as to why the DKS isnt allowed when used this way. osu has a one movement one inout rule, you cannot have multiple inputs trigger with only one movement. The *deactivation* of a key is considered an input, so when you tap a key, you have two movements: down, and then up, that match two inputs: activating, and deactivating. in this case, cloutiful's upstroke is Triggering the activation of the key, *but* through DKS, it's also deactivating the key through essentially a macro, which is why its not allowed.

[@akasakasvault7597]

ok i get that but like you can get (almost) the same result by just having a key invert states (with the only difference that it will hold for as long you dont tap but like that changes nothing). if you only invert the state of your key, it's one movement (down stroke) to one input (deactivation). am i dumb?

[@JaySk8n]

@@akasakasvault7597 yes, I had the same thought! and I believe thats technically allowed under osu's rules. It's significantly worse though and I feel would be more like a gimmick. it would makes any sliders practically unplayable and overall itd be much harder than this

[@mystith]

by that logic, double tapping would also be against the rules - it's one movement providing two inputs, the only difference is that it's one activation and one deactivation instead of two activations

[@JaySk8n]

@@mystith incorrect. with double tapping, you have two fingers each doing two movements, both going down to activate the key, and then both going up to release the key. with this method, you still have the same movement and same amount of inputs, but cloutiful has essentially "unbided" his downstroke, so it does nothing and cannot be counted as one of the movements. that's the difference, because now the activation and deactivation are happening with the same upwards movement, which fundementally breaks the one movement one input rule.

[@fernando4959]

so it's bannable because the rule is "one press = one click" while wooting's macro allows for "one press = two clicks" ? I mean that sounds kinda dumb but I get it. You can effectively double your streams without extra effort, if the baseline is 222bpm, that means you can get up to 444bpm. Unrelated note, but is extra keybind also illegal? like what if you change other keys to z and x for more buttons? hell, what if you go full ADOFAI?

[@popy922]

I’m scared there will be a lot of more players found cheating in the top 100 after all these cheating scandals

[@rokikubo]

there are already quite a few people admitting to or getting reported for the DKS thing. its sad really

[@Satoscio]

It wouldn't be a surprise honestly lol

[@theomnivert]

Its good. Deserving people should get their spotlight

[@syntinel9481]

+1

[@kentatf2]

@@theomnivert yea but not all of them knew its "cheating"

[@daksharyan447]

The absolute roller coster of emotions we all went through live

[@onionshavewings]

Why did I watch a 50 minute reaction video about players I've never heard of for a game I don't play

[@wayzen-osu]

You did. But the real question is : did you loved it ?

[@kaarelpart9311]

Get these ppl into data analyst occupations damn 💀

[@absurddive]

Some of them are either on their way to become a data analyst Or already ARE data analysts lol Most osu!players I've come across are legit geniuses. *ACTUAL* geniuses

[@devd_rx]

I am learning ML, i hope i get a data job

[@kuzan_aokiji]

Software developper, I'm only 100k tho but I been enjoying osu for years (even tho my fingers aren't made for it...)

[@SadokiOsu]

Cinema

[@the_neon_08]

🙌

[@AmazinCris]

BTMCinema

[@fernando4959]

THE C IN BTMC STANDS FOR CINEMA

[@AS-bq5hd]

18:25 "Doubters crying right now"

[@Zaxtap]

“wallah” u not seeing paradise bro 🙏

[@SnowyMKW]

BMC finally gained a rank

[@5treeX]

And then mrekk comes to fool around and starts setting some stupid speed scores with the DKS offline bro, thats how easy it was to get cheated plays with just a single keyboard like you don't even need a cheating software anymore. "If you enter the Top 100 or 50 it should be a must to liveplay" gnahus: 😴

[@MSTR3_]

surely by now gnahus has been in a few lan tournaments as he’s been a known player in the community for both bancho and akatsuki

[@cyberr7]

the only suspicion for gnahus is that hes good at the game, lets not start witchhunting for only that again

[@MSTR3_]

@@cyberr7 i agree

[@kururin7]

@@cyberr7no harm in asking for a liveplay though?, because he practically gave a liveplay that was halfway into a map so i dont know how people would trust him

[@kururin7]

@@cyberr7no harm in having suspicions especially when the player did not make an effort to fully debunk it all too

[@bowarc]

Really good edit in the first part showing / explaining the first video!

