The Illegal Fake Chain Block by Fire King - Rulings

[@MSTTV]

For clarity: This applies to monsters that Trigger and includes an effect to summon ITSELF from the Hand. - If the Card activate in the GY but is a monster that can also summon itself from the hand via the same trigger, it counts toward the summon itself from hand trigger limit. (yes even if it is in the GY)

[@kosmikradmr.silentd6810]

If you destroy Sacred Fire King Garunix to add a card to your hand using Fire King Island. Can you also special summon the same Sacred Fire King Garunix that was destroyed from the graveyard?

[@hmafussel94]

​@@kosmikradmr.silentd6810 No because at the time of destruction the garunix wasnt in the gy. Island activate-> garunix gets destroyed->garunix is sent to gy->you search fk monster

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

I had a judge rule in a local that they both could trigger. I was mad. Imagine if fire kings did work like that. They would have so much free advantage for no reason.

[@romygutierrez7873]

I would show em this video. That’s frustrating.

[@billykidman2091]

Lmao deck would be so busted on 3x rangbali 3x garunix with unlimited trigger summons

[@MSTTV]

Well sometimes people work with what they know, and do their best to give a fair ruling. It’s not an easy one. That’s why I said people are new and just don’t know this. But those who do it intentionally against newer players got away with it

[@barongeoffrey75]

Would it be stronger than 1+ danger monster triggering from 1 Card destruction ?

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

@@MSTTV the judge played during gorz and befofe so I assumed they would also know they wouldn't trigger if multiple effect activate that could SS from the hand. It was unfortunate but hopefully other people don't let fire king players get away with that anymore.

[@narfd.8837]

It's also important to understand how the "hand summon restriction" works and how High Avatar Kirin works around it. The restriction is very specific which is why it rarely comes up outside of exactly Fire King: If you have a monster with a trigger effect that includes summoning ITSELF (itself as written as "this card") and the available locations to summon it from INCLUDE the hand, then that effect falls under said restriction. This includes the majority of the Fire King monsters. Now, what makes High Avatar Kirin so important is that you can chain block it's trigger effect as it does not summon itself, it summons another Fire King monster from your hand or GY. Due to it being so flexible you can basically throw 1 effect of another FK monster (for example Sacred Fire King Garunix as chain link 2) to the wolves to chain block Kirin (chain link 1) to effectively summon the same monster through a handtrap like Ghost Belle.

[@xgqv]

this was really helpful! seems like one of those rulings Konami put in so a mechanic couldn’t go too crazy! this is an obscure reference but someone told me something like this with “Jarrac Herra” saying i couldnt special all three from hand.

[@RogueHero]

Thanks for this video, i just picked the deck up myself and was confused how some of these chain links work. The fact that you brought up the old gorz / tragodia rulings help make these rulings make sense. Good video!

[@SwagMaster824]

It’s the green baboon ruling from back in the day. You can’t summon multiple trigger effect monsters from your hand this was a rule Konami established so people couldn’t summon multiple baboons from their hand at once. Same reason why Salamangreat Gazelle and Parallel eXceed can’t be chained together in the same sequence after you link summon the Balelynx.

[@michaeldimisa5707]

Explaining Green Baboon Defender of the Forest to my local players has always been a struggle. Once it started to be explained in terms of gorz tragodea it would make perfect sense😂

[@McTwinkes]

Thanks for this video, my locals will need this. Also, I thought you would include the standby phase with Barong and Ponix. Where they don't start a chain and activate in separate chains. It would also be nice if you can, make a video over the battle phase like how Fire King's triggers work during damage step. That would be immensely helpful for people who are still unaware on how triggers work during damage step.

[@serachobby]

Barong and Ponix do start a chain in the Standby phase. Look at the difference in wording between Mirrorjade/DPE vs Barong/Ponix. You are correct that they would both activate on separate chains though.

[@FrankOcean--]

It's the same as the ghoti tuners returning the standby phase after being banished, or all the effects from grave in branded during the end phase

[@diegourbina5083]

@@serachobbythis is really how it works? I thought YGO omega was bugged tbh.

[@VanFactor]

Was trying to explain this to the judge at my locals too because he thought phase triggers are chain blockable. I gave example of branded stuff, Cartesia, albuion, etc. They don't chain block. I found the rule book explanation. Trigger effects are spell speed 1. Only time they can be spell speed 2 is if they are triggering simultaneously.

