The Last Stand Campaign was Disappointing

[@JAiZYouTube]

8:19 - The plane flyover was actually tested in a few different locations, including by the first junkyard building, in the junkyard itself, and after passing under the bridge earlier, and _nobody_ noticed it in those locations. Gamers quite literally _never_ look up, so it just lead to a handful of people hearing the plane, but not seeing it, with everyone else missing it entirely (even across multiple playthroughs) It was actually on the verge of being completely scrapped, till it's current position was tested with more success.

[@sirlunchalot1697]

It’s funny that you say that the Last Stand is not that much of a challenge. When the Campaign released the Finale was almost impossible to beat on solo expert realism, since the horde would not stop when you had to collect the gascans. It was at least 3 times harder. They thankfully reduced the amount of zombies during the finale after some feedback, however this campaign is still not that good.

[@D_YellowMadness]

That explains it. I was wondering why he was calling it fair & saying it's easy when my most vivid memories of it were of a never-ending stream of zombies spawning in every seam & pore of the generator room while someone's trying to pour gas on Normal.

[@circumventboredom9463]

This, exactly. I had the same experience.

[@flariz4824]

@@D_YellowMadness I remember I managed to beat it with randoms on Expert Realism... 2 of the slots came and went too, only 1 other random (Who became friend after the fact) stood with me, after 2 hours of attemps we did it lmao

[@hihosh1]

Lol, the horde still doesn't stop. Sure it slows to a trickle, but what makes it frustrating is that you still have to worry about specials who feel like they spawn without a cooldown

[@Night.rider.4]

there was a common boost that completely stopped everything from spawning on the gas can event

[@oxideactual1018]

The original idea was to just port the Last Stand and the other remaining L4D1 survival maps, the team said they would’ve loved to make more chapters if they had more time and weren’t focused on other parts of the update.

[@freeziboi3249]

That makes sense, well I hugely appreciate all their hard work, they are truly wonderful

[@WulanDuri-un9cb]

Beating all the official campaigns on expert takes less time then then scrolling through the workshop with the amount of anime mods on it ( Edit: i didn't expect for this comment to get alot of likes thanks)

[@Y10HK29]

Most of it is just reskins of the cod mw weapons

[@Kagawwy]

@@Y10HK29 Not even the good MW ones from the Remaster, the new ones with the super bouncy animations

[@Y10HK29]

@@Kagawwy yep, and they all slap some anime faces on it and it's done. While I don't mind the anime weapons, these are just too low effort even for me

[@shamikosan]

⁠@@Y10HK29ye i agree about this

[@atk1152]

@@Kagawwy most of the animation feel like the character is on steroid

[@WulanDuri-un9cb]

we cant stand the last stand campaign but we can stand a stream of high frantic moments

[@maninthesnow4393]

I can remember this one. A single tank gets on top of the light house it’s over because he will punch you right into the ocean.

[@MyUsersDark]

On advanced, that is

[@zaxe6562]

Honestly I actually think this campaign has a really memorable rural locale to it. Is that wholly unique? No, but many of the actual locations stand out really well to me, especially the old cobblestone bridge, and the mill that runs along the creek, and that small village before the safehouse. It's something a bit unique about this map that I always liked, felt very old timey. Too bad most of what I like about this campaign is just that its so damn short. You really can't appreciate the maps identity, when it ends as abruptly as it does.

[@neonkapawn]

I think one of the devs had said that this update was going to be only about the new survival maps that were added and this campaign was a last moment addition and that's why it's so meh, it was never meant to be added.

[@JAiZYouTube]

The original idea for the update was to just have a small update that ported the missing L4D1 survival maps to L4D2. It wasn't even going to have any announcement beyond the usual forum post/blogpost. The deadline kept being pushed back though (Due to Valve prioritizing work on HL:A), so additional time meant more stuff could be worked on, added, and tested out to provide more content for more players.

