The Last Of Us Episode 5 Emotionally Wrecks Audience

[@izumolee6714]

The performances of the actors for Henry & Sam really elevated the emotional impact of the whole episode. Both of them were incredible in such a short amount of time.

[@Timetoletgo100]

Elie trying to save Sam is a smart and very significant add-on to the original story, coz this gives Elie a real reason to want to cure the world.

[@nilodeguzmanjr.8164]

I disagree , this episode is great show. I heard why Sam didn't attack Ellie while at slept is because he is deaf and cordycep is attracted to sunlight reason why he is looking at the window, he only attack when Ellie touch him.

[@thehutch1674]

They found the actor for Sam through goddamn twitter because no one they initially auditioned fit/were good enough. It’s his first acting job too. Kids got a future, he was fantastic

[@nikunjdixit1175]

The ending with Henry shooting Sam and his reaction is what gets me. His shock and disbelief at what he did and his realization that he has nothing to live for gutted me.

[@ToneDesh]

Lamar & Keivonn’s performance as Henry & Sam - SO GOOD. 🙌🏾🔥

[@vincentsolis5149]

The most tragic part was realizing that the older brother died believing he was a bad guy. Horrifying way to go out.

[@wilcee238]

He was a bad guy. He sold out the leader of the resistance.

[@andykww]

The change to Sam being deaf worked so well, I actually thought he was also deaf in the game. But then I rewatched the cutscene and he wasn't.

[@desertfox2000]

The writers were like how can we wreck the audience even more than the game. I know let's make Sam younger, deaf, leukemia survivor and even more adorable.

[@Yvellkan]

John, the bloater kill is how you die in the game if you get caught by one. Its a really nice touch.

[@chuckbartowski6588]

Someone on reddit pointed out that it's likely Sam actually sat turned away from Ellie on purpose so he couldn't see her when he turned and since he's deaf he didn't know she was there until she touched his shoulder.

[@willyjohnson444]

Ok bro

[@kkjhn41]

So, he asked her to stay awake with him so she wouldn't see him change?

[@thorneyquins8780]

The actors henry and sam may get small projects or even bigger because of how they delivered in this episode...i hope they can appear in disney tv projects or other drama/action movies...

[@MagicalMaddy94]

This show has taught me that the fact that I tune in to watch every week apparently I enjoy getting punched right in the feelings. I haven't played the game, so wasn't expecting that ending. I was shaken! Those performances too. Oh my goodness. Every single actor/actress on this show has been incredible, regardless if they're in for one episode or even one scene. Seriously, how is this show so good? It's amazing. I was thrilled when the episode came out two days earlier than normal, only downside is waiting and extra two days longer for another episode!

[@HealingSwordsman]

Also this ep was so sad. The new leader of the city essentially doomed their settlement by pursuing revenge and also destroyed the horrible sacrifice the dude had to make to save his little brother where it was all for naught anyway. Everybody lost in a very tragic way.

[@654ethan]

It’s really crazy how accurate they are to how the messed up situations happens w Henry and Sam

[@Andrea-nom]

A simply wonderful episode. This episode tore my heart out and sold it on the black market.

[@c-tha-man9463]

Agreed! Episode 5 was the most intense/emotional so far...at least for me!

[@Turc18]

Henry said that he never killed anyone. But the first person he killed turned out to be his brother.

[@xtrememayhem]

and 2nd turned out to be henry

[@faimohkihfaimohkih8223]

Last time I felt this much gut wrenching emotion from a TV episode was the end of the train heist scene from breaking bad.

[@yankeegrey2810]

For me the deaths in the show have not been as impactful because I have played the game and know when they are coming, but Henry and Sam's deaths actually hit me. I think it is mostly because of Ellie's reaction. Bella Ramsey's acting in that scene was amazing. She has done a great job with the role.

[@joshuagregoire9504]

The episode that made me cry

[@s2brown]

I cried like a baby. I absolutely love this show, but it has been so emotional for me.

