The Linux Foundation Doesn't Use Linux To Create Their Reports

The Linux Foundation was spotted, once again, not using the Linux operating system. In a recent report that they published, you can see that it was created on a Mac using Adobe software. Here are my thoughts on video and in the email below:
MY EMAIL TO THE LINUX FOUNDATION:
[e-mail]
To Whom It May Concern:
I am long-time Linux user and supporter of free and open source software, but I am growing increasingly concerned that The Linux Foundation and its employees may not share my values regarding Linux and open source. I noticed that the recently published 2020 Linux Kernel History Report was written on a Mac using Adobe software. I find it strange that anyone associated with The "Linux" Foundation would be using a Mac. And considering that your website states that your organization is committed to providing support for the open source community, I find it even more bizarre that proprietary garbage, such as the software produced by Adobe, is being used to create basic PDF presentations.
Personally, I love Linux and open source. Linux has influenced my life in a positive way, and I want Linux to continue to grow and awareness of Linux to spread. But for this to happen, I think that The Linux Foundation and its employees should play a pivotal role in this growth. And I don't see this happening. I don't think it is crazy to imagine a time when the open source community, which tends to be rather idealistic, becomes so uncomfortable with the directions of the Foundation that many in the community abandon Linux altogether. After all, if The Linux Foundation cares so little about Linux and open source, why should I, as an open source advocate, care about Linux?
Sincerely,
Derek Taylor
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[@tonyv3625]

Is there a viable alternative to the Linux Foundation?

[@DistroTube]

Organizations that are worth donating to: Free Software Foundation - fsf.org Electronic Frontier Foundation - eff.org Software Freedom Conservancy - sfconservancy.org

[@sevenracing3092]

Free Software Foundation, definitely!

[@Andrath]

yes. BSD,

[@themroc8231]

@@switted823 "The one that lynch Stallman for something he didn't actually say?" He actually wrote the things that were reproached to him. And he never denied having written it. You'll find a transcript of the email chain at the bottom of this article. www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing

[@a6166a]

BSD Foundation illumos Foundation

[@chopcooey]

i hate to see everything good systematically polluted by corporate crap. linux foundation is no exception. I wish Apple made an ad showing those guys and saying something like "Mac is so good, even the linux foundation uses it"

[@altermetax]

That would make normies think Linux sucks

[@elimgarak3597]

@@altermetax nobody cares about normies

[@altermetax]

@@elimgarak3597 Normies are potential new Linux users

[@IAmOxidised7525]

@Tarun yo , linux has the best GUI personalization , 100x better than windows

[@YouKnowMeDuh]

This comment sent me XD

[@entropie123]

I don't even know what LF does. They offer Linux courses for high prices and memberships. I became a member but after I did that nothing happened. No newsletter or anything. Was a complete waste of Money.

[@programorprogrammed]

They pay Torvalds and Greg

[@AndersJackson]

As written, they pay Torvalds and Greg. And they are a connection for big companies that want Linux to develop, as they base a large part of their company on Linux.

[@kdemetter]

www.linuxfoundation.org/about/ "The Linux Foundation is dedicated to building sustainable ecosystems around open source projects to accelerate technology development and industry adoption. Founded in 2000, the Linux Foundation provides unparalleled support for open source communities through financial and intellectual resources, infrastructure, services, events, and training. Working together, the Linux Foundation and its projects form the most ambitious and successful investment in the creation of shared technology." So, removing the marketing talk, it seems to be about promoting open source software.

[@srgk26]

They develop the Linux kernel.

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

_100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs_ -the Linux Foundation donation page. Is the Linux Foundation interested in Linux at all? 🤷‍♂️

[@altermetax]

Oh.

[@dkosmari]

I had to double check... You're right! Donations aren't going towards promoting Linux, or FLOSS, or supporting Linux developers or FLOSS projects. 100% is going towards discrimination programs because people in a given place don't have the right skin color or the right genitals. I didn't think the Linux Foundation was that bad.

[@joetheman74]

The linux foundation is interested in only one regard to linux. CONTROL! Linux is the platform that runs over 80% of the worlds servers. The backbone of the Internet. The majority of all supercomputers including the top 100 supercomputers in the world. That is a lot of power. Where there is power to be had, the elite and their corporations will be there to use their money and influence to take control.

[@MestreDentistaGUC]

That's so disappointing. Perhaps we should form a Linux Community Foundation 🤔

[@aktw1234]

@@dkosmari what?

[@scooter4196]

I didn't realize Tencent was a platinum member of The Linux Foundation. That's scary.

[@madsouris]

they are everywhere, even in hollywood, gaming industry...

[@fuseteam]

as is adobe and autocad

[@heroe1486]

@@madsouris Well it seems you just have to give 500k$ per year to get a siege, why wouldn't they pay for it ?

[@techzone2009]

They don't even bring pubg emulator to Linux even thousands of people vote to bring pubg emulator to Linux 😠😠😠

[@hsoj9550]

Honestly, Huawei is scarier...

[@andrew8293]

They care about Open Source, but not Free (as in freedom) Software. If you ever noticed pretty much every one of these companies make some kind of open source project in one way or another that is usually licensend under a permissive license and not a copyleft license.

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

Underrated comment.

[@EduardoRFS]

how in hell is a permissive license less free than a copyleft license

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

Eduardo Rafael it’s not, in my opinion. Yet they’re axiomatically different in definition and purpose, especially as regards end users. Not that I agree necessarily, but here’s the counterpoint: www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

[@Ateshtesh]

Seems they care more about transgender and LGTBQ+ "We use funds from Individual Supporters to help drive our diversity and inclusiveness programs. With our community, we have supported groups like Women Who Code, a global non-profit dedicated to inspiring women to excel in technology careers; Transtech, an incubator for LGBTQ with a focus on empowering transgender people; Free Geek, which recycles and refurbishes used computers and provides desktop training for underserved populations; #YesWeCode, which is focused on training low-opportunity youth to become high-level coders; and Outreachy, an initiative that coordinates and underwrites programming internships for women, transmen, and genderqueer people."

[@codenoob9325]

@@Ateshtesh Go check all tech companies. They're all trying to appear civil and righteous. It's called marketing. Even the army did it.

[@0x007A]

From the Linux Foundation website, "The Linux Foundation, the home of Linux creator Linus Torvalds and lead maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman, provides a neutral home where Linux kernel development can be protected and accelerated for years to come." It is apparent the Linux Foundation is solely focused on the linux kernel not free/libre software not open source software in general.

