THE LION'S RETURN TO TERRA! WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM GUILLIMAN

[@Epsilvonic]

I agree that the Lion certainly would prioritize defending Imperium Nihilus over making a long trip to Terra like Gulliman did, but I can’t help but imagine him sending a lone ship out to Terra with the Lion not onboard, and once it lands and it’s bay doors open, a group of Watchers in the Dark make their way down the ramp with the Lion behind them. Just cheating and Forest Walking all the way from Nihilus to Terra, taking even the Custodes off guard with his unannounced arrival. Seems like a very Lion move

[@colinford9015]

I would think the only thing stopping him from forest walking right into the throne room if he wanted to, would be the Emperor himself. But who knows just where those passages lead or how far they go. And what of Cypher…

[@adamlouis3725]

he can walk through the warp now, there is nothing stopping him. infact its probably the reason he has that ability now

[@theconspiracyguy6993]

Wow what a baller move. That's badass

[@ShadowGhost0117]

Guilliman remembering when the Lion arrived on Macragge back during the Heresy: “God damn it Lion. Must you always show off whenever you make an entrance?” Lion: “Yes, cause it proves that I have more style than you”.

[@David-li4uw]

Lion: “Yes, because you consistently must be put in your place.”

[@joshw9277]

if the the high lords were unnerved by guillimans return their gone be terrified by the lions return

[@kapitankapital6580]

Maybe not so much, since the Lion can probably be placated by giving him some crusade to fight. Guilliman is trouble because he has major political ambitions, which threatens to position of the High Lords within the Imperium.

[@DocWolph]

@@kapitankapital6580 Those Political aspirations/ambitions of Guilliman's have more to do with fixing what is broken. This would however take power from the High Lords. Guilliman does not seek power for its own sake when he would rather go home to Ultramar and maintain his very enviable fiefdom.

[@sawyeratkinson]

They are gonna take one look at their codex and laugh all the way to the bank Look how they massacred my boy :(

[@supremercommonder]

The lion a bit different now more merciful

[@gawkthimm6030]

its not the same High Lords, guilliman purged some of his opponents on the council

[@m4r00123]

"This is getting out of hand! Now there's two of them!" is likely to be high lords' reaction to Lion arriving on Terra

[@gawkthimm6030]

its not the same High Lords, guilliman purged some of his opponents on the council.

[@Ghostwolf82]

Only in this case, it’s not a master and an apprentice, meaning one is not going to be easier to deal with than the other.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

The more Primarchs return to the Imperium, the greater the hope for its return to its literal golden age... But it also mean the end of the current power dynamic as well. Something the High Lords and the Inquisition would want to avoid AT ALL COSTS... even to the detriment and literal death of the Imperium.

[@dean_l33]

@@gawkthimm6030 Remember even after the initial purge many highlords still held grudge and just out right quits which was a part Guiliboat plan to finally install loyal and competent people

[@CidVeldoril]

Inquisition: "Hello, we are the inquisition..." Lion: "Asmodai! Make them repent!"

[@ReaperofValhalla]

Inquisitor: Hello we are representatives of the Inquisition… Lion: What is the Inquisition? 5 minutes of reading later… Lion: Asmodai! New Objective. Purification and Reformation of all Inquisitional Assets. Every guardsmen, every scribe, every representative, and every single damn lunatic that dares to claim to speak on my father’s behalf will slain or captured. Make. Them. Repent!

[@exurgemars]

lmfao

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Balial: You know Asmodai thinks "Make them repent" means "Murder them violently"...

[@ReaperofValhalla]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Lion: _Good_

[@marcialrodriguez6285]

REPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@akumaking1]

“Hello brother. How have you been?” “I’ve heard rumors you’ve been meddling with the Eldar.” “Dad has negotiated with the Eldar before” “Good point”

[@jhonatancock2302]

"Have you seen their xeno milk jugs ?" "Word"

[@MWH12085]

The thing is The Lion doesn't really care. He basically deferres to The Emperor's opion on a given Xeno species

[@raftguy1376]

G-man: Also, who are these tiny xenos jawas with you? Lion: touché

[@joshuabirdsall8440]

​@@raftguy1376 there mini asmodias now repent

[@marty2129]

and mind you, those were some rather long, deep and hard negotiations...

