Why I Am Tired of Dinosaur Survival Games

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

1. I am aware Titania is releasing in Beasts of Bermuda soon. This video does not contain any opinions on BoB's maps for this reason. 2. Oh lord I didn't even mention PoT's current growth, but I hope anyone in the know knows how much of a dumpster fire it is. 3. What's next on this channel? To be honest, I don't know. I'm floating through life at this point without motivation to do anything.

[@sealboy1211]

We all just want a well made, balanced, be the creature game so you can enjoy it with us and feel the urge to make more badass tier lists one day.

[@jaisonfire1]

Something cool I think you could pull off would be discussing dinosaur concepts/gameplay from The Isle, PoT, BoB etc. Digging into their designs, saying how they could be improved, or even say how another dinosaur could take their place.

[@AndrewThePoet]

I quite like your content but I would love to see a full on critique video upon all these games indiviually since I rarely even see anyone critcize these games, especially the isle which to me, the isle isnt a well designed game except in some few instances were I had fun and thought it was brilliant but oh well, that is the past back in progression system and Para being ACTUALLY good. However, this is only an idea Im granting you, as it may be a colossal task. I still am unsure what is the video going to be with this one but it seems to me it will be a mini criticism to them all. Farewell amd have a great day.

[@seilamujkanovic3478]

Scantova before this video even start I already knows what its gonna be about, and all I have to say is that I complelty understand.

[@hexvid6412]

make your own survival game, why play what lazy devs make....

[@MrTroodon_Official]

Honestly the problems just start with these games conception, theres never really much of a plan for this games development at the start beyond "play as a dinosaur" wich ends up leading to a lot of issues later on. Like for example the species roaster, they just go with whatever most of the time wich will lead to balancing issues no matter how much they try too fix them it will never work theres species that simply cannot co exist.

[@caldineescogroft8831]

Of course it will not balance imagine if you pick a penguin a black-bear a kiwi and a cave-lion and put then all in the same florest and expect It to be a balance ecosystem

[@MrTroodon_Official]

​@@caldineescogroft8831 Yeah thats a really good way to put it

[@thecat7803]

Or they insist that there are no balencing issues and it’s supposed to be unbalanced

[@choraki]

To be honest, you could throw the balancing system out there for any type of game, not just dinosaur games. The fantasy genre, for example. Why would a human be stronger than an orc, and why would a gnome be able to gut a hulk-like bear-guy? I don't think "logic" or "realism" is the problem of the balancing system, it's the fact that humans play this game. And in order to achieve things, they will use and exploit every single loophole that's given to them by the devs, whether that is intentional or not. Take BoB, for example. Despite the growth system having been nerfed, mega packs and toxic clans are still a thing due to the supernesting, friendship, and growth buff system. Supernesting and friendship allow for them to create impossible-to-kill dinosaurs, and growth buffs etc. just help them grow until 3.0 with the help of their mixpacking friends in order to dominate a server. Is that a problem of a Para being put up against a Coah or an Ichthy? No, that's a problem with the game design. Take TI, now. EVRIMA has been a bit of fresh air, but the same problems as before still persist. Mixpacking will not be punished and certain dinosaurs, regardless of realism or logic, have utopic stats. Take the example of the Stego and the Deino from this video. Why is a Stego capable of bashing a Deino, if realistically spoken, that would never be a thing? And the fact that Carnos, Stegos and Pachys can just pair up without any repercussions makes it easy for people to exploit being in an unkillable mega pack. If you want to balance a game, you can't think of realism. You have to think of the worst a player can do and try to eliminate that while keeping it fun for any other casual players. And in my opinion that's very hard to achieve with dinosaur simulation games. (But it's hard for any game, really.)

[@TarbosaurusBaatar]

Honestly to fix this simply, all they have to do is find prehistoric animals that lived in the same formation! It just makes things easier as you already have an environment to base off, animals you can already pick and a balanced system as these animals lived in the same ecosystem. It just cuts off an entire process of hard work.

[@grazzhopper6799]

1. The isle is stuck in dev hell making mutand dinos that nobody gets to play. 2. Growing the dinos is unfun qnd 95% of the gameplay 3. Massive dead maps with nothing interesting but the same trees and rocks 4. Lack of creativity 5. The game devs expect everyone to roleplay but you just end up getting packs of prey hunting the predators 6. Glorified chat room, aka not a real survival game. 7. Many other things

[@ornat9145]

Also games being actual social medias

[@duder7396]

I think that your first point and 6th are a bit outdated if both refer to TI

[@helioslegigantosaure6939]

The 5 is funiest and honest argument i Nevers heard

[@Chunkysdead94]

#5 is especially a problem in The Isle. I’m not saying herbie players shouldn’t be able to kill a carnivore, but when you have 4 stegos at once that bait a predator bigger than it and bulldoze through anything that tries to challenge it, there becomes a problem.

[@GodOfAnimailia]

@@Homan. Ahh yes lets make a new map and spread our resources even thinner as we already take months to push out updates for a game majority of our player base can barely run, I haven't heard of them making a new map and I cant tell if your comment was meant to be sarcasm or not though if so I apologize but if they really are making a new map that's a terrible decision

[@GodOfAnimailia]

Player: Points out Magys shit desigh Isle Devs: *Gets onto them* Also Isle Devs: Haven't found a way to make Magy enjoyable enough to add to the game despite it being one of the earliest dinos announced for Evrima

[@darinae34]

Thanks god.

[@GodOfAnimailia]

@@darinae34 Your welcome my child

[@darinae34]

@@GodOfAnimailia Amen

[@Sarah_H]

Also devs: *shuts down any speculation on magy because players "don't have enough info to speculate on it"* Also also devs: *refuse to give us any info on magy, frames anyone who criticizes magy as a hater*

[@beastmaster0934]

Honestly, the only TI dev that I actually like is Tapwing. I feel like she should start working for a different, better dev team, instead of all those assholes. Her art deserves to be part of a better game. And out of all of these games, I’m the most optimistic about Beasts of Bermuda.

[@Auswos101]

freds pretty cool too i used to watch all his videos when i was a wee lad

[@nemanjastanimirovic155]

@@Auswos101 god I miss his videos

[@aidenh4681]

I dead asss thought tapwing was a man for the last 3 years I feel so stupid LOL

[@Bagelgeuse]

@@nemanjastanimirovic155 Agreed. Looking at his most recent video makes me feel old.

[@Sarah_H]

My favorite thing about Tap's concept arts is how the dinos in them look nothing like the actual models we're going to be getting in Evrima and actually end up looking better. Spino actually looks like a spinosaurus and not just a weird rex with a sail on its back and big arms. Acro isn't obese. Alberto doesn't look like it came out of a test tube too early. Not to mention we can glean more information on how different dinos will play from these concept arts than we ever could from the devs themselves because they just don't tell us shit

[@GodOfAnimailia]

I want to say the Isle was originally made as a passion project which would explain the devs behavior but that doesn't mean its not childish or excused

[@yummypoppy7954]

I thought Dondi himself said he worked on TSL, wasn't getting paid for his work, stole the TSL models and imported them into his own game to prove to the TSL dev that he could "make a more competent dinosaur videogame". I don't think The Isle was ever a passion project, more of a petty revenge project to stick it to his ex-employer

[@theraymunator]

Moral of the story: everyone should just go play LEGO Jurassic World

[@ken6056]

Based game

[@m1sty033]

@@ken6056couldn’t be more true, lego jw is the most chad and based dinosaur game known to man

[@FinalScorpion]

NO

[@aiden1286]

Yessir

[@Doki_Doki_is_peak]

You are a real one for playing that

[@thunderzilla3521]

I love how you talk about the diet system in PoT. I miss the old version of it. I used to eat clams as a Sarco. Now, it can't eat it naturally anymore. Now, stuck to meat and fish.

[@hamishstewart5324]

Yeah, that was so cool. I have no idea why they made this change.

[@lisaparder24]

@@hamishstewart5324 Probably because they're also quest items. I guess the devs want to have a trade-off for that.