[@leeh.1900]

So Linus and GKH both live at the LF home? And a neutral home...no one else must live there with them...and infect them with politics or meanness or opinions or anything else in the world that is not"neutral". And Linus and GKH just sit in a beige room...and write code...and never interact with the real world. Wow... sounds just like a place I would avoid the f*ck out of.

[@leeh.1900]

@@bigpod Well stated...but not completely covering the entirety of the issue IMO.

[@BardKeepseasy]

Agreed. It is not shocking that CAT engine designer rides Tesla car.

[@0x007A]

@@BardKeepseasy he or she could at least drive a vehicle with a Cummins engine. Come on man. ;-)

[@jimmyneutron129]

it's not right they do give money to a lot of open source projects though not really for the desktop

[@sage5578]

Sadly the truth is most corporations and colleges force windows/macos on the users. But the linux foundation people using macos is actually rediculous.

[@lucperkins9843]

Why, though? Who cares what the people of the Foundation, many of whom aren't particularly technical, use in their day jobs? How does that somehow "compromise" Linux?

[@sevenracing3092]

@@lucperkins9843 I feel like it's one of those, "how can we support your organisation, if you have no passion about the product"

[@heroe1486]

@@lucperkins9843 " many of whom aren't particularly technical" nowadays any boomer could easily use Ubuntu or one of its forks, common using ubuntu is even easier than using adobe, no one asked them to run Gentoo. How do you want an organization to push Linux if they can't even push it internally ?

[@Parker8752]

@@lucperkins9843 ultimately, if you want to get people to use a product, you need to use it yourself. If you don't, whether intentionally or not, you're displaying a lack of confidence in your own product. If you don't have confidence in your own product, then why should anyone else? When even the linux foundation won't use Linux as a desktop os, how can we possibly expect the general public to do so?

[@jamie9419]

so far CSUF has been very friendly to linux and actually probably was the biggest factor in why i ended up becoming a linux user... We were required to use Linux for introductory programming. In the instructions to install it we were given the option to use a VM, but we were recommended to install it natively... from there I started reading on what the distributions were and ended up running Arch on my laptop and haven't looked back. So far I haven't had any homework I couldn't do on it. For Java we are using Intellij Idea and it works fine using OpenJDK on Arch.

[@Sherolox]

Seeing Tencent in that list of Platinum Members is giving me the creeps.

[@zonnodon163]

Yikes

[@wallyhackenslacker]

I believe that the Linux Foundation having Linux in the name is mostly an artifact by this point. Kinda like the Apache Software Foundation. They run so many other projects completely unrelated to the projects that kickstarted each foundation.

[@cordovajose5693]

Two pieces of truth. The Linux Foundation's president is no other than Linus Torvalds. No one from the Apache people is in the board of the Apache Software Foundation.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

@@cordovajose5693 The executive director of the LF is Jim Zemlin. AFAIK Linus Torvalds has never had an executive position in the foundation. He is a fellow of the foundation, sure, which means he gets a salary paid for by the LF, but he is not it's president nor is he on it's board of directors.

[@LANDAVERDI]

l love The Linux Foundation 👍 I am learning a lot from their courses (e-learning), they are the best, I don't care what this angry old man says.

[@sigmundfreud4472]

Wow, I’m absolutely shocked. I’ve been using TLF’s “Introduction to Linux” course on edX, and in it they espouse and gush over the merits of open source software. I’m on chapter 7 of 18, but I’m wondering if there’s a better way to go about learning Linux... any suggestions?

[@jimdaniels4595]

Install a distro, Google things to do after installing, run the commands. And slowly but surely you get used to the commands.

[@2012knp]

This channel is also a good source of information

[@rayi512x]

Or watch chris titus tech

[@astrajim]

Chris titus tech is the place to start, indeed.

[@DannyMexen9]

As I say, not as I do?? If the lesson is benefiting you, why not finish it? Just a thought.

[@Mega_Casual]

After watching this, I decided to see if they even have a mission statement. I was unable to find such a thing. Why would people donate to someone that doesn't publish their goals and intentions?

[@dkosmari]

It says right there, in their "Donate" page: "100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs."

[@Mega_Casual]

@@dkosmari What are diversity programs? Also that is not a mission statement. Weak defense.

[@dkosmari]

@@Mega_Casual Promising to use all donations towards Marxist divisive programs is a mission statement. What other monetary source do they have that could be used for something else? Diversity Programs is when some useless idiot walks into a room, sees there aren't enough vaginas, or that the skin colors are wrong, and decides the correct genitalia and the correct skin colors need to fill that room. Next time a company or institution, being targeted by a Diversity Program, goes hiring, they'll discriminate on superficial characteristics such as genitalia or skin, to satisfy a quota, instead of merit. That doesn't help Linux, that doesn't help the FLOSS community, that doesn't help users.

[@danieldlmiranda]

​@@dkosmari Man, your comment should be printed, framed and placed into a wall in every company that does this kinda of shit. I couldn't have said this any better

[@dkosmari]

@@priyapepsi You can't have it both ways. They're opposite. Either you prioritize merit, or you prioritize irrelevant immutable characteristics. How much diversity do you want? How much is enough? Why is it needed at all?

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

Remember when they kicked Linus out?

[@elimgarak3597]

Didn't Linus himself decide to take a rest or something?

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

@@elimgarak3597 He got kicked out from basically his own organization and then was readmitted because he promised that he will be a good sensitive boy from now on. That's what actually happened and you know it.

[@openshores4288]

@@censoredterminalautism4073 ah is it because of his anger issues? loved the guy but he should be more considerate of the people who contribute to linux...he corrected someone's code in a very degrading message even I could have an existential crisis

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

@@openshores4288 I don't like him, but kicking him out of his own project is insane and the people around him are worse than him.

[@lucperkins9843]

Linus is an abusive asshole, to the point where his conduct was becoming extremely detrimental to the development of Linux

[@Phydoux2112]

I would love to hear their response to this. It would be interesting.

[@techzone2009]

Others youtuber also push this movement

[@lucperkins9843]

They won't waste their time responding to it because it's a silly "takedown"

[@mrnobody1321]

i can't understand the dislikes. what's the reason?

[@mmpiero]

Apple fanboys dislike it.

[@toddmartin7030]

It's important to remember the scope of the Linux foundation. The foundation's primary goal is not the development of the desktop. Their goal is to ensure Linux gets continued development in the areas of server computing and other business applications. Look at top donors to the foundation. it wasn't exactly a secret. That is always what it was about. Making sure it can be maintained for enterprise applications. If you care about free and opened source software, the FSF has always been there.

