THE JOHN DEERE DISAPPOINTED US, SO WE GRABBED THE KUBOTA.

[@brianbarclay4316]

In my opinion a moldboard plow is the best option for sod plowing, followed by a disc…old school but it has worked for years!

[@128file]

That’s exactly what I was thinking, old school plowing no chemicals. My 68 year old TO 35 Ferguson with an old style plow would tear through that.😀

[@richardpoe2461]

I agree! Moldboard plow is the right tool for this job.

[@frederickburns1739]

Courtney there is a implement company by the name of Fred Cain that I believe would change your approach to tillage. It is called a spring tooth cultivator; I call it a mini chisel plow. They make a small version that I believe the Summitt tractor could handle and I know the Kubota wouldn't have a problem. And it beats a mouldboard plow hands down!!! Almost forgot it also helps in wet areas to drain better!!!

[@johnmonteith3574]

Be aware that by tilting the disc back you will be cutting deeper on the outside and shallower in the middle. This will lead to dirt collecting in the middle and a hill being left in the center of each pass. Long-term this makes for a bumpy field. To leave the gound plowed level, a disc really needs to be run level to the ground. Hope this helps. I enjoy your videos.

[@shermandaniel8285]

Tilling it “should” level it back out . But you are correct if left like that it would remind you of most interstate highways … bumpy as hell !

[@welshlyn9097]

I Disagree

[@HolographicOne]

@@welshlyn9097 Technically he's correct, the gangs on a disc are positioned in opposite configurations; front throws outward (concave facing outside of the middle) and the rear pulls it back inward. Disks like a Sunflower 1434 which have hydraulic tilt can leave a major ridge if tilted backwards. The sod he was working with his little disk here isn't loose enough to impact it more than the actual cutting of the sod

[@markellyfarm]

The implement you referred to as a plow we always called a chisel. The plows we used were bottom plows that completely flipped the sod under leaving clean soil on top. We would then let the sod decompose a week or so then disc the soil with little or no clumping. Just two passes. The only problem with the bottom plow was you had to go one direction. Later they made flip plows that you could flip over hydraulically at the ends and plow straight back without deadheading. Would love to watch that on your channel! Great seat time either way. Great channel brother!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yeah the name is a bit deceiving

[@coreygibson15]

they are technically called "chisel plows". Just like discs are technically "disc harrows".

[@rodbagley1686]

Love watching your channel. I don't have much land the play on like you do but mostly woods. Four of us in a row have wooded lots. Mostly dead ash trees now. Use my 1025r for digging out stumps. Grapple for moving logs and firewood.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Maybe you are doing it this way for KZbin, but I don''t understand your complex disc pattern. Make a pass, spin your tractor around, and make another pass with the tractor centered over the line between what you have disked and what you haven't -- it's called double disking because the overlap is getting cut twice. And pick your disc up at the end of the row...disc bearing are not made for side-to-side loading on a turn. Long straight lines and high speed are what you are striving for.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I did pick my disc up at the end of the row and literally said exactly those words in the video. I cross hatched, much better results than the method you described which I have used in several previous videos. Chopped up the clods more consistently.

[@HolographicOne]

@@GoodWorksTractors a good crosshatch method would be to add a 10 to 15 degree angle on a straight pass rather than 90 degree perpendicular passes. It keeps you from hitting all those grooves dead-on. Just my experience on the farm.

[@rfb7117]

Courtney, on the next pass I would use your rototiller and wait until just before planting or just after planting and hit it with RU. It will be slower work, but you will only have to go over it once with the tiller and you will have a beautiful area in which to plant. The tiller will work very well now that you have broken up the sod. I have an 8' hydro lift pull type disc on rubber that I can set for very light tillage. I will actually be lightly tilling up a few small fields in a couple of weeks preparing for our fall planting of some food plots. We use it occasionally in conjunction with the tiller, or sometimes go with our no till drill to plant. It depends on what we are trying to accomplish, and if we want to broadcast or no till plant.

