The Last Jedi's AWFUL Fight Choreography | EFAP Highlight

[@TheBloch007]

I love Mauler calling a lightsaber whip regarded, back in 2018, when Acolyte came out last year xD

[@gs4011]

It's a cool idea but it makes absolutely no sense regardless of which way you try to explain it.

[@mbob4337]

@@gs4011 Yeah. Even if you want to argue. They use the force to control it. So you want to use your focus on the force. On your weapon. More than your enemy? Because It would require a lot more work. Blocking enemy force power. Using normal force powers. Use Saber whip.

[@xavrag2225]

To be fair (sort of) the whole lightsaber whip was already canonized well before the sequels

[@r3dr4te963]

There are various fiction (Western and Anime) that depict light/laser-whip weapon. I found most of them share same characteristic, unwieldy and unreliable, would kill its own user if handled wrong

[@ProjectRedfoot]

It's like having a curved lightsaber. Looks cool. Makes no sense

[@TOONYBOY]

"A hero would have told everyone the plan and risked it getting back to The First Order" No, a hero would have instilled confidence and loyalty from her team when they're in the most hopeless, darkest hour without having to tell everyone every detail of the plan. Again, Poe didn't need to know exactly what the plan was, he just wanted assurance that they were not going to all die in the cold vacuum of space due to the incompetence of a woman with more responsibility than she was prepared to handle

[@12brunni]

I mean, all she needed to do was find the people who she could trust that others trust. A list that is actually quite small. Literally all she needed to do to avoid mutiny was tell poe the plan, she knows he's not a traitor and the others trust him.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

I can't tell you how much I dislike this movie because the words don't exist. [I thought I was over it] 😅

[@ericchung3177]

"Tell us... that we HAVE A PLAN." "Hope is like the sun..."

[@TOONYBOY]

@@ericchung3177 I was enjoying Star Wars Squadrons, right up until they had Leia drop that line unironically, implying that THAT'S where Holdo got the line from. You can even see my reaction to it in my series. The moment I realized what I just heard and what it meant they were doing, _right at the end of the game,_ it just ruined the whole experience

[@rowdeemunkee]

When he first showed up I liked the idea of cinema wins, the positivity was a nice change. But yea, toxic positivity is the perfect way to describe him

[@Aspi3Gam3r]

I was never a fan of CinemaWins even before he became a regular subject of scorn and ridicule on EFAP. My initial thought upon seeing his channel for the first time was that he was a lame copycat of CinemaSins.

[@leecameron9226]

​@@Aspi3Gam3rmauler is a pathetic immature individual calling things terrible because his unrealistic standards weren't met last jedi was a boring movie but nothing was terrible about it just star wars fans with no life

[@hafirenggayuda]

​@@Aspi3Gam3rI used to thought the channels are related/ same people working on it

[@Thomas-o4j1p]

Being a Hero and being a Glory Hound are very much NOT the same thing.

[@samael4550]

I agree, but I will say, a glory hound CAN still be a hero.

[@gs4011]

4:30 this point is stupid and I will now dismantle it: Holdo is worried about spies on the ship, okay. This is a valid concern, so what she should do is take Po and ONLY PO aside into a room she's certain isn't being spied on, explain the plan to him, and tell him to inform the other uneasy rebels that there is a plan and to be ready for orders. This, coming from Po whom they trust and respect, would set them at ease. "Uuuuhm, but like, what if she suspects Po is Acktually the traitor?!" Then she's a moron. Po just led a sewerslide mission as the tip of the spear which ended in the destruction of an invaluable imperial asset, this mission could have EASILY resulted in his death at any point by sheer coincidence or friendly fire. This means that if he IS a traitor, he's not just being offered some cash, it means he would HAVE to be a First Order ZEALOT to risk such a dangerous mission. Po is quite obviously NOT a First Order Zealot, because they've all known him for years and had zero reason to suspect as much from him, especially considering he'd have had a great many opportunities to betray them before now. TLDR: There's no possible explanation for why not explaining the plan makes sense.

