The Lion Makes CHANGES to the Dark Angels and Leads them to War - New Codex Lore for Lion El'Jonson

Let's talk about the new Codex Dark Angels lore for the Primarch of the Dark Angels and what it means for him and the chapter going forwards...
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0:00 Intro
1:17 The Established Lore
3:16 Return of The Lion
5:57 Arks of Omen
8:05 Codex Dark Angels
8:59 Luther Knew?
10:27 Commanding His Legion
12:54 The Hunt for the Fallen
14:51 Inner Circle Companions
16:07 Character Changes + Reactions to the Imperium
19:16 The Lion Battles Tyranids...
20:49 Closing Thoughts
22:25 Outro

[@aidanfedorochko3728]

“Is their nothing that hasn’t gotten worse since I slept?” Is the single most hilarious line that perfectly encaptures 40K.

[@p3z32]

oh lion - you should see their datasheets

[@Saidan79]

@@p3z32 Including his own...

[@Grimsby12341]

Snooze button a lost STC

[@StarkMaximum]

It's really good, but I feel like we're just doing the same jokes we did when Guilliman came back...

[@DominatorLegend]

"I expect nothing, and I'm still let down"

[@Backstabmacro]

I find it very amusing that the literal Mystical Knight’s reaction to actual flying mechadragons from hell is *HEAVY SIGH*

[@luanshala1433]

After that; *Bring it*

[@BaalFridge]

the Lion coming back to his chapter is like a single dad coming home from work after forced overtime only to find his kids have set fire to the house trying to make dinner themselves.

[@Cornerboy73]

😂

[@robertdotson2210]

highly specific, but true

[@ngominh259]

To his credits, the Lion does exceptionally well to be courteous enough and hide his raging contempt seeing how far the Imperium has fallen.

[@williamklaess9319]

Basically Hal from Malcolm in the Middle

[@Headhand-qd9so]

@@williamklaess9319 Comparing the lion to Hal is just hilarious.

[@catcadev]

I really liked the new Lion lore. The fact he doesn't stop the hunt for the fallen, but rather just... shows up and spirits away the worthy is very cool

[@Bluecho4]

It shifts the hunt from wholesale extermination, to a process of separating the wheat from the chaff. (Or the wheat from the _blight,_ as it were).

[@BloodBuffalo]

"You just got old" when the lion was told that. My knees felt it

[@eternalwind08]

I was laughing at that sequence. Paraphrased: Lion: I am unable to bring my full strength to bear! What new curse or malady is this?! Zabriel: Dad, you just got old.

[@combatwombat2134]

6:10 - This is why I love Dante, man. "I don't know what it is, but I'm going to go investigate, and no matter what it is - if it means the Imperium harm - I'm going to go kick its ass."

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Imagine if Mephistone was here. I want to see Lion comments about him.

[@Bluecho4]

The Lion: "Weird mask, but otherwise sounds like my kind of guy."

[@m-w-y7325]

@@BloodyArchangelus Lion will just tell Dante to loan Mephistone to him for conducting better "Interrogation" techniques for the Fallen. I mean Asmodai is no slouch but his repentance measures mostly leads to higher casualty rates and a lot of screaming.

[@Aloysius10]

@@m-w-y7325I wonder if the Lion will speak with Dante about the Imperium Secundus.

[@BrandonGiordano]

The idea of the Lion basically just diving into forest unsure of where hes even going to go but knowing hes going where hes needed is so badass

[@TheHyBriD3I6]

Yea, like the good hearted gradpa that helps strangers when he goes out on his denentia&alzhimers walks...

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

If we’re going Arthurian, he is the Green Knight now

[@Canuovea]

He goes around asking people to cut off his head with an axe? Definitely has some Warhammer Fantasy Green Knight vibes, though.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

HE IS LITERALLY GREEN KNIGHT FROM BRETONNIA.@@Canuovea

[@mudkipalpharius]

@@BloodyArchangelus he should have an axe

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Brettonian green knight.@@mudkipalpharius

[@Canuovea]

@@BloodyArchangelusWell, no, not literally, eh? In that case, he'd not be a biological-warp spawn monstrosity created by a tyrant megalomaniac, rather, he'd be an old king blessed by magic water given to him by an Elf, and he would ride around on a spectral horse. He's also definitely not the Arthurian Green Knight.