[@chawkins45ify]

You should do a 3025e vs L2501 disc comparison. My L2501 pulls a 66" gearmore disc no problem, not sure what size disc you were pulling

[@joesullivan3rd]

Thx for the vid as always Personally, I have found that when I'm wanting to cross up the ground with a disc, I cut the field in a shorter length than full run on one end and then my boxes are the same size for every loop. this is similar to a zamboni on a hockey rink, and it cuts down my turns to 90s rather than 3 points. After hitting the whole field once, I then switch the square to get a second pass cross pattern.

[@soundman1402]

I want to do something similar at my place, but on a much smaller scale. We have very sandy soil; only thing we really need to bust up is the sod. Our well is shallow (25') so I'm really hesitant to spray, but man... This soft dirt, weeds appear a day after working the soil! I grew a garden a few years ago by using my tractor bucket to skim the sod off the ground, then used a tiller to fluff the soil, but that was probably an unnecessary step with our dirt being as loose as it is. Got a great garden that year, but man, keeping up with the weeds was a job!

[@F0shiz]

Your concerns about spraying should be amplified with having sandy soil. Depending on if the sandy conditions continue past the top spoil. Anything you spray will quickly drop down through the sandy layers.

[@donmccoy5940]

Back in the day we plowed, disced and finished with a harrow.

[@terrygroce1594]

That hydraulic third arm is the key to solve many issues. Got to get me one for my 2038R.

[@treylem3]

Great content, as always. Much thanks !

[@deerrudy]

Courtney good video . Interested to see the plot and screening results. Try a bottom plow. Let it set for a while and disc it level. That’s good organic material for your soil. I wasn’t surprised what the 3025E results . Not a big fan of that tractor. So many better options out there than that tractor.

[@SpartanZapp]

I'm going to guess the 3E versus 1025r doing the work yes the three can get more power to the ground. But I bet it's capable of stalling itself where the 1025r doesn't weigh enough to have the traction to stall itself in that scenario. It might not a fully felt like it. But I bet it was spending tires for at least some of that.

[@genewilliams7497]

The dot dog equipment looks like really good stuff! Nice video. Showing the capabilities of the equipment that you market/ sell. 👍✅

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Thanks Gene!

[@franklackie2469]

Yes exactly true Brian

[@jschnurb19]

I think the 3025e is good, great machine but I feel that for more taxing jobs like you were doing. It is just underpowered for the frame size and weight. And you also forget how much bigger of a tire it has to move as well.

[@Totalyrediclous998]

I was wondering if those hitch banners and weights would help? Or maybe a weight box on that disk plow?

[@bobd7384]

What are you planting for the screening?

[@justanotherviewer52]

Some times you just need a farm tractor.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Haha indeed

[@lonewolfFirearms]

You should have hooked up the new 25 horse summit tractor and compared it to the 1025R. Would have been interesting to see if it could do a better job.

[@nathanbruce413]

I would like to see a 2 bottom moldboard plow on the 1025r, does jt have the guts for a 2 bottom?

[@Icriedtoday]

He always gets the coolest music to play in the background! Mountain Air by Cody Francis

[@halsnyder296]

Looking good 👍

[@toontown6969]

That Deere does have that button that you have to push that will not allow the tractor to stall? My 4052r has it and it will straight kill the engine with ease while digging with the loader unless you press that? It will rip the tread off with that button pressed and spin all four tires with ease. Just curious, I was mad as hell the first time I was putting a heavy load on mine as I did not read the manual as I grew up on a farm and not used to newer stuff lol.

[@Panhandlehomestead]

Very nice fellas

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Thanks!

