The Legendary Weatherby Mark V and the Weatherby/Howa Vanguard

Briefing on two well known and great rifles with a view to how they are quite different and yet share some similarities.
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[@DOC-Jake-]

I have a mark v. In 270 win I got 21 years ago from my wife as a wedding gift !! Also a vanguard as a b day gift 300 win mag . Both shoot great ,my 270 does have tighter groups .. 💕 my wife is not up for sale ,😂 she has always got me #1 hunting equip ! my hunting dog is staying too. I am a lucky man ! Weatherby makes a great rifle !

[@oreopuppydawg1564]

Does she have any sisters?😀

[@michaelk196]

On both guns, the bolts and actions are 1-piece forgings and one the main reasons I bought a Vanguard last year. One of the few gun makes on the market with this rare feature. Look it up, and you'll see. Great video, keep up the informative work.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Michael. I wasn't sure. Now I know these are an even more unbelievable value than I thought. BTW...the Mini in Grendal is an accuracy revelation. Incredible. Thanks for writing.

[@billybobsnorton9196]

Hello and thanks for sharing your amazing gun collection with us. I own both a MKV and a Vanguard. I found the history of all the cartridges and rifles produced by Weatherby. The Vanguard started out with Roy acquiring the rights to the Sako MDL 60, I think. Originally, Roy had an American contractor, for the production of the Vanguard. He found that this contractor couldn't cut it. Somehow, he found his way to Howa. WBY and Howa had made changes to the Sako design, anticipating the expiration of their rights to produce this design. The Sako design had a third locking lug in the rear of the bolt. This was removed. There were enough changes made to the design to endure Sako's litigation. The Sako design was, after the MKV action, considered to be the state of the art in push feed designs. Sako was losing money on this design. They then came up with designs that were much cheaper to produce and were much lighter. The original design was not drilled out bar stock, with a washered recoil lug. The receiver on the Sako/Vanguard design was machined from a solid forged billet. This included machining an integral recoil lug. The newer designs, such as Tikka, MDL 700, post '64 MDL 70s, were all receivers drilled from bar stock. Their recoil lugs were washers. The bolt on the Vanguard is machined from a forged billet, handle and all. Not so with the bolts on most others which are not solid but can be braised, pinned or fused. Not solid. I own Weatherby's and consider them considerably more solid than their competitors. They have to be to stand up to the pressure of the powder capacity of Weatherby cartridges. I also own a Cooper MDL 22, 6.5x284Norma. I would love to see more content featuring Cooper rifles.

[@LeftThumbBreak]

Congrat's to Weatherby on moving to Wyoming. The Mark V lugs are almost like an interrupted thread, like on a Barrett 99. I appreciate the uniqueness and I think it's great they stuck to this action instead of falling back on convention. For sure they seem to be one of the strongest and safest out there. As always thanks for the video. Your channel is also unique.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

The Mark V is undoubtedly strong and the rifles have that panache to them - the Cadillac of US rifles.

[@MrThomass281]

I have owned 2 Vanguard rifles and loved them. Sold the 308 to a friend for his 1st hunting rifle. Still have a 270 and it is very accurate for my needs. Also really like the vented bolt.

[@killiansred100]

I bought my dream rifle from more youthful days the Mark V. Purchased at a gun show over 30 years ago, of course it had to be made in Germany. Got the .300 weatherby magnum. Enjoyed shooting it and will be in my safe till I die. Great looking and shooting.

[@josephgomes8543]

When I bought my Vanguard in 2007 it was a tad under $400 (US) and shot well out of the box. I installed aluminum pillars and have probably put over a thousands rounds through it and have no complaints other than it gets heavier as I get older. Haha.

[@swkohnle08]

I had a family friend who had several Weatherby Rifles in the 7mm Weatherby Magnum who was an avid Grizzly Bear hunter. This was back in the 1970’s and he has since pasted on but I remember these to be beautifully made rifles and he spared no expense to buy them and hunt in BC and Alaska.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Stephen, Sounds like your friend had a good life - hunting anyway. A Weatherby is never a mistake. People like to argue about what caliber goes with what game. I always say - shoot straight and true and the result will be there.