[@tomektalk4671]

I disagree. Kathleen’s character shows you what pain does to BAD people. She was always ruthless and selfish and narcissistic. But the apocalypse gave her a place to exploit that aspect of herself.

[@thereelsociety6487]

We don’t know who she was before the apocalypse so that doesn’t make sense.

[@RandomCreationsAI]

you are missing the point; there are no good or bad people only in Disney movies

[@tomektalk4671]

Lots of people in the show have had bad things happen, but they still have some humanity, empathy etc. Kathleen has 0 empathy and only cares about herself. That’s a character flaw that is deep and usually not something you can change. There is no cure for narcissism. Dozens of her men are being murdered and her only priority is to get what she wants. She’s manipulative etc. it’s easy to imagine those qualities toned down in a Karen that become much darker in a disaster situation. She lies easily, even to her own people. She was thrust into this position because of her brothers death; and she’s using it for her own personal benefit. It’s a Karen to the extreme. I don’t think you need to see who she was before. You see the sociopathy in her character. That’s not something that just happens to you. I didn’t like her as a villain or that actress in the role at the beginning, but after watching ep 4 and 5 several times, I now find her fascinating and such an interesting choice as a villain. A narcissist Karen thrown into a leadership position during an apocalypse. I think it’s really good.

[@tomektalk4671]

@@drekidruid exactly. She lied and told them they would have a trial. She lied and told people that Henry killed Bryan so that she would get people riled up to kill Henry when she knew it was someone else. She risked the lives of all those people to chase Henry when he was already outside the city.

[@tomektalk4671]

@@RandomCreationsAI everyone thinks they are the good guy because of their motives. And TLOU blurs the idea of who is good or bad. And most of the characters fall into a shade of gray. But there are some bad people in the franchise.

[@davidmanning2859]

All these fans that didn't play the games saying they were wrecked by the last episode.... Wait til the end of the season and next season.... Boy some people may need therapy.

[@Lee0018]

Man I played the games and I still teared up. Who are these writers/show runners because they are KILLING it! ❤️❤️

[@mongomongo7664]

"Endure and Survive" has a 9.6 rating on IMDB so far

[@gemini3399]

My favorite episode so far. Loved Henry and Sam

[@janechoy2073]

literally - every single episode is better than the previous. I don't know how they do it.

[@mattmedeiros620]

Such great perspective at 3:35!! Nobody knows what pain does to a person until you're experiencing it (especially for prolonged periods) yourself.

[@IsaiasMGPalafox]

The slight change to Sam being deaf was so good. Again, a slight change that made the story more enjoyable imo. Haven’t been disappointed w/ an episode yet. Can’t wait for the next one. Wish they would drop an episode for this coming Friday, but I’m sure they’re going back to Sundays only. 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[@Lil.Lon3Ly]

I think its because they want more emotional punch, they made him have cancer AND deaf, not to mention he's only 8 its a good call be fair.

[@traviscue2099]

Its quiet amazing how this show is only 5 episodes in, and it has audiences crying each episode.. Has any other show done this? Like ever? Westworld Season 1/Game of Thrones was amazing, but did every episode bring people to tears? Not that I can recall. This is a show that needs to be week to week, since it's so bleak. I remember playing the games and having to take breaks, not because I was playing too long, just to take an emotional break.. And the first game is so light compared to have heavy and dark/bleak the second game is!

[@darkbornelines4587]

Henry and Sam was so good in this episodes, the ending wrecked me

[@HealingSwordsman]

I didn't play the game so I was pretty surprised to see the giant fungus zombie thing come out of a hole and rip tommys head off lol!!

[@j.fragoso7451]

The way that the infected killed Tommy is one of the ways that that infected kills Joel in the game if you let him grab you. In the game you get to fight him but i could not see a way that Joel could basically solo the infected in the show.

[@patelhm]

Didn’t know this but the show runners actually cast deaf actor to play role of Sam.

