The Lance Rest or Arrêt de Cuirasse

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Knyght Errant

Knyght Errant

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@00Trademark00
@00Trademark00 6 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see how St. George keeps with the times and kills the dragon with the up-to-date military technology every time :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
St. George was very well funded :)
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 6 жыл бұрын
Kinda like most 'arms races' and looking at the historical pics, the saddles being reenforced and having surrounding 'backs' with the previous added stirrups?
@MisterMisogynist
@MisterMisogynist 6 жыл бұрын
This becomes even funnier when you realize that the modern equivalent of this would be St. George killing the dragon with an AR-15
@loled123
@loled123 6 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't even be that. It would be St. George impaling the dragon with a hellfire rocket, from a airplane. Walking on foot is for peasants after all.
@DzinkyDzink
@DzinkyDzink 6 жыл бұрын
Modern knights are jet fighter pilots, so he'd be usuing F-22.
@fisadev
@fisadev 6 жыл бұрын
This was one of those videos were I think "ok, how much could be said about this topic? it's just a thingie to rest the lance", and then I'm super happy to be proven wrong :)
@ericmitchell985
@ericmitchell985 6 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch one of your videos, I'm always blown away by the amount of research put into every minute, and the effective way it's communicated in such a short time. Excellent work, as always.
@MoriShep
@MoriShep 6 жыл бұрын
As always watching one of your videos feels like walking into ta passionate lecture on a subject at a proper collage, Always impressed and enjoy your hard work and effort. Never even heard of an Arrêt de Cuirasse its the little details that are the most interesting to understand and most often overlooked
@Greensleeve11
@Greensleeve11 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've been reading into shock cavalry recently and never really figured out why the lance rest helped deliver more force. That it made it easier to aim by taking some of the weight was obvious, but more than that I couldn't really figure out. So this video really came at the right time.
@joachimmurat400
@joachimmurat400 6 жыл бұрын
Finally some summercontent. I love your videos.
@duchessskye4072
@duchessskye4072 6 жыл бұрын
Your*
@joachimmurat400
@joachimmurat400 6 жыл бұрын
ty
@duchessskye4072
@duchessskye4072 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@knightshousegames
@knightshousegames 6 жыл бұрын
So what I've learned fro the first few minutes of this video is that couched lance innovations are typically tested on dragons
@christopheresquire947
@christopheresquire947 6 жыл бұрын
your videos have a way of making me super curious about something i wasn't originally curious about. this one and the locking visor one are prime examples. i didnt know how a lance rest worked, but i didnt much care. while watching this video though i was amazed at how much thought was put into things like that. im also continuously amazed at the quality of your videos and amount of stuff i can learn from them. thanks for putting the effort in, it really shows lol
@DzinkyDzink
@DzinkyDzink 6 жыл бұрын
If only they had been more frequent.
@OutOfNamesToChoose
@OutOfNamesToChoose 6 жыл бұрын
This is a strange request, but would it be possible to do a video on spurs? Also, thank you for yet another great video, you never fail to deliver great content that is well presented and explained.
@chargingnoisesintensify6335
@chargingnoisesintensify6335 3 жыл бұрын
simply put, im pretty sure that spurs was used to slightly stab the horse to make them gallop or run
@alepiresjr
@alepiresjr 6 жыл бұрын
Never thought that such a small piece of armour modification could have played such a major role in warfare technology! Great video, Ian!!
@FairlyUnknown
@FairlyUnknown 6 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. It makes so much more sense now. Without ever looking into it, I just figured it would mainly be for reducing the felt weight of a lance, but after this, it seems it was mainly meant to increase the offensive capabilities. Great video.
@F1ghteR41
@F1ghteR41 5 жыл бұрын
One should also take into account that grappers were still used on Eastern European lances in the XVII century, while lance rests were pretty much unknown at that point in the region.
@Mystakaphoros
@Mystakaphoros 6 жыл бұрын
really informative! I'd always assumed it was just to keep your arm from getting tired-- I didn't realize it increased power that much!
@martialme84
@martialme84 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! One of the best channels on the platform.
@theodosioskantasmd7388
@theodosioskantasmd7388 6 жыл бұрын
FIRST! missed you Ian, great info and research as always!!