[@jonybgoode1]

as usual,very good breakdown between them...the one BIG point,i wish you had addressed was the mark v has a much shorter bolt throw...54 degrees,vs the typical 90 degree on the vanguard..the reason being,with the mark v ,those nine small lugs,arranged the way they are,enable the bolt to go thru a much smaller arch,which gives you a much faster follow up shot,plus,...with such a short bolt throw,the bolt handle itself,makes scope clearance a non-issue...

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Very important point - sorry I got lost talking. I should get a Mark V and do another video - I have not covered them very well. Thanks for the correction.

[@duggydo]

+USOG thanks for doing the comparison. I appreciate it. I recently discovered that an acquaintance has a Mark V in 30-378 that he has taken several elk and deer with Nevada, Utah and Montana. He swears by Weatherby and has the trophies to back it up. Hopefully their company is around for many years to come since they relocated to Wyoming. Thanks again!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for the suggestion! Great rifles. The review makes me want one of their Safari models. I'll keep an eye out. They should be around for decades to come; an icon of the great US of A. Good shooting!

[@duggydo]

USOG by the way, duggydo is a nickname I had as a kid that comes from Scoobydo the cartoon. I now realize it kind of sounds like something else that dogs “do” ha ha ha! If you get that safari model, please review it for us. Thanks

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I like the nickname - I'm probably too cautious.

[@thomaslloyd8306]

These videos that you produce are EXCELLENT!!! Very informative. I learn something new everytime I watch. Thanks for taking the time to produce and share these. Best wishes! Tommy Lloyd :)

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Thomas! I'm so glad my work is helpful and tolerable to watch. : )

[@christopherhennigan9834]

Excellent video and comparison between the two rifles. I was on the fence about purchasing the Vanguard, but your informative video gave me the confidence to pull the trigger and get one. Thank you.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Christopher - glad the video helped a bit. You'll like the Vanguard - there really are few, if any, better rifles out there. The prices can be higher and that's about it. I took my .240 Vanguard to the range recently - as usual - out of this world accuracy.

[@markhansen8078]

I have two of the Vanguards. One in 308 and another in 270. They are both outstanding rifles. The 308 has the walnut sporter stock with rosewood end cap. It is a beautiful rifle. I tend to use the 270 since it is a synthetic stock and is a working man's rifle. The accuracy is simply phenomenal.

[@VitoBb1978]

I bought my Vanguard Series 1 back in the early 2000’s in 7MM Rem Mag. That was the best investment that I made. No matter if I feed it factory ammunition or my hand loads, it eats em all, it has produced groups smaller than a dime.

[@slipshankd1307]

I have a 270 win. Weatherby Vanguard and I love it. Shoots very smooth and almost no kick. I had a Remington 270 that would knock your shoulder off.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's a very fine combo - the .270 in Vanguard. Hard to beat.

[@rcruz003]

Just bought 2 Vanguards, one in 257 Weatherby mag and other in 300 weatherby mag. Both shoot excellent Great video , very informative Thanks

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're ready for just about anything - at almost any reasonable range

[@wcho300]

What a great comparison review. I've always loved Weatherbys and have several mark V and vanguards. But Since Weatherbys updated their vanguard lines to the series 2 model couple years back, it has seen more hunting days than my mark v's. It's an exceptional value and I agree it's the best value out there. You get alot of gun for the money and superb accuracy out of the box. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for the support and for watching. I have another Vanguard in .243 that thinks it is a target rifle; yet it is a hunting weight sporter. Amazing accuracy.

[@rodneyhickman825]

I think the howa 1500 is the vanguard with a better trigger

[@BoogiemanMoto]

Great video. One important fact on the differences between the two IMO, the Mark V action allows for a ridiculously short 54 degree bolt throw. Whereas the Vanguard is a traditional 90 degree throw. I personally value that short throw very high because it allows for faster cycling in general as well as faster follow up shots and completely mitigates any issues that might arise with with scope clearance.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Very good points Asah. The short throw is a real benefit - thanks for highlighting.

[@joakimbengtsson8094]

Does any of you gentlemen know if there is more force needed to cock the rifle when the bolt throw is 54 vs 90 degrees?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

More force is needed for the shallower lift assuming cam surfaces are the same.

[@Nick-wn1xw]

Yes there is and there is almost ZERO camming power to it as well.

[@llamawizard]

This is literally one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin. Excellent material.

[@dpwhitaker7088]

Excellent video. I bought a Vanguard in 2506 after I saw your comparison. Accuracy is good and the 2 stage trigger is fantastic!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Bravo - Great rifle and excellent cal. choice!

