The Isle Design Tier List

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

How many of you wish I stayed away after this video? Also, having played Envirma for a bit, did I really miss much? The game runs really badly lol.

[@xemiii]

I was mainly on BoB, but I got burned out and tried out post update 3 The Isle. It's nice enough, but still very meh. I do like the increased transparency from the devs and most of the creatures' designs, but that's it. This genre makes me depressed.

[@midkil166]

For what it is, beipao porcupine burrower is cursed (same with your comparison of therizonosaurs to giant sloths, why... just why...). Also the "dinosaurs that seem fake" point is literally useless here. This is a game of monsters. Last edit is that, though paleo realism is a good criticism, this isn't saurian. Wanting paleo accuracy is not a reason to put some dinos in F tier, though I understand the "it looks nothing like" or "didnt exist" parts. And I agree anky is a sin. The beipao part really was bad criticism on your part, from its design as a darting swimmer that can slash at things its size, it doesnt look bad to me. And on top of that its original as hell. Same thing with the minmi, barring your paleo accuracy criticism and deinosuchus's existence, its a fairly original design and stands out (who the fuck doesnt love a turtle). Finally, I get being mad about the paradym thing. We all are. Milking it for any reason is no good however, and on top of that nobody wants to see that in a tier list video. Also welcome back, this wasn't the best way to come back at all in my opinion, but welcome back anyways.

[@thelittleal1212]

No, I don’t really care or matter if you leave the isle. Go back to beast of Bermuda 😂

[@i_omqxxjakexx1670]

reject the isle return to BoB/PoT

[@daubeny8071]

​@@midkil166 A duck beipao is just as wack as a burrowing one, it just a burrowing one makes alot more sense going off the animals apperance. "this is a game of monsters" that tries to give its animals character **while still looking like the animals they are based on** aswell as in a realistic manner. Beipao could very well go up a tier, but its still an odd concept that seems to be added on just to make it viable (a few other of the new small herbivores have this problem). Accuracy is not the point its in F tier, its because it doesn't resemble the animal its meant to be, and its niche seems a little out their (i personally dont mind it tbh but the porcupine and/or burrower niche seems alot more interesting and are both options that would make more sense). Minmi would work if the design actually looked like it could swim. Its nostrils point downwards, how is it supposed to breath when it pokes its head out of the water, you can even see its nostrils still submerged in the concept art. Also, turtle ankylosaurs are just a bad concept, they literally couldn't do it. Everything else about it though is perfectly fine, just the aquatic niche is just poorly executed. And.....Milking? are you serious? the fuck is he milking? hes literally just explaining why he left in the first place and why hes coming back, aswell as responding to criticisms he got. If you dont wanna hear it just skip ahead. And again, wtf is he milking by explaining why he was gone from the isle? Anky is a sin though, and should burn as such.

[@heito0]

what I miss on the Isle are niches, each animal playing a role, so small or less protected animals aren't just predator snacks, for example the real magyarosaurus, it didn't need to be big because it lived on an isolated island with small predators, on The Isle there could be a place, a biome, that favors animals like that and gives an interesting gameplay

[@potaterjim]

There's always the possibility of chronologically correct servers, with only species that existed at the same time as each other or in the same ecosystems. It would shrink the variety a bit, but it would be interesting to see how balance gets affected in each little bubble.

[@earth7631]

@@potaterjim it would heavily help the game’s balance because some predators and some herbivores were never ever meant to meet each other resulting in stupidly unfair fights.

[@ElderSwamp]

Yeah, like a little mangrovia root forest where only small sized Animals can ran through 😍 and maybe juvenile deinosuchus. A place where juvenile deinosuchus nest and grow safely before approaching the adult-size cannibalistic areas. And also a rocky cliff Mountain where Herrera and pteros could nest peacefully! ( I Hope if there could be borrowing abilities for Evrima or some cave-tunnel systems.. maybe with some rare mushrooms needed for particular diets and tunnesls so low that only medium sized creatures can pass. 😍)

[@Barix14]

​@@earth7631they are adapted to avoid these fight like cerato is better swimmer that allo to run away from him there is ecosystem balance

[@EndlingsShoes]

thare is one off the cost on the main gateway map

[@potatoeater4838]

“It’s impossible to f$&k up a crocodile” Rickraptor105: hold my Compy

[@reekerman1012]

only thing they fucked up with deino is the fact it gets 3 shot by stego when irl these things folded t rex like a piece of paper but i guess its understandable because they would kill everything in there path and no one could stop them if they did that

[@Texasmule]

@@reekerman1012 still believe Trex should be toe to toe fight...

[@ericford3653]

@@reekerman1012 deino beats stego if u know how to play it right. But in game dieno is nerfed and is considered a psuedo apex while stego is a full apex herbivore.

[@waranontwiwaha9385]

NO!!! Not the Sarco bros from Dino Time again!!!

[@GhaniKeSawah]

@@waranontwiwaha9385 ohhhhh that's who they were referring to yeah no those designs are terrible

[@Kami74159]

"We've saved the worst for last" But Scanova, you already put Magy on the list.

[@cariacuwhitetailbuck9682]

Lol

[@FotoStudios418]

you're not funny.

[@FotoStudios418]

you just kept bullying the magy for so long that it isn't funny anymore

[@cariacuwhitetailbuck9682]

@@FotoStudios418 you mad?

[@FotoStudios418]

@@cariacuwhitetailbuck9682 I'm not, is just that it isn't funny anymore at this point.

[@dtomis1335]

wait... did i just see a tierlist, where the person isnt blindly simping for the devs, and has an actual functioning human brain??? my god you are such a rare species of the isle community.

[@f1p3r40]

fr

[@forgot-to-log-out]

I personally simp only for tapwing. Not even like the isle designer but just like an artist, his monsters are really good

[@rexmexzilla]

@@forgot-to-log-out i think tapwing is a girl.

[@michaelblevins1651]

The old Rex calls were so fucking cool that guttural end at the broadcast was amazing

[@eriops4959]

broadcast, was so fuckin' scary, especially from distance, threaten call used to sound so pissed of and amped up

[@erika.7462]

Each time you heard that broadcast you’ll see a herd running.

