The Incredible Fighting System BULLY Almost Had

Bully is a great game. No doubt about it.
But it could've been better had this fighting system not been abandoned.
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00:00 Background
00:59 Evading & Counter Moves
01:53 Kicks & Punches
03:15 Fighting Modes
04:42 Clever Enemies
05:34 Why was it removed?
07:13 The End
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[@jackluffy7914]

This is honestly the most interesting and thought out fighting system I’ve ever saw in a game to this day. This fighting looks rough and ACTUALLY looks like a brawler fight. And it seemed like every fighting encounter would of been different which I like a lot

[@lazymodsv37]

Have you ever played god hand

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

What about Yakuza?

[@jackluffy7914]

@@lazymodsv37 I’ve heard about it and it looks nice imma have to check it out

[@ninjastyle7703]

@@GrimTheDestroyer I always joked about imagining yakzua gameplay with bully or god hand gameplay

[@pratyushxis1787]

I still think sleeping dogs and batman Arkham series have the best combat system I have ever seen.

[@karelleet]

Holy shit I'd pay good money for a fighting game with these mechanics, the attacks and dodging look so fun

[@Uberunderstander]

Try out the Yakuza series. It’s a beat em’ up which, in my opinion, is one of the best fighting games out there. Also it has a really good story. I got hooked since the very first title, but for newcomers i’d recommend to start with Yakuza 0

[@TheHumbleHollow]

To be fair, the evade system almost seems like a more complex version of Sifu's avoid mechanic

[@TheGodQuac]

@@Uberunderstander 🤓

[@LampWithLegs]

@@TheGodQuac no reason for that man

[@Senses-Failed]

Mad Max, sleeping dogs, shenmue

[@guicarvalho9796]

I always found Bully's combat system very interesting and well done, as well as incredible for it's time. Rockstar definitely knew what they are doing.

[@zerx..-]

where did the time go :(

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

By removing a better fighting system and rushing the game?

[@Tankl4d2sdlg]

L

[@Harril8265]

​​​@@MGrey-qb5xzYou're not exactly speaking like someone knowledgeable about game development. There are all kinds of potential reasons, like the video covered.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@Harril8265 it ain't that deep

[@Cavefire76]

If bully 2 happens, these type of moves need to be in it

[@evanvalentino1474]

Ong they should

[@wasabi5338]

2:19 i like the idea of Jimmy learning these moves in wrestling class while learning kicks from the Hobo.

[@UniQAntiQ]

That is so cool. Completely understand why they didn't/couldn't implement it into the game, but I'm really glad it's not lost media, and really glad you're making videos of these things. I love videogames, man. That intro punched me right back into my student apartment from years ago btw. Unexpected nostalgia.

[@deathtopia-virtuososuicide8505]

why didn't they implement it tho

[@HappenedUnfortunately1001]

I hope this gets modded into the game someday

[@emonordestino2830]

Me too

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

They already modded some of these, but its in mobile...

[@travistreadway3180]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 mobile ewwww

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

@@travistreadway3180 The game's not bad if you own a gaming phone but the scholarship edition bugs are still there because its just a SE port with visual changes

[@AventuraHoldings]

@@Kratos_Messi7050 how??????

[@joaoguilhermebastos519]

As a martial arts instructor i find out the forgotten system impressively realistic. As a player i think it would be hella fun.

[@UnfortunateSolar]

When the beta is much better than the final game

[@kanethesevenfootmonster868]

Beta is always better than the Final game..🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Sotc.......

[@jamretro1336]

Much better is pushing it

[@zelphplayz]

The beta is supposed to be much darker probably because of Jimmy death scene in the chem plant factory

[@lucassinclair8885]

@@zelphplayz Edgar's laugh is brutal

[@jimmyneutron5755]

The full game is so much better tho

[@grubfilms9043]

More evidence why we need Bully 2

[@rmreemahmed3039]

I will love to see a mod implementing this fighting system if its possible

[@watch.me.766]

same

[@CouldaWouldaShoulda]

you cant because in modding you can only use animations that are already in the game

[@lucascalivari6966]

@@CouldaWouldaShoulda they can now with a new tool that was used to mod gta san andreas, but not many people mod bully nowdays

[@CouldaWouldaShoulda]

@@lucascalivari6966 cleo? that hasnt even been fully developed its like still beta

[@CouldaWouldaShoulda]

@@lucascalivari6966 and i dont think you can add animations with that

[@tescosniffer3671]

Never seen these combat demonstration videos before, it looked genuinely intense and extremely fleshed out. Hurts that they removed this, would've made the game so much more memorable and enjoyable. Combat is one of the things (for me as least) that has become tiring over the years of playing the game, this would've been a way more unpredictable system that would've competed with even today's combat standards in gaming.