[@TheSoijohn]

"Let us do what we are doing since childhood, Guilliman. You keep to your books, and I will hunt beasts."

[@RichardStrong86]

I like to think the Lion wouldn't misunderstand Guilliman in the way you think he would. Guilliman wasn't some nerdy librarian. He was a phenomenal strategist and was instrumental in winning the wars that would result in him unifying Macragge. By the time the Emperor arrived he had rebuilt the planet and put into place the beginnings of his own interstellar empire.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

@@RichardStrong86guilliman was a nepobaby, lets not forget this fact,.

[@theconspiracyguy6993]

​@@KossolaxtheForeswornso is all the primarchs. A moot point there.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

@@theconspiracyguy6993 are you this fucking ignorant of the lore

[@maffa2849]

"You keep on your Excel" That's Robbie's superpower. The Superhuman COO/CFO Imperium Ltd desperately needed.

[@marty2129]

How will it go? Robute: "My brother is still alive... I have... I have looked for so long. I am so sorry... about everything... I am so sorry..." Lion: "The mere fact that you have brought hope to this rotting carcass of an empire is an achievement of a lifetime. You do not need to shoulder that burden alone anymore, brother. You have done so much..."

[@LARGO125]

This is far to wholesome for the setting. They may internally think it, but the realities of the world of 40k would force them to inevitably spiral into conflict.

[@OMartinez91]

​@@LARGO125the Lion is socially awkward, but he has had character development, so there's a good chance he will speak his mind

[@GloomGaiGar]

Funny thing is RG did find Lion albeit he was hidden and asleep. It was when RG met the Dark Angels iirc

[@thomass.586]

I never understood the reprimand Gman earned from everyone, including the Emperor, for Imperium Secundus. I don't believe it was ever his wish to "play Emperor". As things were standing at the time - no communication with or way to reach Terra, this was just Guilliman doing what he does best, enacting a sensible contingency plan, planning for every eventuality. This was simply due diligence. Also in crowning Sanguinius as Emperor and not himself proves his good intentions.

[@MasterIceyy]

Guilliman literally tried his best to have as little involvement with the operation of Imperium Secundus as he physically could, he offered all the official positions to his brothers, and even wanted to give up his claim to Ultramar if it meant the Imperium surviving, anyone who blames him or uses it as some way to cast doubt on him is just silly imo, he was 100% correct in what he did

[@thomass.586]

And to be honest, the way things are run in Ultramar it would have been a better Imperium.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Also, Lionel approved the formation the IS. He might disagree on who should run it initially but he definitely agreed that it was necessary.

[@mitchjames9350]

He would have made a better emperor as being emperor requires micromanaging the imperium and he is the best at doing that.

[@SMG_Games]

Agree completely. Gman gets a bad rap

[@rosscasey3352]

if the lion goes out and finds his lost brothers I couldn't think of a more epic sequence of events.

[@stevenI613]

The Lion will be given the task Gulliman could not do as he was needed to organise the Imperium. He will be tasked to fins his lost brothers and gather them.

[@idontlikerome2744]

Like the Emperor himself did some many years ago

[@Irishman1861]

I see lion just walking in through some random door via Forrest walking and be like sup guys

[@Belenor]

Just randomly entering the Dark Angels cafeteria to stand in line for chow xD

[@Irishman1861]

@@Belenor he randomly walks into Bobby G’s room and plays guess who

[@feuersturmfeuersturm2481]

@@Irishman1861 Walking into Guilliman's room unannounced might be awkward if he happens to be "negotiating" with a certain knife-eared lady.

[@killinspecialist1965]

@@feuersturmfeuersturm2481 Guilliman - "Brother its not what it seems we were conducting diplomacy and discussing the future of our two races" The Lion- "Riiiiight so that's what they're calling it these days, I always knew you had a thing for Eldar Roboute and a pretty one you picked, ill be in the command room waiting for you to finish."

[@gwyn5144]

I hate how painfully slow anything about the lion has been. And difficult to keep up with. Like I want to see what he thinks and dos with his chapter he reunited with. I want to see him with the emperor and how he reacts. But once again mabye next year or the year after. It's just so slow.