@xKeldonx
@xKeldonx 6 жыл бұрын
As always, thank you for your awesome work!
@CosmicDuck494
@CosmicDuck494 6 жыл бұрын
It's always a pleasure to watch your very informative and beautifully produced videos!
@xNanukax
@xNanukax 6 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what those are for, really informative and good video
@awilk418
@awilk418 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video about splint armor. I have only seen a few examples of it but it certainly looks striking. Was it used as a more affordable option for lower class fighters or was it more widespread but difficult to find now since the cloth backing rotted away?
@samchaleau
@samchaleau 6 жыл бұрын
From a post in another video....gave me an idea for a VERY cool experiment. @Knyght Errant, Is it at all possible for you and a friend to see if any BJJ gyms would be keen to roll in full harness? That would be very interesting to experiment with, especially given the idea that a knight on his back is supremely vulnerable. It's be fascinating to find out whether or not this could be mitigated with trained skills in grappling martial arts.
@Unknowntype
@Unknowntype 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@vedymin1
@vedymin1 6 жыл бұрын
I also saw a way of affixing the blunt end of the lance to the saddle through a cup on a long movable leather strap. This way all the impact gets transferred there.
@konradpanduram4576
@konradpanduram4576 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent content, as always!
@h347h
@h347h 6 жыл бұрын
Back slung shields might have been used as the first grappers. ALA your shared illustration via 1:32.
@sherab2078
@sherab2078 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! :) I wasn't even aware that something as arrêt actually existed. But, just by the way, I would be always very cautious when "decodding" history with usage of art. I don't say it can't be done. But after all, this is like one would try to reconstruct today's, modern tactics watching action movies, reading techno/military thrillers, or even comic books.
@duchessskye4072
@duchessskye4072 6 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering whether you have thought of doing a video based on the Kastenburst style of armor. It's an unusual style, and not very prominent with re-enactors. Knowing more about it would be interesting
@widowpeak6142
@widowpeak6142 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating topic, for such a small piece of the armor. Good video.
@LordSplendid
@LordSplendid 6 жыл бұрын
Man, was that worth my time! Excellent video!
@DaFiischkopf
@DaFiischkopf 6 жыл бұрын
Nearly suffered a heart attack while clicking so fast
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. By the way, could you please do some more videos on armour for commoners, such as jack chains?
@MadNumForce
@MadNumForce 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Funny that the advent of rigid torso armor brought new means to more efficiently defeat armor along with increased protection. "Arrêt de lance" is just a descriptive name though, just like a helmet can be called "head protection". The "proper" French name for that piece, at least the specific one, is "faucre" (also written "faulcre", "fautre", "faultre", "feutre", "feltre", with two contradicting etymologies: one from latin "fulcrum", which makes perfect sense, and one from the same root that gave the word "felt" in English - "feutre" actually means "felt").
@brotherandythesage
@brotherandythesage 6 жыл бұрын
Twice the power! I can see why the solid neck protection is needed!
@flintlocke1001
@flintlocke1001 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to see another video by you. Always a joy to watch. What developments in lances came about because of the rest? I would imagine larger heavier lances, more shaped grips, and different tips as well.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
In the jousting arena, because of the rest and eventually the queue, some of the lances got extraordinarily thick and heavy, much more so than anything used on the battlefield. Here are some stechlanze (lances for the Gestech, or the 'Joust of Peace') and they are pretty massive - www.khm.at/objektdb/detail/373450/?offset=11&lv=list
@flintlocke1001
@flintlocke1001 6 жыл бұрын
That one is huge! Must have been like getting hit by a truck. And made of ash wood. Ash is a lighter weight but strong straight grained wood. That would be intimidating. The tips surprised me. For tournaments I'd have figured on flatter tips designed to grab and hit hard. Some of those looked sharp. Very cool. Thank you for that.
@reignorshine.
@reignorshine. 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Ian! , More information about penerative power please 😁
@spaztron5000
@spaztron5000 3 күн бұрын
Would arret have been an impediment during fighting on the ground after a mounted fighter was unhorsed?
@jaknife99
@jaknife99 6 жыл бұрын
I know your bisy but do you plan to do more videos on everyday clothing or other regalia ans their construction and use. Be cool to learn about the little nuances on how they kept everything together
@calamusgladiofortior2814
@calamusgladiofortior2814 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, and the study was worth a read as well.
