The life and death of Owen Tudor.

[@timefoolery]

Thank you for this information! People usually pass on commenting on Owen Tudor and never really delve into his history, so I am most appreciative. This is all family history for me, as well.

[@RandomWalksWynfordEmanue-ci3sr]

Thank you for taking the time to comment. There's more about Owen and his descendants in my latest video: The Tudor 5.

[@timefoolery]

@@RandomWalksWynfordEmanue-ci3sr I’ll definitely check it out!!

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

@@timefooleryOops! I replied to you from the wrong account.

[@timefoolery]

@@wynfordemanuel4792 D’oh! 🤣

[@kathydominick1582]

Love hearing about the Tudors interesting family

[@annkelly0072]

Absolutely heinous how the body of a Queen was defiled & desecrated for centuries. No matter how many times that I hear that story, I'm still disgusted and shocked.

[@kimberlypatton205]

It was even worse , in the further details than is spoken of here! Such disrespect and violations !

[@martajozwa601]

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[@crazymiket1970]

Thank you so very much sir! Your telling of Tudor family history was captivating. I am so happy that Owen married for love like I did. Saddened we lost so many to early in our family. I will be catching up to the rest of your videos here. I am grateful to have found you and your channel. God bless your heart

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for that comment. I greatly appreciate it. I have just published a new video about Wales and the Tudors (Rhys ap Gruffydd). I hope you enjoy it.

[@deborahmorgan6848]

Wonderful presenter, what a beautiful speaking voice.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for your kind comment. I appreciate it.

[@alisonridout]

Great video especially as I'm Welsh. There's a plaque on the floor commemorating Owen in the square at Hereford. I always stop and read it when we visit. We recently visited Edmund's tomb at St David's Cathedral. Now all that's left to do in February when we visit Westminster Abbey is pay respects to Henry VIi - although we did visit Pembroke Casle where he was born, for the third time the day after St David's. Alison from Caerphilly 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 avid historian

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for your kind comment. What wonderful opportunities we have to learn about the episodes of our past - and enjoy the stories that brought us to where we are today.

[@braddvaughn6076]

I have found out he is a relative of mine ! I am researching my family tree ! Dizzy from how deep it is going ! I can't keep track of all the intermarying!

[@IosuamacaMhadaidh]

Me too. The intermarriage and multiple marriages are frustrating.

[@beth7935]

OMG, I can't even put into words how great this is, & how much I love it!!! Or if I tried, I'd have to write an essay, lol- I learned sooooo much & it was fascinating! Owain's someone I've always wanted to know more about, but I didn't think there _was_ much information available- but you tell me there's a great bio of him? Damn, another book on my wish-list! I think it might go to the top, & in the meantime, I have _loads_ of stuff to add to my notes about Owain- thankyou so much!

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

I’m glad you liked it, and thank you for saying so. You may note that there is a (simpler) story about Jasper Tudor on my channel.

[@jardon8636]

arddechog, excellent ,,,fascinating and yes the book is great source, we know a lot about jasper and queen catherine.. but not much at all,,, about owain...your video as always was great... keep up the great work...

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you very much for that kind comment. I really appreciate it.

[@ryansmith9711]

Goodness- you know your history- I very much enjoy your videos! SUBSCRIBED! It is also interesting how, historically, the English, Scottish, Welsh, etc. have fought amongst themselves yet, there has always been mixing, and adoption of cultures, names, etc. Turns all politics are local and of the time.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thanks for the comment. I have the luxury of benefiting from the hard work of others.

[@kimberlypatton205]

This is my most beloved part of history! Shakespeare could not have written it better if it were fiction! Sir Rhys Ap Thomas was also a legendary and superbly loyal trustworthy knight! His story is incredible on its own! Henry the VII started the dynasty with such promise and dedication, it all seemed to unravel after the death of Arthur. I love medieval history!

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for your comment. I share your sentiments. I made a very simple video about Rhys ap Thomas a few years ago, in case you would like to watch it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYrUp55nZ7FkmtU

[@kimberlypatton205]

Thank you for your response! At times I wish I had a magical “viewing” machine just to be able to witness historical events! I almost-forgot…it was your great video on Sir Thomas (so detailed!) that I remember enjoying so much! Great channel!