[@jasperfox6821]

neat

[@kameranin_arkasindaki_adam]

Last stand has the crash course syndrome but lacks the hit moments like bridge bombing on the parish, the plane crash on dead air, the church tolls in death toll or even the cannon in crash course. Map lacks any panic events, crescendos and only has glorified survival. The chapter could use 2 more chapters. (Lord Gabe please bless us with anything)

[@blackfox7448]

2:03 to be fair considering that its at the same time frame as the deathtoll, might be best to be the opposite of being night to then sun coming out when the rescue boat comes out but i guess wouldn't been easy to make it happen flawlessly considering i didn't saw any maps do that not including map change (between saferooms) to change the skybox xD

[@The_Game_Maker]

*kisses you unconsentually*

[@completerandomness4342]

IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME

[@austinlisenbee8415]

NOT HIM, ITS NOT FAIR!

[@whasawthe42nd]

what

[@deadspace4755]

What games are you making?

[@The_Game_Maker]

I’m making cool games

[@SyahmiAsyraffYT]

I haven't played The Last Stand campaign since the update came out because I'm a sucker for custom campaigns, so I can't speak to how it plays for me. However, I do play custom campaigns that are supposed to "improve" the originals, such as Dead Center Rebirth (for Dead Center), Sunrise Carnival (for Dark Carnival), Hard Rain Downpour (for Hard Rain), The Parish Facelift (for The Parish), and, relevant to this discussion, The Last Daylight (for The Last Stand). The Last Daylight is a custom campaign based on The Last Stand, serving as a sequel of sorts. As the name suggests, it takes place during the daytime, featuring the L4D2 survivors after the events of the original have already occurred (e.g., the plane crash and the subsequent forest fire). The biggest difference between it and the original is the addition of new paths for players to navigate and some altered sequences. Here's a quick rundown of each chapter on Normal difficulty (SPOILER ALERT!): - CHAPTER 1 - At the start, players can either navigate through the river or cross the bridge, with the latter option rewarding them with a Hunting Rifle. Similar choices apply when heading to the junkyard. Once there, players activate the crane, but it shuts down, causing the load it was holding to drop and triggering both the Crescendo and Gas Scavenge events. From there, players must collect two gas cans to reactivate the crane, which clears the path to the saferoom more quickly than in the original campaign. The rest of the chapter plays out similarly to the original. - CHAPTER 2 - The first third of this chapter is almost identical to the original. The main difference comes when players reach the finale area. Before starting the finale, they go through a damaged storage room with a radio inside. Depending on which characters are chosen, interacting with the radio triggers a conversation with either Virgil or the helicopter pilot, which is cut short when the radio breaks down mid-sentence. This becomes important later. Afterward, players head to the lighthouse roof and activate the signal flare to start the finale sequence. It begins with a holdout Crescendo Event, followed by a Tank fight. Once the Tank is defeated, the Gas Scavenge sequence begins. Unlike the original campaign, players must now collect two gas cans to fill a barrel inside a storage room near the pier. Afterward, they destroy the barrel with a gunshot, triggering a fight against two Tanks. Once that's done, the rescue sequence begins. Depending on which radio dialogue was triggered earlier, players will either return to the lighthouse for the helicopter or head to the pier for the boat. I highly recommend you to check the custom campaign out for yourselves. Although it doesn't have as many memorable set pieces to the original, but the changes it makes is worth playing, at least for me.

[@JAiZYouTube]

The Last Daylight was made by one of the level designers for The Last Stand (Roku. He did most of the work on the official campaign tbh) and I _think_ , if I remember correctly, that The Last Daylight incorporates some ideas that were cut from The Last Stand due to time constraints.

[@nickd3631]

As underwhelming as it is, I would actually disagree with the fact that it’s the worst map on the list. I think that title belongs to Cold Stream since the last time I played that map, it was forgettable and a pain to go through. At least Last Stand has it’s moments and there’s some enjoyment to be found, whereas Cold Stream is the only map that felt like a chore to play

[@MyUsersDark]

I disagree, but that's my opinion

[@brandoncoleman673]

Cold Stream was always my favorite. Other than it's difficulty I don't see why it gets so much hate

[@MyUsersDark]

@@brandoncoleman673 It's not quite my favorite but I agree, I always liked it

[@hihosh1]

Agreed, Cold Stream has that set piece with the tank, but it doesn't make up for those gauntlet events which get on my nerves. On map 2 the easiest way to cheese the gauntlet is to drop between the stairs so you completely avoid it...oh and use a bile. I swear that staircase with specials continuously spawning is utter garbage

[@syrsafox32]

I prefer The Last Stand to Cold Stream, just because the former is shorter. I think it's the best length for what it is.