@bobmar1y
@bobmar1y 6 жыл бұрын
Interested in any information on the image at 5:52. Namely anything about the mounted archers.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
It's a book of poetry by Giovanni Boccaccio. The image is an attempt at depicting ancient Rome, which is why we see SPQR on various caparisons, banners and flags. This specific illustration is on folio 015r (orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!image/1310108562243/37/ )
@bobmar1y
@bobmar1y 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian.
@BlaBla-pf8mf
@BlaBla-pf8mf 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Arrêt de Cuirasse was not developed before there was a widespread increase in the kind of plate armors on which it could be applied. The cuirasse, not only provides a rigid support for the thing, but it would spread the energy of the impact on the entire torso while chainmail could not do that even for a simple grapper.
@MrAchile13
@MrAchile13 6 жыл бұрын
One question: what is your opinion on buhurt? Great video as always and I love the attention to details!
@berndmaier915
@berndmaier915 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. Do you know of any evidence for aventails that were secured to full length bascinests like yours not at the bottom of the helmet but around mid height?
@FiveLiver
@FiveLiver 6 жыл бұрын
How much were lances used on the battlefield after Agincourt? Are there any accounts of its use in the Wars of The Roses, which I always imagine as primarily a foot soldiers war.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
The English dismounted their knights and esquires at Agincourt and fought on foot, supported by the archers. The number of lances used by the French is difficult to determine because the numbers of heavy cavalry vary wildly from one account to another, so it's nearly impossible to say with any degree of certainty.
@phillip0537
@phillip0537 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very interesting!
@LivingManuscript
@LivingManuscript 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Ian! Do you think that the inclusion of a lance rest could help determine if an armor piece was designed with more of an infantry role in mind? For example, the split-breast corrazinas from the Chalkis hoard don't feature one, despite existing in a time period where they were common. I feel like this is potentially a very obvious question but I can't help but think there's more nuance to it that I'm not thinking of.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
At least one of the Chalkis plates does have staples for a lance rest, but I believe it is the exception (www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/23152 ). I think the inclusion or lack of a lance rest can definitely tell you if an armor was _optimized_ for one role or another, but it doesn't necessarily rule it out as being used in the opposite roll. For example, the English didn't really adopt arrets until the second half of the 15th century, as they still preferred to dismount, but they did make other modifications to their armor designs to accommodate a couched lance like cutouts in the right pauldron. So it's not cut and dry, but I think it's a pretty strong indicator of the intended role, I couldn't say _how strong_ though.
@LivingManuscript
@LivingManuscript 6 жыл бұрын
I was not aware of that example, so thanks for pointing that out! Very good points, armor did need to be flexible in it's use, after all. I'll definitely be looking into this some more, thanks!
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 6 жыл бұрын
A split-breast armour used with a lance rest would split the force of the lance to half the breast, tearing at the joins.
@cloudcleaver23
@cloudcleaver23 6 жыл бұрын
How disposable were lances on the battlefield? Did a knight expect to break his lance every time he charged? How did that relate to rearming with new lances vs. drawing secondary weapons?
@Joshua-qb9ru
@Joshua-qb9ru 5 жыл бұрын
Love your channel a lot :) great work!
@macmurfy2jka
@macmurfy2jka 6 жыл бұрын
So the new armor is coming along well, then?
@commonpepe2270
@commonpepe2270 6 жыл бұрын
6:12 hehe
@dutch_asocialite
@dutch_asocialite 6 жыл бұрын
How would you spell that additional lance rest? Kew? Kieu? Also, could you talk about jousting shields and the flaon bolt? I'm interested into how the design of the former helps the wearer while eager to hear more about the latter (though there isn't much to know, since it's what holds the shield up but the lack of information in regards to it is making me hysterical over it).
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
It's usually written as 'queue' in modern scholarship. I do hope to dive deeper into jousting specific equipment in the future, like the Gestech and Rennen equipment etc..