[@McTwinkes]

@@serachobby My bad, I didn't mean don't start a chain. I did mean that they start a chain but in separate chains. Thanks for the correction!

[@grodon909]

Aw man, didn't realize #3 at all! I gotta say, some of yugiohs arbitrary rules are really frustrating

[@kirika119]

Fun fact: rulings 2 and 3 were implemented because of this card called Green Baboon…it caused some ruling nightmares and messed up game states so they had to implement an emergency ruling for it that affected every other cards…

[@GuilhermeDiGiorgi]

Thank God for that, imagine the nightmare it would be the opponent activating a million trigger effects from hand, hand being a private knowledge place, so you can't even account for that in your plays, truly a surprise, one at a time is enough

[@kirika119]

@@GuilhermeDiGiorgi the issue I have is not that it’s the same card activating a billlion times because that would be an absolute ass disaster; my issue is that you can’t activate different cards because they can special summon from the hand or “potentially activate” from the hand.

[@serachobby]

Also, just to be confusing, Barong/Rangbali have DIFFERENT trigger requirements to summon from hand compared to Ponix/garunix. Barong/Rangbali require a face up fire monster on the field to be destroyed by card effect. Ponix/garunix will trigger if any fire monster is destroyed, regardless of location or method.

[@MSTTV]

Level 4s are like that I think

[@georc16]

Barong and Rangbali are a lot more specific on there summoning requirements, as they also require the monster destroyed on-field to be a Fire King instead of just any Fire monster like the birds.

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@MSTTVAll of the old cards, mini Garunix and My Little Kirin has it too.

[@soupdawhoop]

would this mean you could trigger both barong/rangbali and garunix/ponix in the same chain if a fire you control is destroyed?

[@serachobby]

@@soupdawhoop no, they're both still trigger effects that summon from hand. It's just a reminder that they have slightly different requirements

[@WillRennar]

For those confused about Sacred Garunix not being Ash-able: The effect isn't sending a card to the GY; the effect is destroying the card. The _game mechanic of being destroyed_ is sending it to the GY.

[@5ar.s955]

But ashe reads: "When a card or effect is activated that INCLUDES any of these effects.." and destroying a card in the deck does include it sending to the GY. I ash cant negate garunix, why it can negate Branded Fusion then? Branded Fusion doesn't say either that you have to send cards to the GY, but it includes doing so. It's obviously a error in the ruling

[@VinegarPotato]

​@@5ar.s955most fusion effects are send to grave while most rituals are tributing. This is in the rulebook, cards can be only sent to the graveyard, OR tributed and sent OR destroyed and sent OR discarded and sent

[@dragonstwilight6389]

​@5ar.s955 cards going to the graveyard after being destroyed is a game mechanic, not an effect. If this was the case, why can't you ash grinning grave virus in master duel? It destroys cards in the deck, yet it can't be ashed.

[@inciaradible7144]

‘This goes back to the classic days of...’ Me, screaming at the screen: GREEN BABOON!

[@dormagio]

This is one of those Yu-Gi-Oh! rulings that feels entirely arbitrary. Why can you trigger multiple effects off the same event but not if two of them are trying to summon themselves from the hand? Because! Why does this “if you can” effect act like a “when you can” for only this type of effect? Because! I’m not gonna fight a judge about it but this is just frustrating and does not feel congruous with other ways that I understand effects to work.

[@Avermra]

Its definitely very arbitrary that hand summon effect is limited to once per chain

[@szymonsadlo]

why we only can Normal Summon once per turn and Special Summon infinite times? every rule is arbitrary at some point

[@stormextreme3970]

@@szymonsadlo IMO that one isn't arbitrary bc the "infinite times" are based off card effs and conditions like pk silent boots, an extra deck summon, or smth like halq. If you are playing a deck like floo you most likely aren't ss at all, but normal summoning multiple times bc of the effs. In a world where you weren't limited to normal summons it would speed up the game to a level past where it is alr at and would make many monsters completely useless. There is a reason Rush Duels need to maximize their hand every turn and they have less powerful cards.

[@szymonsadlo]

@@stormextreme3970 but why 1 normal summon and not 2 or 3? or why infinite special summons and not 10 or 20? someone at some point arbitrarily said that this is the rule this game will follow. I'm not saying one or another is bad but rules are meant to be arbitrary. otherwise they would be recommendations

[@stormextreme3970]

@@szymonsadlo Tbf there is no rule talking about special summons, but I understand the point. It was more based on the beginning of the game where there was just like 1 card that even special summoned anything so it wasn't needed. It is similar to cards early on not have the hard opt text.