[@GloomGaiGar]

welcome to 40k

[@ericknunez8069]

And tbh things have been faster than usual

[@ivorbrae]

Guilliman: My Brother! You appear unlooked for beyond my wildest hopes! Lion: You know, Robute, I forget the last time I was reunited with you and not found you setting up yourself at the head of an empire!

[@richamaru5217]

Im just waiting for the lion and gulliman reunion

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Robute, fighting urge to hug Lion now that he has a useful ally: "Brother!" Lion, fighting urge to strangle Robute after doing the ONE THING he told him _not_ to do: "Brother!" Robute, suddenly realizing violence is imminent: "...Brother?" Lion, suddenly realizing it's just them. Hugs: "...Brother."

[@PeteofHartainia]

Having the Lion publicly yell at Guilliman would be interesting. That's something Gman might accept from his brother, but no one else.

[@lawrencebray9623]

I love how before Lion woke up. His test for the Emperor. Where he fought daemons i beleive by a lake i think. And he had the emperors Shield. He was training with it. As soon as he woke up he faught his brother Angron and split Angron into two

[@phillipjmead]

El’Johnson will probably make a comment about government creation etc, then say glad it was Bobby G. He is the best at that. Though he still may kick him in the shin for breaking the legions.

[@freekeefox]

Seeing as how Guilliman is on the crusade, wouldn't that mean it's more likely that Guilliman meets El'Jonson before El'Jonson makes it back to Terra? I feel like Roboute might try to have a conversation with the other Primarch before he gets to Terra, just to be prudent. That's the kind of the Guilliman would do.

[@kccustodes2618]

Dangit man! You got me with title, I thought the details of The Lion's return to Terra were in the Codex and you had it! The Lion: Son of the Forest totally blew me away and redirected my warhammer lore focus from the Heresy to current developments. Before I was semi interested in the stagnant current setting, and it felt that even when they pushed narratives forward they just stagnated (Octarius for example). So I preferred to keep my focus on the past where stories were great and developed. But the return of The Lion blew me away. The Lion is SOOOO relatable now, likeable even. It is making me nervous there is not a peep about upcoming Lion novels.... I agree with you, I think The Lion will stay in Imperium Nihilus for a bit and even with all the DA interactions I want to see more Dante and Lion interactions. I would to see them work together closely, maybe even The Lion sharing his deep feelings over Sanguinius with Dante. And dangit, am I the only one that wishes at least once in Lion: Son of the Forest when the Lion talked about his sons he would have put a hand on the shoulder or even a pat on the shoulder and hug to his sons at the end of the interaction on the Blood Angel flagship.

[@plasmahdtv]

He did put a hand on their shoulders and much more in arks of omen Lion. Baldermort did a 3 hour read through of the campaign book. Give it a listen.

[@kccustodes2618]

@@plasmahdtv will do!

[@animemanXLK]

I wonder if all the returned Primarch's will have reuinions with their father. Guilliman's gave us a glimpse of whats become of the Emperor after becoming almost dead but being forced to hold the Imperial webway shut for the last 10,000 years. Seems to me in a sense he's already met the Emperor or part of him at least and we know the Lion will be just as disgusted if not more so as Guilliman at the state of Terra.

[@CidVeldoril]

I would love Magnus to be redeemed and meet with Big E. Would never happen though as that would lead to Magnus sitting his ass upon the throne and Big E getting to reincarnate.

[@maxstr]

I hope Big E doesn't act so insane as he did with Guilliman by just yelling random words. I'm assuming that speaking to Guilliman was the very first time Big E has spoken directly to any mortal, so it took a hell of an effort to collect his vast power into something singular, self-aware and coherent. But now that Big E has become active again, the conversation with the Lion should be a lot more productive.

[@animemanXLK]

@@maxstr I think there's one or two instances. Not sure if their actually cannon anymore.

[@maxstr]

@@animemanXLK The only one I'm aware of is when the Sisters of Battle had to be convinced they were following a heretic and not the real Emperor, so a Custodes took them directly into the throne room. They came back and killed the false guy, so whatever happened it worked. Unfortunately, nothing else is said about it, so we don't know if they actually spoke to the Emperor or if they simply saw the blinding light of his glory and were convinced.

