The J-20 is CHINA's AIR FORCE jewel BUT if you DIG a bit ...

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

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[@zeblanmaidaynovich796]

But if you trolls dig a bit you don't know nothing about anything only fake news😂😃😆DIZ!

[@venkateshsoundarajan]

@@zeblanmaidaynovich796 Is it? So let's hear your views. 😉 😜

[@HIMANSHUPURI313]

Infinix inside Iphone box 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZaChYmO]

The CCPs grand state of the art copy of an F22, the J20 with a foot print of a B-52 Stratofortress and the speed of a A-10 Warthog/Thundebolt 2 lol 👏🏼 Mediocre CCP as expected..🤷🏻‍♂️

[@life1042]

I hate you lol ! That elephant scared the crap out of me 😂🤣 1:56am here in Australia

[@dksl9899]

I know we're all serious aviation analysts here... but does anyone else secretly want to see Otis have a friendly argument with Binkov's sock puppet?

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Tell Binkov! I am sure Otis will happily oblige! 😆

[@JAnx01]

Kudos for creating this character. It adds value to your lore.

[@marcbrasse747]

@@JAnx01 Yah, until AI takes over everything. Soon he'll be the only remaining presenter!

[@sicnarfvlad]

Nah Binkov's analysis is a joke

[@iainbaker6916]

@@marcbrasse747 “And I for one welcome our new Otis overlord…” 😜

[@jwzjwz2003cn]

It's a plane that fits China's needs. a long range interceptor with large internal bay to carry multiple PL-15s. A squadron of them can quickly overwhelm opponent airforces with a surprise attack of dozens of PL-15s from 200kms and beyond. Then the rest of the work can be left to the more agile and cheaper Chinese flankers(j11 and su-35) or J-10s.

[@vascoespañol]

is not stealth, underpowered....a fraud

[@JCNEOHK]

@@vascoespañol paper made, just like your brain

[@truenews8357]

@@vascoespañol lie, lie, ... and lie Go spread falsehoods elsewhere.

[@sean70729]

@@truenews8357 It is underpowered and the steal is questionable.

[@truenews8357]

@@sean70729 You're trying to tell me a top speed of mach 2 and a thrust to weight ratio higher than 1 is underpowered? What are you smoking?

[@MothMizzle]

13:09 - When I first started reading about this aircraft several years ago I didn't see a plane designed to go toe-to-toe with a Raptor or Flanker, but as you said an interceptor meant to snipe AWACs and tankers.

[@markbrisec3972]

This assessment of the J-20's role was floating on the internet from the very first sighting of the aircraft. It's big, it's fast and it has a relatively low radar cross section from the frontal aspect. Little babies could predict that the J-20 was designed as a high value target (HVT) terminator. But the USAF wasn't too worried about the J-20 until the information of the newly developed very long range a2a missile surfaced. The P-21 a2a missile with an estimated range of over 150-180 miles got the Pentagon worried since this type of missile has a capability to take down slow and lumbering targets at those distances. Targets like the AWACS and tankers. USAF is tackling the problem of AWACS by making the F-35 a miniature AWACS of a kind, but the problem of tankers won't be solved until K-Y program, or the next gen stealthy tanker becomes a reality. Until then our front line fighters will have to take down the incoming J-20s with the soon to be operational AIM-260 long range a2a missile. That's a short term solution. In the mid term AFRL is developing an even longer range air to air missile called the LREW or the long range engagement weapon. Just recently Boeing revealed it's competitor for this extremely long range missile family called Long range air to air missile or LRAAM (yeah I know, very inventive naming). Both of these missiles have two stage rocket motors with the first stage falling of after using up its fuel. In this category we're talking about ranges exceeding 250-300 miles.. Truly amazing.

[@anuvisraa5786]

and launch anti radiation missiles a lot of them

[@accountantthe3394]

I know your comment was made 2yrs back but this is a dated assessment as it's now widely believed to be an air superiority fighter. The stealth and BVR missiles along with its long range makes it a perfect asset over the pacific against other fighters.

[@sdwboss]

Holy crap 6:10 nearly gave me a fecking heart attack!! I did not expect this from my usual, relaxing dose of Millennium 7 * HistoryTech videos!!!

[@euunul]

Me too. Lol.

[@nityanshsingh6002]

Ya

[@乔·拜登-d6p]

吓死我了

[@tonypaca3015]

me too rsrsrs

[@koenmatton5036]

You adressed the elephant in the room

[@obsidianstatue]

Great analysis, Finally, someone on KZbin debunked the notion that Canards are inherently unstealthily When aligned and designed at the right angle relative to the body of the fighter, then it's just another control surface. From the flight demonstrations in airshows, even in tight maneuvers the J-20 canards do not go beyond 5 degrees of deviation.

[@LRRPFco52]

Many of the ASTOVL, MRF, and JAST designs had delta/canard wing layouts.

[@patrickweaver1105]

Inherently no but they're either compromising the canard as a control surface or the stealth or both. I suspect they're trying to do too many things an once.

[@michaelngan99]

@@LRRPFco52 US did not used Canards in their production fighters, because back in the early 1980, the flight control computers are still primitive, they can not handle complexity of the Canards added to the flight regime. It was only during the latter half of 1990's that computers were finally powerful enough.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@michaelngan99 The US led the way with fly-by-wire digital flight control systems, and laid the foundation for DFLCS-controlled coupled and de-coupled canard flight control on multiple aircraft designs from no later than the very early 1970s. The YF-4E fly-by-wire test vehicle was fitted with canards and electronic FLCS in 1972. We jointly worked with our NATO partners on ECA/EFA, which became the EF Typhoon, with the international scientific exchange program to that effort already beginning in the late 1970s. How do I know? Because that's the whole reason my family PCS'd to West Germany to work on it at the Luftwaffe Flight Test Center near Munich, doing post-stall maneuvering flight control algorithms for ECA. Then back at Edwards in the 1980s, I watched the X-29A test program while we were on B-1B and F-16C, and it had canards, and a triple-redundant DFLCS. First flight was 1984. Then there was the F-15 STOL/MTD with canards, DFLCS, 2D TV, then MATV with F/A-18 H-stabs used as canards already in 1988. Rockwell International also worked in-conjunction with the Germans on the X-31 at Edwards, which used B-1B guide vane spindle flight control systems, which were developed for the B-1A in the late 1960s and 1970s. There wasn't a research center and institutional knowledge base anywhere in the world even close to the levels of test and accumulated actual flight data with DFLCS-driven canards as AFFTC. I literally watched these programs develop in real-time on-site.