[@XxSTACKxX]

I remember the godfather game having a satisfying melee system. But it’s been a while since I’ve played itq

[@ballysallyarmy]

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[@John-996]

Play The Warriers if you have not already.

[@RFakaWRXringland]

You actually brought the intro back. Daaaammnn. Didn't think my conversation with you during your last stream would be remembered and you did one better and used it. Love you bro!! My face lit up. Thanks for that

[@SWEGTA]

Thanks for tuning into the stream. It's always fun chatting with people, especially those who have been following the channel for a long time. :)

[@mcren4653]

those counter attacks are so damn smooth

[@Jbkbmx]

So good seeing you consistently uploading again. Hope all is well with you. The game would be sooo much better if they actually implemented this into the final game. From what I know (or think), Dennis was working on this after hours in the studio on his lonesome, with nobody actually knowing he was working on that. I think he tried to get someone's attention about it but it didn't work out

[@karelleet]

Crazy to think that there is not a single fighting game as in depth as this beta concept to this date, only fight night would come close

[@2judahbosh]

to be fair its a similar idea to fight night champion with the slips and weaves

[@helicopterk3n708]

MAD STREETS LOOK IT UP

[@themadtitan7603]

Your videos on Bully's cut content always a treat. It's the first time I'm seeing these fight demos and I think it's a shame Rockstar didn't implement this combat system as it looked very spontaneous, varied and responsive, something a lot of Rockstar games struggle with. This system would've been the good follow-up The Warriors' combat the year before Bully and it would've cool to see expanded on in future R* games like GTA IV or RDR1.

[@Bladez5]

Yeah

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I always loved Bully's combat system but I would have loved the react system instead of the final version

[@rickythemaddragonxiong8757]

It seems the combat system ended up being used in GTA4 although not as fluid. The unused combat reminds me a bit of Yakuza & Judgment.

[@synkree]

I would say its more Shenmue-ish and less like Yakuza or Judgement

[@zer0_ner034]

Yeah, reminds me of the Snake style dodge from Lost Judgement

[@mikynachomiguelangel8032]

Reminds me to sleeping dogs

[@sharksowneverything1]

I was thinking that too, it seems like Rockstar used a simplified version of what Dennis had in mind for Bully on GTA IV and let Euphoria do the rest

[@bixo2956]

some of the beta fight animations were used in sleeping dogs.

[@zelphplayz]

2:23 that reverse attack is just 🔥🔥

[@DennisOpel_]

After 22 years Ive ended up working again with my original mentor Felix, who originally hired me into the industry and taught me about combat systems, and was responsible for creating the fighting system in The Warriors...Id be curious to see what we could do together 22 years later.

[@J_Striker_A]

Best bully content creator out there, I started my lua learning journey from your videos back in 2015, I stopped modding for a really long time, came back and you are still the best bully content creator.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

For those who don't know search up "Bully ps2-Combat remake mod, everything here at least for jimmy is being implemented along with other new features

[@mr.soystein7849]

Just like you said, considering all the demos are in 1 vs 1 combat, they probably realized that such complex mechanics can be a hassle to implement in group fights. Not even God Hand is that complicated.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

What they can do in group fights the AI is simple and only special variants of the npcs can do the more complicated stuff

[@n6h6]

@@MGrey-qb5xz that makes sense, because they already do that in the final game. There's always a couple try-hards per clique that do weird shit, like dodging/juking, diving tackles, or superheavy attacks. They could have made most people just "okay" at fighting, and gave a select few people (like the really big guys or the boxers or the really quick guys) some special tricks up their sleeve.