[@jamieseward1682]

Simple answer why the 3025e stalled is because it has more traction then power. The 1025 is more likely to spin because there's less weight

[@bj.roberts6410]

Wow Chris is really doing some fantastic work with the video. It’s like we’re right there with you. Great 👍 job

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yeah he’s getting better and better

[@treylem3]

@@GoodWorksTractors 👍

[@VineV-Dutch]

It's not the best to mow all of your land at once. Field flowers, butterflies, insects will be going extinct soon from your land this way. In the Netherlands it's iligal to mow 100% of the shoulders and middle sections on our interstates and highways for instance. We now only once on sand soil, in fall/autumn. After mowing: we leave it laying for one week so the plants and flowers can dry and leave seeds in the soil. Then, we suck up the cut off a week later. Clay and normal soil we mow 2 times. Once in late spring, early summer, once in fall. But: both soils; we leave a minimal of 30% unmowed. So bugs and butterflies etc have a refuge to go to. And other plants can reproduce. By doing this, we have more flowers in our shoulders of highways, more insects and butterflies, which attracts birds. We also have less fog in mornings which contributes to safety. We don't use a hammer flail mower that cuts up everything anymore. It's down that that machines needs to much power to work and isn't that efficient in the long run. It's like putting poison on your land with that machine, all is destroyed. Circle and cyclone mower are key. And... We never plow! We take off the cut offs after one week or so, so the cut off grasses don't suffocate the more delicate flowers. Instead of green deserts of grass, without and fauna life, we now are bringing back colorful strips of green, full of butterflies, ladybugs, dragonflies are even coming back in big numbers. So; why are you plowing cut off grasses into your soil with your plow? All you do is suffocate new grow. It was better to take away the cut off first... Learn from mistakes in the past, and try to create sustainable and diverse nature in your fields. You have the room for it as non commercial land owner. Leave 1 or 2 strips between the forest and your worked land untouched. And see nature coming back. You also need the bees for your vegetation reproduction.

[@great0789]

We’re you using hydrostatic drive tractors or gear drive. The amount of torque that makes it to the ground is vastly different based on that. Gearboxes are torque multipliers.

[@maxball6388]

Im not surprised about the 3025e, I personally don’t think its “Lo” is low enough to perform hard ground engagement work.

[@phild9813]

I don’t know about the 3025, but on my b2650 the max torque does not occur with my foot mashed all the way down on the hydrostat pedal. I get stall outs if i try that, but if I keep it at 3/4 down or so it works better. This is certainly interesting, and I wonder if the 1025 works differently.

[@kdegraa]

@@phild9813 the hydrostatic pedal is more akin to a gear lever than an accelerator in my understanding. As the pedal is depressed, the gear is effectively higher.

[@Jtwizzle]

I wonder how the gearing is vs the two. If it similar the much bigger tires on the E are making the final drive ratio higher.

[@toontown6969]

@@kdegraa it's basically a hydraulic pump slapped up to a motor and a swash plate inside tilts as you increase the pedal or lever down or forward. As it tilts, it produces more flow in the piston area thus increasing flow into the motor. Draws more engine power and increases the speed of the machine. Diesel mechanic here on semi trucks, but I grew up on a farm and went to vo tech where they made us rebuild a hydrostat unit, so I saw it first hand lol. I am wondering if he did not have a button pushed in that keeps it from stalling. My 4052r has the same button and I was going insane trying to dig the first hour. I stopped and checked the manual out and that took care of it. Mine will try to tear the tread off now with that pushed, but would stall out just like that before. I can not remember what that button function is called, just know what it does.

[@kdegraa]

@@toontown6969 this is a good explanation. The pedal controls a pump and the more it’s pushed the more fluid flows, forcing the engine to work more? This makes sense in the real world. We are used to accelerator pedals and the hydrostatic pedals by design look very similar though they are quite different in operation. I have a Kubota tractor and I don’t think it has a button to stop it from stalling if the hydrostatic pedal is pushed too hard.

[@jamesleblanc4850]

What do you spray on the ground before you till?

[@rickclooney5461]

Poison!!

[@patton9696]

The 3025e has a bigger chassis and more weight and clearance. I’m sure both are great. I owned a 3025e and put 100 hours on it. Did everything I wanted.