[@lizardzilla]

Worst part is that there are easily many more points that can be made (PoT unnecessarily working on a prerelease map despite not even having gameplay after growth)

[@nightc0red]

You mean getting skins isn't enough end game for you? It works for World of Warcraft! /s

[@lizardzilla]

@@nightc0red it might work if questing was actually fun and engaging, but instead it's collect 50 of something repeatedly, nothing different which makes getting skins, abilities, and overall more of a hassle and something you want to get over with rather than a rewarding feeling

[@jaylicious4694]

@@lizardzilla exactly

[@hamishstewart5324]

@@lizardzilla also, why the hell are all of the good skins so expensive? I understand some being more expensive than others, but seriously, 8,000 points for a single skin?

[@bebos1262]

The Isle's development is ridiculous, I don't know how that game has remained afloat at all. I was a freshman in high school in 2015 now I'm getting ready to become a sophomore in university. far too many other indie games have been tanked over far less, I play the isle a lot, but I am rooting for its demise.

[@BobBob-eb4io]

Yeah i dont think ive ever seen a more misrun game that wasnt an outright scam like jurrassic stomping lands or whatever that game was called another huge proublom besides the horrible optimization is what the isle devs and what the isle fans whant because i think a majority of us fans whant is a realistic dinosour survival game thats trys to get a close to real life as possible and the isle devs seem to whant some weird dinosour survial human shooter game

[@ziosans3589]

i just love how the moment the isle said "we will rebuild the game into evrima" tons of dino/dragon games started to pop out of nowhere

[@Laacer]

I agree on sooooo many points you make on all the 3 games. As veteran to all these games I have seen how they started, got hyped and eventually started to die because of the development issues. All of them had so much potential in the start and now I'm left wondering how the F they managed to screw themselves over so badly... Whatever you decide to do with your channel in the future know that we who are subscribed to you because we like you as you, will be there. Stay strong and safe bud.

[@notspoopyghost1334]

This has been an interesting video, and you make a lot of valid points. The devs do lash out a lot on people (be it because they were only giving actual advice or are just plain toxic) and the updates take way too long. This, however, is the reason why I don't interact with communities most of the time. I just want to enjoy the game I like man, I don't wanna know what that specific developer said to that specific person in that specific way. And when the updates are that far apart, so be it for me, i'll just play something else for a while and come back when I feel like it. All in all, I like Dinosaur survival games, I don't like the community, so what do I do? I stay away from the bad, gross and ugly stuff and only look at the good stuff! Thanks for reading all this way!

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

Cheers. And yeah the ignorance is bliss policy ain't a bad one to go buy honestly.

[@kousand9917]

definitely, plus its boring for me to look at the communities. I have to go out of my way for what? To talk to people that I will likely never talk to again and never interact with. Its just dumb to me.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

My biggest problem with these games, but the Isle in particular, is it feels like the devs don't actually understand dinosaurs nor do they care to. All they care about is the vaguely dinosaur shaped movie monsters instilled into pop culture with things like Jurassic Park. Just look at the bottom tiers of your Isle Design tier list video to see what I mean. I know these games aren't meant to be simulators or educational but as you yourself said "If a game claims to have your favorite dinosaur, you expect to see your favorite dinosaur" not some abomination that is vaguely similar to your favorite dinosaur. There has been such a diversity of dinosaurs discovered, especially in the last decade or so, that there is a dinosaur that probably meets your exact wants so there is no reason to contort a popular dinosaur to meet your needs.

[@LeoTheYuty]

Very true.

[@doublemosasaur5091]

True

[@geckoraptor9397]

Jurassic park was supose to be acurate And for the time it was acurate Spielberg wanted them more like Animals less monster but jurassic world....... Now There are just really outdated dinos that act like humans (Jurassic franchise in a nutshell u became the very thing u swore to destroy) xd

[@LeoTheYuty]

@@geckoraptor9397 They've also ruined their own designs, like making the raptors super bulky, making kangaroo parasaurs, and shrinkwrapping their t.rex.

[@geckoraptor9397]

@@LeoTheYuty yee they are making them less acurate

[@mistypikku]

They need to improve the movement on pot so that people stop getting stuck on each other and also add abilities like grabs, and pounces that actually have influence to either players positions

[@wetube6513]

This why I like Saurian more, you can use the raptor-prey restraint move when you're the Dakotaraptor to kill prey rather than running around mashing the bite button hoping your attack actually landed. It's also far more realistic.

[@hex9077]

Grabs and pounces are planned for the combat update irrc! So there is hope 🙏

[@ornat9145]

speaking of The isle "major" updates, they added a bit more dirt to the already rotting foundation, they added so little thing yet we all found it incredible cuz we are used to eat the crap they usually give us

[@helioslegigantosaure6939]

True

[@fearful6202]

I don’t know if I can think of this niche genre the same after this video. I agree with a lot of your opinions on the games. And one thing that hurts is the PSA. Not saying I’m on their side but damn. And as Beaver once said, “For crying out loud can I just play a dinosaur game and not have to question my morals.” I’m not an og player or anything, fact is I joined about 2 years ago, but with all the chaos, it hurts. I love dinosaur games because of the friends and experiences but I don’t if I can keep playing them with the toxic and hypocritical gaming environment. I just want to play a game and have fun. Anyways hope your doing okay Scan.

[@5H11N4]

While I agree on a gigantic portion of this video's contents, I don't think the Pesky comment at the end was needed, and feels directly contradictory to your statement on being tired of petty community drama in this genre. Aside from that, good takes.

[@user-mp8wy8lp4y]

I agree

[@RoulicisThe]

It's always good to voice issues out, regardless of the subject, since if none voice them they can't be fixed. Hell, as much as I love playing PoT I agree with most of the issues you pointed out here, especially the part about "not using enough of the MMO part". I talked about it with people on their discord quite often (including some moderators and devs, when they had the time) and I'm far from being the only one, unfortunately it's one of these situations of "all I can do is wait and see where it goes" kind of situation. We discuss it with them, we post suggestions for them to read, but in the end we still have to walk the roadmap to see how they flesh all of it out. Although I don't like the way they disabled the discord due to the backclash of the trailer release... I kinda understand why they did it since I was there when that happened : it was an endless stream of new people coming in, throwing their hate out, then a mod comes to give an explanation... And then the process repeats itself because new ones keep coming in with the exact same questions and hate-filled comments. It quickly became too much for the moderators to keep track of. I do not approve of them shutting the channel off (even though temporarily) but I do understand why they ended up making this decision and just pinned the messages of the moderator explanations for the incoming people to read. Apart from it, I completely understand you being tired of these games, and if you don't want to keep playing them it's alright. The main purpose of a videogame, one which many people tend to forget, is to have fun. If you don't have fun playing it, then you should play something else, it's as simple as that ^^

[@GeorgeTheDinoGuy]

I really respect you for taking your channel in this direction and your issues with these games are similar to mine, nice to see someone express their feelings in such a respectable way.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Imo, one of the biggest issues plaguing all of the games is the that they're _online multi-player games._ Like, sure, you can have a multi-player mode, but it shouldn't be the only gamemode.

[@RiskRule]

You should check out saurian then its a single player dinosaur game

[@Megatholis]

Exactly, but saurian sucks and doesn't have graphics near as good as the rest, graphics is very important to me and a lot of other players, hence why a lot of people play the isle or path of titans

[@essyfit1182]

Path of titans has singleplayer that will later have Ai dinosaurs so you can play offline with Ai.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

@@RiskRule I own Saurian, so I know about it.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

@@essyfit1182 Without AI Dinosaurs, it's not exactly a playable Single-player.