[@eondrache7786]

I learned the 2nd/3rd one when i found out you cant summon blue-eyes jet and deep-eyes off the same battle destruction.

[@DeusLightning]

Great video and explanantions. So far from testing and research none of these surprised me. I expected more from the "Fake Chain" blocking but essentially it boils down to you CAN NOT trigger 2 or more "If a Fire monster was destroyed" (Garunix, Ponix, Rangbali) on the same chain. Yugioh has always been like that. I have never had a situation come up where this should happen. The correct line in most cases is to Trigger Garunix first then use Garunix on summon effect on new chain to pop a card and trigger Ponix.

[@witheredunit8362]

I think it would be interesting for you to cover the ruling that allows something like: Garunix trigger to summon from hand CL1, CL2 kirin destroying the garunix to summon itself. The Garunix will still resolve and summon from the GY/banish.

[@cheaterxl243]

I like it allot that you actually showed the database entry. You should do that more often and say where they can find this entry.

[@driptcg]

Im so curious as to why they (Konami) would choose to not count "destruction from deck" as "sending a card from deck to GY", even tho "fusion from deck" does count as that. And i dont just mean cuz they seem similar, but also from a "player-friendly" perspective, to me it would make more sense for similar scenarios to be ruled the same way so that players can get a more intuitive sense of how things are ruled, rather than having to remember how each individual (yet similar) interaction is ruled, which is ofc more cumbersome for gameplay imho. Ngl, kinda hope they update this ruling to how fusing from deck works.

[@MSTTV]

Fusion makes sense, but yah I'm a little lost on destruction why it doesn't fall under the same category, perhaps its within the definition of the terminology.

[@dragon-id5uj]

maybe because for most of the games life, destroying deck was something You might do to Opponent; whereas it wasn't til Shaddoll or Gem Knight that fusing from deck was a thing. destroying your own cards was kind of not in the original vision too much. when you keep hiring new architects to add on random rooms and hallways to a house, the blueprint might start to get messy...

[@driptcg]

@@MSTTV yeah ur probably right, probably has to do with how they want "destruction" to be defined

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@MSTTVJust a side effect of wording,(which they may change in the future like they did with trap mons and snatch effects) like how Towers can be tributed for Kaiju or how mons that are unaffected can be outed with "Forbidden Apocrypha" because it makes "each _player_ sends.."

[@babrad]

@@driptcg Even though the destroyed card will end up being sent to the Graveyard as a result, the effect is not treated as『an effect that includes sending cards from the Deck to the Graveyard.』Ruling on Defender of Nephthys (2nd effect works the same as Garunix) Fusion from deck is by design "sending cards to the Graveyard" just like how it allows face-down monsters on the field to be used as materials.

[@CrenAlder3]

Really enjoy videos like this that make it easier to keep up with the game's ever-growing complexities.

[@xBrayJay]

Can you refresh my memory on if it’s legal to chain ghost Belle to Garunix effect in hand to Special? I think you talked about something similar with drytrons summoning from hand but idk if it’s the exact same scenario and also I can’t remember the ruling for that one anymore either :p

[@MSTTV]

If Garunix is attempting to special in the hand then no. The place where it activates matter . If it attempts from GY then Belle can negate. It’s like drytrons

[@OmegaChase1002]

This shit should reeeeeally be in the rulebook. They should also reeeeeally include the rulebook with structure decks.

[@stubbstcg9682]

Best way to describe scenario 3 is its like how you can Ash or Belle a Gamma since the effect stipulates Deck or Grave for the summon of Driver, but with the hand summon ruling for Ponix and Garunix.

[@senseirivera6650]

Thank you man, I really needed to know the third ruling you mentioned about the ponix in your hand while the sacred garunix in the grave. Because I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to do that but now I know thank you 😊

[@luvajay22]

Konami put all your rules In the rule book!!! lol the game is complexed enough it’s never fun going to a tournament only to find out you have been doing something wrong or wrong was done to you. thanks Tom for clearing this up.

[@MSTTV]

its just not translated in JP, but literally they have it all.