[@sleddog46]

As someone else mentioned you should use a moldboard plow. You need to plow in the fall and leave it over winter. Then disc & cultivate.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Based on that logic, I'd have to do nothing with it this year since we just moved there. I think you'll find this method gets the job done and seed will grow just fine for the fall plots.

[@kipcudd7253]

With the Kubota you could handle a much bigger disc, 12'-14', if available. More weight, better job. Pull a little faster to really throw the dirt. I'm used to a 24' Miller offset disk pulling with a 110 hp Moline propane tractor 2wd, very staught tractor would outpull a 5020 John deere .

[@genewilliams7497]

His tractor isn’t anywhere near big enough to pull a disc that size

[@GoodWorksTractors]

No need for me to use something that big, too much money would be tied up

[@genewilliams7497]

Totally get that for sure! We all use what we have. And I grew up farming and still do for the last 50 years. Love your channel!

[@kipcudd7253]

Well we farmed 1200 acres, no trees all flat land. I know equipment is alot more expensive now, what we paid for a 110 hp tractor then was cheaper than a 25 hp tractor now.

[@davidkettell5726]

John Deere continues to disappoint American farmers.

[@reaperhunter7297]

One thing my grandad did to make the disk bite better is throw some old Farmall wheel weights on the back of it.

[@johncail4017]

do you ship to new brunswick , canad

[@1pjmac]

Why not use a regular plow and the disk

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I like to use what I have on hand

[@brucecostello48]

Would you buy a kobota BX2380 or a yanmar SA325

[@danielsundberg1977]

Great content as always, wish i had a farm and i wish you were in Australia for me to purchase and support your products!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Thank you Daniel!

[@bwlyon]

To really bust up sod you only have a few choices. Weight on the disk to make it penetrate and make several passes, moldboard plow, or Roto tiller.

[@genewilliams7497]

15’ field cultivator on a 125 Hp tractor is the best solution for what he is doing. This set up at 6mph will easily break up 10-11 acres and hour then put the disc on it a week later and plant it.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yeah, not enough weight for both gangs is why I tilted to use one gang. Works well enough for this small patch.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Except I'm not planting 10-11 acres an hour, haha!

[@genewilliams7497]

👍✅

[@DWK5150]

Molboard plow to turn soil over and bury vegetation, let sit a week or two. Disc to smooth. Plant. Enjoy.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Thanks Don!

[@kevinstallman519]

Bushhog makes a DHP12 that would be perfect for your Kubota!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

They are a pricey bugger! Dirt Dog has the same one, but cheaper.

[@johnporschart3681]

You needed to use a turning plow. first it would have been easier and a better job.

[@rumplestillskin6424]

Why plow or disc green . Spray first wait a month . Then disc or no till . Save fuel and stress on equipment .

[@1989Falkor]

Id use your tiller next. It'll make a fine seed bed for you.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Definitely plan on it!

[@riskikewes7930]

On a land like that I usually use discplow followed by a rotavator, you will get loose and even soil :)

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yeah, I'll be tilling it up soon!

[@seanwahl1000]

I thought with a hydro static transmission that putting the peddle to the floor is a higher gear than lightly pushing it?

[@Bigsoot7393]

It's just a hydraulic motor mate, doesn't really have gears

[@ramsesribb2997]

Yes it does raise the ratio the more you press the pedal. Press the pedal halfway and it would spin the tires before stalling the engine

[@Bigsoot7393]

@@ramsesribb2997 isn't it just a piston pump? The only gear are the high low range lever? The piston pump just spins fast and slower compared to how much you press the pedal

[@seanwahl1000]

@@ramsesribb2997 That's what I thought. That's why it's odd to hear some of these tractor guys say they had it all the way to the floor, like if that's max torque.

[@Bigsoot7393]

@@seanwahl1000 so it's not?