[@toddmartin7030]

@Happy feet Boi Well it takes people to breed life into a movement, and all I see here in the comments are people looking for such an organization. Otherwise its the, I want something done, but I want someone else to do it for me attitude. And that is the problem with our community of FOSS lovers. We have relied on a hand full of people to lead the charge. Don't worry about it, Stallman's got it. Well now he doesn't. And it wouldnt be a big deal if we were all participating in the beginning.

[@andrewgrant788]

You are correct. Facebook, Google and the big cloud vendors are all running Linux in their data centers and often MacsOS on their desktops.

[@ebatalha]

Look at Blender. Blender now has some corps that joined them. Probably you Linux fanatic guys should quit using it. Extremism was never a good thing.

[@gildedlink]

So I started watching expecting something obvious like using office instead of libreoffice, or something like that- and then you said inDesign. That instantly turned me around on this opinion, because the linux alternative to inDesign is Scribus, and I *hate* Scribus. It is not intuitive, not fast to use, not well laid out. I want to be clear here- I went to school for a design related field, and learned indesign in the course of that education. I despise inDesign. I just despise Scribus even more. The only program I've ever actually enjoyed in a publishing workflow like this is Affinity Publisher, which sadly Affinity have no have plans to move to linux ever (for any of their 3 programs, which are great and are quickly becoming the last anchors to a dual boot setup for me unfortunately). So I think there is a discussion to be had here about computers being tools, and you use the tool that lets you get the job done. If you're trying to argue your existence as a foundation, and your foundation is all about spreading one particular choice, but part of the mission of perpetuating adoption and knowledge about that choice means using some less savory tools for lack of choice because those tools actually allow for the productivity you need- this is a bit of a no brainer for me. If inDesign is in their workflow, it might be a matter of working with printers for events that are used to indesign files and don't want to goof around with open formats when they have some automated process expecting the closed format they've been handed for 25 years to spot color and print a job in 10 minutes instead of 3 hours. It might be a matter of the artists doing the layout work just being more familiar with inDesign, and the learning curve for the alternative tools not allowing them to meet a necessary deadline. Tool vs Ideology. Both have some place in the world, neither is effective if they can't make allowances for one another. I'm all for being critical of an entity like LF on the basis of how they spend money, how wasteful, whether actions and processes further the stated mission, whether policies respect members freedoms and personal liberties or force them to behave as 'sanitized' as their corporate backers, and who pulls financial strings. I think going after them over something like this only makes those issues worse, because it can potentially lead to them still having all this resource and influence and not even outputting anything productive on top of that, existing purely for self perpetuation.

[@jezzamobile]

If the LF used their funding to help develop projects to the standard they needed them to be for their own use (even if in the short term it meant their use of resources wasn't optimal), that would have been honourable & productive - and in the process, actively made Linux a more attractive proposition for non-users. Something any Linux user would have been able to stand behind - an organisation worth supporting. Unfortunately, this isn't the case, time to cut losses & move on. Invest in projects that deliver.

[@lancercncs1822]

I've used both InDesign and Scribus. I can totally understand that InDesign is a bit easier to use but Scribus really isn't that bad. I was able to convert all of the layouts I had originally done in InDesign to Scribus with very few issues without compromising the original look.

[@ashishpatel350]

You'd think they'd want to use Linux.

[@RichardLScott]

Yes, in an idea world

[@michaelmartin5995]

I am a thirty-year IT engineer that has been working with UNIX since the late 80’s and Linux from the mid-90’s (very early user) and I have never ever used Linux as a desktop. I used to have the privilege of using UNIX workstations over the years and liked them. (DEC/SUN/HPUX) My last UNIX workstation was a Sparc 10 and it gave up the ghost five years ago but it had become a novelty and not a daily driver. But for a very long time I have used Apple’s end user devices and they work very well for me. I am not an Apple worshiper but I am productive with their tools. We also license Microsoft’s O365 suite for business collaboration and document management. Our data centers and cloud based infrastructures are nearly 90% Redhat/Ubuntu servers. (As of today we have approximately 14,000 Linux installations in production across three cloud platforms.) We only run Linux as a server, never as a desktop. The Linux desktop space doesn’t really mean anything to a lot of us. It is the server side of the discussion that pays our bills. About half of our engineers who are our primary datacenter admins run Windows 10. If you have ever had to manage very large scale infrastructures like we do, you often do not have the luxury of being system purists. (Our companies revenues are $3.4Bn annually.)

[@DavidThomas404]

Michael Martin, that is the most well written and well rounded comment I have seen so far. Being idealistic about desktop Linux is admirable. People seem to forget that big corporations pay for a huge amount of development. Many think everything is free but somebody pays somewhere even if unseen publicly. I believe in using the best tool for the job. Personally I find Linux/Unix make more sense to me than windows but that isn’t to say the latter doesn’t have a place. Also calling all proprietary software garbage is frankly ridiculous and Linux wouldn’t exist if not for Minix! I loved my time with HP-UX, a proprietary Unix which was excellent in many areas. People seem to forget proprietary doesn’t just mean Apple and Microsoft!

[@christophmeyer2693]

Yeah the productivity on Mac is amazing.

[@lolvivo8783]

He is calling them out as scam bcoz they call themselves 'the linux foundation'. If they call themselves as something else it wouldnt matter that much. I understand productivity is a concern and it is also a matter of what u already trained for proficiency in a particular job. The linux foundation could continue doing its work with a different name so as to avoid misguiding others in regards to their intent.

[@erickgruis106]

This is a problem. The desktop should be used and developed to easily accomplish exactly what you use W10 for. Linux Desktop should be built to EASILY manage those servers. FOSS will become a footnote and die if we continue to let Corp scum control everything.

[@lalamax3d]

blender foundation is more honest than linux foundation. two thumbs up #blenderfoundation

[@mfoley2378]

Tell us how you really feel.

[@JosephDickson]

I agree, however. You can't expect every vendor and employee to use Gimp, Inkscape and Scribus when the entire design industry has been built upon vendor lock-in. 😒 They really should make using FOSS software a requirement if they believe in their own core values. It's an easy win.