[@Aminos_prime]

The center- Dead The carnival- Dark The swamp- fevered The rain- Hard The parish- Perished The passing- passed The stream- cold This is the sad reality of L4D2 😭

[@michaelmcd64]

I think this map was a bit of an afterthought in the Last Stand Update. I believe it was said that the Last Stand Update was intended to be a survival only focused update and sorta fleshed out the last stand to be it's own campaign, albeit a short one, so there would be stuff for campaign players as well. I was really hyped for this update and I liked it, plus it was sort of a miracle that this game got an update at all. I wish Valve would give the community another chance at making an update for Left 4 Dead 2 again, however unlikely that may be.

[@spamhands6993]

In my opinion, The Last Stand also heavily needed another level for pacing reasons. For as short as it is, it was so unrelenting that I was exhausted from being beaten so much on Advanced, on the first level. I wish they cut up the first level, so you don't have to redo ALL of the first part of level one, just to retry the hold out, or worse you die on the way to level two. This is also why I personally don't agree with NormStorm's video on hardest campaigns, in TLS portion. I don't find a campaign that mentally exhausts me, from being constantly pushed back and widdled down to be fun. It just makes me want to quit, play a different campaign on the harder modes, or worse, quit playing L4D2 on that session. You can honestly convince me the director was either turned all the way up or turned off and just spams zombies on this map. It also doesn't help that being disappointing is the Last Stand update as a whole. I don't blame anyone in particular, but I heard development was a nightmare, with logistical fumbles like everything on a google doc instead of sheets, Jaiz being moved from PR guy to director, and a lot of in-fighting to the point of it kicking out a developer that overhauled survivor bots to have significantly better pathing. The bots would've followed you if you jumped down from the bridge in Dead Center finale to the scafolding, that sort of pathing. It also didn't help that the update broke so many mods, over a decade old, and were not supported by the original creator as they moved on or had IRL responsibilites.

[@thr333stars]

Wait they kicked out a guy that tried making survivor bots better?! That's such a BS and nonsense

[@JAiZYouTube]

There's a lot of incorrect rumors. For example, people like to tout that I was in charge, just because I'm one of the more forward-facing people in the community, when in reality I did a bit of everything. There was a lot of flexibility in general, so while everyone had their own specialties, it's not like anyone was bottlenecked into a specific role; I myself did a lot of testing, organizing, video editing, level design, and creative design, just to name a few things. The teamwork did take some time to build up, since a lot of people didn't know eachother at first, but overall the co-operation was pretty good, and there weren't any issues that you wouldn't also encounter in other studios, groups, or teams. It's never smooth sailing when working in a group, especially not a large one of 30+ people with different ideas, expectations, and mindsets, but overall it went well, with detailed notes being taken to improve things even more in the future.

[@ЭДЭ]

​​@@JAiZKZbin please add some new range weapons, like sawed off double barrel shotgun or revolver for secondary

[@Tigeren_95]

@@JAiZKZbin if you guys make another update again pls ask valve Fix the hitboxes and add hammer There are a lot of construction sites in the game

[@L4DCommunityTeam]

@@ЭДЭ We'd suggest looking at the "Last Stand Refresh" changelog pinned on the official L4D2 Steam Forums, as that was our last update. It was kept minimalist, since Valve extensively checks everything we do line by line, file by file. We don't have the sort of access or permission to do things like adding new weapons, and our access seems generally misunderstood or exaggerated. Our current focus is on the server DDoS issues, which Kerry has another pinned thread on, and we do report security issues for that.