[@babrad]

May I add a 4th point that I consider extremely important? Scenario: You add New Garunix using Fire King Island so you go CL1 to SS it from hand (you destroyed a Ponix). You CL2 activate New Kirin without any other FIRE monster. On resolution, you summon Kirin from the hand by destroying the activated Garunix, then proceed to SS Garunix which is now in the GY. According to Drytron rulings, since this is a "different" Garunix from the one that activated in the hand, it shouldn't be able to SS itself. It's not worded like Dangers that SS 1 card with the revealed name, it SS "this card". I've seen this interaction in a lot of combo guides.

[@anthonyw3828]

I was unaware of the hand summoning ruling so that's good. Where is the ruling database?

[@TrueBlueMcgoo]

I love that we have to explain the rulings of a card that was released in 2007/8 to explain why Garunix and Ponix don't work

[@CrispyBLT-]

I didn’t know the trigger effects In hand cannot be stacked. That’s actually very useful knowledge. Thanks MST!

[@subparduelist]

Similar to how Astrograph and Chronograph couldn’t stack. History repeats itself 😂

[@PSNoverXBOX]

Thanks for the vid!! Definitely did a lot of illegal plays great to know that I can’t do these plays!!!

[@baselali1029]

one common thing i see people do often is they attempt to ghost belle the garunix effect to summon from hand, which btw is not possible

[@asgcm07]

I also read that you can't Ghost Belle Sacred Garunix if you're activating from hand but you can Ghost Belle if you're activating Sacred Garunix from GY according to a Drytron Alpha Thuban ruling, is this correct?

[@NorisvastradaVastrael]

Is the hand trigger ruling just a rule that exists in and of itself? I always thought that Gorz and Trag thing was because they’re both “When” effects so the last thing that happened wasn’t you taking damage it was you activating the gorz effect.

[@spacecoyote6101]

It’s a rule that exists by itself. Multiple triggers that can miss timing are allowed to activate in the same chain, missing the timing only applies if the last action before the current chain is not the trigger condition (i.e. if I use dark hole to destroy 2 or more yang zing monsters, both are able to trigger). I can see how this is somewhat confusing though since when (quick effects) exist like ash blossom that must respond directly to the card that meets its activation requirement.

[@NorisvastradaVastrael]

Thanks for the response Space Coyote!

[@CardFox37]

Similar to how Labrynth Archfiend and Lord of the Heavenly prison would both have an opportunity to summon after a trap resolves, but you can only summon one of them at a time/per trigger.

[@marnonymous6051]

I love how each of these rulings applies to salamangreats as well.

[@bambillisreve1147]

Some people say that you can use the spell Card (dont know the Name) that gets you to your field spell to destroy it If the field spell is destroyed. But i says you can destroy one fire Monster instead or so.

[@speedey844]

I knew number 1 but only because I've played fire kings for a while. I have not had enough experience with the new support, so I was unaware of #2 and #3.

[@erwen18196]

how does herald of arc light interact with Fire King monsters destroyed from hand or deck?

[@reaperdeathgod1]

He's there. He's right there. The first guy listed. The green baboon.

[@Shinde425]

You could probably get a job at a legal firm by putting Yugioh on your resume

[@duwanbradley8329]

The third one I didn't know that I knew the rest thanks for the upload!

[@iBloodxHunter]

Ok, so these don't work but I need help understanding why this DOES work: You have High Kirin in hand and activate Island. You blow up Ponix and search Garunix. You CL1 activate Garunix, CL2 activate High Kirin and blow up cl1 Garunix. High Kirin summons itself from hand and Garunix summons itself from gy, then activates its effect. Why does Garunix not Fizzle? Is it because it already is in the chain or because of some cost in Kirin's effect? As a side note, I almost wish some of these effects said "when" so it was more obvious when they miss timings.

[@jesusalberto2464]

I had a discution today regarding fire king sky burn, my oponnent summon ponix activating his effect of searching then i chained with daruma darma canon and set it face down, after adding the sky burn card, he said he can target his face down ponix monster with sky burn cause it was face up before being face down??? How or where can i test this ruling, thx

[@vampireguy92]

So essentially if a monster would be summoned from the hand after being destroyed u can only activate and summon 1?

[@chrisszocker866]

The other best example for the hand trigger ruling are Gazelle + Exceed.

[@cadenburton7612]

So I'm getting back into the and am playing Fire-Brigade. In a scenario where I'm using Fire king Island to pop Tri-B Kitt and search garunix. In what order or what status of chain do garunix and Kitt trigger?