[@openshores4288]

still have windows 10 VM in my linux laptop because of MS Office(and photoshop). LibreOffice sometimes messed up documents when i returned it to someone who created it using MS Office...Krita on the other hand is a very good Digital Painting alternative, kudos to them ;)

[@lucperkins9843]

Okay, why don't you join the LF recruiting team and try to find people on the job market who are skilled at design etc. and also passionate about FOSS. I'll wait.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

I'd love to see a serious competitor to Photoshop and Lightroom on Linux, but it just doesn't exist. And that's not even talking about all the extensions. I don't think it's fair to call that vendor-locked though; it's Adobe not being willing to put the money into developing for such a tiny market share. Let's be honest, the world is not exactly overflowing with creative professionals who really want to work on Linux instead. The software isn't there. So, they don't switch. So Adobe looks at Linux and says "uh, yeah, no customers so not gonna bother". So the software isn't there. So the creative professionals don't switch. It's a catch-22, and the only thing I see that might break it is either, for some reason, the Adobe gods bless everyone with versions of their software for Linux, or somehow, somewhere, someone makes an alternative to it on Linux. Free and open-source though? I _really_ doubt that will happen anytime soon. It takes money to make progress in a short time.

[@JosephDickson]

@@lucperkins9843 just so happens I am a designer and I work from Linux all the time. However, I'm constantly asking my colleagues to re-export documents in open formats because I simply can't really a PSD or AI file. However, if I'm the creator of that document or everyone around me was using the tools I use it's not difficult. But trying to get everyone away from Adobe in particular is like asking the Linux community to stick to a single package manager. It's simply not going to happen. 🤣

[@urugulu1656]

@@bigpod interesting. here its mostly thr other way round. if you hand in anything as a pdf no one cares. they happily accept. so i ditched word processors entirely and do everything with latex + vim. side effect : if anyone asks if i can help with solving what not in word i just say "no i aint usin that shit for anything for the last like 5 years i wouldnt be helpful"

[@rwoliver2]

I love Linux and use it daily, but the Adobe and Microsoft Office products aren't garbage. For some things, they're almost necessary. I think it's a problem more with the state of the Linux desktop and software company support for it rather than the Linux Foundation itself.

[@marley_sr]

I think with adobe suite, linux can easily kick mac os in % of users

[@izmoqwy2184]

Microsoft Office can be fully replaced with often better open-source alternatives. On the Adobe side, a few of them are really good products (even if lots are just crap) but the fact that they do not support Linux despite being asked over and over is just being stubborn at this point. In my opinion, this gives a bad image of the Company, aggravating their closed-source problem. The related problem with the Linux Foundation is the fact that they use a really bad PDF editor when open-source alternatives are way better.

[@rwoliver2]

@@izmoqwy2184 I wish Office could be replaced, but it can't. The integration with OneDrive, it's advanced spelling and grammar checking, and various other power user features make Microsoft Word the industry leader for now. I will GLADLY switch to LibreOffice Writer when it reaches parity .

[@isak01234]

The Linux foundation is all about servers, kubernetes and the kernel. If you start talking about Linux on the desktop to any of these executives they will laugh in your face.

[@SkyFly19853]

Maybe it's time to fork Linux Foundation to new Linux Foundation...

[@CMatomic]

Linux is a Kernel .

[@Mr.Finkel]

i'm sure they installed arch on their macbooks ;)

[@Phydoux2112]

Personally, I would have cc'd your email to everybody on that front cover. They reviewed and signed off on it so, how could they have missed the whole Adobe on a Mac thing? I may just do that myself.

[@benlu]

Reports are generally made by designers who compile the content and make it look pretty. Google doesn't force you to use a pixel phone if you work for them for example. I don't think you should spam people at the linux foundation about this waste of time, I think they have more important things than making sure their designers are using linux software, when perhaps that's not even the best use case for their software. Please reconsider this spamming approach, there's too much hate on the internet already

[@nobytes2]

yup most designers no matter the company they use Macs because all designer software will never run on linux.

[@starmanL0L]

For me it feels like the final straw for Derek. Imo a company that (in theory) stands for free and open source software has to have some standards. And accepting donations while being stuffed by the biggest tech companies in the world, come on. Non-profit huh. Spamming is more of a protest than hating anyway. What else can you do, sign petitions? Stop buying their products?

[@nobytes2]

@@starmanL0L For me this is called gate keeping. Stop worrying about what Linux Foundation is doing, sounds like why are you buying a mac when you can get Linux. People have the free will to do whatever they want. Are they making you pay for linux distros? Are they making you pay for software? Are you happy with Linux? Is kinda hypocritical to say we want freedom, free software, but not free will to do whatever you like.

[@starmanL0L]

@@nobytes2 fair enough, people deserve free will. And with that free will they can decide to protest against things they don't like.

[@nobytes2]

@Happy feet Boi You're most likely using some form of proprietary software on your Linux distro.

[@Vancha112]

On a broader note, why does a foundation use proprietary standards for public documents anyway? How hard is it to use an open format these days? It's been literally years since libreoffice had any major microsoft office format incompatibilities. It's trivial to export such open files to pdf. Does libreoffice still need campaigning now?

[@kennethdarlington]

It's like Toyota execs riding bunch of BMWs or Tim Apple presenting new iPhone via Microsoft Surface book 3 on the stage...

[@hewfrebie2597]

Now I understand why The Linux Foundation includes DRMs. Richard Stallman was right all along! That's why they never upgrade the copyleft license the GNU GPL v3.

[@nonenothingnull]

Forking and forgetting about where it forked from is a good way to go.

[@hewfrebie2597]

@@bigpod because I hate DRMs in my gaming PC

[@esra_erimez]

By the way, I run Arch on my Macbook Pro

[@reason2008]

I shared DT's video on a recent Linux Foundation Facebook post.

[@GadgeteerZA]

I had Oracle in South Africa come present to us about their offerings including their LInux (so it was not only about Linux) but they used MS Windows with MS Office. I did point out to them that actually they should be using their "own" product.... Corporate Marketing just don't understand really what their products are about...

[@wavelengthaudio]

It appears the incriminating information has been removed from the document. I just downloaded and cannot see it with any of my Linux PDF viewers

[@Shuliba]

"The Linux Foundation promotes, protects and standardizes Linux by providing unified resources and services needed for open source to SUCCESSFULLY COMPETE with closed platforms." The goal itself is already a defeat.

[@leeh.1900]

Hey Derek...please don't hold back... :) ... Don't powder puff this...thanks for pointing this out. And thanks for taking a stand. In the Linux community...we are different...and should be proud of it. You are correct about walking it back and pointing out the relationship that The Linux Foundation has with biz...and what it does. But you know what...this is like someone from Ford...on the Board of Directors...and is driving a Hyundai...and has a Toyota LandCruiser in the garage...sitting next to a BMW. Would be nice to see if these people actually EVER use Linux...and any flavor of it.

