The Iconic Weapons Of The Russia-Ukraine War So Far

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H I Sutton

H I Sutton

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@HaZardousLP
@HaZardousLP 7 күн бұрын
Something that I think isn't really mentioned about drones is the fact that by their very nature, you end up with a video of your attack. So while they're no doubt everywhere on the front (which would be frankly terrifying), they have an outsized perception in the media because nothing else can give you that visual. Recently I've seen a few Ukrainians talk about how particularly fpv drones aren't often the ones taking out the heavier equipment, they're largely used to destroy it after it gets damaged/abandoned.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
yes, great points.
@UnfollowYourDreams
@UnfollowYourDreams 7 күн бұрын
Very true. Drones changed our perception of the battlefield in a very literal sense. But that also gave them a very unique spot at the beginning _and_ the end of the killchain, they spot, correct fire and sweep up what ever is left.
@arizonaexplorations4013
@arizonaexplorations4013 7 күн бұрын
The American Civil War has been called the first photographed war due to both sides employing photographers. WWII has been called the first colored war due to the German’s extensive use of color film. Vietnam is famously called the first TV war due to the nightly broadcasts. I think Ukraine will become either the internet war or the video game war. Yes American soldiers had GoPro in Iraq and Afghanistan. But never has there been full scale near peer war where everyone has a cell phone, GoPro, or drone. We are literally watching this war in first person shooter mode on our phones.
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 7 күн бұрын
​@@arizonaexplorations4013I'm not, most of what I have seen has been map updates, so is it the geoguesser war?
@npickle54
@npickle54 7 күн бұрын
​@@arizonaexplorations4013that's a very ignorant way of looking at it I think
@johntrevick2060
@johntrevick2060 7 күн бұрын
I would include the Bradley IFV in the list and I'd also include the "turtle tanks". The turtle tanks might not have been effective but they are iconic in their own way.
@humphreybumblecuck5151
@humphreybumblecuck5151 7 күн бұрын
I think the Y were reasonably effective (some pof them) even Ukraine started making some of their own turtle tanks. If it can buy an extra hit or 2 of protection against the drones it’s very much worth it
@ilaril
@ilaril 7 күн бұрын
Was going to say the same. Bradleys' been a beast on Ukrainian hands! Also the T-72/80/90 with all its variations are known for the jack-in-the-box trick they tend to do.
@Anonymous-is6xu
@Anonymous-is6xu 6 күн бұрын
@@ilarilthese tanks are not unique for the Jack-in-the-box effect. The Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 also store unprotected ammunition in their hulls and have had a few turret tosses in the past as well. There is no grounds for the T-series being any more “iconic” in this sense other than that they’ve had more losses.
@justbecause3187
@justbecause3187 6 күн бұрын
The turtle tanks were quite effective during the period where Ukraine was suffering from artillery shell shortages as the Ukrainian drones were not able to get past this extra arma and destroy or disable Russia's tanks.
@jahnahjarvis2963
@jahnahjarvis2963 5 күн бұрын
@@justbecause3187 There is that infamous (or iconic) footage of one just driving up to Krasnohorivka's Industrial zone then turning about and driving back. I know I was amazed when they got away with THAT one.
@Prometheus-Unbound
@Prometheus-Unbound 7 күн бұрын
We do have one Iconic weapon system from Ukraine and we know the Russian name for it - it is Debris! It is always hitting targets even as all other drones and missiles are (claimed) to be destoyed by Russian air defence.
@UnfollowYourDreams
@UnfollowYourDreams 7 күн бұрын
To counter this, ukraine named their newest line of long range drones "debris".
@CoffeeAndPaul
@CoffeeAndPaul 6 күн бұрын
Agreed. Debris for President of Ukraine in 2025.
@matthew____879
@matthew____879 6 күн бұрын
Also smoking accidents have gotten some big kills
@plop386
@plop386 7 күн бұрын
6:41 we do. SCALP-EG stand for « Système de croisière conventionnel autonome à longue portée » et d'« Emploi général »
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
thanks!
@guidor.4161
@guidor.4161 7 күн бұрын
Easy as...
@plop386
@plop386 7 күн бұрын
​@@guidor.4161 we are kinda like americans when it come to name a weapon. they must be brainstorming for months in order to come with meaningfull acronim in french.
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 7 күн бұрын
@@guidor.4161 Long Range, Autonomous, Conventional Cruise Missile - General Use Its contemporary US missile is the AGM-158 JASSM. Not much better.
@_tyrannus
@_tyrannus 6 күн бұрын
@@plop386 They can't beat the Améthyste acronym for the mid-life upgrade of our Rubis SSNs; AMÉlioration Tactique HYdrodynamique Sonar eT Écoute. 👌
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 7 күн бұрын
I think the Bradley has made a name for itself for bringing home the troops and 'punching above its' weight'. Many videos of troopers pointing out the Battle Damage they survived. One that intrigued me from the start and has had many problems like ammo supply is the Gepard. It's perfect for taking out Drones but I don't understand why the Swiss are being so tight-fisted. They could have made Winters much more bearable by protecting the electric system.