[@jackhackett80]

Sam's brother did a great job acting when he had to demonstrate his internal struggle in the heat of confusion, anger, and duty

[@tambulee]

This episode was too savage. What gives them the right to emotionally wreck us like this?

[@Axaul]

Today on “Ann Campea gets her heart torn out”

[@nixequestrian3721]

Loved this episode- was the best yet for me.

[@Calvin-zy6vh]

the sound ellie made when same died

[@donovanedwards7644]

Respectfully, the casting of Kathleen was pretty bad imo. I just couldn’t feel any sympathy for what felt like some random soccer mom that found herself commanding an army of people. The opening where she’s questioning the collaborators just didn’t hit. I couldn’t take her serious at all😭😭And don’t even get me started about her voice

[@MatiZ815]

I feel like a "random soccer mom" was exactly what they were going for. IMO, your real problem is the attachment to a typical represantation of leaders and villains on screen.

[@donovanedwards7644]

@@MatiZ815 I feel it’s more the writing and the actor really. She looks and feels so innocent until she speaks because everything she says is cold and dark. Every time she was on screen it felt like she was complaining about not killing Henry already or that everyone besides her and her family should die. Her style of character being unfamiliar doesn’t immediately make me not like her. She just didn’t feel like a threat, more just a reason for Henry to want out of the city. That’s really the only complaint I or the friends I watched with had though. And it’s not like it was a deal breaker just something I felt worth questioning👍🏾

[@andrewwest3204]

I agree. I felt there was no real character development for Kathleen and her army. She felt the same at the end of the kansas city episodes as she did when she was first introduced.

[@Dragonstar13]

Oddly enough I didn't end up crying at the end, but I think it's because I was preparing myself for this part, and my heart just sunk when it happened.

[@dy120481]

I had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen, but still felt like I got kicked in the stomach when it did. The two actors who played the brothers absolutely killed it. There's some legitimately great acting on this show.

[@NivenHedinger]

I agree. I've played the game and it was so tragic 🥺

[@dy120481]

@Niven Hedinger I've never played the game, just seemed like the direction they were heading. It's cool to know that it's faithful to the game, though.

[@NivenHedinger]

@@dy120481 Yeap. TV-Show is splendid 👌

[@magoo9279]

I want to see both those young men in more stuff.

[@eduardoarmenta9232]

Bella did such an amazing job, as well as the actor who plays Sam. This series is top notch in pretty much every aspect and considering is only gonna have 2 or 3 seasons, it could become one of the best series of all time.

[@JonBonZombie]

Emotionally wrecked Half the Audience .. The rest of us know whists coming

[@RandomBlackGamer]

I just find it prolific and at the same time ironic that Kathleen was ready to kill a child and ultimately killed by 1 in the form a child clicker lol

[@zacharybrown78]

I think every episode is a masterpiece

[@jessep6330]

Also, psycho middle-age cheerleader Kathleen was amazing. Counting the weeks to "Yellowjackets".

[@Magdalena8008s]

@@Aussie27Legend oh, it's barely gotten into that. It's alluded to. But Yellowjackets is incredible. I highly suggest it to anyone. And season 2 looks incredible. So close to the premiere.

[@americdej1367]

Just thinking about experiencing that grief that Henry felt in a matter of seconds that made him take the gun on himself 💔

[@nashsanadiki3104]

Have you heard of the tale of a man named David I heard he’s one friendly of a guy 😂

[@MTTT19]

Even though I knew what was coming for Henry and Sam, it still hurt.

[@TheMediaMutants]

Same

[@marcuscj29]

I think Ellie rubbing her blood on Sam was her way to settle him down, even though she knows he'll eventually turn. Again, even though game players knew what was going to happen, adding moments like that made the climax hit a lot harder

[@INGORPG]

@@TheKillaShow yeah, she really did! That's why she is not telling anyone about it cause she naively believed (or wanted to believe) that it works.