[@librarybear3419]

I like the idea that some of the Chaplains have figured out who the Companions are, but some of them accept it. The Unforgiven have spent ten millenia hunting their brothers, because they cocluded early that tyey too share the responsibility for their crimes and that they have no authority to offer forgiveness. Grave punishments for all crimes, and only the Lion can. Now, with his return, the hunt continues, so that the Fallen are delivered for him personally.

[@radred609]

The fallen who can be redeemed being brought into his honour guard does have a good mix of "you will stay where where i can see you" and "repent with your death and you will be forgiven".

[@thomasprice7893]

Yeah the DA were always open to the notion that the Fallen COULD be repentant and deserve a mercifully quick death, I don't think it's that much of a stretch for them to accept the idea that Gene Dad can grant them actual repentance and redemption.

[@dittmar104]

I love that they’re using his forest walking to justify successor chapter getting to run him

[@Bluecho4]

By extension, it would justify him showing up alongside any other loyalist Space Marines. He just appears from the trees and joins the fight alongside from Imperial Fists or White Scars. If you're the latter, and you're facing off against hordes of Orks or Tyranids, you're not exactly going to complain.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

@@Bluecho4don’t they still have rules for playing with different codex’s? Have played since 8th came out so a little behind.

[@ImrahilToChaos]

@@Bluecho4 Forestwalking only works to find Dark Angels.

[@noapteapestrada7139]

By the emperor's golden shin armor ! The new fallen models redeemed themselves so hard they automatically crossed the primaris rubicon !

[@Bluecho4]

To be fair, GW seems to be sizing up even confirmed Firstborn models, like with the Horus Heresy relaunch.

[@andrewjohnson5365]

Word.

[@floriannarratio8062]

Really awesome that they continue his outlook from Son of the Forest. He shows nuance toward the Fallen and seeks to protect, not rule.

[@vancemurphy9470]

Lion was super violently angry about not being there to protect the Emperor, so mad I fact, he wanted a fight to the death with Leman Russ. So after driving the traitors into the Eye of Terror he returned to Caliban very short of temper and ready to fight anything that looked at him wrong. Que the attack and only Luther's inner circle knew the truth, but Caliban fired on him and he went full exterminus on everyone. He got a time out slept on it and has come back older and wiser ( I would say the equivalent of 50) and is now ready to play nice with the other kids admitting there was alot if mistakes and such on both side especially him.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

Unlike the Lion , I don’t have a receding hairline !!!! ( 50)

[@HorusHeresy1982]

I find it funny that the Lion's return and actions are playing out exactly like Angels of Darkness novel described him 2008.

[@ArchmageOfAnarchy]

So basically, The Lion is a Planeswalker now.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

I get that reference… Maybe he’s hunting some professor Onyx!!

[@mariaceciliamoreiramartine5989]

I mean he could be a Black and White one, would be cool.

[@deadmeme8011]

@@mariaceciliamoreiramartine5989 Lion feels like the mean version of Selesnya, to me. Green and white, that is.

[@ivomuniz]

@@deadmeme8011Definitely Abzan. He even fits that slice of color pie philosophy

[@M1903Enjoyer]

Although there is history and room for confrontation with Guilliman, when the Lion first Guilliman was alive, he thought, "I am not alone." Which, shows some humanity but also they may not be as adverse to one another as we are led to believe, especially with the state of the galaxy currently.

[@nicholasradityaputrawisesa3593]

I mean considering that most of his brothers are either dead, gone, or become traitor (and turned into warpspawn abomination) and also most things that he is familiar with are either gone or extremely changed in the past 10,000 years, having a brother that is still around, alive, loyal, and familiar with is probably a huge relief.

[@M1903Enjoyer]

@@nicholasradityaputrawisesa3593 exactly, I think people who think or want this angst between them is kind of sad. They all acknowledged the Emperor as their father and each other as brothers.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Do now I wonder if this sets the stage for mor "renegade, not heretic" astartes elements.

