The Italian American DNA Twist You Won't Believe!

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My dad always told us he was 100% Italian. Our DNA test are pointing to something else. Can a haplogroup really tell you about your family story?
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[@nillehessy]

dna is been proven as they claim as it is double helix ever been seen or recorded sorry but i don´t think so

[@GhostSal]

Check out the study, “Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans.” The study clearly states differences in northern Italians and southern Italians. Linking those differences both to geographic location causíng evolutionary changes and different genetic lineages. Here are some exerts from the study: “ the well-established cultural and genetic diversity of the Italian population, some of the most outstanding among those observable across the entire European continent” - So the study sets out to find out why there are observable and outstanding differences between northern and southern Italians. “To date, remarkable efforts have elucidated important aspects of the demography of the ancestors of modern Italians, which have contributed to their heterogeneous genetic background”. - Heterogenous means unalike or distinct from one another backgrounds. The researchers noted two different lineages going back to separate places. The team identified traces of post-glacial migrations in those living in northern Italy, who also presented a close relation to ancient European cultures. On the other hand, southern Italians were found to have a close relation with Neolithic human remains from Anatolia, modern-day Turkey, and the Middle East, and with Bronze-Age remains from a region that extends into Africa. “Italian samples turned out to be located on two considerably divergent branches “ - This is the result, we come from two different branches of the evolutionary tree.

[@PrincesSarah70]

Yes, I know my maternal halo group. I haven’t been able to get my brother to do a test yet since our father is deceased.

[@bluetinsel7099]

The maternal haplogroup is passed from mother to child not just daughters, however it is the daughters that pass that on to their children as it’s mitochondrial DNA the X in the XX or XY combinations of people. The dads pass their male Y chromosome or haplogroup only to sons and for daughters they pass their moms X on as that is also what determines if the child is female XX having the mom and grandmother on the dads side haplogroups or XY having the mom or granddads haplogroup passed from dads to sons. With haplogroup H that also goes back to L3 for females as it’s a branch off of that, and J is a branch of JT and it goes back around the Caucasus region, T is more norther and also into some parts of Eastern Europe although more so in Russia area and J is more souther, both around the Russia area or central to Western Asia around Russia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia and northern Iran area. So the J is southern parts of Russia around the Caspian and Black Sea and T would be the northern parts of Russia. So your dad is Eurasian with a European maternal line and South Western Eurasian. You’re Eurasian based on your maternal and paternal haplogroups and the maternal lines are a branch off L3 which is the same lineage as Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Romans etc. With dealing with anemia, you should include more dark leafy greens and citrus or vitamin C with your greens and eat them alone without calcium as the calcium can block the absorption when eaten together. In places like Greece they are known for cooking greens with some type of vitamin C as well, onions and peppers also have vitamin c, but a bit of citrus also helps and if cooking in cast iron it can help absorb even more. You don’t have to eat flesh to get the iron you just have to eat more darker leafy greens and also black beans are good to add if you like beans, also if you need more iron you can take an iron supplement and challated is usually better with absorption. Yes Beta Thalassemia is a Mediterranean anemia and it may have something to do with mosquitoes. If you have children it is hereditary and can be passed on as you obviously found out. With the Indian maternally they are also mostly a branch of L3 as well with haplogroup M although there are others most are from L3. Your dads Iranian would possibly be the area that the J branch was in.

[@Frodojack]

Do you mean "haplo" group with a P?

[@XHobbiesPrime]

It is no surprise that someone with Southern Italian heritage could have ancestry from North Africa. They are really close together. It would be more of a surprise if they didn't.

[@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY]

Wait, does that mean some Egyptians have Italian and Greek DNA? I never thought about this and now I am not sure why I did NOT.

[@luxpursuits]

@@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY absolutely

[@heydeereman1040]

I didn't. Mine was Balkan. Since my family moved to Sicily from present day Albania in the 1400s. Mine was in order: Tuscan, Balkan and Iberian.

[@GhostSal]

Actually, it’s not just about mixing but also about different genetic lineages. Check out the study, “Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans.” The study clearly states differences in northern Italians and southern Italians. Linking those differences both to geographic location causíng evolutionary changes and different genetic lineages. Here are some exerts from the study: “ the well-established cultural and genetic diversity of the Italian population, some of the most outstanding among those observable across the entire European continent” - So the study sets out to find out why there are observable and outstanding differences between northern and southern Italians. “To date, remarkable efforts have elucidated important aspects of the demography of the ancestors of modern Italians, which have contributed to their heterogeneous genetic background”. - Heterogenous means unalike or distinct from one another backgrounds. The researchers noted two different lineages going back to separate places. The team identified traces of post-glacial migrations in those living in northern Italy, who also presented a close relation to ancient European cultures. On the other hand, southern Italians were found to have a close relation with Neolithic human remains from Anatolia, modern-day Turkey, and the Middle East, and with Bronze-Age remains from a region that extends into Africa. “Italian samples turned out to be located on two considerably divergent branches “ - This is the result, we come from two different branches of the evolutionary tree.

[@salvation2979]

History is what dictates that. Hannibal conquered Sicily aside from Sicilys proximity to North Africa

[@shrtsirkit]

Hey, I've a great story regarding thalassemia for you. My wife and myself are both from Jamaica in the Caribbean. Our 3rd daughter, born in 1984, in New was diagnosed with anemia. Our pediatrician, after performing a number of tests trying to identify the type of anemia because she was not responding to treatment, sent us to a major medical center for further tests. Here is where it gets interesting. The doctors called my wife in to discuss the diagnosis. She was asked about the certainty of the father of the child. Well, you can imagine that was not taken very well. The doctors had never met me, only my wife who looks very african. Their uncertainty was that our daughter's diagnosis was Thalassemia. In African peoples sickle cell was the most common anemia. Thalassemia was a rarity. The fast is that although my mother and I were born in Jamaica, her father was born in India and came to Jamaica as an Indentured Servant. (ie. He could earn his freedom) So my takeaway from all this is that if we go back far enough, we'll find connections. BTW, myself and 2 of our children are carriers of thalassemia minor.😊

[@MsPeabody1231]

People including medical staff seem to have a very limited knowledge of history and how people migrated around the world especially former colonies. I have an Italy last name and there is thalassemia, sickle cell and another blood type that interacts with them both in my family. I only know this because I found that some of my family members are married to someone who is a 3+ cousin and have children who are impacted. (They don't realise they are related until I get them asking questions.) I didn't have a child with a cousin but someone with Italian ancestry and who as a child their parents hung around with people from my background.

[@SheilaLimontas]

My parents are also from the Caribbean and it wasn't until I was 30 that I was properly diagnosed with beta thalassemia minor which tends to be more like intermediate.

[@joannebrady6113]

​@@SheilaLimontas Me too,I'm mostly Irish,the rest is north n south Italy.i have thalassemia minor.🌺☮️

[@joannebrady6113]

@@SheilaLimontas Hi sheila.this is joanne.i was a nurse for many years and cared for many sickle cell pts .out of all these people,only one young lady had a mother with both sickle cell and thalassemia.genetics is fascinating.if I was younger,how wonderful it would be to study genetics and viruses.😊🙏🏻

[@lazarushernandez5827]

You have to take history into account, think about the old silk road trade routes(which were established as early as the 1st century BC), that lead from the east to the west. All it would have taken was one male ancestor from however long ago to have moved progressively westward. Your dad could have an ancestor that migrated to Italy/Europe relatively recent or much earlier. It doesn't mean he isn't Italian. What it does mean is that you family history connects you to more of the world than you first thought. Continue the journey.

[@danpress7745]

The vast majority of humans are mixed. Mixed is to be human. So ....