[@MamaDoe]

I messaged a dev of Path of Titans when I had an issue of constantly being DoS attacked whilst using their services. I had made an entire list of each attack and all the locations of the attackers. Some are from dos panels, some are from personal residences, and some are just random attacks. Regardless I have all the proof, and it ONLY happened when I played PoT. No other game, just pot. Myself and my friends whilst playing had been kicked from the servers, had our entire Wi-Fi systems go down, and need hard rebooting. When we did, we both found DoS attacks from the same attacker on multiple occasions. Again, I can’t stress this enough this only occurred during playing pot. I messaged a dev called Connor addressing my concerns respectfully, saying I had been playing the game since dinos first became playable and a long term backer and I was basically pleading for help, only to be met with the most rude, ridiculing comments I have ever experienced from a dev. He made me feel idiotic and small, saying pot can never be hacked (anything in the world can be hacked) and didn’t at all listen to my concerns. After a few back and forth comments which I have screenshots of his atrocious behaviour towards a consumer, I went further to message Alderons Games and request my in game data to see which players I was fighting at certain times I was DoS attacked. I got around 2 emails from the management handling it, asking me what my issue was and which dev I was reporting for bad behaviour, to then be ignored. I chased them up the day after or a few days after for a follow up email, again I was ignored. Pot doesn’t care about their community as much as they lead you to believe, and having had a really upsetting experience for a dev I went to kindly asking for help, it’s really let me down. He still remains unpunished for his unprofessionalisim as well.

[@kaponofalconer831]

As a Path of Titans player, I really agree with this. It's kinda dumb that the devs add/release stuff that gets the community super hyped, but then when trying out the gameplay, it's like complete lies.

[@OprahRinrey]

Spot on points basically all around. Been around these games since the start and dealt with the highest high hypes, to lowest low disappointments. Its really too bad because the potential was soooo high. Awesome video man! Wish you best on your content creation journey!!

[@hokkio2574]

I have the same opinion on the Isle. I remember back in 2016 I had fun playing it bc there was no other game like this but they kept on removing things from the game. Replacing maps with new unfinished ones, giving up on features, making some dinos unavailable... Legacy version was cool but it got boring very fast when they completly abandoned it. 7 years of waiting and we still don't have a finished game. I won't be surprised if the same thing happens to Evrima. I'm not even gonna mention the devs because they're the reason I stopped playing.

[@blackcat2333]

i relate to you so hard... i bought the game back in 2017 when it still had promise and i regret it so much

[@yummypoppy7954]

Hey guys remember when Dondi had a "secret agent spy" infiltrate various discord servers? Then he proceeded to ban anyone who would talk bad about him, his development team or his game simply for talking about how toxic him and his community was. Like, banned from playing the game, you couldn't access it anymore. Happened to a ton of people I used to talk to which made them just quit the community all-together. I was there it was terrifying, I took like a several month long hiatus from the game itself because I didn't want to get banned. Then there were all the black-listed servers, but I never got to find out why they were being removed from the server list. Anthomnia made a video about it but to this day I cannot find his video, I don't know if he removed it or if it vanished in his sea of content

[@martin6123]

I remember watching your Isle tier list years ago. Even at the time, I felt that you kept everything very clear and concise. You have voiced my concerns with these games perfectly. I will always support you and your channel.

[@msdyks9000]

I mean the older we get the more our preferences change, I think we all get very bored at times where we gotta take large breaks or whatever especially if there is nothing really that new xP So I undershand this video a whole lot and I can somewhat relate❤

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

I’m still on the intro and I agree. It seems there’s only two major types of games for dinosaurs now: survivals, and park sims. I personally would love me some RPGs, be it turn based like Fossil Fighters (did, like, half the dinosaur gaming community just forget this series?) or open world rpg like Elder Scrolls, be it you play a dinosaur or a person among dinosaurs or anthros or whatever, as long as it has dinosaurs or anything like that prehistoric just *GIVE* those to me and I’ll be as happy as hunkasaurus Hank when he gets a girl in PP’s Freshwater episode.

[@dakotastein9499]

an RPG as a dinoaur would be interesting honestly...either as some turn based gameplay or a monster hunter esque or god of war-like single player rpg. imagine playing utaraptor or a dromiosaur durring the time of the KT event fighting for survival against other dinosaurs either gone radid or mutated by the catastrophy (yeah i know kindof veering more int science fiction territory,but its a fun idea i think).

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

@@dakotastein9499 yes, that and more Fossil Fighters please…

[@wetube6513]

Saurian is more of a survival game, and literally the only one.

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

@@wetube6513 what is Path of Titans then ?

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

@@wetube6513 The Isle? Beasts of Bermuda?

[@aii1717]

dont worry guys the new weather system in the isle should be here in 2 years .. Im so excited !

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

Someone I know did some calculations and the isle will be basically finished in.... *seven more years*

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey As long as Queen Elizabeth II reigns, I have faith that the isle will finish development. Wait a minute...

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@kade-qt1zu bro watch like dondi or something become a pedo or a murder or something and get locked behind bars Let's see how isle stans react to that

[@SpinexF7]

@@kade-qt1zu well then the isle aint getting nowhere

[@andreipinca9949]

I played all of the 3 major games for at least 1k hours each and its funny how they are the most toxic games I played ever, even more toxic than full loot MMO games that I played and shooters...

[@dragolantis7333]

Dino survival games tend to suffer from what I like to call the Multiplayer Halo. This phenomenon causes developers to create things that favor a multiplayer experience, or simply leaning towards making their game multiplayer over singleplayer. This isn’t to say the Multiplayer Halo isn’t always a detriment, one of my favorite games, Don’t Starve Together, for a majority of its current content, right down to its conception, was built with the Multiplayer Halo shining bright over the developers heads. It’s clear why this is too. Other players make for a good supplement or outright substitute to other forms of content, usually raising the overall enjoyment of the experience. Don’t like making complex AI for enemies? Just give some of the stronger skillsets to players and make a FPS. Unfortunately, the Multiplayer Halo has worked to the detriment of most Dino survival games. The isle, evrima especially, is over reliant on other players to generate the majority of the content, as bots are scarce and non-threatening, other players are needed both to make the game survivable for carnivores, challenging for herbivores, and interesting for both. Beasts of Bermuda suffers from being a people pleaser, wasting their valuable update time either shoving fan-chosen creatures into the game, or simply fixing some of the more major balance issues these rushed projects create, causing the game to become both bloated and convoluted, made worse by a playerbase, as you stated, made complacent by broken, rushed classes. Path of Titans suffers from the halo by forcing multiplayer mechanics into the game that ultimately weren’t needed. The MMO aspects, as already stated, are few, but also very infuriating, put in there simply to cater to the Multiplayer Halo clouding the developers heads. Personally, something that needs to happen to create and interesting and compelling Dino survival game is to make it singleplayer. This allows and almost forces developers to focus on really fine tuning mechanics, and creating an enjoyable experience on its lonesome. Only once you have a good singleplayer foundation, even if you don’t intend to make the game solely singleplayer, or singleplayer at all, can you decide if you want to make the experience multiplayer. TLDR: Dino survival devs use multiplayer to trick players into making the game for them, so instead a singleplayer foundation needs to be set up before considering multiplayer.

[@eFMe-fk1xh]

Perfectly put. I would have liked to add more, but honestly, I've always been saying the same things you said here since forever. I think now we have definitely understood that Dino\animal multiplayer games cannot work? (well, not really, actually... since many animals games are in the making, promising the same good old impossible things). I totally agree about Singleplayer: these projects would allow the devs to have control of any phase of the game, and make it interesting, balanced and with entertaining mechanics; but.. it would be niche (only for true animal fans, losing all the casual pvp community), and wouldn't make as much money as multiplayer. Infact, multiplayers exist because they are basically the cheap\easiest way to make money: devs spread hype, create a game which is basically a platform where they put dozens of fancy fan-favorite animals, and then leave the players in hell, with broken mechanics to abuse, and everybody accusing each other of being toxic and stuff. None of these games, not even the newer ones seems to have understood the importance of simplicity: few mechanics, few animals, but well done in its simplicity.

[@dragolantis7333]

@@eFMe-fk1xh I certainly agree, but I do think multiplayer dino survival can work, its just difficult and you need to be careful with it. I have a number of ideas on ways to potentially improve the experience, but one idea that doesn't tie to a singleplayer campain is to have a really powerful creature or environmental danger that forces players to adapt and be more tactical. Get into scraps all you want, its just going to bite you when the sound of fighting rings the dinnerbell for that thing in the bushes, and gather around one area of the map all you want, its not like that dormant volcano will decide to blow or anything, or that a flash flood or tornado will hit the area.