[@qcan8468]

Base tractor weight 1025R vs 3025e. 1400 lbs / 2200 lbs Total Hydraulic flow 6.3 / 9.3 Gearing. See 68spc’s post. Conclusion. There is no free lunch. Available HP on 3025E is less as it takes HP to move a heavier tractor, turn higher flow pumps, and go faster. BTW hydrostatic transmissions also use more HP than a geared tractor.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Good info, paints a case that bigger isn't always better...situation dependent

[@qcan8468]

@@GoodWorksTractors And there is no substitute for Horsepower!!!!

[@adamstone5966]

Wheels are larger on the 3025e which requires more torque to exert the same ground force. Unless the 3025e is geared down more than the 1025, it would require more engine power to do the same job. I would imagine the higher power 3 series machines would be a better comparison pulling.

[@VineV-Dutch]

Oh; in Europe: we don't drive tractors anymore with simple stuff like mowing: we have GPS / auto steer for that. We don't like to waist time. Also with you light plowing, it shouldn't be needed for you to supervise the machines. Or you have a wrong adjustment, to deep or to high speed.

[@seasleddoo1097]

Not a surprising result. The PTW ratio (power to weight ratio) plays heavy with ground engagement.There is a 40% disadvantage to the 3025 in PTW ratio.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yeah, just kind of funny how the bigger tractor struggles and the smaller tractor doesn't

[@porterenterprisellc6361]

I agree, the 3025 is alot heavier.

[@danielsundberg1977]

Wouldn't running a tiller on a second pass be more effective? Ur second pass with the disc looked to do bugger all!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Too rough for the tiller yet...that second disc pass helped to smooth it out a bit, but still a rough ride when I sprayed. Could use another pass or two with the disc before I till potentially.

[@mtozzy11]

The 3025e is heavier takes more power to move the extra weight plus the transmissions are different along with the final reductions ......

[@GoodWorksTractors]

There's a limit to any 25hp machine.

[@mtozzy11]

@@GoodWorksTractors exactly and 5 tynes is about it lol.

[@montybolinger6383]

What appears to be a apples to apples example is possibly not the case. What is the max MPH speed of your 1025r in low range? Then what is the max MPH of the 3025 in low range. IF the 3025 goes faster in low range then there is your answer why the 3025 stalls out with the same implement with the transmission pushed all the way down. By the way your 5 (shank) plow seemed to be more of a rake than a tillage tool, maybe a tiller or moldboard plow or baler? LOL Point of observation on your Dirt Dog disc. You seem to want to go pretty fast with this high horsepower Kubota and the small disc behind it. You go so fast that the front gangs throw dirt past what the rear gangs can pull it back in. SO,,,,,,, the rear gangs can be adjusted in and out on the frame with the U-bolts that hang the rear gangs. Loosen those u-bolts and slide the rear gangs out wider to reach out to help pull back some of that dirt that the front gangs have slung out far. I know it would be too much for the disc mfg to have a bolt on spool and extra slightly smaller disc blade called furrow fillers to clamp on the ends of the rear gangs to help pull that dirt back in. I know I have rambled on forever but I'm just an old farm boy who has spent a lifetime on tractors.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I don't think it is apples to apples. They are both 25hp, that's one data point. However, visually, you would think the bigger tractor would handle better.

[@unclebuck5957]

You need a 4 row plow then disk

[@keiboman]

You should read Gabe Brown.

[@Classifiedreality]

Wow, how did u make it look like multiple tractors...cgi? Keep on keeping on!!👨‍🌾🚜👨‍🌾🌠🌠👍

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I have no idea how he did it, but I think it's pretty sweet!

[@wolfpack4128]

All this work just to end up with soil damage being done exposing the dirt to sunlight and wind. I get you run a channel devoted to tractors so you need to make videos related to that. You make some of the best videos on those topics but for food plots there are better and in this case easier ways. You can spray and broadcast right into the dead chaff for small seeds like brassicas and clover. For larger seeds a no till drill is needed. That's an idea for a video next year. Do the traditional method, vs no till methods. Be sure to do them in the same field in an area that gets the same general amount of daylight so you can control those variables.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

There are many ways to make plots.