[@kaiyakershaw1028]

I love how you put that it doesn’t mean he’s not Italian, it means that he’s connected to more of the world than you thought. Beautiful!

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

Definitively not. This caucasian subclade is present in Europe before the 2000 bC.

[@lazarushernandez5827]

@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 And where did I say it wasn't? You calling it a caucasian subclade implies that it or it's ancestor was in the Caucasus region before. I just stated that her and her dad's ancestors could have arrived from a more recent or more ancient migration.

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

​@@Marixpoza If you make a test of your mytocondrial DNA it says to you what was yours ancestral mother lineage. And if you make the test of your father direct lineage it says to you what is yours ancestral paternal lineage. Not six generations. Spain is not Italy. The south of Spain was under muslim rule for seven centuries, but it's an exception. The continental Italy never was ruled by muslims, nor colonized. However muslims were expelled from Spain after 1492. And the conversos too were expelled after. Furthermore, you overestimate ancient navigation skills: even in the Middle Ages, to go to Egypt you had to go along the coast and the journey became very long. The shortest route was not taken. Not to mention that there was a risk of pirate attacks along the way.

[@vblake530530]

I’m a physician, Teach. Beta Thalassemia Minor or Thalassemia Trait is a mutation that can protect one from Malaria, much like Sickle Cell Trait is protective against Malaria. In each case one parent has to have the gene (for Thalassemia or Sickle Cell) to pass it on. THIS IS DIFFERENT from Thalassemia Major which is lethal in infancy or Sickle Cell Disease, which causes life long painful illnesses, where both parents have the gene. You got about 1/4 chance of a catastrophic situation. Is there a Sickle Thalassemia? YES! The greater point is make sure your family members with Thalassemia Trait get genetic counseling. It could be tragic if they a child with someone else who had Thalassemia Trait and didn’t know it.

[@chiarac3833]

We have the Cooley's Anemia gene. Lucky it hasn't shown up in a while.

[@rettawhinnery]

Actually, the haplogroups did change on 23andMe. It's not due to any ethnicity estimate updates. It's due to a change in nomenclature. For example, my brother's paternal haplogroup was originally R1b1b2a1a. Now it is R-M405. They are both still the R haplogroup, but 23andMe was using an older nomenclature and updated it to conform with a more commonly used nomenclature.

[@johnnyearp52]

That happened to me too. But like you said it is still the same thing just a different name.

[@lucaamoruso2672]

Only the American morons could believe in this '' accurate test''. Don't you know that is completely a fraud? Italy was NEVER occupied by the moors.

[@stackered]

Is there a way to reach out to you about contributing to your videos? I'm Italian/Sicilian American (mixed with Scottish) and am a bioinformatics scientist. I'm a big genealogy nerd but also an expert in genomics. I see some comments on your videos that make me think doing a quick video about how these tests work and the algorithms behind them could be useful and insightful. Would love to connect but if not, still a fan of your stuff!

[@Rebecca-le9hn]

I am an African American, so are my parents, grand-parents, great-grand parents. My mother's father might have been bi-racial, still researching. I took the Ancestry DNA test and of the 13 countries that showed up, only one puzzled me. There was 1% Bengal. Bengal, all I knew about Bengal was the tigers. I knew it was somewhere near or in India. After digging I found out that male traders from Bengal came to the US as vendors selling their hand made items. Because of their skin color, they often lived in African American and Puerto Rican Communities. So n now I have to find the connection. Remember, history plays a part in genealogy research.

[@CryptoBiz44]

Perhaps they came over to the Caribean area where there is British influence and much of those area's such as trinidad and Tobogo have Indian influence, even Jamaica..

[@user-tr4ej8mw4s]

It's simply a genetic noise and unspecified data.

[@henrylockett7838]

​@@user-tr4ej8mw4sIt may be just noise, but you never know. I'm African American as well and all my cousins on my dad's side, who took DNA tests, had 1 to 2% Chinese. Also, according to my update, I have ancestors from Jamaica. If you know that history, it could be true.

[@johnnyearp52]

In that small of an amount it could be. ​@@user-tr4ej8mw4s

[@SDBOGLE]

There’s no African ancestry in American.If you traced an ancestor enslaved in America, no history of any of the 680 different West African language is recored or documented as being spoken in any colonies,

[@stephcarlofc]

Let's be real. Southern Italians are multi ethnic people. Sicily was ruled by Ancient 😂Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Moors and other civilizations throughout the centuries. Southern Italians look very different from Northern Italians. That is why some of Southern Italians can be confused for being Arab, some can look like they're Latino, and some even look like there can be light skinned Black people. Then again, Southern Italians do have a connection with North Africa. DNA can be very weird but very fascinating too at the same time. You have a very unique mix Danielle!!

[@marcellocolona4980]

Definitely! I’m Sicilian and Mexican, everyone assumes I’m an Arab.

[@caniceedward]

The Gypsies have Iranian and Indian dna.

[@lucaamoruso2672]

Let's be real. Italians are the descendants of the ancient italic people such the Romans, the Etruscans, the Samnites etc. So there's no mix. I don't know where you studied history but definitely you missed a couple of lessons. I mean, I know that American education is quite poor. Stop spreading hoaxes.

[@Benny_M_1922]

Now I understand why people hate americans: you know nothing but still you are so confident....

[@verenatuna9010]

​@@lucaamoruso2672 The thing is, that these ancient Italic people like e.g. the Romans, were already mixed...with Phoenicians, etc... We just have to look at their haplogroups.

[@jcortese3300]

I have much the same results as your dad: it's like someone loaded a paintbrush and made a clockwise stroke around the eastern Mediterranean -- thickest at Adriatic Italy, and then it continues around Greece, Turkey, the Middle East, and north Africa, getting thinner and thinner. Two thousand years ago, that would have been one word: "Roman." (Same maternal haplogroup, too. Don't know my paternal of course -- no Y chromosome.) Same with thalassemia -- my mom also had the more common, less dangerous beta thalassemia trait. Normal blood cell volume, high blood cell count = small blood cells. (I didn't inherit it.)

[@redmoondesignbeth9119]

Your paintbrush analogy was really cool.

[@marcdigiambattista751]

It always baffles me when Italians are shocked at getting Greek, Arab, Jew or African on a DNA test. I mean do they actually know the history of their own people? Have their heard of the Roman Empire? Carthage? Hannibal Barca? The Achaean Greeks and the Phoenicians? Even the myths of the Romans say the city was built by refugees from Troy, a city in Anatolia (modern day Turkey).

[@chrissorrels7093]

@@marcdigiambattista751 Italy was only unified as a country relatively recently. If you are in the north of Italy, a red haired blue eyed Italian might be shocked if he/she had any Arab ancestry. Italians are well aware of the Greek city states that existed on the mainland and in Sicily. Magna Grecia! If a Sicilian was surprised then that would be a shock. There are Greek monuments all over the island. They were under Moorish rule for centuries.

[@marcdigiambattista751]

@@chrissorrels7093 Yet there would be pockets of Middle Eastern ancestry in the North as well. The Germanic people didn't replace the population, they mixed with it. The Goths and Vandals also had Iranic allies with them who originated in the Caucasus region, such as the Alans and Roxolani. They would have carried Central Asian and Anatolian genes with them.

[@dantesabatino5429]

I also got 1% India as a South Italian/Anglo-Saxon person, including 8%Middle East. You might be interested to know another Mediterranean overlap is that South Europeans ancient dna is majority Anatolian(Turkish) farmer, whereas North Europeans have very little of that.