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

I can understand your opinion,it's very sad when nearly the only thing keeping these games even alive or relevant are the models themselves but nothing too much to offer in terms overall and I'll say I still like these games but they've become somewhat boring but I do wish it's gets better 13:44 **MARGY BEING TOXIC!**

[@intoxiouss]

I think the biggest problem with dinosaur survival games isn't maps or growing systems or anything like that, I think the heart of the issue lies with creature balancing and species choice, what I mean is that certain dinosaurs will always seem "under balanced" or "not viable" due to them being placed in a non compatible ecosystem ie taking dinosaurs from two separate time periods and mushing them together to create a "balanced ecosystem", of which is always create an illusion of certain dinosaurs being useless and therefore those dinos not having a player base, (this is also seen in the real world when invasive species are introduced to a different ecosystem and completely dominate it and ruin the current ecosystem) and the only way I can think to solve this issue is to have a dinosaur game based around a certain time period and region, but this would create more issues because people who "like dinosaurs" typically want to see their favorite beating up other big predators when that simply would've never happened ie Stegosaurus vs Trex or Trike vs Allosaurus, and due to that I probably wouldn't have a big audience, overall I think the problem that are dinosaur survival games is just a tad bit unsolvable.

[@akeliza2551]

yeah, dinosaur games are pretty much doomed from their concepts. what could work though is a Pleistocene game, with the potential of having peoples favorite real life animals and some cool extinct additions!

[@evodolka]

My issue with these games is that they are all the same, massive maps with nothing to do other than wander around, PoT tries to fix this with mini quests, but the just boil diwn to "gather 12 pine cones" What i think these games NEED is some fat trimming, not every dinosaur needs to be playable, i want you to look me in the eye and tell me people like playing as dryo, and other dinosaurs are "why would i play as X when Y is the same but better?" Also a map just needs to be dense and full of landmarks not 4 times the size of the earth and as empty as the void

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

I haven't watched the video yet, (Since its premiering but I will once it does) But I agree with you. Dinosaur survival genre is really getting old in gameplay and fun. It was fun once games like dinosaur survival on roblox and the isle first game out. but its been like 5 to 7 years and many of these early access dinosaur survival games haven't really went anywhere with there development. Many of these games are barren wastelands of grass with barley anything to do unless there are other players online and even then those players wont play by the rules. With growth rates that take hours to even accomplish only to die so easily. its just not a fun gameplay loop at all. I am sure in real life being an animal is boring but I am sure that even real life would be more fun then this since you can do a lot more. There should be more unique behaviors the dinosaurs have that they can use, Actual AI that walks around and do there thing. Actual family raising system. Sure all of this is very hard to program I am not saying its easy but you would expect that to all be in a game in the works for atleast 5 to 7 years with kickstarter money. I would even go as far to argue ark is a better dinosaur survival game with the play as dino mod and thats janky AF as it is. I haven't even mentioned how horrible the isle devs have treated their fanbase and their anti modding sentiment. Which I really disagree with since mod support is the one thing that can keep your game alive without need for constant live service updates. I mean look at halo 3. That game lasted for years because of community creation tools like theater, forge and custom games. Thats my opinion on things. I can't wait to watch the video. I am sure you will have similar thoughts. But I wanted to give my two cents.

[@Slomurr]

Minecraft is the best example to look at if one wants to make a survival game that is all up to the player. The reason Minecraft still holds the crown as the most successful game was that fact you are submerged into its world. Minecraft never needed a 2nd game/ sequel. People always come back to it because of the freedom you have. These games simply have too many restrictions, when realife survival has no rules. These games simply do not have the wonder of exploring, living, experienceing the world around you. These animals were alive 66 million years ago and lasted for over a 100 million, yet none of these survival games take advantage of the unique and alien world it was.

[@Chunkysdead94]

Look what modding did to Skyrim too. That game was an even buggier mess than The Isle and people still play it after 11yrs because of it’s modding alone. A lot of the problems that I had with the base game were solved by less than 10 mods. Imagine what could be done with the Isle.

[@whoahanant]

I remember when there were Isle mods too. The desert maps and play as a wolf mods.

[@themakoshark101]

I agree with everything you said about these three games. The Isle, BoB, and PoT have some things going for them, but it's really sad seeing all three of these games making slow progress either because of bad devs, bad community, or bad balancing/bad decisions. Although... I'm not sure if it's fair to call Pesky transphobic. Pesky makes a lot of dark humor jokes and in one of his irl videos he made where he says a joke that something is gay, he pauses the video to explain that the joke was a little bit too far and that he supports gay rights (if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZPQeWeigLpqpJo at 10:15). I think the accusation is a little harsh seeing that Pesky openly supports gay rights, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion so that's fine.

[@CryptadiaSpecEvo]

Lobster

[@Weirdanimalboy]

Supporting gay rights, or just saying you do, doesn’t absolve someone from being transphobic. Ie, JK Rowling

[@themakoshark101]

@@Weirdanimalboy In the video I linked he says, “hating people for the sexuality that they were born with and have no control over is stupid.” While yes he’s talking about gay people, this logic also applies to trans people to. He believes that hating people just for the way they were born is dumb, so saying he is transphobic is an accusation that is really hard to back up. Also, the screen shot from Scanova is from discord and it’s from over a year ago, and it’s clearly been taken out of context since we don’t see what the actual conversation was about. The screen shot is also older then when the term super straight became more mainstream because of certain influencers. It’s more likely that Pesky didn’t understand how bad of a term it was since it wasn’t as popular back then.

[@quilltedtulip]

@@themakoshark101 Trans person here- no it does not fall in the same logic of supporting trans people. The LGB community can be extremely transphobic, even just those who support the gay community. For example: If I said I like apples, that isn't me saying I also like oranges, I am only saying that I like apples. I could very well like oranges, but trying to say that by my statement of liking apples, I must also like oranges. Not all trans people are also gay, a transwoman could like men and not like woman just as a transman could like women but not men. Being trans has nothing to do with your sexuality, it has to do with your gender-identity. The quote of “hating people for the sexuality that they were born with and have no control over is stupid.” can never apply to a trans person. Why? Because we were born in the wrong body, with the wrong gender. Being born with a sexuality that can fluctuate (much like gender can) for majority of someone's life has nothing to do with someone's gender-expression/identification. Saying "He believes that hating people just for the way they were born is dumb, so saying he is transphobic is an accusation that is really hard to back up. " is generalizing what he actually said, which was about being born with a somewhat set sexuality, and transforming it into something completely different and in a slightly ignorant way. So no, I do not believe he was saying he accepted and supported trans people, nor do I know if he does, unless he makes a public statement about it that is for me to know about. His comment about "super-straight" and not dating trans people if you don't want to, invalidates so many in the trans-community. So many of us fight to be seen as our actual gender, not the one we were born with, we fight every day to look like the "socially accepted cis person" only for those to turn around and say they wouldn't date a trans person because they themselves don't see them as their gender, only the fact that they are a trans person "pretending" to be the gender they know they are. So yeah. It's really fucking insensitive for him to say that.

[@themakoshark101]

@@quilltedtulip I mean you’re right, we do need a public statement from him, but right now all we can really do is interpret what he has said. I have already looked for other transphobic statements he might’ve said and I’ve come up empty. The screen shot has been almost certainly been taken out of context since there’s was a conversation going on (for all we know, it could be that he was describing what the definition of super straight was, that’s how vague the screen shot is and is why context is needed here). If you can provide any solid evidence, that would greatly help all of us out.

[@vraptork181]

As much as these games struggle and all the problems they boil with they also boil with potential and as a community for these games together we have the ability to help them it’s just hard, no impossible to get thousands of people to all agree but in the end I hope we get to see them succeed and if we push them in the right direction I hope we can successfully see these games rise the isle beasts of Bermuda and path of titans all unique, I just think we need to come together and make these games listen to what we have to say and what we know is needed for them

[@cfowler7936]

I tried Path of Titans and each time I return even after updates its basically a fetch quest simulator.