[@RSBurgener]

Loyalty is more important than strict obedience, especially when a Primarch is saying that the government itself is illegitimate

[@TheMortemGaming]

Finally someone who breaks down the lore well, I love that I can pause and read if I need and I get the story beats, well done Auspex👍🏻

[@DukensteinA1]

When they brought out the novel, Lion was 😊 then the codex came out and Lion was😎

[@r.j.macready]

I don't think it's ambiguous, his sword Fealty was from the warp forest Caliban. The only question is if he created it himself or the Emporer did.

[@matthewconner7800]

The already secretly unified nature of the Unforgiven certainly works in the Lion’s favor when it comes to simply treating the chapters as 30k style companies in his Legion, and he absolutely is in command of them as a legion.

[@ridetoruin]

I wonder if Cypher will hand over the sword

[@sawyeratkinson]

I doubt zahriel/corswain/hoguin/omegon will hand anything back

[@Bluecho4]

Unlikely, unless GW intend to give him a new model, that excludes the sword.

[@firestarr5812]

Sweet. This all makes sense, without changing the status quo too much and alienating people who have been playing Dark Angels a long time. And we get awesome new models out of it? Amazing time to be a Dark Angels player. I hope they go somewhere interesting with the Wyrmwood and Luther storylines!

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Thanks for the concise summary old chap. Nice work as ever.

[@boomer03n27]

Great work, as always. I do enjoy your breakdown on lore.

[@namuesmeralda155]

I worry that as more and more Primarchs inevitably return, they will feel more or less like glorified Chapter Masters and not much more. Lion is already failing to make as big of a splash in 40k narrative as Guilliman has, and this will only get more and more apparent as other Primarchs return. Primarchs are ancient, mythical demi-gods of immense power and charisma. They each commanded armies of space marines during the height of humanity. Every time one of them returns, it should completely change the status quo of the 40k universe. And I can't see GW writers ever pulling something like that off in a satisfying or convincing way. For example, will Corax's return feel so special when there are like 6 other loyalist Primarchs already running around? Will his return meaningfully the status quo of the universe? Probably not. Hence, not feeling like a demigod, but just a glorified chapter master...

[@DetroitTyler]

Dude just woke up as an elderly man from a long nap, give him some time to change the setting. As mighty as these Primarchs are revered and their repuatations precede them remember they are only 1 man, and 1/3 of a thousand point army on their own. Reorganizing his chapter and supporting his successor's is what a good leader would do. He knows he's nothing without his legion, and by changing some protocols he might actually be circumventing Guilliman's 1000 Marine rule. His Chapter plus all the redeemed Fallen. So expect the Dark Angels to make a splash play.

[@Cakesadamant]

I feel you, but I also feel like the majority of each primarch's power lied in their legions. If we keep getting primarchs but continue the current codex compliant chapter system then yeah, the primarchs might as well be glofied chapter masters since it defeats the purpose of them being around in the first place. That being said... 40k with primarchs and legions might as well be 30k but .. grim? 😂

[@thundercrash4775]

In some ways yes, in other ways, I think no. It's probably really going to depend on the Primarch in question. Guilliman having a massive impact on the Imperium makes a lot of sense, because logistics, managing vast resources and running an empire is quite literally his thing. He was exceptionally well-known, the Ultramarines and their successors are exceptionally well-known. I would expect a similar impact if Dorn were to return. He was well known as the Praetorian, THE defender of Terra. Guilliman and Dorn would have a large splash on the Imperium, because their reputations and Legion successors are pretty deeply involved with the Imperium. The Lion? He's just not. Never has been, probably never will be. His impact is far more going to be felt by the Imperium's enemies, because he can literally just appear out of nowhere, mess up your day, and then be gone just as fast. I think the Lion's greatest impact on the Imperium is going to be how *inconvenient* he is for the Imperium. In a lot of ways, Guilliman plays into how the "modern" Imperium expects him to be. He has to, in order to do what he does best. That is NOT going to be the case with El'Johnson. He does so when it serves his purposes, but when that is not the case, push comes to shove it's not going to be the Lion who blinks first. Plus, the Lion has only appeared in essentially a book and a half. Guilliman's had, what, 10 books to himself? I could be wrong, but I think the current timeline hasn't even caught up to the Lion. So he literally hasn't had a chance to have a major impact on the narrative. In a somewhat tangent, it's also just kind of a problem with 40K as a narrative setting. At its core, 40K is a big picture stalemate. NOBODY is allowed to win, NOTHING can ultimately change. That's not a setting that is conducive to big narrative splashes. Yeah, Guilliman had a huge impact, and they had to literally rewrite the lore in order to pull it off (look up the FIRST 13th Black Crusade from I think around 2006 to understand that).