[@williammiller79]

I disagree with removing the scavenger hunt from the finale, and the reason is simple: how many campaigns do the survivors escape without other people being their escape route across both left 4 dead games? Not many. The only ones are Crash Course and the Sacrifice for L4D1, and Dead Center, the Passing and the Last Stand for L4D2. That’s it. It makes sense for the lighthouse to stop working, because they just strolled up to it and turned it on. And besides, while it is padding for time (in a perfectly logical way, might I add), no official campaign hasn’t done a 2 part holdout that isn’t “kill every zombie that comes at us!” Followed immediately by “OUR RIDE IS HERE! HAUL ASS!!!”

[@moneygrab610]

I think scavenge finales add a lot to the game despite the consensus being staunchly against them. You get to explore the finale area instead of holing up in one spot. It makes sense that the characters would need to create a way to escape rather than just signaling for some passersby every time.

[@freeziboi3249]

​@@moneygrab610 This is the exact reason I have no problem with them, I love exploring and I felt this two part finale was a very cool addition. My only problem is it wasn't a 3 chapter or 4 campaign, but I'm fine with what we have and I'm grateful we even got an update like this at all. I was so fucking hyped when I saw this update come up, it was like I was a kid playing the l4d2 demo until the game released all over again 😁

[@Night.rider.4]

Bro wrote a whole essay.

[@StarShapedPie]

I've never gone past the shortly after the crane ending cuz I kept leaving for some reason

[@Dopamiin3]

I remember prior to this update i used to mess around with vocalizers in public lobies and spawn myself as ellis while there was another bot ellis essentially duplicating myself. Then they patched survivor limits

[@idunnoman9402]

The title of ‘last stand’ and it being the last official campaign (yeah I know it’s community made but I mean like non workshop) made me think it was going to be this ultra difficult challenge, but it was pretty balanced like the other campaigns. Kind of sucks that this is likely the last official map because a game like Left 4 Dead should have gone out with a bang. I’m glad to see there’s still a community for it.

[@kirbyx2137]

Fun fact if you go idle during the beginning cutscene in the last stand while playing as Francis or Louis you'll float for a little bit

[@voxfoxclips8684]

The thing that I agree with the most, for some reason, is when you say it should have been set at day. The l4d1 survivors always have their campaigns set at night or it’s blocked out my clouds/smoke. In fact, Blood Harvest’s ending set piece is the military APC riding over the hill and into a SUNSET, the first hint of sun we see in the l4d1 campaign. The ending could have been set at the break of dawn or with the sun out at the last stand.

[@wildwilly356]

the only notable thing that happend to me when i played this map with my freind was when i accidently crushed them with that shipping container and when ai bill ran into the fire

[@WooberJig]

1:07 is hilarious, the low quality voice chat is incredible.

[@circumventboredom9463]

Grabbing all those finale gas cans in solo with survivor bots is a tedious nightmare.

[@pir_hana]

The Last Stand is simply just The Last Bland for me

[@yuuyakizami2133]

The Scavenge Section is so unneeded that there is actually someone who made a script mod to skip the scavenge section in the finale.

[@atk1152]

the map don't have gimmick or memorable outside of the crashing plane it's just a map for PVP.

[@hihosh1]

Good to see you mentioned the bile, but there is another guaranteed bile on the right hand side of the junkyard in a booth. It makes the junkyard very easy even on expert

[@AcceL_2002]

Playing the finale on realism expert is quite challenging. Especially with the total of 4 tanks you have to deal throughout the finale and the scavenge bs that feels like it was added just to increase length.

[@GianniGuns]

I have to say the one thing I really did like about the last stand? Was the lighthouse set piece. Personally I feel like there hasn’t been a finale set that really used the scale and verticality to that degree. Just from a pure survival standpoint point players will scale the light house and hold out up there. It’s a good feeling, because it brings a sense of urgency to climb up during the waves of zombies that come at you. It’s not my favorite, I don’t think it’s the worse, that belongs to cold stream.

[@tombraiserzombie2581]

Ya know what would’ve been cool? Giving remixes to the first two stages of Death Toll that giving visual storytelling reasons for why the survivors veered off Riverside at the last moment. Maybe stuff like seeing the church being on fire from a distance, military massacre areas, and signs from other survivors claiming Riverside got overrun.

