CATO SICARIUS VS SEVERUS AGEMMAN! A RIVALRY OF CAPTAINS

Hey everyone Rho here! Today we kick off our week dedicated to talking about the Ultramarines Chapter, with the rivalry for it's leadership... the war of wills between Cato Sicarius and Severus Agemman.
Spoiler Warning to begin as the events we're discussing today are from the short story "Veil of Darkness" by author Nick Kyme. As always I really recommend you read the stories for yourself first without spoilers! As that's the best way to enjoy the lore for yourself!
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[@Kat1kafka]

Titus out of nowhere body slams them both Titus:I WILL BE DADDY'S FAVORITE

[@bernardabang4107]

Hear! Hear! I wish they would involve him directly within Gulliman's inner circle in some capacity. He deserves that much.

[@AdeptKing]

I feel like Sicarius and Titus would either get along or hate each other like this.

[@pedromartinezcalzada6328]

@@AdeptKinghim and Ventris tho…

[@AdeptKing]

@@pedromartinezcalzada6328 I thought that was just a given?

[@bernardabang4107]

@@AdeptKing they would be bros. Titus is a man of action like him

[@viewernewest]

Uriel Ventras has entered the chat.

[@secondarytrollaccount666]

You think sicarious would have survived the daemonculaba and the other events of that book? He was lost in the warp but Uriel really went through it as bad as I've seen a space marine suffer.

[@alastor8091]

Titus: thats cute, battle brothers. I have a game to finish.

[@lepszykomentator3757]

Maleum Caedo: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

[@alastor8091]

@@lepszykomentator3757 if Caedo was in Space Marine 2 the invasion would be like 45 minutes long.

[@lepszykomentator3757]

@@alastor8091 if he was on Vengeful Spirit, Heresy would last 45 minutes long.

[@bloodjunky9214]

Now we just need Cato to end an argument with “Well Dad loves me more”

[@andrewwelham8633]

The future of the Ultramarines lies with Uriel Ventris. Cato is a glory hound, Ventris has the flexibility that is needed.

[@AdeptKing]

I don't know if Sicarius is a glory hound anymore after what happened to him in the Warp.

[@memosanchez8916]

Nah The future lies with greatest of them all captain Titus

[@Vihara2]

​@@AdeptKingHe is emotionally compromised by his desire for revenge, he's not leadership material until he gets his shit together

[@7ElevenTruther]

Uriel definitely has the sheer variety of experience for the role. He's worked with the deathwatch. He's been disgraced by the chapter and sent to his death in the eye of terror only to successfully accomplish his oath and redeem himself. I could definitely see big daddy gman promoting him as the new chapter master should calgar ever finally die.

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

He needs to make a book appearance.

[@tigeriussvarne177]

Courage and Honour!

[@alvinacosta9945]

YES HOLY BATTLE BROTHER COURAGE AND HONOUR!!!!

[@mad_man_savage452]

Is that a gladiator reference I see ?

[@Kill3rballoon]

Agemman is how the Ultramarines view themselves: quietly competent, adherents of the codex, a little boring but undeniably effective, whilst Sicarius is how other chapters view the Ultramarines; haughty, arrogant but with a clear skill and nobility despite the overconfidence.

[@MrKakemann1]

Plot twist: Cato's lineage is from one of the missing legions...

[@probablythedm1669]

Meanwhile Malum Caedo just stands somewhere on an army of dead enemies, reading the codex... meanacingly.

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

Caedo is an NCO through and through

[@masterrace921]

Theoretical: both marines have achievements make them both ideal candidates for leadership Practical: Cato has wayyyu more drip though

[@rendurai]

Pratical: Calgar will never die

[@antonioj700]

Rho i think being the captain of the ventrix guard is more then enough for Cato.

[@AdeptKing]

I wonder if Sicarius even wants to be Chapter Master anymore. On that note I'm kind of curious to see Titus get introduced into this lot. I almost feel like Sicarius would get along with him.

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

Why? Titus isn't egotistical like he is

[@crondog]

I, Cato Sicarius, know that I, the most esteemed Cato Sicarius, am the only choice for chapter master. In fact, that old man Calgar should hurry up and die already so that I, Cato Sicarius, can take my rightful place as eternal chapter master Cato Sicarius of the Ultramarines.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Titus is a Dante of ultramarines. He is just papa Smurf reborn. I am ready to die on this hill.

[@Eddieo9999]

I, Cato Sicarius will surely be victorious in this endeavor because I, Cato Sicarius am the most ESTEEMED Cato Sicarius!

[@robertwiacek271]

ah, I see you are a person of culture as well.