[@eriops4959]

it was back when most of servers had altturn on, when rex was an Apex, with it's immense force, it could whipe away a crowd of midtiers, now, when almost no servers pose altturn, rex is basically utah food. I hope it's gonna be powerful in Evrima.

[@littleperson8315]

i havent been around for a lot of isle stuff, could someone link an example of that bc i need to hear that

[@warbossgrimskull6095]

@@eriops4959 Truth is though, those calls are stomping land calls, so the isle team cant use them anymore

[@cgyoboi]

Ok, how do you mess up megalania, you literally just need a Komodo dragon but big, but they made it look like some inbreed hunchback.

[@GreenHillSonic_Roblox]

Unique design Ig. I like it, personally.

[@cgyoboi]

@@GreenHillSonic_Roblox I think they messed it up, but ofc your entitled to your opinion

[@catpoke9557]

Yeah it can plausibly be reconstructed like a komodo dragon but bigger and with different proportions. It's rare an animal is that easy to design

[@camowyvern3836]

I actually dont like it looking like a komodo dragon simply because it would be closer related to modern australian monitor lizards instead of an island locked species like komodos.

[@godzillaking5033]

Troodon gets a pass for existing in my eyes anyway, as honestly I don’t think the information of it being an invalid species is that wide spread, but people developing a game centered around dinosaurs should probably be more thorough in researching. Main save for it I could think of is just making it a member of the Troodontinae family and just say it’s called troodon for short, that or just changing what it’s called all together

[@SomeGuyandHisHerps]

Troodon is still a real taxon, it's just that all material that was assigned to it aside from the first one (a single tooth), was found to be distinct from it. So it's not a made-up animal, just dubious.

[@tyrannapusandfriends6254]

@@SomeGuyandHisHerps very, dubious

[@homiet-rex959]

I honestly feel if they are gonna have troodon they should’ve gave it feathers like what March of the dinosaurs or walking with dinosaurs the movie did. Instead of just copying the jp universe ingen one.

[@tyrannapusandfriends6254]

@@homiet-rex959 i mean, even so, didn't the JP troodon have quills?

[@homiet-rex959]

@@tyrannapusandfriends6254 yes it did in fact have some quills on its head and I think some on its back

[@Bukka0]

the best way to explain evrima spino is crocodile with its hind legs stretched

[@Mahamba]

no

[@stefanpestritu2308]

More like kaiju spino that wants to be a crocodile

[@McChicken03]

Yes! Thank you! It looks like a sucho body, Crocodile face and a sail slapped on the back. PoT has a more accurate spino than the Isle. And I love the isle!

[@austinjeskey5423]

@@McChicken03 I don't think the isle was going for accuracy for this spino concept, just saying

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Clearly the new spino is (like the new giga and elder rex models) specifically designed to look closer to the hyper strains. I love tadpole spino but it just clashes with the hyper concept too much to fit the game...

[@v.i.pflame7607]

I like how Megalania's face is just Kevin from Ed, Edd, n Eddy. Straight up has a shovel chin.

[@JohnBohane]

Smaug

[@someguynamedowen9944]

Dollar store Smaug

[@catpoke9557]

Never thought I'd see a lizard being compared to Ed, Edd, n Eddy

[@karenboy1005]

The saddest part about the paradym event is that every toxic troll can use it as a weapon against people who just wanna play the game. Whever I see people saying anything positive about the game, even if it's the slightest bit of positivity, there's bound to be at least one or 2 virtue signalling morons saying shit like "don't forget that the game is made by pedos" or accusing someone of supporting pedos for the simple fact of liking something that has nothing to do with the incident. It's just trash.

[@dilettante527]

phax.

[@RubyCarrots3232]

Those people don't care about morality, they just want to look good.

[@antoniocanis6883]

Ignore stupid People my brother this game is a masterpiece

[@rexmexzilla]

What i dont like os how they drag the whole dev team as peds, yes even the artists were dragged and labeled.

[@beastmaster0934]

@@rexmexzilla Yeah, even though some of the team may be assholes (Dondi and Kissen chief among them).

[@CrabKFP]

Another idea for Compsoghnathus, give them feathers EXCEPT in the area of the head, like most vultures

[@catpoke9557]

I like velociraptor reconstructions like that. Makes it feel like a really deserty animal

[@DINO_X65]

the time of the titans theme subtly playing in the background, chef's kiss

[@unluckychucky3979]

How can they mess up the face of a monitor lizard that badly? I’ve seen fictional creatures that look more monitor lizard than the monitor lizard.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

Because EdGY

[@beastmaster0934]

Cause they wanted it to look like Smaug from The Hobbit.

[@unluckychucky3979]

BeastMaster09 I feel like Smaug looks more monitor lizard than the isle’s Megalania

[@rjhamler5324]

I see kinda what they did cause did megolania look 100% like a big monitor lizard who knows look at bigger species compared to smaller vaireants it's dezine is a bit beefier than a monitor lizard and to be honest komodo dragon dosent look 100% like a monitor lizard so I can see that in megolania so the dezine is meh to me.

[@wiili22]

because it looks awseome lol

[@i_omqxxjakexx1670]

Utahraptor is just straight up JP

[@umcaraqualquer9555]

@Bren Hanks yes, it is. It even has the same sounds

[@waranontwiwaha9385]

I miss old Utah model... And that one wasn't even that good to begin with.

[@firegator6853]

@Bren Hanks it's exactly the same...the only difference is that the hands face each other unlike the jp raptor that face downwards

[@Misto_deVito6009]

it's getting changed now

[@twomato8902]

Cool idea I had for the Galli, make it be able to change how it looks depending on its calls. If you hold 3 call for a few seconds you put your head down and stretch your arms out to the side to be more intimidating, AND you can run while looking like that.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

1:28 why was the beasts of Bermuda poster make it look like a furry game? I think it's suppose to look like a feathery raptor but it looks more like an edgylord's wolf fursona.

[@gwit4051]

edgelord raptor fursona

[@Gmh-]

@@gwit4051 lmao 😂

[@spacetacos7574]

It does Why is the head so broad it’s a raptor not a dog

[@Texasmule]

Edgelords bro

[@nmheath03]

The sad part about the "imagine if someone screwed up a frog's animations" bit is The Isle _did_ screw up the frog's walk animation. It walks like a human in a crouched pose rather than the 'military crawl' method they actually walk in Edit: it's idle animation also shows it's shoulders rising and falling implying it's breathing like a mammal, and not by rapidly inflating and deflating the throat like an actual frog

[@bigchungus6853]

the return of the king btw yes velo, taco, and oro will be in evrima. Specifically the devs had taken interest in the popular spider monkey/lemur oro niche from the community. also in a devlog they did update alberto's model slightly and it looks better. They gave it a bit of a longer neck.