[@wetube6513]

For me it's a walking-collect-item simulator with inaccurate dinosaurs that sucks.

[@joema500]

@@wetube6513 The dinos are quite accurate, at least the models are.

[@mesoica391]

I can honestly say that I agree with most, if not all, of the points of this video. As a sidenote; I'm new to this channel and I kinda was expecting another cringy rant about these games just because they don't fit into their preferences or they had a bad time during their 1 hour playthrough, as most of side channel tend to do. But in my suprise it's a very well-researched and objective video about the issues that been/are neglected for this game genre for a long time. Props to you dude and hopefully we'll get some redemption of Dino survival games in the future, after videos like this

[@CatsAreKindaCool]

Im really glad you made another video, its been a while! But yeah, the motivation thing sucks, ive had it happened to me before. But soon it will hopefully fade away.

[@ashisgod]

That is what I call being a true fan calling out some of the problems with what you like cause nothing is more fan like than pointing out the wrongs cause you actually enjoy them

[@majorcheirus77]

As much as I agree that every single one of these games are bullshit, personally I see a few coming out on top. Now I used to simp and defend Path of Titans with my life, but now seeing the amount of issues it’s facing with not to mention the equally toxic community, it really became a let down. Not only is the community literally run by furries, the whole PlayStation launch was such a dumpster fire of an update, it got a 2 star rating at first. And yeh I definitely agree that Rex is just big das, plus you gotta think about the major herbivore bias they have, plus almost every animal has the same ass ability

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

Personally I think the biggest issue is the balancing and lack of uniqueness/abilities in PoT. They have this awesome ability system and for what, like 3 attack slots per dinosaur with some only having 2? Thats disappointing

[@magnarcreed3801]

I like the various different games for different reasons. So I don’t got most of the complaints other people do. Also with the amount of servers that can be various levels of realism…. I’m happy.

[@majorcheirus77]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey true

[@gearguts7259]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey I THINK i understand what they're trying to do, they focus on getting the rooster to a big size to attract more players and work their way backwards into balancing them with player feedback in mind, X dino should fit X way of playstyle kind of deal. What I think they're wanting to avoid is rock paper scissors balancing, in which a dinosaur because such a problem due to kit issues that the only way to balance it is add other abilities that counter it specifically, which I mean I understand but hard counters are almost unavoidable. I hope they get this sorted soon, the way the UI is designed shows A LOT of empty space, which is why I am fairly confident on saying that they probably most definitely have more abilities in mind.

[@IceAge3]

i was very fortunate as a kid to own Disneys dinosaur for the ps2, i used to just play for hours walking around the first level just pretending to be a iguanodon or pteranodon

[@LeoTheYuty]

Very interesting video. Was thinking of buying one of these, but might just stick with Prehistoric Kingdom. I don't mind Pesky, he's just a guy willing to do anything for controversy, with results ranging for funny to bizarre.

[@ladycoyote992]

Honestly, BoB and PoT are the only two dinosaur games I see with any potential. They're both leaning away from the social sandbox aspect and heading in unique directions.

[@RedLight111]

Agreed. Both games are beginning to actually evolve and better their game!

[@undary0u]

Both have less potential then the isle unironicly if the isle got thier shit together and actually learn to take constructive criticism the isle would be head and shoulders over the other dinasours

[@ladycoyote992]

@@undary0u Lmao. 😂

[@undary0u]

@ladycoyote992 they literally have less potential then the isle cry seeth and cry some more

[@ladycoyote992]

@@undary0u You're hilarious. 😂

[@TheGamingBirdwatcher]

Dinosaur survival games never work too well because of the whole survival aspect in the first place. The survival to the game is literally “sit around and grow until you are big to then do the only exciting thing in the game, that still gets boring after doing too much: fighting.” Its the same thing, over and over, because translating an animals life (boring to us, is purely just trying to survive, eat, graze, repopulate, then die) is not a good gameplay for a person (because we usually hope for active action and fun when doing things. We aren’t like animals who are trying to just survive, but also have fun as well). In all, dinosaur survival doesn’t work as a playable game because humans need more then just surviving. They need quests, stories, objectives, challenges, etc to make the game more interesting. That why I think most people love unofficial events in the isle, since it brings so much more fun to the game, even if the event isn’t realistically what dinosaurs would actually do. It’s also why I think people love hypos and humans, because it brings backstory and lore to the isle, which makes it more interesting then just, “dinosaur game go brrr”

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

A lot of people have pointed out that a lot of games focus on the idea/dinos-first and gameplay second, which seems to have hurt them in the long run.

[@TheGamingBirdwatcher]

@@ScanovatheCarnotaurus yep, I will say though, it’s hard to make a realistic dinosaur survival game with fun mechanics to make the game more enjoyable. Usually many of the mechanics in these games can just make it more annoying, like diets in the isle and path of titans doing quests to grow your dinosaurs in official servers (which takes a absurd amount of time, which could easily be ripped away). I’ve thought of making my own dinosaur survival with good mechanics in mind first, but I couldn’t think of many good mechanics to make the game more enjoyable 😅

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

I think the best for scanova would be trying to forget about this games for 2 or 3 years, then come back to them after lots of new mechanics are added to them

[@TheUnnamedPlayer-nwonnUresU]

Guys can we please pressure these devs to fix these problems I really want Scanova to stick around.

[@pugg0wugg083]

Wanna hear something funny? On The Isle Discord server, ppl were talking about an animation of a meteor killing everyone when the server shuts down and restarts. I pinged Bryan to ask him to make this a feature, and wanna know what happened? I lost the permission to speak on the server.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

I feel bad for both of you guys

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

To be fair not pinging devs is pretty common in official game discords. Wouldn't be surprised if that was a rule you broke.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@ScanovatheCarnotaurus even still a seemingly permanent mute seems a bit much for a single ping Also guy who got banned for isle diets meme

[@pugg0wugg083]

@@ScanovatheCarnotaurus I didn't read the rules of the Isle server, mainly because I'm a lazy boi. Big mistake on my part if true.

[@duder7396]

Pinging devs is forbidden. It’s literally the first rule. (Punch is an exception)

[@StelloTyrannus]

I only started playing the isle a little under a year ago, and didnt start evrima till about 3 months later, around when the central river was added. I really want to be optimistic that the kind of game the developers are promising will one day actually arrive, and arrive soon. I can’t imagine the wait people must have gone through on all those years and to think it’s still going must be incredibly frustrating. I never knew any of the history or the reputation of the developers before now. I’m always excited to read the devblogs and each new bit of news raises excitement, but because of these reasons I now feel a bit of uncertainty of where the game is headed. The only thing I want to see is a new playable, but how long do I have to wait for even that, even with all the progress on beipi and troodon alone, why do we have to wait after update 6 if they’re basically done??

[@SerbanTV]

Loved the video, I'm only playing POT these days so I was not aware of the development of other games. I think Path of Titans has a huge gameplay advantage - it's simple to play! You quest, you grow, eat/drink and fight - then repeat. If you think about it, this is all that a player needs on a daily basis. They really nailed the gameplay loop. My feeling is that both BOB and TI are becoming these complex bloated games that only hardcore fans enjoy. POT has nailed the dinosaur movement, FPS is top notch, night/day cycle is really eye pleasing, underwater is fantastic. They are ahead by a lot!

[@RedLight111]

Agreed! Path of Titans actually evolves and continuously updates their game with frequent important fixes such as some criticism stated in the video. PoT is the most aesthetically pleasing quality-wise and I believe they are on the path to topping The Isle and BoB.