[@melissagio9340]

I remember when this campaing released during covid and me and my friends were really hyped. When we finally got to play, it was over in 22 minutes and all we could say was "is that it?" We still play L4D2 often, but i don't think we gone back to this campaing since, a 20 minute struggle and half of it is rolling gas cans around. Things were dire during covid, so it's validating to now see more people shared the disappointment even then.

[@JeroMetal2000]

Nice vid as always Nazz, well friend, the first time I played this map I loved the houses and the environment, I took a long look to the details, I know that they are just houses but they felt so.... Natural, so good, the fourniture, the old, tattered obscure empty rooms, with almost no Light or life, just zombies passing by.. The safehouse from chapter 2 is beautiful, it feels so real, so warm between a gloomy blue cold place! but otherwise, as you said.. there is not much more memorable things.. I thought you would get rewards for exploring the radio tower....i thought there was a quest going on there? i played this campaign blind, I finished in realism expert in one go recently.. and.. yeeee just for the achievement.. I really think Valve does not give a damn, they could put a third chapter where the boat stops on a dock full of little stores and a Big market? Where survivors went for supplies because the boat was running out of everything? damn there are thousands of possibilities , there are tons of beautiful long serious campaigns out there..damn it valve Well, see ya Nazz ❤️

[@YRZUYA]

The last stand is also from the original campaigns. It is the alternative route for the death toll campaign if the survivors chose the car on the right side. If the survivors chose the riverside one, then they will go further and ignore the alternative route

[@doncaway1178]

at least we got update rather than we have to wait for like 10 years after GTA 6 was released

[@Hemlock7275]

"I can't stand the last stand" -someone

[@panthekirb7561]

3:45 I hate how hard the achievements are in this game smh

[@FrancisL4D]

The whole point of "Last Stand" is they took the wrong path and they suffer for it. Originaly last stand was just a holdout with no rescue, It ends when you die Wich is why its called last stand.

[@Arawnivore]

my biggest issue is that last stand tends to crash at the worst time or the gas cans just fall thru the map

[@ChadMorningWood]

I'd rather play the last stand over crash course tbh

[@betobull1cio901]

8:40 i think there was a graffiti supposed to appear at the finale referencing Keith but was cut at the last minute

[@originalDjango]

i legit din't even knew this existed. got to play it next time i play l4d2

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

I feel like the last stand, is Designed to be on versus. Since most the last stand update, is Giving infected way more spawns, on all the maps. And nerfing or patching the shortcuts, or tricks, survivors use to get through maps quicker in versus. Because the reason why There is a random scavenge part, on The last stand chapter 2, is because Most left 4 dead 1 survival maps, sucks in versus, people will change maps instantly nearly 99% of the time, Because Of how melees made commons way easier to deal with in versus. And also The survival maps in Left 4 dead 1 maps are really open meaning infected have almost no spawns to attack the survivors, And the tank is in a massive disadvantage, Since in versus they have to rely on physic objects, which are not 100% accurate. The only good left 4 dead 1 survival maps in versus, is No mercy chapter 5, and crash course chapter 2, and that’s about it, Because no mercy has 1 shot death areas. And crash course requires you to move, a way longer distance to start the survival. And had to activate the generator, 2 times. So the last stand, Biggest praise I can give, is It forces the survivors, to move around in these survival areas, in versus. and not camp at 1 spot. Because last stand chapter 2, would suck in versus, if they did not have a scavenge part. And the last stand where infected have bush areas to spawn. I think is completely wasted. This would have been good for the other maps, that have corn fields, or bushes blocking the survivor vision. But in the last stand in versus from what I played they are nearly useless. Due to this trick or glitch, where ghost infected can jump and spawn, and keep their ghost speed, to get towards the survivors, Way quicker. If there were significant less roof areas the infected can take advantage on, maybe these areas can be useful in this campaign, but it’s a huge wasted idea. Also chapter 2 on top of the watch tower, they have a radio that will instantly call a common horde, where I’m convinced they added that, to give people a reason to vote kick players. The other wasted idea, is you can use a melee weapon to break, way larger doors or gates down, In last stand chapter 1 they have a secret area to destroy a massive wooden door. Also the last stand for me, is the most balanced in versus for me, Since it combats and punishes rushers, or B hoppers, Because it’s the longest to speedrun for a reason. For me last stand is, barely around a 8/10 me for me, since It’s mostly designed for versus, or trying to get versus people, to Not vote skip 1 campaign, when doing survival type maps, Since in versus, it last around a hour, And not ridiculously short. Nothing amazing, but It did improve versus a ton for me, in the last stand update.