[@michaelngan99]

@@LRRPFco52 "The US led the way with fly-by-wire digital flight control systems" Yes, that might be so in the 1980's and 1990's, but China and Russia has catched up. Their J-20 and Su-57 have superelative performances.

[@andtam008]

The indigenous build WS10 engine has been installed to J20 recently. The engine will be upgraded to WS15 as soon as WS15 is ready and available.

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

thank you for making this fantastic video about the mysterious J-20, I know it wasn't easy and I really appreciate the work you put in this, just make sure OTIS didn't do any illegal hacking.......again

[@dduay]

Easy if you understand Chinese. Tons of info in Chinese.

[@paulkauss9346]

J 20 looks alright, I like the old school jets though like the f-15 still look awesome, j 20 looks cool, but I'd take a murdered out eagle with my flag on it.

[@faceclutch5555]

The best informative J-20 video on the web... Without the fanboyism or other bias. Facts. Loved it! Thanks.

[@cannonfodder4376]

A Chengdu J-20 video!? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one. I just love how much your Aerospace Engineering background shines through in these videos. In addition to external configuration analysis, your well reasoned yet cautious analysis of the underlying airframe structure was very enlightening. As always there is more than meets the eye, so much math and engineering to make everything work. Such work is underappreciated and your ability to condense and explain such concepts to us is the mark of an expert. And on the topic of Canards and Stealth, if one also looks at the trailing edges of canards, they are also aligned with the trailing edges of the opposite wing. This combined with RAM and careful alignment and shaping of the mounting surfaces as you point out would greatly mitigate or even eliminate the issues encountered by others with canards. It really annoys me how dismissive of the careful work put into RCS reduction most Western analysts are of it. Blithely saying that the elimination of the Canards would fix that issue with little regard to other considerations all while also claiming it to be inferior to the F-22 and 35. And from airshow footage, it appears quite adequate with its current powerplant. Probably not as good as the current Su-57 is in rate-fighting and acceleration but given its mission and flight profile, plenty adequate until the new WS-15 is ready. Although I find the absence of a gun to be the most curious and disadvantageous aspect about it. Although with the advances in seeker designs and the need to shove other things where the gun and ammo could go, the Chinese have made a well considered trade off. And its not like the F-35B/C pilots are clamoring for an integral gun after all. All in all, a Fantastic video. The best on KZbin on the J-20, let alone most of the English speaking part of the internet. Your knowledge plus careful consideration of good resources puts most others to shame.

[@LRRPFco52]

For a stealth interceptor in the 3rd decade of the 21st Century, there is no relevance for any cannon, which would only rob space for fuel. This seems to be more like a blend of MiG-31 with F-22 & F-35 as a long range VLO Interceptor for aerial access denial, that can overmatch any 4.5 Gen fighter, and enjoy IR sensor advantage over the F-22A.

[@harkamelrandhawa7125]

@@LRRPFco52So would you day the age of dogfighting is over? I think there still is a place for old school dog fighting maybe not purely guns but certainly short range missiles fired from a good position.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@harkamelrandhawa7125 Not only have guns fights been over for the most part since Linebacker II, rear quadrant IR missile fights have been over since the 1990s. The Python-3, introduced into Israeli service in the late 1970s, set the tone for things to come and accounted for 35 of the 84 kills over Bekaa Valley in 1982. How many guns kills from USAF F-15Cs in Desert Storm? None-they were mostly AIM-7M with a few AIM-9M, average distances compared to Bekaa Valley '82 were much farther. Iraq No-Fly Zones? AIM-120A Balkans in the 1990s? AIM-120s Syria? More drones being used, but several intercepts have been mostly done by Turkish F-16Cs with AIM-120C5s at distance. Closer kills have been F-15E vs Iranian drones. Nobody wants to get near each other when Helmet-cued Python-5s, R-73s, R-74s, AIM-9Xs, ASRAAMs, IRIS-Ts, and PL-8s are just a head-snap away. New ASRAAM, AIM-9X BLK II, IRIS-T, and R-74 are BVR missiles as well with extended range motors. Why would anybody want to get in a close-in fight with these types of weapons already 3 generations into service? It forces fighter designs to have better sensors and low observability, with longer-reach weapons.

[@harkamelrandhawa7125]

@@LRRPFco52 Awesome insight. I was thinking with towed decoys and low observability would add difficulties for radar guidance. The examples you given are very good I was thinking of hypothetical near peer oppononets. Flying flight sims and taking missile shots at tough opponents to me seem unlikely to score a kill unless fired from a favorable position. As you out it a rear quadrant ir missile is more likely to score a kill than firing at an opponent head on. But you have given great examples above to illustrate most air to air victories have been by missile kills. The achievements by the Israeli air force is laudable given the size and demographics of the country. I think it also demonstrates there's no place for low budget fighters like jf17 or tejas other than close support or light attack runs.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@harkamelrandhawa7125 One of the most overlooked aspects of VLO technology is IR spectrum concealment measures. F-22A and JSF Variants have extensive IR concealment, which effectively make legacy IR missiles and IRSTs useless. The Su-57 1st-stage prototypes showed no indications of IR stealth, then there was a major change to the engine cowlings with the 2nd stage prototypes continued on production models. There are photos of their production line that show the increased volumetric space for the thermal blankets around the Su-57 motors, but this developed as an afterthought it seems. On the later Izdeliye-30 motor, they are trying to incorporate both multi-axis thrust vectoring and LOAN as an afterthought to designing the airframe. I believe these are just 2 of the reasons why we don't see a production-ready Izdeliye-30 motor yet. The cold air channeling on F-22 & JSF was a baseline imperative for structures, propulsion, cooling, and overall systems integration. The J-20 production samples show a copycat approach taken from F-35 if you look at the serrated engine cowling transition to LOAN nozzles. This indicates that the J-20 likely enjoys IR signature reduction measures that negate legacy all-aspect IR missiles. The French released some OSF IRST/TV imagery of F-22As both in burner and mil power. They were extremely low-contrast images compared to other fighters, where you would normally see an overwhelming thermal plume in the rear, with radiating creep over the rear of the airframe. So if you somehow manage to get within parameters with outdated weapons, you still don't have solutions. One of the main, very guarded comments from senior LTC and Col pilots who transitioned to JSF was that we need new weapons to match the capabilities of 5th Gen fighters.