@evinton
@evinton 6 жыл бұрын
what use does the "V" shaped protrusion located on the top on the breastplate (as seen on the cuirass @3.20) have? the only thought that comes to mind is that it would stop glancing blows, but isn't that what you want in a suit of armor?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
That's called a stoprib, and it will encourage points to be driven away from your throat and up over your shoulder. You can see more here if you're interested - kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6OpqHxqmqubnJIm26s
@evinton
@evinton 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant that was very educational, thanks!
@jeanladoire4141
@jeanladoire4141 6 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Ian i'm making an armor but i can't figure out how exactly leather straps are attached to the moving plates in the articulations ... can you show precisely the lower part of your breastplate ? And perhaps talk a little about armor making in general if you know engouth things ?
@patliao556
@patliao556 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! One somewhat tangential question, what is that cup-like bit of hand protection on the lance itself called? When was that developed? It's not there, for example, in the Bayeux tapestry.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
That piece of equipment is called a _vamplate_ , and you see them as early as the beginning of the 14th century (scattered throughout the Manesse Codex for example).
@mariusdragoe2888
@mariusdragoe2888 6 жыл бұрын
Here's Tobias Capwell talking about how they 'rediscovered' vamplates for the sport of modern jousting. The whole video is great btw kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJKcoYeqe51qfLM
@patliao556
@patliao556 6 жыл бұрын
Marius Dragoe Great find! I'm guessing that vamplates became a thing because knights started going at one another more in the late medieval? Or something to that effect.
@zoukatron
@zoukatron 6 жыл бұрын
Grreat content as always.
@TheSeanoops
@TheSeanoops 6 жыл бұрын
Love your content Ian 👌🏻
@jamesgaddis6189
@jamesgaddis6189 6 жыл бұрын
Could you explain how a samurai sword would fare against European armor (padded, leather, mails, iron plates, steel)?
@jared925
@jared925 6 жыл бұрын
I would imagine about as well as any other sword type.
@MikeKnell2884
@MikeKnell2884 6 жыл бұрын
Someone clicked dislike by mistake. I rectified that mistake, by clicking like within 5 seconds of video start.
@99IronDuke
@99IronDuke 6 жыл бұрын
Another really interesting video.
@saturnus423
@saturnus423 5 жыл бұрын
Great videos and great beard
@thilom7912
@thilom7912 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very interesting and detailed!
@vanivanov9571
@vanivanov9571 6 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Have you seen Thilo M's channel? He focuses on cavalry combat, so this reminded me of him. I think you would get along.
@3daysago266
@3daysago266 6 жыл бұрын
Yes I did enjoy the video. Well done and keep it up. #1
@charlieb4604
@charlieb4604 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, great video. What would a man-at-arms do if they were wearing a tabard? Is it an either / or situation, or would there be some sort of slit or hole for the lance rest, or something?
@callumtostevin-hall2044
@callumtostevin-hall2044 6 жыл бұрын
Yes they had slits in any textile overgarment to accommodate the lance rest. However it is worth noting that by this time it was much more common to wear your armour 'white' with no textile covering or overgarment.
@dimitrizaitsew1988
@dimitrizaitsew1988 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Ian. Great work, as always. My main question is unrelated to the lance rest itself. Out of 100% soldiers on medieval battlefield how many % were actually wearing full plate harness? Is it true that only the rich could afford full harness? Or did medieval army almost entirely consist of men-at-arms? Maybe you have some ideas on this subject.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
It's a difficult question to answer because there is no one standard proportion across the board, and it can probably vary pretty significantly from one army to another. Overall, it is likely that the percentage of fully armored men-at-arms was a lot lower than less armored troops in a given army, but not always. English armies of the hundred years war might have a lot of dismounted knights and squires, but even then at battles like Agincourt, estimates put the men-at-arms at about 1 to every 6 archers. Among those men-at-arms, only a small percentage would actually be dubbed knights, whereas the French may have had a completely different proportion of men-at-arms because of the way they organized their army.
@dimitrizaitsew1988
@dimitrizaitsew1988 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! When I subscribed to your channel more than a year ago, you had 20k subs. I'm happy to see that you're past 50k milestone now. Goodspeed, Ian. You'll have 100k subs in no time!
@hedgetwentyfour2708
@hedgetwentyfour2708 6 жыл бұрын
Seems like a pretty fragile piece under a lot of strain, was it common for it to break?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of a lance rest breaking. The lance itself should break long before the steel arret.