[@saffanalvy]

Steve Jobs didn't used to use iphone. What's the problem? It's their freedom of choice.

[@ShintekBeats]

Can we use your e-mail as a template for a copypasta? If we spam their inboxes over and over they should do something 😁

[@kellingc]

Does that mean my LPI studies are worth anything? Should I swith to focusing RHEL cert?

[@reason2008]

I think LPI is a different org. One positive of the pandemic is that Red Hat will be or already is making some of their cert exams remote proctored so you can take them at home.

[@sixdroid]

@@reason2008 pand what? you believe fairies?

[@Yuriyalloween]

Here we go again, me losing faith in humanity and technology.

[@badasahog]

They should be allowed to use whatever software or operating systems they want. Isn't Linux supposed to INCREASE consumer choice?

[@trailblazingfive]

Time for FreeBSD

[@blakkheim]

they use macs too lol

[@ferociousjuggler2668]

@@blakkheim i think using a pure BSD would still be better than that shit

[@blakkheim]

@@ferociousjuggler2668 bsd is pretty awesome. just saying that many freebsd devs (and the freebsd foundation) also use macs instead of their own software. openbsd is the group that really dogfoods their own stuff.

[@trailblazingfive]

Okay they let's pump resources into GNU Hurd

[@AmirZaimMohdZaini]

Love BSD installation after wiping out Manjaro Linux entirely...

[@Magusloco]

what's the pdf editor that you use?

[@sreyanchakravarty7694]

Isn't Linus Torvalds part of The Linux Foundation?

[@notangelmario]

this long thread of enraged linux users entertains me

[@optimalcomrad]

Are there just kids in this comment section? God what happened to the clearweb?

[@nonenothingnull]

What is clear web but a pile of corporate shills

[@KTSpeedruns]

Why would the Linux Foundation use desktop Linux to make their reports? They need their OS to not crash or bug out or cause visual glitches when typing a bullet point.

[@lucperkins9843]

Bingo

[@SkyyySi]

Windows: * comes with Linux build in * Android and ChromeOS: * run on the Linux kernel * The Linux Lobbying Foundation: * uses they systems that have the very least to do with Linux *

[@ValentinoHarpa]

@@dexystorm Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) Search it up

[@uwu_senpai]

@@ValentinoHarpa It's not built in tho. You can download it but it's not on a windows install.

[@ValentinoHarpa]

@@uwu_senpai yep, it's an additional feature. Sorry for the misunderstanding

[@climatechangedoesntbargain9140]

@@uwu_senpai you can enable it in windows features

[@henrymach]

Interview someone from there and shame them on air

[@lucperkins9843]

I'm a former LF employee and would be happy to be interviewed. I guarantee you I wouldn't not be "shamed."

[@Yuriyalloween]

@@lucperkins9843 > Wouldn't not be

[@kevingary7018]

Does this mean I have to hop over to FreeBSD?

[@thijshaker6451]

Did you mean: Berkeley Unix?

[@AmirZaimMohdZaini]

FreeBSD - Easy to install but good luck setting it up after that..

[@kevingary7018]

@@thijshaker6451 see:www.freebsd.org/

[@thijshaker6451]

@@kevingary7018 I know, but i'm just joking around.

[@soulofhogwarts]

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[@luxembourger]

I noticed those people don't know and understand much about information technology, they know a lot from management in particular the information business, they just go for the money. I talked to a friendly young and obvious well paid woman from the Linux Foundation and she did not even understand what Unix was and had to do with the Linux architecture. She also had a MacBook Air, I did not see her phone.

[@skylinecyber3538]

Its an Iphone.

[@speakingfreely6770]

Or maybe they outsource the report creation to designers who use these applications? Also, lot of folks at Microsoft now using Linux. I think we need to give everyone 'freedom' to use what they want to use and focus on making Linux better. If bigger companies spend a lot of money they should have a seat at the table. That's fine. I respect the idea of open software but we also need to embrace and accept companies. Saying that companies don't care about Linux is saying that Linux doesn't care about windows! of course they don't. But if Microsoft ends up porting .NET to Linux everyone wins. We need to find win-win situations and stop this idealistic nonsense 24x7. We should focus on making Open Source software better and people *will* move. Since MS supported .NET on Linux I moved to Linux. If they didn't I would have to have windows loaded on my machine. I don't have to any more. And Microsoft did that. The least we can do is thank them for that. The *only* thing we need to be really careful about is we don't let them effect the openness of Linux. So companies like NVIDIA - if they start putting it crappy closed drivers that do magic that's a problem. If MS open sources .NET and ports it to Linux I don't see how that's a problem.

[@Sid-iu1lx]

Yes, all Tesla employees must use Telsa cars. All McDonalds employee should always eat Big Mac. /s

[@jrenkas]

Lunduke has been preaching this for years.

[@knochestolle]

@Marco Yes, he is their proud preacher of an alternative reality.

[@LeatherHubPatterns]

On one hand Linux desktop sucks so bad that you can't do any professional work on it. On the other hand expecting employees of the foundations to be forced into using cars whose chips run on Linux is very disagreeable. One could look at it as to a call for help "Help us make Linux MacOS good!".

[@chiniakowski]

So, a farming vehicle salesman should not be allowed to drive around in a regular car of a different brand, but rather be limited to driving in tractor all day long? Using a variety of tools, operating systems and hardware should definitely be prohibited. I fully agree!

[@fuseteam]

wasn't this known? the linux foundation members are people from familiar companies. those people naturally don't use linux note the companies behind adobe, autocad and quickbooks are members of the linux foundation.

[@AmirZaimMohdZaini]

They became a member but never wanted to publish Linux version of that app.

[@fuseteam]

@@AmirZaimMohdZaini rather "member of the linux foundation" doesn't equal "linux desktop supporter" the linux ecosystem is much bigger than the desktop. in fact the desktop is the smallest part of it so far

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

Its like microsoft using linux run servers when they have windows server edition

[@srgk26]

Maybe they do all the development in Linux, but do the last bit of work (like the last 0.1% of work) that has to do with presentations and reporting on the Mac? I mean Linux is king for development and productivity but Mac is still king for presentation type work.

[@thenextpoetician6328]

They get no energy from me anyway, fwiw.

[@fa-pm5dr]

im 2 minutes in, and i think the pdf file was just sourced to a graphic designer just to provide the work of making it pretty. I don't think there is enough proof to say the report was written by non linux users.

[@bobgrimes8618]

I use an iPhone because it’s supported for at least 5 years or more. Iusean Apple Watch for heart monitoring due to a heart attack 4 years ago. Otherwise, I use Linux on my computers.