[@ShadyOakMinistries]

I think we're seeing a very consistent narrative paralleling their contributions to the Heresy. If Imperium Secundus is being rebuilt with Guilliman, Lion, and Dante, the rest have very important roles to play. Corax led the scattered legions cutting off supplies to the traitors and single handedly prevented the creation of daemon engines until the very end of the Siege of Terra. Corax can pick up fighting where he's needed as the elite of the elite against Vashtorr and the bugs. Russ led the charge against Horus, so Russ can be the challenge to Abaddon that Terra needs like Ragnar was to Ghazz. Vulkan and Khan used the webway to reach Terra at its greatest time of need. Perhaps their return will be an answer to the bugs or chaos getting too close to the home world like the War of the Beast. There's lots of options to counterbalance the return of the Silent King and similar Primarch level threats everyone but the Imperium has at their disposal.

[@supershot9729]

​@@DetroitTyler "change the setting" smh lmao you haven't been around here long have you?

[@MrAllgoodnamesaregon]

Hopeing to see him meet Cypher.

[@seanmcgrath2049]

I love lore videos like this! As someone who doesn't really play the game any more but still enjoys the lore and modeling aspects of the hobby I sometimes feel guilty that most of the time I just put on your videos in the background as my offering to Algo, the great KZbin Chaos god. I hadn't heard this information anywhere else, though, and having the new Dark Angels lore distilled in this format is a great help. Cheers!

[@mattwilliams811]

Really enjoyed this, makes him sound like the bad ass he surely is! Thought the novel was great as well, very much looking forward to the sequel!

[@Cornerboy73]

Thanks for the great video, I enjoyed it. I find that I very much like the new Lion; he still has his basic character traits that always seemed to make him pop off the page whenever he showed up in a novel but whether it's age or pragmatism, he's stopping to think for an instant before reacting and the results of this consideration have been very impactful to his story. For example, the Son of the Forest book could have been a bloody revenge story but by hearing out his lost sons for a moment and stepping back to view the bigger picture, Lion instead managed to round up a small strike force of his sons and did some good while establishing his protectorate. From his codex, I get the feeling that he's employing the same approach; he's not rocking the boat too much; rather, he's observing his current-era sons, getting their measure, consulting with them to learn what he needs to know of this new era and planning his next moves. It's as if he's taking a triage approach to many conflict zones and stepping in wherever he is needed most while letting Azrael, (who he seems to favor as he let him keep his old helmet) conduct the broader operations of the chapter. I would say Azrael is akin to Corswain when he was Seneschal to the Lion. Lion is still The Boss, but Azrael runs the day-to-day under the authority of his sire. I'm keen to see where they go from here; as a DA fan, it's just so cool to see the story finally moving forward !

[@paulkerr7320]

I think you have misunderstood them, The Primarch is all to a chapter. If The Lion says that some are forgiven then thats it. All of the chapters ethos and beliefs would ride with that, Luther has told them that only The Lion can forgive them. He has come and some he has forgiven and his word is law to the Legion, not the Chapter, the Legion.

[@WearyWizard]

No meeting between the lion and gullimun . Aaahhhh!

[@bertvsrob]

they make it up as they go along these days

[@patgray5402]

40k is becoming a superhero universe where a few named characters run around and use their super powers to progress the story forward, while everyone else is just a background civilian.

[@supershot9729]

Even the super soldiers got more superer! I'm with you op

[@BloodyArchangelus]

You must be young

[@-Benedict]

Becoming? It always has been. From day one.