[@trackskid]

Thanks for that! My wife shoots a howa 1500 and I just got a Weatherby- we shoot the centerfire silhouette in 6.5 Creedmoor. Really cool to see how close the budget and premium are.

[@chasrmartel4777]

I have two Vanguards. One is a deluxe wood stocked model in 270 WSM and the other synthetic in 257 Weatherby. They both shoot exceptionally well. I would agree they are among the best value for money options today.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You have 2 of the best. I've seen some spectacular shots made with the 257 at remarkable distances.

[@Southernguitar74]

I will be acquiring a new Vanguard Deluxe Sporter in .270 this weekend. It is the gloss wood and polished blue steel model that was made exclusively for Wal-Mart a while back. It is an exceptionally beautiful rifle, and an amazing value for the overall quality. A friend purchased the rifle for $349 when Wal-Mart had them on clearance and is now going to sell it to me for the same price, which I will gladly pay! These particular models were around $700 originally, and the prices were cut in half for the clearance. Amazing...I thought they were priced well at $700...LOL...I feel like I am getting a lifetime type of rifle for peanuts, and most assuredly I am...I can't wait to scope it and shoot it! Excellent comparison here, sir. Thanks so much

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Amazing deal - amazing rifle! Vanguard Deluxe is superb - great call!

[@Southernguitar74]

It will be my first Weatherby...Or Howa. Either way, I like quality, and Howa makes very high quality products. I've owned quite a few Japanese made rifles and quality has never been skimped on in any way. Take Browning, for instance. I understand the Belgium made guns are more collectible, and more desirable by some, and I understand why, but I have never found one single slip in terms of quality from the later Japanese makes. They are excellent.

[@carlweiderick]

Thanks, very informative. I had wondered about the differences. I concur, the Vanguard is an exceptional value, a great rifle and a 'real' Weatherby.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

So glad you like the video and the rifles!

[@vinnyc5300]

Nice job - as a huge Weatherby fan, in NY no less, I appreciated your comparison. Owning both a Mark V Deluxe in .300 WBG Mag and a .243 WIN Wby Vanguard, one other difference between them will be barrel length. 26 inches for the Mark V. But overall, if you can even find a gently used one, I highly recommend Weatherby. Especially the deluxe claro walnut from a traditional point of view. Roy Weatherby got it right with fast flat shooting cartridges. My Mark V was built in the USA Atascadero CA when they brought everything back to the USA with the exception of the Vanguard.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You have a very, very fine rifle - and in .300 it is just about a universal rifle - and if you hand load - nothing it can't do in that cal. The .243 Vanguard - I have one - so pleasant to shoot and use; and accurate - it is a gem.

[@Journeyman-Fixit]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video, I learned quite a bit from it.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're very welcome.

[@linds6609]

Subbed after this video. I like that you are not snobbish about brand and review on the basis of workmanship regardless of the name behind it or where its made. On this basis I'm reluctant to pay more for a rifle just because the brand has more recognition. The country that I'm in you would pay double for a Tikka T3 vs a Howa 1500 both with plastic stocks yet the price is only higher because of the Tikka brand.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you - I think the Howa is not second to the Tikka - I prefer the Howa.

[@linds6609]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I think a lot if the complaints I've heard around the Howa is about the flexibility in the front of the Hogue overmoald stock. It costs about $550 for a Howa 308 varmint 20' Barrel. A Tikka T3X varmint in 308 costs round about $1200 in my country but theres a stigma around Howa rifles for some reason as if its inferior. On that, what do you think about the 20' Barrel in 308 and is fluted or not fluted a factor to consider in such a short barrel.

[@youcanthandlethetruth6976]

USOG is one of the greatest channels on KZbin. Can't believe how much I learn through his videos. So thankful that his videos are on KZbin. Definitely gave the thumbs up, everyone don't forget to thumbs up his videos.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Robert - your words encourage me so much!

[@youcanthandlethetruth6976]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Right before you put this video up about the Mark V and Vanguard, I was already thinking about what the differences are and is it worth it to purchase the vanguard, and then suddenly I saw your video pop up, it was the perfect video at the perfect time. I love the .30-06 so the 300 WBYMAG was the natural choice to go faster in the .308. Thanks for all your videos bud, really appreciate them.