[@quilltedtulip]

I try so hard to enjoy these games, but it gets harder and harder. So much of what makes these games fun (especially the Isle) is playing with friends. Back when I first got the game in 2019 I was practically playing 24/7 when I wasn't in school, even playing into the night on school nights. I would sit in large vc calls with people, just having a great time surviving in large packs or herds. It was FUN, and EXCITING to get hunted by anything with teeth regardless of if you were a carnivore or a herbivore. I'd get into huge arguments over rule breaks and game mechanics, made some of my closest friends through the game, but eventually we all slowly grew out of it. We moved to BoB or PoT but neither of them lasted as long, even now I maybe will play one of the games for a week at the most, and thats only really when I get hyperfixated on dinosaurs again. The communities are toxic, the devs are toxic, and the updates just get lackluster as they go. I came into the skin and nesting update for Evrima with excitement, played for a week or two, then never touched it again. They aren't fun anymore, and now that I'm a adult with a job, I just don't have the kind of time these games require. I already have to work 8 hours on most days, I don't have time to grow a 2-6 hour dinosaur, fight things, nest, and just hang out with people. I find myself looking at the clock while playing these games to make sure I'm not playing for too long to get other things done. PoT is the worst culprit for growth times, because they make you do quests to grow, it takes more time to run across the map to get more broken acorn quests then it would to sit and afk grow on BoB or Legacy Isle. We need a better option for a dinosaur survival game.

[@VelocciYT]

to add regarding PoTs growth... yea questing to grow is something, in theory a decent idea, in gameplay practice... its not fun. There is so much the devs wanted or said they were going to add when quests first came about, like multi stage quests. perhaps even the idea of dungeon style quests, but after 2 years of quests its stuck in the same loop that it was in from the beginning. The Isle i can barely play because its so poorly optimised, i can play games like GTA V, Halo, CoD MW, ARK. without lagging, the isle on the lowest graphics i get 5-30fps. BoB i do like it, has a soft spot, but I don't play it enough to properly form an opinion on it and of course finally, great video scanova!

[@Lethal_Giggles]

Honestly, all these games could be improved by adding AI. And I mean good AI. I’m tired of going into a server that’s completely reliant on a more than likely toxic community as a player base. Being able to hunt and survive with my friends is what I really want

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

AI, like proper AI as you said, would be fucking awesome for PoT in particular. It allows for the quests to be more diverse, like imagine a boss fight against a sort of mega eotrike or spino

[@Lethal_Giggles]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey it would improve the games immensely. Even on populated servers, it feels like there’s never anyone in the game, either because the map is too large, the players are all hiding, or too many players are only 1 or 2 species

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@Lethal_Giggles couldn't agree more

[@Lethal_Giggles]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey Yup, seeing actual herds of hadrosaurs or adult rexes actually chasing you down without being toxic would be great. In all honesty you really only need like AI herbivores, and maybe a handful of AI carnivores

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@Lethal_Giggles apex hunts for PoT, tracking and survival based AI for TI, and potentially raid bosses (in the dieties) for BoB. All with the single system of AI

[@Slomurr]

Another criticism of these games is the copy a paste formula they have. The big three have it, but they're all different, BOB being the more less Isle formula than POT. Out of all of them, POT is just really draining to play. The spawns are shit, I really hate the mechanic that prevents you from spawning in as one of your characters because the area was even the slightest bit of active. Like it can make you loose that dino if people often hang out in that area. I think my biggest complements for the Isle is the mistrust of your surroundings and Evirma having each dino be unique from one another, the main play ables serving a purpose. While both POT and BOB lack those feature. POT being the weaker out of the two. My biggest complement for BOB is the fact that it has unique features from the other two and stands out as it's own separate game more, being more of it's own. It feels more fantasy inspired than horror and thats the big difference between BOB and The Isle. POT just feels bland, it doesn't know what it wants to be. It lacks both horror, mystery, and hidden lore to bring the audience in. My biggest concern with POT is that it lacks creative ideas. Comparing POT with the Isle and BOB, it's seriously lacking in creative liberties. The only real pro I have for POT is the graphics, optimization, and the fact their animal designs fit within the world. But game play wise, it's trying too hard to be something it's not.

[@zelevanx]

When the servers were down at one point for path of titans, I said "if there's an update I'm going to touch myself" as an obvious joke. I then got muted for 48 hours, and 3 hours after they muted me, they perma banned me. I then went on the reddit to complain and everyone down voted me.

[@Spiney09]

I got this video recommended as the first one I’ve ever seen from you, so I guess that’s fate telling me I’m going to enjoy your new content, whatever it may be. And I feel this, a lot. I only really do Ark now, and I get bored of it after a while. I’ll sing Ark: Aberration praises because it manages to be a totally different experience despite having the same controls. I can’t compliment Aberration enough because it’s such a breath of fresh air compared to the other maps up until that point. Kept me playing Ark on SP for WAY longer. That’s not meant to be a sales pitch, you do you. But that’s the way I’ve avoided dino burnout, is by taking breaks. I get you didn’t have that luxury with KZbin, and that sucks. Hope you fund new passions, I also enjoy Hollow knight, you could maybe give that a go while you’re trying to find something else more long-term? Edit: also, you can run Ark at max settings and you CAN’T run something else? That game desperately needs an optimization! Edit edit: oh dear, just got to the end. No idea who that was, but… yeah that’s an issue. No comparison here boss!

[@Weirdanimalboy]

Thanks for making me go on a stroll down memory lane with the absolute ridiculousness The Isle devs get themselves into with their behavior. It jarred my memory of them actually closing one of your threads on the steam forums years ago, after tons of decently respectful discussion, a dev basically swooped in, said “The forum isn’t here for your petty complaints”, and closed the thread. If the game tanks I’ll be sad for those who spent so much time and money on the game, but I wouldn’t be sad to say if it gave me a bit of happiness to scar the dev’s résumé.

[@crocodilepoet]

It’s so crazy to think that I found out about the Isle when I was 9 and now they probably won’t even finish the game by the time I graduate highschool.

[@NotTauriiac]

I’m here before the premiere and tbh I’m getting tired with almost all of the dinosaur games I’m done with bob,path of titans and more except the isle and primal carnage, and why is that? Well it’s because I played both primal and the isle ever since I was 7 years old and now that I’m 15 I still play them but not as much anymore since I have a life. the isle is boring and they take so long to add in dinosaurs and they’re all working on different projects and it’s too much to handle. Primal Carnage: Extinction, I love the game so much but what bothers me is the fact that the popularity is small, the good side about the game is that the devs (actually one dev dinosauriac, the dev team is small but the rest of the dev team don’t talk in the discord server) listen to their people and I should say the same with the isle, and primal is a dinosaur vs humans game and its the #1 dino vs human game I’ve experienced and the community is awesome but some of the people in the community arent as great as the rest of the people.

[@vylet9807]

Really loved playing them, but I don't really do that anymore. For TI evrima, mostly for poor optimization, uninteresting map design, and diet system being too much of a pressure. For BoB, mostly balance issues and some species being completely overwhelmed by their 'better versions' For PoT, mostly for having to invest so much time for abilities and growth. Also I feel like their balancing should be a lot careful since you can put only one ability in a slot. Since every player is a person, it's hard to control their behaviors to work as a roleplay game, unfortunately. I think the same reason goes with why packing is such a delicate area. Anyway, really enjoyed the video and I wish you good luck with whatever you decide to do! Loved your BoB videos.

[@catpoke9557]

Someone needs to make a game with one or two playable species. Just one or two. Preferably one. In an ideal world we could have an in-depth and enjoyable game with a plethora of species, but it's just not feasible to make meaningful gameplay for an animal when you focus on too many. You can't get the intricate details of their life that make them unique. It becomes an eat, drink simulator. Not even a 'sleep' simulator since they're all multiplayer for some reason, which also ruins the experience due to unrealistic behaviors.

[@mewnashi2372]

I feel your points.. I hate the isle with my whole heart and only play it when I wanna kos xD. BoB used to me my favourite game of these 3, but lately the bugs make this game unplayble, the community is really toxic, you have no chance growing or surviving solo and some inherits make the game really unblanaced which forces the player to waste a lot of time to renest/reincarnate to get these op inherits.. PoT is currently my favorite. I love the devs and I have a lot of faith in them, I think that game has the most potentional. the only thing that bothers me is the current lags and rubberbanding, but beside that, the game is really good, espeacially for an "early acess"

[@RedLight111]

Out of all the games mentioned, Path of Titans ultimately was the only game to rise above the other two. They genuinely bettered their game, including the combat update and new models, abilities, etc. With the mention of their realism in the models designs I don’t agree with you about the criticism on the “boring” aspect of the designs. They look like that because animals in real life aren’t going to be neon or brightly colored, (aka BoB skins) and mostly it’s the babies with simplistic skins to tell their age. The game itself looks genuinely better than the two other games and has definitely changed in the time span this video was made.