[@SlackerU]

You probably should have spray-killed the foliage a few weeks prior to disc. Spray is so much cheaper than using fuel to cut through live roots.

[@ihguy2113]

hate to disappoint you but the old school tractors from the 60s 70s 80s the same HP range would out do all the new tractors heavier machines more pulling power no hydrostat which is better for a lawn tractor . like Brian B said moldboard plow it then disc it

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Haha I’m not disappointed. Fully aware of the differences. Thanks for stopping by!

[@ihguy2113]

@@GoodWorksTractors OK THANKS FOR your reviews

[@briannelson803]

I guessing the 3025E has a faster travel speed than the 1025R and that caused the stall.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

It wanted to stall out even without maxing out the pedal.

[@stevenerickson5449]

Why doesn't RimGaurd have you listed where did you hear of us?

[@GoodWorksTractors]

We aren’t a retail tractor dealer and don’t offer service work.

[@stephenpaul394]

Was that the summit tractor I saw early in the video

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Yes sir

[@JesseLay]

@@GoodWorksTractors Would interested in seeing how it compares with the 1025R - It's very similar to my TYM T25 spec wise

[@rumplestillskin6424]

You will find that it will disc like you went through there with a rotta tiller

[@tuckervantol4406]

Kubota

[@MrAlaskaJoe]

Not many guys have a sunroof on their tractors!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I plan to change that!

[@toml1578]

I enjoyed the video but comparing a 25HP 3 series Deere to a 73HP Kubota seems a bit unreasonable. It would be more comparable for a Deere like a 5075E, going from a 25HP tractor that weighs around 2,200 pounds to a 73HP tractor that weighs around 6,000 pounds is apples to oranges.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I’m not comparing the JD to Kubota

[@toml1578]

@@GoodWorksTractors Fair enough, I guess the title threw me off on the intent.

[@deanbarr5740]

In my opinion the 3025 e is probably the most wimpy tractor John Deere ever brought out. I bought a new one in 2018 and have had problems since they delivered it. Hydraulics are very weak. At full throttle the loader wiil barely pickup a 600# load. It has 90 hours on it, and rarely gets used. Most worthless tractor I've ever owned. When I dealt for it I had the dealership install two rear remotes, I don't know if something is plumbed wrong in the hydraulic lines or if its just a wimpy tractor. I've seen videos with this same tractor doing things I could never do with mine. I have stalled it several times. Wouldn't recommend the 3025 E to anyone. The 1025R is much better.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

You know, I've found the 3025e to be pretty enjoyable for many tasks we've needed to tackle. I was a bit surprised by this result.

[@adamm2716]

you might have algae growing in your tank

[@BitCounter]

You lose pulling power with bigger tires using the same engine size.

[@bearkawiboy6246]

It bogged down, you’re kidding???? Two words! “GEAR DRIVE” Stop buying tractors that you drive with your high heels 👠 on!

[@napoleonsmith7793]

Try no til method for better results.

[@JCWren]

Just goes to show that when you need serious work done, you buy orange :)

[@toml1578]

Or maybe use a more comparable Deere like a 5075E, going from a 25HP tractor to a 73HP tractor and calling it a reasonable comparison doesn't seem very reasonable.

[@GoodWorksTractors]

Haha, I do like that bota!

[@GoodWorksTractors]

No one is comparing a small JD to a big Kubota

[@toml1578]

@@GoodWorksTractors Fair enough, I guess the title threw me off on the intent.

[@Allworldsk1]

Have to run in low gear only for disc. No high speed 👌🏻

[@GoodWorksTractors]

I was in low

[@Allworldsk1]

@@GoodWorksTractors absolutely. Just looks like the John Deere failed you.

[@nathanbruce413]

I would like to see a 2 bottom moldboard plow on the 1025r, does jt have the guts for a 2 bottom?