[@LuckyTheReviewer]

Not only that, a couple of days before this, Po was entrusted to go and retrieve crucial info about where Luke was. There is nothing between the Force Awakens and TLJ that would make Po being a mole for the First Order make any sense meaning the mole thing would have had to been an issue prior to the events of TFA which just makes them sending Po to retrieve this info on where Luke fucking Skywalker is suppose to be even dumber because if you suspected he was a mole for the First Order this whole time why would you send him to retrieve the data. And if the mole thing was because they believed he may have been compromised when he got captured in TFA, why wasn't that something you checked when he got back to the rebel base off screen in TFA? Surely making sure one of your best pilots has not been compromise by the enemy would be a very important thing to do once he got back. You wouldn't send a pilot you suspect may be compromise on an attack to destroy the Starkiller base, when he could potentially turn against your forces and prevent the base from being destroyed thus dooming you all, right? That would be silly.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

On top of destroying the dreadnought. Poe played a key role in the destruction of Starkiller base not long before. If Poe is the mole, which is just a ridiculous leap of logic, then his mission has to be more than just a simple sabotage mission cause he's had ample opportunity to severely damage the Rebellion. Which he hasn't done yet.

[@gs4011]

@@beowulfsrevenge4369 Either that or he's the worst double agent in history.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

@gs4011 That too.

[@Burkhart4192]

Poe has an E in his name.

[@derekfcc]

I can’t believe Mauler can think he’s right when he used Light Mode. Clearly, he’s a Wrong-Man

[@AppleInk]

Sweet, making fun of the sequel trilogy is my only joy in life

[@andrewwall4155]

It’s not about fighting what you hate! It’s about saving what you love!

[@AppleInk]

@andrewwall4155 LMAO

[@tahuluke6133]

the sequel trilogy twitted my tipples first time I saw it

[@AppleInk]

@tahuluke6133 LOL

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

But stormtrooper bonk head. And Jedi let Creamy Sheev stab them...actually that's also dumb.

[@looinrims]

But Jawas and Ewoks did the exist!

[@charlesruteal9062]

But but that was because of Creamy Sheev's patented Sith Reeeee™, which had a 70 percent chance to inflict 5 seconds of stun on opposing Jedi when used as your first action (guaranteed on non-Jedi). It says so in a book somewhere (or maybe it was a CD-ROM).

[@jacknicholson2071]

Don't forget Count Dooku's Sith Block.

[@ajtallent4501]

@@charlesruteal9062is that incredibly stupid? Absolutely! Is it still way better than the throne room fight? Absolutely!

[@Lemon_Inspector]

@@charlesruteal9062 If I was a space cop attempting to arrest a senator, I might get momentarily stunned by seeing an old man leap into the air and turn into a blender. It's hard to say for sure.

[@Gaia1054]

I’ll never forget watching TLJ on opening and when Holdo scolds Po I thought “oh so she’s the mole sabotaging the resistance” then she refuses to tell anyone the plan thus providing more evidence. Then when she’s revealed to be a good guy I thought “oh so there must be mole on board and just didn’t know who to trust” just for the mole theory to literally never be brought up in this stupid film. Only good thing to come from it was I found Mauler who made me feel sane for pointing out every grievance I had with the film. Had me going “finally someone gets it!”

[@enthiegavoir5955]

Hope youtube doesn't block my comment, but i remember someone claiming the throne room fight was smart because it was interplay between s3x and violence with all the huffing, long sticks, and the weird back lift. Anyone who's been to college has encountered hacks to relate everything to Freud...

[@samael4550]

It’s a problem with everything in nerd culture. Our sacred, non-degenerate spaces have been invaded by sexual deviants. They have to put romance and sexual tension into everything because it’s the only way they can enjoy things. (And not that nerds don’t enjoy love stories, but there’s a time and a place. It doesn’t need to be shoved into every singular story.)

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Freud or Marx. Usually a mixture of 20th century hacks with questionable ideas and even worse morals.

[@c-o-b-o-2010]

Parts like this is why I’ve seen the sequels only once and regret it

[@defeqel6537]

Saw FA twice, once in the theater, saw TLJ once and gave up on SW. I have quite enjoyed the shit show via YT reviews / discussions though

[@looinrims]

The good old days, when we just bashed the last Jedi

[@stormcutter59]

When did that go away?

[@EnDK64]

@@stormcutter59 We keep bashing it because journos keep bringing it up. They can't "let the past die"

[@stormcutter59]

@@EnDK64 OH dude the Star Wars defense squad has been absolutely NONSTOP in trying to legitimize the Disney fanfiction we've been getting. It would a lot funnier if it wasn't absolutely annoying. Their is no arguing with a cultist.