[@jodeeps2287]

I just came across your channel, excellent! Subscribed immediately 😊

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for the kind feedback. It keeps me busy 😊

[@anknee1458]

Great video! Thank you for taking so much of your time into making these, and especially in honoring my previous request. I’ve also been interested in learning about Cerdic of Wessex. Æthelstan, as well as the entire English monarchy, descended from him (I may be incorrect though). Cerdic is also a figure that I have not found much information on. However I am aware that he lived a thousand years before the Tudors and you may not be familiar with that time period.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for the reply. I’m pleased that you like it. My focus is on stories that are not well-known and relevant to the history of Wales. I’ve two new ones that will be released in January, when I can finish the filming in north Wales. I may do some reading on your specific interests. Best wishes.

[@topwelda147]

Fantastic 😎 Diolch I chdi

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Diolch yn fawr. Thank you.

[@Little.MissDiagnosed]

Fabulous video. The painting of a “pregnant women” isn’t of a pregnant women - that’s a style of dress in a famous painting.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Thank you for your kind comment. I can only excuse myself by saying that fashion has never been my strong point. :)

[@Little.MissDiagnosed]

@@wynfordemanuel4792 it was declared “generic” and not a video about paintings, pregnancy or those people! The writing however has kept me happy through many Canadian evenings!

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

@@Little.MissDiagnosed Thank you again. I’m pleased that you enjoyed it.

[@monikagrosch9632]

Wo die Liebe hin fällt….

[@jasperhorace7147]

Two points interest me. The mental problems of Henry VI clearly came from the Valois line. Catherine’s father was quite mad, yet that mental weakness doesn’t seem to have been inherited by either of her Tudor sons. Secondly, I’ve never thought Margaret Beaufort originally had designs on the throne for her son until Richard III usurped his nephews and imprisoned them, making Elizabeth Woodville an ally and Elizabeth of York a pawn in the power play. I believe all Margaret wanted for Henry up to that date was recognition and a return of his patrimony, allowing him to live as a noble in England. Richard III showed Margaret, and probably several others, that the throne of England was really up for grabs by the most ruthless, the most cunning, the most powerful, those with the best connections and the strongest army. At that stage Margaret Beaufort, doting mother, saw the possibility her son Henry could be King. A huge gamble to take with your only child’s life.

[@dalestaley5637]

Women know why she fell for a hunk with a brain! 😂 I love this story. I've longed to know more about Owen Tudor. The snobbery of the caste system, yes caste system in the English society. This was a love match. He was persistent! She loved that. He was brave. Swoon city! Talk about upward mobility. Owen and a Queen started a dynasty. Yet historians speak about this man as if he were scum.

[@CaptainJackSparrowSavvy]

Great Grandady Owen.

[@greenmoss9079]

My Grandfather's middle name is Owen just now gave it some thought because the name was mentioned. Anyway I have heard something of this history and I have read the diary of Samuel Pepys. Well each day for a couple of years now. Lol take care

[@middlelle]

Owen is m 15th great-grandfather through Jasper.

[@heurtemattefrancois4160]

Owen Tudor: Founding Father of the Tudor Dynasty, by Terry Breverton, Amberley Publishing (2017)

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Other videos relevant to the Tudor saga are available. They are about Jasper Tudor, Rhys ap Thomas, and also his grandson Rhys ap Gruffydd..

[@This.is.too.much.]

My paternal grandmother is a Tudor, her lineage leads directly to Owen

[@bdp1966]

Any relation to Rhys ap Tudur,father of Princess Nest? According to Ancestry,Rhys was my 24th Great Grandfather.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

To the best of my knowledge, no. These were separate families of north and south Wales (Gwynedd and Deheubarth). Someone out there may know more about the lineage.

[@jillybrooke29]

Owain Tudor and therefore all Henrys and Margaret Beaufort.... my ancestors

[@williethomas5116]

My question is simply has there ever been any evidence that Owen Tudor and Catherine of Valois were ever actually married!? Any contemporary reference to an actual marriage having taken place.