[@chaptur]

this is probably one of the biggest if not, THE biggest scandal we’ve had in this game and it was genuinely so entertaining

[@Seven_twelve]

highest rank ban ever (excluding cookiezi), probably the most influential too besides maybe legendre

[@CripsyBanks]

33:12 might want to censor this before someone uses against cloutiful

[@eetualajuuma1659]

i am now considering stepping outside to re think my actions after pressing this timestamp.

[@swankitydankity297]

I am rethinking my actions

[@harukilol727]

i rethought my actions

[@skippy4905]

Had a sixth sense for these ever since 2017. Cant believe this one finally broke my streak of not getting caught lacking for 7 years.

[@CripsyBanks]

@@skippy4905 lol

[@krypto9217]

I love how after the vc with Dorian it just starts backfiring at him 😂

[@doworian]

happens

[@CiiTiiZzeN]

@@doworian clown

[@askplays]

poor guy

[@crudojoshuaricofort8795]

the end with all the keyboard workarounds feels so similar with the discovery of rolling in classic tetris lol

[@Rylika]

It did remind me of this but they are still completely different with the whole I press the key that activates when unpressing with a set time it deactivates. Vs raw input on the NES controller with each individual finger moving left or right fast. Needing Specialized hardware to do it vs. Everyone can do rolling on original/expexted hardware you own

[@kurokun07]

rolling is fine since every player can't do it. to do DKS is like having a ton of money and that already invalidates everything. that and peppy rules

[@OriginoSky]

Cookiezi was really ahead of his time

[@cosmical67]

was about to say bro played in the future and traveled back in time

[@kurokun07]

people should never doubt him, bro wears masks before covid strikes /s

[@JessicaFEREM]

46:41 the morse code method. they use a key exactly like this where you move it left or right whether you want dashes or dots.

[@karadis_gym]

its called a paddle key

[@JessicaFEREM]

@@karadis_gym thanks

[@Playzify420]

Thanks for uploading this, very interesting stuff! But also ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[@riyumint]

finally out for us to watch

[@dragonboydragon]

This is some of the best drama yet. Was sitting on the couch and everything.

[@laipi3212]

Nice editing dudeeeeeee

[@net_flexy]

SpaceUK of osu!

[@MSTR3_]

i get that reference

[@troublemonkey1_626]

Nah he wasn't as dominant. SpaceUK of osu would be if mrekk was found to be cheating

[@Apple_Beshy]

Nope

[@net_flexy]

@@troublemonkey1_626 spaceuk wasnt dominant, cus zoink just appeared and destroyed him

[@lutt6796]

@@net_flexy same would happen to mrekk if rrtyui or rustbell came back

[@RinX__]

the foot petal thing caught me off guard cuz wtf

[@akmalafiq7726]

we already know what the wooting is capable of in gaming in general so like you can't blame the company that made it instead to the person that abuses it. and the fact you have someone that is in top 10 literally, abuses them and went under the radar up until recently. also what a ride this video was, wtf. Cinema

[@blazewashere7479]

This the worst clickbait title ever. Change it to like "THE BIGGEST CHEATING SITUATION IN OSU! JUST HAPPPENED (#3 BANNED!) thanks BMC

[@iSniper]

fr

[@iSniper]

rip views

[@MSTR3_]

he should do it in a few hours or so just to push it a bit more

[@flleaf]

was it different before? current title looks good to me

[@lucasbruno8102]

Objectively better title, I agree bmc skill issue

[@Attewir]

Doubletapping with one key activating on uplift is crazy, it's the equivalent of changing any OD to 0

[@ethanmct6455]

ABSOLUTE BTMCinema

[@ArseneKichi]

gyze wake up btmc uploaded a new video

[@Hyanna707]

Controlled vibro technique 🥶🥶🥶

[@vakantgaming4993]

Absolute Cinema, I don't play osu nor do i have any interest but this video appeared my recommendations and holy fuck the emotions going on, multiple things happening at time. crazy to watch this.