[@thisguyducky]

Pulls out gun. Always has been.

[@patgray5402]

20 years ago 40k was a sandbox setting to make your own stories. It didn't really change until the past 8ish years. @@-Benedict

[@potatoereach]

Kinda wish they kept the whole Son of the forest vibe

[@Jatischar]

Not sure, maybe they did? We dont have any new Novella after all. Codex Entrys are always a little ambigious

[@Entity404Found]

This lore kind of flops compared to the book, im just considering this an unpaid intern's attempt at fanfiction that just slipped quality control and will be fixed later.

[@samhunter1205]

Personally I don't play much since 10th came out so the lore videos are appreciated.

[@shadowdragon243]

the new DA book about Lazarus is eagerly awaited, but seems to have been delayed for quite a while.

[@erih2934]

Its out tomorrow as far as I understand.

[@caidbarn2063]

I was just wanting a recap of his new lore

[@stephenjdutton]

I can picture The Lion and Guilliman meeting and then neither saying anything as they just stare at one another in silence until some event interrupts them.

[@richardgrant2630]

Wait! There's lore for these minis???

[@sirflapfla97]

Im so glad the da are becoming truly knights again

[@wikiwing348]

I might start a dark angels army

[@GreatChickenGod]

from what i understand, he's even had some of the fallen go through the rubicon (probably to prove themselves) which explains how some of the Companions have MK 10 armor

[@sagacity1071]

Or becuase the suits told the design team to sell more primaris.

[@erih2934]

I bet you won't hear about primaris and crossing the Rubicon from 11th edition on. Even now its going to be just an odd side note. Even Belial's transition isn't mentioned in the codex, just in a WH community article. I'm sure GW wants to move on from that lore.

[@williampounds5191]

@@erih2934There really was no reason for them to do what they did with Primaris. Cawl could've invented a bunch of new weapons and had a bunch of new chapters commissioned, Roboute came up with some new doctrines in the codex astartes. The change in scale doesn't need to be explained elsewise at all. New scale models and a new artstyle because thats what happens over 40 fucking years of anything, especially on the model side when we're talking about improved technology.

[@SeanCrosser]

Rubicon is a lot less risky than the initial 61.6% back before Calgar did it. Basically just a standardised procedure nowadays.

[@erih2934]

@@williampounds5191 Yep, agreed. There is such an unending mess with the Primaris-BS that GW is now doing their best to now act as it never happened. It was horribly done lore, with a utterly boring looking mini range that cluttered the production resources so that neither do we SM-players get proper chapter models anymore, nor Xenos player anything on time.

[@H_elios]

The lion 😮

[@ryanhall6043]

I wonder what the lion and sephon high chaplain conversations are like. As sephon is one of the very few level-headed intergator chaplains

[@sirbobulous]

I'm only here for the lore updates :D

[@recon2491]

I want to see the Lion meeting with Cypher, i think is after that both are going to meet the emperor... 🤔

[@sarico7827]

I do like that he is just no stops fighting. Not listening to anyones crap don't got time for that saving humanity. Also he has reunited lost sons not every fallen but still that's awesome.

[@sarico7827]

I feel like it's a grim dark thing realizing he can't save very lost son and just how bad it's gotten that even the ones he can save will never truly be with there brothers again.

[@johnnyscifi]

Luther didnt know it was a secret. Thats why he kept saying he'd only answer to the Lion

[@WeOnlyEatSoup]

Love me some new lore

[@ReaverLordTonus]

I had a feeling with the Lion returned, the hunt for the Fallen would still go on, but I like the idea of the Lion being the one to confront them and those found to have never been corrupted he'd bring into the ranks of the Redeemed.

[@flamingmuffin666]

Guilliman broke Lion's Hexagrammaton, the system which made the DA switch specializations within the battle seamlessly. Roboute meddled in what was not his own. The Lion was the Emperor's Exterminator, his arbiter, a role which exists outside the nominal system, to do what is needed when it is needed, when you cannot wait for how the system would handle it. Guilliman is the Emperor's Governor, his societal systems builder, a role to perfect the nominal systems of the Imperium. This was the Emperor's plan, one to create a system to align doing what is wanted with what is needed. And one to do what is needed when what is wanted isn't in alignment. Guilliman committed heresy in systematizing that which was supposed to be outside his purview by the Emperor's design. And while Lion and Roboute may be more lenient with each other's actions (Lion will probably set up a new Legion system), its the Imperium which may react to cause a civil war which neither primarch wants.