@adambielen8996
@adambielen8996 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like either the target would break first or the knight and the target would be pushed back before the steel suffers fatal strain.
@HBOrrgg
@HBOrrgg 6 жыл бұрын
Great video and a really fascinating topic! When looking at the rapid development of plate armor during this period people like to get hung up on "longbows!", "steel crossbows!", "early guns!" and forget the potentially major role that something as simple as a lance rest may have had. You sort glossed over the lance rest's role as an actual rest to help support the weapon's weight, but do you know if the adoption of the lance rest resulted in much longer combat lances and much greater reach during the 1400s-1500s? For instance the Swiss were supposedly first inspired to start replacing their halberds with much longer pikes after the 1422 Battle of Arbedo when they were defeated by dismounted knights using their long lances in both hands. Some late 16th century treatises claim that even infantry with polearms are very vulnerable to lancers if the point of the lance strikes the footman's chest before the point of the pike or halberd strikes the breast of the horse, which seems to suggest that absurdly long lances were a viable counter to infantry at least.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know how heavy lances got on the battlefield, but in the jousting arena they certainly took full advantage of the weight-bearing benefits of the arret and especially the queue. Some of the stechlanze used in the gestech (joust of piece) are pretty massive, and could never be used effectively on the battlefield. Here are a few examples at the KHM in Vienna - www.khm.at/objektdb/detail/373450/?offset=11&lv=list
@marcelosilveira2276
@marcelosilveira2276 6 жыл бұрын
hey, I've being thinking on writing a book happening in a medieval-like land, more specifically based on the early 1100's, and, despite adding some fictional elements I want them to be plausible, I've considered the existance of a Knight's Order called the "Crimson Ballista", the idea is that, knowing about the employment of Ballistas by the fallen empire (roman-inspired) those knights decided to recreate the tactical idea, but adapted for a "small" fief (compared to the once mighty empire), so they start to employ heavier and longer lances than the other knights, carring them in semi-couched position and releasing the lance right before impact (this way they don't absorb the impact), then they turn around and retreat to their squires, waiting for them with a new lance so they can "reload" for another charge. Does it sound too fantastical (or worse, stupid)? or would it be plausible? Could such a strong impact go through mail? Or gamberson? The squires being "unprotected" while the knights charge is not a problem, the Order operates mostly under the orders of Baron that provides the needed infantary to keep oposing knights from attacking the squires. I saw your video and thought you could know better than me the reason it was not actually done in history, and therefore if it is a stupid idea.
@erikdue4284
@erikdue4284 6 жыл бұрын
Letting go of the lance would severely reduce its penetrative power. You have to remember Newton's third law - all impacts are two-way, so if your knight (and his horse) isn't absorbing the force of the impact, his target won't be, either. No matter how heavy you make a lance, it's still only going to be a few percent of the mass of a warhorse and rider, so when you let go of it, it's only going to have a few percent of the momentum. I don't know exactly how ineffective it would be, but it would probably be a lot worse than the alternatives. A more sensible alternative would be giving them crossbows that they shoot at point-blank before riding back out of range. Aside from physics, there's also a few points that seem strange to me if you're going for a 12th-century-like setting. First off, I don't think secular military orders of knights were a thing before the 14th century. All the older ones I can think of were monastic in nature, and the early secular ones were pretty much all founded and run by kings or princes, not lesser nobility like barons. Second, the idea that knights would need infantry support from their superiors seems a little off - knights didn't just show up for battle with their own gear, they were also expected to raise infantry troops. The exact number of subordinates would vary depending on the wealth of the knight and the time and place, but a common minimum for a relatively poor knight would be a light cavalryman (often his squire) and an infantryman or archer.