[@papatriots3529]

I bought my weatherby/howa in 3006 with a muzzle brake AWSOME shooter nice recoil with 180gr 1in groups at 100yds best 250 bucks i ever spent . Thought i was buying a beater rifle but i treat it like my best!

[@lawrencenabozniak3498]

Thank you! Excellent commentary. I own a Weatherby Vanguard and if I have one very minor complaint it's the fact that for my hand, the fore end is rather slim. I personally like a beefier forestock.

[@ryanehlis426]

Howa is a good rifle for the price. My first rifle is a Mosberg 1500 I got 26 years ago. My understanding is that was the name Howa was sold under than. With hand loads I get sub moa groups, it is .243 and I have killed many deer with that rifle. Only thing I did was float the bbl and adjust the trigger to 3 pounds. Also any long action rifle in 30-06, 270 ect you can re bbl for .240 wby mag. If a person wants that caliber. .240 wby mag is an amazing long range medium size game rifle caliber.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Neat that you know the .240 - I find it one of the best of all for deer. Can be about a .243 if one reloads and wants that.

[@freddywarren69]

One of your most informative posts yet. Thanks. Now I understand why a MkV is expensive. Maybe do a comparison between the original Sako Finn Bear and the Howa 1500 as the Finn Bear was the original model it was based on.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Freddy - no wonder the Howa is so excellent - just a superb rifle.

[@michaelhull63]

Great job comparing the two I went with the Vanguard the differences isn't worth the extra money in my opinion if I'm not mistaken I think my model 700 Remington has the two lug design also its work very well so I'm not worried by a two lug bolt

[@dave-oh3549]

What a great review. So much knowledge and expertise. Thanks for sharing. Subscribed!

[@MyMurphycom]

Thank you for making this video! I’m planning to purchase one of these rifles and was wondering the difference. The weatherby website does not do a good comparison and this is perfect.

[@markhansen3111]

I own 2 Vanguard rifles and like both of them. One is in 270 and the other in 308, I totally agree with you concerning the vanguard line. They are probably the best bang for the buck in a center fire rifle.

[@jaredbrockwayable]

I paid $380 for my Vanguard chambered in .308 in February 2020. Great shooting rifle, wouldn't trade it for anything!!

[@sooner5484]

Thank you, trying to decide between the Vanguard/Howa and The Rugar , CZ 1500 and Mossberg 1500. Now that I'm left with a few thousand rounds of 762x39 after the semi auto gun grab here in New Zealand. Found your detailed discussions on rifles and shot guns really helpful. The Saiga had to go too :( Appreciate you Vid's. Cheers.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi - of those - the Howa mini is the charm.

[@expertadvice4u]

Very informative. One of your best.

[@39MercFlathead]

I have 2 Howa 1500s both in .270 Win. I bought the 1st in 1989. It was marketed as a Mossberg 1500 in 1987 and was still on the dealer's shelf. The trigger was horrible and I replaced it with a Timney, which is fantastic. My oldest son shot his first elk with it at a measured 475 yards! I've since cut the stock down and put on a recoil pad for the grandkids. The second I bought as the least expensive Weatherby Vanguard in 2016 and replaced the stock with an aluminum bedded Bell and Carlson with a 14.25 inch length of pull to fit me better. The trigger on the new one is very good, not Timney good, but so good I haven't replaced it. I put a Leupold VariX III that I had in the safe on it. The total cost for a rifle that finally fits me and is a dream to shoot was well under $800. I still have the original Weatherby composite stock. This was a piece of cake and I am a poor craftsman.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Brilliant rifle buying!

[@michaelk196]

I believe both bolts are single piece forgings, which is a rare thing nowadays. Sako's 85 is the only other brand I know of that is still using forged bolts.

[@user-oh2xs9wj9f]

I totally agree, I hunt with a 1500 7.62x39 in New Zealand and the zip from the bolt is annoying but my 700 308 was the same but eventually smoothed out

[@gregwalker4236]

i think you are spot on with the vanguard being a great value ( as is the howa). it has been made for a long long time and having several can't find fault. i have a couple of mark v's in .257 wby and .300 wby bought new or like new for about what a new vanguard costs now--nice but not colt sauer quality (expanding rear lug bolt).....

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree Greg - I actually don't know how they make the Vanguard for the price they do - an unbelievable value.