[@d-booya5089]

Good cause I like being useless in legacy and rather continue doing so in evrima

[@saurianfan7102]

Y'know, I have nothing against the Magy design as a sauropod concept, the massive dewlap is interesting and something I can get behind if done right, but why the f*ck did they choose Magyarosaurus specifically!? The huge dewlap and "small but tough" sauropod design would easily work for something else! BAJADASAURUS! Or some other type of Dicraeosaurid like Amargasaurus. If you're gonna have a small sauropod don't make it absolutely defenseless!

[@ericford3653]

I'm guessing they just wanted to be built different, I'm not against fictionalizing an animal to make it viable and the design in my opinion is actually pretty rad. And while it couldn't run like that in life this isnt a 100% realistic game, to me it doesn't look stupid while running like others say but I understand the hate towards the inaccuracy. I personally wouldn't mind magy + amarga being added as amarga is actually my fav sauropod. Magy won't be defenceless in this game, it will be able to take on what it cant run from and can run from what it cant take on. If I were the one balancing I'd give magy higher bleed resistance and up its defence, make it a bit slower than allo but can outstam it. From the concept art it seems it'll be able to knock down dinosaurs of around its size possibly granting it time to escape if needed.

[@saurianfan7102]

@@ericford3653 The thing is, being an island dwarf is what makes Magyarosaurus unique! It would not be able to compete with land creatures on a fundamental level! A lot of people don't understand just how tiny it is! It's smaller than a giraffe! Compare that to a Carno or an Allo for example and you'll see the problem real quick. And if they try to balance it to make it viable by slapping a ton of features on it (some of which make no sense) then it isn't really Magyarosaurus anymore. But that's just my take on it.

[@ericford3653]

@@saurianfan7102 "how Tiny it is" I was aware it was rather small being a similar size to cerato. However I wasn't aware of how big allo was. From my thoughts allo would've been a similar size to cerato being slightly bigger. I knew it was smaller than a giraffe, so is allo and cerato but I wasn't aware of the weight desparity allo has 1 ton on magy and is about 1 meter taller. Magy should be able to handle carno in a fight just like cerato (cerato should have a far stronger bite than carno) Which is why I thought allo wasn't such a big deal, all 3 are mid tiers carno was speedy but had a weaker bite, cersto will be slower and have a strong bite force. And my ignorant self thought allo would be a balance between them but damn it looks like allo would shit on cerato or carno (though carno could run) In the concept art it shows a cerato using water to escape an allo, that would also be useful for magy to take advantage of. "Slapping a ton of features" Honestly the bad taste from being eating wouldn't help it in an actual fight however I like that somewhat. The only feature that's useful would be the speed of magy, which I agree would raise questions though I know sauropods weren't lazy slow creatures but they aren't speed demons either. Your take opened my eyes abit, the only way to balance it appears to either be speed increase/outstam (from a certain distance allo wouldn't be able to catch you before it runs out of stam) which would require you to be alert of your surroundings. Along with the implementation with that reverse slam attack which dropped the cerato which would give some time to cause distance. But I dont see amarga or baja fairing any better against that. I've been sleeping on allo 😂

[@saurianfan7102]

@@ericford3653 That's fair.

[@ericford3653]

@@saurianfan7102 what's your most anticipated dino for the isle, mine is dilo.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

I'm glad that the Allosaurus is an S tier. I will wait to see your further opinions on the Isle.

[@Texasmule]

A

[@firegator6853]

allosaurus is just a god...not only it actually looks like allosaurus but we can even say it's legit 100% realistic and accurate

[@Texasmule]

@@firegator6853 behold, the dilo dog

[@GhaniKeSawah]

@@Texasmule the most accurate and realistic out of all of them

[@Texasmule]

@@GhaniKeSawah yes

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Me, whose fave dinosaur in the Isle is Herrerasaurus: happy noises.

[@oben6853]

Saaame herra and cera are my favorite Wow I need to make a book out of that Herra and cera Ignoring the fact that I usually call them Herrera and cerato

[@FotoStudios418]

me who favorite the isle dino is the magy: *sad noises*

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@FotoStudios418 While I do like the imaginative design of the Magyarosaurus, it really shouldn't be in the Isle. Insular Dwarfism isn't a positive trait in an environment with full-sized predators, especially when they have to give it impossible skills like outrunning an Allo or poisonous flesh that most predators can't eat just to compensate. I can understand them wanting a mid-sized herbivore that wasn't just another Ornithischian, but there were better choices than an inbred sauropod dwarf.

[@theangrysuchomimus5163]

I’m surprised the JP ripoff that is spino wasn’t mentioned because unlike the concept art which gives it Godzilla vibes, the current model has very similar proportions to the JP spino. And while the Legacy spoon didn’t look all that much appealing, it had at least some accuracy on it’s side. Anyway I just hope they make it looks like the concept art.

[@michaelblevins1651]

The Legacy spino is just as If not less accurate then the new spino Edit:the sail is horribly made on the current spino and has no clear separation which is what new spino had also new spino doesn't have a perfect half circle which is accurate

[@alexandrudorries3307]

To be fair, Scanova did say that the new model is still better than the legacy one. Floppy pool noodle.

[@timebrain3188]

It... doesn't have JP proportions though? Like, yeah, the legs are longer than it might've had in life, but JP Spino had LOOOOOONG legs, comparable to the Rex.

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

28:55 as someone who was out of The Isle loop, I was *NOT* prepared for that. It literally looks like the Megalania have been inbreeding for thousands of years as you said.

[@TheSolDrake]

Good thing the devs confirmed that Austroraptors redesign is being changed.

[@RaptorJay]

It was?