[@casbot71]

*There really needs to be a air to air combat competition at the Olympic Games.*

[@appa609]

There should be fighter jets at reno air race

[@AccordGTR]

War is not sport or a game, that's a silly idea. Besides, it's about tactics, radar and weapons. Unlike sport, where all conditions are regulated and controlled to be fair.

[@rylian21]

A stealth fighter capable of penetrating deep enough to down an AWACs or tanker is a scary proposition.

[@-qsprey7881]

I don't think that the design mission of the j20 is just to hunt down large targets in the air at low speeds. If this is the case, the super statically unstable design of its front canard and large wing strake are meaningless. This may be the aircraft with the highest static instability in the aviation fleet. Generally, the big strack and canard can only choose one of the two, and the J20 has both. Just letting it fly requires unprecedented complexity. Flight control. The advantage is excellent lift-to-drag ratio and agility. Of course it hasn't been shown yet. Could it be the engine problem?However, due to the excellent aerodynamics and slender geometric design, the official media has disclosed that even the existing engine is sufficient to support the j20 to cruise at 1.2 mach.

[@matheuscerqueira7952]

Delta canard makes sense for a big game hunter as it is very efficient, meaning it can go further to find prey. Maybe with the new engines it can become really maneuverable, without them it loses energy too fast

[@gw5436]

Don't be fooled. All the video of it really flying is CGI

[@SvenTviking]

The problem is it’s supposed to be a stealth aircraft and canards ruin stealth. There were claims that the Chinese hacked the F35 design computers. I wonder if they got deliberately fed false information? It was BAE that got hacked, one wonders if GCHQ was involved?

[@-qsprey7881]

@@SvenTviking If you watched this video carefully, you should understand that through targeted optimization design, the damage to stealth by the front canard of the j20 is not so great. With the progress of supercomputers, the simulation of electromagnetic wave propagation in engineering has been It can be done quite accurately, and can simulate the scattering of electromagnetic waves by complex geometric configurations, which in the past cannot be done by computers, so in the era of f22 and b2 design, in order to simplify the calculation, most stealth aircraft do not use curved surface design, but now It’s different. You can see many designs on f35 that were originally considered bad for stealth (such as a lot of bulges and curved surfaces). In fact, they did not destroy the invisibility, because now we can quantitatively analyze and optimize the reflection of complex curved surfaces. The canard of j20 is the same here, you have to know that China is also a supercomputer power.

[@nickl5658]

@@SvenTviking Nah. If you get fed a bad design, you will quickly find out it is a bad design. China can make its own super computers.

[@tobuslieven]

0:54 The main wings look so far back, it almost makes the canards look like a tandem wing configuration.

[@yinsucui135]

would like to see a video on the FC-31 (or J-35) new carrier based stealth fighter. Thank you for your very enligthening videos !

[@vlhc4642]

You don't build 200+ units of a plane to kill tankers. And you don't leave the mission of hunting down F-35 to flankers. J-20 fills the one and most obvious mission for PLAAF, total air dominance against F-22/F-35, simple as that.

[@osakanone]

"And I shorted the switch a long time ago, sir" Oh dear.

[@simonyip5978]

The Chinese aviation industry just 20 years ago was still making updated models of the J-7 (Mig-21). Today, China has 250 x J-20 (each costing $100 million). They are also building J-35/J-16/J-10/JL-10/JL-9/Y-9/Y-20/KJ-2000/KJ-500/KJ-600/Zhi-18/Zhi-20/Zhi-19/Zhi-10 and various civilian aircraft and UAV and drones. That is an amazing achievement by anyone's standards, and if they have achieved so much in such a short time, what will they be able to do in 10 or 20 years from now? Picking faults, even though very little is known about the J-20 is a bit petty, because the fact that they have chosen to manufacture 200/250 already and are building 40-50+ every year, at the cost of $100,000,000 per aircraft is evidence of how capable it really is.

[@Ni999]

Sunday morning is not on until Otis appears. No surprise that he took measures to guard his power supply. Love hearing the original audio theme introducing the Performance chapter. It's iconic. One nitpick - I doubt that they would be using GPS for ordnance satellite guidance - I'd expect BDS there. Great episode, wonderful work, lots to think about,

[@thesatyajit7]

What you think about AMCA project?

[@Ni999]

@@thesatyajit7 I think it's a very ambitious project and I hope that it works out.

[@BV-fr8bf]

J-20 has 26,000 lbs of internal fuel? *Wow*, that is 3,800 gallons of fuel! An F-22 is Fuel capacity: internal: 18,000 pounds (8,200 kilograms); F-22 with 2 external wing fuel tanks: 26,000 pounds (11,900 kilograms)

[@icecold9511]

Last I heard, the 22 doesn't carry external stores.

[@BV-fr8bf]

@@icecold9511The F-22 can be equipped with four external pylons, two beneath each wing. These extra hardpoints are intended primarily for ferry missions, but each can be configured www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-weapons.htm

[@nkill6]

Yeah but that's probably because the engines aren't efficient

[@michaelngan99]

It is probable that J-20 could carry 12 tons of internal fuel plus 4 external fuel tanks. J-20 is 4 meter or 12 feet longer than F-22 from Nose to Nozzle.

[@nickl5658]

J-20 is a bigger than F-22. More important is actual range rather than fuel capacity.

[@appa609]

I assume it'll do exactly what F22's do. Including killing fighters. A flight of J-11's won't fare well against a flight of F-35's but adding a few J20's to the mix can change the risk tolerance a lot

[@slycer876]

Yeah no most fighters would pick up the j20 since it's stealth is suppose to be worse than su57

[@t74guard78]

Oh you know what they say about assuming. Usually ends up making the assumer a fool. Just like it did now. The J-20 is a 4.5 Gen fighter. It can't touch the F-22. It's not stealthy or have the ability to supercruise. An Indian SU30 not only picked it up on radar, but also was able to track it which if the Inidan pilot wanted to, he could have fired a missile at it. It can no way turn with the F-22 either. 4th gen fighters like the F-15, F-16 and the F-18 are more or less on equal terms with the J-20. The only thing adding J-20 to a flight of J-11 will do against the F-35 is give it more targets to shoot at. It wouldn't change a thing other than what I just said. Hell the J-20 doesn't even have a gun which is a huge mistake. The US found out about that lesson way back in Vietnam. Dogfights weren't suppose to happen back then either but they did and will still happen. Being gunless is a fighter pilots nightmare.