[@BrandonGiordano]

Theres some interesting opportunities for potential lore and stories with new rifts forming in the Dark Angels. The obvious plot line is what if Asmodai or someone like him isnt happy with the new direction of the Dark Angels and becomes corrupted, would be a great irony

[@Meuduso1]

There is still much to be written for the Dark Angels in terms of lore that revolves around the Primarch but from the PoV of the Chapter. I personally would love it if Azrael had a proper fanboy moment lmao

[@jonharrison9222]

The higher-ups in the DA DID know Luther was being held in a cell. Sapphon certainly did.

[@rav-7072]

Wonder what Cypher gonna do now...

[@theTemplar08]

What is the lions take on cipher?

[@hidefreek6905]

Lion realises his mistake as too hot-head. And he knew he also the one who did grave mistake during the destruction of his homeworld. If he investigated throughly, instead on massive orbital bombardment. The situation migth be a little scratches rather suffer massive casulties.

[@hombrejavajr.5964]

Lmao, the Hive Tyrant just cannot get a break, can it?

[@troublemaker9899]

Its alright. We have more of them back on the ship(s).

[@Darksky1001able]

You ever get the feeling that these deaths are gonna come back to royally bite everyone in the ass?

[@niccolomiglio6996]

At least it's not another Avatar of Khaine ahahahhahah

[@erih2934]

At least its a primarch and not just the oldest guy in the Imperium nor random commander dude who happens to wear (blue) plot armor...

[@niccolomiglio6996]

@@erih2934 as subtle as him, I see

[@son_of_the_heavymetal1142]

Poor Hivelord, he got already owned by the Lion

[@davydatwood3158]

I kind of feel like GW is slowly working on redeeming the Imperium as a whole, changing it from something that is unending horror into an actual functioning society, and the current state of the Lion's lore seems to fit my hypothesis. As for the bit with Luther not "giving up" that Lion was still alive: my guess is that he *did* and his interrogators didn't believe him. And if the torture was being at all effective, Luther would have stopped insisting on that detail very quickly if they didn't want to hear it. Because it is *very* well known that torture isn't very good at finding out what the victim actually *knows*, it's just good at finding out what the victim thinks the torturer wants to hear.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

Going to take another 40k years to fix that monster!!

[@judsonbox9845]

Thank god. A society trying to function and being forced to make these horrific decisions like exterminating planets or child soldiers is way more interesting than a seemingly totally incompetent and randomly evil one that just never falls.

[@Mirkomir_Blobszczonowicz]

Well this could be another chaoter in the fluff, that all Prymarchs are going back and reveal themself :D

[@Aszod96]

So i wonder what Cyphers purpose is now?

[@Maxislithium]

I'll bet GW will put out a fallen unit or character in the Chaos SMs Codex drops this summer.

[@BenjaminHolbrook-tz6pw]

Cypher is CSM right?

[@Savar_Darsa]

That is some great World of Warcraft lore

[@Dargonarock]

What happens to the vanished prisoners I bet is the innocent ones he walks them into the magical ghost forest and out to another planet somewhere- since the forest takes him to places his lost sons are he sends the loyal fallen, now turned risen, to go spread the word to their lost brothers that he's back and we're getting it together.

[@slevinlaine]

LETS FOCKING GOOOOO!!!!

[@sbeaber]

"...half fell to chaos" not half! Not even half were on the planet.

[@ryantw4943]

Everyone always says “half his legion” turned, but even given the improved training rate Luther et al had established, there couldn’t have been more than 10k untested DA’s on the planet! The Dark angels took some casualties in the heresy, but relatively few compared to the other loyalists and they were a large legion already… so realistically saying 10% fell to Luther’s bullcrap is probs a little optimistic!