[@captflameskulll]

Personally, I've always thought that the new spino & new giga looked more like the magna strains of those animals than the baseline version of the animals

[@DINO_X65]

yeah, they really messed up the giga, why, just why, giga evrima version would be in d tier for me, the only redeeming quality, it is somewhat accurate, but the legacy version was even more accurate, why isle, why

[@JurassicJustice]

If they actually were like Magna strains or something they’d be forgivable, but they’re not, and therefore I find absolutely horrendous, Spino in particular.

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Dynamic growth + Hyper strains. That’s why the new models are like this.

[@JurassicJustice]

The Hypers are their own completely separate creatures and it doesn’t make sense when the Giga and Spino look like this when the Rex and Carno don’t have features that would hint to them being linked to their Strain counterparts. And dynamic growth applies to creatures without strain lineages so you can’t really explain that as to why the Giga and Spino look the way they do either.

[@reekerman1012]

@@JurassicJustice i just want them to look cool bruh i dont care about realism if the wading model spino is what we get, i dont want a 50 foot heron

[@lightningchaserart]

Ok ngl your aquatic ankylosaur comments at 27:10 make me chuckle quite a bit. The no nonsense delivery is just perfect.

[@Skyypixelgamer]

Anky hippo when

[@Skyypixelgamer]

@Ghassan Putrayurri kinda

[@spinoguy3555]

I have to agree with you, as much as I love the Spino design from Evrima, the design is kinda overexaggerated and the original concept art of the design is much better.

[@user-mp8wy8lp4y]

I honestly would prefer if the current ervima spino design was utilitezed as it's magna strain or something

[@oben6853]

The evrima spino looks so badass but I feel like it doesn’t fit the style of the isle. It reminds me of that one spinosaurus from Jurassic the hunted I think it was called

[@catpoke9557]

Didn't I see you commenting on Giirator's channel?

[@Natsu_Tempest22]

I never thought he would come back, sconva is underrated

[@thepetiii184]

Put the Utah in F it's literally just the Jp Velociraptor

[@iagonax2158]

Ye

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@iagonax2158 Make a F- just for the Utah

[@iagonax2158]

@@thenerdbeast7375 ... F?

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@iagonax2158 Deserves to go beyond F, as it is the biggest sin of the game.

[@saturn9536]

@@thenerdbeast7375 someone lost a dino to a utah pack

[@knaltor]

I fail to understand your reasoning for the Pteranodon. It may be far from perfect but it definitely isn't a dumpsterfire either. The wingshape isn't nearly as bad as you make out to be here and sits within the range of what could be considered plausible. Sure the running takeoff is a bit ridiculus but I think it serves a valid gameplay function of providing a less stamina intensive yet slower method of gaining flight. Personally I would place it in C tier, as I see it as an adequate design with a few issues that can be overlooked when squinting a little.

[@Arcticwish]

Anky and austro were my mains before I quit The Isle, rest in piece old designs

[@scanther8301]

Now that I think about it amargasaurus or Bajadasaurus would have be a much better choice than magyarosaurus, not only are they still small for a sauropod but they has actual defences that would assist it in protecting itself against larger predators (the giant impale-a-man spikes on their necks) instead of just shoulder checking like in the concept art

[@swarmreturns]

Honestly I think the pteranodon looks great even though it’s a bit unrealistic, but yeah they really need to fix the takeoff.

[@gregorymckenzie7511]

The skimming thing throws me off too. There's a reason that only 3 bird species skim. It just ain't safe; especially if you are a large flyer. Divebombing feels more appropriate.

[@ToxicMonkey705]

I understand that with hypsi the feathers can be a bit distracting and its understandable to question why this animal received the heavy feather treatment, but it makes sense. Its believed that dinosaurs courted mates in similar fashions to birds, and I think hypsi is the Isles version of a peacock. Sexual dimorphism is a big part of the games upcoming designs and I appreciate the realism they are taking with it. The male hypsi is an outlandish design, but its grounded in the concept of courting mates. I can see why the developers went this route with the hypsi, as they wanted to highlight its dimorphism through the extravagant structures and bright colors it has. The skin system will add a lot of flavor to brightly colored male animals like the hypsi.

[@firegator6853]

yes but it's weird how an animal that it's feathers are pure speculation got them but ones that 100% had them like velociraptor, gallimimus, velociraptor etc. don't...it feels empty and weird especially to the dromaeosaurs...austroraptor is feathered, utah and velo are scaly, tell me isn't that so obviously different and weird? this is like they come from different games, utah jurassic park rip off, velo good shape but no feathers and austro something on it's own with feathers while all of them are legit the SAME group of dinosaurs

[@catpoke9557]

The inaccurate part about hypsi isn't actually that the feathers are extravagant, but that they look very bird-like. Dinosaurs evolved fairly complex feathers a few times. But only in the coeleurosaurs did we see pennaceous feathers appear, which seems to be what hypsi has. Pair this with the fact that dinosaurs which we KNOW had pennaceous feathers lack them, and it makes it weirdly inconsistent. But I guess it just means they do whatever they think looks coolest.

[@thelittleal1212]

Can’t we just have a Dilophosaurus that is capable of taking down bigger dinosaurs as it should be?!

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Apato, brachi, and cama won’t be added anytime soon Edit: also that should really be an apex role, a bunch of dilos taking down an adult sauropod is stupid unless it’s a dwarf like magy

[@thelittleal1212]

@@alexandrudorries3307 I meant, that It could take down a Dinosaur in a specific size, because we for a fact, despite its looks, it’s capable to take down dinosaurs in the size close to Plateosaurus. So it would be better if the Dilo could take down a Edmonto or a bit smaller herbivor like tenontosaurus, would make more sense then making it a JP ripoff

[@xenonsword4304]

@@thelittleal1212 i mean in the concept art it is taking on a stego and it doesnt look like the JP dilo at all although it has got venom which is more fictionalised.

[@thelittleal1212]

@@xenonsword4304 it is cool that I can take down bigger creatures, but because of most of its stats and the poison ability, It’s like peaple always forget that the Dilo was an apex predator at its time.

[@theacro3472]

@@thelittleal1212 wait what dilo taking on edmontosaurus. Edmontosaurus is 43 feet with max estimates putting in it at 47 feet

[@Evergreen_Wizard]

As a very pedantic person I remember for the longest time resisting to play the isle in the beginning because of the JP naked raptors. Now I just pretend that this is not a real utahraptor but a giant mutated monitor lizard.