[@LordRaptor]

Being a person who really loves fighting games (Bully is my favorite non-fighting game), I would've LOVED this system and considering that just small remnants of what was left of it made me such a big fan of Bully as we know it, I can't imagine how much more I would've liked Bully if it were to be fully realized as the people who worked on it envisioned, with this system.

[@projectneich4415]

Bully IS a fighting game. It's literally a beat em up with freeroam.

[@SlurpyPie]

Maybe if we get Bully 2 they plan to implement and improve upon this system. I'm still enjoying the system we got but it'd be interesting to see them take another crack at it.

[@Shadowmanisreallycool]

SWEGTA, you're one of the few things keeping me from ending it. thanks man, keep going :)

[@SWEGTA]

Thank you, but please don't do anything dangerous or harmful. Take care and don't hesitate to hit me up on Twitter if you ever wanna talk.

[@Gsr_automotive]

Anyone else click this thinking... "But bully already has an incredible fighting system?!" Edit: I really like this. I usually praise the already existing system for being outright fun and well polished and kinda wishing a similar system would make to other games, however now that I see this one, I am quite intrigued and am hoping someone makes a mod of this wether it be for bully or perhaps gta.

[@givemedadough]

This is so nostalgic swegta really back making these type of videos 🔥

[@gangrel_76]

The fact that Bully is a 17 year old game and yet we're still uncovering cool facts and info about is awesome

[@sarahconway2382]

I especially liked the Npc's counter attacks in the video and I think it would be cool if they all had their own unique one. The Bullies could start with a shove, then a couple of hooks. The Preppies could've done a jab to the stomach and then upper cut. The Greasers could do a cool sweeping leg kick and then a kick to the ribs. The Jocks could've done a headbutt to the stomach then finishing with a straight punch that'll knock you to the ground. And the Townies could've done a kick to the stomach and then taking you down with a Polish Hammer. The Nerds and Non Cliques are too pathetic to do counter attacks.

[@ILikeSoda229]

SWEGTA coming in clutch right when I’m having lunch I agree with you on the system being too difficult to play when it comes to large crowds, or for the Teens playing. I probably wouldn’t have been able to finish this game if the combat system was this sophisticated and it could have turned some people off. Fun Fact, this combat system didn’t completely go to waste! Some of the animations can be seen in the game Sleeping Dogs, since some people who worked on that game made Bully. Great vid as always Sweg

[@DennisOpel_]

actually...not true. none of these animations left the studio, and i never worked on sleeping dogs with the rest of the crew

[@Asian_Kid]

I hope Bully 2 has this.

[@Berserkerenergy]

These Mechanics are Awesome wish they would have made in the Final Game.

[@vahlok1426]

That dodge reminds me of how in the first ever trailer for Resident Evil 5, you can see Chris ducking and weaving between enemy attacks for a moment.

[@NotoriousJohnsonBig]

im glad you brought back the iconic intro sweg

[@CarlJohnson-gq8hw]

When did I make this comment ☠️

[@CarlJohnson-gq8hw]

Bruh nevermind 🗿

[@fedyx1544]

We can only hope if bully 2 ever gets made it will have a similar system

[@animalcrossingfan88]

I cant imagine how worse the outrage would’ve been if they kept the original fighting style. Jack Thompson would’ve have several jimmie’s rustled.

[@ladyjuliet9614]

I think the system is too complex. It would be fun if there were two fighting styles for Jimmy, one for Crowds and the other 1vs1 fights. Because unless the npcs fight one at a time and the others like wait and cheer, it would be really weird.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

The beta one for 1vs1 and a beast style that would allow you to beat up students using other students as weapons

[@thewhitewolf58]

Reminds me of the batman arkham fighting system where instead of fighting 1 person batman is adhd jumping around and punching everyone until the last person falls.

[@SolusFather]

You have to be extremely thick in the head to find this combat system "too complex"

[@protogenliffy]

A more area attack style would be rad then, based on using more wide heavy attacks and possibly using objects around to ease out the odds. Or they could make it so other NPCs would either strafe around Jimmy one of a time and throw easily dodgeable attacks that can be easily countered

[@2judahbosh]

@@thewhitewolf58thats more based on streak at the start he only fights enemies near him at a 20 streak hes flying across the room

[@aslightlystablefootsoldier9838]

The coolest part is how on point it is. School fights consist of two dudes trying to combo each other as fast as they can before the teacher comes and pulls them out and the concept of speed running a fight at the cost of hits is really cool.