[@slycer876]

@@t74guard78 yeah j20 can't even supercruise without the new engines and isn't manuverable enough then as u said it has no gun

[@slycer876]

@@t74guard78 and if the f22 went 1 circle it would beat the j20 but I don't know if it can outrate the f22 in a 2 circle but yeah the f22 is better than the j20

[@slycer876]

Also 1 more things the j20 look exactly like the mig44 I know some people are gonna say it was copied from the d22 but it's not only the stealth was copied from the f22 and f35 and yeah they didn't even copy it good cause it's stealth is not existent.

[@ExpatZ266]

Good analysis, th scenario analysis is compelling, I am sure we shall find out more over time.

[@MrTryAnotherOne]

Highly interesting. Keep up good work. Not too many people focus objectively on the chinese air force. Btw, two days ago there was an article on "The Drive" about the FC-31 "China’s Carrier-Capable Naval Stealth Fighter Has Flown". Just in case you are interested.

[@justinlance4174]

Yes everyone knows chinese wepons are capable. But they have their issues.

[@WildBillCox13]

J20 MTOW 81K pounds. P38L MTOW 21,600 pounds. F4 Phantom II MTOW: 61K pounds. F22 MTOW: 83,500 pounds. B17F MTOW: 65,500 pounds Hughes H-4 Hercules "Spruce Goose" MTOW (estimated): 500,000 pounds.

[@someonethatuveneverseen3158]

Dear Millennium, thank you for your vids especially about air to air missiles. Im from Russia and we havent such a channel in our segment of youtube with explanation of how different seekers does work. It has encouraged me to read some soviet and western literature about this theme and actually now I know what kind of job I gonna do after admission to the university and graduating from it. Seekers, especially with radar homing, are very complicated devices and because of that I find them really beautiful as a mix of mechanics, electronics, sometimes optics or microwave radar engineering. I wish you good luck with the channel, and, of course, hello from Russia!

[@sundownofsweden]

That elephant scared the shit out of me🤣

[@vickydroid]

Bravo, was looking forward to this, after that naval channel you sent us to yesterday with the giant Chinese CATOBAR carrier in construction and the emergence of the J-35 navalised prototype, this J-20 as a HVT interceptor/Interdictor seems to point to the development of a very sensible and mature force mix, even using their 4.5 Gen assets. fighters. Proof of the pudding will come from their operations I guess.

[@bigwildcat2020]

I think you made a typo...F-35 instead of J-35. Common mistake, understand.

[@vickydroid]

@@bigwildcat2020 Thanks. BWC, don't think we know the real designation of the flying prototype of the navalised fighter derived from the FC-31 yet, it was a tongue in cheek reference to its similarity to the F35. Is there a Chinese name for this fighter in the press yet?

[@cassius_eu5970]

Could you link me the CATOBAR video please? :)

[@gelinrefira]

Yea. What the Chinese forces need is more training, especially in the mix force arena where all assets, ground, air and sea can coordinate and work flexibily to complete complex mission objectives. They have the hardware now, and if they can't use them properly it is still going to be a waste. Training matters.

[@pangzhiyu8098]

@@vickydroid J-35 (歼-35) for now. Do take note that the FC-31 was more of a testing platform for future technologies. Proven tech will probably be trasnferred to the J-35.

[@simonyip5978]

The achievements of China are often ignored or under stated, but the fact that a country that is bigger than the US and twice the size of Europe, with the biggest population, has been able to grow from being a poor and backward nation back in the early 1980's, to being the second strongest superpower on earth, with the second biggest economy in the world. The average wages of China are about 7 times more than the average wages in India, the standard of living in China is fast approaching the same quality as most European countries. They have some of the most advanced technology in the world, they can design and manufacture virtually anything, they are increasingly better educated, the average height of young Chinese men is about 4 or 5 centimetres taller than the average just 30 years ago (due to much better nutrition and living standards, interestingly the average height of Indian men is actually shorter than it was in the early 1990's!!). My point is that they have achieved amazing success and it's surely better for the world to have a strong, prosperous, advanced and stable China than a poor and backward China. The whole world should at least acknowledge their success.

[@tomas7158]

That elephant maked me jump. 👍 Aw, it seems that it dont have the EW that we see EFT has or Gripen E, F35 and so on. And yes its true that they all trying to solve the same issue with the same knowings. In a way its not all bad. So far you havent let us down. If we would know more of this we probably got to have a tailor made suite.

[@Kyujin666]

Bloody hell! That elephant gave me a fright! Lol, great video

[@HumbleFahad]

Real combat is a different story altogether. Pilot skills will always play a key role in any air combat.

[@douginorlando6260]

I suspect the J20 WSO will sometimes be used on missions to shepherd a couple antiship drone truck vehicles ... Drone trucks comparable to a J20 but optimized to carry a huge internal hypersonic gliding antiship missile (no canopy, no cockpit, stripped down sensors, no radar, 3 or 4G max turn rate, etc). Also, the J20 WSO will likely manage mini drone swarms (possibly released by the loyal drone truck).

[@gregorycaccivio2033]

too many science fiction films for this guy

[@douginorlando6260]

Gregory Caccivio ... stay bold, stay confident. That worked out real well for the Polish cavalry which boasted they were the best of any cavalry ... in 1939. And the House Armed Services Committee is not watching Sci Fi movies

[@iwantyourcookiesnow]

I suspect it will never be used in any conflict whatsoever

[@michaelngan99]

"I suspect the J20 WSO will sometimes be used on missions to shepherd a couple antiship drone truck vehicles ..." Yes, there is now a two-seater J-20 for this role of commanding a swarm of drones.

[@saltyshackles5227]

Great video and overview. Honestly, in my opinion (which is jackshit with aircraft 😂) fighters don't need to be the best. If the Chinese have a great set of sensors and weapons systems on the J20 then it's enough. Case in point; Falklands war, Mirage vs Harrier. If the war goes hot, expect to hear of entire air wings wiped out in 20 seconds by anti-air destroyers like Type 45. The sensors and weapon systems are insanely overlooked. The downside is munitions can be expended in several seconds, leaving them with only the auto cannon and point defense systems.