@louisquatorze9280
@louisquatorze9280 7 күн бұрын
agree.
@mytube001
@mytube001 7 күн бұрын
There's certainly been a succession of weapons or classes of weapons in the public eye during the past almost three years of the full-scale war in Ukraine. I think HIMARS/ATACMS likely takes the top spot for specific weapons/systems, but much more famous are drones of all types and sizes, as a more general class of equipment.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
These would be my picks too.
@StrangerHappened
@StrangerHappened 7 күн бұрын
That would be rather Tornado systems and the like as RU’s missile might is incomparably stronger.
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 7 күн бұрын
@@StrangerHappened The Smerch does not have the same level of public appreciation. Performance is irrelevant to the question. But even if it is, HIMARS has proven to be the superior platform.
@StrangerHappened
@StrangerHappened 7 күн бұрын
@@andresmartinezramos7513 sketch is 50 year old or something. So it is Tornado, not Smerch. It is as good or better than HIMARS
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 6 күн бұрын
And just the general focus back on heavy hitting conventional platforms like artillery and air defence. A lot of hubris and hero worship of light infantry and special forces came from war on terror, but here they’re mostly back in the trenches with the grunts. Likewise snipers get all the glory, but even the best snipers can only cause a fraction of the damage drone pilots can.
@chiseldrock
@chiseldrock 7 күн бұрын
Best of the season to you and yours. I've enjoyed your videos very much thanks!
@suchomimus9921
@suchomimus9921 7 күн бұрын
I think the Lancet deserves a mention on the Russia side. Probably their best weapon. LMUR missile for the Ka-52 looks to have performed well too. It's noteable that Ka-52 losses have dropped heavily since Russia started using it.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
It's mentioned kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4jQl2aJq7V5e5Isi=7-s_wKuLVLYNc_2l&t=612
@suchomimus9921
@suchomimus9921 7 күн бұрын
@@HISuttonCovertShores ah sorry, must have misse dit
@noop9k
@noop9k 4 күн бұрын
Lancet seems to be very effective. It is not talked about in Ukrainian public media because its mention causes panic among those who had to deal with it and they don't want this panic to spread. It is very deadly and it is mass produced by the Russians, continuously improved. Lancet is not used alone though. It is used together with plane-like recon/retranslator drones, typically Zala. The best way to defend from Lancets is to target those. Actually, many types of recon drones operated by both sides worth mentioning, as they are very important, even if not as visible.
@noop9k
@noop9k 4 күн бұрын
Or, early in the war, Tochka short range BMs were important, until both countries ran out of those. Or S-300 russian SAM missiles used in ground attack mode for a while..
@_tyrannus
@_tyrannus 6 күн бұрын
3:05 I've got to mention, not that it makes them less cool, but St Javelin is not a charity, rather a for-profit donating its net profits to various causes.
@Ferndalien
@Ferndalien 3 күн бұрын
It started out as St. Javelin of the Ukraine, the patron saint of javelin missile operators. That's the patron saint in the picture.
@Psychonau
@Psychonau 7 күн бұрын
i think in terms of "tanks" the bradley stood out a bit, because there was great footage of them fighting t-90s. The Gepard also got a lot of attention, together with iris t and patriot, but that may be because i am german and those are systems provided by germany with delay and thats why there was a discussion here, i dont know if that also happened elsewhere
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
I nearly included Gepard or IRIS-T, or Patriot, or S-400.... but I realised I was trying too hard to find an iconic weapon in that category. I watch the AD space relatively closely, but I don't think these weapons are shaping the public narrative. Maybe the 'DragonFire' laser AD will, but difficult to predict the future.
@KarlKarpfen
@KarlKarpfen 7 күн бұрын
​@@HISuttonCovertShoresWell, the things I hear non-interested people speak about are FPV drones, HIMARS, all western cruise missiles, Gepard, IRIS-T. Things people typically don't talk about are specific artillery pieces or drones.
@tommihommi1
@tommihommi1 7 күн бұрын
​@@KarlKarpfenthe fancy 155mm munitions like SMArt got some attention when the first PzH2000 were deployed, but that quieted down very quickly and footage of them in action has become very rare
@KarlKarpfen
@KarlKarpfen 6 күн бұрын
@@tommihommi1 but that all happened just in interested circles. You didn't have public talk about them in such a way that your average joe knows what a SMArt round is.
@BRIANJAMESGIBB
@BRIANJAMESGIBB 7 күн бұрын
Glad to hear your voice again and again another very interesting chat. Ta
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Thank you
@HesderOleh
@HesderOleh 7 күн бұрын
I would add Ka-52. The presence / absence on a front seemed to be reported as being quite important in some periods of the war.