[@4aronCrack]

I think if cloutiful had put a stopwatch on his phone leaning against the monitor he wouldn't have been caught.

[@pokefan05]

51:50 Not to say this is why they tweeted that, but if it turns out that it isn't bannable, it would mean basically anyone who wants to play speed would want a Wooting keyboard, which may also boost sales of the keyboards. It's a good move for Wooting, although it would mean that people will have to wait even long to get their hands on their keyboards unless Wooting expands (they've already said that it can take time and they can end up back logged since all the keyboards are put together by hand.)

[@chocomitony]

they most likely tweeted that because of what you're saying, and also because the tweet was made by the CEO of wooting, who reportedly knows nothing about the game. i also really hope this never becomes allowed because its a clear disadvantage, not something accessible to any player. (which to be fair, rapid trigger is also an unfair disadvantage, but to a much lesser extent than full on macros.)

[@PartyCrasher04]

@@chocomitonycouldn’t they add settings in game which replicate the keyboard? Or am i being dumb in thinking this? I’ve heard people say that it shouldn’t be limited to 2 keys so that people can use more for speed as well.

[@chocomitony]

@@PartyCrasher04 I don't think that's possible, its a keyboard function, something that can be done because of its switches and all of that stuff I don't know much about. I think it would ruin the game if it became allowed, its a rhythm game at the end of the day and people just mashing their way through speed maps is essentially everything i think is wrong with osu.

[@-Nexility]

seeing this video really makes me terrified of the internet and what people would do...

[@wlf-_-]

have never touched osu but this was kinda fun to watch

[@minyu0001]

32:16 whoever did that is amazing LMFAOOOOO

[@vestia1osu]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA😭

[@AyuKasioy_]

This is absolute CINEMA

[@itsyahlol]

had to put it in 2x speed. It really saved me 🙏🙏

[@0Snack0]

I was here POG

[@huckpo283]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA🙌🙌

[@darkgel]

at the end of the video i though you would suggest to do the DKS thing on all the keys involved haha

[@75tgvfby6]

46:50 NO CAP THAT SHIZ FIRE ONGGGG

[@rodrigorocharsr3721]

that was a fun ride

[@yancy00]

cant believe this video wasnt uploaded 3 months after the drama

[@DenilsongameplaysPablo]

The guy really went from F to the guy behind him in the Qatar rankings.

[@retr0foxx_osu]

i literally left like 10 minute before the deletion of the replay video and stuff because i had to sleep man i really missed out i regret that now XD

[@duk8003]

Mabey the hack was the friends we made along the way

[@Tekzi_]

This is kinda like spaceUK exposing but in osu

[@marleymighty5781]

17:27 is so perfectly timed XD

[@invis8474]

i havent heard of, or played osu in years, but this was absolute cinema

[@felixthecat]

fire

[@mercury3718]

spaceuk is sweating rn

[@Apple_Beshy]

I watched the whole vod

[@polarsvoid]

glarses heavy switch when

[@echoeee]

btmc got that bell curve

[@spwarkz8564]

Free my boy on akatsuki 🔥🔥

[@Cleanse_]

this is like an actual osu movie

[@nazayefire]

This is peak cinema

[@bettathanyall]

I LOVE YOU BYMC

[@Selfiehx]

i just noticed that on 25:35, 2 of 3 cams are blurred, is that on purpose because its so small and you cant really see anything? (screenshare top left)

[@yasmir465]

Bro shifted his wooting keyboard into gear

[@qwertyec]

i think i was also asleep while this was happening

[@balazsbozso7852]

46:15 surely if someone designed the world biggest or heaviest keyboard, he can design this as well

[@snizzle6174]

Here's a PSA that mosaic/blur censoring is not at all secure and can be reverse engineered into the original footage

[@eddievelez4723]

The osu cinematic universe (ocu) is crazy

[@king_nerd_1016]

Couldn't something similar be done with a delay on one of our keys? Could you use the same playstyle, then delay your 2nd key to act as the upstroke command? Is that bannable~?