[@edwardwells5864]

For years Howa made Weatherby Rifles and SKB made their shotguns and the Japanese are perfectionist for the most part and make a high quality product when it comes to fit and finish. I wished I would have bought more of them when I was in Japan and brought them back in my house hold goods when I PCSed! All their guns back then came with a proof target to back up the accuracy claims.

[@edwardwells5864]

My Miroku is a perfect knock off of the Browning Citori only with better fit and finish. The same with my SKB O/U that is a near Anthena Grade V...just a lot less price wise. Howa and both the other companies were licensed by Weatherby/Browning to make their guns!

[@Stigstigster]

Great information and honest opinions, as always. There's that eye for quality again.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Glad to hear that I'm on track and thanks for your kindness.

[@e.nichols5380]

Just ordered a vanguard sporter in .243, can’t wait to pick it up.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You'll like that rifle! Congrats on the purchase!

[@rutherfordshackleford9677]

I love the idea of comparing rifles to their big brothers so to speak. I know you have touched on the ruger American rifle as compared to the 77 but I'd love to see you compare it and it's younger brother the ruger American ranch rifle, preferably the one in 7.62x39 which I think is a pretty slick bit of kit since it takes mini 30 box magazines. Thanks as always for the fantastic content!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Rutherford - good idea!

[@dominicohea5624]

Thanks for your verdict. I think. Your. Right.

[@dougharlow6037]

Thanks for a great informative review.

[@30-06]

Great video! I have Weatherby vanguard s2 made by Howa @ .270 stainless barrel and it shoots like a dream! Now I’m thinking of buying Howa1500: barrel and machine and slap it onto a handmade stock

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great plan YK - for awhile I just couldn't wait to make another stock and then I ran out of time : (

[@davidking6663]

When Walmart decided to stop selling Vanguard rifles I bought everyone in 4 stores for under $200/each and sold all but 4. Each one that I kept I put a weaver 40/44 scopes and all shoot sub moa with the cheapest ammo of each caliber and 3 of the 4 rifles shoot less than .7moa. I’ve since bought a vanguard in 243 that will also shoot less than .7moa and is a great rifle. I’d love a Mark V one day for sure.

[@CanadaTrapper1]

Thanks for the great comparison!

[@normanmallory2055]

I hunt with two fellows who have rifles made by Howa both shoot very well with tight groups. The newest ctg around 5 years ago to show up at the range was the .338 LaPua oh my that shoots flat and I watched two fellows shoot excellent groups @400 yards.. Now I'm not taking away from LaPua or Norma quality in their brass and bullets but it's 4-5 times more money then domestic made brass. Yes I do use LaPua brass myself and have now for 11 years and yes it's of very good quality.. A hunter I know bought a very nice Mauser 98 in 300 H&H the only brass I could locate was Norma @$180.00 per hundred.. Wow he didn't know before he bought the rifle..I have a friend who bought a new Vanguard rifle, first group I fired at the range with factory 7mm mag was 3/4 " group , it would shoot..In my opinion after owning a Weatherby V in .224 for years , yes it still turns heads when people see it. Just what I wanted so I spent more money for it but have been very happy with it. Great video

[@robinj.9329]

As I recall, the Vanguard is also one of the few rifles with a 24 inch barrel, in this price range. I'm looking for one chambered for the 30-06. If I can find a good one, mount a great scope and "fine tune" my hand loads, I'll be very, very happy!!!!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Can't go wrong with the Vanguard - excellent remarkably affordable

[@rickywatson2119]

I have several vanguards,243/240mag/7mag/300mag /270 and 308 I've had them a long time no issues

[@danstevens2204]

Howa certainly does make the barreled actions. I’ve owned vanguard in .223 and s2 in .308 both exceptional shooters

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Dan - So much accuracy per dollar with the Howa - amazing rifles and actions.

[@dadsafrantic]

very nice comparison. i have a howa 243 with a pretty basic nikon 2fp scope and get consistent 1/2 inch groups. weatherby was smart to use howa.

[@mmarciniak]

Very informative video format. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Michael.

[@ericb.4358]

THE Weatherby Mark V to own is the Weatherby Backcountry in the new 6.5 Wby. RPM cartridge. If you get the titanium action (fluted steel bolt) it will come in around 5 pounds or a bit less which is VERY light for a long action mountain rifle. My 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro with fluted barrel and bolt and carbon fiber stock STILL weighs in at 6 lbs. 3 oz.