@ChevyRob313
@ChevyRob313 7 күн бұрын
Love every time you drop a video. I don’t use X or social media much so this is the only content of yours I get to consume and enjoy them every time
@williamlloyd3769
@williamlloyd3769 7 күн бұрын
I’d add: Turret toss - all Russian models
@Castragroup
@Castragroup 7 күн бұрын
And ukes
@NotASeriousMoose
@NotASeriousMoose 7 күн бұрын
​@@CastragroupThe Soviet ones yes, but they have western tanks too
@Wannes_
@Wannes_ 5 күн бұрын
Absolutely !
@anonymousontheinternet1309
@anonymousontheinternet1309 4 күн бұрын
Many thanks for the better audio quality in this video
@harryspeakup8452
@harryspeakup8452 7 күн бұрын
When we talk about weapons which are "iconic" in countries which are not directly involved in a conflict we're talking about what the general public remembers rather than people who pay close attention or have seen these things operating up close. I think for the general public HIMARS / ATACMS are pretty much the same thing, and definitely a public icon. I don't think someone like my mum is going to remember any other hardware from this war apart from the Ukrainian farm tractor and the "tortoise tank" / "shed tank" / "cope cage tank" which she thinks are highly amusing. She is aware that this is a drone-heavy war but all drones are the same to her
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Yeah I wondered about Turtle tanks, but more infamous than iconic? Iconic has a positive connotation, even viewed from the 'enemy' side
@bobo-cc1xw
@bobo-cc1xw 7 күн бұрын
Thinking forward. Turtle like tanks maybe a new normal in that in a world of small drones tanks will need to worry about weak points alot more and the shape of the modern tank may need to change If this is traced back to Ukraine, the little drone vs turtle tank may be a classic If rethink veitnam m113 with sand bags and troops on the top is fairly iconic
@pistonburner6448
@pistonburner6448 7 күн бұрын
I strongly disagree that it makes any sense to base anything on the lowest common denominator. Focusing on the opinions and false impressions of the least educated, the least knowledgeable is of course how modern governance works, but that's a negative thing.
@UnfollowYourDreams
@UnfollowYourDreams 7 күн бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 that's not new and it's the reason we have different words for different things. Experts in the field usually look for (cost)effectiveness not name recognition, and they are the ones involved in procurement and development of doctrines. The public perception and opinion is not a factor in such decisions.
@harryspeakup8452
@harryspeakup8452 7 күн бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 But the question posed by the video is not "what are the best or most cost-effective weapons systems in the eyes of subject experts?". It's "which will become iconic?" and that is PURELY a question of mass public perception
@bjturon
@bjturon 7 күн бұрын
For me as an American an iconic weapon of this war is the 155 mm shell -- the US press has extensively covered the acute need and shortages of artillery shells, the US moving quickly to ramp up production and purchase shells from South Korea. The NY Times, CNN, and other big news media have done in depth print articles/videos on the 155 shell plant in downtown Scranton PA, Zelensky even visited the plant this fall during his UN-DC visit. The US Army is building a second plant in Texas.
@_John_P
@_John_P 4 күн бұрын
You missed the Russian Kabs. They have been instrumental to force Ukraine to retreat. They were the main reason why Ukraine lost the Kherson bridgehead and the loss of so many towns and villages in sequence.
@Bottlekiller
@Bottlekiller 7 күн бұрын
I would strike Neptune and Caesar from the list, as they don't rise to the levels of recognizability that the other mentioned systems have imho. Perhaps the M777 could be included, as it was the first western supplied tube artillery, but even that would be a stretch. On the Russian side however the makeshift glide bombs and the turtle tanks could perhaps warrant an entry. Also, in terms of armoured vehicles, the Bradley IFV could be a candidate.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters 7 күн бұрын
Another great video. I'd add the M777 howitzer. HIMARS is defo one.
@theralfinator
@theralfinator 6 күн бұрын
I remember seeing way more press about the M777 then I did about the Cesár howitzer
@AccessDenied20078
@AccessDenied20078 4 күн бұрын
I feel for the Russian side, they will only be remembered for their 'Cope cages', and 'Battle barns'.
@jameslalumandier9797
@jameslalumandier9797 5 күн бұрын
Enjoyed this video and in agreement with almost everything you said. Keep up the great work.
@Sneakymacd
@Sneakymacd 7 күн бұрын
I would argue that the Moskva should be on the list of iconic weapons. Not because of it's succes, but because it was a symbol of Russia's naval might and it failed so spectacularly. People I know have heard of the Moskva, they have no clue what a Neptune is.
@StrangerHappened
@StrangerHappened 7 күн бұрын
That would be Pyotr Veliky, not Moskva, an old ship Russians did not know about before it sunk
@Castragroup
@Castragroup 7 күн бұрын
Its a 50 year old ship that russia doesnt take seriously
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 7 күн бұрын
​@@Castragroup To be fair, the Black Sea Fleet has half of Ukraine's pre-2014 fleet and a good chunk of their air force because their CO defected to the Russians. And when the other half sank itself in the opening days of the war, nobody expects the Ukrainians to put up a fight on the naval front...