[@Tarktheorc]

I like how so many people assume there'd be conflict with Roboute like he wouldn't immediately let the lion do whatever the hell he wanted purely to take the burden off himself. Life is suffering for girlyboatman right now.

[@s0t5iranger69]

I support what the Lion is doing. Finally, someone is standing up against the government that is the Empire of Man

[@stormycatmink]

I get the impression they wouldn't change the hunt for the fallen because of the number of players who really dig the twisted grim dark evilness of such a thing, and don't want to alienate them by making the Dark Angels now a less ethically questionable chapter.

[@peterallen5575]

It would be hilarious if Gulliman made El'Jonson head of the Inquisition. Just imagine it.

[@xwing2417]

The whole Imperium would shape up just hearing his name in town.

[@watcheur62]

Is there any new successor chapter in the new DA codex ?

[@CMTechnica]

No

[@romainrondeau4242]

My qyestion now is WHAT ABOUT CYPHER!? Hell he was the maybe traitor maybe not, guy was carrying the sword that was supposed to ressurect the lion if given to him and now what? He has to choose a side and the sword is useless...

[@TheHyBriD3I6]

To be honest, leting the hunt for the fallen keep going makes sence. This type of thing is not his strong suit to figure our, meanwhile the fallen run and hide like rats, many are old , many have went through to very bad stuff maybe suffering ireversable damage that can afect theyer mind and some even fallen to chaos or to rebelion. When he can judge the character of a fallen him self or a redeamed can vouce for them sure, maybe that how the redeamed got so big so fast, they can go and seek theyer fallen personal friends and judge them if they are salvageable or if they are unrecogniseable. Most of the times tho, the best corse of action is to just scrap the fallen , harvest the gean , make new dark angels under Lions guide it self.

[@epicureanmaster]

Hold up, you mean his shield has the same abilities as the tree sentinel's great shield from elden ring? Crossover confirmed?

[@RevanR]

Good things he didn't integrate Primaris Stormcast for -Legion I- Dark Angel chapter

[@koolunit]

Pope Shafthat! It is the great priest of the Man Emperor of Mankind!😂

[@winterwolfcr7]

The Lion: Son of the Forest is the reason The Lion became my second favorite Primarch. Really good book and I hope we get a sequel soon.

[@gamingborger]

not sure guilliman and lion will get along any better in the M42 than during the great crusade and horus heresy. it is funny to know that basically none of the primarchs like what the imperium has become

[@glubgawd7393]

Some Cypher info would of been nice from GW

[@hotcauldron7918]

Asmodai is goin to be Nemiel 2.0

[@KingInBlack69]

One can only hope.

[@supremercommonder]

Was it white dwarf lion vs tyranids

[@MrOhtrueeee]

If he was in this warp forest why did he age? i thought time moves differently in the warp, basically to a stand still?

[@judsonbox9845]

If it can move slower why can’t it move faster?

[@joshuapinkley8562]

The loyalty people show to GW no matter how bad they screw us just boggles my mind...

[@tarn1135]

First I thank you for bringing thus all together, but the second part is could you add just a tiny of excitement or something to your droning on and on and on flying through the info with the most uninspired plain voice?

[@MrNavvy69]

He isn't going to be leading anyone into anything with his new sheet

[@knownofear1]

They will never make the Fallen their own list for one reason: They're all firstborn.

[@browniechann88blackie55]

Three only 1st born in the galaxy that's not in trazyns museum

[@sturm9087]

Oh look new Horus Heresy lore.

[@fionnmcaleer4830]

What does he think of Guillimans shady plan with the primaris creation when in the past he suspected Guilliman of planning on leaving the imperium and going independant. Seems to me like Guilliman had a rebellion in mind but was put into a coma, when he awoke and there was no emporer or brothers to rebel against he just lead the imperium

[@N0TYALC]

If Guilliman was planning to rebel against the Imperium, he wouldn’t have taken his entire fleet to Terra (the most dangerous place in the galaxy by far), while leaving Ultramar undefended. The siege of Terra was the absolute perfect opportunity for him to secede if that’s what he wanted, since every available imperial military asset was too busy fighting Horus to travel across the galaxy to crush uprisings. Dumb theory, friend.