[@hlb979]

Yup (Italian as in peninsular Italian here, in my case I'm from the northern part) if I recall correctly Anatolian contacts were present even before Rome, e.g. early Etruscan culture (center/north of the peninsula) had contacts too. Pre-Rome cultures had lots of contacts thru the Mediterranean long before the very mixed Roman empire happened. I'm also adding a detail about Anatolian people too: as far as I know the Turkish populations settled in from the north east and gradually Turkified the area much later than what we call Anatolia. Leaving cultural aspects aside, genetically I think they are different groups. Peninsular Italians tho in general just don't care about distinction among genetic roots, just clarifying the detail.

[@marcdigiambattista751]

I suspect any Indian genetic traces would possibly be from Romani people aka "gypsies".

[@dantesabatino5429]

@hlb979 It’s the Neolithic period of all South Europeans, and to much lesser extent North Europe, where ancient migrations of Anatolian farmers spread across Europe primarily in the south.

[@sogokakuto]

The Anatolian farmers spread all over europe,including the British Isles. But the indo-europeans R1b mixed with them in southern europe,but not in northwestern europe (they probably wiped them out) Hence the difference between an English and an Italian,it is indeed that J2 haplogroup from Anatolia.

[@DanielleCapichano]

My downtown Brooklyn Born dad told me that 'not all Italians are "Italian"'; that many would claim the name so to pass in society. In that regard, alluding to historical fact of both of the island of Sicily and the peninsula that compromises of Italy being taken over as many times as it has throughout the centuries, this shouldn't be surprising at all.

[@timeforchange3786]

I don't know if you saw the show Finding Your Roots with Johnny Cash's (big country singer) daughter Rosanne Cash. The Klan went after him and his wife because they said she was African hiding as Italian. In the show they show she was Italian but also had an African line. The DNA also showed Johnny had African DNA as well.

[@marcellocolona4980]

Same for Calabrese and Neapolitan.

[@lucaamoruso2672]

You Americans don't know anything about history, especially yours (U. S. A. United States of Assassins). The south of Italy was NEVER occupied by the moors. We Italians are the descendants of the ancient italic people such the Romans, the Etruscans, the Samnites etc. I understand, you Americans are so moron about history and racist too.

[@user-vg4cg4uw9c]

My paternal relatives immigrated to the USA from Sicily around 1910 when my grandfather was about 5 years old. He ended up retiring to Florida in the 1960's. I remember when my family went on vacation to visit him in Tampa he joked about how dark his skin was, and what his neighbors might have thought about him..

[@kittycat7505]

my moms parents raised me from when i was a baby, they came here in their 20's from palermo. and its like they never left they speak sicilian only in the house.. ... same with my dads parents but they grew up in bari and compania reagion. my mom and i look middle eastern ( people come up to us and speak farsi in los Angeles all the time and i go oh sorry im not persian. and my brothers are blonde hair blue eyed and we are second generation 100 percent southern Italian / sicilian people (meditarians.) People ask me if my brother is from a different dad.or when he was a baby people assumed my mom was the nanny and my brother wasn't hers.. I'm actually not as dark as my mom but I have a middle eastern face. i dont think we are "dark" but tans get dark if u keep going in the sun... u get browner. that's typical. unless u are more fair and burn like my brother. most of us get very brown if we keep tanning. i avoid sun . people still don't think im white weather i have a deep tan or no sun at all. lol so i don't understand what his neighbors would think of him differently with a tan vs no tan.

[@user-vg4cg4uw9c]

@@kittycat7505 My grandfather was very dark skinned , and more so when tanned by the Florida sun. He could have "passed for black". Our not so long ago ancestors were probably from N. Africa. Back in the mid-sixties communities weren't as ethnically diverse as they are now. Even though he was retired he worked for his community as a grounds keeper, and maintained a full tan year round. For what ever reason he felt like the residents thought he didn't live there. I have the full genetic combination of dark easy tanning skin, dark super curly hair and brown eyes. And, that's out of six grandsons.

[@kittycat7505]

yeah but thats just dark middle eastern my bf is libya and they think he's my moms son in Italy, some of us have north African completion ....i look more Lebanese but still we don't have features like west africans we have arab faces maybe you are west African then lol no a lot of us look like what you are describing its just Americans are so far removed from it they find it exotic that's actually more common we find light features more exotic in palermo since im from the arab side of the island @@user-vg4cg4uw9c

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT MY ITALIAN ANCESTRY BEFORE DNA: Short story. My mom was anemic, so they gave her iron supplements, but it only made her symptoms worse. So they tested her for all the usual types, sickle cell etc. They all came back negative. They said "well, there's only one other type but that wouldn't apply to you since you're black". Years go by. mom's still struggling. She goes back to the doctors. Luckily, this time, there was another doctor who had experience in the Caribbean. He asked if they tested her for Thalassemia. They sad no because she's black. He insisted. Guess what? BINGO! Years later she does the test with 23&me. As expected, she had a percentage of European ancestry, but nothing from Italy. I said that's bullshit! A year later, they do an update. Sure enough, it's there. Coincidentally, I have some on my dad's side too. Relative matches linked me with somebody from Calabria.

[@nytn]

This is just such an important comment. I’m thankful you took the time to share this. Judging by outward appearances has got to be done with. It hurts everyone. Also…This makes so much sense!! Iron NEVER made me better. Always worse. I quit taking it. I had no idea why. 😰

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@nytn Who would have thought it right? It's so counter intuitive. We get so stuck on racial categories and appearances when in fact the things that can have really important consequences in our lives are down to the genes that have nothing to do with any of that.

[@chiclett]

Calabrian ? Congratulations

[@zivaughn]

This is so interesting. My mother, who is African American, was told by her doctor, who was trying to figure out her anemia because iron wasn’t helping her, that she may have Mediterranean ancestry. We’ve never done our genealogy. Now I really want to do that to help my mom and me, too. Thanks for sharing.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@zivaughn You're welcome. The DNA test is the best shot I think. Trying to do a paper trail for an unknown ancestors on god only knows which parent's side is like looking for a needle in a haystack! They should just test her for it though, that would be the easiest thing. These test though really do dispel assumptions about migrations though.

[@luxpursuits]

I know an Egyptian guy who goes around town pretending to be Italian because it is good for business

[@_.Marz._]

Sounds like the majority of secular history 😅

[@luxpursuits]

@@_.Marz._ Guy is such a skirt-chasing shyster and a much-admired country club member 🤣

[@_.Marz._]

@@luxpursuits Funny how nothing much has changed since ancient times 🤣🤣

[@luxpursuits]

@@_.Marz._ Of course not!!

[@debismith6239]

Good morning, Danielle. A few yrs ago a neighbor and I were having a discussion about genealogy. She said she was Scotch/Irish. She had dark hair and dark brown eyes with fair white skin. I asked her if she was Black Irish (poss Roman ties). She said the Drs told her mother, that the mother had thick Mediterranean blood, too which she protested. Several months later, the neighbor said she and her daughter were having problems with anemia. I asked her if she had thalassemia because it is common in people with Mediterranean blood. Sure enough, she and her daughter both tested positive. She had also done a DNA test thru National Geographic a while before. It showed they were Scotch/Irish, but 5000 yrs before they were from Egypt, and 5000 yrs before that, they were from Sryia thru the mother's line. Hence the Med blood. I was an insurance agt yrs ago, took a lot of peoples' medical history. I had a female client & her daughter who had thalassemia major and minor. Mother had very thinning hair, teenage daughter had excessive body hair. The genetic medical questions is what started my interest in genealogy. I discovered a distant line that has a colon cancer gene that causes cancer in the 30s being studied at OH State University.going back to a German couple in Pennsylvania in 1760s then poss further back to Native American. That line traced from TN, KY, Mo, Ok and Tx, I believe with the Trail of Tears removal in 1830s. It devastated that line. Knowledge is power to get tested early. Keep up the good work, Danielle!