[@Pikilloification]

Your example is 40 years old. Look at how much technology and tactics evolved between ww1 and 2 in half that length of time. Apply that to nowadays, where it goes even faster: you can't look that far in the past and expect it being relevant nowadays...

[@yang5159]

Destroyers missiles cannot reach J20

[@jcgongavoe337]

For my knowledge, the canards and verticla stablizers, 'fins' are made with material with less rader presence, the internal structures are also redesigned to better absorb radar waves

[@jamysalmeida18]

Best channel of military plane analysis!!!

[@lilleparber]

Freaking elefant made me jump. :)

[@pavansaik6939]

great video but still a lot of unknowns because the Chinese govt won't let us know the full info I guess. could you make a bit more detailed video about why canards are not seen as a stealth feature for the 5th gen aircraft?

[@brucebaxter6923]

Yay, Firefox episode. God that things beautiful, the configuration a fighter should be.

[@CautionCU]

More indication that the Chinese military is heavily focused towards defense in a regional conflict, i.e. a deterrent force. Good news indeed.

[@JonathanHerz]

One of the better analyses I’ve seen on the topic on KZbin

[@maxpayne8761]

The j-20 is a beautiful looking Sleek looking jet

[@Logan_93]

Sleek? Its gigantic

[@marcbrasse747]

I think this assumed lack of torsional rigidity should not been overestimated. The fuselages stealthy / flying body contouring towards the inner delta leading edges can be seen as extremely strong triangular pontoons running along both sides. Furthermore there seems to be a clear rib between bot weapons bays. It could also be the lower edge of a similar (semi--)triangular rib since weapons tend to be sort of round / cruciform in cross section. Of course all this seems rather unhealthy if one looks a things from the old stretched skin adagium but in reality things are never that simple. Trellis frames in motorcycles have proven the relativity of open sided chassis weight penalties ages ago. And as far as aircraft ere concerned. Ever heard of the Vickers Wellington? It's not known as a block of concrete either. :-)

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

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[@kavindudisanayaka3660]

I love to 🇷🇺+🇨🇳❤️❤️❤️

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

When you see a team practicing for a game, they always make spectacular plays. The real test comes when the team meets a powerful opponent. Then, the boasting notwithstanding, the truth is revealed.

[@kamsingchoo4332]

These are only plastic toys, if that's what you mean with your PhD.!

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

@@kamsingchoo4332 Iran recently revealed its "stealth fighter" but accidentally let a couple of reporters close enough to examine it. It was made of plywood and had no engine.

[@Driendel]

"No plan survives contact with the enemy" seems to make more sense every day.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

As the tail-fins are all-moving they should be called rudders and the ones on the ventral side strakes as they don't move.

[@blech71]

Really good video! Thanks again for the research. As I always say, you’re a great content creator digging all that juicy OSI for us. Just like Cpt Jive Turkey for all things subs and navy… I like your channel all things air!

[@edisonone]

Airplane enthusiasts alike... Here's my take: let's just say that the configuration suggests that where there are F-106 Thunderchiefs, where there are A-5 Vigilantes, and where there are F-111 Aardvarks, there are or there have to be alternative systems *of the same gist behind it* where -- all forward bases i.e., Guam, Clark, Yoko, Okinawa, Adamant Islands, secretive QUAD sites in central/northern India are all placed in *COMBAT RANGE*. Other words: nothing mysterious about this El Condor Pasa as it clearly is a beast designed for deep penetration destroy and destruct operations in the event a Dr. Strangelove of kind turns up in China's doorstep hence the Chinese have no choice *BUT TO MAKE ALL PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES and PREPARATIONS*.... We live in a dog eat dog world where operation dessert storms, operation enduring free.... free... cundems.... and operations al'Quadafi's seems to rein supreme. For that, I don't think anyone can blame the Chinese for what they are doing cuz, if we are in their shoes, we do no less... So, blame it on the superpowers for building deadlier and deadlier killing machines when they should know that such a genie, if let out of the bottle, is never ever going to go back into it again -- EVER! .

[@TuxPanther]

I think I will never get tired of the Elephant in the room joke. Please continue to do it.

[@aarontan1810]

Very good review. Yes, looks like J20 focuses on stealth, supersonic performance and range. Hit and run can still threat Su57 or even F22, especially the Su57 as its radar is not good enough. A smart decision as apparently China doesn't have proper engine for 5th gen fighter, for now.

[@stc2828]

Su75 puts a big focus on radar, it has very powerful radars. It just have very bad stealth in the same time. J20 would be a massive threat to the US navy.

[@aarontan1810]

@@stc2828 I feel like Navy's fighters are too slow... it's not good. Looks like su 75 is better than su 57 in terms of stealth. Actually, according to another video from this channel, su 57 has actually very smart design to fight stealth planes.

[@stc2828]

@@aarontan1810 Considering Russia would produce su57 at a rate of like 10 planes per year, I find it hard to believe they would have money to put su75 into service before it becomes obsolete.

[@Alexinmy]

it looks like..........................and what about now?

[@Alexinmy]

@Huang Jianhao “doesn't have proper engine” but why replace Russians, if WS15 not for 5th G Engine.

[@zhanxu125]

This is already the video for 2022! The latest WS-10C engine has reached the thrust of the primary WS-15. The latest model of WS-15 engine has already achieved a thrust of 18.5 tons! And the lifespan of the engine has also been significantly improved. I didn't expect such great progress in just two years!

[@holystatic]

It make sense for J-20 to use for denied critical assets such as AWAC or tanker though. PLAAF know they are as disadventage in direct confrontation with USAF. But if they can cripple US support assets or limit their range. They can still maintain home adventage.

[@sean70729]

Their entire combat doctrine revolves around area denial only participating in events they already know they can win is deeply ingrained in the culture thus limiting the ability to think outside the box hence all the copying and taking a belligerent stance yet building a highly defensive military.

[@sean70729]

It will be quite a shock when the J-20 finds itself locked up by multiple UCAVS protecting the very assets it was designed to destroy.

[@randomthot125]

@@sean70729 Ok, armchair general.

[@mikael5938]

agree. and they builds tons of them so they can be all over western pacific in just a few years.It will limit american air power alot.