[@meettheinmans7175]

@@theanzugod4828 Pretty much any dinosaur could be described as “Giant mutated monitor lizard” though

[@crabhater9373]

I'm not trying to defend the isle, but in my opinion having dinosaurs similar to dinosaurs in JP is not really a problem. In my opinion it is positive, because JP was a great franchise that likely sparked the love of dinosaurs in most fans, and most of us probably want a JP styled game. Yes it's not realistic, but it's realistic enough for me to suspend my disbelief. Also you expressed concerns about inconsistencies with feathers in dinos, and I have heard that just about all of the dinos will be getting an optional feathered model.

[@ghostspore3163]

Yeah I think calling them ripoffs of JP is a little much, its pretty well known that Dondi is a diehad JP fan, seems more like paying homage. When he used to stream a lot he'd literally say he's making the JP game he always wanted and we were just along for the ride. The old sound guy Dinosauriac was literally using some of the same stock animal sounds as the JP franchise to make them similar purposefully. I'm not really into JP, but I recognize it as nostalgic and to my generation raptors bork like sandhill cranes

[@stevenriess5813]

i do disagree with many of your points but i like hearing what other people have to say so i dont mind.

[@change.mp4]

i disagree with the part of him saying troodon doesn't exist, it has its own taxon its just there is no complete reconstruction of it yet

[@change.mp4]

@Krystian Zięba I guess we're gonna have to wait until science gets improved

[@Nick-co5sj]

I think he should just get a life because clearly all hes doing is being a hater and a critic and a annoying at that

[@Misto_deVito6009]

personally I love the mega's look, aside from it's goofy grin, having just a giant komodo dragon is I guess fine but making it look different makes me like it more.

[@indorfan]

@@Nick-co5sj you play the isle and you're complaining that someone else has no life?

[@Ticklicous]

Honestly the realism excuse doesn't even hold up anymore. Isle has started saying as of late that they now suddenly don't care for total realism, and making that the "reason" why they make such vast changes and silly things. But at this rate I've just lost track anymore. They've been all over the place with stuff they say.

[@ericford3653]

Because complete Realism would kill the game. For me so long as the creatures look realistic I dont care about anything else because this is a game where balance takes priority over realism.

[@firegator6853]

@@ericford3653 realistic and some of them way different than what they really were...and don't say the "it's not aiming for accuracy" because even if it doesn't creatures like beipiaosaurus are so different from the real animal they mostly are a made up species in appearance that never existed

[@ericford3653]

@@firegator6853 the lore of the isle is that the dinos were engineered. Meaning they dont have to look accurate. Beipi takes design liberation and has a niche that fits the island it's on. Carno wouldn't ram other dinos, stage couldn't swing its tail in a jab like motion, etc. Etc. Cry more m8, this is a game and the dinos dont have to look accurate, it's not an entirely different creature, it plays like an entirely different creature. Rex in the isle can run, while irl it would've trotted at high speeds. Realistic as in they look like they could be a creature, not accurate. Engineered dinos. That's why spino looks nothing like the real one.

[@thereptiliandemon1285]

You never realise how dangerous a tenonto is until your deinosuchus gets kurbstomped by a herd of them

[@johngrace1312]

Here’s hoping Quetz fulfills a flying predator Giraffe role like it’s believed to have been in life

[@Gmh-]

So wait , it’s about creatures that were in the game or creature that have concepts and not old models , because the other 5 which are confirmed, apatosaurus, Rugops , plateosaurus , styracosaurus , pachyrhinosaurus, have models , and the rugops model won’t probably change

[@oben6853]

And carcharodontosaurus :,) one of my favorite dinosaurs

[@tonytong580]

I liked the "the most extreme" background music you put in the creature design segment.

[@hamishstewart5324]

Honestly, I think a big problem with some of the d-f tier designs is the fact that they are dinosaurs. As fictional creatures I think they would work quite well, but because they are supposed to be dinosaurs which already have established appearances they fall flat.

[@ethanpena2030]

They literally look like dinosaurs :/ Just inaccurate

[@carrott36]

@@ethanpena2030They are reminiscent of dinosaurs. That doesn’t make them dinosaurs.

[@coolhorselover234]

The Utah needs feathers and the Spino needs that unique tail feature. I hate seeing Utahraptor getting overshadowed by Jurassic Park's abomination, and I've dreamed of a feather-crested eagle Utahraptor in a dinosaur game for ages.

[@alexandrudorries3307]

I’m gonna have to say this again because people just don’t seem to realize that the new, plated model is meant to smoothly segway into the hypo version.

[@ethanpena2030]

Jurassic park's raptors you mean :/

[@TheOneTruePesky]

6:45 GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[@suchomimustenerensis]

Amogus sussy baka

[@bluesteno64]

This was absolutely fantastic- I’m so glad you showed a feathered Rex for the accurate example. Also the whole Dromeosaurids being plucked also makes me so mad. Next off, they could’ve changed “Troodon” to Stenonychosaurus like in PoT. (Yes I know my name is Troodon- I’m planning on changing it) finally I really like all of the alternative ways the playstyles for such creatures could be changed to!

[@legendarygoji9621]

>feathered rex >"accurate" Thanks for the heads up that I can safely disregard and write off any opinion made in this video :)

[@carrott36]

@@legendarygoji9621Somewhat feathered rexes are not at all out the window.

[@legendarygoji9621]

@@carrott36 They are almost entirely out of the window, we have so many skin graphs showing scaly skin that the only "feathers" that could possibly be present on it were peach fuzz.-esque.

[@carrott36]

@@legendarygoji9621 Feathers could have been present in other places, and I agree that it was most likely fuzz-like.