[@RAPXILLA]

I think number two is wrong because the condition for the two cards is an IF condition whereas Gorz is a when. Obviously it wouldn’t be in the same chain link but it would still count would it not? From what I remember if conditions can occur regardless of the the timing where as when has to trigger right after the trigger.

[@ManuelRiccobono]

Ok so if a card has an effect that let it summon from either hand or gy, it is still counted as an effect that summons from hand, regardless?

[@checced8034]

Hey Tom what happend with the effect off Kirin when i have it in my Hand? its same like Garunix and Ponix As an example 3 or ?

[@cyber5787]

Thanks a lot for making this video. I know it should be ruled that way or else everything will go out of hand but I feel these ruling are pretty dumb and is a pinacle of "Konami said so" that screwed with a lot of players. Not only you need to educate yourself but you need to pray that the judge is educated as well or else you get owned by a fire king player.

[@kindledgatorbro3393]

Didn't know about these effects or these chains. I play fire kings and assumed that the hand effects of summoning could only be used on your own turn because they are not quick effects.

[@xatuyou8045]

It was Green Baboon that was the origin of that ruling.

[@danilempke4245]

so, crarify this for me please. I have arvata on the field and garunix plus barong in the GY. Arvata gets destroyed, then I go garunix eff to revive itself, chain arvata to s. summon the barong in grave. barong hits the field first and then garunix, activating his effect. Is that legal?

[@bdf1696]

So question about the second ruling: Does it work similarly if it were Kirin and Garunix?

[@ruboboyo4579]

I assume you mean high kirin, kirin is a gy trigger effect to summon from the hand or gy and it doesn’t summon itself. The ruling ONLY applies to trigger effects that activate in hand and also special summons that activated monster from hand, it does not apply to second party effects that help to special summon a monster from the hand.

[@jbone_malone]

1:50 Barong's effect doesn't trigger unless destroyed by card effect

[@MSTTV]

Correct! That’s why people are making a huge misplay!

[@FlyBoyKhi]

So this hand summon restriction only applies to when monsters are being attacked? Am I free to chain block in the MP if my opponent activates something like Dark Hole?

[@tohwu]

Applies any time.

[@FlyBoyKhi]

@@tohwu thx

[@Siegfrido]

I suck at chain blocking... So even this is educative... Thanks man

[@luisflores-rr5us]

Does The hand triger effects rulling also aply with garunix and kirin?

[@treyjames1527]

If garunix summons from the grave or hand and then destroys a monster from hand or deck, can ponix then special summon from hand? Or would that not be a new chain? Please and thanks!

[@konospiroda370]

if opponent actives salamangreat rage and destroy fire king island and sanctuary in the same time or more cards including a fire monster on the field can i protect island by destroying 1 fire monster on the field or my hand? what are the rulling for those type of situation?

[@S0liD4CE]

if i discarded 2 sillvas by an effect, I could not chain and summon them both?

[@nigeli6404]

If you destroy Snake eye flameburg dragon in the hand with scared Kirin, does Snake Eye Flameburg effect's happen on the same chain or a different chain?

[@kageto0852]

hi tombox! what about this?: "We hace discussing some ruling on our local regarding ponix and salamangreat gazelle This is the interaction: Player A: activated fire king island and destroy a fire monster in the hand to search ponix, Is ponix able to activate his eff to special summon itself since a fire monster was destroyed by the field? Is ponix similar to salamangreat gazelle?" what would be resolution of this situation?

[@PartyMarty321]

I’ve seen many videos of players explaining the garunix effect as sending to the grave instead of destroying which can kind of confuse players into chaining Ash Blossom. Guess players need to make sure to specify that or you’re going to get hate from opponents thinking you’re trying to gain hand knowledge.

[@zagoraichu]

Is the second scenario kind of the same situation as Floowandereeze and Simorgh ? Because I've heard people saying that the simorgh chain blocks when you normal, but others told me it does not...

[@Rascalhehe]

What about salmagreat raging phoenix and either 2 fire king cause that’s only summon from grave, so it can summon of the same destruction along side Phonix

[@yubelcu5721]

In the third example in what step of the battle phase does the player attempt to use garunix or ponix effects to summon ?

[@GunnerDuels]

Great video for newer players learning FKs.

[@acooper11397]

"This is a children's card game."