@marcelosilveira2276
@marcelosilveira2276 6 жыл бұрын
hm, I see, I imagined the lance would work similar to an arrow, given it also hits the target without someone absorbing the sock. Actually, I chose 12th Century because it is when the crusades begin, the very first military orders originated then, though the majority were monastic in nature, despite their knights, it's a extension I'm making for my scenario, more specifically, the Lord of a fief is trying to ascend from Baron to Count, and as such he is subduing the neighboring fiefs, these "Order" would actually be the knights of one said fiefs that were absorbed by the Baron, in their submission they were given this weird status as an Order, something new to the scenario, but that would let them leave the war not as subdued foes, but as knights in servitude to a new Lord> finally, the last point will be taken into account for patrols, but given they were recently defeated by this other fief, they won't bring infantary of their own kind of as a safe measure by the winner, those knights, though defeated, proved their valor and were offered a chance to become elite troops of their conqueror, but giving them the means to raise full troops of their own is to ask for a rebellion, so they could keep the knights, but the infantary would be given by the conqueror (which is also a clever way to say "you will die for me in battle while I stay and watch, but if anyone comes mess up with you I'm here")
@erikdue4284
@erikdue4284 6 жыл бұрын
The difference in velocity between arrows and lance strikes results in very different types of impact. The slower speed means it takes more time to transfer the same amount of force into the target, giving the target more time to dissipate and redirect. It's like the difference between a push and a punch. (also, as an aside, shooting an arrow does require the shooter to absorb the force of the string pulling the arrow forwards.)
@marcelosilveira2276
@marcelosilveira2276 6 жыл бұрын
Erik Due thanks, that have being enlightening, though disapointing, I really liked the idea :/
@gpgpgpgp1000
@gpgpgpgp1000 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know if knights or other lance users were ever knocked off their horse from the force of impacting their target? It seems like the rider would be receiving quite a shock upon impact. Did the deep medieval saddles prevent this from happening?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
The most likely scenario is that the lance breaks, but it is possible to unhorse yourself (it happens occasionally in jousting). The war saddle is deep to help prevent unhorsing though.
@billy123174
@billy123174 6 жыл бұрын
great stuff,,
@Tymdek
@Tymdek 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always :D Never really thought about lance rest before...but now I am curious, wouldn't a lance rest possibly be a hindrance in fighting with (for example) a sword? I imagine the thing getting in the way of your arm when doing some cuts and/or parries... In the other hand, this might not be that much of an issue to be relevant. Anyway, I wanted to ask you if there are possibly more videos to come on more civilian clothing items, for example like you did with the Bocksten man style cloak. Because other than that and the soft kit overview, you haven't done anything in that regard since then. I'd really look forward to seeing more of this, since I literally know nothing about the topic, apart fro. what you have already talked about. Greetings from Germany :D Greetings from Germany
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
Hi! I don't wear a lance rest, so I can't speak from personal experience, but being familiar with armor in general I don't think it would be too much of a hindrance. The primary reason is that on war harnesses, most lance rests are removable or at least _movable_ when not in use. If it's on, or in position, it's because you need to use it. If you're on foot with a pollaxe for example, the lance rest wouldn't be worn or it would be kept in the stowed position if hinged. Also, in armor, it's very difficult, if not impossible to adduct your arm across your chest to begin with because of the interaction of the breastplate and rerebrace and sometimes the pauldron, so the amount of interference the lance rest would introduce might be more limited than if you had full freedom of movement. Lastly, techniques in harness are often different enough from the more conventional cuts and parries in unarmored fighting that some of that potential is mitigated by virtue of those differences, but I suspect if one finds themselves on foot, with a lance rest on and extended, there will exist the possibility of interference at certain times, but I think that scenario is the exception to the rule. With regard to soft kit, I have a good enough working knowledge of clothing that I can make my own basic kit, but the depth of that knowledge is nowhere as robust as my knowledge of armor. For that reason I've avoided making more videos about soft kit because I don't want to accidentally contribute to misinformation on a subject that I'm not as well-versed in. Lord knows, there is enough bad information on KZbin :) I may develop some less in-depth videos focused on soft kit in the future though.
@Tymdek
@Tymdek 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Meh, I didn't think about that but yes, I agree. About the soft kit, that would be great, since I don't really know any more than the information you provided 😅 Anyway, thanks for the reply :D Greetings
@m.s.79
@m.s.79 4 жыл бұрын
When did the grapper started being used?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 4 жыл бұрын
Around the early 1300s.
@m.s.79
@m.s.79 4 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant Thanks for the fast reply. Love your work. Do you mind if i make a request for a video detailing the concept of being a knight, squire or page, like: what are the prerequisites to be one, what are the laws the define such, what is expected of each one and how does that change through the middle ages. I was looking for this kind of information but the best that i could get (if i didnt understand it wrong) was that based on the assize of arms of 1181 in England, a knight was any free man that owned a knightly fee.