[@catpoke9557]

​@@legendarygoji9621Sparse feathering is actually considered neither accurate nor inaccurate for every scaly dinosaur. Basically it's a god of the gaps speculative thing. It's not impossible for every dinosaur ever to have had feathers in some parts of its body, especially if they're tiny, so artists are free to make that decision whenever they like and it will technically never be inaccurate. Kinda like colors on dinosaurs I guess. Most dinosaurs have unknown colors so you just have to pick one. Someone could argue that plain brown or gray is most likely in most dinosaurs so you should always reconstruct them that way. But obviously this would just lead to poor and uninspired design, so people pick colors with a bit of speculation and a bit of science. To sparsely feather a dinosaur or to fully scale it is basically the same thing. You pretty much have to decide if you think scales would replace feathers when evolving, OR if you think small feathers would stay behind, like in the case of the fur in almost all mammals. Personally I think scales replace feathers rather than scales being added and the feathers shrinking, so I think most predominantly scaly dinosaurs had no feathers at all. But I can't really know for sure so I don't care when I see reconstructions to the contrary. What I do hate is people reconstructing specifically tyrannosaurids with sparse feathers and every other scaly dinosaur with JUST scales. Be consistent!

[@Sarah_H]

Gonna have to disagree with deinosuchus' placement for "design consistency" reasons. It is just a photorealistic modern-day alligator sized up and stuck into a game alongside much more imaginative/outlandish dinosaur designs (which is fucking BONKERS to me because....megalania? Is a stylized version of an extant reptile just like deinosuchus?? And look how absolutely not-like-a-monitor-lizard that thing looks????). PoT's sarco at least LOOKS like it belongs with the rest of the roster. Deinosuchus looks like it was brought to The Isle from the mainland and given growth hormones I think part of the issue is having two different artists with VASTLY different art styles tackling designs. Fred's art has ALWAYS had that more realistic and grounded-in-reality slant, it looks like the dino depictions we see in paleontological papers (fuck man, he's even done art for Wikipedia). Tapwing's art is swooshy and lithe and fantastical and heavily stylized WHILE still being believable, so it's no fucking wonder the Fred designs look so different in her concept arts Also ~2017-2018 rex and utah calls were the best calls for those dinos and both dinos were made worse with the later edits that made them sound just like their JP counterparts

[@Eggnog88]

Such a great video, love that you used Saurian music too. Pretty much explains what ended isle for me.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

The Megalania looks like it took inspiration from Ora the Komodo Dragon from the Lion Guard. Also funnily enough despite all the venomous dino concepts, no mention of the actual venomous animal having venom.

[@stefanpestritu2308]

Finally someone gets it. The isle team really likes sometimes to make creatures that make no sense.

[@dutchieey]

Megalania was confirmed to have venom a while ago

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@dutchieey You mean ingame? Because I am aware that the real Megalania was venomous.

[@dutchieey]

@@thenerdbeast7375 its not in game yet but yes, a while ago I believe in a dev blog megalania was confirmed to be the 3rd venomous creature, alongside dilo and troodon.

[@gwit4051]

that's like saying quetz hasn't been confirmed to fly, some things just don't need explicit mention

[@demomantf2986]

I've never been more disappointed than when the megalania was revealed

[@KJ-kn8pg]

32:16 By many paleontologists Troodon formosus is STILL valid. Hopefully sooner or later more skeletons will be found, so that can the Taxon problem will be resolved. But saying that Troodon doesn't exist is far from true. Overall some of your points were pretty much objective which i highly appreciate , but there are many subjective ones as well, like bringing up accuracy and then mixing it up with your preference, like the Giga. Also a nit pick , searched beipiasaurus and from other pics and wiki Beipiasaurus compared to a Human, it really was quite similar to the Isle one, the main difference is the amount of feathers you put on the model, which really isn't a big deal since there is a lot of controversy about how did his feathers looked like. Anyhow, a decent video enjoyed it nonetheless...

[@lemonad836]

Tbh i would love the Gallimimus if it looked and sounded like the Arkansaurus from Life in our Planet.

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

24:40 I agree here, like Dondi ok we get it you like Jurassic park but can you stop trying so hard to make different dinosaurs just a discount version of what we saw in that franchise? It’s boring and unimaginative, the “”utah”” is the epitome of this. You might as well call if something else because it is NO WAY looks like a utahraptor (which has a much more interesting morphology). The Spinosaurus is pretty garbage too, it’s one of the most unique dinosaurs known to man and they made it so.....generic looking, what’s the point? 32:05 Good point. It makes no sense that Deinocheirus, Therizinosaurus, oviraptor and Beipasaurus have a naturalistic looking coat of feathers but gallimimus, “troodon” and Compsognathus dont....especially Galli. They stick out like a sore thumb and just demonstrate how much you’re trying to execute “Jurassic world 2 electric boogaloo” STOP DOING IT.

[@Wink-mt8cq]

The way you talk about the issues of the game itself, as well as its developers in a mature and balanced tone is fantastic and nearly impossible to find nowadays anywhere, thank you for continuing. (at least for now!)

[@josephida8390]

Dunno if they decide to add the Velociraptor but I want these to be implemented (For the laughs) the Velociraptor will have: The smallest hitbox The ability to find shelter, basically anywhere The best invader of burrows The ability to climb any surface Extreme jump height A pounce that can literally bring it half way across the map The tightest turning circle Near immunity to fall damage Near immunity to injury damage The ability to threaten entire herds of herbivores by itself and being able to solo Rexes and Acros. Seriously what am I typing???

[@gwit4051]

beasts of bermuda

[@Gmh-]

It’s gonna be added , and seeing how fun subadult Utah is I’m kinda hyped since velo is gonna be one of the most fun dinosaurs

[@suchomimustenerensis]

Basically the original Beasts of Bermuda Velociraptor Edit:A WARRIORS FAN!

[@destroymennardshippers1701]

Ah, so Beasts of Bermuda..

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

26:55 "This boi can literally do everything. It can burrow, it can defend, it can swim?? why is it so generalized?" Wait till he discovers snapping turtles (and freshwater turtles in general)

[@xemiii]

11:09 isn't the current Isle allo a Fred Wierum allo? I might be wrong, but I thought I remember hearing he made it.

[@lati7516]

He works for them so of course he made it

[@xemiii]

@@lati7516 okay thought so makes sense that Mr.Allosaurus can do a good allo

[@liamflanagin7134]

you: I don't like the mammalian design on the anky my nodosaurus design based on tapiers: sweats profusly

[@MysteryDryo]

I expected Ptera to be in S or A tier but f*ck I was wrong. Also good that Brachi and Camara are in A tier

[@ZombieChicken1310]

I actually really love the Beipiaosaurus design and gameplay mechanics, i just think that it would have been better if instead of Beipi they would have used other dinosaur, like Halszkaraptor. And i know it would have been very similar to the Austroraptor as another swimming Dromaeosaurid, but Austro is heron-like, meanwhile Halszka is diving and penguin or goose/duck-like.