[@espset1234]

Watching the episodes with my mother and hoooh boy, she was not ok after this one💔

[@clarkbryant8222]

Best episode of the season

[@GarrettRodman]

Perhaps an unpopular option but I loved the character of Kathleen. It took me a moment but she reminds me of Tom Hanks' character in Saving Private Ryan --go with me on this-- In that his own troops had a pool of what he did as a job before the war and nobody had "School Teacher." Both were "infected" by their experiences in their wars. I can only imagine there were people on the other side of battle who mutated into shadows of their former selves. Love this show!

[@craigoneill2216]

Played the game a tonne of times didn’t matter still floored me

[@HeWhoIsNamedPatrick]

You knew it was coming and yet it hurt just as much if not more. Henry questioning himself “ what did I do” after shooting Sam was just heartbreaking. Also because they don’t have infected everywhere like the game it made the scene that much more entertaining. I can’t remember a series where each episode gets better. Keep it up ND. I bet Ellie trying to use her blood to cure Sam will come back in later episode when Joel saves her from the surgery.

[@Kingsta2000]

Episode five from start to finish excellent, in my opinion the best so far. All the little changes from the game, they made with Henry and Sam. Added to their relationship as brothers and back story was a great addition. That action scene too was really well done, Heart ponding stuff. Lets not forget about the heart breaking ending. Even knowing what was going to happen, it was still shocking to see it in live action had me feeling very emotional.

[@james-mayonnaise007]

It was good to see ellie interacts with another young person

[@Scourge77]

In my mind, they personified the phrase 'eye for an eye,*' with her character. John adding the pain point is really good as well. The pain she felt anchored her down and she couldn't get past it. * Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. In this case, her obsession to get revenge for her brother ended up getting her and the remnants of Kansas City killed.

[@Stanlos]

Everyone disses Kathleen, it seems. I thought her performance was very good. She is a different person from her brother. And she knows she is a bad person whereas her brother was a good person. I think a lot of people disconnected from her because of the subconscious association of power with a particular paradigm to which she is not aligned

[@jw1714]

She doesn’t come across as a believable survivor where as Marlene’s actors representation does for example

[@eduardoarmenta9232]

​@@jw1714 she most likely survived the outbreak thanks to her brother. The paradigm of being someone who depended on someone else to survive and then getting power thanks to that person's demise can lead to some interesting results. That's why I like her characterization, it wasn't the kind of revolutionary leader common in this situations because she was supposed to be the one who took over unexpectedly and then change the way of their actions towards one closer to those who abused them. That's why they casted someone who looked harmless, to make her scarier and creepier.

[@reggiebrown9508]

Both actors better keep getting work after this episode was shown bc they showed they can act there @$$e$ off.

[@nyang8639]

Is there going to be a aftershow spoiler podcast?

[@chicagogamer945ultimate7]

No

[@zshakur]

"Which way is West?"

[@BIGSAM-O-A]

Superb episode

[@barrym426]

Terry Notary was terrifying in "The Square" and he was playing a anormal human

[@joseahernandez95]

Although I very much enjoyed this episode. I really wish we got more of an emotional attachment to Sam and Henry. I was still moved at the end but not as much with Bill and Frank. The swarm of clickers scene was insane and loved every second of it. Also Kathleen is a Karen and glad she’s gone.

[@fikilemkhize5776]

THIS WAS BETTER THAT HOTD

[@todds9746]

I wonder why they didn't go back at the end and grab some weapons and one of the trucks? Yes...I know the infected are there, but it looked like the infected ran off towards the city. So they might be able to sneak back and get stuff. Also, curious where they got the butane lantern? Only thing they had was Ellie's backpack.

[@anngo4140]

Henry worked well, but Kath left me annoyed. If I was Perry I would have deposed her for the greater good.

[@kool-o4823]

“The Greater Good”🫡

[@johnsilver6316]

Except you’re not perry, and obviously kathleen was supposed to be annoying and a lose canon by her mental state, like the majority of people in a world like that. I love seeing these types of comments though, cuz it’s going to be fun seeing you people react to season 2, where things don’t go as well as people think. And where emotions, and hatred will become one. I say enjoy the ride and try to acknowledge that actions have consequences in the last of us world, and that no one in this world is a “good person”.