@nicholasbenjamin3826
@nicholasbenjamin3826 6 жыл бұрын
Whose the old guy modeling the armor with the arret?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
Bob Charrette, he is the founder of my living history organization and portrayed our group's knight for many years. He has also published an instructional book on Fiore and is in the process of writing a much larger series on the same - facebook.com/SchermitoreCharrette/
@nicholasbenjamin3826
@nicholasbenjamin3826 6 жыл бұрын
I thought I'd seen him before on KZbin, but I didn't remember it was on this channel.
@carterhickenlooper8784
@carterhickenlooper8784 6 жыл бұрын
Did the English use the lance rest? I know they fought largely on foot. Looking at effigy from 1400 to 14500 I don't think I've seen any.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
They did, but they adopted it a while later than everyone else. Dr. Capwell notes in Armour of the English Knight 1400-1450 that you don't really see them in England until the second half of the 15th century. You do see some lance-specific adaptations a little earlier though, usually a cutout in the right pauldron to accommodate placement of a couched lance.
@martinhuhn7813
@martinhuhn7813 6 жыл бұрын
There is at least one point which I do not understand about the system. A rider with an unsupported lance can let it go after hitting his target and therefore does not knock himself out of the saddle. But how does that work with this almost entirely fixed system? Against another knight with perfect armour, I guess, hitting a good spot so that the other guy drops and the attacer does not feel the full force. But as soon as an opponent is pierced by the lance, the lance is entirely stoped. Doesn´t that necessarily knock the attacer with the fixed lance out of the saddle? If not: Why? How does it work? And if it does: Why would a knight use the system?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
The high cantle of the medieval war saddle is designed to help deeply seat the rider into his fighting platform to help mitigate some of the risk of unhorsing himself, but with the exception of unusually heavy lances used exclusively on the tournament field, if the forces are that great on a war lance the lance itself is more likely to break than it is to unhorse the lancer. The lance rest will stop the rearward motion of the lance but it is not locked into the rider as much as a tournament rest and queue (the hooked arm that projects rearward) so the lance can still be released if it does not break. While I'm sure it's possible to unhorse yourself under the right circumstances, I think the evidence suggests that the benefits far outweighed such a risk.
@martinhuhn7813
@martinhuhn7813 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. That helped a lot.
@zizkazenit7885
@zizkazenit7885 6 жыл бұрын
Very good pronunciation of Stechzeug
@chezekeeper
@chezekeeper 6 жыл бұрын
I missed you
@lordhermis8718
@lordhermis8718 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Just got myself a breastplate but it came with one of the leather strips torn off.
@ExhumedFromBed
@ExhumedFromBed 6 жыл бұрын
Where does one buy armour? I'm trying to get into HEMA myself.
@lordhermis8718
@lordhermis8718 6 жыл бұрын
Doomed To Respawn i got it from "get dressed for battle" its not costumfitted to me but it has leather straps that adjust to me very well. But as i said, my breastplate had a leather strip that was torn so i have to work that out.
@ExhumedFromBed
@ExhumedFromBed 6 жыл бұрын
That was helpful info. Thank you.
@lordhermis8718
@lordhermis8718 6 жыл бұрын
Doomed To Respawn i got my padding from steel mastery.
@awoods9793
@awoods9793 6 жыл бұрын
This makes me wonder how far armor would have evolved if gunpowder weapons weren't invented. Could non gunpowder weapons keep up with armor technology if it continued on into modern times?
@ebenleroux7433
@ebenleroux7433 6 жыл бұрын
Ian? Is that you? From Forgotten Weapons?
@komnenosdoukas7201
@komnenosdoukas7201 6 жыл бұрын
Nice beard man!
@VietnamWarShorts
@VietnamWarShorts 6 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant hello Ian X-Infinity here, havent been here for almost a year, god I miss this channel, I went to london castle to see the 15th century armor the knights used, and as well as 16th-17th century pieces
@iopklmification
@iopklmification 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, great video Ian, but as a Frenchman I must tell you the t in arrêt is silent, otherwise it sounds like arête, i.e. fish bone...