[@karlohunjak1331]

if the isle devs have taken only half the effort that took for these showcases and put it in the creation of an actual game we would have seen updates much faster but looks like they are more concerned the add looks better than the product which has backfired and can be seen by player count on all servers legacy and evrima.

[@xiodraco]

The casual Pesky callout after it seemed like the vid ended was a fucking power move. Good to know that since I'm trans!

[@fang609]

Honestly yeah I agree I feel burned out by the whole Dinosaur survival games thing. Like I had fun with BoB but I just don't get any joy from going back, partially because no one I know really plays it anymore. And in general the communities and Devs across all these games are an apsolute nightmare and headache that I just don't want to deal with it. I have found enjoyment in PCE tho and that has been alot of fun. Anyhow looking forward to what you'll be doing onwards and what ever it is I hope it makes you happy. And yes f**k Pesky and everything he stands for. Fact his profile looks vaguely trans flag like with the blue and white on the Carno and pink background just rubs me the wrong way too.

[@yusufcanbaz8194]

Why u hate pesky?

[@fang609]

Because if you watched till the end of the video as Scan pointed out Pesky is Transphobic. And while I myself aren't Trans I know people who are and I support them in their decisions of been Trans, so people like Pesky acting like Trans people are abominations and shouldn't have the rights that other people have really gets on my nerves. Plus in general I found him and his content a bit annoying

[@themakoshark101]

There's a bit more to Pesky then that one isolated screenshot (which has been taken out of context). I have made a comment on it with evidence I've found and another person named Shiftyvee has made a more extensive comment on it (check his out first, it has more info).

[@skorados7479]

Could play some pce if anyone is up for it

[@Jeremy-ff7gv]

@@fang609 tbh with u i think wokeness is a sickness...nobody cares wether u are trans,gay or a y of the other 150 genders BUT,they need to stop forcing their stuff on us and trying to force us to give them many extras regular ppl dont get just because they identify differently...idgaf about ur sexual preference so why do we gotta suffer thru hundreds of pride parades,trans manifestations and everything else?its not cuz said ppl are trans or gay,its cuz they are attentionseekers trying to find drama wherever they go...kids nowadays have no spine,get offended by everything and cry wolf when someone states facts and the fact is that being trans is nothing but a mental disorder,meaning we should not be forced to acknowledge or romanticize something that ONLY happens in humans meaning its only a brain thing,not 1 animal in the world feels multiple genders and does that do actually turn into the opposite gender fully and naturally...stop cramming wokeness down our throats and just do u as i do mine,sick and tired of these attention seekers

[@wegdhass5587]

What’s the big idea of trying to start drama with pesky?

[@CherryBotV2]

pesky started the drama on their own. Scanova just doesn't want to be related to a transphobe

[@timbomb374]

I'll play a creature survival game when they make one with decent combat. Give the creature a bunch of different moves with startup, active frames and end lag. Have grapples and all that kind of stuff. Make them react and get knocked around when they take a hit. None of this walk up and press the bite button a thousand times stuff.

[@ziosans3589]

for path of titan i remember how unfair the collision was when they added the sarcosuchus, and there was this spino trying to attackme but they got stuck between me a tree and a rock and died cause they couldnt turn, that was sad.

[@jacobniemann4756]

We need more games where you play as a human surviving in a dinosaur filled world and no not ARK, ARK has become just as stale as other dinosaur survival games we need more narrative... either stuff like remaking Dino crisis or maybe a single player survivor experience like Far Cry primal but with dinosaurs. That's the kind of dinosaur game I want.

[@sealboy1211]

In regards to bob, pred needs to mute discord and make the healthy changes his game needs. It’s turned into an awful grind fest due to infinite growth and busted strong inherits. His rabid community is holding back his games potential for growth(no pun)

[@boba_tea576]

I fully agree with the isle i can't even play for 5 minutes without crashing and every time I crash all of my save files get deleted

[@vividsky1669]

I agree with like, 95% of the video but what I disagree with isn't something that will keep me up at night, what I like the most is your pretty fair tone with the games in question, good job man. also in regards to your Bob bias I think even though I'd rank Bob as the worst rn due to certain issues it's quite understandable and I'm not exactly in a position to criticize you for it myself. and as another side note as much as i take issue with certain things in all 3 games I do like to sympathize with the developers due to the though spot alot of them are in (except dondi, he deserves none)

[@foxlover208]

honestly currently all the animal survival games are in a ruff spot but atleast the isle is atleast enjoyable if u ignore the toxic devs and community

[@Rabbit-o-witz]

I feel as if some of these games focused on combat mechanics it would be really cool. Instead of spamming m1, make the combat like Jaws Unleashed. Hold M1 to bite and hold, then shake the mouse to take out chunks. Give collision. Make injuries on different parts of the body cause different effects.

[@CherryBotV2]

i keep seeing a lot of people claim that the pesky screenshot is taken out of context which maybe it is, but until proven that its not it is blatant proof of transphobia and not just that but the man also supports people like Ben Shapiro whilst also claiming to support queer people. Now coming from a queer person, if you want to support us, then don't turn around and support people like Ben Shapiro and if you want to lie about supporting us, don't openly talk about how you support conservative politicians as it will entirely expose you as a liar.

[@Marcin9200]

I understand you. I'm already so tired of these games they take too long to get somewhere, if they get anywhere the isle is an example. It's gotten so boring the same thing over and over, I'm already starting to play games I never thought I'd play like RuneScape.

[@flashgordon6510]

I play Isle, PoT, and BoB - I love the Isle, but yes, progress is slow. The map has so much wasted area. But the playables in Evrima, I think, are all really good, so I'm optimistic, and I understand there's a whole new map coming, hopefully in UE5, which might fix many of the performance issues.

[@YEET_GUY.official]

If feel the main problem with Evirma being so slow on development is them focusing on the future and not the present time they should just focus on 1 or 2 things and not 50

[@Gogziller]

When a new dino games coming out I’m like YAY A NEW GAME! But then it says something like survive in a massive world and hunt food then im just like,oh not like we already have that

[@skorados7479]

I used to play dinosaur survival games, but ive moslty had fun with tycoon / first person shooter games. I find these games nowadays dont have mature dev teams that lead to drama and draw backs for the projects progress. The isle and beasts of bermuda, ive had my days with , dealt with toxic players and greif yet i did enjoy the thrill of it, i didnt enjoy how the devs handle the commuinty and how its all manged with all these rules and rule breakers. All gets stressful over time. Issue with people hunting for sport and not hunting when theyre hungry. Played the isle back in 2015 , played bob back in 2018, and ive spent too many un healthy hours in both games to grow a virtual creature that dies to toxic players that dont have any other huntable npc prey lurking about. Primal carnage is always fun, you dont loose progress when you die, you play yo have fun, i play games for that reason. Maybe im not built to deal with high heart rates when someone is killing my dino. Games i prefer to play thats dinosaur like is prehistoric kingdom, and beasts of bermuda ONLY on the pve instant revive le hide out chillout server, duels are allowed and fun events are held there and reskins. Compared to playing pvp i felt limited to what dinosaur i could play as some others are weaker, i wouldnt log on para or velo as i knew it would be 1 shotted, clans and targetting is a pain in the ... and balences arent acurate, they change the stats all the time, they nerf certain dinosaurs making players choose the better ones. I prefer more friendlyer environments , im more of a pve player since ive had my pvp days and toxic players effect my mental health not gonna lie couldnt sleep most nights. My last days of bob is on my channel shown as my moments on bob where its funny wholesome clips ive had on the game. Ive got no pvp skills at all, but i have fun some way playing as a huge apato that i grew to 2.2 Sorry for a ton of text above, thought id say my thoughts about this topic. I wouldnt mind joining your discord carno or something, seem well knowleged on these games and a nice person :)

[@hiderirender6904]

bro how are u tired of dinosaur survival games when theres only 3 out to begin with 💀

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

What dinosaur survival games does to mf

[@JumpscareRodent]

I literally stopped playing the isle due to all the changes and the lack of action. It always took so long to grow or whatever and finding combat or intense situations was boring.