[@adamgrogory]

I didn't know that was the title of Anthomnia's video about the situation. Really troubling to see. Lots of people in the comment section seem to have gotten the same bad taste about it though, so I that's good.

[@ericford3653]

It would be cancel culture if people stopped playing because of a disgusting perv who got kicked however I dont think this was an example of such as some members of the team dismissed it as nonsense without doing an investigation, that part is what would make me upset and why I dont believe it was cancel culture. Cancel culture is like when goya foods complimented president Trump and idiots boycotted the franchise (which backfired because of reverse cancel culture)

[@Skyypixelgamer]

15:55 another thing about tent is it’s face to me looks really similar to a donkey if a donkey was made into a reptile I mean which really gives away it’s personality

[@Jpipooly]

Anytime “viability” is brought up, I just cringe. These animals lived long before humanity and did so for millions of years - the designs clearly did something right. If that design doesn’t gel with the gameplay, do as was said at the start, and find a new animal for the game

[@bluefinmanta5373]

Not to mention the Pteranodon commits the crime of being a *skim-feeding* pterosaur. 26:40 This is an issue I have with some of the dinosaur picks for certain other games. Unless your paleo-media is set in a specific ecosystem; when just about every part of your would-be inclusion needs to be based off another creature with a better fossil record, you should probably cut the middleman and go with the more completely-known creature, regardless of if it's the more obscure name or vice versa.

[@scorpiopede]

Fantastic list, really breaks down the biggest problems this game's dinosaurs designs have, ESPECIALLY for those in F tier. For the most part I do agree with the list, my only issues personally are with Quetz and Herrera. I wouldn't put them so low as D and certainly not F, but I do think they have some issues that would keep them from S tier. Quetz I can see in A/B depending on its animations as you said, but Herrera I just do not like. I think the design compliments its gameplay style and that is fine, but I don't see that working for Herrerasaurus, there are a number of other theropods that concept could have worked for, it just feels like too much of a departure from the real animal just to make it fit the lifestyle they wanted, it's more comparable to your complaints with Beipiao in that regards. But besides that, great video. Hoping you don't regret returning to the Isle and that the game keeps improving over time, goodness knows it needs to.

[@indorfan]

What other theropods would have fit better? I'm legit curious

[@scorpiopede]

@@indorfan Only ones I can think of are dromeosaurs where you could speculate them running up trees and then pouncing on prey from above. It's more speculative than what we know, but it's at least plausible among dromeosaurs unlike with Herrerasaurus where it was a complete fabrication. I should also specify this only really works with feathered dromeosaurs, scaly raptors would run into the same problem as the Herrerasaurus in this case. So I think Deinonychus would have been the safest bet.

[@indorfan]

@@scorpiopede I think they chose Herrera because it was in legacy and wanted to differentiate it

[@scorpiopede]

@@indorfan Then that just adds to how poorly thought out the roster is.

[@indorfan]

@@scorpiopede yeah lol, I do like it's playstyle tbh and its interesting even despite the flaws The real question is why does monolophosaurus exist

[@XMFStudios]

For the Beipiaosaurus they should have just used an animal like Halszkaraptor, for Beipiaosaurus it would be like a smaller, fast stego that has a porcupine playstyle, that'd be great

[@fang609]

Man you where not joking when you said you where going to be ruthless with some of these,and honestly I agree with alot of your reasonings and how you ranked some of these designs,tho theres some exeptions GOUGH Quetz GOUGH but yeah. Also as for the bit in the start I belive your fully justified in wanting to leave the comunnity after what happend.

[@colderatom1833]

When I saw the new design for the Alberta source I just felt genuinely upset, they took a beautiful looking dinosaur from the first game and turned it into some kind of Jurassic park, freakshow, kaiju.

[@thelittleal1212]

Yeah I also love the tenontosaurus it’s design and features wenn it came out. I even made a stopmotion video about the tenontosaurus a few months ago

[@giganelathemutantgiga2874]

When I saw the new design for herrarasaurus i thought it was a hypo dilophasaurus I didn’t even know that there was SO much new dinosaurs and remodel’s in the isle

[@froggyweathers9257]

This is the most emotion I've seen you emit

[@iagonax2158]

Haha, yeah

[@creakingskull7008]

"Dondi has been relegated to the background" Ok i'm interested in this game now

[@13thmistral]

the acro i always found weird in the isle, the theri...honestly...is just...was just fine as it is, the alberto just needs a more slender body build and i just hope they reuse the old giga design. The rest i pretty much agree with, even though some points i never actually considered.

[@CristianoRC]

For me The Isle's Spinosaurus is to Spinosaurus what FK's Baryonyx is to Baryonyx. A crocodile made bipedal by shoving theropod legs into it, then they put a fin to lightly trie to imitate a Spinosaurid. Even JP3's animal more closely resembles a Spinosaurus (and it was made in 2001). I just can't seem to like this Spinosaurus at all. The real animal is so unique, it's sad to see it turned into this.

[@Noctazar]

Missed your insightful videos, Scanova.

[@gendygoblin8391]

I personally find the Rex roar to be pretty unique. Sort of sounds like a pitched up JP roar but not too much for me.

[@throwaway7440]

I listened to the entire video, I didn't want to be one of those people that blindly agree with everything because it's their favorite KZbinr or something. But I'll be honest, from the design critique to overall just comparing dinosaurs I have to agree with everything you said here. And the thing I agree with the most is the Utahraptor. From the moment they introduced it to Evrima I hated it. It's baby-juvi run animations are awful, it's eating animation, and it's calls are just cat hisses. In my opinion, this is the worst dinosaur the Isle has so far. I'll be surprised if they manage to do worse with Magy.

[@teacup4502]

For me it's the carno atm, it feels to much like just playing a Utah thats bloated up. They arched the carnos neck to high just like the Utah so it stands like a chicken.. it needs to be straight like a board, carnos heads should be lower/even with their spine and they need to feel heavier.. imo

[@alexandrudorries3307]

I respect your right to have an opinion!