@davidweihe6052
@davidweihe6052 6 жыл бұрын
Is that in Medieval French, or Modern French? At the time of the Battle of Agincourt, the French still pronounced the final 't', at least according to Toby Capewell and Matt Easton's videos touching on that battle.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
I am carrying on the long hallowed tradition of Anglophones mangling French pronunciation.
@iopklmification
@iopklmification 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know about Medieval French, if those guys says it's not silent they're probably right...but how did they say fish bone then ? that's the real question
@iopklmification
@iopklmification 6 жыл бұрын
It's ok, to be fair most of us are carrying the long tradition of mangling English pronunciation
@sarrumac
@sarrumac 6 жыл бұрын
The way you pronounce arret is incorrect. The t is silent. You are saying bonefish in french right now :-)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a native English speaker. It's my sworn duty to mispronounce French. :)
@sarrumac
@sarrumac 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant lol
@MrMaxBoivin
@MrMaxBoivin 6 жыл бұрын
the last "T" in "arrêt" is silent.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
I'm just carrying on the good and historically accurate tradition of Anglophones massacring French pronunciation :)
@davidweihe6052
@davidweihe6052 6 жыл бұрын
Check out Toby Capewell's videos on Agincourt, largely on the scolagladiatoria channel. He claimed that the final 'T' was still pronounced in the French of the time.
@DzinkyDzink
@DzinkyDzink 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the questions I always had about knights charging full speed and impaling someone with a lance: wouldn't the force transfered back to the rider wrench the lance out of his hands? And even if the Arret stops the lance wouldn't the amount of force involved unhorse him or cause damage to the rider or the horse? That granny pushing the lance looks cute but hardly scientifically accurate, we need a true horseman to test this out! On a side note: what about targeting the horse in a cav vs cav fight? I doubt "honor" wins over pragmatism, there have to be practical reasons that make it a bad decision. On another side note: I know that lance are tapered down towards the striking point but how much weight imbalance towards the butt end they actually have in order to make them more wieldy and accurate at such lengths? Do they have something akin a pommel to add extra weight? Can a lance be improved with modern composite materials to offset the weight distribution even further towards the buttend without sacrificing integrity.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
If the lance meets that much resistance it will break, but it is possible for a rider to unhorse himself if the lance is particularly heavy or the leverages are unusual.
@DzinkyDzink
@DzinkyDzink 6 жыл бұрын
What about a regular strike into the center of toroso of a footman? What about other question? Do you have thoughts on those?
@thomaszaccone3960
@thomaszaccone3960 6 жыл бұрын
Very strong mount+lance rest+ strong enough opponent and mount = broken back (?)
@callumtostevin-hall2044
@callumtostevin-hall2044 6 жыл бұрын
*Broken lance
@electronkaleidoscope5860
@electronkaleidoscope5860 6 жыл бұрын
Man my Birthday just got noticeably better
@roccoautelitano7330
@roccoautelitano7330 5 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Armury Smith (www.armorysmith.com/) for buying a 16th century close helmet?
@lucbourhis3142
@lucbourhis3142 6 жыл бұрын
Great historical presentation! Thanks! Nitpicking: The final T in "arrêt" is not pronounced in French. Not in modern French, and I think not in the French of the time period of this armour implement (but it was pronounced closer to the 10th century). Well, I am not a linguist but I am French!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm carrying on the long and hallowed tradition of Anglophones massacring French pronunciation ;)
@markvandergragt5444
@markvandergragt5444 6 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend saw a picture of a breastplate with an Arret de Cuirasse on the front of it, and asked why there was a coat hanger.
@theamastorian7334
@theamastorian7334 6 жыл бұрын
I pray my channel can one day hold up to this standard😆
@JS-wp4gs
@JS-wp4gs 6 жыл бұрын
Uh, actually a better, if more literal translation would be lance stopper. Arret means stop in french
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
4:30
@adambielen8996
@adambielen8996 6 жыл бұрын
So like arrest in English.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 4 жыл бұрын
The german word is Rüsthaken.
@cucumbersman1059
@cucumbersman1059 6 жыл бұрын
a very *joosy* target
@nrom6786
@nrom6786 6 жыл бұрын
curl that mustache
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