[@LRRPFco52]

The combat radius of the J-20 says a lot about it being used for area access denial against large recon/surveillance and support aircraft. It makes protecting those platforms even more taxing, so effectively presents a major deterrent force structure for counter-air.

[@philatwood2086]

Well produced, informative and entertaining... a real Hat Trick..

[@SPEARHEADGLOBAL]

Sir you look and sound like my Italian professor ! And he is awesome..

[@adanm603]

That damn elephant scared the living daylights out of me! Thank you M7.

[@grantchang81976]

J20MIGHTYDRAGON is yes for real a revamped FB35LIGHTNING2

[@rokuth]

That elephant surprised me.

[@freefall0483]

No gun is very stupid. The idea of stealth is limiting detection range. With opposing aircraft both limiting detection range, isn't it logical that the possibility of close range dogfighting has increased with the onset of stealth?

[@F2007KR]

If it turns into a knife fight, the battle will likely be won by Fox-2s in the first couple turns.

[@Jake-dh9qk]

There's no point in having guns for dogfights if the jets arent designed for dogfighting. It will just get slaughtered. It's like giving a sniper an m4 and tell him to go do a room clearing.

[@freefall0483]

@@Jake-dh9qk If it's not designed for dogfighting, it's a shit design.

[@0MoTheG]

Why does everyone obsess about the LO of canards? They can be made of composite and the fuselage kept smooth.

[@michaelngan99]

"Why does everyone obsess about the LO of canards? " Because they are stupid, but like to pretend they are experts.

[@rougeangle1]

2:26 that's what she said

[@KOKONAGAMI]

Your deserved to have 1million + subscribers you're good keep it up

[@myronplichota7965]

Wilbur and Orville Wright were on to something.

[@michaelngan99]

They used Canards and that's why they were the first one to take flight. Canards naturally compensate the pitching up tendency of the plane, so stall won't happen easily. Many early poineers were killed when their aircraft stalled in mid air, and crashed onto the ground.

[@jiokl7g9t6]

The irts is in front of the cockpit but is uncover. It rises up when deployed

[@RAAFLightning1]

I love how its stealth yet its engines are fully exposed and have no thermal conduction to make them less visible to IR.... also it is massive, like the Su57.

[@tomtom4405]

I have still no idea how to rate this plane 2 years later It looks fast maybe even super cruise - what would that do to ram coatings? But what's in the nose, can it passively identify targets, can it coordinate as a 4 ship, I've no info on its capabilities beyond it looks good as a range patrol aircraft with reduced observability

[@The136th]

J-20 just got the new WS-15 engine for super cruise and super manoeuvrability. also J-20 have shown to be superior to F-35 during their encounter over East China sea

[@orebabaalibaba]

I like the way you have improved the lighting of your studio. May be a good idea if you publish generations and version numbers for your on video looks 😜

[@magnushogstrom4756]

Fascinating video! I wonder if the wing design/lifting body configuration can be seen as having some design philosophy similar to the old J35 Draken or the F16XL?

[@michaelngan99]

The canard, all moving vertical tail, 3D TVC, wing design/lifting body configuration of J-20 is designed for the highest lift co-efficient, most efficient supercruising performance and extreme agility.

[@cody42069420]

Great videos just subbed. Looking forward to more in the future. Hope whatever you dealing with is over quickly and harmlessly! Thanks for the great info!

[@ex0duzz]

J20, anti imperial beauty.. what a beautiful design and look. One of my favourite looking planes ever, along with Russian flanker and f22. And su57 of course. Russians make some badass looking jets and helicopters

[@cherrydeathclaw]

sad that its a shite plane

[@MA_KA_PA_TIE]

Anti imperial? J20 is built to make them an empire. The chinese are already taking territory 1 salami slice at a time.

[@ex0duzz]

@@MA_KA_PA_TIE they haven't taken anything. No war for 40 years and counting, and even the ones before that were border disputes and not imperialist in nature. Even after beating India in 62, china left unilaterally and returned all the gains they made. Same as in north Korea after defeating usa, SK and 17 other UN countries, china went home and let north Korea be a sovereign country not a Chinese puppet or nk policy dictated by china. Compare with south Korea, occupied forever and a vassal state of usa. Same as Japan. China has 1, 2 oversea bases. Usa has 800. China spends less than 2% of it's gdp on military. Usa spends 4%+ and spends more than the next 10 countries combined, and those 10 countries are mainly US closest military allies with military treaties. China has anti imperial foreign policy and never has allies or small circles of influence, making coalitions(going around UN and ignoring international law, aka illegal bombings and invasions) to gang up and attack other countries. Right now usa is bombing 7 countries as we speak, and they have been for the last 2-3 decades now. All those bombings are illegal. In the last 250 years, usa has been at war for all of them except for 17 years or so. That's imperialism. Not just because china built a few J20s to defend itself and counter usas own 5th gen fighters, and all usas allies surrounding china who usa is also arming with those jets and all advanced weaponry. Building anti china coalitions, trying to split china up and funding separatists, extremists, terrorist's, etc etc. That's imperialist, and that's what usa does nonstop since ww2 till now. Not china's possible war in your future which hasn't happened in 42 years and counting. A few rocks/reefs under dispute in south china sea is nothing in the grand scheme of things and it's really about china defending itself from being contained by usa and its allies doing containment of china with the "first island chain strategy". Google it if you don't know what I'm talking about. It was Philippines and Vietnam which militarized and stole all the islands to begin with. Of course china needs to defend it's rightful territory. There's a reason why usa didn't support Vietnam or phillipines even though the dispute has been going for decades now. There's a reason even taiwan has the same claims as china, but even BIGGER. That's because chinas claims are legitimate and backed by history and facts.

[@ThatGuyWayOverThere]

@@ex0duzz thats a lot of typing for 50 cent.

[@ThatGuyWayOverThere]

@@ex0duzz the US can have that many bases on foreign soil because they have strong reliable allies arround the world. China's only real ally is a hermit kingdom.

[@K_GHOST225]

I was just hoping you'd make this video when I saw the notification!

[@jibankumarkonsam1819]

China has shown their capabilities of the journey to Mar just after 4/5 month after successful landing by USA and tested the six generation aircraft recently. This is one step advanced by China to fulfill the "Star Trek" series into reality.