[@kool-o4823]

I never played the game nor know anything about the content and I knew one of them would get bit; I was already sad at that but then when Boom! name Bang! Happened, the water got to working

[@WilliamJames48]

Sam and Henry should have lived! To hell with the game plot lol.

[@ActorsReal2Reel]

Is there no Live Last or us Aftershow today?

[@thehutch1674]

While this wasn’t my favorite episode, it was still great, which shows how amazing this show is. Sam and Henry were great characters but I just wasn’t as invested in them as I was Joel and Ellie. Not really a fault of the show, both characters are great and I think both have very significant impacts on Joel and Ellie. I’m not a huge fan of Kathleen but I do like that the angle of having this every day woman being the leader of a revolution. Maybe she doesn’t have the presence we all want but idk I find it pretty interesting and different

[@josermaiz]

Episode 5 was so emotional and that bloaters look like he thicccc

[@Hadd-N-FieldKid]

I didn't come close to crying, like i almost did With Episode 3 Guess just cause I've scenes scenes like that so many time. And maybe cause i saw it coming? I dunno. It was sad sure, just didn't have the same effects on me. I thought the actors of same and Henry were great, and though i saw it coming, i wish they didn't kill em off yet. Way too soon for me. I adore that joke book moment. Yeah another amazing episode. That tops the previous one. I don't know how they are doing this. It had it all. A nice balance of Joel & Ellie, plus new characters. Action, emotion. Another 9.5 episode for me.

[@4Thessia]

Is the next episode going to be the one with the giraffes?

[@MTTT19]

I doubt it. Most likely the penultimate or final episode

[@Lil.Lon3Ly]

Once that giraffe scene happens you already know Joel already felt connected to Ellie, its where there's humanity, i hope they do it in the show just like the game

[@tonyar952]

The Raid was pretty much action after action scene and that was great

[@KnoWhereEntertainment]

See what’s crazy is Kathleen was only out there to kill Henry and Sam because of her brothers death. Not saying she’s right but it’s crazy how no matter what everybody died anyway so countless people dead from mistakes made by 2 people. It’s crazy to think was Kathleen wrong? Did Henry get his brother killed? I mean he’s shot Sam, and himself. Like when you really look at it this show is some dark stuff and really makes you think!

[@NathanLorenzana]

Exactly what I love about it, and I haven't played the game.

[@pennybleta9721]

@@NathanLorenzana I tell you this. This episode, Kathleen's character and speech at the end are a clear foreshadowing for things to come. So remember her speech and her character. There are too many parallels in this episode and the creators already confirmed it's the laying of ground for the ending of s1 and s2 arc.

[@justin1871]

That scene made my chest hurt 😢 I'm sorry 😞

[@MavenCree]

Oh come on.... before all this happened, you know Kathleen was a Karen before the term was coined...

[@NathanLorenzana]

That's how I saw her and had no problems with it. I believe the show is so good that what anyone would pass in other series like this character, just stands out more here. It could be a miscast situation, but she compensated it imo when she tells Henry that a boy is not that important in the big scheme of things. That was chilling.

[@shawnswag5145]

honestly you're right, i played the game and it didnt matter cause i was devasted

[@miguel90744]

Why don’t you make the videos 1440p

[@MavenCree]

PHILOSOPHICAL IN-UNIVERSE QUESTION: Since infected are still alive and remain living, do you think the child clicker will continue to grow physically into adulthood? 🤔

[@josiahgraham5634]

I love your question. TL; DR “No.” Reasoning: We hear that the fungal infection prevents entropy in the first episode, so while it’s true that they remain living, it’s my belief that the fungal infection gives its host just enough nutrients to survive but not to thrive. A child that’s infected likely doesn’t receive enough nutrients to develop and mature, and since they cannot die, they would likely just stay in a childlike form forever until killed. The fungal infection could mutate (like what happens to clickers and bloaters) but the child’s frame might not. My reasoning for this again is based on how much nutrients the infection is stealing from its host, it looks like most of it, so I highly doubt that hormonal changes would kick in causing the child clicker go to from the prepubescent to adolescent stage of life.