[@JonDoe-dt9uz]

Both the bolt on the Mark V and The Vanguard are 1 piece forged bolts The actions on both are also forged not cast like savage,Remington,tikka

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I wasn't sure - but I know the Vanguard is an amazing value. My 6.5 Creedmoor is one of my most accurate rifles ever.

[@JonDoe-dt9uz]

USOG Ya the Vanguard is one of the most amazing values out right now.

[@gregwalker4236]

there is something special about weatherby for me and it is the beautiful furniture that is available on the deluxe models. a monte carlo stock fits me better. a 257 deluxe and 300 wby weather mark V languish in my safe as well as numerous vanguards in 30 cals and 7mm mag. i like the trigger better on the vanguard over the mark v. my mark v's are a little rubbery and less predictable, but certainly acceptable. although not sanctioned, i ran 7mm mag brass thru the sizing die and shot these without fail thru my 257--for others mileage may vary!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I like the "mileage may vary" - well put.

[@oreopuppydawg1564]

Awesome video!

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

I like the Mark V but have little use for a Weatherby magnum. It would be kind of weird to have a Mark V in a 30-06 (which is a chamber offering for the Mark V). The Vanguard looks like a pretty sweet rifle as well.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I like those words : "pretty sweet" - that they are. Very fine, very accurate and well priced; how can one miss buying one : )

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns haha thanks, I try keep my language "hip"

[@calicojack556]

Another enjoyable and informative video. Thanks!

[@REDNECKROOTS]

The vanguard is actually a great action design. It's taken the best features of few actions . a mauser 98 recoil lug and bolt lugs. Winchester model 70 flat bottom thick ridgid reciver. And the rem model 700 round top and base pattern

[@robertspath6928]

I believe the Vanguard action is the old Sako L461 design.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Robert, I can see what you mean; both great actions and rifles.

[@markw6265]

The vanguard bolt / handle is one piece. Bolt and receiver are forged steel. The alum bedding block stock comes standard on the more expensive models. Also like the Sako style extractor. Have an older RC in 300 Wby.... great rifle.

[@pseudopetrus]

I have hear high praise for the Howa action.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I know you know guns! I agree. One of the best out there and the best value.

[@franksanchietti7108]

300 weatherby in the vanguard is an excellent rifle.

[@larrybassett5559]

I have examples of each and they are both very good. The Mark V bolt is indeed one solid piece, very strong 💪.

[@corporateworldwokeslave3589]

Howa makes the vanguard , i love howas

[@wrigman]

The Vanguard IS made by Howa, to Weatherby specs, so it IS an entry level Weatherby...

[@maxwelm7408]

I have two howa. Both in .308 one is 24” Varmint barrel and is free floated with a laminate stock. But the other howa is 22” sporter barrel walnut stock but NOT free floated it got a pressure point at the end. And both shoots clover leaf in 100 yards

[@strathunter14]

Great video Mike! Question, the Mark V stock is made from higher quality material (I think a composite maybe fiberglass) , in your mind how important is that in the quality of a rifle (accuracy/strength) price pt (I don't hear you talk much about the stock material - just wondering if you have preference other then wood). For my education, I would like to see a video on stock materials (advantages /disadvantages etc.). Thanks again!

[@danielboggan2479]

The Mark5 is more accurate most likely. 90% of shooters will never notice though as the vanguard out shoots the super majority of shooters.

[@hewlett260]

That stock is made by Bell&Carlsen they are also available for the Vanguard/Howa. The Howa is the more accurate action. I have owned both.

[@johninphx9360]

Great video , Thank you!

[@Caseydog3]

I have a Vanguard in 30.06 very accurate shot a hog at 70 yards right though both shoulders only 70 yards but a very hard shot nonetheless that’s when I fell in love with this rifle

[@donaldhanger9807]

Thanks for your information I have bought yes mark 5 is prettier but both kill and shoot well.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agrree

[@Trudeau-is-Stalin]

The Mark V is an action a wish they sold on its own for custom builds. Especially the new ones with the sexy fluting

[@jimothyrubie4638]

Needed comparison but I have to wonder what the differences would be in more similar calibers

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

Excellent review 👏

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you!

[@travisrains3659]

Shoot a vanguard recently. Very very ACCURATE RIFLE. 30-06 nice wood and metal finish.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Remarkable aren't they. I have not found or heard of a bad one yet. High praise.