[@jt-vj4sl]

Being a Bomber (main)/Fighter (secondary), it is mainly designed to kill air refueling planes and long distant attack missions ( both land and sea) . It is enough to threaten neighbors who lack stealth capability and air defense. It is not for air superiority fight with F22, Su-57. But it is plenty good for sneak attack (aka Pearl Harbor) on US and allied forces in western pacific .

[@mikael5938]

the j-20 is amazing progress compaired how the china airforce was 10 years ago, in 10 years from now they will have very capable airforce with new better 6th gen planes.

[@marvingulanes5577]

this feels more like a supersonic small stealth bomber more than a fighter

[@aburetik4866]

In terms of quality, the Chinese PLAAF is already superior to USAF. J10c>F16v, J16=F15ex, J20>F22/35, J16D>EA-18G, KJ500>E3, PL15>AIM120, PL10e=AIM9X. The only disadvantage is quantity.

[@sylumgand]

Given so far Chinese soldiers cant win fights against Indian's while massively outnumbering them, their "quality" wont make up for shit. Paper Tigers are still just paper.

[@tonglianheng]

@@sylumgand urr, you mean in Bollywood movies?

[@sylumgand]

@@tonglianheng Errr I mean the clashes on the border regions that spark up every couple months.

[@IREXIC]

這是在說笑話嗎??? J20頂多和F16V同等級的東西而已 霹靂15根本垃圾中的垃圾 速度慢，體積大，準度差 人家老美是拼命把飛彈縮小，你們中共是拼命把飛彈做大 外掛飛彈是要怎麼隱身???? 別再出來讓全世界看笑話了

[@aburetik4866]

@@IREXIC 看到你美国爸爸快不行了，你急了 。哈哈

[@stingerbee8346]

Quantity has a quality all its own. I wouldn't discount China so easily.

[@brunojm7282]

Chinese escalators have more confirmed kills than the J-20….

[@michaelwicker9538]

Same with the F22...

[@harkamelrandhawa7125]

Awesome video. Interesting fighter concept. I was thinking is the J20 maybe similar to the Canadian Avro Arrow. OK this has canards and is stealthier given the J20 is a more of a recent fighter. What are your thoughts peeps?

[@appa609]

In mission maybe. I love AV Roe and the 105 and Dr. Floyd and at the time it was a triumph but no the Chinese did not copy a 62 year dead interceptor design.

[@ntal5859]

History repeats no guns(cannon), clearly they forgot the Yanks and the F4 mistake.

[@tyrantfox7801]

That's why Flankers exist

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

@@Antonio-wp8tt And also the J-10s

[@nattygsbord]

It will not be able to shoot down any planes or missiles without a rear gunner either

[@thomaszhang3101]

J-20 could very well be built on an hit and run doctrine. During one leaked training video, the instructor asked the pilot: “why do you dogfight with the J-20?” Pilot: “Because I have superior high speed maneuverability.” Instructor: “No, because you are in idiot!”

[@LRRPFco52]

Of the following aircraft in Vietnam, which type had the most guns kills and which had the most missile kills? Also, which had the highest kill ratio? F-4E (has 20mm M61 in the nose) F-4D F-4C F-105D/F/G F-4B/J (USN) F-8 Crusader

[@buck4490]

It looks like the strategy of throw a lot at your opponent with large numbers of J20 and Flankers. Attrition is expected and planned for, a lot like the Korean ground war.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

Contrary to Su-57, J-20 weapons bay doesn't seem very well suited to AG weapons.

[@pangzhiyu8098]

It can be euipped with AG missiles, but at most two

[@pangzhiyu8098]

if I am not wrong

[@tmseh]

@@pangzhiyu8098 It is an awfully large frame but if it is deployed carrying at most 2-4 missiles I bet China is not planning on going head to head with F-22s, especially if it doesn't carry a cannon. I wouldn't doubt if it's mission will be to take out refuelling and surveillance/AWACS units to restrict an enemie's air dominance resources. The US is relying on mid air refueling both manned and unmanned.

[@pangzhiyu8098]

@@tmseh I think you misunderstood my comment. It can carry 6 missiles, 4 big ones and two small ones. But air to ground missiles, I think it can carry 2 of them? I am not very sure

[@Pallium_Industries]

Watching the J-20 pull it's max AOA is like watching an 80 year old lady trying to drift a front wheel drive car that pushes 50 HP

[@swordsman1137]

Some says it can do post stall maneuver with TVC nozzle. But after this video, i think it will be on more limited capability than i previously thought

[@randomthot125]

If you have to do post stall maneuvers with a stealth plane, you're probably going to die very soon regardless.

[@swordsman1137]

@@randomthot125 well actually depend on situation. But yeah it cannot help you on most situation (especially bvr). I think the post stall maneuver more like testament that it can do high g maneuver in close air to air battle.

[@92HazelMocha]

I mean the PLAAF built for its intended role; it's not super maneuverable, but it's not supposed to be doing any dog fighting.

[@swordsman1137]

@@92HazelMocha yeah can agree on that.

[@markdittell]

totally agree with flight assement, even the flight demonstrations are "mild" like a flying pickup truck, not that of a high performance fighter. If looking at the "FULL LOAD" flght carestics I actually don't believe that without thrust vectoring it could be stable enough for flight!

[@patrickkelly8095]

It also, according to this video, the torsional part of the fuselage may not last through long term use to keep it stealthy. Not that it really matters since they can just produce more at large number since they are China. The large weapons bay could give it better weapons selections.

[@talltroll7092]

Firstly, I'd say that not even China can just crank out advanced fighters at a rate of 100s/month. Quite aside from the cost implications, there are going to be construction bottlenecks that no amount of just having a massive population can overcome. How many engines/month can they realistically produce? What about avionics packages (especially in light of the general shortage of quality chips they seem to be suffering)? What's their production capacity for the composite materials they need? Most importantly, how many of the advanced/specialised machine tools that are needed do they have? What about experienced, qualified operators for them? Secondly, there's the issue of the most important component of any plane : the PL-1 (or "pilot", as they are sometimes known). The PLAAF is not known for the quality of its' training regime (and yes, they are improving it over time, but it still leaves much to be desired), and you'd think they'd want pretty much their best flying the J-20, one of their best aircraft. Even if you could theoretically replace the airframes, replacing the lost experience is a tall order (see : IJN, circa 1943)

[@nickl5658]

@@talltroll7092 US population was double that of IJ during WW2. Today China's population is 5x that of the US.