[@animemanXLK]

@@maxstr Yeah there's another from like second edition I think were he allows an inquisitor to see him and says something about the hardships of what's required to rule a galaxy spanning empire. Like I said I'm pretty sure it's no longer cannon since I don't think the idea of the Emperor permanantly wired into the golden throne as a living corpse was quite established yet. Even in third my understanding was it mostly a lifesupport system for him and then later on read the more modern stuff that being in the throne is just neverending torture and requires full concernatration every second of every day no respite ever and I'm like fuck...

[@jacobwilbers9852]

I see it as a strange reversal of roles decided by big e he is now the emperors shield, and papa smurf is the sword. The lion won't want to face big e because he feels he is a failure.

[@chardeemacdennis357]

THIS

[@jacobwilbers9852]

@chardeemacdennis357 he will stay in nihilus. If he brings his redeemed sons back, they will have the ordo hereticus and the minotaurs up the ass just for starters.

[@evanf.4801]

@@jacobwilbers9852 the wider imperium doesnt know about the fallen, not even the inquisition knows. the dark angels themselves have kept it so under lock and key that theye even killed inquisitors to keep their secret. they are the first legion, the sons of the emperors firstborn son, and given this they still have unbelievable priveleges that other chapters simply do not enjoy.

[@jacobwilbers9852]

@@evanf.4801 some of them know they just don't do anything you really think cypher goes around all over the place and they don't know? They just don't say anything also the lions redeemed ancient sons show up some rocking obviously chaos marine horns and stuff on the armor. The fallen might be a well kept secret but kinda hard to keep his forgiven sons a secret.

[@werty4895]

For those who read son of the forest and roboute's return will know they feel incredibly lonely as primarchs. Their meeting will emotional, Lion will censure him for breaking the legions but I think they'll agree on one thing, the ecclesiarchy must be removed from power. They both were sick at hearing about emperor worship. Will be fun to see for once how the inquisition feels when they're being hunted

[@Kaiserboo1871]

No, they won’t get rid of the ecclesiarchy it’s too entrenched, and honestly the ecclesiarchy is the only thing holding the imperium together. Although I can see them curbing some of their influence and power.

[@werty4895]

@@Kaiserboo1871 I don't think they can get rid of the inquisition either but I do think they can reduce their influence to the point where they aren't in command anymore and ordering secret assassinations of space Marines or loyal soldiers who irk them

[@TDBoedy]

As was stated in the Genefather, Guilliman is crossing the Rift in a year. When he gets there it will be the next iteration of the Dawn of Fire series and towards the end of that they will meet, then go back to Terra together.

[@John-jc3ty]

it frustrates me that lion or anyone else might think that guilliman wants to play emperor. the G is just tired of everyone's shit and just wants shit to be over. he takes control because he has to, but he doesnt like it and he would do it if he didnt have to. in fact, i bet he would be way more relieved if someone else had the responsibility instead of him his personaility is just "omg just lets end this. and these ppl are so useless, let me take their position and do it myself so we can end this shit"

[@brooklynkeith2877]

We need a epic reunion with lord Guilliman and Lord El Johnson

[@evilatredes]

Yeah, I cant wait to see what the Lion does when he get there. Its going to be awesome!

[@neanderthal-]

The Lion and Guilleman will meet, do what brothers do, argue, fight, laugh, hug and then they will form a plan. Guilliman will be the administrator and ruler, and The Lion will be the frontline general. I'm sure GW, as a business, will find at least two more Loyalist Primarchs to come back to the setting. They need to have a equal good vs. evil fight(4vs4). I'm, 100% sure Leman Russ will return, but I'm not sure about the last loyal Primarch to return.

[@Allhailthesith]

Vulkan

[@neanderthal-]

@@Allhailthesithwould be a good choice. Would like to see that miniature! Also Vulkan is very likeable in some aspects. Ie. Sellable for GW

[@Zarozh]

Would love if the Khan returned, from the webway since he IS alive :P

[@neanderthal-]

@@Zarozh It's all about having four different style Primarchs. While the Kahn sounds awesome, the White Scars are to much an overlap of Dark Angels-Ravenwing and Space Wolves. so those aspects are covered (yes, I 100% think Leman Russ will return). It's all about GW catering to a wide array of customers as possible.