[@itilin]

I, Cato Sicarius was looking for such comments and I, Cato Sicarius than you, Cato Sicarius for this I, Cato Sicarius comment

[@robertwiacek271]

whenever I hear "Cato Sicarius", I wish there was a voice saying 'Asmodai, make him repent'...

[@lopezmarlon]

Mood-Kindred

[@theroadstopshere]

The comparison between Sicarius and the attitudes of the old Luna Wolves was not one I'd considered before, and it actually makes a lot click into place for me as to why I've always felt uneasy with the prominence and influence of Sicarius in the chapter. Not that I've ever thought he'd fall to Chaos (at least not without twists of fate and Machiavellian scheming that would make even Tzeentch blush) but that his aggressive and, let's face it, arrogant nature has always reminded me more of a son of Horus from back before the fall than a son of the XIIIth. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing-- the Luna Wolves were rightly respected as among the pre-eminent warfighters of the old Legions, and they were loyal to a fault until the systemic corruption of the Lodges and the schemes of Erebus took advantage of their ignorance to corrupt them. That kind of thing would never work on Cato or the modern chapters who've borne witness to the horrors of Chaos and their ability to corrupt through seemingly innocent avenues. Especially since the Ultramarines were always less susceptible to the appeals of the Lodges and the lure of personal glory. But I've always seen one of the strengths of Guilliman and his sons as being able to temper the arrogance that comes with their superhuman nature with recognition of their failings and the recognition that there is always more that can be done to improve. Sicarius might reflect on these things internally, but has always been less willing than almost any other son of Guilliman to let that show, which always rubbed me the wrong way. Pointing out the parallels between the arrogant cockiness of the Luna Wolves and the arrogant confidence (there is a difference in my mind) of Sicarius helped me fully get that. Thinking of him as a bold gladiator or swordsman in the Roman Empire of Ultramar to the pit fighters and brawlers of the Luna Wolves makes a lotta sense. I think Guilliman made the right call pulling him out of the line of succession like he did-- Sicarius could absolutely be a chapter master on par with Calgar or even better given time and mentorship to temper his steel, but there wasn't anyone in Ultramar (other than maybe Calgar) who could've taken that role, and being by the side of his Primarch will give him that and take some of the internal tension out of the chain of command there. Will be very curious to see how this plays out in future arcs of the story, there's a lot to be said for the stories of Space Marines having very human conflicts and personal problems.

[@patrickbateman69420]

If they ever kill Calgar off I'm done 😭

[@M1903Enjoyer]

I like the end of the Sicarius omnibus, of the news of Sicarius' return from the Warp. The "happiness" Agemon has when he shares the news with Calgar.

[@ordohereticus5530]

I doubt Cato and Severus are still rivals. Cato's time in the warp really messed with him. His fire has be snuffed out. Guilliman himself notices this.

[@andrewbrown8893]

Severus was named Tetrarch of Konor, Cato made a bodyguard for a primarch. We know primarchs don’t need bodyguards. So we know who guilliman respects, and who needs to be managed away from command.

[@outis7080]

The Victrix Guard isn't a true protection unit. Ever practical, Guilliman uses the Victrix Guard as a leadership course for promising Astartes. Not to mention Cato reminds him of Thiel; self-assured, if a bit cocky and has a preference for unconventional doctrines with little regard for general dogma. Bobby G places him in his personal guard to smooth out his rough edges.

[@pedropierre9594]

In 40k, a place alongside the 10k year absentees seems the biggest honor to me

[@timothylyons5686]

When Calgar does finally turn up his toes Agemman will become the next chapter master however l think he will fall quickly as he is too ridged in his doctrine and Sicarius will become his successor.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

"I will do more than walk" is not arrogance. It's confidence and military bearing. As a military man, I would have said the same.

[@patrickbateman69420]

Cute

[@jonharrison9222]

One can easily imagine what the squaddies said behind your back, too.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@jonharrison9222 I can see you were never fit for military service, because in the military we weren't sissies that had to say things behind each other's backs. You wouldn't do well there.

[@zachcruse4112]

Love your videos as always Lord Rho Also I love these Ultramarine vids especially about my boy Cato Sicarius.

[@nicholasperfitt5803]

Take a shoot when Cato says his name. This is one of my favourite auto dramas and this is dream state where he dreams of the Necrons attacking the chapter monastery

[@zachcruse4112]

I absolutely love Cato Sicarius might be an unpopular opinion but I hope guilliman chooses Cpt Sicarius to be chapter master if Calgar falls

[@bernardabang4107]

Its going to be al ong time cos Calgar himself is sooo badass, i dont see them killing or maiming him anytime soon. They stepped around it by having Cato serve his Primach for now.