[@fionnmcaleer4830]

@@N0TYALC Its not a theory. Pretty sure other primarchs suspected Guilliman of planning to leave, especially the Lion. Also for you to say that is actually dumb, chaos winning the heresy probably wouldnt be good for Guilliman either.

[@friendlyspacedragon7250]

Guilliman has the Emperor's sword. Lion has the Emperor's shield. What will the next primarch borrow from the Emperor now his gear are already in use. His codpiece?

[@scrubgrunt5105]

The Emperor's Claw?

[@DJCallidus]

Dorn should return and replace his lost hand with the Emperors bolter. 💥💥💥💀

[@supershot9729]

I mean they can always make something up like they did with the shield loool

[@friendlyspacedragon7250]

@@scrubgrunt5105 ​ @DJCallidus Those sound pretty nice options I forgot. Though the thought of Dorn wearing this golden piece while fortifying or Russ running around whacking people with it is pretty funny.

[@grahaldmills5930]

The Emperor's left sock, for Russ

[@Gorbz]

Plot armour is right. One primarch and a handful of marines against the never-ending swarm? Sure he is powerful, but Tyranids attack planet wide, and last I checked a single person is an awful lot smaller than a planet. Heck, he should have trouble defending a single town on his own. But what do I know, eh? The laws of the universe bend around the gravitational mass that is the GW writing team.

[@PhuzzPhactor]

Bump

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

I'm sooooooo glad GW finally got rid of all of Gav Thorpe's dead end Fallen wankery with the Lion's return and the Risen.

[@JasonEnos]

Its a real shame the codex had the cool fight with the tyranids, but the rules in that same codex nerf him to unplayability and he wouldn't last one round against them now.

[@Cornerboy73]

Agreed, I'm still furious about his nerf !

[@TacticalMetalhead]

The Lion: *based* Robooty Girlyman: *cringe*

[@verbalpressure]

The Lion awakes and goes soft on the Fallen. A woke Primarch for the times.

[@alexanderabramov2719]

But how could the Companions have carved up the Screamer-Killer if they have AP-1 (and are monopose)?

[@CMTechnica]

They’re not monopose if they have multiple poses

[@HyperK7]

I'm still upset that they decided to make his awakening a "he shows up millions of lightyears from where he's been canonically for millenia" instead we could've had a very interesting moment of the Lion waking up, shocking the entire Chapter, probably cussing out quite a few people in his own way, and then going on to do whatever it is he wants to do while silently reforming his Legion to do his job. Also Caliban being remade just feels wrong. Hunt still makes sense for his character, and being in the shadows is kinda his thing sometimes, but come on it's the Lord of the First. I don't get the same feel I did from the Heresy era with him anymore and that makes me rather sad.

[@echomande4395]

"Why are you wearing my brother's death mask?" Now that's a question for Dante to receive. I wonder if the lore might evolve to see Lion El'Jonson reforming the legion, not as a singular organization but as a bunch of cooperating chapters, each with their own base etc but also coordinating very closely, to the point of crosstraining and seconding troops to each others' task forces. Though I suppose you can already paint an army with squads in different chapters' liveries.

[@moochkin]

It would be interesting if he brings back the hexagramaton as well, giving us some nice forbidden weapons. Like those plasma flamers from HH

[@CMTechnica]

You must really be new to Dark Angels lore, or new in general. The Unforgiven *are* a legion, with just enough autonomy between chapters to keep the High Lords from breathing down their necks. If a Chapter has too few numbers, others will donate to inflate the wounded one until it stabilizes, or they’ll just keep them. They even sent Company Masters to a few successors when their own company commands were lost and there weren’t qualified candidates for promotion. Every time the Fallen gather en masse, it’s not one chapter of the Unforgiven hunting them. It’s several. The Massacre at Darkmor saw companies from 6 Unforgiven chapters. Idolatros (where the Lion returned) saw 3/4 of the Unforgiven’s ranks unite. Now, not all 18 chapters were present, only 3/4, but that’s still a significantly large force of marines. There’s your joint ops bub