[@vincef5832]

Another good video Mike-Thanks.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Big help. Thank you a bundle.

[@weakbrainthrombosis]

The vanguard lugs appear to be similar to a Remington 700. This is a really good video.

[@alexsuess9196]

I own both a Vanguard and a Mark V lasermark. I enjoy both rifles thoroughly. Maybe it was just my Vanguard but I did upgrade the trigger.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Alex - the Vanguard is so fine - as you know - and I like the trigger upgrade; I somehow just use triggers as they are - but many times I know they could be better : )

[@bigears4426]

I bought a weatherby vanguard in 223 , i was told it's a howa but weatherby reworked them , don't know if there is any truth to that , but it shoots well and that's what counts, it came with a test shot sheet 3 shots 2 holes and very close to each other

[@kalanitamondong1867]

The weatherby stock looks like a bell and Carson stock on the Remington 700 long rang rifle

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I can see the similarity.

[@johnwayne7476]

One thing I find perplexing is the admiration of the 338 Lapula , vs the disregard for the 8mm Remington magnum. Seem very similar to me. Even the numbers are match up , not exactly still both are above what should ever needs be for hunting. Even Africa. Maybe not for Buff or Elephant . Very few would need what’s required for them.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi John - I always wondered why the 8mm Rem. Mag. didn't catch on in the market. I suppose the .338 Win. Mag. already had that performance spot in the market - not that there are not many other cartridges that crowd one spot on the cartridge ladder - such as all the 6.5s that are so close in performance. Your point is probably the answer: only so many buyers for such levels of power.

[@diktatoralexander88]

It was so weird when I realized that my Arisaka, and Weatherby share in common that they're both from Japan.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Cool isn't it.

[@diktatoralexander88]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Watching your videos almost makes me want a Winchester 70 or Remy 700. The Remy 700 has served as the basis of the Marines M40 rifle, would you happen to know how to get a build like this?

[@cpborrelli]

I couldn't agree more on the Vanguard. I have an older VGD in 30.06 that is beautiful. It delivers sub moa with factory ammo and will kill anything I want to shoot with it. (I did replace the trigger) I shamefully drag it through brush and whatever rigors hunting provides so it has a few small stock blemishes but it has become a great friend and a lot less brutal to shoot then my Mark V. My vanguard will be going on my fall deer hunting trip with me this year. The Mark V is an amazing rifle but making a rifle people can afford and still make it a fine rifle is the real task for a gun builder and the Vanguard is an example of the that.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Weatherby should hire you. Perfect description. The Vanguard and the Mini-Vanguard are quietly exceptional rifles.

[@14goldmedals]

My 378 Weatherby has 2 recoil lugs. The same lug as shown on the Mk.V here plus a lug mortised and Tig welded ahead of it under the chamber. Both completely glass bedded.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Amazing! Is that factory or a custom feature?

[@14goldmedals]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns it's a factory feature for the walnut stocks. I can only describe the recoil as "crazy". I've fired a 460 Wby with the old school drilled muzzle brake holes. Mine has Magna-Porting and I'd say they recoil the same! I bought mine because it's a lefty and the wood is the most beautiful I've ever seen. The grain looks like smeared chocolate.

[@paulsimmons5726]

Weatherby rifles have a longtime reputation for quality and performance, regardless of manufacturing location. The only problem with Weatherby proprietary chamberings is that, compared to standard calibers, the shooter gets whacked as hard by the store clerk as the deer, elk, or whatever, gets slammed by the bullet. While I've always appreciated the Weatherby line, the cost of the ammo has always been the deal breaker. Beautiful rifles though, nonetheless.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're right about those cartridge costs - quite high sometimes. Wish there was a way around it. My friend got sick of it and sold his Mark V in .300 Weatherby and bought one in 30-06.

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

Paul Simmons handloading is the answer to your problem. Trust me, once you roll your own, you'll see the savings. Weatherby Mark Vs are wonderful rifles, but I've always considered it somewhat silly to get a Mark V in something that is not a proprietary Weatherby Magnum cartridge. Just my two cents worth.

[@iancurrie8844]

The vanguard actually DOES have a fully integral bolt handle, believe it or not. It is NOT a separate piece.

[@bobparvin9773]

My Howa and Weatherby rifles take a backseat to none of my other rifles. Remington, Ruger, Winchester are all very good, but none are better or more accurate.