@andresmartinezramos7513
@andresmartinezramos7513 7 күн бұрын
@@Castragroup They definitely did not take it seriously
@MrZombiekiller23
@MrZombiekiller23 7 күн бұрын
Good point because this video is less about iconic weapons and more about iconic propaganda victories
@schlickit628
@schlickit628 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the upload! For me, the most iconic weapon has to be quad copters dropping grenades. The footage is just so uniquely horrible.
@bryandepaepe5984
@bryandepaepe5984 7 күн бұрын
The common folk I know remember "drones" of the FPV quadcopter variety and the John Deere.
@thebeanymac
@thebeanymac 14 сағат бұрын
And the ghost of Kiev
@Frank-Thoresen
@Frank-Thoresen 6 күн бұрын
We can't forget the fighting vehicle Bradley. It's the most popular vehicle among the troops. They can't get enough amount of them as Bradley is no longer in production.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 6 күн бұрын
Then the Ukrainians shouldn't have retreated from "The Bradley Square" after their 2023 Summer offensive. There are almost as many Bradleys there as there are in Afghanistan!
@roderickcampbell2105
@roderickcampbell2105 7 күн бұрын
I am "old enough" to remember many wars. Not old enough for WWII. I think your criteria are very good. Names/labels are important, visuals certainly matter. But it really does matter if you are killed by the weapons.
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 6 күн бұрын
How good is the CAESAR really? They were heavily critiqued in the Danish Army (potentially a reason why they were donated) for being wheeled and requiring dismounted operations. Basically it’s meant for rapid deployment and low intensity conflict, where the lack of counter battery fire means an armoured self propelled gun isn’t required. But the conditions Ukraine is using them in was used as an argument for why it was a mistake for Denmark to get them as they shift from counter insurgency in the Middle East and Africa to peer warfare in the Baltics, and instead platforms like the K9 Thunder is brought up as being more suited. That also makes a lot of sense for the French Army since their profile is basically counter insurgency in their former colonies.
@bighulkingwar_machine1123
@bighulkingwar_machine1123 7 күн бұрын
Honest to God I think you have some of the best information on National defenses and I can't get enough of your videos. When I discovered your submarine cutouts online - that's some of the best art I've ever👁👁
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the compliment! I'm glad they are helpful
@LinuxNavigator
@LinuxNavigator 7 күн бұрын
Glider bombs you forgot mentioned. I think these will be remembered.
@1stbn8thmar
@1stbn8thmar 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video, great knowledge!
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@stevenfranszen1032
@stevenfranszen1032 7 күн бұрын
The new ☆Fall ICBM re-entry remembered me of fast fireworks.
@JeffBilkins
@JeffBilkins 7 күн бұрын
I think either the turret-less tank or the hunger tank are the most iconic tanks of the conflict.
@PandemoniumMeltDown
@PandemoniumMeltDown 7 күн бұрын
Exactly: the flying turret that still orbits in low orbit.
@Raptor747
@Raptor747 7 күн бұрын
I think HIMARS has been the overwhelmingly iconic weapon of the war so far. I mean, small drones (especially FPV drones) have been extremely widespread and infamous too, but without a name or distinct model to go with it it lacks the iconic status. HIMARS has been decisively impactful from the moment it arrived, even after all this time of Russia desperately trying to hunt them down and destroy them. It's Trump likely cutting off supply of GMLRS rockets that could be their undoing, rather than enemy action.
@Grampagreybeard
@Grampagreybeard 7 күн бұрын
This War will be remembered as, The Drone War. or Rise of the Drones.
@claymclaren5788
@claymclaren5788 7 күн бұрын
I think that the Bradley and the Stryker are definitely two pieces of equipment that were left out that should have been covered
@potholerrepairsterra
@potholerrepairsterra 7 күн бұрын
Think the bomber drones should be on here too. They were huge in the middle of the war. Iconic footage
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 6 күн бұрын
And still are, but I think they fall within the 'FPV' label even though many are not FPV (some are)
@dhanu_4539
@dhanu_4539 7 күн бұрын
Turtle tank, cope cages, ka 52, TOS, fab, and iskander, the new fibre optic drones
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 7 күн бұрын
well... ka52 would be the same as su25. not sure if truly iconic. but i agree with other ones. plus su34 together with fabs
@dhanu_4539
@dhanu_4539 7 күн бұрын
@jebise1126 the Su 25 has a bad reputation despite doing most of the work. Mainly because both sides keep loosing them to AA. The Ka 52 got some attention when it started taking out entire armoured columns of NATO equipment. It got so bad that Ukraine had use missiles to take out their operations base.
@dhanu_4539
@dhanu_4539 7 күн бұрын
@jebise1126 yeah, almost missed the Su34 it's slowly becoming a lot of people's favourite. Just a cool and unique jet and it's good at it's job.
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 7 күн бұрын
@@dhanu_4539 yeah but ka52 was mentioned for few months and than not any more. so thats why i would not really call it iconic. the same as i would not called su25 iconic.
@dhanu_4539
@dhanu_4539 7 күн бұрын
@@jebise1126 yeah I guess it makes sense. But he mentions the Turkish drones and javelin which didn't stay in the headlines for long either. So it does kinda qualify by his criteria.