[@talltroll7092]

@@nickl5658 Irrelevant. It could be 1,000x, or 1,000,000x larger, and it would still be just as hard to train an experienced pilot. Giving 1,000 pilots an hour of training will never yield one pilot with 1,000 hours of experience

[@smithsamson7342]

i love the shape of the jet fighter, but i love the sound so much... it's so cool like a ferrari but with a humble roar.

[@duyataksis5210]

The J-20 is an all-aspect VLO air superiority fighter. End of story.

[@sean70729]

With round engine nozzles, canards,ventral fins and performance limiting DSI intakes how could it possibly be an all aspect VLO air superiority fighter when all its design features point to a reasonably stealthy interdictor?.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

Based on what? Everything points to this not being the case...

[@artnull13]

@@FallenPhoenix86 did you not read: “end of story” 😂

[@petersimpson9166]

@@artnull13 'nuff said

[@duyataksis5210]

@@FallenPhoenix86 Based on what the manufacturer said about it and the design requirements for the Chinese 5th generation program. What some internet know-nothing with some jargon says about it is irrelevant.

[@rvs55]

Oh Wow!!! John Goodman is giving us Intel on a Chinese stealth fighter!

[@lyricaltraveller]

The aircraft seems to have been designed to attack bombers or tankers. It could be used to launch anti-ship missiles. But it is most assuredly not a fighter.

[@beyondrecall9446]

looks like a good interceptor

[@玄安公子]

J20 is a pure air combat aircraft, basically abandoning dogfights to obtain beyond visual range and long range

[@holyboxer2.072]

why

[@王八下个蛋]

J20 assault to clean up the battlefield use

[@ptroinks]

Fucking hell, that elephant scared the shit out of me!!!

[@blackchallis]

Su-57 Best "looking" fighter in the world IMO

[@MarvelousSeven]

YF-23 says "hold my beer".

[@latvialava6644]

I am really not convinced with the design approach !!! Quite, doubtful that did they even tried out a simulation with full weight in high G.

[@brown7583]

Otis: *talks about top secret stealth warplane* CCP: - 100000 credit score

[@zaiks0105]

That's it? Nah, he is marked for life like the author of Red Roulette

[@ascensionindustries9631]

This is very interesting information, but will it blend? USAF: I has blender.

[@LIKWID]

I absolutely love these videos, really gives you a much better insight and some proper information about these jets, as always I appreciate you taking the time to put these together. I also find it quite fascinating that the Chinese are STILL using the Saturn AL31F engines for their 5th Gen fighter, that engine at one point would have powered every single Flanker in the Soviet Union at one point!

[@weig2000]

Nope. J-20 is now using WS-10C, the Chinese indigenous engine, with maximum thrust anywhere between 144KN ~ 155KN.

[@donchen4906]

Truth to be told, China stopped buying Russian AL series engine At least 5yrs ago

[@andrewhomo2461]

@@donchen4906 because they have plenty of them already

[@michaelngan99]

"I also find it quite fascinating that the Chinese are STILL using the Saturn AL31F engines for their 5th Gen fighter" J-20 is using the third version of its powerful WS-15 engine. It never used the Russian AL-31F engine nor the indigenious WS-10 engine.

[@donchen4906]

@@andrewhomo2461 PLAAF is still building hundreds of new fighters every year. Why would someone stock engine?

[@MisteriosGloriosos922]

*Amazing videos, great thanks to you!!!*

[@caseinnitratjr6861]

…is it just a step to something even more advanced, developed on their own.

[@gregorykavivya1105]

It better be. Woe unto them if its not. India reported tracking the plane from way across the border. If that's the best they can do, they really shouldn't be asking to meet the raptor in the sky.

[@stusanderson3111]

Right , tell me when has China has designed a innovative product.

[@sahelanthrope]

@@stusanderson3111 Product innovation is just the tip of the iceberg, which they'll get to when the material conditions are right, namely when their per-capita PPP starts approaching Western levels. It's mostly a matter of demand for time and labour saving, and the incentive for market-making by identifying unfulfilled needs. They did just fine developing nukes, ASAT, hypersonic warheads, AESA radars, and indeed this highly distinctive stealth fighter airframe on their own. The idea that their lack of innovation for the consumer market is somehow indicative of their racial capacities is something people tell themselves to feel secure in their own indolence, all while the last 70 years of fundamental semiconductor breakthroughs since the invention of MOSFET, as an example, have been predominantly led by engineers of Asian descent.

[@stusanderson3111]

@@sahelanthrope excuse me the u.s. created nuclear weapons in the spring of 1945,while Russia created theirs in the early 1950s which makes China duch a laggard. Talking nuclear weapons and hyper sonics is a fools game because if any superpower attacks another one ,it will be the end of this world !!! The question still has to be asked where is your innovation as Chip industry ......... opps thats right you don't have one because they have all gone bankrupt !!

[@stusanderson3111]

@@sahelanthrope where is your luxury car industry ,you don't have any besides the companies bought by Geely . Next question where is your electronics industry ,sorry thats South Korean ,Germany or Japan for quality because your s is substandard that no one with money will buy .

[@AussieMaleTuber]

Boy, that loud elephant stunt was confronting.

[@simpl3simon806]

The Indian Air Force have confirmed that they can track the J20. So it is not that good apparently at stealth

[@unseenhunter4588]

Yes...... You are right

[@nicator8380]

LMAO endians doesn't know is that, the j20 is flying with radar reflector.

[@Nurhaal]

Take those claims with a massive heaping pile of salt. It usually takes a real combat sortie to confirm something like that. People were claiming F-35s were getting tracked when in reality they had their beacons on so that they COULD be found. Then they claimed Russian assets were tracking them in Syria... until an air strike package was sent in over S400s and they didn't detect shit. I will not take the Chinese tech lightly. Under estimating a rival is a huge mistake a d we have to give the CCP props for getting this far in half the time.

[@tonglianheng]

@@nicator8380 more accurately the Indian military probably knew about it (it is standard practice that stealth planes in peace time during ferrying will always carry radar reflectors for safety of other aircrafts), it is just a matter of Indian media and fan boys not knowing about it.

[@00calvinlee00]

I think the J-20 flying without enhancers would be throwing away capabilities before combat. The F-117,F-22,F-35 and B-2 all have them for training and local sorties.

[@garynew9637]

Fukken elephant scared the shit out of me haha