The Influence of the Red Scare and McCarthyism in Fallout | Fallout IRL

[@rudeboyragga]

The irony of americans be sacred of helping the working class is not lost on everyone these days

[@CorvoFG]

The Nazis had a similar thing, prior to the outbreak of WW2. Denouncing neighbours became a way for some to get rid of those they didn’t like.

[@eatham.]

what i've always found funny is that the way of life inside vaults has always seem fairly communist. especially in vault 33 from the show like i don't think they use money in there, they just share their resources and such.

[@ApethGrader]

Tbh so is the typical family structure. Social vs political

[@Argacyan]

Communist structures (direct democracy, sharing of resources, re-establishment of the commons, equal treatment etc) are decently common in media depicting the apocalypse or post-apocalypse for a variety of reasons.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

The Red Menace is my favorite holotape game, followed by Automatron.

[@CG101INC]

I agree. Those are very good games, but I think Wastelad is the best 😊

[@nebulaswirl]

If y'all think the red scare ever ended IRL you are sorely mistaken...

[@abdullahtshabal9522]

The postwar Red Scare didn't only exist in the United States. The segregationist Apartheid policies and repression that existed in South Africa also had very clear anti-communist undertones, which was heavily supported by the US during the Cold War to the extent that South Africa was given nuclear weapons and serve as a "last bastion" of exerting Western control over the world, just in case the Cold War got a bit too spicy and it's geographic isolation relative to the superpowers in the North made it a very low priority for a potential Russian or Chinese nuclear strike. Coincidentally, South Africa would make for an excellent setting for another Fallout game

[@t3hSpAdEs]

South Africa is already basically a post apocalyptic wasteland since the end of apartheid

[@PieCakeandDonuts]

That'd be pretty cool new story then just exiting another vault-tec vault again id pay for this story bro and a decent game with new creatures and stuff otherwise yeah would be dope to have a faction you start entirely with brother and arms and have the choice to play it to the end or betray all of them

[@look_into_it]

White people built South Africa. When they gave it to black communists they ruined it. Enjoy your rolling brown outs.

[@concept5631]

That's... nearly completely wrong. South Africa was heavily sanctioned by the US and most of the world, and worked with Israel to make their nuclear weapons. I have no idea where you got that information from but its wrong.

[@abdullahtshabal9522]

@@concept5631 The US had an arms embargo on South Africa, but still traded with them and supported them politically due to the Cold War and early on, Jim Crow Laws. Anti-communism was also a key political feature in both the US and South Africa at the time. The US, especially during Republican presidencies was heavily critical of UN sanctions and even went out of their way to skirt them. It wasn't until the 1980s when Isisrael imposed an arms embargo and the US actually started to implement "heavy" economic sanctions.

[@manuelmoralez2257]

Please Norte make a video on why the date 2277 of the downfall of shady sands works perfectly since its lines up with the battle of Hoover dam because everyone is ignoring the arrow showing a passage of time

[@neves5083]

I didn't knew about that one, isn't shady sands the capital of NCR? What happened?

[@Ben.Ergxyigdru]

I want to see this

[@Jaysin412]

​@@neves5083watch the show

[@fancypantsmanface2445]

God.. are people already trying to defend Bethesda's hissy fit annihilation of every story better than what they're capable of writing? Fallout 3, 4 and 76 could all rot without anything of value being lost so they had to burn 1, 2 and new Vegas to make themselves feel better.

[@Jaysin412]

@@fancypantsmanface2445 they didn't tho.

[@Newvegasfiend]

Hay norte love your videos watching them makes my day I thank you for all the hard work and dedication you put into every video

[@MikefromTexas1]

American internment camps were real too. For the Japanese though, not the Chinese.

[@venator-fb7yy]

Sam Walton had a hand in internment camps in some way, can't remember exactly what off handed. Yes this is the same guy that would later create Walmart!💀

[@dindu1613]

That's because we were the bad guys in WW2. That being said, jap interment camps didn't kill 12 million people like our allies in Russia.

[@Clippidyclappidy]

@@venator-fb7yyNow they’re turning old Walmarts into FEMA prisons. Some things never change.