@micheldaughter3063
@micheldaughter3063 7 күн бұрын
A video a week.How lucky are we xD? Missed ur videos
@chemputer
@chemputer 7 күн бұрын
Man, you really don't need a "not scripted, not edited" disclaimer, it's honestly not that obvious, you do really good and the quality of your content speaks for itself, no need to be defensive or put yourself down, you do a fantastic job! Honestly it's even more impressive to me that it's unscripted.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Thank you
@imipak23
@imipak23 7 күн бұрын
Love the first pic, John Deere would make great engineering vehicles
@CoopAssembly
@CoopAssembly 4 күн бұрын
As you say, "iconic" makes it in the press, and I would say that the Western press is on Ukraine's side.
@alexgreen1767
@alexgreen1767 7 күн бұрын
It is a hard one from a British lay perspective with the Russian weapons, like our media has it's own amount of propaganda blurring things. From a military interested perspective I would say the glide bombs have been effective. It is interesting too how hyped our media had become regarding the ICBMs. I think everyone he shoots at Ukraine with no nukes on is a massive strategic waist for Russia.
@guidor.4161
@guidor.4161 7 күн бұрын
This could be a very interesting series, covering other wars. I'm just trying to remember the Soviet Afghanistan invasion - probably the Mi-24.
@TocTeplv
@TocTeplv 7 күн бұрын
Russian weapons will never be reviewed in a british press (or US , for that matter) from an angle you want, you need - them to become iconic. BTW FABs are all the rage in Russia right now, and has been for a year at least. Cant imagine Guardian writing how "awesome" they are, lol
@NuclearFalcon146
@NuclearFalcon146 7 күн бұрын
The Americans experimented with large FPV controlled drones with a 2000 pound warhead (or could also be equipped to drop a torpedo) during WWII. Operation Option had modified TBM Avenger torpedo bombers controlling a TDR-1 assault drone with a television camera in the nose. The image quality broadcast back to the controller in the Avenger was not great but it was good enough for them to be able to target Japanese shipping and port facilities. After 31 of 50 drones expended successfully striking targets the program was terminated as it was deemed to no longer be necessary despite its success and the lack of any aircrew losses.
@Wannes_
@Wannes_ 5 күн бұрын
The idea lived on though ... The USN used Hellcats as missiles in Korea
@danielmartin7838
@danielmartin7838 5 күн бұрын
Another great installment
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 5 күн бұрын
I think both the Bradley and Patriot AD probably deserve to be on this list. In particular, Ukraine literally put Patriot on their national coinage because of the work it was doing keeping Kyiv safe-ish from the air. The fact that Russia has had basically no luck using ballistic missiles or even pseudo-hypersonic missiles (Khinzal) against it has been a game changer for establishing some protective bubbles in the country.
@DanSnipe-k8o
@DanSnipe-k8o 7 күн бұрын
What about the Cope Cage (C)?
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
decent call. Thinking more infamous than iconic?
@airpaprika
@airpaprika 7 күн бұрын
@DanSnipe-k8o Those cages, although truly iconic for this war, are not quite weapons on their own.
@mostlygamingstuff1260
@mostlygamingstuff1260 7 күн бұрын
Brilliant. Definitely iconic and infamous. But successful too. At least perceived to be if not actually. Thera a reason why the IDF also use them. I imagine that western nations will look at this type of stuff….. or perhaps they’ll be slack and not prepare Wherever the next big war is involving western nations, whether asymmetric warfare or a conventional advisory, drones are going to be extremely dangerous for NATO armies. Hopefully our governments will give our militaries the resources to innovate and prepare for such an event. My county of Canada will hopefully at least acquire an air defence system
@NotASeriousMoose
@NotASeriousMoose 7 күн бұрын
​@@mostlygamingstuff1260It isn't that the cage itself is a bad idea, perfect against drones for example. The cope comes from early in the war, when the Russians were trying to protect themselves from top down attacks. That was cope straight through. Now the drones are here and the Javelins and NLAWs are few.
@TheRflynn
@TheRflynn 7 күн бұрын
Drone isn’t a product system but in years to come drone will be like ‘rifle’ or ‘tank’ and this war will be the first war when something like rifles or tanks were part of the new reality. Drone boats, drone planes, fpv drones, kamikaze drones, long range drones.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 6 күн бұрын
For the moment it's where the machine gun was in WW1?
@TheRflynn
@TheRflynn 6 күн бұрын
@ WW1 was coined “industrial war”, would this be remote war, dispersed war. Perhaps the Ukraine war is the shape it is because people are mixing old tactics with new tools.
@PandemoniumMeltDown
@PandemoniumMeltDown 7 күн бұрын
I share your channel as much as I can, when relevant. Don't stop! Much improved audio! 😘
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Appreciate the audio feedback! it's hit and miss
@PandemoniumMeltDown
@PandemoniumMeltDown 7 күн бұрын
@@HISuttonCovertShores Yes, towards the end I almost... well, it cuts. To build a reputation, we need figures. I know the numbers are quite restricted. Still I follow Ukrainian channels and hear things I never hear "outside", this is bad PR. Some Ukrainians build resentment towards the "west" for not knowing... yet very few significant channels are translated properly. We cannot know until we know.