[@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY]

I have always thought that if you wore white and maybe a gold crown on your head, you could stand sideways and do the "pose" and exactly match the walls of the ancient tombs. Whenever you'd do a new video with "I'm white, and..." in the title, I would think, has she not seen the hieroglyphs talking about her?! ✨

[@debismith6239]

And she's beautiful with all her mixed ancestry!

[@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY]

@@debismith6239 yes, indeed inside and out, she is. :)

[@marilynmatthews1649]

She doesn't look white though, mixed race at best. I see black DNA when I see her.

[@gazoontight]

Yet another surprise! Southern Italy was a melting pot of peoples. Just look at the physiognomies and how they differ from north to south in the peninsula.

[@gazoontight]

Remember that the Roman Empire extended into Northern Africa, Middle East, as well as Europe. Roman citizens could and did travel and relocate within the Empire.

[@GhostSal]

Actually, it’s not just about mixing but also about different genetic lineages. Check out the study, “Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans.” The study clearly states differences in northern Italians and southern Italians. Linking those differences both to geographic location causíng evolutionary changes and different genetic lineages. Here are some exerts from the study: “ the well-established cultural and genetic diversity of the Italian population, some of the most outstanding among those observable across the entire European continent” - So the study sets out to find out why there are observable and outstanding differences between northern and southern Italians. “To date, remarkable efforts have elucidated important aspects of the demography of the ancestors of modern Italians, which have contributed to their heterogeneous genetic background”. - Heterogenous means unalike or distinct from one another backgrounds. The researchers noted two different lineages going back to separate places. The team identified traces of post-glacial migrations in those living in northern Italy, who also presented a close relation to ancient European cultures. On the other hand, southern Italians were found to have a close relation with Neolithic human remains from Anatolia, modern-day Turkey, and the Middle East, and with Bronze-Age remains from a region that extends into Africa. “Italian samples turned out to be located on two considerably divergent branches “ - This is the result, we come from two different branches of the evolutionary tree.

[@grauervonnebeldunst3165]

​@@GhostSal ChatGTP: "Genetic differences between Northern and Southern Italians are relatively *subtle* compared to differences between populations from different continents or even within the same country. Studies have shown that both groups have a shared genetic heritage, but there are slight variations in the frequencies of certain genetic markers or alleles. One study found that Northern Italians have slightly more genetic similarity with populations from central Europe, while Southern Italians show more similarities with populations from the Mediterranean region. However, these differences are not pronounced, and there is significant overlap in genetic profiles between Northern and Southern Italians." Stop this American r*tarded dualism between North and South Italy. The owner of this channel is so ridiculous: her dad (whom I don't know if he's got some black blood or not, since she mentioned somewhere that she's got black ancestry) represents the 3% of the phenotype in the Southern Italian region where I live. But she's cherry-picking this, extending it to imaginary proportions to feel better about her and his exotic look.

[@Hyapatia77]

The Italian phrase, "Southern Italian starts in Northern Africa," applies here.

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

That sub subclade of that haplogroup is Caucasian. Present in Italy before 2000 bC. J2a1b M67/PF5137/S51; the most common subclade in the Caucasus Its derivative: J2a1b* -

[@nytn]

Yes I have also heard “Africa begins in Rome”!

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

@@nytn Too bad your father's haplogroup has nothing to do with Africa. You don't have to be a scientist, just go to wiki to see that it came to Europe from the Caucasus, where this clade it is still prevalent. The migration occurred long before the birth of Rome.

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

@@nytn Africa begins in Rome Is the most racist phrase I have heard so far. Furthermore, it is also a very stupid sentence. Those who think this should stay at home and not even come for tourism, because they are not welcome.

[@giorgiob8464]

@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 What is racist about it? Southern Italy and Sicilia have been overrun by countless invaders from North Africa, the middle east and asia for millenia. Many southern Italians are not darker by accident. Learn history first, then comment.

[@HayleyMarie72]

This doesn’t surprise me that you have Middle Eastern DNA, I always knew most southern Italian people had that DNA. It probably explains why most are olive to tan color and the history between Egypt and Rome was very strong.

[@verlan3293]

Right. Southern Italians tend to phenotypically look different than Northern Italians.

[@lisayoung4810]

​@@verlan3293they are different and many Northern Italians do not interact with Southern Italians for that reason. They know that Southern Italians have some African ancestry

[@Jolene8]

@@verlan3293 Northern Italians are descendants from the more northern region people's of Europe. Their evolutionary journey is a bit different, compromised of Eastern Europeans and Western Asia (Steppe people's aka Indo Europeans), admixed with Northern Asians, in some populations; Caucasian Hunter Gatherer (Turkish) and Nordic genetic heritage. Each evolving in their own spaces and then admixing. While Southern and Northern genetics overlap, at some point, they had different, overall, evolutionary events giving them their modern, historical genetics and phenotypes. They all converged into Rome at one point and the rest, as they say, is history.

[@demetriusevans4139]

The middle east is a fake man-made land. It's Africa

[@nickb839]

Lisayoung4810 It’s the other way around and a lot of us would rather not interact with them because of it.

[@ladyraven3418]

My Fiancée and I got a 23andMe done over a year ago. I am a woman, so, unfortunately I can't know my paternal haplogroup, but I did learn that my maternal haplogroup is V2. My understanding of this haplogroup is fuzzy, but I suspect this may be from my northern Scottish heritage. (don''t quote me, because I'm still confused) My ignorance of Sicilian history made some of my ethnicity results a bit surprising. I had thought that my Bisnonno (great-grandfather) was 100% Italian, but he brought a Southern European mix, with a touch of Northern African.

[@brendasears9650]

Oh my gosh, my Bio Dad's family came from Italy the same time as yours. All my life I have tended to be anemic. I thought for sure it would end in menopause...nope. I realized it was an inherent problem when I started donating blood in 1995 and kept getting deferred. I have taken a daily supplement ever since. None of my docs came up with a possible reason. I guess they were thinking horses not zebras.

[@susangrande8142]

I hope you get yourself checked for thalassemia! 🙏 I wish you well.

[@Lemurai]

I’m black American presenting physically, however when I did my DNA profile I’m 41.2% Subsaharan African: Cameroon/Nigerian as the primaries & 58.8% European decent broken down as French, Portuguese & Dutch as the 3 primary. But looking back it makes sense, my father is a creole from Louisiana, but I didn’t realize I could have inherited that much European DNA from him. I’m thinking it must be a little from my mother’s side as well. Genetics are weird like that, but that high amount also explains how my brother has blue eyes & a bit of a smoother textured hair despite being very brown in color.

[@davidbraun6209]

My results from 23&Me gave me to understand that mymaternal haplogroup is H31, which is North European (Scandinavia, Scotland, England). I had been told that 35.9% to 50+% of my DNA was British & Irish (Greater London, Liverpool, Glasgow, Dublin, Cork). I had been told 29% or more of my DNA was French & German, but they were clear that that part of my ancestry was from Bavaria, which fell flush with family history (paternal grandfather was my only grandparent not born in the U.S., but was born in the Oberpfalz in East Bavaria). But the revelation that knocked my socks off was that my paternal haplogroup is CTS-3402, a haplogroup I share with Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, and some six documented Russian nobles or landowners from centuried 16 through 19. As it happens, the part of Bavaria whence he came is called Bavaria Slavica. That was eye-opening.

[@CryptoBiz44]

Im loving your channel.. My wife is mixed, her fathers family came to California, French Camp area from Shreveport Louisiana with last name Celestine and her grandfather and his brothers and sisters still speaking french creol. So i have taken interest being a history buff myself and coming from a family both paternal and maternal with much history!