[@aras1762]

I also switched to iPhone for same reason. I don’t like to bother with trying to find a custom rom every new update 😕

[@zonnodon163]

Wut?

[@pipeliner8969]

Blender Foundation for example use almost only free open source software

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

Yes, I have been hearing about how they use Macs over there for years now. Wasn't exactly surprised. It would be funny if people caught Linus using Mac (or even better, WINDOWS), but I don't think that will ever happen.

[@jeetadityachatterjee6995]

Linus has said that he only cares that the code is open. He has also talked about using a chromebook if they become viable. It's not as far fetched as you think...

[@ananon5771]

he actually uses a macbook as his main laptop (though it runs fedora and not macOS)

[@DannyMexen9]

Linus is a true Chad. The tool has to work. It's us who glamorize our wrenches. Mine is better than yours because it can yay. No mine is better than yours because it's stable, so what if my software is outdated. True Chads? Oh, this works, I'll use it. Pop OS, huh? LOL.

[@toddmartin7030]

I think Linux used to run a MacBook with Fedora on it

[@PaperBenni]

I don't think that linux foundation members not using linux on the desktop is a big deal tbh. To most people including its developers, linux is an os that you can use basically anywhere and is pretty much the default choice for anything with a computer in it. It also has that little application called xorg that allows you to plug in a monitor and mouse that they happen to not use. That doesn't mean they don't care about Linux.

[@dukeofearl8078]

I would just say .. "The right tool for the right job". My corp gig requires me to use a Mac, but I'm running about 12 Linux containers under Docker Desktop on that Mac. :)

[@joelamoako6778]

let's all email them

[@ABG610]

I love the idea of linux but for some work fields its simply suboptimal (if not verging on self sabotage) to use it instead of MacOS or windows. Design being one of them. You may be able to get by using open source alternatives if you work for yourself (and don't mind using inferior products to get your work done) but you're not getting a job in the digital creative industry without using adobe. So yeah, sometimes you gotta just make compromises and use the right tools for the job. Once adobe and some other big names make their software work natively on Linux though, I'm all in.

[@softwarelivre2389]

We need to break the vicious cycle, not become part of it.

[@frede1k]

Exactly, you can't work creatively with design in Linux. I work as a professional designer and it doesn't work and have never done so. Most Linux users pointing to gimp and inkscape are not designers but engineers.. It would be the same if i said that you could write programs and games in a plain text editor.. technically its true but in reality not so.. The community have to wake up and realize the realities, not just pretend that we live in a fantasy.

[@softwarelivre2389]

@@frede1k That's not true. Inkscape is the best tool for vector graphics design out there. It is the best to let your creativity flow. While I can agree GIMP is currently not great, the same cannot be said about Inkscape.

[@frede1k]

@@softwarelivre2389 well if you mean by letting your creativity flow to restart Inkscape every time I crashes or you install a new font then I totally agree 👍 used it alot natively on linux and it it's not build robust enough for the speed at which professionals work..

[@softwarelivre2389]

@@frede1k I use it all the time and it never crashes. Unlike Adobe and Corel that crash more than anything I've ever seen before. Affinity I heard is as good as Inkscspe when it comes to crashing, though.

[@runninginthe90s75]

As legend said. Linux is good if you don't value your work and time.

[@alexandersofianos1437]

hi @Normie. Your comment that "Linux is free if your time is worthless", is the best thing i read here!!! I am doing a personal project (hoping to make some companies interested in what i'm trying to do) at the moment: how to be productive with ubuntu as your only operating system, covering all aspects, backup and secure your work, your OS, migrate and make portable to other machines, with tools like rsync scripts, live persistence and a portable bootloader, so you don't care about grub, network with remote desktop, over ssh with X tunneling, so you don't care about screen resolution difference between different machines, how to improve font rendering in all applications and the list goes on and on, in order to be able to be productive with ubuntu, while doing most of your os managment from the terminal. It has taken me 9 months so far, and i'm not done yet!! So yeah, linux is not free. You have to spent (invest) a lot of time to learn stuff. Investments are risky, you're never sure if they'll pay off (if these will prove to be skills i can sell to somebody), but the driving force that is moving me along this road, is the wish to be able to stand above the crowd, doing things most people don't understand, never heard of! Btw, just before i started my project, i took an LF course "introduction to linux" for 100 euros. It's something that looks good in my cv, and i don't feel that it was overpriced.

[@apoorv9492]

You have my full support. I will share this video to let more people know about this.

[@Powerincarnate.]

Honestly, I think you guys need to sit back and take a deep breath and think this through. 1. How long has linux desktop have been trying to gain market share; only to be stuck in the 1-2% range perpetually. 2. Don't mistake Free and Open Source and Linux the Operating system (or the various distros). They aren't one and the same; often people tie them together, but they aren't one and the same. 3. Tin Foil hat aside; do you really think the approach where you alienate or avoid all the top software makes sit he best approach to gaining market share. I give you an example, I try to connect to my work's citrix server from home; I have a high dpi monitor...Linux's citrix server cannot maintain a 200% scaline; hell, I can't even get a consistent 150% scaling in any distro and for it to work throughout all software; something MAC and Windows does flawlessly. Another issue; I make a document full of charts and graphs on libre office; no one uses libre office otherwise so i send it to people at work...microsoft word has some incompatibilities with Libre in that the charts are misalinged, sometimes lines don't connect; in a professional environment, it renders using libre completely unacceptable. This is just two examples. 4. Brands matter in this world, whether it is computers, or clothing, shoes; you name it. Now, I build my own computer; but for many; getting a MAC, or Dell, or Surface or Lenovo matters to them. Advertising also matters; seeing adds on TV, the web, face book or whatever; that fortunately or unfortunately, sells. Convenience also matters; can I just go to Best buy and buy a Mac or Surface; Can I go to an Apple Store or even Walmart and pick it up. Is it readily available at Microcenter or Amazon. For the most part; the answer is No for linux. 5. Unless given a phone for free as perk of working there; do you think All of Apple, or Samsung or Google's employees use their own phones? No, that would be unexpected in a company so large; but then the question becomes, what about the leaders of said companies, and I think that is much more likely....However, go back to my statements on 3 and 4. Using these products; would they be able to use all available or important software on said phones or computers; and are these softwares kept up to date...this was often a problem with Windows Phone 7/8 for example as some software were missing; or their variant was rarely updated. The answer for linux is NO; which then forces you to use Free and Open Source; which is fine; but it better have seamless compatability or else you run into the problem I ran two in the 3rd statement, and it still doesn't fix or address problem 4. 6. I don't think users of Linux have ever given a great reason why NOT to use Apple. When linux users bash another OS, 95% of the time, it's aimed at Windows; meanwhile, the market share that Linux was expected to gain in the past 15 years have slowly been gained by Apple to the point where they are in the 15-19% range of marketshare. All the malware, virus prone; software update bricking systems and other stuff aimed at Windows; really never stuck with MacOS due to their OS design. So the only real issue then becomes the closed in nature of MAC OS vs the choice of Linux; but that has been far less visible than all the Anti-Windows Hate. Ultimately, Linux is still in the same place it has been for 20 years; Great for big scientific, data centers; server like environmental stuff...but it's inability to market itself, and the shunning of popular software makers render it functionally invisible in the desktop segment....and base on what I see; I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future.