[@briangard951]

Excellent review now I know the difference - thanks.

[@worddunlap]

Computer assisted design is functional on simple devices and modern materials can be near flawless if quality control is done. That said we will never have another John Browning, SKS, Eugene Stoner or Mauser Action. How designers and craftsman do things is ART. This is clear in almost every new gun design. The reason a receiver is so thin is because a software program decided it takes less metal and time to fabricate.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

The words of someone who knows - thanks for posting here.

[@ivarara]

To determine if the Mark V action is really stronger than a conventional two lug bolt needs modeling the action in a mechanical software (Solid Works or Autodesk Inventor) and load test both bolt actions. Almost all gun experts consider the Mark V being the strongest action there is in consumer production rifles, I am not convinced except I see results from such investigation. There is one problem though which actually won't be a problem and it is to determine the reverse force from the brass round when the pressure peaks, since the brass is breaked by friction between the cartridge outside walls and the inside walls in barrel end but these parameters will be cancelled out since the test would have to be made for identical cartridges. But what such investigation will reveal is the shear tensions in the material in the lugs, higher tensions indicate weaker action. To say it in simpler words, the two lug bolts have hefty lugs and ample of material to absorb load, the 9 lug Watherby has 9 small lugs and they have to be extremely well made plus the lugs in the receiver also must be very well made and all have contact, but that also goes for the two lug bolt. The investigation does not end by determining the shear tensions in the lugs, since the action with higher shear tension could also be made from stronger material and thus being able to handle higher shear tension. This investigation could be sent to a mechanical engineering school as a examination project :) and i would love to have done such a thesis when I was in engineering university.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hello Ivar - this is my favorite type of thinking. I also wonder if all those lugs engage perfectly. When I was much younger and had very poor judgement I ground the lugs off of a Mauser 98 7x57 one by one - I learned a lot about the strength of Mauser rifles from those experiments. I still believe that even 20 lugs are not superior to 2; always happy to be wrong though.

[@aubreysteele4466]

Then investigate. The testing of the Mark V in its development is on line and absolutely amazing. I've been aware of what was done for nearly 50 years which made a .300 Weatherby my first choice. I didn't regret it. These rifles won't win a bench rest competition, but sub MOA has never been a problem. Over the years, I've owned 45-50 rifles of all types, and for hunting, nothing else has come close in performance. Presently, my top rifle is a custom .300 Weatherby Mark V, that shoots bug holes at 100 yards with chronographed loads of 180 gr. bullet at 3300 fps. Recognizing that many others validly disagree, I like hot rifles, and Weatherby seems to strike the best balance.

[@carycary5824]

Today I bought a used Mark V in the .375 H&H. It looks like a stainless barrel but it might be something else. It has the heavy polymer stock and a Sightron 3x9x40 scope. It doesn’t say if it’s the Alaskan or anything, just Mark V Weatherby. South Gate, California. Made in Japan. Is this a 1990’s rifle???

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi - I asked around and that sounds right. May not be stainless through and through. Superb rifle. They all are. Great purchase.

[@eugenegress5896]

I guess I am being O.C.D., but I sort of Cringed, as to tapped and Moved the tip of a metal screw driver , on and against those expensive Rifle Bolts,but, yes, bolts obviously ride against metal . You do great videos , and give us great videos.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Sorry about that Eugene - I'm glad my videos are still okay though. All the best.

[@danielchristian5541]

In most cases, on Mauser pattern actions and possibly ithers, the base of the bolt handle also acts as a "lug'.

[@MrSiestaFiesta]

I have always had a love for Weatherby Rifles. I tend to stray away from the "typical" hunting rifles (Remington, Ruger, Browning, etc). What are your thoughts on T/C? Do you have any?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I had a T/C Icon - seemed to be okay. I remember the bolt being big and the handle could be changed out. Mine had a variation of a European butterknife bolt handle design which was fine. The action had a blockish sort of military look to it - which I liked - but we all see things differently. When I pulled the trigger it went boom and accuracy was really good. I think there was a removable magazine. Wish I could say more but I only had it a very short time. I would buy another if it came along at a decent price. The bolt lift was in the 60 degree range.

[@DMX-PAT]

Mike check out the Browning BBR, it has very similar bolt-lugs when compared to the Mark V.