[@nytn]

I love this! My mom's gram spoke Creole as her 1st language.

[@lisayoung4810]

NYTN, thanks so much for your heart! Could you kindly put your heart back by my comment. When I edited my comment to say that after seeing the photos at Ellis Island, my students had asked why there were black people coming from Italy, the heart you posted disappeared.

[@TheFifthWorld22]

Love Your Work So Much 💖

[@whoahna8438]

You don't automatically get half of all your parents' DNA groups. Me and my dad share the exact same amount of one group that my mom doesn't even have any of

[@nytn]

That’s true!

[@brendasears9650]

Recombination is real :)

[@johnnyearp52]

Yes, you get half of each parents DNA but which half you get from them who knows? So you do not get an even amount from each grandparent.

[@whoahna8438]

@@johnnyearp52 Erm that's what I said

[@char-briyagandy9578]

No you said something ignorant.this person just made the statement logical​@@whoahna8438

[@LostNFoundASMR]

Yeah, Mediterranean Fever is something my family carries and its just like this-shared within the same exact groups of people. Also, this is why I say people cannot say that ALL Italian Americans are "white" because we mainly come from the southern two Sicily's and in those regions some of us are part west Asian from the Caucasus mountains region and usually that is Armenian. Some are Greek from places like Crete, but also from the Pontic Greeks that ran from West Asia during the ottoman empire. A lot of these people hid where they even came from and just became "Italian" especially when they entered into the United States. DNA don't lie though.

[@JJinPhila]

It is quite common. I have some North African (possibly Moorish) from my mother's family, along with a lot from the Iberian Peninsula. My mother's family was from southern France.

[@paulemerick8661]

My mom had somewhat similar results when she did a DNA test. Her paternal family was from Southern Italy but the results included noticeable genetic affinity not only in Italy but also in the Middle East and North Africa.

[@tiredoftrolls2629]

Looking quickly before the trolls get you. Liked and engaged to keep the algorithm positive!

[@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY]

I kinda trolled but I'm a friendly troll. I do wonder the deeper family history of the J haplogroup, how that works out over the centuries. Mine is the same as Queen Victoria's but... my maternal line is Irish so that makes NO sense. I am a direct descendant of King Edward III but that should not show up in MATERNAL DNA, and it is not in that family line.

[@anitaglover2047]

My haplogroups are: C, H, H1+H3, HV,J, K, L, M, N,R, U3,U5 on my mom’s side and my dad A0, A1, B, B2, E1b, G, J, Q,R1a,R1b and T. I am fascinated by this to say the least because my ancestors migrated all over. However, I’m going to keep following the paper trails.

[@PrincesSarah70]

Based on the results of my maternal halo group I decided to take the African Ancestry test because to get the beginning of my female lineage. It matched my 23andME and Ancestry results but that test goes a step further. It tells you the group of people she originated from.

[@heydeereman1040]

Mine did show a fraction of a percent from India ( I can't recall the exact region) probably for that same reason.

[@e.urbach7780]

My Sicilian grandpa always said, "everybody from the Mediterranean is related to everybody else from the Mediterranean," and the more I study the history of the region, the truer that sounds! Not just all the wars (with their attendant r*pe and pillage), but all the trade that was happening continually, seems to have brought as many people to settle in different parts of the Mediterranean, as it did for products and goods and ideas. That reminds me of the story about the Roman politician Cato, when he was in Syracuse (Sicily)), trying to warn the leaders of the city about the danger that Carthage (in north Africa) was to them, but they kept brushing him off. To make the point that Carthage was too close to them for safety, he brought some Carthaginian figs from the market to the senate and casually let them fall on the ground, and when someone asked him where he got such beautiful figs, he replied, "Oh these? They were picked three days ago in Carthage!" If it was really a 3-day boat trip from Carthage to Siciliy, that's a business trip that people could have been taking a couple times a month!

[@mauallison7755]

That trade, goods, and booty sharing occurred everywhere on planet Earth is a certainty. :) Enjoy the journey, all of our collective one’s are interesting with regard to what was happening at the time. History, and much of which isn’t taught.

[@madeandcrowned]

06:20 - I think you were looking at the information Wiki for Haplogroup J (mtDNA) rather than Haplogroup J (Y-DNA), which would be your father's patrilineal haplogroup [relevant] information.

[@stephanienwadieiiamhybasia]

I love 23 and me. I participate in their research. I met several cousins in the site.

[@selinaBARMAR2565]

J2 yes is very common in the Southern Levant. Something to keep in mind is the Phonecians colonizing into Europe, the Phonecians are along the Fertile Cresent. Italians, Greeks, and North Africans many share a common ancestry of Middle Eastern pollutions. My dad who has a Latino heritage along with other ancestry but when doing my ancient ancestry I came across J2 on the paternal side. This test gives you the Ydna of cousins too, so J2 is also common amongst Jews. So you might want to look into that too if you haven't already. The Phonecians are also connected with the Canaanites. There's the migration of expelled Jews from Spain that migrated to Latin American countries and eventually resolved to Catholism too, that's in my history on my paternal side.

[@natashaa43]

This is fascinating Danielle, because like you, I have a problem with Iron and take iron pills, we do have some Mena ancestry, but have presumed this to come from the SSA ancestry. Who knows, it's all fascinating though.

[@mind_of_a_darkhorse]

One of the biggest problems with sending in your DNA to be tested at groups like 23andMe is that they were reselling the tested results to the government, law enforcement, and even insurance companies to use against the clients. This is one of the factors that makes me hesitant to get my genetics tested. I know that I am English on my mother's side, but my father's side is very murky with the possibility of some Native American blood thrown in the mix. Have you had any issues or concerns with doing this? Just curious.

[@misstriciaskitchen8640]

I don’t know about 23andMe, but I have heard that AncestryDNA refuses to give their DNA results to law enforcement. Law enforcement has had to get a court order to force them to give results from a specific individual. And then you have the public dna databases where you can download your results. Those are completely available to law enforcement and have been used to catch serial killers.

[@timeforchange3786]

​@@misstriciaskitchen8640i have no problem with the police using my DNA to catch serial killers and rapists 😅

[@joybyrd2659]

This episode gave me more insight into how my Italian paternal grandfather may have met my mulatto grandmother in 1912 Kansas City.

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

J2a1b M67/PF5137/S51; the most common subclade in the modern Caucasus is the one that generated J2a1b* The same spread mainly via Turkey and Cyprus, but also with the passage of populations from Albania to Italy before 2000 bC.

[@KingCatsTube]

Interesting story and sharing some of your father's DNA is good of you. The Haplogroup J2a1 was not uncommon among early Italic peoples in Italy. J2a1 was likely acquired by them on their migration west from the steppes in either the North Caucasus or the Balkans. Another common Haplogroup would have been G2a, but the largest would have been R1b (R1b-U152 being the most common among Italics), common throughout most of Western Europe. Much of this DNA would have made its way into Italy by way of the Pre Italic Neolithic farmers who would have mainly had haplogroup G2a, and seem to have carried a minority of E1b1b, J*, J1, J2, and T lineages, a process starting roughly 7000-8000 years ago. Since your Dad's ancestry is from the South of Italy (Calabria, Naples/Campania), he likely has a sizable amount of Greek DNA, including the J2 and J1 Haplogroups. The ancient Greeks had many colonies along the coast of Southern Italy and Sicily. The people with the J2 and other Eastern Mediterranean DNA during the ancient period would have fallen into the racial category of Caucasians. A good resource to investigate DNA and Haplogroups is Eupedia.