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

As far as I know there is no documented evidence of the marriage. However, circumstantial evidence seems very strong. The social mismatch lends itself to a discreet / secret wedding. A couple (including an ex-queen) living together and having many children would have been frowned upon by society. Co-habiting and producing offspring would have been unacceptable to the church. The two were known as a long-term couple with as many as six children, and so there is perhaps no reason why they should not (in time) be seen as legally married. At a time of great rivalry there seems to have been no debate over the children’s legitimacy. I am not an historian, but I understand that Tudor historians accept that there was a marriage. Thanks for the comment.

[@anthonytroisi6682]

The restriction on the Queen's remarriage was developed because no one wanted Katherine to marry Edmund of Somerset. There were rumors that Edmund Tudor was the fathered by Edmund of Somerset. Edmund of Somerset must have had a great deal of masculine appeal because his name was later linked to Margaret of Anjou, the wife of Henry VI. The marriage of Katherine and Owen possibly would have been considered illegal because Henry VI was probably still a minor at the time of Edmund Tudor's birth. No one probably cared what Katherine did because she did not marry anyone politically important and she stayed away from the English court. I think Owen Tudor was extremely attractive and that Katherine was in love with him. Isabeau of Bavaria, Katherine's mother, took so many lovers that the paternity of her son the Dauphin was a subject of conjecture. Henry VI probably elevated his half-brothers to such a high rank as a way of honoring the mother who he had rarely seen. I have always wondered about Edmund Tudor and his relationship with Margaret Beaufort. I do not a man who impregnated his small, thirteen-year-old bride was much of a gentleman. Is there any record of how Margaret Beaufort felt about Edmund Tudor?@@wynfordemanuel4792

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

@@anthonytroisi6682 I regret my extremely tardy response to your comment. I somehow failed to see it earlier. I agree with what you say. But as to your question, I am unable to answer it. The first-hand sentiments of people at this time are sparse and rarely recorded - so we rely on interpretation by others.

[@leanie5234]

I always wondered about Owen, and thought that he was sop for Catherine's pregnancy by the guy she was having an affair with: Edmond Beaufort (apparently, the crown refused to allow their marriage, so Catherine left court, returning after some period of time with a "husband" and a young son in tow. A young son named "Edmund"....weird or what ?

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Hi. That’s an interesting theory. However,the pair went on to have plenty of children - perhaps as many as six. That doesn’t indicate an arrangement of convenience to me. And by some accounts both were vivacious and good looking, so mutual attraction may be another factor to consider. Thanks for commenting.

[@harrietyounger6118]

Did Owen Tudor marry Catherine Beaufort? Because would that not make Margret Beaufort and Edmund Tudor 1st cousins?

[@RandomWalksWynfordEmanue-ci3sr]

@@harrietyounger6118 He only married Catherine de Valois, although he later had a long relationship (and at least one child) with a woman in Pembroke.

[@harrietyounger6118]

@@RandomWalksWynfordEmanue-ci3sr thanks for the reply x

[@lizlyon2902]

Owen Tudor married the widow of Henry Vth, Catherine de Valois.

[@artemisbarax9132]

my boyfriend is decent from David Tudor the illegitimate son

[@lizlyon2902]

Presumably you mean a descendant?!

[@artemisbarax9132]

@@lizlyon2902 when someone is “decent” from someone that means they are a descendant. I’m decent from my 10th great grandmother, which makes me a descendant. Descendant is plural.

[@neenaj365]

Owen was an 18th Grandfather to me via two maternal routes. If one of your family had married into the Butlers or Poyntz family, you’re likely to have many Tudor forebears. Samuel Pepys was a really awful man.

[@GTMemes2]

" O-wine" ? Interesting 🤔 Never ,not once Have I 'erd it pronounced that way?? Is that Old English,?,Galic?, latin? Or?... us yanks pronounce it.."O-when" O-wine... to us is either old tasty and expensive .wine...or viniger

[@wynfordemanuel4792]

Hello.Thank you for the comment. Yes, he was a Welsh-speaker and Owain is the Welsh version of Owen. It is still a fairly common name in Wales. It is pronounced, as you wrote 'o wine.' In history, he is usually referred to by the anglicised 'Owen.'