[@Zarozh]

@@neanderthal- Leman russ and the Khan or Corvus as a covert behind the lines/sabotage. In that way Corax fits alot better being in the Warp with Gulliman handling the logistics and Lion leading from the front with support from his "now" older and wiser brother Russ, together grinding down the traitors.

[@breadpirateoverhere]

What a time to be a fan, I never thought they'd do so much new stuff.

[@Cosmic_idea]

What would be funny is when the Lion get to talk with the Emperor directly on Terra, he would talk in normal full sentences and be heartwarming and grateful. "Oh finally Lion, its you. I am so happy to see you. That tool Guilliman was just here. Dont you just hate that guy. I just gave him the run around so thankfully he left rather quickly"

[@lawrencebray9623]

When Lion gets to Terra Cypher will show up and give him his sword and walk with him to see BigE.

[@kapitankapital6580]

To be honest, I'd like to see a primarch return who isn't a goody two shoes acting all shocked about what the Imperium became (as if wasn't an entirely predictable outcome of the regime they fought for during the Great Crusade). I dunno who that would be; it feels like most of the true pragmatists sided with Chaos. Maybe Leman Russ? Jaghatai Khan?

[@PhilipAlexanderHassialis]

My sentiments exactly. Not only that, but these two guys could bring much more pathos to the setting. Jaghatai, the man who always wanted just to roam the open steppes yet he abandoned everything to be true son to his father and Leman, the guy who uses the "brute viking" facade to hide his wits and intelligence. Both of them sentimental, both of them humane (and human!), both of them truly aware of what the Warp could do, even before the seeds of Heresy took place. They could bring a great balance between the "pragmatist" but cold, calculating "bookworm" that Gulliman really is at heart. Instead we get the guy who pretends to be chivalrous whilst hiding the inhuman mistrusting animal he truly is deep inside. All the great stories that could be told, now forever gone.

[@ryansauchuk7290]

*a distant sound echoing from the warp towards Terra* Neeeeeerrrrrrddddd!!!

[@markrtoffeeman]

Going back to how Oculus Imperia has reported the outlook and motivations of the 1st Legion under the Lion, I think they'll prioritise duty above all else and will be focused on rebuilding themselves and the various successor chapters. They'll not return to Terra until duty is done. Gulliman will need to seek them out. I think.

[@David-li4uw]

“Brother, by the throne, you’re back! It’s more than I could have hoped!” “You listen to me you pompous twit! Play emperor if you like but the first is MINE. You can take your codex and jam up your arse!” “That old thing? I threw that in the bin the second I awoke.” “Oh. Well, in that case, it’s good to see you, brother.”

[@rebvamp13]

I so could see the pirmarchs fighting the religion parts as they all come back

[@hohjoshua1649]

lion when he arrives at terra: ey yo i just took a nap wtf is this???!!!1 guilliman smoking an ultra cigar: first time?

[@tomdolan9761]

If Vulcan is a perpetual it seems likely he is the next Primarch to reappear

[@MasterIceyy]

1. Vulkan. 2. Corax. 3. The Khan. That's my list of most likely to least likely to be the next to return.

[@PhilipAlexanderHassialis]

@@MasterIceyy Vulkan would be an interesting option since his empathy with base humanity is his core aspect and most admirable trait as big papa E himself openly said. Although truth be told I would much rather have Leman return. Or, in a shocking twist of actually smart narrative, have Omegon get his true inner circle and declare for the Emperor, leaving the rest of his legion to follow whatever they see fit. After all, Omegon (along with Alpharius) was made privy to the broader fate of the galaxy after the meeting with the Cabal - and probably is the only one who could communicate with Emperor about this, as undoubtedly papa E should be aware of the Cabal's existence. Comeon GW, shake the setting a bit, make it a bit more cosmic!