[@23lief86]

To be faie, The Last Stand campaing was previously a survival map in L4D, so that also adds more of why it's a holdout survival than your usual campaign

[@monsef987]

the only good thing about this update is they made achievement GOOD GUY NICK available again lol

[@lunarro7]

You are very cool. One of the best parts of this community. I really wanted this vid. I am still actually yet to play this campaign at all. Mostly because of this gas can finale playing solo. they are so spread out and I never think I will get the achievement for completing it in under 13 mins. This is much more of a survive with your friends map which is okay but when you are alone you are very alone on this map, it feels like you are missing someone more than any other.

[@5persondude]

The silver lining here is that it makes you appreciate the official campaigns and realize how well-designed they were

[@simplysmiley4670]

To be honest from playing through all the campaigns with the homies, Last Stand took us the longest alongside Crash Course and Hard Rain.

[@alphanumeric6582]

I differ with it being short. On Expert/Realism, everyone is so bad time just slows down for you. In the finale, you also get to fight so many tanks plus gascans which makes it feel you had a lot to go through, and then the travel from lighthouse to boat is very far

[@flariz4824]

It originally lived up to it’s name by the finale being basically the single hardest section in the entire game before getting nerfed sadly.

[@whatthealex9695]

eh, In my perspective. The last stand maps is more like a small side order and the main course is the update of fixes and improvements (I couldn’t bare to keep looking at the old l4d1 survivor viewmodel arms)

[@lm9029]

I really do think TLS have "a moment" to remember. Fighting two tanks with a unique theme before the flare lights up the entire map is something burned into my brain. Though i agree that up to that point the campaign feels pretty bland and repetitive like a reskinned Blood Harvest. Still way more enjoyable than Cold Stream.

[@D_YellowMadness]

To me, the short length is the only good thing about this campaign. It means I don't have to spend much time playing the second worst official campaign. But at least, it's not Cold Stream, the one where Valve said "Hey, what if we added a campaign made by one of the most shamelessly bad modders in the whole community? A slow door that spawns zombies from the other side while you're slowly opening it & they hit you before they're even out? Yes, please! Massive lens flare that players are forced look directly into? Gotta have that!"

[@3ofSpades]

The Last Stand campaign is basically trying to offer a starving animal a bag of chips when the rest of the campaigns are a full course gourmet meal. The smarter choice is to just play the other campaigns. I’d be more forgiving if Valve did more community updates on Left 4 Dead and this was more like an appetizer. But it’s been 4 years. More updates aren’t happening. And what with valve’s community generally being the way they are, that doesn’t surprise me.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

To be fair, the last stand was an incomplete campaign level. That was cut, but it still for what was restored, clearly shows the different directions the game could have taken.

[@mtxumi]

as a survival player, I like playing last stand and the survival maps that come w it

[@CubesBR67]

If this campaign ran well on my PC, maybe I would like it more

[@Zaden_KT]

Imagine how cool and fitting would've been that it would take place in an alternative timeline where Bill joins with the rest of the survivors towards Florida Keys (The end of The Sacrifice Comic); Instead of getting gasoline to signal a boat, the map would be focusing on the survivors cleaning up and setting up the place to be livable.

[@MyUsersDark]

Well then Bill would need to survive the Sacrifice

[@howaboutno3575]

Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the universe that likes The Last Stand... But what is odd to me is that it lacks the horror vibe all other campaigns with the L4D1 crew have. But I feel like it added a lot of quality of life improvements to the overall game. Used to hate how the L4D1 crew had no voice lines for so many items or weapons, that was patched!

[@kirkmineblox3065]

I went insane trying to beat this on normal mode with my goofy laptop on 24 frames persecond that changes to 13-16 frames persecond.