[@ericford3653]

Magy looks far more amazing than it did irl, I like the speculative design they took with it. As for utah I know some dont like it naked but I do and it's great that it's gonna be a choice in the future, I personally dont care whether they are feathered or not, for me the playstyle is what matters most.

[@Luceat_]

@@teacup4502 but literally carno and any theropod could arch their neck like that, it literally is in the fossil record and studies on their neck articulations lol.

[@nutto5950]

The original Tyrannosaurus roar for The Isle was so iconic for me, I don’t really understand why it was changed. 😔

[@thelittleal1212]

From all the abilities you give to an Ankylosaurid: swimming? Well they could swim, but definitely not dive like a Hippo 🦛, Ankys are one of the worst swimmers, because we know that in some cases, they will flip upside down and die But who knows, maybe there are good anky swimmers, but from all of them we can agree, Minmi is not a good choice for a swimmer.

[@arandomguy656]

« I am talking about dinosaurs being realistic, not accurate. » « They don’t look like the original dinosaurs ! »

[@arandomguy656]

Not that it is a bad video, while I disagree on many points, it is still just a game and I also laughed a lot. And what happened with punchpacket ?

[@iagonax2158]

Well, there goes my idea of rating the dinosaur models accuracy in Evrima. Anyway I'm sure this video will be great, I think you are the most appropiate person to do one of these 👍 (Also glad you're back)

[@BussTyrone]

Not gonna lie, clicking this video I wasn't expecting an 8 minute long rant

[@RoulicisThe]

Jurassic Park was made with the best knowledge available at the current time about dinosaurs, book and movie alike. Jurassic World has no excuse ^^

[@user-mp8wy8lp4y]

I mean, jw was technically a continuation of JP. But I too wish the velociraptors in the movie had some feathers. But I would have preferred a blend of accuracy and innacuracy.

[@gwit4051]

they have the excuse of being a direct sequel of the Jurassic park movies

[@RoulicisThe]

@@gwit4051 Which is no excuse at all^^

[@suchomimustenerensis]

we knew about feathered dinosaurs long before the JP movies aired, and even then it's not supposed to be accurate :>

[@Kami74159]

@@RoulicisThe Not only is it a perfectly valid excuse, there would've been a massive problem if every dinosaur suddenly changed to be realistic. Leave the more realistic designs for newcomers, but the OGs absolutely must stay as is.

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

12:24 have to ask, what’s wrong with the sarco design in PoT

[@FireTurkey]

HOW DARE THOU SLANDER THE MURDER PENGUIN Edit: I instantly take this back and want a African Porcupine bepi.

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Kentrosaurus: “So what am I? Chopped liver?”

[@LaArtist322]

"...aquatic ankylosaurus are cursed, they f-cking sink. Stop it." lol xD

[@markyrex7512]

Dondi really made the acro a discord moderator

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

AHAHAHAHA

[@RosieRoan]

The Pteranodon design is what people in Bird Box probably see before they off themselves. The Magyarosaurus is also pretty embarrassing as well, and it's running animation makes it look so wonky. I'm genuinely surprised by the Herrerasaurus model; it's colors are gorgeous. And, of course the Allosaurus, Carnotaurus, and Ceratosaurus all look stunning. This makes me question why the developers put so much effort into some of the designs, and then absolutely squandered the others.

[@Skyypixelgamer]

Bipao seems decent to the real animal to me like it is just fluffy or maybe a bit more robust. But yeah a porcupine bipao would be sick

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Kentro already fills that niche tho

[@Skyypixelgamer]

@@alexandrudorries3307 now that I think of it true but isn’t it just stego but it’s defense can hurt

[@GhaniKeSawah]

@@alexandrudorries3307 i feel like multiple creatures filling the same niche is the least of their concerns

[@lygoozman125]

The thing with the T.Rex sounds, I can agree that they could have made their own sounds for it, but I actually do like that they modified the sound instead of just straight up taking it from jp like they did the Utah. Besides the modified version The Isle uses sounds way better to me than the jp one

[@northclawterra1952]

I didn't know that what the giga skull actually looks the 2th one I always thought it was the 1th one

[@raditz1101]

1st 2nd, Im so sorry but that bugs me so much for no good reason

[@trabistheidio1095]

@@raditz1101 don't worry, it bugs me too

[@MiraSubieGirl]

The best news of the whole video is that Dondi is now just silent and disconnected from the project. I dont want to start drama, but god was he one of the most rude arrogant people ive ever met online. And my Business would profit far more than the Isle Team. I wanted to help and he burnt me before I could even remotely explain I want to help funding 😅

[@Just_Call_Me_Foxy]

Spinosaurus deserved better than this... Say what you want about the og Spino, the new one is just a movie monster and nothing else...

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Again, the new design is probably intended to better fit the hypo models (same with the giga)

[@Just_Call_Me_Foxy]

@@alexandrudorries3307 but wheren't the Hypo "Designs" meant to be "Monster" Versions of the Original? What's the point, if Giga and Spino just look like Monsters

[@user-mp8wy8lp4y]

Well I'll take a movie monster any day over that horrid pool noddle "spinosaurus"

[@hyperfreeski3103]

New study’s show that some smaller acys could swim so mini could of maybe swim or just be hippos in rivers

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

No study says this

[@EdmundiumHitting]

Source?

[@cariacuwhitetailbuck9682]

i cant understand people who defend this utahraptor design, i mean its their opinion thats ok but every time i give my opinion about this stupid jp raptor, people get angry at me! also, if you say that you like feathered dinosaurs, the 9 year old jp fans will get angry and attack you. i agree with your tier list and im glad you re bacc :)

[@theabstractguy411]

FINALLY IM NOT THE ONLY ONE TO REALIZE THE FUCKIN PTERODACTYL LAUNCHES OFF ON TWO OF ITS GOD DAMN LEGS INSTEAD THE THE FUCKIN QUADLAUNCH!!!!!! As soon as I saw the take off animation I’ve been wondering if I missed something.

[@ilikedux1369]

Reject troodon Embrace stenonychosaurus

[@KJ-kn8pg]

Jack Horner disagrees with his embryotic skeleton of T. Formosus

[@LuCa8_]

Yea don’t know why minmi would be able to swim. Pretty sure there was literally a discovery a little while ago (probably out of date with my knowledge but still) about a possible semi aquatic ankylosaur