[@ExplosiveFloofBall]

Why is this a better class on the red scare than anything I received in school? (this is a sarcastic question)

[@CatboyLenin]

Cuz the red scare never disapeared the histeria just got diluted the fear of an organized labour movement and revolution persists in multiple aspects of the modern america n society

[@JordanJumpin]

@@CatboyLeninthe red scare is still present but less noticeable as working class solidarity has already basically been obliterated in modern america

[@eatham.]

@@JordanJumpin Rest in peace the working class 😮‍💨

[@djungelskog9581]

It so refreshing when someone actually gets the themes and message of fallout and understands that they've been criticizing America and capitalism this whole time

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

It's a strawman satire of a hyperbolic, exaggerated version of America. Not some sort of meme-form carte blanche to latch onto as proof that the US and capitalism have it wrong whereas command economy authoritarians like the PRC are actually the good guys. The series and its lore also makes it quite clear that corrupt, degenerate interests like the Enclave perverted the US and cynically took advantage of patriotism and nationalism (neither of which is inherently evil) to further their own ends. IRL, document dumps like the Venona Papers and the testimonials of people like Bezmenov all but fully vindicate McCarthy since the KGB actually was cultivating assets and subversives all throughout the West's academic and media landscape. The fact that the "Red Scare" is treated like some sort of great injustice and evil perpetrated by the US and its allies is a shocking indictment of how successful such work has proven to be decades after the "Long March" through the institutions began.

[@jackdeviluke3969]

Lol the commies in fallout aren't any better and prewar neither of the two were good guys

[@probably_hayden]

​@@jackdeviluke3969you do realise you can criticise something without the alternative being perfect, right?

[@metatron803]

@@jackdeviluke3969 yeah like the only possibile alternatives are fucking capitalism or crappy self declared "communist" countries

[@capitcha]

its actually a criticism of both

[@colecoooper3424]

I love the idea of these videos Nice piece of learning real history and also learning about the amazing lore of Fallout

[@inductivegrunt94]

This just shows how must worse the world of Fallout is compared to ours. Internment camps really show how bad the Red Scare was. First the Japanese during WW2, now this. And it only got worse as the decades before the Great War passed by culminating in the Sino-American War and, ultimately, the Great War.

[@CraigSteinhoff]

Great video! Love the ending

[@jackcarroll22]

Just a little correction nothing major. The Irish Republican movement wasn’t caused by the influence of the Russian revolution, rather the opposite. Irish independence movements had been brewing for many decades prior, which eventually cumulated into the 1916 Easter Rising where Irish rebels staged a week long uprising against the British in Dublin and select areas across the island. It was a military failure and the 16 leaders were executed, but it had profound influence on Ireland and abroad. It had an impact on the Russian Revolution.

[@locrpg]

Thanks for making this series! It's so important for folks to not only enjoy games, but learn about life through them as we do any excellent works of art. I appreciate your attention to the real world events that inspired what seems so absurd in the games, but was very much a real thing - and in many ways still is, and will be again if we don't learn better.

[@look_into_it]

Wanna learn about some more interesting and cool world event? Google “Lavon affair” or “Holodomor”

[@jonathanchild7025]

This is a great video. I can tell that you put a lot of work into the video. Definitely cranking my hog to this!👍

[@Megalon-qc8pf]

You see it’s cool because I remember practically all of these things since I think social studies is actually cool in school and pay attention

[@thasn8ke]

Would of been wild to see them tie in the lavender scare too. Haha

[@look_into_it]

There is a significant number of new gay kids and an even bigger number in new trans kids. I’m sure it’s natural and has nothing to do with how real that lavender scare actually is. Childhood sexual trauma is the number 1 reason those weirdos exist.

[@JayStrang1]

One of the many elements of the world that the show nails perfectly. Excellent video.

[@Finn-FrenchGaming]

I enjoyed it. Thank you.

[@drcrowlee]

The problem with reactionary positions against totalitarianism is that they necessarily becomes totalitarian itself. It's effectively an ideological arms race to a total control state, with the only real option being which flavor is preferred, right or left

[@Chronus-gw8en]

I will say J. Edgar Hoover

[@DeneuveYT]

While I detest the many ways in which capitalists have resisted the rise of socialism it is not completely in the realm of overreaction, the “threat” of wider and wider revolutionary change is always very real. Russia was just one of the only success stories of the era but the idea was always a world revolution with a communist international coalition being very popular. Revolutionaries you could also think of like capitalist abolitionists aiming to bring that reform the world over. The “free” world at times became much less free and more often than not openly aggressive because to the power holders in those countries it was a matter of utmost importance and personal survival.