[@hassansong7630]

*This combat system that gets eliminated reminds me of the combat of The Warriors, I think if they take that combat mechanics from that game instead the one that has his official version will be more satisfied but in another way will be a little explicit because the combat of that game is brutal .*

[@BullyZone]

Love your content!

[@Shaztopia1]

A SWEGTA Bully video!? Amazing to see you back

[@AndréVilaFranca]

It would've been tremendous to have this deep level of combat. I'm really looking forward to see Dennis Opel's upcoming game. We need more deep comnat mechanics like this. Also Dennis if you're listening please add character damage as well, not just visually but damage that can influence the game's mechanics.

[@AndréVilaFranca]

@@DennisOpel_ Awesome! I hope your game rocks! We need games like these. Keep up the passion and hard work and thanks for the reply.

[@freddythescnd]

7:17 voice crack was epic

[@the__geekboy]

Rockstar is known for nerfing the best features, instead they concentrate more in Shark Card sales.

[@ellis8426]

The dodging mechanic should be unlocked after you completed the boxing challenges would be so cool.

[@Elbow1878]

This would have elevated this game so much. The counter punch system is exactly what the combat is missing.

[@a_a3595]

@SWEGTA 2:06 Fun fact In Xbox 360, Ps2 Canis canem edit : You can get an invincible frame by lock targeting on your opponent, crouch, rapid tap “A/X” then tap “Y/🔺” you will be preforming a take down while crouching This will trigger the invincible frame Keep in mind you will be gaining damage BUT your moves won’t be interrupted at all as far as I know With this you can takedown any prefects as much as you want BUT Police. That’s a different story try it for yourself This glitch in my opinion is for fun only I doubt speedrunners would use them Edit : If you done this to a prefect keep crouching just to be safe

[@MiniJamie]

Thank god he’s back to uploading :)

[@travistreadway3180]

Ayo getting jumped in this game would be HELL you’d have to be literally Kimbo Slice to just one rap EVERYONE but it can happen

[@a_a3595]

Lock on opponent Crouch repeat tap A or X then perform a takedown by tapping Y/🔺 and keep crouching

[@travistreadway3180]

@@a_a3595 you might be good as fuck at older UFC’s like 2010

[@fluttzkrieg4392]

I'll never get tired of Bully content.

[@blazinboy762]

I think that another reason they removed thid combat system is for immersion. This combat system is more alike to boxing and a lot of teenagers cant fight like this. The current fighting system is stripped down but it shows that jimmy isnt a professional fighter. I would love if this combat system was in bully but it wouldnt be as immersive because its suggesting that a 15 year old can fight likr muhummad ali

[@playggames7854]

Honestly, even though Bully has stripped away all those realistic and complex dodge and counterattack mechanics, it still has a far more complete combat system than GTA 5

[@DaniloElCapo666]

The dodging system reminds me of the one that appears in godhand (PS2) but this one looks more elaborated. Maybe you could even use throws after dodging, like dodging low and then grab the enemy's legs instantly throwing him down, or a grab that drags the enemy to the nearest wall like one move you can do as shinada in yakuza 5

[@chiefsalvaje6557]

Bro I really wish the fighting in Bully was like the fighting in Warriors 😫

[@FlowSouls]

tbh Bully has already share Game mechanic from The warrior but not combat mechanic

[@chiefsalvaje6557]

I know that but what I meant is that I wish it had the same intensity from it

[@jimmoefoe1471]

So sad this was not in the game. This would be a completely different experience when I first played it when I was a kid.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Ngl, this kinda looks like Urban Reign fighting

[@TheMkfan123]

Can you guys imagine how dope this would have been? We've all played this game so much that we pretty much know how each student fights, so being able to dodge counter those punches and kicks would have made us feel like a god (or UI Goku lol)

[@jacktorrance6404]

The fighting in the game is still fun in the end. The only problem was that it wasn't really suited to fighting multiple enemies at once. Which is something that you had to do a lot.