[@MasterIceyy]

@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis I say Vulkan just because he was there when Imperium secundus was happening but sadly was killed off by Konrad. GW have brought back 2/4 primarchs who were in Imperium Secundus and they obviously can't bring back Sanguinius as much as I'd love them too, so Vulkan is a great fit

[@Evarakeus]

I think his meeting with Guilliman will be a nigh-on rerun of his meeting with Zabriel; initially hostile, maybe, but he'll bite his tongue and listen to Gman and no doubt come to an understanding, even if he doesn't agree with everything he's been up to

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

"Guilliman." "Lion!" "GUILLIMAAAN!!!" "Oh Sugar Honey Ice Tea!!"

[@joeford5181]

The Lion: Brother, I am not alone. Guilliman: I know brother. I know.... The Lion: Look, I'm here to do what has to be done. Guiliman: Sure. Sure . Sure. Whatever The Lion: Robute. Why do you have a lot of luggages??? Guiliman: Dad. Your eldest is here. You can tell him what to do. I'm taking a damn vacation to The Webway. Chow Terra!!!

[@haveaknifeday]

I’m looking forward to seeing the Khan and the Wolf return. Especially the interaction between the wolf and Lion.

[@Ghostwolf82]

A question that needs asking is weather or not The Lion and Guilliman meet before or after The Lion’s return to Terra. If before, then Guilliman might very well give his brother a heads up about what he’d find there, which would lessen the surprise and give him more time to prepare himself.

[@TheTruthNEGFTW]

*the door of El'Johnson's ship opens* The Lion - "Behold Brother! I too have acquired a big tiddy eldar GF!" *Guilliman smiles*

[@LeeFreedom]

It would be funny if Lion just forest walk into the throne room instead of waiting for all the ceremony and such

[@haroldalbright6242]

I think it will depend on the circumstance of the return, will there be time for diplomacy or will it be amist a battle

[@dragonknight951]

I imagine that the high lords would just become increasingly mortified with each newly returned Primarch. And then Russ shows up(potentially with the Lion should that one theory prove true), takes one look, much longer than is comfortable, at the literal library full of their crimes against the Emperor's vision for the Imperium and how each book full of mistakes, sins, and blatant corruption is treated like something to be proud of instead of ashamed of, and just lets out a growl/sigh before straight fucking decapitating each one of them without a second glance and starts walking past. Likely to the mild annoyance of both Gulliman(couldn't he have waited until Gulliman could render them obsolete first?) and the Lion(Couldn't he have saved at least one for him?)

[@gwilym1991]

I think brutally the Lion would prioritise meeting Guilliman over the Emperor. A) It's the main strategic option as Guilliman is Lord Regent and B) The Lion says in son's of the forest basically that no one sees the galaxy like a Primarch other than another Primarch.

[@e21big]

It's probably not going to be any time soon, but if the Lion went to Terra, I would love him to stay and take up his old mantle of Lord Protector of the Secundus. Leave the rest of the Angels to defend Nihilus, just like Gulliman left Ultramar to Calgar. It would have allowed Azrael to be in control of the Chapter again and also allow some hubris without making the Lion look stupid, but also get the Lion to take part in the major event of the story.

[@garypipe1770]

We get an awful lot of Imperium vs Chaos. I would like to see Lion facing off against a massive waaagh who are smashing apart his protected systems

[@rogerbrownreacts8528]

A 3rd Primarch will meet The Blue bot and Johnson first.

[@tomb7704]

I think the Lion would be more pressed to return to Terra if it wasn't for Gulliman being there, out of all his brothers he does understand Reboutes skill in running things and can depend on him to keep things in order.

[@gaijin8014]

I think the Lion will hate it, but maybe understand it after meeting with the Emp or his brother. I honestly can't wait for Russ return he's going to make it known loudly that he thinks the current imperium is complete shit house.

[@SimpleAsura]

The lion is one of the few characters that can’t complain to what has happened to humanity. Because he’s the only one that’s taking a 10,000 year nap.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

Coma is a bit different to a nap.

[@AndyAshworth-h6w]

All the primarchs had their own lodgings in the imperial palace- mini palace any way?

[@BrotherValtus-yeeter_of_stone]

I always wonder which primarch is ganna hate the current imperium the most

[@TrippyCustodian]

A very insightful commentary, as always

[@TexanIthorian]

I would say the reason the primarchs are so attracted to Earth, besides it being the seat of the empire, Is because it's arguably the only thing you can really say the emperor loves.