[@naitor2594]

You do realize muslims hate communists right?

[@Aidprimero]

The proletariat will rise and liberation will be had ✊✊

[@ClownWrldUSA]

Crazy how McCarthyism is making a little bit of a comeback but against conservatism instead of socialism. A full 180. But mostly on twitter / X

[@munanchoinc]

It's kinda pathetic how you can compare cancel culture which is informally done by the general public to a literal law in place enforced by government. Especially considering X is owned by a conservative

[@shoutmon1337]

My guy the conservative view is the most influential in American politics rn, what are you talking about. There’s like a dozen giant well funded propaganda outlets that literally run ads here on KZbin. This is just out of touch my man

[@naitor2594]

More like political violence since 50% of the US is conservative

[@the_femboy_gravemind]

why is there a political battleground in the comment section of a fallout video💀💀

[@stargatecommand714]

Because McCarthy was a rancid human being

[@MedicalHazard67]

I'm the 310th liker.

[@ApethGrader]

That's naaaasty! You liked after all those other likes!?

[@BenFrayle]

The John Birch Society was right about everything!

[@rudeboyragga]

They were not and are still wrong to this day.

[@BenFrayle]

@@rudeboyragga Ok Commie

[@rudeboyragga]

@@BenFrayle I'm an anarchist get it right weirdo

[@capitcha]

@@rudeboyraggathats not a flex

[@look_into_it]

This guys fans all seem to be commie goofballs.

[@toytacambery9427]

McCarthy was ahead of his time and it's understandable that people were skeptical. Having said that, Yuri Bezmenov's statements in the 1980's are becoming a reality and in his words "If you're not scared now, nothing can scare you."

[@DisinformationAgent]

You can simply look at the US senate right now to see firsthand what allowing hostile foreign influence does to a democracy.

[@jordanromesburg6819]

McCarthy was ahead of his time? Sounds like you're more facist than patriotic if you mean it :/ McCarthy's accusations of sleeper agents were used to undo union efforts and protests, and gay and closeted citizens of this country were unfairly prosecuted

[@stargatecommand714]

Can't stop us lmao

[@rudeboyragga]

He was wrong though

[@eatham.]

Are you really supporting McCarthy bro? lmao I feel like a lot of people are slowly turning to socialism these days (for decent reasons). I find McCarthyism literally just pure fascism tactics, I do not think he was "ahead of his time"

[@t3hSpAdEs]

McCarthy has been vindicated by history

[@probably_hayden]

how

[@djungelskog9581]

what's it like being that stupid??

[@odinulveson9101]

He and a few other presidents tried their damnest abd brought ruin to what Teddy Roosevelt tried to manifest. And big T wasnt inherintly socialists! He just understood that workers be humans and they deserve a return for their blood, sweatn tears, the rich gets so fat on wealth they dont know wtf they gonna do with it except NOT give back to society which made them able to get filthy rich to begin with. Greed is an addiction a very corrupting drug as with authoritarian leaders with their thirst for power

[@marshaltito7232]

McCarthyism is a flat-out embarrassment to the credibility of American freedom. If anyone is and will be vindicated by history, it's those who fight back against anti leftist hysteria by quasi-fascist weirdos. Freedom for me and not for thee is how freedom dies, and anyone who disagrees with that sentiment doesn't actually believe in the stated values laid out by the Founding Fathers.

[@abdullahtshabal9522]

For such a fervent anti-communist, his grave sure is quite a communal/public urinal

[@MrHathaway1337]

The cardinal flaw of Communism is the irreconcilable contradiction between the “no private property” principle and the need to enforce this principle.

[@probably_hayden]

that's literally not what communism is and this video has nothing to do with the principles of communism is, but i shouldn't expect much out of someone with a troll face profile pic

[@JordanJumpin]

Please read theory or at least what communism is basically advocating for instead of whatever your neoliberal econ professor regurgitated

[@ComradePilas]

Capitalism is no more than 400 years old. We literally live thousands of years without a notion of Private Property.

[@Slop_Dogg]

@@MrHathaway1337 this is nonsense lol

[@jessep5280]

Oh, no.. Norte sounds so depressed... He must've *hated* the Fallout show. 😢