[@frankrochefort8265]

He will offer him a new chapter : the ultra ultramarines

[@AdeptKing]

If they ever kill Calgar off anyway.

[@bernardabang4107]

@@AdeptKing This too. They will likely main him and intern him in a Titan in two to three years time to push the narrative. For now he is too much of a player all fans like to push him aside.

[@rm06c]

*Malum Caedo has entered the chat*

[@lepszykomentator3757]

Severus is my man. Few Marines got shell shock, even less get on with it. A hero is not a hero because he rises, but because he rises AFTER THE FALL. Courage and honour!

[@itilin]

Is it only I, Cato Sicarius hear Severus' name as Againman?

[@johnd2058]

OMFUG SPACE HULK WAS WHAT GOT ME INTO 40K

[@Dadecorban]

Agg-eh-man

[@azizyahaya2174]

Uriel is still my favourite

[@user-su6dw2dr6p]

Uriel ventris all the way baby ❤

[@similaritiesendhere]

Every time I hear about an Ultramarine not behaving like an Ultramarine I think about how the legion ballooned is size at the same time the 2nd and 11th legions got "erased". This would also explain why they're so adaptable and why some of their chapters are so different.

[@SICdrunk]

I, Cato Sicarius, the moat esteemed Cato Sicarius, am the only rightful heir to our Chapter Master. Because, I, Cato Sicarius, am more skilled than any other. Because, I, Cato Sicaius, am the best!

[@helios0074]

Have hated Sicarius since the short story where Ventris is exiled from the Ultramarines. He's a good warrior, sure, but Guilliman should have kicked his ass upon resurrection.

[@davidmiddleton7958]

I wouldn't count Agemman, during a boarding action on a space hulk, Agemman and some of the 1st Company terminators teleported in to head off an ambush of the 2nd Company!

[@rhysmaketa4187]

It would be cool if Sicarius really had Luna Wolves gene seed 🤯

[@antonioj700]

Nah Not possible with The Ultramarines.

[@Boon2Dock]

Two angry blueberries smushing together.

[@charlesdanaa8514]

Cato.....you've been reckless? **sigh** Not agaimman.

[@Lordbaronvontexx]

We float for Macragge!!!!

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

A subtle "jibe", or a subtle "jab"?

[@Lomhow]

Calgar crying in the corner because no one understands him 😭😭😭😭

[@joeford5181]

There is Kai from The Risen.... Who had the same TTS Cato vibes So I Cato Sicarious vs I Kai The Risen

[@pyotrbagration2438]

Cato Sicarius is a meme, so my vote goes for him.

[@mykelengieza7057]

ALGORITHM

[@fluffmma9076]

Top 10🎉🎉

[@Fushicho724]

Uriel ventris for chapter master

[@memosanchez8916]

I never was a big fan of Cato I hope Titus gets his own novel and a third space marine game I can see him becoming the chapter master of the ultramarines

[@AdeptKing]

Amusingly I think the two might get along.

[@phantomwraith1984]

Age Man

[@bobbyrabii6119]

Uriel Ventris is the man

[@ImperatorSomnium]

IT IS I ....

[@emirhaneksioglu4503]

Cato got nothing on Titus.

[@saeyabor]

I thought Sicarius was dead.

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

You just gonna act like Uriel Ventris doesn't exist?

[@richardvaldes3959]

Severius based giga Chad

[@TKUltra971]

These two jerks would have been a comedy skit during the Great Crusade era of the 13th legion.

[@zaberfang]

They aren't?

[@satanicmoose]

again man?

[@zaberfang]

I can hear that whiney TTS voice of his.

[@FlamesofJagger]

Im on the sude of Guilliman, the codex is guidelines, not a holy tome

[@crippletime]

Algorithm comment

[@JackFury316]

🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡

[@Helljumper012]

I've never liked sicarius. every book I've read that features the blue fop presents a character with more plot armour than the entirety of the taniths first and only IG regiment!

[@papafoundry5537]

Whenever I see the name Cato Sicarius the TTS voice echoes in my head

[@bowserbrowser6559]

Gotta love how the ultramarines are such boring little author's pets that to make them interesting they need to have traits of other chapters..such a terrible poster legion for 40k lol

[@davethedestroyer9727]

I, Cato Sicarius will surely be victorious in this endeavor because I, Cato Sicarius am the most ESTEEMED Cato Sicarius!

[@nielsmichiels1939]

For *I* Cato Sicarius am the best swordsman in the entire chapter, *NAY* the entire *EMPERIUM.*