[@looinrims]

@ eh they bash other stuff Like boogie

[@JoeSyxpack]

It's so quaint, isn't it?

[@DarthPawz]

Well you have too remember that TLJ is set in a Disney fanatical universe…

[@grandmasterchris9666]

And most people don’t know what a Y-Wing is.

[@MysticTroll]

​@@grandmasterchris9666 THEY FLY NOW

[@nisonatic]

@@MysticTroll They fly now?!?

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@nisonaticthey fly now…

[@Ron_Jambo_]

I'M AXING YOU 😭

[@gamingonamonday6342]

The fights in this trilogy are so bad. Sure untrained people fighting like this? Maybe. But kylo ren, who was trained? Are you fucking kidding me? Any of the republic era jedi or sith would clap these people so hard.

[@mysite1012]

A youngling in the Prequel era could clap any of these fools in saber combat.

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

20:51 To answer Rags here, the explanation for Kyle Ben’s edgeboi saber is that its Kyber Crystal is broken into three large pieces. The two smallest ones make the guard while the largest forms the blade.

[@enthiegavoir5955]

Ngl I actually thought the idea of the lightsaber being so unstable due to him using a broken crystal was cool.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

It would be funny if they established that the construction of two Death Stars has depleted the known galaxy's supply of decent quality Khyber crystals, so every saber constructed after that is going to be defective in some way.

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

That would’ve required the writers of the sequels thinking about more than “Wow that’ll look really cool.” But they were led by Rian and J.J., so obviously not.

[@r3dr4te963]

tbf, Kylo is obsessed to replace/surpass Vader, he would unironically think the saber being cool

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Everytime the Disneylogy come up with explanations it only makes everything worse

[@stormcutter59]

Its amazing how CinemaWins can only give wins for the most tiniest and useless ways. Cause their is next to no substantially good things in this crap job of a film

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Kylo trying to command the guard and having them deny his authority could have been a great moment and lead to him joining with Rey to build something new in line with Lukes dissolutionment with the force - but then they wouldnt be able to have him command the FO forces on Krayt and then fight luke for no reason. In charge of the order even though he killed all those guards and the supreme leader and fought with rey who he lets go for no reason Its like it was written in one draft by some hack or something

[@StefunnyStrange]

Screen crush just told me that this fight was AMAZING and better than the prequels and original trilogy. I just finished watching that video and then got recommended this video right after. So the KZbin gods know that I need a cleanse after enduring over 20 minutes of bullsh*t and shilling from Screencrush. 😂

[@Zejgar]

As a fan of Power Rangers, it's funny to see the "background mook dance" in high budget movies.

[@robertb7293]

Jumping on the Holdo slap down once more. I'm still convinced she's worse than people realise. I've been getting into arguments while trying to wrap my head around the Raddus's chain of command. Holdo is the fleets flag officer. Okay. Who is the ships rank officer then? Because flag officers give orders THROUGH rank officers. It appears to be Poe. Holdo doesn't just destroy morale, she dissolves the Raddus's chain of command. The resistance as an organisation doesn't exist past this point. It's just a girlboss and her personal captives. Protect the fucking light indeed.

[@nisonatic]

Yeah, Poe is a captain, so he's about as senior in rank as aviators get. The whole dispute with him and Leia over the dreadnought simply wouldn't happen, because they'd be in agreement over mission priorities. And, given all the bombers they sent, they had clearly decided to engage the dreadnought. A guy like Rian Johnson just can't write senior officers. The situations, attitudes, dialogue, none of it works.

[@PoopaChallupa]

What's always bugged me is when Sabine is ran thru. The choreography has her freeze with her saber above her head for no reason. The timing is way off.

[@DeetotheDubs]

That has always bugged me. And the "wound" wasn't scorched skin on her back or stomach.

[@harrisonshouldice5451]

I was on acid the first time I watched this movie and still thought it sucked

[@zetokaiba5867]

Get into rehab man ✊

[@JSPena]

Damn

[@EatWave]

15:30 Episode 4 had Vader and Kenobi fence rather than swing their Lightsabers but some people found that boring so the saber fights gradually became more frenetic over time.

[@ericchung3177]

The fighting in 4 was so slow and unenergetic because the battery-powered spinning reflective blades the sabers had for 4 were super fragile and would snap if you actually smacked them together. To remedy this, George and the gang replaced them with simple metal poles in the hilts and let the actors and stuntmen wail on each other, hence the much more lively fights in the rest of the series.