[@caseycat]

I thought it was just me. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one feeling similarly. I feel like I'm just floating around trying to find my motivation as well.

[@ornat9145]

oh you too ? first of all I'm really tired of seeing communities giving so much credit to those garbage game. No they aren't great game. At all. The goal is only to survive and there is no depth in the gameplay. PoT and TI keep doing amazing promesses but we still don't see them being realized. BoB is kinda OK as the devs don't treat their game as if it was the next big game idea for the inderstry, they don't promess any they just dev"ing the game. But the thing that annoye me the most is really the community of that kind of game, I could go on for ages but I think you get what i'm meaning.

[@donzaibanzai7746]

The comments at 13:30, can you explain how this is awful behavior? It seems like they called out someone in their discord that was trying to spread misinformation about a dino that we dont know much about. This is an issue because if its not addressed or called out, then the community takes this as fact for the dino and runs with it causing headaches for everyone. The Isle team has definitely not been the most 'professional' team ever. Especially with Dondi...... but honestly I get their attitude. Maybe its just me getting older but so much misinformation, backhanded comments, and straight lies are constant in the discussion channels. IF the community could be reasonable and just have 'theory crafting' conversations where we are just speculating im sure thats fine but when someone goes in and says something like they know it as fact and then defends it with 'nothing', it just gets old. Good luck man, I hope you find a new thing for your channel that brings you a lot of joy! I will follow and see what you come up with. You actually could just a 'hot takes' channel on popular games, movies, shows, etc. What ever you are in to at that time. I rarely agree with you at all but I find myself coming back because I like the ability to hear from the other side! Take care!

[@Don-ds3dy]

Just some ideas incase there is some indie dev looking to make a dinosaur game... 1) monster hunter clone but with dinosaurs/other prehistoric creatures 2) survival game like 'The Forest' with a setting similar to Peter Jackson's Skull Island (not an ARK clone) 3) evolution simulator that mainly focuses on dinosaurs (like spore but more "scientifically accurate" and mature) I've been desperately wanting games like these for a while.

[@akeliza2551]

i NEED another game like spore, ive been waiting for something like it for so long 😭

[@tenshi.kurama]

My biggest issue with BoB is most servers have a growth cap above when you'd get your last point. I'd be more exciting if you have to really think about where u put your points on a server that has a cap of 1.5 against not worrying where u put your points because you'll eventually get em. Found I was not playing it more often than I was cause u have to afk grow safely until your 2.0 to have a chance

[@Shehzain]

Thank you so much for making this video. I'm so tired of dinosaur survival games as well despite playing them a fair bit. I think something that would help a ton would be to have an adventure style game without PvP combat, as well as one that's mainly just combat but with realism. Have the dinosaurs react to being hit and need to heal from damage realistically. That or just make a straight up fighter game since people seem to be so obsessed with PVP combat...honestly I'd prefer an adventure game myself. And please no more park sims either....

[@Guys_its_me_Chris]

I didn’t even know that about pesky also good video scanova

[@creeperhunter2k03]

Not gonna lie, I had more fun playing Creatures of Sonaria in roblox than in The isle or Beast of Bermuda, and I think you could do an interesting video comparing how both CoS and the dinosaur survivals can learn from each other, btw if you wanna play CoS I would recommend you to have a pro player with you to teach you how the gameplay and economy works, if you want to I can help

[@eggcycle2664]

Cos has gone bad now

[@creeperhunter2k03]

@@eggcycle2664 you say it for the robux creature, and yes the price is horrible, but I can still play the game and have fun with it

[@masqueradewat]

Honestly, I can agree on the profusion of dino survival games. Like, it kinda shocks me to think there are so many recent dino he's, but most are survival games, and some park builders. You'd think we'd get a platformer, maybe something more action-y, hell a strategy he could be cool. The variety is just, there's so much potential just left untapped.

[@bigchungbus5756]

Honestly, 4 months later and i finally agree with some of this. I think beasts of bermuda has a very rewarding gameplay for extremely dedicated no lifers outside of titania, and titania will eventually get boring. Path of titans combat system is ruined by 2 things, the ability to abuse combat timer as a group to prevent smaller groups or solo dinos from healing, and the poorly balanced status effects (I.E. bleed being slow dmg and easily healable, and rex being able to charge a bite for 0.1 seconds and get 15 seconds of bonebreak on something.) And then there is the isle. Legacy is a good game, however, its plagued by the death of itself, some jank mechanics, and poor server options. Oh, yeah and the notion of never being updated. Evrima i have never installed. Its good, dont get me wrong, but they spend too long being lazy during balancing that the development is so slow and so far behind that i dont really give a shit about it, never did to begin with. Even now theres less than 10 playables made over like 3 years, what the fuck are they smoking?

[@sm4carnageihope]

I'm personally sick of Park Builders as well. Gimme a story driven game for consoles set in the Jurassic franchise.

[@TheKingofCoral]

At this point ima’bout to make my own Dino game

[@blueraptorgaming064]

Did you check out Prehistoric Kingdom?

[@BIGdoggydog01]

Everyone is tired but no one leaves 😂

[@wetube6513]

It's like an extremely boring playground with one swing and one slide for 100 children.

[@sneakyraptor1469]

I have played all 3 games and out of the 3 I like Beasts of Bermuda the most. The Isle: While the game is fun most of the game play as of right now is just growing enough to be able to survive a single Carno hit before actually going out and doing anything, I swear I spend more time afking in random spots than I do actually playing the game. Also the Community and Devs made me not really interact with other players and the only server I find people who dont constantly curse you out if they found out its you who killed them is AU Official servers and The Zoo. For me The Isle needs a TON of optimization and balance fixes, they should have never added the larger dinos without thinking of the roster at the time. I feel deino and Stego should had been held back till other smaller dinos were out, like Troodon and Beipi. Troodon could have shown players how to work with a glass canon dino and learn to be patient when hunting. While Beipi could have shown us how the water mechanics will work and what it would be like for when Deino came out. Beasts of Bermuda: I really like being able to customize my dinosaur and im very fond of the accessibility for those with colorblindness and the ability to tone down skin colors for a more realistic look. While some dont like the more cartoonish style I find it fine for right now. The Optimization can use some work for alot of the maps but otherwise you dont require a heavy computer to run it. I actually really like the talent system but some talents just feel like a must instead of a choice. I do understand people not wanting to lose a dino as I too have many dinos on a specific server that I am very glad to have, my main two being bios, but I would be fine to lose those dinos for some more balance. All in all BoB is fine with me for right now, it for sure needs balances but im kinda okay with everything being able to kill everything. A skilled ptera could kill a rex just as a skilled rex would know to use the key to look in the sky to aim and kill the ptera. A ory can trick foes into going into its burrow where it can then easily kill them with comfort, having dinos be viable for those who know how to play them is something I approve a lot of. Path of Titans: I have less experience with this one as it became boring so fast for me. The constant clans killing people left and right and having to do quests to grow killed it for me. I really like the idea like the skins, species, talents and such but I feel some things need to be worked on more before I go back to it. I feel adding in an adopt or nesting system would be a great thing for newer players who will need alot of help when starting out. Also the fact you have to buy things with the points is kinda hard when your constantly being killed as a baby and cant even get to the next stage before starting all over again. I for sure have a bad bias for this game but when they start adding more updates and mechanics I may go back and my thoughts on it can change. Overall I like the idea of it just some things needed to be rounded out before it started.

[@roguetheoutlander8800]

I dont judge you, it already need something new, like cenozoic theme or paleozoic theme or something totally unique