[@Heyokasireniei468sxso]

I'm mixed with Sardinian Italian, and I also have Egyptian levant Arab, but I remember a lot of trade/slavery happened in the past. I'm also mixed with French/German (mostly French) to which also have had a lot of Arab and Asian influence and interaction. my point the Arab/Jewish admixture seems common to have some north African blood or even Jewish ancestry. rape and whoreing didn't only take place with the American black slaves and slave masters. some black/Arab/sematic slave master raped too. Because disgusting things like rape are really about power dynamics not passion, and the ancient world was alot different than Christian/political media influence will tell with all of their double speak and erasure. It's harder to play divide and rule if the people knew how connected they really were its alot easier to make them see an other , because of they seem themselves they might unit and become whole which becomes a revolt. because the truth it's always been the have's vs the haves' nots nothing more race isn't even a biological reality

[@AdamJatla]

back when carthage was in charge of sardinia, most people there had North African roots in their DNA. did europeans actually enslave North Africans in the past? i don't think so. and even if it happened, it probably wasn't as much as during the barbary pirates era when North Africans took hundreds of thousands of europeans as slaves to North Africa

[@thinkaboutthisright3345]

Moors from North Africa arrived in the Iberian Peninsula in 711 AD. They were also in Sicily, Malta and reached what now is France.

[@lynnhooley7608]

My family is from Central and northern Italy. And we have some German do to the Lombards Invasion in the 6-7th century.

[@wesurvivedcastledunboy9571]

More people share King Tut’s DNA in Britain than in Egypt. Total fact.... they’ve done studies.

[@Seahorse20]

I have the Y-haplogroup R1a-Z93>Z2125. This is haplogroup is common among South Asian, Central Asian, and Ashkenazi Levite populations. My mtdna is H3 which is widespread throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. Haplogroups can update when further subclades are discovered. J2a is very common among Ashkenazim.

[@Samuel32425]

The Wikipedia page you were on is not related to your father's paternal haplogroup. It was related to the mtDNA (or maternal) haplogroup J, not the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup, also confusingly J. They have no relation to each other besides the name. The Y-DNA your father has is very typical of Southern Europeans and originally spread with Neolithic farmers from Northwest Anatolia into Europe. Before then it likely spread from hunter gatherers in the Caucasus, who then went to the Near East. I wouldn't be too surprised by the West Asian DNA, it's very typical for Southern Italians (mainly Sicilians). Most of it came during the Imperial period of Rome when migrants from the Levant and North Africa began settling there and slowly replacing and changing the original Italic population there. So to an extent it's true that people from modern day Egypt and so on would have gone to Southern Italy, but this was only in 'recent' history during the last stages of Rome. Your father's Y-DNA likely has been in Italy before said migrants arrived. DNA is confusing and a lot of companies don't do enough justice to make it easy to digest for the average person just trying to understand their ancestry. Hopefully this explained things a bit and made is a bit easier without having to spend hours reading.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

Since the late Roman period, so many Middle Easterners and North Africans carrying Haplogroup J were part of the Roman Empire. Also, many groups such as the Phoneticians, Hebrews, Arabs, Moors etc. made trips to Southern Europe over 2,000 years ago, so I'm not surprised Haplogroup J, which is Semitic DNA marker, shows up in some of your family tree DNA. At least some Italians and Spanish have some ancient Semitic ancestry.

[@cynthiapickett7403]

Fascinating, as always.

[@RI1672]

I believe you were looking at the Wikipedia entry for maternal haplogroup J (mtdna), not the paternal J (ydna). They have different origins and world distributions to each other.

[@user-se9vh2sm6k]

@Nytn Your father looks just like a former neighbor of mine in East Haven CT. His name is James Ormond and he is also Italian. I swear they look like cousins. Wow. Do you have any relatives here in CT?

[@shauna7946]

I lived in the MENA region for 10 yrs and your father has classic Egyptian looks. Also, parts of Southern Italy and Sicily were ruled by Muslims for almost 500 years.

[@jennw5052]

@nytn Your dad looks like my former neighbor, James, who's also Italian!

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

So the Egypt thing.... Egypt is right next door to the Levant and in historical times up to the present there have been multiple waves of migration into Egypt. Just consider in the Bible how many times folks was going there for one reason or another. They of course got absorbed into the local population and that's why it shows up. The indigenous haplogroup is E1b1b, which has the parent clade in East Africa. From there it migrated into the Western Desert in Egypt before settling in the Nile Valley when the Sahara started drying up. E1b1b also most likely represents the last population to migrate out of Africa to populate the rest of the planet.

[@jahmight6279]

Persians J Haplogroups and Roman/Greek R Haplogroups all come from the Caucasus. The oldest R is from a boys fossil in Serbia.

[@FCntertainr]

Sickle cell anemia is prominent around the Mediterranean and developed as a defense mechanism against malaria and yellow fever. The not allowing oxygen in red blood cells sounds similar to the condition you have in your family. It is genetic passed also.

[@nytn]

I had no idea! That’s wild

[@FCntertainr]

@@nytn your response is well taken and I'm humbly proud that take time to comment! I'd like to search your condition and see if it is related to sickle cell. Jews in Austria get something called Tay- Sachs which is also like these conditions. I love your videos! Amazing all of the documented cultures you have and just think it all started because of Lola!

[@nytn]

I would definitely research to see the connection to sickle cell. Genetics can be so interesting, but they always tell us something new

[@rondoellsworth]

Although your Daddy's DNA is fascinating, I'm not actually all that surprised by your new findings. The Byzantine Empire was a thing. You also have when the Moors conquered Sicily. Quiet as kept, many Spanish words (I would also assume Italian) have an etymological origin of Arabic. I say that to say there's been many opportunities for the genetic exchange. The history is fascinating. Dope video!! Keep exploring.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

Algebra, artichoke, magazine, apricot, admiral, orange, assassin, and such are from Arabia, through Italian, Spanish, and French

[@richardwilliamswilliams]

Good morning from Copperhill Tn. We got the bad weather shortly after reading your reply.

[@bluemantom77]

Thank you for what you do I need to do a genealogy on me there's a lot of stories that my father was not 100% Sicilian and it could have been Spanish Arab half so not sure I think it's truly interested in my family is diverse to begin with so I enjoy hearing stuff as find new stuff on your journey it's amazing the stories you tell keep up the good work you do 💪

[@rossieharris1481]

In THE AFRICANS WHO WROTE THE BIBLE, Nana Banchie Darkwah writes about the Exodus, wherein Moses , the high Egyptian official leads his people (Ancient Egyptians, the Akan Tribes and other African tribes) out of Egypt. He states that some of these tribes later leave this initial group with some going to Canaan, some going into interior Africa, some going into Western Africa, and some going to Greece and Europe as Hebrews, carrying Monotheism with them. I would not be surprised that there was mixing along the way; tribes mixed wherever they went in those days.

[@Rqs79]

I have Thalassemia minor. I'm African American. Didn't find out until two years ago. Dad's side is Louisiana Creole and he does have some remote Italian ancestry through my paternal grandmother. Not sure which parent passed the trait to me. Living paternal descendants of my Italian ancestor share the same haplotype as your dad. My mom had issues with anemia in the past, though. It could be through her. When I was much younger, I had iron deficiency anemia. I'm thinking my mother may have passed the trait to me.

[@jake-qn3tl]

Some Africans carry the thalassemia trait, especially north Africans

[@maryrykert-wolf1725]

Thalassemia and sickle cell served similar function in that abnormal shape of red blood cell helped decrease risk of contracting maleria: apparently there were swamps in Italy, which have since been drained, which were infested with malaria. If you got the gene from 1 parent, few sx: however if both parents gave you the gene, serious health issues develop

[@maryrykert-wolf1725]

*malaria

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

Malaria is an Italian word. It means "bad air."