[@walkir2662]

"She didn't need to hold it reverse grip." Yeah, in the same way you don't need to jump in front of a car. It's never a good idea.

[@jonsimpson6240]

There is basically one time a reverse grip is practical. When you have pushed an armored knight to the ground and are sitting on him trying to get a dagger through gaps in his armor. Any other time it is a grip of desperation “I grabbed a weapon in desperate need and that’s how it landed in my grip.” You should never choose a reverse grip.

[@r3dr4te963]

@@jonsimpson6240 As some experts (not Shad) analyze, reverse grip are good for carrying long blade, like how fighters carry their sheathed swords with hands. It kinda make sense when stealth fighters (ninja, assassin) use reverse grip when sneaking around, not for open fight

[@jonsimpson6240]

@@r3dr4te963 for carrying, sure. but that is never what is being talked about.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

Any time someone mentions that scene Shad starts having ptsd flashbacks & randomly cursing like he's got Tourette's 😂

[@Lemon_Inspector]

Wolf, please make a compilation of all the times E;R spoke on EFAP.

[@MICHAELILES12]

That whole fight scene was a joke 😂. Star wars is a joke thanks Disney 😂.

[@iambob6590]

How the hell does knowing where the escape pods are mean you're a coward or a traitor? It's standard practice to know the locations of such things, every crew member would have that drilled into them.

[@mbob4337]

Let's place the who cares about Snoke defense. On top of Vader. Instead of finding out that Vader was Luke's Father. He'd be killed off like Snoke. Empire wouldn't be considered the best of the three films. Vader is no one. Now you can't make the prequels. Gee I wonder why making your main villian important to the story, matters.

[@PooVoo]

So much lore in this efap…

[@chromicm6686]

29:18 That one didnt age, quite so well...

[@nqk_0662]

Wait this very fight scene had some guy freak out at his friend cause he thought this fight “ it wasn’t bad “ but then said another fight was bad even tho it wasn’t

[@seankoas]

Rags is such a menace and I love it

[@seankoas]

I think a cool idea instead of the “are they light side or dark side” would be to follow an individual from a young age who was harmed by both and actively pursued to dismantle both sides but also has no desire to lead. Just a “you both suck” type of character 😂

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Kreia is just bitter that she’s an absolute failure of a Jedi or Sith

[@NATESUCKSATGAMING]

When you make the first in a franchise the original movie will probably have things in it that "just were" when you watch Star wars A New Hope it's clear that there is more going on but it's not necessary to the story. To take his quote and reapply it correctly " who gives a fuck about the emperor during a new hope" And the only valid question is actually answered in the fact that there is a follow-up movie. When you finish a new hope the question would be "did they really win" because somewhere in the back of your head you're thinking well what about that emperor guy.

[@Starwarslegorob]

EFAP #17 , we’ve come so far !

[@platinumdisco5563]

Ah yes, the OG

[@mrbigglezworth42]

The only person I suspected of being a traitor and saboteur of the First Order, was Holdo herself. Her sheer level on incompetence and undermining Poe and other rebel leaders had me thinking for sure it was her… And then it subverted my expectations by saying she was good all along. What a terrible twist.

[@keoyeo8941]

27:54 chat, clip that

[@pagannova3621]

wait, Praetorian weapons and Greivous bodyguard droids' weapons, they're not the same material? the not-beskar that resists lightsaber..or was that energy field, i don't remember well

[@citizen3000]

Cortisis weave, is it

[@citizen3000]

The sad thing is that I remembered that off the top of my head and I'm not even into Star Wars particularly lol

[@Zepher0987]

The only thing I'll ever defend in this fight scene is I am pretty sure that was a force kick.

[@xelldincht4251]

Dishonored Wolf wrote a post-apocalyptic book. Can somebody tell me the title?

[@GiantSleepy]

“trust me more controversial things have been said in EFAP videos than in E;R’s videos” (12:36). Said not 15 seconds after a very wolfy (AOC voice) “sig hail”.