[@huntergallatin6758]

I don't think he would mind Big Robby G playing emperor because, he absolutely isn't playing he NEEDS TO BE a palace within the palace? Absolutely necessary he needs to remain there to maintain control of the high lords. Older lion seems absolutely practical and much less hot headed. With dad gone someone needs to rule, Lion doesn't want to and will understand Guilliam doesn't actually want to either he wants to go home to the ultrimar segmentum and take a breather.

[@TheKlink]

1:14 Imperium Nihilus: Hey! Fuq You! We bleeding out here and you do us like this?

[@neongenesis7236]

I think he would more be shocked by Lorgan Fanfics. Lion: what is this?! Look at book. Guiliman: look who is the author. Lion:😵‍💫

[@manty5]

I don't think the Lion will hide his "dismay" nearly as well. I think he''ll string up some Inquisitors, and blame Guilliman for playing along with the perversion of the Imperial Truth. This will be the start of a rift between the brothers.

[@LM-xw7ii]

Now they need Leman Russ to join Guilliman and for Jagatai to rejoin Johnson. Russ is the fiercest warrior of all the Primarchs, and Khan is the Primarch best suited - other than Guilliman - to running and expanding an empire.

[@GRBoi1993]

WLR, we need a Leman Ruff update!

[@sawyeratkinson]

Be careful what you ask for...they've butchered the DA on TT...the bastards

[@hayseshouhda5730]

Do you have to re-read the same passages again and again. The first time does it for most readers I would think...

[@iamcaesar6741]

hello ... you dopnt need a ship to travel to the throne world. You just Forest Walk on the surface of Terra and then make a pilgrimage to the Golden Throne.

[@kurayamaking6425]

Man, every time i look at the man of imperium I can just imagine the returned Primarchs smoking the universe longest cigarettes

[@stefankatsarov5806]

Hey LEC chek your facts. Inspired was in EG at MSI 2022 and they went 1:1 which means that he did lose to Faker.

[@matthewlamont3112]

Guilliman might be able to mitigate Lion's feelings on the palace by saying that it's not his, it's the Regent's. That he'd rather be in his own quarters like in the old days, then offer to step down for him to be Regent. Lion'd say no and be less aggroed by it with Guilliman also having a moan about how public it is.

[@saltyshackles5227]

I want to see The Lion vs Fulgrim.

[@ChaosActual1]

Personally, I think the Lion is going to take it better than Gulliman. He definitely won't like it, but he's never struck me as an optimist, and Gulliman was definitely an optimist.

[@Ultramar565]

I know the lion has mellowed in some way but he is still the lion I don't see him searching for his long lost brothers I just don't see it .

[@MayhemIncarnate]

I'm hoping the lion gets angry and scrubs terra clean of that "The emperor is a god" crap that has been going on.

[@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx]

I mean the Emperor basically is a god now.

[@timothylyons5686]

The high lords will cry havoc and let slip the inquisition. They are probably the only group that could deal with the Dark Angels. After all they have use of Ork snipers

[@gawkthimm6030]

its not the same High Lords, guilliman purged some of his opponents on the council

[@carlosfreitas1722]

He will just try to get directives directly from his father

[@Casanovadracula]

If Lion doesn’t see that Bootyman is the best choice for a new emperor we highly overestimate his intelligence. If there is any chance for Imperium to go back to Big E’s dream it’s in Bootyman. I don’t even like the guy and I see that lol

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

Its like when belasarius came back to rome.

[@vladline1882]

What's the lion reaction seeing the Primaris in his sons?

[@tauras3108]

The lion will arrive under the cover of night with a hood up.

[@MattisLegend]

I think the two will come to blows

[@johnnieschatz693]

I hope that when The Lion encounters girlyman he kicks his arse!!

[@diehorribly9333]

Can you put together a read on the progressive events post Cadia? Lore is all over the place if you're not on top of it.

[@REDRAGON12345]

The Emperor protects, brothers.

[@av6728]

am i having a stroke or did part of this repeat itself?