@montrose252
@montrose252 7 күн бұрын
For Z, I would say a T72 with it's turret blown sky-high
@mostlygamingstuff1260
@mostlygamingstuff1260 7 күн бұрын
S300 and Patriot are a staple in my mind when thinking of the war. S300 got a lot of attention at the early stages of the war when they were launching missiles almost daily at Kharkiv. I think one hit an apartment building in Kiev too and one crossed into Poland. The origin of both events are debated. And everyone hears about Patriot and whether or not America will give Ukraine more Also I think glide bombs and fibre optic drones’ are starting to become known. Perhaps I’m a bit biased because I follow this stuff regularly I imagine people living in Poland or the Baltic states hear a lot about Iskander too Edited: extra word in a sentence was removed because it made no sense lol
@reapthewhirlwind6915
@reapthewhirlwind6915 6 күн бұрын
Great content! Subbed!
@crono331
@crono331 7 күн бұрын
The Aeroprakt A22 Foxbat is a weaponized microlight. I have actually landed in Aeroprakt airfield near Kiev back in 2012. Aeroprakt was at Aero 2024.
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 7 күн бұрын
Interesting, thank you.
@Br1cht
@Br1cht 7 күн бұрын
Shovels.
@gafrers
@gafrers 7 күн бұрын
Interesting as always
@guidor.4161
@guidor.4161 7 күн бұрын
I totally agree with your points. But for me personally the Su-25 will also be associated with the aggression, especially early on.
@DukeBG
@DukeBG 7 күн бұрын
With Bayraktar, at least among the Ukrainian audience, it wasn't just that there were videos of its successful usage, but raising it to the mass level of a meme - up to writing songs about it. I have no idea how much of that spilt over to the western audiences.
@averytiredman4857
@averytiredman4857 7 күн бұрын
I would add to this, in the first days a Bayraktar conducted a strike on a Buk in a convoy, giving us pretty much the first big boom on camera (thermals even). This got it a lot of attention, though I don't hear much about it nowdays.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 6 күн бұрын
On naming weapons. I'm old enough to remember that the password named SS-20 was no good news in the 1980s. But worst in history was the 1944 "Operation Market Garden". General Patton: Whatteheck is Montgormery up to now? Going to Amsterdam buying some cauliflower to piff up his awful breakfast???
@ns219000
@ns219000 7 күн бұрын
I vote "King size bedframe, with box spring mattress", for most iconic vehicle armor.
@potholerrepairsterra
@potholerrepairsterra 7 күн бұрын
Bradley has to be here.
@bhhbcc4573
@bhhbcc4573 7 күн бұрын
Where are the tractors ? Dragon teeth also returned to the public eye in a big way.
@trey1531
@trey1531 7 күн бұрын
Russian tanks launching turrets has been pretty iconic
@barnmaddo
@barnmaddo 3 күн бұрын
FPV drone is probably the most commonly used term in the media for that type of drone, but I think quadcopter might be more descriptive. Especially since the quadcopters are used differently than the more airplane shaped drones.
@Tiger313NL
@Tiger313NL 7 күн бұрын
I said I would watch when I'd get home from work, and so here I am, watching. :) I think what we see as iconic weapon systems, people in other countries may not. I know several Ukrainians would call the Gepard iconic, because they can hear them work in their area every day. Or the 2S7 Pion, that Soviet era 203mm self propelled artillery. Or the Leleka drone, for long range spotting. But we'll only know what is perceived to be the most iconic once the war is over and peace returns to Ukraine. Nonetheless, a very nice video indeed. :)
@ChristianSamsel
@ChristianSamsel 7 күн бұрын
Id argue that the Gepard would have its place on the list. Some high profile videos as well as some talk especially in the early days
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
i nearly put it in
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@joostvanwijk3842
@joostvanwijk3842 7 күн бұрын
For the Russians the most iconic among the Ukrainians is propably the Fab series with UMPK guidance kit, they really seem to work well.
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 7 күн бұрын
I guess, they hit within a couple blocks of where they're supposed to go. They're not like the Israelis who will put them through a window or the R9X that they pick which seat in the car to hit.
@joostvanwijk3842
@joostvanwijk3842 7 күн бұрын
@@RTmadnesstoo 1500 or 3000kg is enough for the whole block.
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 7 күн бұрын
@@joostvanwijk3842 So for Ruzzians there is no collateral damage? It works for them, I guess.
@deildegast
@deildegast 6 күн бұрын
Personally i think the t-80 autoloader carousel will maybe not shape the war, but it sure is known amongst civilians as a dangerous trap. Theat might one day influence the perception of autoloaders in general.
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 5 күн бұрын
Don't see why. The carousel is a feature of Russian autoloaders, not autoloaders in general.