[@Kreozot2D]

if you bring e;r, you should also bring evil maxine as far as I remember, turning lightsaber off was a forbidden technique used by very few sith when pressing on the enemy who is blocking they basically press on the enemy with lightsabers crossed, and turn the lightsaber off-on quickly to "dishonestly" kill the enemy while the enemy's lightsaber position doesn't pose a threat but that's either from expanded universe or from some fanfic

[@Inastewpopotogo]

I sent the original video of this to some people who liked this and they just basically said you where nitpicking. They had no defense to anything, but still insisted that it was some of the best fighting in cinema history... Also refused to watch the entire video, probably because they know it to be true😈

[@ProjectRedfoot]

I was writing a whole comment about when I saw it in theaters, but there is *SO MUCH DUMB* in that movie...

[@andrewwall4155]

Robot 🤖 Head has entered the chat 💬

[@ArchangelExile]

Interesting... 🤔

[@Norescues]

Has Andy Serkis made any good career choices since LOTR? Snoke Directed Venom 2 The new Planet of The Apes movies The Batman (granted, it wasn't his decision to have Alfred survive a C4 explosion at point-blank) Black Panther

[@Cyberleader672]

Why is Planet of Apes on here? That's considered one of his best performances ever

[@TheBlairAngel]

Andor is the only thing that come to mind rn, at least on the performance side. Plus what cyber said, A.S performance in that is the only reason I like it tbh.

[@Norescues]

@Cyberleader672 you're right about performance for sure. I'm only speaking in terms of the project in its entirety. Serkis hasn't given a bad performance in anything I can recall. I just didn't think Planet of the Apes was all that good

[@DeetotheDubs]

I liked him in Age of Ultron, though it wasn't stellar.

[@Norescues]

@DeetotheDubs was he really in that movie? Shows how quickly it was wiped from my memory lol

[@mreszotnik]

Guys, with this level of negativity and bad faith, everything, even this majestic scene can be made to look awful. Imagine watching the ESB with someone who complains: - how AT-ATs are stupid camel-like boxy machines, how defeating them with towing cables was unrealistic, - how the damsel Luke saved in original Star Wars was stolen from him by bad boy Han, - how Luke in general is presented as a soyak and loser, losing nearly every confrontation, and being made fun of by a Muppet, - how the entire chase sequence through asteroid field is stupid, without Falcon shooting back, with asteroids in unrealistic distances and with stupid space worms - how Han hiding Falcon by attaching itself to command tower of a Star Destroyer was beyond nonsensic, - how "No, I am your father" reveal destroyed the characters of Luke, Obi-wan, Vader and the Jedi as a whole at the same time, - etc, etc. All of the above is technically true... if you are super mean-spirited about your criticism. I bet you would not have a lot of fun with that person. You would end up either agreeing with this individual to fit the mold... or call that person what they are - a true killjoy. That's what this video sounds like - some genuine valid criticism mixed with bad faith and bias. Made by an edgelord.

[@pitkindefines]

2 hours ago Yes let’s go

[@TheTalan]

Listen I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy but aren't force users the only ones that can use lightsabers so effectively are force sensitives. Yes I'm aware there are exceptions to that rule. However, that's not relevant in this scene. Force sensitives use the force to sense things around them especially living things so with that being said can someone either correct me or explain why People with the ability to use to force couldn't fight like this or why Maul couldn't fight like he does. Given the rules established in the story of starwars i dont understand the reason why this couldn't work.

[@luke_4252]

The throne room fight scene has blunder after blunder from a choreography perspective that cannot be explained by "they have the force". The guards repeatedly either deliberately miss swings, swing directly for Rey or Kylo's lightsabers (including that one moment where Kylo rams his saber into the floor for some reason and a guard then deliberately swings at that), or otherwise behave incompetently. Rey somehow managed to kick three guards back in different directions despite only connecting with one of them (force-shockwave kick is not a thing, don't pretend like it is), Kylo misses multiple openings because he decided to punch the armoured guardsmen instead of going for a lethal strike with his saber, Rey stands there helplessly while a whip-sword is wrapped around her saber when she could simply point it in front of her and step backwards to release it, and let's not forget a whole entire weapon vanishes into thin air over a couple of frames because otherwise the guard holding it would have stabbed Rey. No part of this fight scene was good.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

In terms of Maul, as a Sith Assassin who has precog and is trying to throw off an enemy his dual sided lightsaber is completely practical once he has practiced enough to master using it. The TLJ fights and choreography are absolute garbage though and chock full of stuff that doesn't make any sense at all.