[@rodrigomacedo6566]

If this fighting mechanic made into the official game it would be awesome. It will be cool if someone made a mod about this

[@kingkev6407]

Brooooo factsss

[@Cautiously]

Bro the fact that Rockstar would've had a generational fighting system that games to this day don't have such fluid motion is insane but bully is still top teir gaming!!

[@jimmyexpelled]

OMG so much stuff deleted.. I'm starting to hate Rockstar for this😭

[@wojakthecrusader1410]

Fun fact originally bully was going to be a lot more like the warriors (the combat system) but they scrapped it probably because of T rating.

[@jake7843]

This Reminds Me Of The Warriors Fighting Style You Could Block And Dodge Hits On That Game Too

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

5:27 Those also appear to be weapon pick ups from vice city?

[@alfianfahmi5430]

If only Bully series was not dead yet 🗿😮‍💨

[@curly-d23]

The iconic intro has retaken its rightful place! 😁

[@hmmmbrother7502]

That dodge attack looks very similar to what we ended up getting out of the boxing fights if not the exact same animations.

[@michaelhall736]

I would have loved a combat system like this. And I would be really curious to see the nerds and townies would fight with this system.

[@melony_6858]

hey i have amazing news well bully mobile version has this fight system its actually a mod called yap massacre beta fight style made by a KZbin well known as yap massacre he made this incridible mod with every single detail he mentioned the combo the evade system the body launguage you might think im joking but no the only problem is the controls as you have to use the analog that you normaly use for runing ok so let me explain the controls : analog is for light attacks and the punch buttons is for heavy attack and there is three vareitys of heavy attack 1 light heavy 2 semi heavy 3 fully charged and each one has a cool animation the can swipe down for evade and the players dodges in the same direction of your analog and you can also preform a counter attack depending on your evading direction just like you saw in the video now let me talk about the counter attack system so this is an entresting one as you have to pay close attention to evry frame bc when in a fight attackers can preform heavy and light punches or heavy and light kicks and grapples abd takedowns someone is kicking you you can grab his leg and take hime down if some is charging into you with a big meaty fist you can grab it and hit his leg or his face or his torso and so on the number of animations is huge and the effort tk make this mod is also huge

[@VisualsProd.War_]

Is it possible to get bully mods on iPhone?

[@melony_6858]

@@VisualsProd.War_ yeah

[@DennisOpel_]

How can i remake this? How could I get backing? What would people want in the game? Could I get enough backing for a kickstarter? Its so niche. But I have to say. Almost all action games with combat have unrealistic combat. Its something thats existed since NES days. You do a 3hit attack, I block, then i do a 3 hit attack and you got hit 3 times. But i cant be greedy, cuz the enemy might counter attack based on me trying for that 4th hit. This isnt real combat, but its the norm and never changed. Why do all games have to use the same principal rules? If you fight for real, you make decisions on the fly, to survive. Its not just a rhythm thing. Its a decision thing. Thats for hand to hand, sword fighting etc.. Theres danger to it, and reward for it if you make it through. Theres excitement to it. Fighting is brutal and messy and dangerous. Some sims get it. But I wanted to make this a factor in a bigger experience. I still get comments to make this a mod. That wont happen. It would have to be its own thing. I would totally do it with community support. If it could get it.

[@K-EntZX]

I'm not sure about the backing but dude, I don't know if I'm being too optimistic but I feel like this could even change combat systems in gaming forever, specially in an era where people are already getting tired of the batman arkham esque combat. Not sure what you'd like to do but I do know that us bully fans tend to also hold Yakuza and Sleeping dogs as holy grails, so that at least can work as a basic direction. If you want backing maybe you could focus on those communities to begin with, we're starving for a real brawler.