@deildegast
@deildegast 5 күн бұрын
​@@adrien5834 Yeah, you and I know that, and many others. The public gets "autoloader exploded badly", and doesn't know different - as with all the presented cases. It might be far fetched, but I refer to the australian politician questioning the dive time of pump jets in a sub. It is certainly the people lacking the in-depth knowledge, that most often make higher level decisions and policies.
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 5 күн бұрын
@@deildegast Well, let's hope they have at least the good sense to consult the experts...
@jvsimic
@jvsimic 7 күн бұрын
One of the reasons that many Russian systems aren't as iconic (or rather, feared) in Western media is because of the efficacy of certain (unsung) platforms. The Khinzal could've been a mainstay of fearmongering were it not for the Patriot being so effective even if we don't hear about them constantly. In a way, that's a good thing, as it allows some incredibly important set pieces for UA to keep working away in the shadows. Unfortunately also a bad thing as UA just doesn't have enough of them.
@americafirst3738
@americafirst3738 6 күн бұрын
Lmfao.... The Ukrainians NEVER intercepted a Kinzhal with a patriot missile!!!! It took out the patriot system
@مراد-ش8ط
@مراد-ش8ط 7 күн бұрын
Good stuff, thanks
@richardmg9
@richardmg9 6 күн бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mentioned the Russian turtle tanks.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 6 күн бұрын
Decimeter thick steel and composite armor. No! That's nothing compared with putting some thin metal plate around it all. To protect that armor. And block all sensors. Something is more stupid with the "turtle tank" than I can decrypt.
@themanformerlyknownascomme777
@themanformerlyknownascomme777 4 күн бұрын
@@bjorntorlarsson so you've never heard of "side skirts" nor are you familiar with why no navy has ever adopted a SABOT or HESH round.
@TheMoghrabimahmoud
@TheMoghrabimahmoud 7 күн бұрын
Yaaayyyyy better microphone 🎉
@judyhawkins6584
@judyhawkins6584 6 күн бұрын
Well, as grim as it is, "meat wave" is perhaps a contender for a Russion iconic "weapon."
@Paulkjoss
@Paulkjoss 6 күн бұрын
The LANCET System - Russian drone that has kicked butt, unfortunately
@SgtToastieYT
@SgtToastieYT 7 күн бұрын
I would argue tanks have become iconic in this conflict, Russia's tank turret flips are certainly iconic in this war. On a more serious note the BMP-3 deployed on both sides have become iconic for ground fighting along with artillery deployed by both sides.
@ailinofaolin8897
@ailinofaolin8897 7 күн бұрын
Completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of Ukranian tanks are also T series tanks, they started with 1200+ tanks and received over 1000 from former eastern block countries. The German Leopards are well known for turret tossing especially if the crew compartment takes a direct hit.
@timothymoffat3095
@timothymoffat3095 7 күн бұрын
Javelin and n-law would be right at the top of the list.
@potholerrepairsterra
@potholerrepairsterra 7 күн бұрын
Not convicted the Neptune is well remembered even now
@speterj
@speterj 6 күн бұрын
I think people will remember the Patriot system. It shot down a “hypersonic” missile.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 6 күн бұрын
The Ukrainians will never forget the West's "Whatever it takes" promise. It "took" the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukranians. Until only the "whatever" part remained. Patriot is 40 years old. What has it ever achieved?
@neilrusling-je6zo
@neilrusling-je6zo 7 күн бұрын
Is Ukraine using Thunderbird Two? I recognise that shape anywhere.
@georgehollings2435
@georgehollings2435 7 күн бұрын
UMPK FAB bombs are pretty iconic imo
@riskinhos
@riskinhos 7 күн бұрын
0:35 a tiger tank is symbolic of ww2?!?! not even 1500 ever made and it was already in late war and had limited use. that's compared to the over 8000 panzer iv or 25000 M4 Shermans or 84000 T-34 for example.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 6 күн бұрын
It's a great question, I think it shows how becoming iconic isn't so much about numbers. It's different from 'common' or ubiquitous, although some common and ubiquitous things can become iconic, for example the Jeep
@riskinhos
@riskinhos 6 күн бұрын
@@HISuttonCovertShores that's very true because I remember reading about the accounts of allied soldiers and the tiger tank was something they feared of finding because it was perceived (and somewhat it was) very powerful (in gaming, op). it had a massive iconic 88 gun and armour that could withstand frontal hits from other enemies main tank guns. about 1750 made and they destroyed about 10000 tanks. that's quite a feat. to the point that only a very small portion were lost to other tanks. most were destroyed by naval and aerial attacks and about half of them to non combat related incidents. I guess being "iconic" isn't about facts and real life and numbers but rather myths and personal and society perception. I bet when allied soldiers came home they told stories of how good the tiger was and that passed on into society. but built and used in such small numbers and so late that didn't made any difference. by the time they were deployed germany was already losing. x
@NextBachelor2025
@NextBachelor2025 7 күн бұрын
What about the Gepard, who is shooting down all the drones? I think the bigges Impact have the FPV drones. Even greater than Shahed.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 6 күн бұрын
"Sea Baby" is almost as good as what they 150 years ago called "the torpedo". Only that over a century ago they went under water which made them silent, and invisible, and protected from any counterfire. (There's not one single documented example of a torpedo having been stopped by gun fire during either of the world wars!) But this noisy highly visible vulnerable little speedboat, likewise unmanned, making its obvious travel across the Black Sea... Is that to be notable for anything than the obvious stupidity of its inept designers?? A torpedo, but on the surface. It's like a house, but without the walls. 100+ years ago they used simple things like torpedo nets to stop torpedos. 500 years in Constantinople they put a chain across their harbor entrance to stop surface vessles like this crossing it. And today they have things like "helicopters" and "drones" to take them out, with bloody machine guns if necessary as if there were no missiles. All well prepared during their hours of obvious approach travel, as satellites passing by every 90 minutes images their wake waves. That these ridicuous joke toys ever scored any hit, proves stupid and stupid again on both sides. War is fubar as always. Etymology: from Latin torpedo "electric ray," originally "numbness, sluggishness".