[@fabgg_]

The performance of kathleen’s actress was not it

[@franslam7398]

I absolutely did not under any circumstance empathise with Kathleen. At ALL. I don't know if she was a bad character or a miscast. I couldn't take her seriously and struggled to buy her in that role. I could not have cared any less about her sob story. I thought she was awful and was clapping when she got the beatsss from that child clicker thank GAWD!!

[@sabrionford4121]

I think that’s the point She was an overall emotional pick for her leading them she tore down federa because of her anger about her brother, if they had a chance to calm down they would of removed her form power

[@americdej1367]

In that scene where she's giving her monologue in her old room, they're trying to explain her and her followers motivations, because they both know her brother would forgive but she believes she'll get more justice from getting revenge. And the followers feel they owe it to her for what was accomplished against Fedra. This is what finally made her believable to me, because there are lots of people who believe blindly in revenge

[@legionmartin]

Kathleen was a `Target' store Karen.

[@greg9088]

I don’t think she was a good person before.

[@jw1714]

Playing through the first game along with the show, they don’t really try to get you to sympathize with the enemies of the game. Kathleen’s death held no weight and more time with the characters from the actual game would’ve been nice.,

[@happyguy2k]

Kathleen a foil to how Ellie will act next season. Hell bent on revenge she loses her humanity

[@alwaysbam]

More like Abby

[@rocinante4609]

If the ques this show is asking is whether humanity is worth saving?? I think the lesson we are learning from last of us is unequivocally no.

[@GriffinXP97]

Umh, well clearly you don't fully understand the story or know the actual game it is based on - the core and morality of all this is a question, not the answer. Because at the end of the day, it leans towards the fact that this doomed world in Last Of Us is beyond saving and Ellie's character is the key to saving all, but are they worth it? Sam and Henry's situation gives us that answer - no, because the older brother gives up someone for a medcine to cure his younger brother, he would do the same as all we would. Just let the story flow or don't watch the show I guess.

[@rocinante4609]

@@GriffinXP97 I hvnt watched the game snd neither do i want to. I am only judging the story based on what I hv seen so far. What I hv seen is ppl being shitty to each other with a few exceptions. I was also half joking but clearly u didnt get that.

[@GriffinXP97]

@@rocinante4609 It is okay if you don't get the story, same as it is okay if I don't get your mid level joke. We are who we are mate. Except it or live in a fantasy.

[@rocinante4609]

@@GriffinXP97 yeah u are so smart thats why ur taking out ur frustrations on an innocuous youtube comment. Live happily in ur own little echo chamber mate

[@GriffinXP97]

@@rocinante4609 It is not a matter of smart or not smart, it is just how it works. Sad to see your response thou. Good luck in life.

[@TheMediaMutants]

While I liked this better in the game (due to conversations that were missing in the show), this episode was still very good and tragic. It's my favorite in the series so far. Also, I enjoyed Kathleen (her reasoning could be any of us) as a villain mostly but she talked too much.

[@koulor315]

ok all i can say is that, the tv show does a much more better job than the game, i just gotta have to say it

[@MultiMisskitty1]

What gets me is that during this point in the game Joel still thinks of Ellie as baggage

[@AlphaLuna]

Not exactly, I think at this point while Joel has made the impossible to keep Ellie alive, he still can't quite open truly to her because he feels he can't keep anyone alive for too long, specially someone who reminds him of his daughter.