[@joestar222]

So can I trigger another summon after the chain link? Also are there any links to this specific ruling? Besides the translations from the OCG.

[@sumandark8600]

With regard to the new Diabellze of the Original Sin: could you still activate cards from your hand like non-monster hand traps? If not, what about a card that sends itself the GY as a cost (no idea if any cards do that though), would that bypass Diabellze by activating in the GY? For context: I'm just getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh after several years away from the game thanks to since Christmas presents. I've always been a casual player but why to try playing more competitively now so I'm not great when it comes to rulings.

[@MSTTV]

I’ll look into it when we get to legacy of destruction

[@MSTTV]

No. Like Imperm , it doesn’t work and evenly won’t work. Must be set first. Which also locks them in for the turn

[@jacoba5235]

I’m confused about #3. So there isn’t a TCG ruling about it? Only an OCG ruling?

[@nolanvannortrick9604]

My question is this: On the second ruling when summoning Garrunix instead of the little chicken from hand can it still destroy from deck and then trigger the chicken after the fact since a fire monster was destroyed by card effect? May be confsuing myself just wanting to know the interaction with one or the other choice

[@babrad]

Short answer: Yes, chicken chainblocks. Long answer: - You go CL1 Garunix in hand to SS itself. Belle CANNOT be used because the effect "special summon this card" is activated in the hand, thus not summoning from the GY (Drytron Ruling) - You go again CL1 Garunix on the field to destroy Kirin in the deck. Ash cannot be used since it destroys and Kirin is only sent to the gy by game mechanics (also we are in Damage Step) - Now you can go CL1 Kirin but also CL2 Ponix. Kirin-like effects are different for effects like Ponix/Garunix/Gazellle/Parallel etc since the first summons another monster from hand/gy while the later summon THEMSELVES from hand/gy, and the "hand trigger summon" restriction only applies to monsters that summon themselves. That way Kirin is chainblocked from Belle, then on the next chain Ponix cannot be Ashed since we are still in damage step.

[@jacesust]

what if I had 3X sacred garunix in my graveyard then I destroy my Ponix using fk island will it trigger my 3X garunix on my gy to special summon it

[@handswipe]

I would still ask head judge at an event for #3 to see how they rule it. Head judge at LA regionals ruled it as both effects being triggerable, at least when asked about it before r1. Also, can sanctuary protect island even if hfd was used? Not finding a consistent answer to this one.

[@MSTTV]

to my knowledge, its can substitute the destruction, because, 1. the card itself isn't doing the substitution so it doesn't matter if it is marked for destruction. 2. The protection is a continuous-like effect, before the destruction of all the cards via HFD, you can still apply the effect, once applied another fire monster would be destroyed instead. Its about the resolution timing.

[@Manifest_Destiny568]

Sanctuary is not yet destroyed at the moment you apply the protection effect. Why it works and not something like hugin vs raigeki is because cards that are marked to be destroyed can not be used for substitution effects of cards like hugin and muckraker.

[@hyperCROC12]

Played against a friend yesterday who brought fire kings and I had to correct him so many times because I read his cards and he obviously didnt.

[@TuckNeal]

People who fall into that barong “misplay” didn’t play fire kings years ago lol

[@vinnypoohanimations]

5:42 ooooh that's why I couldn't special summon both my rescue ace from hand when I summon another one on the field 🧑‍🚒🧑‍🚒

[@WShoup9818]

The hand trigger ruling is due to green baboon.

[@josephtodd9877]

Can garunix summon effect from hand be ghost belle En francais ( esque je peut ghost belle l'effet d'invocation de garunix depuis la main ?)

[@b_a_nned]

Can you theoretically belle the Garunix even though it's in the hand since it does include the effect to special itself from the gy?

[@spacecoyote6101]

No, since garunix must be in gy at activation in order to summon itself from gy, therefore there is no possibility of summoning it from gy and thus belle can’t respond to it.

[@matthewgrant197]

tom can i get a clarrifcation on the ruling , can they if they destroy kirin , do chl1 kirin chl2 garnuix , as kirin can summon from hand? does this become therefore a hand trigger and this chain is also illegal? just to explain situation , fire king island destroys kirin , on new chain they wish to do chl1 kirin in gy to summon , chl2 garunix effect to summon from hand

[@MSTTV]

Kirin is fine, it doesn’t summon itself from the hand, key point, this applies to monsters summon itself from the hand

[@cosmicotv2463]

Ohh thank you for showing these rulings cuz I play fire king and for a while I thought I can do those plays. I guess I owe my locals player an apology

[@randomUser2121]

If kirin gets destroyed while garunix is on gy can I go cl 1 kirin cl 2 garunix?