[@0x007A]

1. Microsoft has a sordid history of monopolistic and illegal behaviours, yet their punishment was a mere slap on the wrist, a pinky-swear to change, and a friendly slap on the back by the USDOJ. 2. Right. The free/libre software and open source movements are very different both in philosophy and mandate. Linus Torvalds chose to licence the Linux kernel under a free/libre licence, specifically the GNU GPL v2, and has even refused to adopt the GNU GPL v3 which reduces the freedoms of end-users. 3. When I remotely connect to a computer running Microsoft Windows from another computer running a GNU/Linux distribution, FreeRDP works just fine. Documents should be distributed using the Portable Document Format (PDF), unless you are collaborating on a document prior to its final form for distribution. 4. Branding and marketing in the enterprise space is different than marketing to the general public. Oracle, RedHat, and Suse market heavily towards enterprise organizations and have made significant in-roads on servers although they all fall down when it comes to desktop usage. 5. Most organizations have adopted Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) policies to the point these organizations, with rare exceptions, no longer issue smartphones. 6. Apple Mac OS X is based on a version of FreeBSD which they (Apple) has crippled to such an extent that many people resort to using a third-party utility named Homebrew to install *nix software. However, since Apple designs and manufactures both the hardware and software for their products, the consumer knows from the outset that they will be tied to Apple and its whims. Microsoft has a very long history of anti-Linux rhetoric, all of which is well-documented on groklaw.net. Perhaps, if Microsoft had marketed Xenix to the consumer market instead of creating Microsoft Windows, the landscape today might be quite different.

[@MuztabaHasanat]

Why does it even matter? It's just a presentation!!

[@aquibshaikh8611]

why do people even use MacBooks and iPhones? I never understood.

[@aquibshaikh8611]

@Twilight Spakle Mac is better but Apple isn't.. if have also heard that they provide crappy updates which slows down their MacBooks so that people can buy their new products. Also the countless adapters required.

[@SArthur221]

Seeing as they're not affiliated with Linux, I propose we ask them to change their name.

[@ipreferdangerousfreedomove56]

Technology is a more powerful social force than the aspiration for freedom. It is not possible to make a lasting compromise between technology and freedom, because technology is by far the more powerful social force and continually encroaches on freedom through repeated compromises. The linux foundation itself is a very good example, but so few people understand this.

[@__rikaisuru]

Sorry to start a tangent, but what PDF viewer is the one shown at 2:08?

[@DistroTube]

evince

[@techmiker]

To be fair, a designer probably made the actual report and we all know that graphic folk love their Macs and their Adobe software. But I agree in principle that the head honchos at the Foundation need to make more effort to show their support by using a Linux OS in public, at the very least.

[@mattwilcoxuk]

For desktop work - which presentations and reports are - Linux is still behind in terms of UI, integration, and access to business "standard" software (because it's proprietary). This is such a bizarre argument. The bits of Linux that *are* Linux have little to do with desktops. The parts of Linux that are championed by the Linux Foundation are mostly not desktop related. There's no dissonance in them doing this. Linux needs to up its desktop game if its ever going to become competitive in places where desktop features are business critical. But in many other ways, Linux is ahead of the game.

[@mattwilcoxuk]

It really irks me to see this tribalism mindset on this channel as it undermines the genuinely helpful content, and genuine passion DT clearly has. It's easy to get worked up and want everyone to "live the lifestyle", but all that amounts to is gatekeeping and tone policing. DT does this quite a bit, and I'm not sure how aware of it he is. "Ricing" the desktop - racially insensitive, playing into Asian stereotypes which have nothing to do with a desktop. "Unix Porn" - accurate reference but obviously exclusionary language. "Proprietary garbage" - if it were garbage it wouldn't be used by the majority, and describing it as such means you're putting "free" above "functional". Free software is only "better" when it is actually better at the job its intended to do in the context its audience are in. "MS / Apple / Facebook / Google" derision: MS/Apple/FB/Google contributions to open source are huge and a good part of why open source is continuing to gain traction or stay relevant at all. Deride corporate behaviour or products for the bad stuff (there's plenty), but you can not paint the entire thing with the one brush and have a credible viewpoint. Without the funds from these companies, and code from these companies, Open Source projects would be far behind where they are now. All this language and "scene behaviour" is toxic. Linux is awesome; it doesn't need absent minded tribalism and gatekeeping behaviours to lift it up. It's just a bad look.

[@jasonblazgk9973]

@@mattwilcoxuk Fine, but why take needless offense at using terms like ricing and porn? Ricing doesn't even originate from stereotypes about asians, it comes from car hobbyists who do cheesy aesthetic and speed modifications on Japanese cars...

[@mattwilcoxuk]

I am not. It's not about me. You need to do some work my friend; ricing comes from mods on Japanese cars yes... now have a little think about why Japanese and Rice may go together here... The thing is; words don't _only_ mean what your experience of them is. They have contextual meanings outside of what you're aware. This is the same for everyone, everywhere, for all words. So - if someone tells you that the use of a word is problematic, understand that your understanding of a word is not the only one. And while your use in your contexts may well be fine and innocent; that doesn't mean that's "the real definition". So the real question is: if people are telling you some words you use are problematic, why not accept that's true and see if you can adjust your expressions - rather than fall back on being entitled to speak lazily in a form you know is offensive to some people even if it isn't to you? If you'd like a little education; Ricing is an adjective denigrating a badly customized sports compact car. Japanese ones. So.. yeah it is expressly racist in origin. Using racist language doesn't mean you're racist; it means you weren't aware of other contexts. That's fine. The way you become racist using that language is if you *know* it has racist overtones but you decide to keep using it anyway.