[@milliondollavoice]

I thought the actress that played Kathleen was Kris Carr for a second

[@sharkinthewatereagleinthes6865]

Lol

[@39travisp]

Episode 4 and 5 were absolutely better than episode 3

[@MrTreyshawn22]

@@thealjohnsonshow2188wrong

[@MrTreyshawn22]

@@thealjohnsonshow2188 you can have a wrong opinion happens all the time it’s ok

[@xxfutureisnowxx]

The show is amazing.... HOWEVER, this is not the Joel from the games. Joel in the game is ruthless. That old man sniper would have been shot between the eyes with zero hesitation or remorse. That version of Joel is what sells the end of the first game and truly sells the inciting incident of Part II. Right now, I'm not even sold on Joel doing "terrible things" during his 20 years post-outbreak.

[@hanyu_dada]

yeah, they just talk about how bad they are but in every scene he is a softy

[@gianlukeoni1776]

I think that this is one of the things that they changed a bit in the series, but still it will probably be an improvement. Joel and Tess DID a lot of horrible stuff to survive in the first 10-15 years of the apocalypse, but by the way they talk about it it seems like in the meantime they found ways of surviving that surely included some immoral shit but not something like luring innocent people by faking an injury and then killing them and looting their stuff. When Joel didn't respond to Ellie's question "did you kill innocent people?" Pedro Pascal's face was full of remorse imo, and a very short sequence of tommy talking to Joel in ep6 trailer has tommy talking about how they DID horrible stuff. Sooooo all things considered I think they made a Joel that already has started to question himself a bit, but still shushing down that part of him, and I see this an improvement in the story because (PART 2 SPOILERS) it sets up a better """""redemption-arc""""" for his character, adding to the cognitive dissonance he feels for loving Ellie as a daughter more and more but having to keep the secret of what happened to the firelights (i am bad at english man i dunno how to say it but having to keep an hurtful secret to a person you love during the first time in years in wich you are trying to be a better person creates a fucking dissonance in your brain that is literally physically hurtful trust me i know for experience) AND justifies his trusting of an unknown group of people that will ultimately bash his head. It also adds a bit to the realism of a broken but still kinda brutal man that open his hearts not only to a father-daughter relationship with Ellie, but also to the one he had once: opening to ellie forces him to confront with his emotions about Sarah's death, and work on ourselves like that takes a toll that a person that hasn't already started to question his behaviour can't possibly take

[@4evasmooth]

It's a different medium. The video game's gameplay elements require you to explore and do things to advance the story in which it mostly plays out through brute violence. Being this is a condensed adaptation of a much longer adventure, they are forced to make alterations with Joel but at the same time not make him seem so one note. Joel is not necessarily ruthless but will do whatever it takes to survive. In the game Joel could have easily shot Henry for abandoning him and Ellie but he understood Henry was just trying to protect Sam. The humanizing elements to Joel's character in the game are somewhat understated but they are there. The hints toward the deeds that are talked about but not shown are probably for the best because it would change the entire perception of how the audience views Joel as a person.

[@unojuanillo8305]

Unless youre a psychopath, you cant do that in reality

[@xxfutureisnowxx]

@@unojuanillo8305 key word there is "reality"....this whole story is make-believe

[@Im_Ish]

Future spoilers... I'm surprised how many similarities we got to the 2nd game.

[@gamingnotacrime]

Hi John and crew, can you put SPOILER in the heading, not that I get triggered, no, its more like ... if i had seen the episode and im keen to listen to the discussion i can prioritise :) BOTF

[@jessep6330]

If the hardcore gamers were receptive to emotions, they wouldn't spend so much time playing video games.

[@traviscue2099]

Did you listen to this episode on a 1940s record player?

[@aaronfannin8971]

If Hardcore gamers WEREN'T receptive to emotions, this show wouldn't exist because the games wouldn't have been nearly as popular.

[@mizuxsion]

episode 3 was actually the ONE for me.

[@Ericavengersforever]

Your kidding right?

[@iwatchmovies2much]

@@Ericavengersforever why would they be kidding?

[@Js-mm1jdjwc]

Gay😂

[@TheMastermind729]

It was better in the game.

[@CJTranceAddiction]

Yeah, the game will always be better. I guess this is pretty good for those who will never get into video games.