[@br8kadawn]

I did the CRI Genetics test for my daughter and myself a couple years ago. Now I'm going to have to look at it again. Their layout is quite different. The "Advanced Analysis" section left me with more questions than answers. Also I am "slightly" anemic which I was told came about when I was pregnant. I have to take an iron supplement daily. My mother is also hypoglycemic. Finally speaking of blood - I am RH negative and there's a lot of mystery around where that originated from (in general). Everything from aliens to the Basque people. I'd love it if you could cover the RH negative blood type mystery!✌️❤️🙏

[@marcdigiambattista751]

Italy was extensively colonized by the Phoenecians (from modern day Lebanon) as well as the Greeks during the Bronze Age. Ever since then, there has been a constant gene flow around the Mediterranean, and Italy is a big peninsula which sticks out in the middle of the ocean and has always been of great strategic importance. During the Roman era, many many people from the Levant and Anatolia became citizens and moved to the capital. Thousands of Jews, Phoenecians, Amorites, Hittites and Greeks moved into the Italian peninsula in Roman and pre-Roman times. The ancestors of the Italians were basically a mix of the proto-Celtic people who migrated from the Corded Ware culture to the north east, and Greek and Levantine people who had migrated across the sea. You put a bunch of Italians, Greeks, Jews and Lebanese in a room together and make them all dress in modern western clothes and speak English, and nobody is going to be sure who comes from where - we are all cousins from thousands of years ago.

[@adriannieves1495]

It’s pretty awesome for sure; I’m not too surprised honestly though, seeing as Egypt is pretty much across the Mediterranean from Greece and Italy, Sicily and Calabria in Particular got very mixed ethnically from countries all around the Mediterranean. If you think about it, a lot of Southern Italians but Sicilians specifically, a lot of times share some features with Egyptians and Algerians; again makes sense honestly though seeing as they’re not too far from each other. It’s Pretty awesome for sure. 💯👍🏾👍🏾

[@lynncombel1106]

Now I want to know my haplo groups!! Fascinating, thank you!!

[@et76039]

About 17% of the heritage of modern residents of the Canary Islanders is from the native Guanches, who are considered related to the Berbers. It's not surprising that people in southern Italy might have genetic ties to the Middle East, as a huge proportion of the Roman era population in Italy came from slaves. Some of the other commenters pointed out the differences between north and south among Italians. One of my forebears in colonial Virginia was from a London family surnamed Taliaferro, which traced back to Venice. That is consistent with a small proportion of Balkans or Central European heritage our autosomal DNA tests keep finding.

[@kittycat7505]

most of us sicilians and southern italisns are mostly greek/italian and middle eastern. its makes sense because of carthage ... greece ...phonetians ( from present day Lebanon)... elamians ( first bronze age group ) and the arabs from the middle ages . anyways I skipped around. some people have a little bit of Spanish or western European ( normans )... but not a lot. his result Is typical some people of more greek/italian and some have up to 40 percent middle eastern. my nonna is only 10 percent middle eastern and my nonno is 21 percent ... the rest Italian / greek and like 1 percent jewish and 2 percent Spanish

[@hopelessstrlstfan181]

Hey, my "100 percent" Sicilian college buddy has her DNA test done and it showed a portion of Ethiopian!!!!! Amazing. To clarify by "100 percent Sicilian," I mean all of her Grandparents were from the Island of Sicily. Ultimately, we are all Africans if you accept the current mainstream opinion on of science of human origins, an opinion I share. Nonetheless, it was still kinda cool to find out the presence of Ethiopians in old time Sicily.

[@kittycat7505]

​@@hopelessstrlstfan181 maybe the war ... thats kinda dark. After World War II, many Italian soldiers returned to Italy with their Ethiopian wives. These mixed couples had children who were also Italo-Ethiopian.

[@kittycat7505]

@@hopelessstrlstfan181 Italian colonialism in Africa began in the 1880s and ended with Italy's defeat in World War II. In 1937, the Italian government banned colonial concubinage, which was a practice between Italian men and African women.

[@hopelessstrlstfan181]

@@kittycat7505 Interesting. Good point. I hadn't factored into the mix modern Italian Empire Building. I have to say, I am a little disappointed. I was hoping to find evidence of more ancient interaction between Sicily and sub Saharan Africa. On well, you're probably right. BTW, like you, I also have Southern Italian heritage of which I am proud. Go Italy!!!!!

[@kittycat7505]

@@hopelessstrlstfan181 well i dont know him or his family but that would be the most likely thing something more recent. maybe the war. most of us have similar genoogy and actually have interbred with cousins for generations in the same villages. palermo province has the most west asian and arab add mixture. but depends.

[@jchow5966]

This is so interesting and well made. ☮️

[@willie417]

10 years ago, his paternal probably been updated, 23andMe updated mine

[@susieq1642]

i believe it, remember the Romans were big over in Egypt and they brought back slaves. i know there maybe a lot of Jews there maybe of the lost tribe in Italy. and the Moors came to Italy and stayed for 500 years.

[@danpress7745]

As a mix person, with mixed children, I do not get the focus on anestry. By far the vast majority of humans are mixed. So....

[@qoqopepper]

For example Sicily is the ‘ball’ that the ‘boot’ of Italy is a hop skip and a HUMP from no. Africa. Sicilians have a nickname: BLACK ITALIANS. Tunisia is the closest and a DAYTRIP

[@juliostevens9480]

Southern Europeans in general are more of an ancient mix. Southern Italy is closely related with the Greeks who can score a lot of Arabic ancestry.

[@GhostSal]

We are closely related to Greeks because we share the same genetic lineage.

[@amandajean7738]

Arabs weren't living in North Africa during the time of the Pharoahs and the early days of the Rome. Arabs would only start settling and colonizing North Africa during the Arabian Conquest of North Africa.

[@skellagyook]

​@@GhostSalGreeks settled thickly/had many colonies in southern Italy/Sicily from ancient (Mycenaean) to Byzantine times. Southern Italians and Sicilians have substantial Greek ancestry.

[@GhostSal]

@@skellagyook Greeks and southern Italians also share the same genetic lineage. Check out the study, “Genomic history of the Italian population recapitulates key evolutionary dynamics of both Continental and Southern Europeans.” The study clearly states differences in northern Italians and southern Italians. Linking those differences both to geographic location causíng evolutionary changes and different genetic lineages. Here are some exerts from the study: “ the well-established cultural and genetic diversity of the Italian population, some of the most outstanding among those observable across the entire European continent” - So the study sets out to find out why there are observable and outstanding differences between northern and southern Italians. “To date, remarkable efforts have elucidated important aspects of the demography of the ancestors of modern Italians, which have contributed to their heterogeneous genetic background”. - Heterogenous means unalike or distinct from one another backgrounds. The researchers noted two different lineages going back to separate places. The team identified traces of post-glacial migrations in those living in northern Italy, who also presented a close relation to ancient European cultures. On the other hand, southern Italians were found to have a close relation with Neolithic human remains from Anatolia, modern-day Turkey, and the Middle East, and with Bronze-Age remains from a region that extends into Africa. “Italian samples turned out to be located on two considerably divergent branches “ - This is the result, we come from two different branches of the evolutionary tree.

[@tiredoftrolls2629]

I have no idea how the haplog groupings work. Shout out to my MENA/SWANA sister!!!

[@BotanicalJourney]

The Mediterranean is one giant vat of genetic material, and Italy is right, smack dab in the middle of it. The Mediterranean was the center of the old world, the crossroads of antiquity, the meeting point of three continents, and much more. No surprises in your father's test for anyone who has ever studied history.