[@Taiwa1010]

I have a question, can you go chain link one barong standby phase effect then chain 2 ponix standby effect? I thought you could chain block like that but now not so sure after playing on an online automated simulator. In the simulator it would go barongs effect, then opponent could respond, then ponix effect after barong resolves.

[@tohwu]

No. Phase triggers are only activable in open game state. So, they have to be cl1 like branded fusions and dogmatika end phase effects, lightsworn end phase milling, Baronne standby effect, etc...

[@garrukablaze]

yeah what towu said, and because of that they start their own chains. So your opponent could chain cards to each of them separately and stop both.

[@lyndonmauigoa2497]

So my hand triggers special summons can play actives on my opponent’s turn as well? Even if it’s not a quick play effect?

[@MSTTV]

Yah. They are triggers like mystic tomato

[@186Soup]

Im rusty AF. Im a licensed electrician working 60+ hour work weeks while full time adulting so i dont have alot of time for yugioh.

[@ctusiard9755]

I didn't know about 3. That's crazy lol. Although it sounds like something you should ask your local judge about.

[@gubigubigubigubi]

5:30 This is why yu gi oh as a card game sucks assssssss The biggest reason imo So many ancient arbitrary ruilings that make cards not do what they say they do.

[@DAIMEX94]

Let's be honest - 1st - rules are rules and must be followed. This is the game. 2nd With that being said, a lot of the rulings doesn't make sense/logic. When you read it should happen like that, but because of fairy tail mechanic , you house gets blown by a tornado....

[@mateofortin-lubin8010]

I get that you can't summon ponix and sacred garunix on the same chain but is summoning ponix after the effect of sacred garunix legal ? so fire king island > sacred garunix summon / effect destroying a fire monster > ponix summon

[@MSTTV]

If you used FK Island to add Garunix> Then summon Garunix and then in a new chain use garunix to destroy a fire from deck say a Kirin. then yes you can trigger the ponix in hand in the next chain.

[@Manifest_Destiny568]

Legal because it is occurring in a new chain and the trigger condition was met.

[@valentinsap1334]

So If I crow barong during drawphase u can resolve add ?

[@MSTTV]

U can stop barong, during draw phase yes if you crow it early before sb phase

[@Yugiohdeckmaster41]

ok so does the last one also work for other decks that have a in gy/hand summon and a hand summon or is it just affecting fire king i ask so i understand should another deck come up with a similar situation i know this ruling counter both of them going off not just fire king

[@tohwu]

it works, it's just rare to see cards with gy/hand triggers like garunix or dark hole dragon + hand trigger in the same deck.

[@familiacaquimarrento6751]

garunix in the grave can catch by belle?

[@owenthomson9559]

Fortunately I played Fire Kings back in the day, so I knew 2/3 The third one, I just assumed since it was in grave it worked differently. But now I know, thanks!

[@xisvicious]

#3 At las vegas regional I called ruling against that the judges ruled that they could both trigger so is this gonna be one these situations it's gonna be up to head judge only?

[@MSTTV]

The head judges should be consistent and I have heard a few rc2 level say otherwise until they read through source material. So it’s more of a case of missing information and had to rule on the spot

[@xisvicious]

@MSTTV Got you I hope there information is updated for ycs Vegas

[@endgame_real]

Also at Vegas regional I played vs FK and was allowed to Ash the Garunix to destroy from deck, even after an appeal.

[@aaronlawrence4218]

So how come lab can special multiple from hand or graveyard

[@fireblaze16]

the hand ruling shown in the video is applicable to trigger effects that summon themselves from the hand. None of the Lab cards are these types of effects.

[@aaronlawrence4218]

@@fireblaze16 ok thanks

[@jbone_malone]

THANK YOU, since when have we been able to activate 2 effects at the exact same time?! Unless otherwise stated

[@MSTTV]

Many times as long as they aren’t hand triggers, it’s Segoc

[@francescolofaro8258]

Yellow Baboon is the reason of 1 trigger eff from hand, from 2009 if I am not wrong.

[@mawuligeorge5862]

Can you make one on destructive daruma karma cannon