[@ThoroughbredThab]

5:17 Chads double jab was GORGEOUS 😭

[@DefaultChannelName]

Glad to see another video Swegta hope all is well man ❤ I wish the combat was like that because I have boiled down to just throwing 1 to 3 punches in a combo instead of doing all the other combos to play like a "boxer" and ill use grappling to be like a "wrestler" im using quotes because they obviously aren't necessarily boxing or wrestling techniques and such but still I would love that complex fighting system because I already go around and fight the preps constantly to gage timing and distance and I know how to interrupt certain attacks 🤣

[@liittlemac]

This feels like if Jimmy did more training at that boxing gym he fought the preppies in

[@Liner-Chad]

I really think why it was not in the game, because he know similar from Victorious Boxers 2 that he use animation in this game because it's a same mechanic fighting style from Victorious Boxers 2, so thats why he quit early Rockstar company.

[@Shoxic666]

Damn I've always wanted R* to do a fighting system like this, the contextual animations and the realism are great. Although after playing The Warriors I can see how every fight being complex and in-depth gets tiring when you're fighting hundreds of enemies per playthrough.

[@functionmain6351]

I found that Jimmy's fist hit the enemy's jaw with precision every time, which is Inverse Kinematics, calculate how the animation should change based on the position of the target

[@MYSTIK4L33]

I'd love to see more videos from you. You're my favorite Rockstar KZbinr!

[@KushQrox]

My best guess is that they decided to nerf the combat as naturally they're not trying to make an teen in an campus seem overpowered for an teen in the campus. Jimmy was capable of basic combat, not a black belt on judo lol.

[@shellum]

Dennis should make his own game with this system. That MadStreets game or whatever wasn't good enough.

[@shellum]

@@DennisOpel_ If you really are Dennis, then I say hell yeah, brother. I need a hard hitting, visceral and gritty combat system in my life. Don't pull any punches either, I wanna' see some blood!

[@DennisOpel_]

@@shellum I agree. Mad Streets was different. A physics game. id rather do a beat em up with this system as a base. And yeah blood would be cool.

[@bijicippek4973]

Will be appear in Bully 2

[@akayokalumba5151]

The guy that animated this did boxing

[@so_true_jestie]

seeing a well made combat system is so satisfying

[@TERRELLTURNER1999]

Would love to see this fighting system utilized for GTA 6

[@Daedalus4]

Yeah, this might look extremely impressive one-on-one but I'm sure it quickly became a clusterfuck once you had to fight two or more people. Which is probably why they made the final combat more freeflowing. Also, considering the amount of weapons you can get later, the technicality would really have been wasted.

[@li_B4shar_il]

I saw those clips on Twitter few months back, I wish these were in the final game!

[@kingkev6407]

Now that gta 6 is coming they better bring this animator back for the fighting system honestly I would love to fight with this combat system

[@KenMasters.]

This is what Grand Theft Auto has been lacking since III. Players can turn GTA characters into a lot of things, but they can’t turn them into fighting machines.

[@kingkev6407]

@@KenMasters. faxxxxxxxx I’m already knowin

[@jimfromdiscord.8904]

No Peanuts were harmed during the making of Dennis Opel's demos.

[@sneakyskunk1]

Bully is a great game, but this combat system would have been an interesting addition to an already fairly robust set of fighting mechanics. Nice to see additional details still popping up years after the game's release.

[@Mortem201]

Mr. No Friends

[@kanethesevenfootmonster868]

Great Video Swegta!! You Always keep bring more Information abouy Bully, Thanks!!!!!

[@kanethesevenfootmonster868]

In the Final game there is still dodge and counter-attacks, but only for preppies, Gary Final Showdown and in the boxing minigame, but yeah, it would be much more Complex.......

[@F.Hodderrock]

Love your content, love to see that you still use the same intro too.

[@psatire512]

Imagine fighting johnny or derby with this combat system💀

[@FlowSouls]

Not even Johnnt stomps Kick is not Going work against Jimmy bu evading all his move

[@canraid3477]

Always crazy, to see rockstar related beta/cut content. It's always stuff that would have been amazing in the final game.

[@John-996]

The Warriers has a great combat system. But Rockstar design their combat systems based off who you play as. In the case of Jimmy he is a school kid so combat system fits him.

[@bearman2232]

Bully 2 needs this combat

[@vaultdude4871]

Classic Sweggie video format

[@ParchedPinemarten]

Respect for keeping this game alive.

[@nugss1222]

The beta controls of bully is almost similar to the warriors, and speaking of rush? The warriors has 300+ characters and most of them has only generic moveset. Kinda shame