[@RichardDong68]

In all fairness, you can't really compare the lighthouse section to survival, since it's more of a holdout section, which every campaign has as a tradition. It felt more like a combination of a traditional campaign holdout and the holdout of the Dead Center finale.

[@die66666]

the only point i actually agree with is the plane part, but i will never understand wanting to remove the last stand compared to the always static cold stream, which the events are just straight up unfun to play.

[@helloimskip]

A NasCoz video before school is good.

[@yukoyukooko]

id use the pitchfork if it had a much longer front hitbox, it actually would be sick and usefull to have a melee that has an insane foward reach but with the cavior of having it only attack in a line infront of you

[@candidate12]

I just like it being short since do to school work taking over half my day up I have a sliver of that to play l4d2 for a tiny while

[@superintendentvergil9928]

I agree with most of what you said... But I still love The Last Stand

[@mernyr]

Been a cool feature if on the last chapter of Death Toll, if you could go to the gate where the truck is at and interact with it and start The Last Stand campaign as an extension to Death Toll acting as an alternate end to the campaign.

[@maroosagaming]

im glad theres a mod that removes the CS garbage guns from the game

[@Ripperonis]

Peak uploader returned.

[@ArchdrakeVEVO]

The reason why The Last Stand feels like a survival map is because it IS a survival map, but only for the xbox. When it first came out, I was hyped. But the more I play it, it feels like it suffered the same fate as Crash Course. The addition to the update is cool, but too bad post-TLS feels like dogwater. Pitchfork just sucks.

[@nascoz3884]

I know it was originally a survival map.

[@ArchdrakeVEVO]

@@nascoz3884 fleshing out to a 2-part campaign just sucks.

[@White927]

It is available on PC too.

[@slamjam7676]

Still pisses me off that this fuckin update broke like all of the old menu mods And honestly the counter strike weapons are kinda out of place and balanced poorly We've had ways to add them into campaigns for ages and they've always kinda sucked and i hate them being forced into the base game

[@White927]

This is the reason why I hate it, while there are good changes but a lot of them were unneccessary.

[@kratine8610]

ppl see this map as easy, but for a bunch of clown with eyes issue like us, this take us 12 hrs, each section is 6hrs long for 2 days to beat this thing on Expert definitely a official campaign we will never touch again

[@tubblescousine257]

Ngl when The Last stand dlc was anounced i was hyped for it because, i thought since it originally is a part of death toll it would like a alternative ending to it while playing trhought half of death toll again before splitting off again to a new part of the map instead of the orignal ending to death toll , but i guesss its better then nothing if what we got or at least something cool that was attempted to tie in the last stand into the story more as a what if lol Nice video as well 👌

[@Night.rider.4]

Amazing video, it’s hilarious knowing half of a video on the last stand is its super boring finale, well done guys… to think with how many people worked on the update we would get something great, but we got this sorry excuse for a workshop map.

[@3agle280]

8:22 They should've had the plane hit the tip of crane, causing the shipping container to fall on its own. I don't understand the reasoning for them making the crane require two presses.

[@biggreen1456]

I like the aesthetic this map has around the crashsite and the beginning of the 2nd act, wish there was a full act with more of that inbetween the first chapter and the finale

[@andeve3]

The Last Stand has better pacing and polish than Cold Stream while being more memorable and ambitious than Crash Course. It's good, actually.

[@chrishowland321]

Also on expert realism, the amount of infected just outside the starting area will drain all your ammo before you even get past the river.

[@traplegend5065]

Its definetly not one of the better ones, but I still think its fine to be apart of the main levels. Its just comparing it to the really good main levels its eh, but still fun. I still think having a short, really hard map is good

[@minor_change5116]

I think it would’ve been better paced if it the finale was set up with the initial hold out then the gas cans Then it ends, having to fight another holdout then 2 tanks at once was too boring I ain’t no map maker but what if the boat arrived and the boat was out of gas and the survivors had to fill it up for it to end and to make it difficult Infinite commons and a tank at all times The huge area would make this fair (probably more if you remove the cars)

[@Nonchalantwxvz]