[@user-zb1ri9fn3n]

Moors were in the area for over 300 years...

[@user-zb1ri9fn3n]

When the Moors were forced out of Italy, many went to America.

[@ausonius100]

Yes! As italians you are blacks and so the history of Italy must be fused with black history month! As a white man of hyperborean origin I have been looking forward to this present moment for a loooong time! Julius Caesar, Octavian, Dante, Mazzini, etc. go down to Egypt-land! And dont come back.

[@KingCatsTube]

Lol! Funny!

[@RADIUMGLASS]

The Moors Conquered Sicily and the soldiers were diverse. Soldiers were north African, sub-Saharan African and Arab. It was the Muslim conquest and religion is not tied specifically to one race. With Sicily being so close to Southern Italy it's no surprise that someone from mainland Italy would have these different groups in their DNA.

[@DanteVelasquez]

Thats interesting, I am part Italian (Sicilian) on my father's side, I also have Haplogroup J (J-Z), and I have Egyptian in my report as well as some North African and South Asian. It took about a year for Italian to even show up in my reports (I'm on 23andMe, Ancestry, and MyHeritage). Even then one says north, the other says south and one still doesn't say it. I find it all very fascinating. Thats only part of my father's side, and not even on my mother's side. I am very mixed, and even more than I knew LOL

[@checle4499]

Remember - haplogroup traces ancestry back thousands of years and is one small and ancient part of the story. The autosomal DNA tests trace back a few hundred years, 5-6 generations. The further back you go the less reliable it is because of randomization. All the Mediterrannean countries were seafaring and therfore multicultural. And the Roman world power stretched from the fertile crescent all the way to the UK. Genes got around. I have an Italian friend who has inherited the same blood issue that you are talking about. Her father was 2nd generation Italian in this country. Her mother was 2nd generation English. But her culture is Italian.

[@soniakorchynski]

If you think its strange that someone from Italy would have Egyptian heritage you have never heard of the Roman empire, which started in what is now Italy. Poor Americans don't learn anything basic in school. No Anthony and Cleopatra, nothing. Sad.

[@nazmul_khan_]

Phoenicians and Arabs had colonies in Southern Italy. The Middle Eastern haplogroup comes from their

[@sammievann8352]

The Moorish people invaded Sicily that also plays a contributing role in the Sicilian , Italian gene pool.....the Moors mixed with the Italian/ Sicilian race. Which was a resulting fact of dark skin , hair ect. 💯 % facts.✒️📜 📃 👶🏾👶🏼

[@Adnanbin1985]

I Read a lot of history and I know Sicily and even a lot of southern italy including Calabria where under Islamic arab moorish ule for a long time and I know a lot of food from Sicily in particular has a strong influence from north africa and the arab or Islamic world.Thats why theres a lot of things like pistachios in Sicilian desserts. So that's probably why people of southern italy have that dna segment in them and even some cultural influences. Also the Arab influence came to an end when Norse warriors from Norway came to southern italy by the request of the Pope to kick out the arabs and the greeks from Sicily and south Italy.

[@susangrande8142]

I have a 23 and Me genetic test. One of my big frustrations with it is that it states where a population IS currently with my shared genes, NOT where they were historically. By family story and name, I’m 1/4 German/Italian. My grandfather’s surname was Pozzesi; very Italian. My mother found that sometime one of his ancestors moved from Siena, Italy, settled in Germany, and married a German woman. My grandfather’s family emigrated from what is now called Steczin in Poland. When they left in 1906 or so, it was Stettin, in Germany. The kicker is that 23 and Me says all my German ancestry is from earlier immigrations to the US, and doesn’t address my grandfather’s DNA at all. My husband is an avid reader of European history. He believes that the gene pool of the Germans in/around Stettin was all killed in WWI. So 23 and Me doesn’t have a modern local population’s DNA to sample for their database. To quote Forrest Gump, “Sh!t happens.”

[@GazilionPT]

7:23 That page is for the "J" haplogroup of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), i.e., *maternal* haplogroup. Since "J2a1b" is your father's *paternal* haplogroup, you should visit the page for the "J" haplogroup of Y-chromosome DNA (yDNA).

[@tesmith47]

American identity is based on color, I.E. IF YOU LOOK WHITE ENOUGH YOU ARE WHITE AND IF YOU LOOK BLACK, YOU ARE BLACK

[@jayregal6478]

Not a surprise! If you study the history of Kemet, you will understand your Dad's DNA.

[@delgadojonesable]

Not Egyptian but arab,they are not the original people of the lands called Egypt,your dad probably hads African DNA also❤❤

[@chrissorrels7093]

Men have the Y chromosome and the genetic information encoded in it is the paternal haplo group. It can be used to identify which group of people your father's father's father came from in ancient times. It's not really used to specify an origin country or tribe because that haplo group may be common across countries and continents. Also, it only tells you the history of ONE of your male ancestors. Let's say the code indicated that your ancestors was indigenous American. Great. But you might be only 2% indigenous and 98%of the rest of you is from non indigenous ancestors. Men will have a maternal haplo group from their mothers ancestral line and a paternal ancestral line. Women do not have a paternal haplo group because they don't have the Y chromosome

[@osiruskat]

J2 is normally in a lot of Arabs but it moved around a lot in Europe along with Y DNA E1b1b that originated out of North Africa. Moorish Caliphates did invade Southern Italy and left some of their DNA on the population. The Moors being a multi ethnic group of indigenous North African Amazigh, Arabs from Yemen, NorthWest African Senegalese and Mali along with soldiers from the Kingdom of Ghana all united through the religion of Islam....Most of the Haplogroups Y DNA would be E1b1b, E1b1b1b, E1a, variants of J2, and possibly E1b1a and R-V88.

[@user-xd3ky8tq3p]

@nytn You got mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome mixed up. You've looked up MITOCHONDRIAL J haplogroup, which your father does not have. He has PATERNAL or Y chromosome J haplogroup, and a MATERNAL or MITOCHONDRIAL haplogroup H1N, which is far more common in Europe than in the Middle East. The correct Wikipedia page for his paternal haplogroup is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172 Looks like your dad is a typical European, both on the maternal and the paternal side.

[@stacyfrederick9183]

The ancient world is perplexing. The Mediterranean area is an entity unto itself. The modern nation of Italy did not exist until around 1870. Italy in quotation marks, is really a bunch of individual principalities and ethnic groups.

[@nytn]

exactly!

[@desertdc123]

Yes - and those of us seeking knowledge on our Mediterranean-Etc. heritage while seeing commonalities, are far from being racist as one commentor claims.

[@RoyPounsford]

Has your father done a YDNA with FTDNA, that would help you greatly.

[@laurarollins7467]

I have had tested 3 males(in my family ) YDNA at FTDNA to be certain of the report. It's pricey but the best!

[@Frodojack]

There's an academic book (P. G. P. Meyboom, The Nile mosaic of Palestrina: early evidence of Egyptian religion in Italy, Religions in the Graeco-Roman world, vol. 121, [Brill, 1995]) that documents the Egyptian presence in Italy going back to the 2nd century BCE, where they often worked in professional occupations, but also as soldiers and slaves. We know that Muslim Arabs (actually they were mostly Amizgh Berbers from modern Tunisia) occupied Sicily for centuries until they were expelled in 1240. Under Spanish rule from 1516-1713 there were Muslim converts to Christianity (Moriscos) who settled in Sicily, although most of them may have been Iberians who had converted to Islam when Spain was under Muslim rule and so would not necessarily have North African ancestry. There may also have been Coptic Christians who fled persecution in Egypt and who settled in Sicily. So the two most likely Egyptian origins are either Roman-era immigration from Egypt, or more recent Copt asylum-seekers.