[@crazymonkeyVII]

@@mattwilcoxuk oh come on! If You see ricing (which is NOT a derogatory term, and translates to "making the environment look pretty") as exclusionary language then that is YOUR problem. I simply cannot see what is racist or otherwise offensive about that. And how on earth is "unix-porn" an exclusionary term? Who is being excluded, or can possibly be offended by that term? Get rid of your toe-extensions, it's too easy to step on them.

[@mattwilcoxuk]

I can't help it if you don't want to consider the origin of language, or consider other people's viewpoints to defend your own ego, or believe that simply saying a thing makes it so (it doesn't). Good luck in your future endeavours with relationships with other people - if you ever step outside of your bubble, you're going to need it.

[@tommasochiti4237]

To be honest you’re just making a deal of something that is very not influential. As an Arch Linux user, I guess we all can get down to the point where literally a few people use Linux professionally on PCs. More like nobody. Linux on PC is something for hobbyists, you won’t find anybody sitting in front of their Linux Workstation at work. Devs generally use macOS and creator use Windows.

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

Yes and no. And you might be surprised. While it’s true that most big tech companies issue MacBooks to their developers (it’s ridiculous how high-end some are!), some of these same tech companies, and also many other large institutions and corporations, have massive cubicle centers and labs with sometimes hundreds upon hundreds of Linux workstations. Many tech universities and financial firms, too. I do cybersecurity work for many of these larger institutions, and I often see people using Linux workstations in the office and MacBooks for working remotely and traveling. Although they’re aware they’re using Linux at the office, it doesn’t seem to mean much to them. It’s for work and that’s it. Ironically, desktop Linux is often used by people who have little interest in desktop Linux, whereas desktop Linux enthusiasts are indeed minuscule compared to MacBook users. I’ve met thousands of RHEL users but only one Arch user. lol. I occasionally ask what they use at home for their families, and it’s usually macOS. They associate Windows with gaming, Linux with their job, and macOS with fun. This could be a function of Apple’s marketing and walled garden as much as anything else. Awareness of desktop Linux is better than it was 20 years ago, but it rarely gets people excited.

[@kdato774]

Linux, not just the foundation, is the cueball of corporate interest. In the short run I staying away from distros released by big orgs. In the long run I'm looking to the BSDs.

[@outlierjahd7910]

So I'm more entitled to be part of linux foundation though - Artix Linux

[@VladimirIvanovBG]

Canonical is also using Macbooks with installed Ubuntu for Ubuntu development and Macboocs with Mac OS for graphic design.

[@ltxr9973]

This is sad. And funny. In the end it can only lead to them being out of touch with the end product.

[@lucperkins9843]

Linux is not a “product”

[@AncientSocrates]

Many of the developers of FreeBSD were also spotted on conferences using macOS. Meanwhile talking about how more advanced and stable their system is compared to Linux or whatever.

[@christopherfortineux6937]

lol bsd devs using Unix because bsd sucks imagine that lol

[@besnikrrustemi]

Amazing videos like always man, Thanks to you i was able to completely ditch DE and switch to a Window Manager. Sorry to write about it here, i am using Qtile WM and using your config, i run vanilla Arch but i believe there are some dependencies missing there too like fonts or something, on Arco Linux the "Arrow" widget separators are fine but on vanilla arch, they appear like a box of zero(s). Would like to see a what kind of other packages you use, File Manager, Music Player, Video Player, Image Viewer, etc. Thanks in advance !

[@CFWhitman]

This isn't exactly surprising. The Linux Foundation has always been about Linux on servers rather than on the desktop. They've always been about Linux for business, not open source ideology. The Linux Foundation is a business organization and always has been. They've never cared about the Linux desktop beyond mild interest by certain members like Red Hat, who still care more about Linux on servers.

[@cordovajose5693]

Apple created the CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) is an open printing source system used by many Linux distros.

[@christopherfortineux6937]

There’s a lot of code used by Linux that Apple created no one talks about that or the fact bsd wouldn’t exist without them

[@tandeshmukh]

Microsoft and Google probably care more about Azure and Kubernetes cloud platforms more than Linux on Windows and ChromeOS. I would assume that’s why they invest so much in Linux. Btw DT, Google makes its employees use Macbooks instead of Chromebooks. They don’t care about Linux past profit at all.

[@mdzaid5925]

I dont have problem if they have some mac computers but i definitely have problem if most of them use anything other than linux. If they dont use it then there is no way they can actually see the needs and problems faced by other users.

[@stusmith817]

If you don't like it, don't use it. No one is forcing you too. Write your own OS

[@williamgupton8770]

so is the linux certification that they give worth taken ?????

[@runninginthe90s75]

Windows users laugh to Linux and Mac users.

[@gertjanvandenbroek1620]

Just an observation but.. the creation of those documents - designwise - could've been outsourced right? I mean that's not so uncommon. Just for the record, I don't know the linux foundation, I am not defending them.

[@fischX]

I think the real issue is that DTP and office on Linux stinks. Yeah they don't care, they hang out there to get money and do what they get paid to do. They use Adobe because they learned it, of course they would probably use Scribus and libre office - but they don't just because it's a pain.

[@andrewgrant788]

MacsOS is Unix though. It’s based on BSD. Many Google and Facebook engineers use Macs btw.

[@TheAzmodeuz]

Hey DT! What's your pdf viewer?

[@debanjanbarman7212]

mine is evince

[@kennethdarlington]

Acrobat :D

[@aaronrennyvargheseOriginal]

@@kennethdarlington Really? Adobe Propreitary? Btw, I use Evince.

[@ebatalha]

You shouldn't even be able to open a PDF. The PDF format was developed by Adobe. Yeah, I don't like Adobe either but this radical mentality some people have is way worse than what you're crying for. You praise some corporations, like HP, because they also release their own hardware with Linux but you know they also release them with microcrap. It's just a matter of convenience, I see… And I also see no problem of using the most advanced UNIX based OS out there in a Foundation like the Linux one. Please don't be so square, you'll get frustrated someday. You're behaving like that microcrap guy that got angry by watching in a microcrap conference almost all the audience using Macs… Probably there's a reason why. I've been a follower of your channel, you provide great content, when you don't act like this in this kind of subject. I've been learning a lot with you, mostly Terminal stuff, stuff that I'm also able to run and do in macOS' Terminal. Guess what! 99% of what Linux does in the Terminal macOS also does. It even gets funny sometimes, where you have to install a package and that comes by default already in macOS. And let's not talk about your (Linux users, ok?) GUI softwares, they are in their majority crap, except Blender and of course, the ones ported like DaVinci Resolve, Katana, and so on. Peace