@KarlKarpfen
@KarlKarpfen 7 күн бұрын
Sure that there aren't air defences at least as well publicly recognised as the rather unknown SeaBaby? Anyone knows the FlakPz Gepard and IRIS-T SLM now.
@Lezcho
@Lezcho 7 күн бұрын
What a treat
@ailinofaolin8897
@ailinofaolin8897 7 күн бұрын
The weapons that terrify the Ukranians the most, FAB 1500 and 3000, TOS-1A and TOS-2 heavy flamethrower, Tornado MLRS and FPV drones, The Russians likewise are terrified of FPV drones and of course the HIMARS those are just some of the stand out weapons of this conflict.
@potholerrepairsterra
@potholerrepairsterra 7 күн бұрын
Id second tos
@ropeburnsrussell
@ropeburnsrussell 7 күн бұрын
Patriot air defense?
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 7 күн бұрын
neptune was mentioned few times but there were basically 11 made and 2 incomplete (yes its a joke, but number was super low) so it wont last long i dont think caesar was mentioned all that much... dont get me wrong. it seems good system. after all russia did build similar ones too. but maybe not for the list. if anything excalibur rounds were mentioned way more or even m777 was mentioned a lot. su34 is certainly iconic with different FABs. so aircraft should very much be on the list. huge impact on the battle field too with glide bloms f16 could be on list because it was mentioned A LOT before it was deliverd. patriot and s300 should be on the list too. iskander should be there too kalibr probably too.
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Are you in US? Wondering whether Caesar vs M777 because we are slightly different media bubbles? Agree re impact of Russian glide bombs but not sure they are iconic
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 7 күн бұрын
@@HISuttonCovertShores nah... internet sources. at least for me m777 was more mentioned. excalibur rounds ever more. i would also mention pantsir. that one was also mentioned quite a lot. also different electronic measures. no names for those. also cages... those are super iconic. and yeah glide bombs sure are iconic. there were many videos from those too.
@dksl9899
@dksl9899 7 күн бұрын
The most iconic Russian weapon: A North Korean soldier obsessed with a smartphone
@dk6024
@dk6024 7 күн бұрын
So, palyanitsya won't be gaining any traction?
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
It might, but if one of their indigenous cruise missile has an easy to say (by other language speakers) name that'll help
@shmalevolokno
@shmalevolokno Күн бұрын
so all the iconic weapons are from NATO except Iranian Shaheed? ok, sure! even lancet drone is not on the list.. great job, very fair analysis 👍
@poloziki9990
@poloziki9990 7 күн бұрын
Where ppzr Piorun?
@beardybrowsingdude
@beardybrowsingdude 7 күн бұрын
I would like for Bradley to be iconic but I only see the success stories from Ukranian usage on more niche news YT channels. I doubt that it would reach your criteria of iconic in terms of actual recognition an association to this war. It does seem to be an early turning of the tide (similar to Javelin) to allow Ukrainian infantry a chance if they use Bradley correctly, similar to how F16 now gives Ukranian Air Force a chance if they use them correctly.
@phantomraven5044
@phantomraven5044 7 сағат бұрын
When I think about the Ukraine war I think of drones. Ariel or naval drones. When I asked my family and friends who have 0 military knowledge. Whose idea of war is limited to hollywood they said the M1 Abrams. As that’s all they’ve heard on the news regarding the Ukraine War.
@valdemar-q7n
@valdemar-q7n 4 күн бұрын
Russian FABs are by all metrics more iconic than Ceasar or Neptune. More talked about, also in western media, and larger battlefield influence.
@antonwearsakilt5209
@antonwearsakilt5209 7 күн бұрын
Commenting to cuck the algorithm Merry Christmas MMXXIV
@HISuttonCovertShores
@HISuttonCovertShores 7 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@antonwearsakilt5209
@antonwearsakilt5209 7 күн бұрын
@HISuttonCovertShores You're welcome, cheers Mate
@relwaretep
@relwaretep 7 күн бұрын
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