I think last stand should focus on unique ways of survival and not making the area longer. Tbh so many areas that are so potential to be a survival. I mean we can see the 4 original campaign from the first l4d. The areas every chapter are small distant but so many memorable panic events. The bridge at the beginning could be good as panic attack segment. The crashsite could be good area for dual tank showdown with less horde spawn. Or a nearsite cathedral, mansion, or a zoo that could be a good gas can segment or other panic events which could be an extended chapter. Gas cans are so unnecessary at the finale, we have to deal 3 to 4 tanks and now gas cans with infinite horde is too much to do especially the lighthouse is wide with alot of horde spawns and special infected. Making the finale impossible to beat. Overall last stand feels bland and repetative segment same as death toll. Hopefully they can justify adding extended chapters since this campaign was made only 6 months before the release

[@shrek5ondvd368]

I like these consistent uploads

[@Addonzs]

My least favorite maps are the last stand and cold stream, they just kinda bland in my opinion

[@AHSL-000H]

I believe if there was some sort of reward factor to the idea of a survival finale then at least it would be partly justified.; A more deliberate and involved portion of the campaign with more chapters that ultimately led to a satisfying "last stand". But in this case it seems rushed and pooped out by the Valve monolith.

[@kadavru3882]

Cant wait for this chanel to become a tf2 hat rewiev

[@akagurob1ack160]

I was only 11 when cold stream released wow how long ago it came out

[@KeatonPlaysRoblox]

Oh MY GOODNESS AAAA HE UPLOADED not really that exciting but IDC CUS IM HAPPY!

[@thisisnothappening]

Playing The Last Stand for the first time on realistic expert, what's next? A horde out of nowhere.

[@Small_Gam3r1]

The last stand sucks fr

[@lordmarte8641]

It's like the update had more a focus on survival as a whole more than anythin else. Sure they added quality of life fixes, bug fixing etc, but most of the update was about survival and only survival. The achievements for em are crazy, grindy and tiring as hell for the amount of time you need to spend on em (yes i got all of em) On the map side, i wouldn't mind if the map was short, but why makin another holdout event? we did one literally the map early, there's no need for two of them on the same campaign, plus for some demonic reasons it's probably the most annoying scavenger finale i've ever played with zombies spawning very close to the gas tanks in little groups, making it very annoying to bring all the cans to the end of the hill. But ehi atleast ye can do the funni lil death screams while droppin down the cliff lel

[@partypooperbrdosbackrooms1922]

1:36 what mod for the skybox are you using?

[@nascoz3884]

Informal Skyboxes

[@partypooperbrdosbackrooms1922]

​@@nascoz3884oh ok thanks

[@Guvato]

A campaign so short that you could start it alongside this video and both would pretty much end at the same time, lol

[@GuiltySpark-rh8ny]

I love this channel ❤

[@jasperfox6821]

I thought it was a pretty alright campaign, but too short, it's got nice lighting at points, and besides, it was a free update, can't argure with that. Edit: Oh I loved the plane plying over at the start of the first level, only to find it crashed later on in said level, but I guess that fact kinda just flew right over me 😉

[@Hetzer-Hetzering]

What? Where is Day Break??? 😔

[@nascoz3884]

Next.

[@Hetzer-Hetzering]

@@nascoz3884 Yippe❗

[@CaptPatrick01]

One of my favorites. Best use of the _ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WATER!_ voiceline ever. Playing it with mods though required me to set the heapsize from the default 256mb to the maximum 512mb, as well as delete a couple highpoly car models to keep the audio from melting, because sourcespaghettijank™ You'll see the occasional source ERROR on the road, but it's better than having to fight through the mother of all stutters while simultaneously deaf.

[@dildofaggins6961]

That map has horrible optimization and crashes that it never plays well for me every time I play it. The last times I tried to play it the framerate tanks and the audio gets bugged out. It is a very nice looking map but it's held back by said bad optimization.

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

I think the community would be much more forgiving to this update if it came a year after l4d2 was released as at this point most players got used to how l4d2 works.

[@imFxnrir]

5 videos in a span about a MONTH?!

[@MemesandBigFunnys]

it has the cool ak tho

[@LuciferPancakeLover]

The campaign is mid, but the update is good.