[@typerez8132]

So are guilliman and the lion going to split the imperium like the romans did

[@emirhaneksioglu4503]

The way Lion's returned persona is, I figure he'll be like "I am gathering up my legion, I am going to dish out some lessons to our enemies, you keep everything together." to Guilliman. Contrary to common belief I don't think they'll be fighting, will definitely argue about the splitting of the legions tho. I expect a "how dare you" or two in that meeting.

[@joshw9277]

@@emirhaneksioglu4503 exactly, its basically gonna be guilliman running the political/logistics side and the lion running the military aspect if im correct

[@Scott.webb64]

Nope. The Lion has no desire to rule. That much was made perfectly clear. The Lion is a warrior, a hunter. Sitting around a palace ruling is an abysmal fate for one such as him. He also knows he is far more impactful out in the galaxy, curb stomping the enemies of mankind.

[@JcBravo8]

Guilliam appointed Dante as ruler of Nihlus. Lion is likely to be his Belisarius, leading campaigns against the enemies of mankind.

[@stephengerena8848]

The Lion currently has no appetite for ruling. His priority right now is redeeming the fallen and kicking ass in Imperium Nihilus.

[@willy.b.b3427]

Is the arks of omen still the most recent addidtion to his narrative?

[@gawkthimm6030]

y

[@xtravagentk1275]

What’s with the repeated dialogue. 4:00 and 6:50 are the same.

[@sjewitt22]

How do you spell mycinius from 5.25?

[@Gunnberg85]

The Lion: "Hellooooo, dear brother. What have you got there?" Gulliman: "Nothing! Nothing! You only see air." The Lion: "Don't be silly. I love you very much!" *Crash!!!* The Lion: "Whoops! I guess I shouldn't touch." :3

[@TheBrules2]

Why doesn’t he just forest walk there?

[@Irishmonster13]

who yall think is next primarch to return 🤔 I think going to be russ or dorn

[@thejammyproject]

The Khan, just because the last hunt for their primarch allegedly started.

[@Irishmonster13]

@thejammyproject totally possible and would be a good fit I feel like they bring back all the tactical or strategically aligned primarchs but I put russ because I play space wolves so just hopes lol

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

@@thejammyproject I Think not, he and Guilliman have one thing in Common COMMON FCKING SENSE something is the only possible OP that the Imperium have

[@vslv5006]

@@thejammyprojectI wish is the khan. He needs some love from GW

[@obi0914]

Oh he's going to be pissed

[@doubledigital_]

cant he just forrest walk to tera when ever he wants :D... high lords are going to shit the bed LOL

[@jasonthomas9596]

I'll be honest with you all. Lionel El Johnson would be mad as hell over this shit. He would not be happy at all about the state of Terra.

[@jasonthomas9596]

I personally think that the lion would be very angry at what he might see. And Gilman would have to be there to keep him from putting a bolter round through a few people.

[@lacrosix]

foresst walk EVERYWHERE!!!

[@ArcadiusDA]

Some of it won't be as shocking to Lion. He's going to have a lot of time to understand the new Imperium before he arrives. He's already had time to deal with the religious aspect as we saw in the Son of the Forest novel. I also think getting to Terra will be more hopeful than Bobby's trip was. Lion knows Bobby is there. Bobby thought he was alone. So regardless of Terra's state the Lion has more to look forward to. I do want to see the next novel cover his return though. Even just the Rock or Invincible Reason popping out over Terra and Bobby's reaction to it. See if Lion pulls the same like dramatic formations before he did on Macragg. Could be all sorts of fun and seeing if the modern Angels/Ultras pick up on the tensions.

[@morg4544]

where is the lion

[@adamlouis3725]

on the other side of the warp storm to gulliman

[@kedronox]

1.25x speed

[@maxstr]

Your hunch is likely correct, because GW is going to milk this dry with another dozen books. Books that are mostly 90% filler and 10% moving the plot forward. The entire Seige of Terra series has been 99% junk filler material

[@marcustrajan4873]

The Lion can eat a bag of d's if he rankles at Guilliman's position. G'man is just following his wyrd as the heir to the Emperor's throne. Perhaps the Lion should follow his, which is as the Commander of the Emperor's Armies.

[@dww6]

The info wars types of 40k universe would be making videos about how its impossible 2 primarcs have returned 😂