[@voidskiller6801]

i hope we are done with this drama soon

[@Thyja]

an interesting thought i had during this is how much wooting keyboards are kind of doing the same thing as hitbox controllers are for the fgc they both (to a degree) basically say "what if we just let you cheat and call it a new controller/keyboard"

[@002avocado]

Chills

[@whatthekoko]

THIS IS INSANE BRO WHAT THE HELLLLL???

[@arc9703]

close enough, welcome back SpaceUK jokes aside, cheating as a top player, is just a stupid move. being a top player means that there would always be people looking up to you, so imagine how disappointed they are. Heck, even people who isn't looking up to him is already disappointed so much in him, i could just hope that cheating in osu! is being treated more highly

[@pupok_999]

Imagine if Cloutiful was SpaceUK

[@cjam777]

real talk tho the glass screen protector seems so money

[@matsusuki247]

Absolute Cinema

[@xxspeedyxx3cg]

Absolute cinema

[@-ARCW-]

peak osu cinema

[@ChaosEater39]

BMC 🗣🗣🗣🔥

[@Lambo-ux3uh]

somehow this is the video where i figure out OD means overall difficulty wow

[@ZnxTech]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[@ct3529]

this drama is crazyyyyyy!!!

[@kiwithemaniaguy]

BTMC stands for Big Trains May Come

[@costa8509]

not even into osu but this was absolute cinema

[@louisBrother1988]

Can't wait for the Karl Jobst video on this topic

[@lunchZA]

Hello you absolute legend

[@Hzul_]

absolute cinema

[@youknowthatguy123]

Not through the video yet (about 20 mins in), but this reminds me of a geometry dash controversy where under very specific circumstances some players, seemingly randomly, would specifically have robot like same time reflexes/clicks. As far as I know the true reason behind this is known not. Edit: To put this in more context, the main phenomenon of the player who originally started the controversy and is clearly the ‘best’ at utilizing this exploit ( I want to point out that he deeply seems very cooperative and someone who has no idea why this is happening to him) seems to have the problem at all times during all things/programs. The other phenomenons of this issue (very rare) all have separate problems on why it is happening. Using OBS, having a different version of a mod, keyboard settings (that’s all as far as I can remember). I want to make it very clear that I am not part of the geometry dash community and am recollecting all of my story from a KZbin video that might be outdated. Edit 2: Just finished the video, and I can safely (somewhat) say that this situation is different than the skoe99 situation (thanks to ItsCakes7 for reminding me), but I still think this is a cool and similar story to share and it could be related to the geometry dash story in a way because I am now remembering that one player only got the issue when using mouse instead of keyboard (OR VICE VERSA I CAN NOT REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME)

[@ItsCakes7]

You're talking about that one video about Skoe99 right ?

[@youknowthatguy123]

Yes I am!

[@youknowthatguy123]

@@ItsCakes7^

[@ItsCakes7]

@@youknowthatguy123 Glad I could helped

[@ItsCakes7]

And also I don't think these 2 situations are very alike because for Skoe's case he didnt know he was cheating but for Cloutiful's he was aware of what he was doing and he abused the exploit

[@Arjun-hp2sp]

bro actually made a video in a timely matter

[@MiracleOsu]

53:08 I was here. PHÖG!

[@lisuu5788]

Gyze! I WAS HERE. POG

[@wakicchi3769]

I only play osu for fun (doing random anime songs and the max I can handle is 4 stars) and btmc is the only osu player I know that is big on youtube, but somehow this shit got me entertained from start to finish.

[@Ikxi]

29:58 this is GREAT fucking great lmao choking on my food

[@Koozoie]

I haven't been playing osu for multiple mo this now.. and man, everything happens in osu

[@qrae_qrae6629]

welcome to the new era of osu! hackusation (/j) where in bell curves are now a variable